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The Year of Science and Technology: Inappropriate Irony of Russian Reality

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Source: kvantoriumtomsk.ru


"Late producer"


In their April report, experts from the Higher School of Economics opened the public's eyes to the deplorable development of advanced domestic technologies. The irony of university analysts is that such alarming conclusions were formulated in the Year of Science and Technology, symbolic for Russia. Time, so to speak, was no longer found. Seriously though, since the beginning of the XNUMXst century, our country has been systematically losing technological competence step by step. And the HSE report did not come as a surprise to the sympathetic and caring part of the public.


Source: solarfields.ru

The level of technological competence of any state is determined, first of all, by the ability to produce products with high added value. And not just produce, but successfully export. Typical examples are the export-oriented economies of Germany and Japan. The whole world associates these countries, first of all, with high-quality mechanical engineering products. Which is becoming a challenge for global manufacturing facilities.

A typical situation illustrating the dependence of the world economy on Japanese and European industries. At the Japanese plant Renesas Electronics, which is engaged in the production of microchips, a fire broke out not so long ago, which actually stopped the operation of the enterprise. This scourge has been compounded by the worldwide decline in microprocessor manufacturing associated with declining orders in the 2020 coronavirus. As a result, there is now a decline in car production in the world economy - in the first quarter of this year, the market will receive less than 1 million cars. This is due to the fact that Infineon Technologies AG, STM and the like cannot quickly resume the production of microchips. The crisis is expected to last until summer or early autumn.

The microchip shortage is not unique to the automotive industry. Manufacturers of a wide range of electronics and household appliances have faced similar problems. Russia has also suffered from a shortage of automotive electronic components. In particular, the warehouses are about to run out of components for the Era-Glonass rescue system, with which every new car should be equipped. Such equipment is not produced in the country on its own, therefore it is necessary to purchase it abroad. And this is just a single example that characterizes the situation in Russia with high-tech production.

In Russia now, according to HSE experts, among the advanced technologies, the production of weapons and nuclear power is at a fairly developed level. With a certain degree of convention, the Russian aerospace industry can be classified as high-tech. The example of nuclear technology does not inspire much optimism - now the world is flourishing green energy. And nuclear power plants are considered almost a toxic asset. Therefore, the Russian nuclear high-tech does not feel much demand and, accordingly, growth prospects. The aerospace sector has also not shown significant growth lately. And the arms market occupies no more than 0,2% of the world's advanced production. Therefore, the authors from the HSE believe that

"The current specialization of Russia in the markets of advanced production is characterized by insufficient potential for sustainable long-term development."

The Year of Science and Technology: Inappropriate Irony of Russian Reality
A source: KAMAZ-online

The level of Russian high-tech production currently belongs to the not-so-prestigious category of “late manufacturers”. Our country is in one company with Brazil, India, South Africa, Australia, Norway, Argentina, Kazakhstan and 28 other states. Countries such as Poland, Romania, Mexico, the United Arab Emirates and, of course, China are ahead of Russia. Further vegetation in the club of “late” threatens the state with the final transformation into a consumer of foreign technologies and, as a result, a threat to its own sovereignty.

Export basket


Russia, strange as it may sound, is very dependent not on imports, but on exports. The quota of goods exported abroad reaches a very significant 25% of GDP. For comparison: the USA has such a quota of only 8%, China - 18%, Japan - 14%. The record was recorded by the Federal Republic of Germany with its 37% of GDP. The Germans know how to produce a lot of high-quality goods in demand on world markets. In Russia, they also know how to produce a lot, only 64% of exports are related to raw materials, primarily hydrocarbons. Here, whatever one may say, not much high technology and advanced production are required. But we cannot fully satisfy even the needs of the domestic raw material economy. According to the HSE, the oil and gas sector is 70% dependent on Western technologies. That is, in the event of truly serious sanctions from our opponents, a considerable part of the industry may simply stop over time.


Photo: Press service of PJSC "Dalenergomash"

Let's return to 36% of the so-called non-resource non-energy exports, the growth of which the Russian leadership is so eager to see. Now it is about $ 155 billion annually. And it seems to be a big part of the market pie. But only 50 billion (by the way, in monetary terms is worse than that of Turkey) of this amount refers to cars, equipment, aerospace, food, medicine and electrical engineering. This is the so-called upper redistribution - products that require a certain level of technological excellence from manufacturers.

A few more numbers related to the structure of Russian commodity non-resource energy exports. In 2019, $ 31,4 billion accounted for the middle processing - mainly rolled metal products, paper, fabrics, meat and butter, and another $ 72,6 billion for the downstream processing - metals, fertilizers, grain, fish and lumber.

An interesting situation has developed with the polymer industry. The Zapsibneftekhim-Sibur plant in Tobolsk, which has been under construction for so long, is only increasing its export every year. On the one hand, this is good - the country receives currency from the sale of deeply refined petroleum products. On the other hand, a production base has not been formed in Russia even for the consumption of its own polymer products.

But there is still progress. Previously, we sold hydrocarbons conditionally to China, where they produced, for example, polypropylene, which Russia successfully imported. Now we sell finished polypropylene abroad and buy it as part of deeply processed products - cars, office equipment and others. What kind of high technologies can we talk about in such a situation?

At the same time, it cannot be said that the state is not taking any measures. In 2018, the President instructed to achieve $ 2024 billion in non-energy exports by 250, of which at least $ 50 billion should go to mechanical engineering products. I must say, very optimistic growth prospects, the achievement of which will still not allow Russia to enter even the ten largest non-resource exporters in the world.

Russian potential


The reasons for this state of affairs in the Russian technology sector have long been known. The main factor is the system that has developed since Soviet times, when fundamental science is divorced from the real sector of the economy. The research focused on the interests of the state machine, which was primarily interested in issues related to defense and energy security. Now, if the situation is changing, it is very slow.

At present, it is much easier for a Russian consumer of high-tech products to purchase what they need abroad than to place orders with domestic manufacturers. High-tech competitive to the West turns out to be more expensive in Russia, with a large import component and with vague service prospects. The example of the stillborn Superjet is a great illustration of this.


Photo: Nikolay Stepanenkov

Meanwhile, Russian fundamental science has certain breakthrough points of growth.

This is, for example, a powerful mathematical school that can become the basis for the biotechnology industry, artificial intelligence, additive technologies and the development of methods for processing big data. But one school is not enough, serious resources are still required for the growth of companies within the country capable of consuming such products, as well as serious political influence on Russia's economic allies.

Simply put, Moscow needs to independently create a pool of Russian high-tech buyers. Of course, under the conditions of a sanction it is difficult.

But the example with the Sputnik V vaccine gives hope for the rapid growth of the domestic high-tech sector. At least now there is experience of what and how to do, as well as where to sell. And then, quite likely, the Year of Science and Technology will turn from memories of past victories into a symbol of the country's technological growth.
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  2. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U April 16 2021 05: 13
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    The article is full of contradictions and nonsense:
    Our country is in one company with Brazil, India, South Africa, Australia, Norway, Argentina, Kazakhstan and 28 other states. Countries such as Poland, Romania, Mexico, UAE and of course China.
    In what areas are the highlighted countries ahead of Russia? In short, there is enough of this in the article.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 April 16 2021 05: 48
      +28
      ... According to the HSE, the oil and gas sector is 70% depends on western technologies.

      It was under the current knee-jerk that the oilmen switched to American and now Chinese equipment. Because there is simply nothing to replace the American with. In Russia, entire factories for the production of oil equipment were closed, which, even with an alcoholic, worked and supplied our oil industry.

      ... example with the "Sputnik V" vaccine instills hope for the rapid growth of the domestic high-tech sector

      Vaccine example instills bewilderment. Our, who was vaccinated, it is not clear what, announced to the whole world about first in the world vaccine ... but why are we then in 56th place in terms of vaccination ?? Why are we in the last place among those who make and apply our own vaccine?
      1. Far B
        Far B April 16 2021 06: 01
        +30
        You are ... Be careful about the knee-jumper. Today I have the first post with his mention rubbed. Then they rubbed the message itself that the message had been deleted. Then I made a second post (in which I did not mention the inserter), where I informed the forum users about this episode. In a magical way, after a dozen minutes, part of my post about the deleted message and the shabby notification about the deletion of the message disappeared, but the notification that the message was deleted appeared again. I suspect that today there is someone in the moderators to whom our president is extremely dear. So much so that modernization does not hesitate to climb into other people's posts and make their own editing in them. For now - just erasing part of the message. What happens next - well, time will tell laughing .
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 April 16 2021 06: 19
          +18
          Quote: Dalny V
          Today I have the first post with his mention rubbed

          hi It becomes scary to mention him in general, as if he is a shuttlecock and some kind. I think the moderators are more for themselves and the site is afraid of removing impartial comments in the direction of the authorities. I'm used to this, if only they couldn't stand it.
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          2. Civil
            Civil April 16 2021 07: 44
            +34
            What hi-tech?
            1. Young people look and leave for the West. According to official statistics, in 2017-2019, more than 300 leave the Russian Federation every year. from 000 to 17 years old. For three years the city of one million has left.
            2. Low wages in production, the average salary, again Rosstat, is 45 rubles or 000 euros. And now it looks more like an EU unemployment benefit. And taking into account the sharply jumped prices for food and housing and communal services in general, a penny.

            The author is wrong, Russia is a capitalist country in the third world in decline and the requirements as the leading countries are not applicable to it. It should be compared with Pakistan, Ukraine, Nigeria.
            1. Anzhey V.
              Anzhey V. April 16 2021 10: 08
              +19
              2014 - 310 thousand
              2015 - 350 thousand
              2016 - 313 thousand
              2017 - 377 thousand
              2020 - 380 thousand

              The number of citizens who left Russia according to the host countries
              1. Civil
                Civil April 16 2021 10: 11
                +14
                Quote: Anjay V.
                2014 - 310 thousand
                2015 - 350 thousand
                2016 - 313 thousand
                2017 - 377 thousand
                2020 - 380 thousand

                The number of citizens who left Russia according to the host countries

                Go to the Rosstat website, everything is there by age. A simple sample of young people gives a figure. Young people are leaving the country.
                Well, judging by the reaction of the state and society - no one cares about it. So this is considered the norm. And since this society and the state considers it normal, therefore, there is no problem.
                1. Anzhey V.
                  Anzhey V. April 16 2021 10: 15
                  +17
                  Well, judging by the reaction of the state and society - everyone doesn't care


                  The state in our country is even, perhaps, interested in this - mostly passionaries and people who yearn for a higher level of income and life are leaving.

