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Turkish press: US canceled the decision to call two warships into the Black Sea

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The network is discussing the situation with the delay in the passage of two US Navy warships through the Bosphorus. We are talking about the ships that were sent to the Black Sea, according to the American military command, "in connection with the movement of Russian troops near the western borders."


Combat units of the American fleet - the destroyers "Donald Cook" (USS Donald Cook) and "Roosevelt" (USS Roosevelt) - were supposed to enter the Black Sea on April 14 - it was on this date that the United States sent Turkey a notification of passage through the Bosphorus. The ships should leave the Black Sea water area on May 4-5 - in compliance with the Montreux convention.

However, instead of directly heading from the Mediterranean Sea through the Marmara Sea to the Black Sea, the American Navy ships entered one of the Greek naval bases, changing course. We are talking about entering the Souda base (the Greek island of Crete).

Experts draw attention to the fact that this happened on the day US President Joseph Biden called Vladimir Putin. Recall that Biden suggested that the Russian president meet "in one of the foreign countries."
At the moment, there is no information that "Donald Cook" and "Roosevelt" pass through the Bosphorus.

Against this background, the Turkish media say that the American command canceled the decision to call its ships into the Black Sea. In particular, this kind of information was published by the Turkish information portal Tr724. And the correspondent of the Turkish newspaper Hurriyet Ugur Ergan writes that the United States has withdrawn its notification of entry into the Black Sea, which Ankara received a couple of weeks ago (recall that notifications of this nature are sent to Turkey by non-Black Sea powers on the basis of the Montreux Convention 2 weeks before the intended passage across the Bosphorus).

Turkish journalist:

It is argued that the US abandonment of ships in the Black Sea could be a goodwill move to defuse tensions. NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg asked Russia to withdraw its troops from the western regions, and the Russian presidential administration warned the United States of the inadmissibility of provocative actions.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U April 15 2021 06: 11
    +12
    US abandonment of ships to the Black Sea could be a goodwill move to ease tensions
    Yes peressethe US-sheep are nervous! Ours started such a demonstrative engine that any expensive! This is not it for you, Ichthyandras are shitty!
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. April 15 2021 06: 20
      +29
      There will be goodwill if NATO and the United States withdraw their troops from Russia's borders. And since I see that the United States has again started its cheating game with marked cards with the Kremlin, in the expectation of again cheating gullible Russians.
      1. mark1
        mark1 April 15 2021 06: 41
        +16
        Yes - from the fact that they will come a little later, in principle, nothing will change. And with our Donbass, we must already make a decision and not delay and delay (only the potential for future events is growing)
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 April 15 2021 09: 51
          +2
          ... with our Donbass, we must already make a decision and not delay and delay (this is only the potential for future events growing)

          It's hard to disagree with you.
          This solution will not be easy.
        2. Grits
          Grits April 15 2021 11: 27
          0
          Apparently, our inaction in 2014 did not teach anything ... Again they are pulling the cat by the personal belongings.
        3. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov April 15 2021 13: 47
          +1
          Quote: mark1
          Yes - from the fact that they will come a little later, in principle, nothing will change. And with our Donbass, we must already make a decision and not delay and delay (only the potential for future events is growing)

          Totally agree with you.

          As for the American destroyers, there is still no clarity about their entry into the Black Sea: the Turkish media are not officials. If the Americans really decided not to enter, then, I suppose, it's a bit of a pity: the threat from their presence is small, but the pilots and crews lose a good opportunity to train in close to real conditions! laughing
      2. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter April 15 2021 07: 00
        +12
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        There will be good will if NATO and the United States withdraw their troops from Russia's borders. And since I see that the United States again started its cheating game with marked cards with the Kremlin, hoping to cheat gullible Russians again