                  What can the authorities offer them? Officials over there sincerely believe that 15 thousand is a normal average salary ...
                  1. Civil
                    Civil April 16 2021 10: 17
                    -4
                    Quote: Anjay V.
                    The state in our country is even, perhaps, interested in this - mostly passionaries and people who yearn for a higher level of income and life are leaving.

                    What can the authorities offer them? Officials over there sincerely believe that 15 thousand is a normal average salary ...

                    And this is what society considers to be the norm. I don’t understand what is the reason for your indignation?
                    1. Anzhey V.
                      Anzhey V. April 16 2021 10: 21
                      +19
                      And this is what society considers to be the norm. I don’t understand what is the reason for your indignation?


                      Disturbance? God save you!

                      In general, I believe that the country should work for food and general happiness, and people do not need any money. A bunk in a shared barrack and a bowl of stew is the best reward for a job done!

                      Hooray! Hooray!
              2. dorz
                dorz April 16 2021 11: 04
                +12
                Quote: Anjay V.
                2014 - 310 thousand
                2015 - 350 thousand
                2016 - 313 thousand
                2017 - 377 thousand
                2020 - 380 thousand

                The number of citizens who left Russia according to the host countries


                According to UN data, 7 million Russians live abroad.
            2. Volder
              Volder April 16 2021 11: 42
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              Quote: Civil
              Low wages in production, the average salary, again Rosstat, is 45 rubles or 000 euros. And now it looks more like an EU unemployment benefit.
              In the EU, life is much more expensive - prices, taxes are higher. In Russia, 45 thousand you can easily live and will still remain (I judge for myself), but in Europe this money will be enough to just eat and pay for utilities, living space of 5x5 meters.
              Russia, a capitalist country in the world, is in decline and the requirements as the leading countries are not applicable to it. It should be compared with Pakistan, Ukraine, Nigeria.
              Russia has a positive trade balance (foreign trade balance), GDP with a plus sign, gold and foreign exchange reserves are accumulating, there is no dependence on the IMF, I am already silent about the capabilities of the Army and advanced nuclear energy. There are undoubtedly problems in the country. But in other countries, too, there are many problems. For example, in the United States, 25 million homeless people living under bridges and in trailers, 50 million are on ration cards, and the same number do not have honey. insurance (i.e. treatment of any serious illness will ruin you to the ground, or you will simply die without receiving high-tech assistance). I can enumerate further, but the meaning, I think, is clear ...
              1. A.TOR
                A.TOR April 16 2021 12: 35
                +8
                Where do you get this nonsense? According to the most overestimated estimates, we have up to 2 million people. there are a LOT of homeless people. Maybe even up to 2,5 million.
                Only it should be borne in mind that in the United States people are responsible for themselves, and bear responsibility for themselves.
                You are your own boss - you yourself are responsible for the consequences.
        2. Boris55
          Boris55 April 16 2021 08: 50
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          Quote: Dalny V
          Be careful about the knee-up.

          Vysotsky - Song about a skater
          .... I feel sorry for the coach - he is a good coach - well, God bless him!
          I'm doing wrestling and boxing these days, -
          I have no more doubts about myself:
          Everyone suddenly became very polite to me, and - the coach ...

          Looks like you were looking at us from the back, so it seemed to you that we were on our knees, and we just laced up ankle boots and as soon as we brought a small part of our troops to Voronezh, a queue for diapers formed in NATO, although from the place of deployment of our troops to borders of Ukraine (not even NATO) - 270 km. - is this not a visible result of our achievements?

          Want more? I would like to, but just do not confuse the processes taking place in real politics and economics with the Oblomovs' dreams.

          The unattainable achievements in our defense industry for all "advanced" countries are the result of general education (which, of course, wishes for the best, and nevertheless). The construction of a submarine, an airplane, a tank is the result of all of us: from a geologist exploring mineral deposits, their extraction, processing, design bureau, assembly, etc.

          In the 90s, the United States stole from us all the documentation on "space" but is still unable to understand it and do anything about it - their hands do not grow from there ...
          1. Cosm22
            Cosm22 April 16 2021 10: 05
            +27
            As for the documentation on "space", is it possible in more detail?
            What has the United States allegedly stolen from Russia and what cannot they do?
            At the same time, it is desirable to clarify what exactly Russia itself has done in space issues over the thirty years of its existence? Please do not mention the handicrafts of Korolev and Glushko.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter April 16 2021 10: 08
              +18
              Quote: Cosm22
              Please do not mention Korolev and Glushko handicrafts.

              Comrade, we have no others! Therefore, turboputriots have to pass off the Soviet as Putin's and throw up their caps.
              1. Civil
                Civil April 16 2021 10: 20
                +13
                Quote: Stroporez
                Comrade, we have no others! Therefore, turboputriots have to pass off the Soviet as Putin's and throw up their caps.

                On the VO site, there is no longer a single one, except me. free follower of GDP. Therefore, I ask them not to call them "turboputriots", people at work should be called "on duty". I beg you very much.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter April 16 2021 10: 40
                  +2
                  Quote: Civil
                  On the VO site, there is no longer a single free follower of GDP, except for me. Therefore, I ask you not to call them "turboputriots", people at work should be called "on duty". I beg you very much.

                  Smiled good laughing The sword does not cut off the guilty head, let them be "on duty"! wassat
                2. dauria
                  dauria April 17 2021 11: 08
                  -5
                  On the VO website, there is no longer a single free follower of GDP, except for me.


                  Here are those on recourse And this is with 76% of the support of the people in the elections. What is this? Military Review website -
                  the tribune of the opposition to the authorities? wink
                  Don't be ridiculous ... It's just that the site owners are well versed in the demand for news. There are always more people willing to scold the authorities than to praise them. In any country. The main thing is to know when to stop. In the same USA, you can rake a bunch of problems from fines to jail. Both the site and the "writers".
          2. sniperino
            sniperino April 16 2021 10: 55
            -8
            Quote: Boris55
            In the 90s, the United States stole from us all the documentation on "space" but is still not able to understand it and do anything about it - their hands do not grow from there
            At school, they spent a long time dealing with the household that is between their legs: how to properly manage it, which gender is preferable today, etc. Today, doubts have been added about the racial tolerance of the exact sciences ... Labor migrants are more likely to read technical documentation there.
        3. Volder
          Volder April 16 2021 11: 23
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          Quote: Dalny V
          I suspect that today there is someone in the moderators to whom our president is extremely dear.
          Do you think it's not normal when the president is considered a more important figure than some boorish anonymous commentator? When you are disrespectful to someone, keep in mind that you, too, will not be treated any better.
        4. yehat2
          yehat2 April 19 2021 11: 47
          0
          Quote: Dalny V
          ... Today I have the first post with his mention rubbed.

          and they rubbed my post about Polikarpov.
          so it's not about the personalities.
      2. Primus
        Primus April 16 2021 08: 04
        +12
        Yesterday at the warehouse I saw certificates for covid tests, Koreans rivet them. We have no medical industry at all.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter April 16 2021 10: 10
          0
          Quote: Primus
          Yesterday at the warehouse I saw certificates for covid tests, Koreans rivet them. We have no medical industry at all.

          Yes, but only in reports.
      3. Volder
        Volder April 16 2021 11: 16
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        Quote: Stas157
        Ours, who was vaccinated by some unknown reason, announced to the whole world about the world's first vaccine ...
        The media tell you in Russian and in plain text what people are vaccinated with. Do you have problems with the perception of information?
        but why are we then on the 56th place in terms of vaccination ?? Why are we in the last place among those who make and apply our own vaccine?
        You are told in Russian and in plain text in the media that there is not enough production capacity in Russia to produce a vaccine. This is because for the production of a vaccine against covid, special equipment is needed (not the same as with ordinary flu). While other countries use international cooperation, the exchange of technologies, Russia, meanwhile, refuse to sell components for this honey. equipment as well as the equipment itself.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 16 2021 12: 39
          +9
          Quote: Volder
          The media tell you in Russian and in plain text what people are vaccinated with.

          But the doctors themselves, for some reason, do not want to be vaccinated.
      4. smart ass
        smart ass April 16 2021 16: 16
        +6
        You ask too many questions !!! I had a friend who knitted household gloves. Chinese machines, yarn and pvc dousing are also Chinese))
      5. Private89
        Private89 April 16 2021 20: 19
        +4
        Don't believe those who say that “our” government is not effective, it is very effective, nevertheless, it was necessary to try very hard to achieve such outstanding results, I suppose that you can drink not only for science, but also for education, medicine, social guarantees without clinking glasses.
    2. astepanov
      astepanov April 16 2021 18: 00
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      The article is full of contradictions and nonsense

      And this is true.
      In Russia now, according to HSE experts, among advanced technologies, weapons production and nuclear power are at a fairly developed level.
      These gentlemen from the Higher School of Economics would look at the calendar - what is technology. Any production relies on a huge variety of processes, and since "Technology is a set of methods and tools to achieve the desired result," then in the production of rockets or reactors, basically the same equipment is used as in backward civilian industries. it doesn't matter whether you make rocket heptyl or PVA glue - the same chemical reactors, refrigerators, pumps will be used ... We have good design solutions inherited from the USSR, military acceptance that eliminates defects, labor discipline - and, as a result, high-quality and insanely expensive products, because no one will sell the S-400 or "Armata" to us. And there are relatively few new technologies in these industries, as, indeed, everywhere else.
      The example of nuclear technology does not inspire much optimism - now the world is flourishing green energy. And nuclear power plants are considered almost a toxic asset.

      Well, what a bloom? Some show-off. It is believed that the share of green energy in the total balance is 22%, but this includes 15% of the energy generated by hydropower plants. In total, there remains only 7%, and we know what the "greenness" of hydropower is, based on the example of the soiled and practically killed Volga. Both wind energy and solar are much more expensive than nuclear and dirtier. So the "green" will develop to a reasonable peak and stabilize at the level of not 7, but at most 20%.
      The main factor is the system that has developed since Soviet times, when fundamental science is divorced from the real sector of the economy. The research focused on the interests of the state machine, which was primarily interested in issues related to defense and energy security.
      Hello, we've arrived! Fundamental science has never dealt with technology, it solves the problems that follow from its name, and sends the results (if any) to industry science. Why do we have a lot of applied research institutes, what is university science for? For this very thing: to maintain the technological level. And from the HSE they want to charge this task to the Russian Academy of Sciences, which has long been turned into nothing. And after it the branch "boxes" fell down - however, it could not be otherwise, because with the destroyed industry all these research institutes are a waste of money.
      In general, the article is so-so. Where HSE is, don't expect a rational approach.
      1. Outsider V.
        Outsider V. April 20 2021 14: 13
        0
        Bravo. Finally I got a competent comment.
  3. Far B
    Far B April 16 2021 05: 15
    +16
    Further vegetation in the club of "late" threatens the state with the final transformation into a consumer of foreign technologies
    Yes, we are already in this club. Do not indulge in the most.
    1. AUL
      AUL April 16 2021 05: 31
      +21
      The aerospace sector has also recently does not demonstrate meaningful growth.
      Well, a very diplomatic expression! I applaud while standing! good
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter April 16 2021 07: 43
        0
        Quote: AUL
        The aerospace sector has also recently does not demonstrate meaningful growth.
        Well, a very diplomatic expression! I applaud while standing! good

        Greetings, Comrade! hi drinks Expression they come up with a lot, which only "negative growth" is worth.
    2. Soho
      Soho April 16 2021 05: 46
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      All right, let's go get registered laughing now everyone will run in - well, of course, such a reason laughing
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 16 2021 05: 49
        +26
        No, let's sing an ode to Putin again, and everything will be right at once! wassat
        1. Soho
          Soho April 16 2021 05: 54
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          Don't take it so personally)) whine, whine, I don't mind laughing everyone is used to you and is already simply perceived as an integral part of being. Yes, not nice, but where to go) Like the cries of drunks under the balcony at night. So do not be embarrassed, write. Like each other. Look what epaulettes have increased yes
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 April 16 2021 06: 00
            +21
            Is it noticeable that I'm embarrassed? wink
            There is such a term - causation. What we have now in all areas of scientific activity is a consequence of the activities of your government.
            1. Soho
              Soho April 16 2021 06: 17
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              a consequence of your government's activities.

              Are you from the Ukrainians or what? Well then, what do you care about Russian science. America will help you and protect laughing
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 April 16 2021 06: 21
                +17
                Quote: Soho

                What are you from the Ukrainians

                From the Tugarins! laughing
                1. Soho
                  Soho April 16 2021 06: 24
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                  From the Tugarins! laughing

                  Well, to know you correctly, Alyosha Popovich slapped in the face laughing I also watch cartoons with my daughter))
      2. Stas157
        Stas157 April 16 2021 06: 29
        +21
        Quote: Soho
        All right, let's go scavengers check in now everyone will run

        Do you have a reason for optimism and are completely satisfied with everything? Or do you prefer to endure troubles in silence and with great patience?
        1. Soho
          Soho April 16 2021 06: 34
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          No, I perfectly see the problems of our science. I just don't like your sect. I have the right? Or do you want to shut me up?
      3. Gardamir
        Gardamir April 16 2021 07: 22
        +6
        well, such a reason
        And you do not give reasons. Work. Now, if it had not been abused, then Lesha Navalny has no one to fight with. But yours support the bribe-takers.
      4. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter April 16 2021 07: 44
        +6
        Quote: Soho
        All right, let's go, the scavengers will be registered now, everyone will run in - well, of course, such an excuse

        And you, I see, is the guard on duty on this line today? wink lol
        1. KKND
          KKND April 16 2021 08: 45
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          Quote: Stroporez
          And you, I see, is the guard on duty on this line today?

          So you are on duty today on this line from the wrestlers?
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter April 16 2021 09: 04
            +5
            Quote: KKND
            So you are on duty today on this line from the wrestlers?

            laughingfunny. I see no point in fighting the "TV", you, fellow citizens, will win the "refrigerator" and it will be very soon yes
            1. Santa Fe
              Santa Fe April 16 2021 09: 09
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              I see no point in fighting the "TV", you, fellow citizens, will win the "refrigerator" and it will be very soon

              "Refrigerator" has not been able to defeat "TV" in any country

              A simple example is the DPRK
              1. KKND
                KKND April 16 2021 09: 20
                -2
                So this is a bot, it makes no sense to argue with him. His job is to carry on such propaganda, most likely he himself does not believe in what he writes.
                But still, the sharply reduced standard of living of the masses leaves them no choice but to protest or revolt. If there is nothing to eat, there is no longer any point to be afraid.
                As for the DPRK, there is no hunger there. Considering their last parade with equipment, the question arises which elves riveted for them there?
                What if the stories about hunger and ultra-low living standards are just Western propaganda? Of course they are not chic, but how can you rivet such a technique while dying of hunger in a barracks? The work of convicts is possible, but their population is not so large, so you can remain without citizens.
              2. Civil
                Civil April 16 2021 13: 40
                +3
                Quote: Santa Fe
                I see no point in fighting the "TV", you, fellow citizens, will win the "refrigerator" and it will be very soon

                "Refrigerator" has not been able to defeat "TV" in any country

                A simple example is the DPRK

                And that's how it is.
              3. Serg65
                Serg65 April 16 2021 14: 53
                +2
                hi Greetings Oleg, I haven't seen your articles for a long time! Have you abandoned this case?
                1. Santa Fe
                  Santa Fe April 17 2021 02: 21
                  +2
                  Hello Sergey, don't forget about such an author)

                  Now I'm preparing one about ships. I want to do it with high quality and beautifully, time is not enough
                  1. Serg65
                    Serg65 April 19 2021 07: 05
                    +1
                    Quote: Santa Fe
                    do not forget about such an author)

                    Well, my friend, Oleg Kaptsov is a legend IN! good
                    Quote: Santa Fe
                    Now I'm preparing one about ships

                    We are waiting, waiting ... good luck! drinks
            2. Boris55
              Boris55 April 16 2021 09: 33
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              Quote: Stroporez
              I see no point in fighting "TV"

              "He called himself a load - get into the basket."

              The Airborne Forces are the troops of the reserve of the supreme commander-in-chief (president). If you do not agree with him, then change your username. Do not disgrace yourself or the Airborne Forces (or maybe this is your goal?)

              As for TV, you need to know how to watch it. Not listening to biased announcers, but listening to what the story is about.

              During perestroika it was interesting to watch the news through different channels. Let's say Zyuganov spoke. On one channel, they start his speech and draw their conclusion. On the other - the middle of the speech and make their own conclusion, on the third - the end of the speech and make their own conclusion. All conclusions are different, but the presentation is the same ...

              In my opinion, it is better to watch (correctly) our TV than the TV of our enemies ...
              Brother Ivanushka did not listen to his sister Alyonushka and he became a goat ...
              No matter how thirst torments you, do not repeat his "feat" ...



              The tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it, a lesson to a good fellow!
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter April 16 2021 12: 15
                +8
                Quote: Boris55
                The Airborne Forces are the troops of the reserve of the supreme commander-in-chief (president). If you do not agree with him, then change your username. Do not disgrace yourself or the Airborne Forces (or maybe this is your goal?)

                Hey hey! Don't touch my Beret, all the more since when I served in the SA in the troops of Uncle Vasya, no one had even heard of your Lilliputik, and then he was only one of some majors and a supernumerary head of the club. Neither then, not knowing, and even more so, now I did not feel any respect and sympathy for this brow, the usual excrement of Elcinism.
                I will not stop repeating, many people think that they have climbed to the top, but in fact, they have surfaced there.
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 April 16 2021 14: 56
                  -5
                  laughing Valera, here everything VO already knows that the Airborne Forces and you are incompatible!
                  1. Sling cutter
                    Sling cutter April 16 2021 18: 45
                    0
                    Quote: Serg65
                    Serg65

                    Ha, Seryozha, according to your scenario, I have to break out with righteous abuse and show you your place in the social food chain with photos and addresses? Tanunafik laughing
                    PySy.You would send it a kilo to herbalife, to your homies, to the fireman and twirl, it's hard for them in worn-out shoes laughing laughing laughing
                    1. Serg65
                      Serg65 April 19 2021 07: 48
                      0
                      Quote: Stroporez
                      Ha, Seryozha, according to your scenario, I must break out with righteous abuse and show you your place in the social food chain with photos and addresses?

                      Well, citizen Hirin, everything is ahead and the tanunafik is the same! wink
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter April 19 2021 14: 17
                        0
                        Quote: Serg65
                        Well, citizen Hirin, everything is ahead and the tanunafik is the same!

                        Gee-gee, well, thank God, everyone met yes wassat
                        reconnaissance in force was successful wink laughing
                        Hence the question, how is the channel different from the sewage system? lol
                2. Boris55
                  Boris55 April 17 2021 07: 39
                  -9
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  Don't touch my Beret, the more so when I served in the SA

                  The armed forces, including the Airborne Forces, are designed to protect the state from external enemies, regardless of the social system and the name of the head of state. During the coexistence of Russia, not a single social system and even more of its leaders changed, and Russia, as it was, so it is, and it will be.

                  Today, the West dreams of removing Putin and installing Dimon - this is one of the reasons why he quietly left the premiership in the hope that the people will forget all the nasty things that he did as president and, thanks to their media, will again become president and the resources of Russia will prolong the agony of the West ... ...

                  I do not want to think that you, like the West, dream of the death of Russia.

                  Is there something I don't like about Putin? Yes, but I will not talk about it and help the enemies of Russia in the beheading of the country, which will lead to its collapse.
            3. Volder
              Volder April 16 2021 11: 59
              .
              Quote: Stroporez
              you, fellow citizens, will win the "refrigerator" and it will be very soon
              You yourself are not disgusted with saying nothing? Russia has been setting records for agricultural products for several years now. We provide food not only for ourselves, but also for other countries. Even the US Army was supplied with chicken. There are NO prerequisites for empty shelves in stores.
              1. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter April 16 2021 12: 18
                -1
                Quote: Volder
                We provide food not only for ourselves, but also for other countries. Even the US Army was supplied with chicken. There are NO prerequisites for empty shelves in stores.

                I want details! Trolley))))
                The shelves of chains full of products do not at all mean the possibility of their purchase by the population, in view of the lack of funds! (Money)
              2. DominickS
                DominickS April 16 2021 12: 35
                +14
                Do you also propose to sculpt microelectronics from chicken? laughing
              3. Fan-fan
                Fan-fan April 16 2021 22: 09
                +5
                What products are there? Solid palm oils. You can't buy all the milk and cheese - it's poison. Can I have sausages? Recently bought some sausages and couldn't eat. Who is it for?
                A couple of months ago I bought a can of sprat, produced in the Crimea, mastered a couple of spoons and threw out the can. Why produce such products? And condensed milk, and lumpy carcass? Is there food control in the country or not? These are not products, they are disgusting.
                1. Doliva63
                  Doliva63 April 18 2021 19: 16
                  +3
                  Quote: Fan-Fan
                  What products are there? Solid palm oils. You can't buy all the milk and cheese - it's poison. Can I have sausages? Recently bought some sausages and couldn't eat. Who is it for?
                  A couple of months ago I bought a can of sprat, produced in the Crimea, mastered a couple of spoons and threw out the can. Why produce such products? And condensed milk, and lumpy carcass? Is there food control in the country or not? These are not products, they are disgusting.