        No, it's a pity ... they decided not to enter the Black Sea shooting range ... They are disrupting the combat training of our crews. Maybe ask all the same to come, as promised? laughing
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 April 15 2021 08: 29
          +14
          Since such an unprecedented thing happened that they canceled the entry of ships, it means that a serious batch has been outlined.
          No matter how the events develop further, I don't want to joke about them.
          There was a message that Biden wanted to meet very urgently.
          "Within weeks." Ours are in no hurry. Weeks were translated into months.
          https://lenta.ru/news/2021/04/14/vstrecha/
          Well, the US ambassador was summoned yesterday and warned that the introduction of new sanctions before the meeting would receive a tough response and could disrupt the meeting itself.
          The real war is near.
          The question is, what will it demand from us, how will it end and when will we be able to return to normal life?
          It is clear that the APU is not an enemy.
          But it's hard for me to guess what will happen next. hi
          1. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke April 15 2021 09: 22
            +3
            Quote: Alex777
            There was a message that Biden wanted to meet very urgently.
            "Within weeks." Ours are in no hurry. Weeks were translated into months.

            Already it looks like a template: an attack or some other dirty trick exactly during the departure of the first persons. There is no need to meet in the coming months.
            There are monitors, there are closed communication channels.
            That is enough.
            And once again, Biden will not have to climb to the air bridge. hi
        2. Alex777
          Alex777 April 15 2021 08: 50
          +4
          No, it's a pity ... they decided not to enter the Black Sea shooting range ...

          Have you seen this article?
          https://topcor.ru/19495-shurygin-podelilsja-zakrytoj-informaciej-o-blizhajshih-voennyh-planah-ssha-na-ukraine.html?yrwinfo=1618465250697846-704657845306595023300270-production-app-host-sas-web-yp-180
          The plan for the deployment of American bases in Ukraine outlined in the article and the cancellation of the Montreux Convention for the new channel by the Turks make a real war almost inevitable.
          Either we need to start it now or it will be too late later. hi
          1. NIKN
            NIKN April 15 2021 11: 13
            +3
            Quote: Alex777
            The plan for the deployment of American bases in Ukraine outlined in the article and the cancellation of the Montreux Convention for the new channel by the Turks make a real war almost inevitable.
            Either we need to start it now or it will be too late later.

            The inevitability of war is, as it were, possible and not entirely possible, there can be no war between the United States and Russia, it will be a world conflict and will affect the whole of Europe. I don't think they are eager to participate in this. But the fact that the level of tension may reach the level of the Caribbean crisis is quite likely. There will be another milestone in the confrontation "Black Sea Crisis"
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 April 15 2021 11: 16
              +4
              There will be another milestone in the confrontation "Black Sea Crisis"

              Not "will be", but already there. And while this krzis is in the process. hi
              1. NIKN
                NIKN April 15 2021 11: 19
                +4
                Quote: Alex777
                Not "will be", but already there. And while this krzis is in the process.

                hi I meant the development of this crisis will reach the same critical point. as in Caribbean. (ie to start or not), otherwise all the time our relations with "partners" are a crisis.
          2. Kerensky
            Kerensky April 15 2021 14: 21
            +1
            the Turks' abolition of the Montreux Convention for the new canal makes a real war almost inevitable.

            Alexander. The convention applies to the straits! That is, there are more than one of them. And the channel unloads only the Bosphorus.
            Either we need to start it now or it will be too late later.

            Where do we start? From the council in Fili, or did you personally gather under the bullets?
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 April 15 2021 15: 08
              0
              Alexander. The convention applies to the straits! That is, there are more than one of them. And the channel unloads only the Bosphorus.

              Erdogan said that the Montreux Convention will not be applied to the Istanbul channel.
              https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/11147959

              Where do we start? From the council in Fili, or did you personally gather under the bullets?

              Why are you interested in?
              1. Kerensky
                Kerensky April 15 2021 15: 17
                0
                Erdogan said that the Montreux Convention will not be applied to the Istanbul channel.

                Phew! Once again ... There, at the entrance first to the Dardanelles, to which the convention applies, and only then the Bosphorus and the canal?
                Why are you interested in?

                Put on the allowance.
            2. Alex777
              Alex777 April 16 2021 15: 41
              0
              Alexander. The convention applies to the straits!
              And the channel unloads only the Bosphorus.


              It is clear that the Istanbul canal could not be included in the convention concluded more than 80 years before the start of its construction, and Turkey has every right to regulate itself which ships and vessels will pass through it under what conditions.

              True, you can only pass from the Black Sea to the Marmara Sea and back. To get to the Aegean and from there to the Mediterranean, ships and ships must pass the Dardanelles - and this strait is already part of the Montreux Convention. So the Istanbul channel really has nothing to do with the Montreux Convention - but at the same time, it does not undermine it.

              But when Ankara begins construction of the second canal - an alternative to the Dardanelles route from the Marmara to the Aegean Sea - the situation will change dramatically. No, Turkey will not bury the convention. “We, as before, continue to implement the Montreux Convention. It clearly limits the mode of passage of warships. We continue to apply it, no one needs to worry about this, ”promises Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu. And ships through the Bosphorus and Dardanelles will pass according to the current rules.

              However, in parallel with this, Ankara will receive another passage, through two new channels - completely under its control. Moreover, we are not talking about the straits, but about artificial canals - and Turkish lawyers will probably find some reason to partially withdraw them from the convention on the law of the sea and ensure full Turkish sovereignty. Roughly speaking, Turkey itself will determine who and on what conditions will pass through these channels. And to extract enormous profits from these decisions.

              https://vz.ru/world/2021/4/16/1094812.html
      3. Invoce
        Invoce April 15 2021 08: 21
        +3
        “It is argued that the US abandonment of ships in the Black Sea could be a step of goodwill to ease tensions. NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg asked Russia to withdraw its troops from the western regions, and the Russian presidential administration warned the United States of the inadmissibility of provocative actions.

        We are not talking about any goodwill. Just everything. The jokes were over. If the weapon is directed, it must either shoot or be destroyed. Americans do not want to tempt fate and be drowned in the Black Sea, to the delight of states "not advanced democracy." For (remember the 70s of the 20th century, the period after the Vietnam War), the image of the American army is a guarantor of the stability of the dollar, and as a result, of the US economy.
        US military failure will lead to the collapse of "democracy" and the economy of the Western world
        1. CYM
          CYM April 15 2021 17: 39
          0
          For (remember the 70s of the 20th century, the period after the Vietnam War), the image of the American army is the guarantor of the stability of the dollar, and as a result, of the US economy
          IMHO Just in the 70s, the external and, most importantly, the internal image of the United States was unimportant, Vietnam brought them to their senses well. Then there was "victory in the cold war", Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya ... and the Americans again felt themselves to be an "exceptional nation." Unfortunately, it is only treated with thousands of coffins under the Stars and Stripes flag.
    2. Pravodel
      Pravodel April 15 2021 07: 09
      +4
      the US-sheep got nervous

      We didn’t get nervous, but we did it to the fullest. Now they first need to wash the shit off the bark, and only then steer somewhere.
    3. Overlock
      Overlock April 15 2021 08: 16
      +18
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Yes, the US-sheep were overreacting! Ours started such a demonstrative engine that any expensive! This is not that for you, Ichthyandras are shitty!

      How will they enter in a couple of days? Tell me what?
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U April 15 2021 08: 18
        +2
        Quote: Overlock
        How will they enter in a couple of days?

        And if they don't? The deadlines for the notification were disrupted.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon April 15 2021 10: 37
          0
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          The deadlines for the notification were disrupted.

          Well, that's not a problem. It takes a long time to issue a notification with new dates.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U April 15 2021 10: 40
            +1
            Quote: Piramidon
            Well, that's not a problem. It takes a long time to issue a notification with new dates.
            So this is another two weeks, and then you look and the tension will dissipate.
    4. venik
      venik April 15 2021 08: 33
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Yes, the US-sheep were overreacting! Ours started such a demonstrative engine that any expensive!

      ========
      In general - it turns out funny! Once again I am convinced: all these rotten "Western democracies" simply do not understand polite and cultural communication! Immediately they start to get impudent, require and "download the rights"! But it's worth barking at them (obscene) "exposing biceps inadvertently"- right there they" tuck their tail "and begin to lisp about" reducing tension "," normalizing ", yes" let's talk "and other clever things ... requests "....
      Well, they do not understand polite communication, they DO NOT UNDERSTAND and that's it! Only with positions of power you can talk to them! I don’t want to, but it’s clear they don’t understand it differently!
    5. ROSS_51
      ROSS_51 April 15 2021 16: 16
      0
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      US abandonment of ships to the Black Sea could be a goodwill move to ease tensions
      Yes peressethe US-sheep are nervous! Ours started such a demonstrative engine that any expensive! This is not it for you, Ichthyandras are shitty!