                  You don't understand anything. This is not disgusting, but retribution for jeans and chewing gum in return for the Motherland. Judas are no longer worthy.
              4. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 April 17 2021 00: 01
                +6
                And what about the rising food prices with the already not very high incomes of the bulk of the population falling, nothing is written about this in your manual?
      5. sniperino
        sniperino April 16 2021 11: 00
        .
        Quote: Soho
        All right, let's go get registered laughing now everyone will run in - well, of course, such a reason laughing
        The theme was created as if specially for them, like a score for a choir of mourners.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter April 16 2021 12: 25
          0
          Quote: sniperino
          The theme was created as if specially for them, like a score for a choir of mourners.

          here you are prode on the comments of a fighting Boy, but I can't understand why you are so attached to Putinism, calling those who disagree, mourners ?!
          1. Civil
            Civil April 16 2021 13: 42
            +5
            Quote: Stroporez

            here you are prode on the comments of a fighting Boy, but I can't understand why you are so attached to Putinism, calling those who disagree, mourners ?!

            It depends on who came under this name))) people are different on duty.
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 April 16 2021 14: 58
              -3
              Quote: Civil
              people are different on duty.

              By the way, about the watch ... your sect, as if on alarm, all gathered here! laughing
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 April 17 2021 00: 06
          +4
          In your opinion, we should be glad that the country is slowly going into a ragdoll?
    3. Doccor18
      Doccor18 April 16 2021 08: 34
      +13
      Quote: Far In
      Yes, we are already in this club. Do not indulge in the most.

      Moreover, we go deeper and deeper ... And this is in the presence of such talented youth ... It is very disappointing.

      The article did not reveal anything new. But the conclusions surprised
      The main factor is the system that has developed since Soviet times, when fundamental science is divorced from the real sector of the economy.

      I don’t know how it was torn off there, but, for example, the watch industry was at the forefront of the world. And the Swiss were eager to buy Soviet watches. The lag went closer to the 80s ..., but was due only to inept leadership and the dying of the "idea of ​​moving socialism forward" ...
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter April 16 2021 09: 00
        +1
        Quote: Doccor18
        The lag went closer to the 80s ...,

        Greetings, Comrade! hi And Energia-Buran ?! Honestly, there was no lagging behind, the USSR really did not have a couple of five-year plans to become the leading country in the world in all areas and industries, because even before its "death" in 90-91, the USSR showed economic growth more than 7-8%, which naturally knew, as Tatra says, the enemies of the Communists and the destruction of the world's first socialist state, was the main task of the West, which they solved at the expense of the betrayal of Gorbachev and Co.
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 April 16 2021 09: 13
          +11
          hi Good day!
          Quote: Stroporez
          Quote: Doccor18
          The lag went closer to the 80s ...,

          The USSR really lacked a couple of five-year plans to become the leading country in the world in all areas and industries ...

          As a true patriot of the USSR, I do not consider myself an indiscriminate optimist.
          Even so, the USSR was still a long way from being "leading in all branches" ... But the most important thing is that the process was going in the right direction, all branches of domestic industry were modernized and developed, and science was moving by leaps and bounds. They lagged slightly behind Japan, Germany and the USA in electronics, etc., but this lag was not critical and, after some time, could be leveled. Here I completely agree with you.
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter April 16 2021 09: 50
            -6
            Quote: Doccor18
            They lagged slightly behind Japan, Germany and the USA in electronics, etc., but this lag was not critical and, after some time, could be leveled.

            The question is debatable, if we consider it from the point of view of consumer goods, for example, the Grundik TV set or the Panasonic two-cassette system were cooler than their Soviet counterparts, but at the same time, the Oktava plant, in addition to the defense industry, made microphones that were bought by the whole world. there's no point. But for example, the same "eight-nines", "Moskvich 2141", "ZIL", "Chaika" were quite competitive in the world arena. Again, civil aviation, a whole line of excellent cars, starting from the "maize" with a ticket in the region in 2-3 rubles and ending with the transcontinental "IL-86-96"!
            And now look what a "quantum" leap the West has made, including Geyrop after 91!
            And this is all due to our technologies, resources, scientific research, "transferred-stolen-sold" by hump-ebno-Putinism.
            A simple example, "bast shoe" MIG-105 !!! Evil tongues claim that the Bureau of Mig transferred the documentation to the Ministry of Defense, but how it ended up in the hands of sworn "partners" is apparently known to the Field Marshal-Generalissimo, a Tuvan shaman.
          2. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 April 17 2021 00: 15
            0
            Quote: Doccor18
            But most importantly, the process was going in the right direction.

            The process did not go in the right direction, and that is why, in the end, the country came to the well-known events of 1991.
            Quote: Doccor18
            after some time, it could be leveled

            It couldn't. Most people still do not even have the rudiments of socialist consciousness, let alone that time.
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 April 17 2021 08: 57
              0
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              .. Most people still do not even have the rudiments of socialist consciousness ...

              What kind of people? The USSR has not been for 30 years. Even those who are now 40 and a little over have a very vague and mediocre idea of ​​socialism .. And 50-year-olds, too, for the most part, cannot be called ardent supporters of the outgoing era, because they were born at a time when the true reasons for building bright future were blurred, chattered, slandered and ridiculed. These symbols, in which my parents believe to this day, and their parents believed until the last day of their lives, have turned into a spectacle and a farce for the eighties. So what kind of people are you writing about?
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 April 17 2021 09: 20
                +1
                Quote: Doccor18
                What kind of people? The USSR has not been for 30 years already.

                So what? And before the USSR, where did this consciousness come from in people? A new social consciousness always arises in the old system of social and economic relations from the awareness of the contradictions of this system and the awareness of the possibility of building a better system.
                1. Doccor18
                  Doccor18 April 17 2021 09: 41
                  0
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  A new social consciousness always arises in the old system ...

                  It is born - yes, but it develops and takes on a conscious and slender appearance already with a new ...
        2. Santa Fe
          Santa Fe April 16 2021 09: 17
          -4
          after all, even before the very "death" in 90-91, the USSR showed economic growth of more than 7-8%,

          So what fell apart

          As for the planned economy, the USSR has been actively building it since the late 1920s. Why did it take as long as 60 years for it to collapse (despite the fact that it endured the hardest war in the history of mankind)

          The arms race in the 1980s was certainly a significant burden, but it was not unique to the country either. Since its inception, the economy of the USSR has been sharpened for war. In the 1930s. a huge number of military factories, design bureaus, etc. were built in the USSR. But this did not lead to the collapse of the USSR.

          The experience of North Korea, where people have been living in a state of permanent hunger for many years, suggests that the lack of basic goods is not a sufficient reason for the collapse of the state.

          CIA machinations? It's funny.

          By the mid-1980s, it became clear that the USSR no longer had any ideas for development. There are no masses of peasants who can be driven from the countryside to the city. There are no inspired students and machine operators who are ready to raise the virgin soil. There are no new explored deposits of oil, gas, gold and other minerals. So I had to, in fact, close the shop.

          (From the article by M. Mironov)
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter April 16 2021 09: 26
            -6
            Quote: Santa Fe
            (From the article by M. Mironov)

            And this is hto? If that lisp, Duc, I'm generally surprised that he can write, but if he suddenly knows how, then he clearly does not shine with his mind.
          2. KKND
            KKND April 16 2021 09: 41
            0
            Quote: Santa Fe
            So what fell apart

            Nothing. In the 40s and 60s, the citizens of the USSR worked like damned people, they restored the country after the war, rushed into space, a huge number of breakthroughs. The Cold War with the Americans was going well. In the 70s, the forces to work for citizens began to end, but by inertia the country lived, in the 80s the forces finally ended, the lag behind the Americans in space, electronics, etc. became noticeable with the naked eye.
            Why did the Roman Empire collapse? Historians say veiledly - she was exhausted.
            The forces of the citizens to build, to fight is over.
            Living organisms are given a limited amount of "energy" at birth. Stress (the impact of the external environment) wastes this energy. That is why organisms are so weak in old age and so strong in youth.
            The state is an aggregate of living organisms, to some extent a "superorganism".
            This is not a theory from Ren TV. Scientists do not reliably understand about the "superorganism" (too difficult), but the theory of stress is a generally accepted medical theory. Punch through the wiki if you don’t believe it.
            1. Galleon
              Galleon April 16 2021 11: 37
              +7
              Interesting thought about the end of forces. Still, you have reasons to find why your strength has run out. Do you want to suggest your reason? - because people realized that they have no rights and nothing depends on them. They do not even have the right to self-defense. Now there is not even the strength to protest - because there are still no rights and no one will be heard. Something like this was the case with work in late socialism: work - do not work, but you will get it like a drunk at a nearby machine. 4 hundred parts cottage? Garden house 4x4m?
              And now who is older - the easier it is to go to the ground, like me, and the young - to fly up somewhere where they live more honorably. There are such places.
              1. KKND
                KKND April 16 2021 12: 06
                0
                Quote: Galleon
                Still, you have reasons to find why your strength has run out.

                Yes, the reason is unknown to me.
                Quote: Galleon
                Something like this was the case with work in late socialism: work - do not work, but you will get it like a drunk at a nearby machine. 4 hundred parts cottage? Garden house 4x4m?

                Well, people of the early or middle period of the USSR were not particularly worried about the lack of decent compensation for their work. They just worked.
                Of course, the system punished the initiative, did not give the worthy social lifts. Moreover, the system could not cleanse itself of parasites by natural selection (if we omit Stalin's methods).
                But people worked hard even in such conditions. Then stagnation set in.
                As in a joke: how do the Komsomol members of the 30s differ from the Komsomol members of the 80s? One was on the shoulder, the other did not care (to put it mildly).
                In general, opinions can be very different and almost all of them are correct in their own way, just chatting is not standing behind a drawing board, for example, don't tell me here, but on the topic of the article, we are following the path of the late USSR now, despite capitalism.
                1. Galleon
                  Galleon April 16 2021 13: 17
                  +4
                  Quote: KKND
                  we are now following the path of the late USSR in spite of capitalism

                  Here everything is more or less clear. The reason is the change in legislation: the abandonment of industry pricing systems and the transfer of the salary fund completely into the hands of the heads of enterprises. Hence the salaries of 20000 rocket assembly engineers.
          3. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 16 2021 12: 52
            -1
            Quote: Santa Fe
            CIA machinations? It's funny.

            Tell that to CIA Director Gates, who held his victory parade in Red Square in 92nd.
          4. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 April 17 2021 08: 08
            +1
            Quote: Santa Fe
            The experience of North Korea, where people have been living in a state of permanent hunger for many years, suggests that the lack of basic goods is not a sufficient reason for the collapse of the state.

            The experience of North Korea only says that the replacement of one slaveholding system for another in a country with long-standing slaveholding traditions and the public consciousness of a slaveholding society does not change anything.
            Quote: Santa Fe
            There are no masses of peasants who can be driven from the countryside to the city.

            Oha, oha. And who then still travels from village to city? Virtual villagers? Cheap demagogic chatter.
  4. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 April 16 2021 05: 29
    +11
    To have science, you need to invest in it. But our expenses on science are several times lower than the expenses of practically any other civilized countries. This is a percentage of GDP, in monetary terms, spending on science in China and the United States exceeds ours by almost a thousand times.
    And without firewood, as you know, the stove does not heat.
    This is one side of the problem. Another is that under the current management system, even an increase in spending on science at times will not help - they will be plundered along the way. There is no demand for the deed.
    Changing the system is the only way now. The entire layer of officials of parasites should be relocated to more northern regions.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir April 16 2021 07: 25
      +2
      But our expenses for science are several times lower.
      If only costs would optimize everything they could reach
      Recently, news agencies reported that the Academic University, the brainchild of the Nobel laureate, the great Soviet and Russian physicist Zhores Alferov, was being destroyed in St. Petersburg. (This was also reported by "Soviet Russia" on April 3.04.2021, XNUMX).
    2. Doccor18
      Doccor18 April 16 2021 08: 50
      +6
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      The entire layer of officials of parasites should be relocated to more northern regions.

      What's the point? New will be different?
      This will not solve the problem.
      First, the government must be independent. And the central bank, and other state. institutions ...
      Secondly, there should be personal responsibility of any state. employee for solving each specific issue.
      Thirdly, the state. employees must be patriots of their country. And this is not a chant or slogan. It should be so. And it is necessary to educate the patriots of the country with the help of competent propaganda, and not that "toothless" one, which, apart from a grin and sarcasm, causes nothing.
      This is in theory ... But who at the top needs all this ..? They are already doing great ...
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 April 17 2021 08: 14
        +1
        Quote: Doccor18
        And you need to educate the patriots of the country with the help of propaganda,

        What kind of propaganda? All this talk about a common homeland ends immediately when it comes time to share the results of labor. And as a result, someone yachts palaces and other blessings of the world, and someone a mortgage is similar to slavery, a beggarly salary, a gradual deterioration of the social system and chatter about how to love the Motherland from those who trade it without conscience and rob their people.
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 April 17 2021 08: 39
          0
          Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
          All this talk about a common homeland ends immediately when it comes time to share the results of labor ...

          Everything is not easy ... But does love for the Motherland always depend on material well-being?
          There were many examples when the most oppressed and needy strata of the population were the true patriots, while the wealthy "elite" calmly betrayed the first ...
          And you still have to educate. You can't get away from this, a person without awareness of his homeland, his nationality is an orphan ...
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 April 17 2021 09: 14
            -2
            To bother with nationality in the era of globalization and the colossal achievements of scientific and technological revolution is stupid archaism. You are human and it sounds proud. And all the achievements of humanity are yours. But if you strike into nationalism, you immediately become defective to the point of disgrace.
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 April 17 2021 09: 33
              0
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              To bother with nationality in the era of globalization and the colossal achievements of scientific and technological revolution is stupid archaism.

              Familiar, I heard ...
              "Where they pay more, there is homeland" ...
              Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
              But if you strike into nationalism, you immediately become defective to the point of disgrace.

              Nationalism and Nazism are NOT the same thing.
              Nationalism is an ideology and direction of politics, the fundamental principle of which is the thesis about the value of the nation as the highest form of social unity, its primacy in the state-forming process.

              What is "flawed" here?
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 April 17 2021 09: 40
                -2
                Quote: Doccor18
                Where they pay more, there is a homeland

                This is the essence of capitalist relations.
                Quote: Doccor18
                Nationalism and Nazism are NOT the same thing.

                Less than a step from one to the other. Fortunately, these concepts do not exist in a vacuum, they themselves exist within the framework of socio-economic relations and, in fact, are their generation.
                Quote: Doccor18
                What is "flawed" here?

                Because everything has its time. Today, having knowledge and understanding of the processes of development of society, it is simply ridiculous, stupid, reactionary to talk about the exceptional importance of national division.
                1. Doccor18
                  Doccor18 April 17 2021 09: 50
                  -1
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  ... to talk about the exceptional importance of national division is simply ridiculous, stupid, reactionary.

                  Not division, but union.
                  It is the unification on a national basis (all other unions do not have such stability) that is sometimes the only correct decision in a period of difficult political and economic trials. And scientific and technological revolution is not an obstacle or help, even just an argument in this matter.
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 April 17 2021 09: 56
                    0
                    Quote: Doccor18
                    Not division, but union.

                    Such a union is exactly what separates. Hindering the further development of mankind, taking away colossal resources for the maintenance of the administrative and military machine, national division plays into the hands of capital in its desire to win in the competitive struggle provoking severe crises. With a hefty cost of getting out of them. No thanks. I don’t need such a union.
    3. Volder
      Volder April 16 2021 12: 11
      -4
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      But our expenses on science are several times lower than the expenses of practically any other civilized countries. This is a percentage of GDP, in monetary terms, spending on science in China and the United States exceeds ours by almost a thousand times.
      However, the United States and China are lagging behind Russia in the development of new types of weapons and in the development of energy. And in space, we are lagging behind only the United States and China, and NOT a thousand times, but only in satellite launches. Russia lives within its means, so we have a low external / public debt, as well as a positive trade balance (foreign trade balance). It is not for nothing that they say in the West that Putin plays well with bad cards in his hands.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 April 16 2021 14: 32
        +3
        Quote: Volder
        However, the United States and China are lagging behind Russia in the development of new types of weapons, in the development of energy

        Who told you, Kiselev or Prokopenko? wink
        Quote: Volder
        And in space, we are lagging behind only the United States and China, and NOT a thousand times, but only in satellite launches.

        Do you know that the effect of investments in science manifests itself over the years?
        Quote: Volder
        It is not for nothing that they say in the West that Putin plays well with bad cards in his hands.

        Are you going to burn out? Putin got the country with the largest resource base, with still a working industry, which could still be easily rebuilt after the 90s. Are these bad cards in your opinion? belay
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 16 2021 06: 17
    .
    Now, if the situation is changing, it is very slow.
    Better slowly, but in the direction of improvement than nothing at all. Yes, slowly, but under what conditions and in what environment? Constant economic and political pressure from the West, permanent sanctions ...
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 16 2021 06: 23
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Better slowly, but in the direction of improvement than nothing at all

      If the movement is really in the direction of improvement. In fact, it is a stable regression.
    2. Far B
      Far B April 16 2021 06: 25
      +8
      Better slowly, but in the direction of improvement than nothing at all
      In what areas is the improvement taking place, do not list? Well, just curious - maybe my eyes are growing on the wrong side of my head.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 April 16 2021 06: 31
        .
        It is useless for you to list. I do not know from which side your "eyes grow" (probably confused with something else), but nevertheless, apart from "EM", "Rain" and Novaya Gazeta "it is necessary to draw information from other sources as well.
        1. Far B
          Far B April 16 2021 06: 37
          +7
          "EM", "Rain" and Novaya Gazeta "
          I do not read anything from the above. Can you tell me what news they print in these media?
          It's useless for you to list
          Or do you have nothing to list?
          1. Ka-52
            Ka-52 April 16 2021 06: 52
            -8
            Or do you have nothing to list?

            I will not talk about other areas (unfounded, imitating you). But in the specifics where I work, quite large developments are taking place. Both in the field of metallurgy and in the field of metal processing and in the field of gas dynamics and in the field of thermodynamics and in the field of software. What was considered unattainable 15-20 years ago is now being implemented in specific developments. And young talented guys from us and from the Moscow Aviation Institute and Moscow State Technical University. N.E.Bauman and SSAU. You just try to read something other than the manuals
            1. Far B
              Far B April 16 2021 07: 09
              +10
              And where did I say something about the developments? Do not confuse you with scrambled eggs. There can be a lot of work time, thank God, there have always been enough smart people in Russia. But the developments are the developments. They can remain on paper or in a prototype. When will these developments be put into operation? What kind of high-tech product of domestic development and domestic production do we load the world market with? It is precisely about the production of high-tech products. Or, in the words of the founder of the branch, the captain60, a slow change in the situation towards improvement. Where is it? in what area?
              1. Ka-52
                Ka-52 April 16 2021 07: 22
                -4
                Do not confuse you with scrambled eggs

                no, I probably confused the sane person with you.
                They can remain on paper or in a prototype. When will these developments be put into operation?

                Well, go at least to the corporate website of Saturn and read what new developments have been introduced into production. At least for the military, at least for civilian engines. Or, in your screams from the turbojet engine couch, is this not a technological or science-intensive development? Do you have any idea what the technology of casting hollow wide-chord blades is? And how to develop it without scientific research in the field of metal science? Yes, in general, read what a GTE is - it seems that in your head it is not more complicated than a stool. You would definitely have piled it with one left
                1. aglet
                  aglet April 16 2021 08: 47
                  +2
                  "You would definitely have piled it with one left"
                  and maybe I would have piled if I had that kind of money for development. but why, with such tremendous successes in casting hollow wide-chord blades, can we not make a gtu for ships? what is the meaning of these successes? in the fact that they are in a single copy, and do not affect the level of production development at all?
                  1. Ka-52
                    Ka-52 April 16 2021 09: 03
                    -3
                    and maybe I would have piled if I had that kind of money for development.

                    to "pile" to know WHAT to sculpt. And without knowledge you won't even put together a stool. Even if "you will not sculpt yourself, but entrust it to some specialists, then you need to at least draw up a technical assignment. And how will you draw up a technical assignment without understanding the principle? Like" I want it to spin, and there it was squalling "? laughing
                    with such tremendous successes in casting hollow wide-chord blades, we can not make a gtu for ships?