      And they have something to worry about, they are on the other side of the ball. This is Europe is starting to get nervous, the smell of fried .. One sharp movement and our greetings to the Polish border guards. And in the states, the usual mentality of the hegemons of the world-politics, we do not introduce sticks and carrots-ships, but we have imposed sanctions. Trying to manipulate before the Biden / Putin meeting. If it takes place at all.
  2. Popandos
    Popandos April 15 2021 06: 15
    +2
    Stripped striped, which pleases me personally
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee April 15 2021 06: 25
      0
      Donald Cook and Roosevelt
      Cook's itching to do it all! Apparently the team changed, I was drawn to extreme.
    2. 210ox
      210ox April 15 2021 06: 39
      +10
      Why should they be afraid? We got the order and that's it. First of all, their mongrels in Kiev kicked off. Further entry of ships into the Black Sea has lost all meaning.
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich April 15 2021 07: 04
        +5
        Quote: 210ox
        First of all, their mongrels in Kiev kicked off.

        That's for sure. American-Americans, but it will be cyborgs that will grind into dust. So they thought about it.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 April 15 2021 09: 46
          +4
          As I understand my colleague 210ox, he meant that the Ukrainian offensive was postponed and the ships supporting this offensive were not needed in the Black Sea.
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich April 15 2021 10: 07
            +2
            Quote: Alex777
            As far as I understood colleague 210okv, he meant that the Ukrainian offensive was postponed and the ships supporting this offensive were not needed in the Black Sea.

            The Ukrainians are "hesitating", respectively, the offensive is postponed. Therefore, American ships in the Black Sea are no longer needed. And what would they do if the Armed Forces of Ukraine decided to escalate? Shoot tomahawks? This is a war with Russia. And the Americans will not agree to this.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 April 15 2021 10: 57
              +1
              And what would they do if the Armed Forces of Ukraine decided to escalate? Shoot tomahawks?

              I would not like to go so far as to go straight to the point.
              They would not want to, nor we ...
              Donbass must be defended and a solution must be sought.
            2. 210ox
              210ox April 15 2021 14: 36
              0
              They will not shoot. They will interfere, distract attention. Explore. There's always a lot to get into a big pile under our door.
      2. Popandos
        Popandos April 15 2021 07: 07
        0
        I meant that those who give orders were scared.
        1. 210ox
          210ox April 15 2021 07: 42
          +3
          Are these the ones in Washington? Not at all. It is not for them to go on the attack. These gentlemen are very practical, hypocritical and prodigal. They are not afraid of them. They planned, but it didn't work out - it happens. They will come in from the other side. And I, for example, am afraid that all this would not end with a new Reykjavik or Malta.
          1. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke April 15 2021 09: 28
            0
            Quote: 210ox
            And I, for example, am afraid that all this would not end with a new Reykjavik or Malta.

            I agree.
            Similar thoughts flashed. hi
          2. Popandos
            Popandos April 15 2021 10: 44
            0
            I partially agree with you,
            no matter how it all ends with a new Reykjavik or Malta.

            But the fact that the top is not afraid, I disagree. I think that the order to turn was given either because they know that a war will begin now and are afraid of provocations against their ships, och a profitable option for the 404s, because this will be the reason for the last war on the planet.
            Or defiantly deployed destroyers ahead of possible talks at the top. Thereby showing, look how white and fluffy we are.
  3. bald
    bald April 15 2021 06: 34
    +1
    "... Not goodwill", just if it starts, all suppliers will have to be extinguished on the way, so all NATO members are better off sitting in ports, because there will be no warning about the beginning.
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 15 2021 06: 35
    +11
    US abandonment of ships to the Black Sea could be a goodwill move to ease tensions
    It may or may not be, because Americans are not inclined to show "goodwill." Even during the Cuban missile crisis, the decision was made in the interests of both sides and in front of the imminent threat of a nuclear war. Regarding the NATO Secretary General. He did not ask, he was concerned on behalf of NATO and practically demanded, as the German Defense Minister demanded (incredible arrogance). NATO is trying to regulate the movement of our troops on our own territory, don't you find this at least strange?
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. April 15 2021 06: 39
      -1
      NATO is trying to regulate the movement of our troops on our own territory, don't you find this at least strange?

      A well-known cheating trick is to take a frightened and weak partner in poker.
      Biden and his administration mimic the way Joe the cowboy at the card table. smile
  5. Ural resident
    Ural resident April 15 2021 06: 37
    +8
    Nothing has been decided yet. Somehow, the exchange of 2 destroyers for the complete withdrawal of our troops from our own territory does not seem to be equivalent. I hope Putin will not be willing to do this. Besides, there is no official information on this yet - just statements by some journalist.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova April 15 2021 08: 53
      -2
      the troops will be removed after the exercises by May 1
  6. Wedmak
    Wedmak April 15 2021 06: 38
    +2
    NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg asks Russia to withdraw its troops from the western regions

    Yet NATO has not asked where to place our troops on our territory. This "request" is actually the height of impudence. Has the United States already answered the question of their legitimacy in Syria there? And what are their soldiers doing at the borders of the Russian Federation? Let's ask them to take them too ...
  7. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 April 15 2021 06: 41
    +10
    I think that the demonstrative transfer of the RF Armed Forces and the statements of people from Putin's entourage that the ukrovoisk offensive in Donbass will be the last day of Ukraine's statehood had a sobering effect, because if the United States does not intercede for non-brothers, this will mean that words of support and that Russia will be responsible will be considered nonsense and the undermined authority of the United States will fall again, and in the case of support from non-brothers, the conflict threatens to develop into a global one with the use of nuclear weapons, and as soon as the United States and its allies are confronted with the fact of a real war with an enemy who is capable of destroying them with one salvo, they sober up and turn on the rear , remember the Cuban missile crisis.
  8. Holuay T.O
    Holuay T.O April 15 2021 06: 46
    -1
    So we have 2 armies hanging there
  9. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 15 2021 06: 49
    -2
    Turkish press: US canceled the decision to call two warships into the Black Sea

    Without words - fellow fellow fellow request request request belay belay belay wassat
  10. Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis April 15 2021 06: 55
    +7
    While the news is about nothing ... can be a step of goodwill to ease tensions. Or maybe not. Enemies cannot be trusted.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky April 15 2021 07: 51
      +5
      Quote: 30 vis
      So far, the news of nothing ... could be a step of goodwill to ease tensions. Or maybe not. Enemies cannot be trusted.

      Why nothing? If in fact, the mattresses have nullified the decision on the entry of ships. I can imagine how the fifth points of the non-brothers in embroidered shirts are popping, who for a week on the shore with a "loaf of strength" in a deep bow stood and chanted - "Cook will come Muscovite spugne", but it’s like, loaf is now the isty of the traba.
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis April 15 2021 08: 07
        +3
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Why nothing? If in fact, the mattresses have nullified the decision on the entry of ships. I can imagine how the fifth points of the non-brothers in embroidered shirts are popping, who for a week on the shore with a "loaf of strength" in a deep bow stood and chanted - "Cook will come Muscovite spugne", but it’s like, loaf is now the isty of the traba.

        Svidomites are cracking dupas ... That's just what they will demand for the cancellation of the destroyer march to the Black Sea ... the Americans ... The British and Americans are a nation of hucksters bash on bash .. Otherwise they have no ... What ours decided to concede to them ??? I'm sure now is not the time for concessions ...
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky April 15 2021 09: 48
          +4
          Quote: 30 vis
          That's just what will be demanded for the cancellation of the destroyer march to the Black Sea ... the Americans ... The British and Americans are a nation of hucksters bash for bash .. Otherwise they do not happen ... What did our people decide to yield to them ???