                    But what about the M70 and M90 series?
                    1. aglet
                      aglet April 17 2021 07: 30
                      -1
                      "But what about the M70 and M90 series?"
                      which ones were invented in the 80s? have you heard about the opupey with the turbines of the arctic? and why do you think that only you understand the principles? some people not only understand the principles, but also understand the details
                      1. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 April 19 2021 05: 51
                        0
                        but they also understand the details

                        yeah? Well, come on, an expert on gas turbine engines developed in the 80s, just indicate the averaged value of the identification coefficient in the thermogasdynamic parameters of these gas turbine engines and modern ones, or, for example, k a decrease in polytropic efficiency in the LPC due to the gas turbine engine? In general, what is the difference between their SPGs? And what about the method of cooling the blades? And the size of the CPV? Let's see what you can do except poke your finger at the minuses)
                      2. aglet
                        aglet April 19 2021 09: 06
                        -1
                        "well, let's go, GTE expert"
                        I am not an expert on the state of the art, I do not need them. Therefore, they are not interesting. but, for sure, there are experts who understand this better than you.
                        "the averaged value of the identification coefficient in the thermogasdynamic parameters of these gas turbine engines and modern ones, or, for example, k of the decrease in polytropic efficiency in the LPC due to the gas turbine engine? And in general, what is the difference between their ACS? And the method of cooling the blades?
                        You were looking for it in Gugel for two days? and, the origin of the m70 from the 80s does not make you indignant?
                        and by the way, what does "M" mean?
                      3. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 April 19 2021 10: 13
                        0
                        You were looking for it in Gugel for two days?

                        Why should I search if I work for a manufacturing company? Try another way of trolling, this one draws 8 grades + vocational school on your forehead. And for two days I was on the weekend, in nature. Why do I need to stuff my head with reading all sorts of nonsense
                        there are specialists who understand this better than you.

                        and I do not pretend to be a "title" :))) any designer from our office understands hardware better than me. Especially in specific matters
                        and, the origin of the m70 from the 80s does not make you indignant?

                        absolutely does not cause. For example, the PD-30, the newest "thirty-ton" aircraft, is being developed. But here the GG for it is taken from the NK-32, the 80gg engine, and everything else (LPC, gearbox, injection pump and ACS) is newly developed. It seems to be "on the base", but half is fresh. And so in everything. The same Soviet NK-32 differs in many ways from the Russian NK-32-02.
                      4. aglet
                        aglet April 19 2021 10: 33
                        -1
                        "any constructor from our office understands hardware better than me."
                        well, that is, you are not a designer, just sitting next to you? and you are still diligently modernizing and, perhaps, even producing them, one piece a year, but under your own names, right? and what does the letter "M" mean?
                      5. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 April 19 2021 10: 42
                        0
                        well, that is, you are not a designer, just sitting next to you?

                        Well, at least I'm "sitting next to", but you are so generally
                        I am not an expert on the state of the art, I do not need them. Therefore, they are not interesting.

                        so which of us has more reason to claim? Although in the world of Internet trollolo people like you are much more "specialist", judging by the abundance of air concussions on such sites laughing
                        and what does the letter "M" mean?

                        means that it is a cruising GTE. For some reason it was walking that it was "sea", but initially it was still not so.
                      6. aglet
                        aglet April 19 2021 11: 01
                        -1
                        "so which of us has more reason to claim?"
                        reasons that you have, that I have, that any visitor is a completely equal number. you are not an expert, neither am I, but I do not hide it, and you diligently inflate your cheeks. initially it was about the fact that we do not have factories that can build a GTD for large ships, only for boats, and that the so-called breakthrough m70 and m90 are from the USSR. and you started stories about wide-profile blades, about saturn ooo, about identification coefficients in thermogasdynamic parameters, instead of honestly saying, yes, we don't know how, and nowhere, and we buy engines in China, and all over the world, where we agree to sell. and "M" means sea, but, again, m70, which is made in Rybinsk, is intended for ships on the VP, and not for large ships
                      7. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 April 19 2021 12: 03
                        0
                        and "M" means sea, but, again, m70, which is made in Rybinsk, is intended for ships on the VP, and not for large ships

                        there is no need to reprint Wikipedia and Internet articles. Any GTE does not have a narrow specialization. It can be used as an aircraft engine, as well as a component of a gas turbine unit. The same NK-32 can easily get on the ship, the question of the gearbox. There is no classification "marine" in principle. There are one-, two, three-shaft GTEs, lifting, lifting-marching, cruising and auxiliary GTEs.
                        and you diligently puff out your cheeks.

                        it says in you an inferiority complex. You feel disliked and wounded towards anyone who understands the essence of the matter more. Everything is as simple as 2x2 laughing
                        instead of honestly saying, yes, we do not know how, and nowhere, and we buy engines in China, and all over the world, where we agree to sell.

                        Well, for these agreements on the VO there is a sect of "flat earth believers." They constantly graze in sections with whining, they say, everything is bad and fell apart. You go there, to them. yes but laughed about the purchase of aviation gas turbine engines in China laughing it turns out that we are buying the RD-33 from China, and not they are from us laughing
                        called breakthrough m70 and m90 come from the ussr.

                        yap you pea. I did not call these engines breakthrough. Let's see how it was not your alternative reality, but here, on VO:
                        Your question
                        Can't we make a gtu for ships?

                        my answer
                        But what about the M70 and M90 series?

                        where is the word "breakthrough" here? The question was what needed to be done - they did it. And they did better than it was. And your whining about "neschmagla" is like a dog barking - the caravan goes lol
                        ps these are the opponents today. Incompetent and also liars. Do you want to impress me with something? What for? Well, you threw stupid shit on VO into our industry, did you feel better?
                      8. aglet
                        aglet April 20 2021 08: 00
                        0
                        "Any GTE does not have a narrow specialization."
                        what a stormy torrent, but there is no specifics. I remind you once again that it was not about the fact that nk32 (by the way, Soviet design) can be attached to the ship, but that there is no one to build a gas turbine engine for the navy, which the Ukrainians used to build, now there is no one to build, saturn ooo with m70 - this is for boats and boats. and when it is profitable for you, you cite m70 as an example of what, oh what we, even m70 did, and when it is not profitable, I just said so. it was not about aircraft engines, do not juggle, it was about engines for large ships, readiness times are constantly moving to the right, as they say now, due to the fact that there are no engines. And yet, there is a sect of flat earth witnesses, and there is a sect of witnesses of the site made by us. it is not known from whom it is more harmful
                      9. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 April 20 2021 08: 06
                        0
                        jokes from clowns on VO continue laughing
                        nk32 (by the way, Soviet development),

                        laughing
                        GTD for the Navy, which the Ukrainians used to build, now there is no one to build

                        laughing
                        it was about engines for large ships,

                        laughing laughing laughing

                        have you tried drinking less fake alcohol? Something completely you went with a causal relationship No.
                        ps do not write me pzhl. more. All the same, I have not immeasurable ability to endure any delirium.
                      10. aglet
                        aglet April 21 2021 08: 30
                        0
                        "nk32 (by the way, Soviet development),
                        GTD for the Navy, which the Ukrainians used to build, now there is no one to build
                        it was about engines for large ships, "
                        what's wrong here?
                        "Have you tried drinking less counterfeit alcohol? You just went with a causal relationship."
                        when there are not enough arguments, they always switch to the person-law of the dispute. I won't write anymore, calm down, I'm tired of you
                      11. Ka-52
                        Ka-52 April 21 2021 08: 41
                        +1
                        what's wrong here?

                        all wrong
                        when there are not enough arguments, they always get personal

                        I have specific arguments in each comment. In response - half-and-half nonsense with "nivera". When a person is lying or is just crazy, I tell him this directly. I see no reason to hide this under the guise of conventions.
                        calm down, I'm tired of you

                        Well, on "you" communicate with your friends in the club of alcoholics anonymous. And about "tired" I laughed laughing I am so "bored" that I just can't fight off you, even by persuasion not to write to me anymore laughing
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 16 2021 09: 01
    +3
    Quote: Ka-52
    ... and in the field of software.

    ... And young talented guys from us and from the Moscow Aviation Institute and Moscow State Technical University. N.E.Bauman and SSAU.


    In the field of software, we (where I work) have some kind of quiet horror ... Why? I can not tell. It seems that the domestic developer also worked a lot of time, but at the exit (for very decent money) something uncomfortable came out, with a lot of minor imperfections and outright blunders. And the correction of everything (under the guarantee agreement), which was indicated in the process of work, is very burdensome, tedious and with barely concealed irritation ...
    And as for the talented Russian guys-programmers, yes, I've heard. But where are they all?
    1. Darkesstcat
      Darkesstcat April 16 2021 13: 23
      +3
      They work to the west, it's stupidly more profitable.
  • Soho
    Soho April 16 2021 06: 49
    -5
    Precisely with the wrong
    1. Far B
      Far B April 16 2021 06: 52
      +2
      Precisely with the wrong
      So tell me which way to look. Or also essentially nothing to say?
      1. Soho
        Soho April 16 2021 07: 51
        -9
        Well, a colleague answered you above, but you could not give birth to anything besides the dull "niver" laughing how is the prisoner in Pokrov doing there? Do you collect funds for transfers? fellow
  • Volder
    Volder April 16 2021 12: 49
    -3
    Quote: Dalny V
    In what areas is the improvement taking place, do not list? Well, just curious - maybe my eyes are growing on the wrong side of my head.
    In order to keep abreast of Russia's successes, I recommend subscribing to the YouTube channels: RussianPost, Time - Forward !, Putin-tuday, good analytics from Yuri Podolyak. Since 2000, improvements have been made in nuclear energy, agriculture, shipbuilding, railways, the gas sector, and even in machine-tool building (I mean revival). They are also working hard on import substitution. In general, look at the correct sources, not liberal-Russophobic.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan April 16 2021 22: 29
      0
      I recommend subscribing to YouTube channels: ....
      And on these channels they will not tell how much less schools, hospitals, factories and factories are becoming. These channels will not tell how many young scientists out of those 300 thousand who flee to the west every year. They won't tell you that over the past year the population of Russia has decreased by 600 thousand. Why they flee, but because they do not believe the authorities, are afraid of police arbitrariness and are afraid to simply die of an illness, they will not be cured.
  • Cottodraton
    Cottodraton April 16 2021 06: 35
    +8
    Vshe- is one of the culprits of what is happening and perhaps even the main one. It was these would-be economists who wrote all the plans for the "development of the Russian Federation" for years to come. Now these clowns are trying to "analyze" ... They do not write a report on the collapse for their own curators ... a report on the work done, so to speak
  • Lepsik
    Lepsik April 16 2021 06: 40
    +4
    - Therefore, the authors from the HSE consider

    The usual HSE nonsense. In the 90s, they told tales that production in the Russian Federation was economically unprofitable.
    1. KKND
      KKND April 16 2021 08: 41
      -7
      Quote: Lepsik
      The usual HSE nonsense. In the 90s, they told tales that production in the Russian Federation was economically unprofitable.