          Here, a little lower, a colleague Overlock provided statistics on the number of calls of ships of mattresses in the Black Sea (by years) calculated in dozens. Why do you think that due to the one-time cancellation of the decision on the entry of two ships, some kind of bargaining will now go? The goal is more - the goal is less.
          In terms of concessions, the GDP and Bidon will crackle in a third country face to face, and then, in two or three months, but for now, while analysts and diplomats from both sides mold the very objects of bargaining and packages of concessions that will sell each other. hi
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis April 15 2021 11: 37
            +1
            In any case, the cancellation of the demonstration of the US flag in the Black Sea is an event. I don't think they were scared ... I'm sure not a demonstration of the US's friendliness to Russia .. and figs on them ... did not go. shake the tomahawks and it's good ...
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky April 15 2021 12: 18
              +2
              Quote: 30 vis
              and figs on them ... did not go. shake the tomahawks and it's good ...

              Agree yes
            2. alexmach
              alexmach April 15 2021 13: 42
              +2
              God knows. Maybe they decided not to shake the tomahawks, or maybe not to substitute the ships under the Bastions.
      2. Overlock
        Overlock April 15 2021 08: 24
        +19
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        then the mattresses nullified the decision to enter ships.

        In 2014, NATO warships entered the Black Sea 31 times. In total in 2014-2015 - 52 times.
        In 2019 - 29 visits.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky April 15 2021 09: 38
          +2
          Quote: Overlock
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          then the mattresses nullified the decision to enter ships.

          In 2014, NATO warships entered the Black Sea 31 times. In total in 2014-2015 - 52 times.
          In 2019 - 29 visits.

          This is statistics, and in this case we are talking about the texture that occurs "here and now" i.e. the Americans canceled the decision to enter. It's not that they want to break through Cook's side with their caps, but the fact itself is remarkable.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock April 15 2021 16: 35
            +19
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            but the fact itself is remarkable.

            Agree, so far it's about nothing. They will not come in today, they will come in the day after tomorrow.
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky April 15 2021 17: 59
              0
              Quote: Overlock
              Agree, so far it's about nothing. They will not come in today, they will come in the day after tomorrow.

              Well, here, of course, it's pointless to argue, as they dived and will continue to dive.
  11. tlauicol
    tlauicol April 15 2021 07: 00
    +1
    they will come in tomorrow. bunker in the Ships
  12. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 15 2021 07: 05
    +5
    This means that we need to wait for a pod from the USA in another place - a new provocation "with chemical weapons" in Syria is possible, because the Yankees and goodwill are incompatible concepts.
  13. shinobi
    shinobi April 15 2021 07: 22
    +1
    Two destroyers, 160 axes, of course, can do business in some single conditional Papuan, but in this particular case against Russia it is nothing. At the same time, they will be sent to the bottom by purely coastal complexes, and an attack on the Black Sea bases and the fleet is the third world war. As they come, they will leave. Like D. Cook in 2014. They are fond of how our army and the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine roll out into a thin pancake and sail away. Actually, they were sent for this.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock April 15 2021 08: 26
      +18
      Quote: shinobi
      Two destroyers, 160 axes, of course, can do business in some single conditional Papuan, but in this particular case against Russia it is nothing.

      Can they shoot only from the Black Sea? Does the US only have 2 destroyers? Wai-wai!
      1. shinobi
        shinobi April 16 2021 15: 15
        0
        Time of arrival, dear. The larger it is, the more time it takes for potential targets to respond. Oh, five, who knows how those countries will react over whose territory they will fly. And the longer they fly, the more "accidents" and troubles with axes can happen on the road, and such a missile strike would mean a third world strike, since such a launch on accident with equipment or a mistake by the crew of a hotel destroyer cannot be explained away.
  14. Polite Moose
    Polite Moose April 15 2021 07: 28
    +9
    Experts draw attention to the fact that this happened on the day US President Joseph Biden called Vladimir Putin.

    And experts do not want to draw attention to the fact that the CALL TO PUTIN was somehow passed with impunity for Biden? After all, if Trump had made the call (or even thought about it), he would have been lynched that very day.
    1. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 April 15 2021 07: 53
      +2
      Quote: Polite Elk
      And experts do not want to draw attention to the fact that the CALL TO PUTIN was somehow passed with impunity for Biden?