      Sorry, I don’t know about what the HSE said, but in the 90s, or rather in 1999, the book by FSB Colonel Andrey Parshev “Why Russia is not America” was published, where he just proves that in Russia manufacturing is not profitable (cold), and mining is profitable (for export and domestic consumption).
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 April 16 2021 09: 30
        +3
        Quote: KKND
        ... proves that in Russia manufacturing is not profitable (cold), and mining is profitable (for export and domestic consumption).

        For capitalist Russia, yes, you are right. It's cheaper to produce a pair of sneakers in Surabaya than in Surgut or Irkutsk.
        And for a socialist, people-oriented Russia - it does not matter. For when the state is the only owner, all production capacities inside cannot be "unprofitable", "unprofitable", they cannot be "bankrupt" ... They can only be "necessary" or "unnecessary".
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 16 2021 16: 26
          -5
          And for a socialist, people-oriented Russia, it does not matter. For when the state is the only owner, all production capacities inside cannot be "unprofitable", "unprofitable", they cannot be "bankrupt" ... They can only be "necessary" or "unnecessary". Yeah, they can very much - because they become production parasites for the budget that should drag other enterprises with their deductions, their products are not needed by anyone, and they continue to produce it to the warehouse according to the plan, and then, as warehouses overflow, the products were sent to 120 countries of the poor for loyalty - in the USSR as planned the distribution economy worked exactly like that - everything that earned everything was spent on compensating for the internal deficit, such an economy could not work for a long time, and in the 80s the country began to run out of money if you give money out of your pocket but put less money than you give your bankruptcy in this situation it is inevitably simple formula - but somehow miraculously in the USSR they tried to get around it.
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 April 16 2021 17: 48
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            ...
            become production parasites for the budget ...
            their products are not needed by anyone and they continue to produce them at the warehouse ...
            in the USSR, a planned distribution economy ...

            The fact that they produced some goods that were not in demand among the population is a consequence of the disgusting work of the state plan, and not of the entire system ...
            The system of the planned economy itself is recognized as the most successful, stable and stable in the face of all kinds of economic shocks. Even the capitalist countries have recognized this ...
            Once upon a time, a number of economists, patriots of their Motherland wanted to radically change the process of state planning through the introduction of an all-Union automatic system. But the powers that be for some reason were very scared of this and blocked the idea, calling the revolutionary step in the socialist economy "electronic fascism" ...
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 17 2021 00: 07
              -1
              "The system of the planned economy itself is recognized as the most successful, stable and sustainable in the face of all kinds of economic shocks." Not a planned economy - but a planned distributive one - a planned one and now exists in the form of a market economy with business planning, formed according to reports on real demand.
              "Once upon a time, a number of economists, patriots of their homeland wanted to radically change the process of state planning through the introduction of an all-Union automatic system." Yes, even if you introduce something into such an economic model, it does not rely on real demand; instead, everyone thinks the institutions are implementing the state plan and distributing it in such a system, there will always be a shortage of technical backwardness of manufactured products and a meager range of goods - there is no place for private inventors in this system and manufacturers they do not have the ability and capacity to produce products themselves and sponsors for this they do not have investors in this system investor only one state that works for five years ahead in all areas, no one will stop the enterprise for the sake of your developments and disrupt the planned production for this our IPhones from the garages of design bureaus and research institutes never came out, and most importantly, in such a system there is no competition, the state plans letting everyone down the state factory will not compete with the state factory in this system, competition is replaced by stupid lobbying at the top to whom how much to give the volume of production of goods.
              "Stable in the face of all kinds of economic shocks" Well, only in the mid-80s an economic shock happened and as a result of which the USSR did not become, which suggests that such an economy does not have any stability as well as its political structure.
      2. Volder
        Volder April 16 2021 12: 54
        +2
        Quote: KKND
        in 1999 the book of the FSB colonel Andrey Parshev "Why Russia is not America" ​​was published
        The colonel fell for liberal propaganda.
        in Russia, manufacturing is not profitable (cold),
        Even in the south of the country, where is the winter warm? Our gas and heating bills are among the lowest in Europe, not to mention the United States.
  • parusnik
    parusnik April 16 2021 07: 26
    +5
    Further vegetation in the club of “late” threatens the state with the final transformation into a consumer of foreign technologies and, as a result, a threat to its own sovereignty.
    ... Sovereignty is spelled out in the Constitution, she will not let my mother lose it, she will protect him. And so, it is cheaper to buy from them than to develop your own, it is much more expensive here, you need personnel. Those who train specialists, a specialist needs a base, a base needs to be created, etc. this is money. Money, you need to get out of your pocket, which is called "excess profit ", that is, the money that can be spent on personal goodies. And whoever is a personal nishtyak will exchange it for the interests of the state.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 16 2021 07: 57
    +6
    But the example with the Sputnik V vaccine gives hope for the rapid growth of the domestic high-tech sector.
    The opinions are very different ...
    someone claims that that part of the former great potential, which we inherited from ... the previous ones, which they did not manage to finally defeat, the current reformers \ consider the thieves, the destroyers, worked out !!!
    some cherish hopes that these are the first shoots of the revival of our former scientific and other greatness !!!
    Guess ... or rather, everyone can decide for himself who is RIGHT at the moment!
    I don't know ... there is no answer.
  • Kolin
    Kolin April 16 2021 08: 11
    -5
    In fact, more than 200 stillborn "Superjets" have been released, and when there are 500 of them, our fighters will still consider them stillborn?
    1. KKND
      KKND April 16 2021 08: 33
      +3
      Quote: Kolin
      more than 200 were released, and when there are 500 of them, our fighters will still consider them stillborn?

      And we sold a lot of these 200-500 for export? Or did they produce in their own country by paying the West a part for Western components and machine tools and then they sold them to themselves?
      1. Kolin
        Kolin April 16 2021 08: 54
        -5
        Do you prefer to produce 500 half-Svidomo Tu-50s instead of 334 SSZh?
        1. KKND
          KKND April 16 2021 08: 58
          +1
          Quote: Kolin
          Do you prefer to produce 500 half-Svidomo Tu-50s instead of 334 SSZh?

          Money should be earned and not spent on projects. If you started a large-scale project, then it should pay off. And not the Ukrainians, not the West, I do not urge to feed, on the contrary, it is necessary at their expense to feed on intellectual labor, and not "pipe".
          1. Volder
            Volder April 16 2021 13: 06
            -4
            Quote: KKND
            Money should be earned and not spent on projects.
            Import substitution in the Superjet will allow the aircraft to enter the real market, as a result of which we will start earning.
            If you started a large-scale project, then it should pay off.
            What makes you think that the project will not pay off? When mass production of domestic components begins, this will not only recoup the money invested, but also spur the development of the industry. Is there something that doesn't suit you?
  • KKND
    KKND April 16 2021 08: 22
    +2
    This is, for example, a powerful mathematical school that can become the basis for the biotechnology industry, artificial intelligence, additive technologies and the development of methods for processing big data.

    And how can the "power" of this school be measured and in what units? Does the author suggest taking his word for it? Or is it referring to a myth or legend?
    So if we have such strong mathematicians, why don't they "write" and sell competitive software? It would seem that they gathered in a cheap office, bought computers and go ahead and "write and write" and earn millions of dollars.
    So I will report to the members of the forum that in the late 90s and early-mid 2000s we had very intelligent programmers who wrote very strong, primarily technologically, games and sold them. Yes, there was no money for sensible marketing abroad and bribes for their journalists and they didn’t make much money, but the games were very strong technologically (graphically and the amount of content) and not very "buggy".
    Then some of the guys were bought by Western companies, who left for the West and now there are very average game programmers in Russia. Games are all in "bugs", the graphics are backward, games like "indie" (budget) in 90% of cases.
    Of course, I understand that there were really very strong mathematicians in the USSR, but 30 years have passed, a lot could have changed.
    If we have strong mathematicians, where are our programmers? Our share in the global software market is very modest.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor April 16 2021 08: 45
      +5
      based on personal experience, just facts, without emotions .. I had 3 classmates who are fond of programming, 2 of them are stronger, all sorts of regional Olympiads, etc. now, as a result, one of them is in Australia, the second in Germany .. and the one that is weaker is in charge of the wires in Rostelecom .. so it's worth thinking about who, basically, these 300000 people leave the country every year, and who basically stays ...
      1. KKND
        KKND April 16 2021 08: 54
        -1
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        and the weaker one manages the wires in Rostelecom ..

        A programmer is a very difficult profession, you have to strain your brains very much. A good programmer is worth its weight in gold, and if you don't have enough brains, you will be in charge of the wires. We have strong programmers in Russia, but there are few of them, and there are only 24 hours a day. And in the West there are many of them and they are also strong, if not stronger. They bought computers for home there in the 80s and learned from them since childhood. The USSR in the 80s did not manage to provide such a mass production of computers for "children".
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 April 16 2021 10: 20
          -6
          Quote: KKND
          A programmer is a very difficult profession, you have to strain your brains very much.

          Programmers are, first of all, mathematics, and we have always had it at the highest level. Studying a couple of hundred operators is not so difficult, but to compose a program from them is to have brains capable of thinking outside the ordinary. In the West, this is simply not possible (for this reason, they buy up brains all over the world). There, from childhood, they are taught to observe the law: a step to the left, a step to the right - prison, a jump on the spot - a shooting. With such upbringing, breakthroughs in any industry are not possible. In our country, however, the severity of laws is not compensated by the obligation to comply with them. We have a different mindset, a different culture.
          1. KKND
            KKND April 16 2021 10: 26
            +7
            Quote: Boris55
            There, from childhood, they are taught to observe the law: a step from the left to the right - prison, a jump on the spot - an execution. With such upbringing, breakthroughs in any industry are not possible. In our country, the severity of the laws is not compensated for by their execution. We have a different mindset.

            What a fairy tale wassat
            And why then intel, amd, nvidia of their corporations and their engineers come up with processors from which you write here? What kind of computer processor do you have? Intel or AMD? Or did you write your fairy tale from Elbrus or Baikal? wassat
            1. Boris55
              Boris55 April 16 2021 11: 17
              -3
              Quote: KKND
              have you written your fairy tale from Elbrus or Baikal?