      To the point of this call, the US policy has not changed at all:

      The United States will expel ten Russian diplomats from the country and introduce new sanctions against individuals and legal entities from Russia. Bloomberg reports this citing sources.

      As it became known, restrictions will be imposed on 20 Russian organizations and 12 Russians, including representatives of the government and intelligence. Such measures will be in response to alleged Russian interference in the US presidential elections and attributed to her hacker attacks through software firm SolarWinds, the newspaper notes.



      New US anti-Russian sanctions may include restrictions related to Russian sovereign debt. This is reported by Reuters, citing a knowledgeable source.

      The interlocutor of the agency clarified that Washington will announce a new extensive package of restrictions on Thursday.


      therefore, there is no sense in Biden's team to worry (because of the criticism of the Republicans) at all. Even if Biden and Putin meet, the sanctions will not be lifted and the pressure will not decrease in the least ...
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose April 15 2021 09: 36
        +5
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        To the point of this call, US policy has not changed at all

        Everything is clear with politics. The customer has not changed there. The question is: why can Biden call Putin with impunity, and even ask him to meet, while Trump, under threat of impeachment, is not?
        PS The question is purely rhetorical.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach April 15 2021 13: 45
          +1
          Everything is clear with politics. The customer has not changed there. The question is: why can Biden call Putin with impunity, and even ask him to meet, while Trump, under threat of impeachment, is not?

          Because Biden is "his" and Trump is not.
          1. Polite Moose
            Polite Moose April 15 2021 14: 47
            +1
            Quote: alexmach
            Because Biden is "his" and Trump is not.

            Well, well, well! Now it's all clear. Biden is the Democratic president and Trump is the Republican. And since America is the beacon of democracy, the Democrat Biden is most sympathetic to her!
  15. rocket757
    rocket757 April 15 2021 07: 46
    0
    Politicians "play" ... they rattle their weapons, then change their minds.
    Everything as usual.
    Any little things, to sit on the sirloin straight and not tweet, once again ..... come down for a smart one.
  16. usr01
    usr01 April 15 2021 07: 50
    +6
    So it is clear - "April 15 - Day of the specialist in electronic warfare" !!!
    Donald Cook omnit ...
    1. Overlock
      Overlock April 15 2021 08: 26
      +14
      Quote: usr01
      Donald Cook omnit ...

      The myth about this has long been debunked, fairy tales of yesteryear
      1. Black lotos
        Black lotos April 15 2021 10: 42
        0
        Quote: usr01
        Donald Cook omnit ...

        5 pluses about fake
        Quote: Overlock
        The myth about this has long been debunked, fairy tales of yesteryear

        3 minuses about debunking a fake.
        Bottom line, people like fakes.
        The Cook Witness sect is alive and well and will neglect everyone.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock April 15 2021 16: 25
          +22
          Quote: Black Lotos
          The Cook Witness sect is alive and well and will neglect everyone.

          Kindergarten! It seems like grown-up guys
  17. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 15 2021 08: 00
    +5
    They wanted to take the guns and scared themselves. what Much has changed in the troops since the days of the Tagged One and the Drunkard.
  18. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 15 2021 08: 45
    +1
    At the moment, there is no information that "Donald Cook" and "Roosevelt" pass through the Bosphorus.
    1,5 hours ago on TV they gave information that the cook headed for the Black Sea. On the second, there is no information yet.
  19. iouris
    iouris April 15 2021 08: 57
    +2
    So what? They will come another time. They have no place at all in the Black Sea. The US must dissolve its NATO.
  20. Aleksandr97
    Aleksandr97 April 15 2021 09: 05
    +2
    That's what "life-giving teachings"they do !!! Right away, things were found in other places !!! laughing
  21. Pensive Lawyer
    Pensive Lawyer April 15 2021 09: 12
    +4
    I didn’t expect it to happen so early, but the US attempt to come to an agreement was generally predictable.
    They are in a more vulnerable position on the Ukrainian issue.
    We have a bunch of citizens there, in which case, according to all international norms, we have grounds for aggression in the event of an attack from the Ukrainian Armed Forces. This, of course, does not mean that we can do anything, but the grounds do not allow us to regard the aggressive actions of the Russian Federation as treacherous, we have the right to protect our citizens by any means.
    The United States, on the other hand, is walking on thin ice. They cannot forbid us to fight for their lives. In view of the grounds we have for aggression in the event of an escalation of the conflict, to turn the world community against us - too, the situation is too ambiguous. In no case do they want to fight themselves. The rest of NATO members will not climb without them. And the loss of Ukraine means to sign powerlessness - they promised so much in words, helped, and then, before their very eyes, they seem to be like "friends" just rolled into the asphalt, and the hegemon looks and flows around.
    The only thing they can do is diplomacy. And taking into account how the grandfather was annealing recently, this is the language of concessions. Losing political weight, but at least not as much as with the loss of Ukraine. Trump understood this, so he tried in every possible way to ignore Ukraine, so that later, like the United States, was not in business, and did not even promise anything. Grandfather did not really delve into the subtleties and climbed impulsively. Now it will rake.

    The trick is that a lot of concessions are a shame. Few concessions may not have an effect and they will then lose influence and at the same time disgrace themselves. They need to find a middle ground.
  22. Dimide
    Dimide April 15 2021 09: 36
    0
    Erdogan said that the new Istanbul channel will not fall under the Montreux convention.
    1. Dimide
      Dimide April 15 2021 10: 26
      -1
      Now the destroyers are at the base of the Court in Crete, where they are bunkering.
  23. Black lotos
    Black lotos April 15 2021 10: 48
    +1
    Ru newspaper citing Ria
    The American embassy in Ankara informed the Turkish side that the passage of two warships through the Bosphorus to the Black Sea has been canceled. RIA Novosti writes about this with reference to a source.

    she's about the ships themselves
    Earlier it was reported that the American missile destroyer Donald Cook ("Donald Cook") replenished supplies of fuel and supplies at the base of Souda Bay on the Greek island of Crete and headed for the Black Sea.
    The destroyer stayed at the base for nine hours, after which she went north to the Dardanelles Strait at a speed of 14,3 knots per hour (about 26,5 km per hour). It is one of only two American warships to enter the waters of the Black Sea. It is not yet known where the second destroyer Roosevelt is located.

    soon we will see for ourselves whether the information or the games of the information war is correct.
    In any case, the exchange of the entry of 2 destroyers for the withdrawal of troops is clearly in favor of the United States.
    1. alexddd
      alexddd April 15 2021 13: 30
      +3
      What is this exchange? This exchange is probably only on the Internet in the comments of members of the forum. Well, something like: "We do not send ships to the Black Sea, but you are the troops, on the movement of which an unimportant amount of money was spent - fuel and lubricants, railway services, travel personnel, etc., etc. ... take it to the places of initial deployment. Or maybe it is better like this: "you are withdrawing military bases from Poland, the Baltic states, Germany, Japan ....., and we are recalling 12 Poseidons who are now going to your shores." the gun that was hanging in the first act of the play will shoot, or the director has one of the "artists" and thus bring the plebs to life a little.
  24. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer April 15 2021 11: 42
    +1
    Why did the Canister "turn on the back"?))) What did Uncle Vova tell him?
    1. Andryukha G
      Andryukha G April 15 2021 15: 28
      +1
      The can was shown to the Russian troops on the border, which would flatten the "strongest army of the continent" into a wet cake and still get all the little mongrels from nata.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky April 15 2021 16: 17
      0
      Quote: TermNachTER
      Why did the Canister "turn on the back"?))) What did Uncle Vova tell him?

      Probably something about tourism.winked As an option - I thanked for the allocation of two vessels to replenish the collection of underwater objects for visiting by tourist divers.
  25. zwlad
    zwlad April 15 2021 16: 01
    0
    turned the wrong way and got stuck in the Suez Canal?
  26. 1536
    1536 April 15 2021 22: 24
    0
    Are the bottoms overgrown with shells or are they afraid of the application of anti-piracy legislation?
  27. notingem
    notingem April 15 2021 23: 37
    0
    It's very simple, the crews deserted.