              This is consumer goods.
            2. Pvl_1
              Pvl_1 April 17 2021 22: 10
              +2
              Elbrus has a problem not even particularly in quality (for the number of people working on the processor that MCST has, it turns out an awesome good product - for the same Intel, much more people work on the processor), but in the fact that he needs overclocking in sales, since so far, due to the peculiarities of pricing for the production of stones, the unit price is high. Due to the small batch, the batch order price is spread over a small number of units produced and therefore the unit is expensive. If the series is larger, the unit price will decrease.
              Well, you need to understand that the Elbrus-8SV and the next Elbrus-16S that are relevant right now are intended for servers - this requires some features that require additional equipment on a stone and therefore increase the cost of the processor. So it's not really an idea to use them for board games.
              Although right now, thanks to the actions of that same government, IMHO is just accelerating sales - recently a decree was issued that for data storage systems it is necessary to take domestic goods in government orders, and later amendments according to which the processor there must be domestic. This promises an increase in sales and, consequently, a fall in the unit price.
      2. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor April 16 2021 10: 09
        +2
        cons for the truth? Well, let's-let's .. there is simply nothing to answer ... and I absolutely do not like this situation, but it does not change anything - it is there and from the minuses someone will not go anywhere ..
      3. Boris55
        Boris55 April 16 2021 10: 29
        .
        Quote: Level 2 Advisor
        so it's worth thinking about who are basically these 300000 people who leave the country every year, and who basically stays ...

        We do not need potential traitors for whom the main thing in life is a full refrigerator, who are ready to sell their mother for three pieces of silver. Let them roll and roll together with the West into the abyss of history ... Those who remain are our perfect weapons, which are too tough for the "geniuses" who have left for the West.

        Quote: 2 level advisor
        cons for the truth?

        Everyone has their own truth. Truth is the truth of many.
        By changing the truth of everyone, we are changing the truth.



        ps
        I have already passed the age when likes meant something to me. But sometimes, when they strongly minus me, I even like it - it means that I got the enemies of Russia for a living. laughing
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan April 16 2021 22: 40
          +3
          People, call Bory the vet.
        2. Titus_2
          Titus_2 April 17 2021 10: 46
          +3
          So in the opening line of your comment you are talking about our government?
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 April 16 2021 09: 24
    +3
    Let's return to 36% of the so-called non-resource non-energy exports, the growth of which the Russian leadership is so eager to see. Now it is about $ 155 billion annually. And it seems to be a big part of the market pie.
    This figure looks so beautiful in the reports with which our rulers fool each other's heads! However, since our rulers practically do not understand either in economics or in management, many, apparently, sincerely believe in these magic numbers. But in vain, in vain)
    The fact is that practically none of these industries belongs to Russia. And every penny is displayed. Not ours and not ours. Did you write it down in the report? Well done.
    The catastrophe happened long ago. We are now in the ashes ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 16 2021 16: 34
      -2
      However, since our rulers practically do not understand either in economics or in management, many, apparently, sincerely believe in these magic numbers. And you probably understand - if so smart what is not in production and why not a millionaire?
      "The fact is that practically none of these industries belongs to Russia." And every penny is withdrawn. "They pay taxes to the state and they are all located in Russia, they use our raw materials, electricity and labor resources. And now everything that is withdrawn abroad can be taken away. They have already begun to check whether the acquired property corresponds to back-breaking labor or not.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan April 16 2021 22: 43
        -1
        Taxes in Russia are the smallest, so little falls to us. But the profits from the sale, which are huge, are taken by the owners of these enterprises, and who are the owners? Anglo-Saxons.
      2. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 April 18 2021 11: 34
        +2
        Actually, yes, I'm not a millionaire) The fact is that it is useless to understand the economy in our country. Our economy is governed by non-economic methods, decisions are made in it against economic reality, and even outside of simple logic. Shooting the state in the legs is our favorite sport, preferred by our elite. Sometimes it seems that they are competing there every day - who will do the most damage today? To succeed in such a reality, no knowledge is needed. Knowledge only gets in the way ...
        They do NOT pay taxes to the state. Are they crazy, or what? Firstly, they have many centuries of experience in avoiding any taxes, and secondly, they roll back a share to members of our patriotic government, so that our country pays them extra for the total export of capital from it. Within the framework of "entrepreneurship support". And that slice in Chase Manhattan Bank, of course)
        And as for labor resources, everything is generally chocolate) The fact is that all enterprises are automatic! There, of those "resources" there is only a watchman, in the sense of a director, and a warehouse shop - ten karshikov who load the products. And that's all. The salaries of these people, to put it mildly, do not affect Russian employment. Oh, I forgot. Six more "operators", finely trained that if smoke goes out in the shop, you have to press the Big Red Button. Then "our" plant will stop and the American repairmen will wait. And another girl who knows how to use the Word. She doesn’t know how to use Excel, but that’s okay, and that’s fine. The director, apart from the porn on the monitor, can not launch anything at all (but if you need to strangle someone in the corner, he is happy.
        It was the accursed Stalin who loaded the purchased factories with engineers and technicians, equipped the design bureaus so that all these people would understand that technique. First, we learned to repair it ourselves, then make the same, then make it better than the model. Now it's funny to talk about this ...
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 April 18 2021 15: 40
          -2
          Yes, I wanted to give an example, I was distracted. Simplest example, but funny. Remember, there was an integral "war of sanctions" - they were not allowed to install the Simmens turbine in Crimea? But our government sternly harnessed itself to the Simmens turbines, and they installed it! Victory! In general, Simmen are eager to supply their turbines, generators, etc. etc., and in the government there are many ardent supporters of them, of course. Do you know why?
          Simmens (with the strong support of the government, and not theirs, namely ours), together with the installation, and a mountain of money for the turbine itself, will certainly conclude a contract for the maintenance of the turbine. Serves four times a year. At the same time, they do not come every year, usually they look at the network (they completely monitor the turbine, and can stop it at any time, and they can do it so that only broken brick will remain from the power plant), and they carefully take money for this. On average, two hundred million. Four times a year. They completely rake out all the profits of a considerable power plant, not only on their own turbine, but in general. From the rest of the power machines, which were installed there, for example, by the USSR, too.
          That's how we live...
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 16 2021 09: 36
    +3
    All true.
    In the media, there are only peremogs, and familiar from high-tech firms associated with the military, 40, and some 15 thousand in January, and that's all ...

    Probably everyone has heard about the closed production of chips in Zelenograd ...
  • spectr
    spectr April 16 2021 11: 42
    +1
    But the example with the Sputnik V vaccine gives hope for the rapid growth of the domestic high-tech sector. At least now there is experience of what and how to do, as well as where to sell. And then, quite likely, the Year of Science and Technology will turn from memories of past victories into a symbol of the country's technological growth.

    So far, this is unlikely in Russia.
    1. High-tech business has big risks and requires large investments.
    2. If someone is able to create something similar (and perhaps even some kind of key technology), then over time he will be advised to share with the authorities (remember the chain of stores Magnet, which, having become federal, went under VTB, and the founder was left like 3% shares).
    As a result, having spent a lot of money, time, nerves, you can either go broke, or "thank you" to develop a new business and then find yourself on the sidelines. And if the business is given more rights, then most likely we will come to the same thing as in the United States, when the president is no one in his country and everyone is in charge of business.
  • Radikal
    Radikal April 16 2021 11: 49
    +2
    But the example with the Sputnik V vaccine gives hope for the rapid growth of the domestic high-tech sector.

    The author, if you had the opportunity to ask the doctors, you would be surprised to learn that the above vaccine, like the other two, was made on the basis of the developments of Soviet epidemiologists. lol
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 April 16 2021 12: 17
      -2
      that the above vaccine, like the other two, was made on the basis of the developments of Soviet epidemiologists

      you may or may not be offended, but this is the stupidest statement. Like all the others from the opera "everything was done according to the USSR's designs." It is impossible to create any product that meets modern requirements "by design" without complementing it and refining it technologically. Let's take the methodology for creating vaccines in the USSR. Then the main method was to create whole-virion vaccines, i.e. from attenuated strains. Vaccines such as Sputnik and its analogues are subunit vaccines that do not use the virus itself, but only part of its protein. The principle is similar, but the technology is different like a bicycle and a Tesla car. The next step will be the creation of DNA and RNA vaccines, a direction that is now developing both in our country and abroad.
  • Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO April 16 2021 12: 20
    0
    Dearest, author, better get over to the rain, there you will be more in demand.
  • Radikal
    Radikal April 16 2021 12: 24
    -1
    Quote: Ka-52
    that the above vaccine, like the other two, was made on the basis of the developments of Soviet epidemiologists

    you may or may not be offended, but this is the stupidest statement. Like all the others from the opera "everything was done according to the USSR's designs." It is impossible to create any product that meets modern requirements "by design" without complementing it and refining it technologically. Let's take the methodology for creating vaccines in the USSR. Then the main method was to create whole-virion vaccines, i.e. from attenuated strains. Vaccines such as Sputnik and its analogues are subunit vaccines that do not use the virus itself, but only part of its protein. The principle is similar, but the technology is different like a bicycle and a Tesla car. The next step will be the creation of DNA and RNA vaccines, a direction that is now developing both in our country and abroad.

    My comment does not contradict yours in any way, moreover, you confirm my words with this phrase -
    It is impossible to create any product that meets modern requirements "by development" without complementing it and not technologically modifying it.
    . hi lol wassat
    PS In addition, you probably do not follow the reports of specialists in the field of pharmacology, who themselves admitted that without Soviet developments it would be problematic and impossible to make these vaccines in the shortest possible time. sad
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 April 16 2021 12: 46
      +1
      that without Soviet developments, it would be problematic and impossible to make these vaccines in the shortest possible time.

      you had enough mind for a minus, but to understand the meaning of what you yourself write was not enough. A common occurrence.
      The bottom line is that the phrase of the author
      But the example with the Sputnik V vaccine gives hope for the rapid growth of the domestic high-tech sector.

      and implies that the creation of a high-tech vaccine (even taking into account the fact that the origins of developments go back to the late USSR) is not possible without the availability of modern technologies. It was modern technologies that made it possible, at a practical level, to come to vector vaccines, and not to use the USSR methodology - attenuated vaccines and inactivated viral vaccines. Antimicrobial vaccines are the next generation vaccines! Therefore, it is simply nonsense to refer to the USSR.
      In addition, you probably do not follow the reports of specialists in the field of pharmacology,

      as a specialist, you should know that pharmacology and virology are not the same laughing
  • DominickS
    DominickS April 16 2021 12: 24
    +2
    What else to expect from a country where engineers and scientists receive a salary of 20-25 thousand rubles.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan April 16 2021 22: 47
      0
      With such a meager remuneration for your work, it is impossible to work normally or live a normal life. In essence, the people work for food.
  • Radikal
    Radikal April 16 2021 12: 51
    -1
    Quote: Ka-52
    that without Soviet developments, it would be problematic and impossible to make these vaccines in the shortest possible time.

    you had enough mind for a minus, but to understand the meaning of what you yourself write was not enough. A common occurrence.
    The bottom line is that the phrase of the author
    But the example with the Sputnik V vaccine gives hope for the rapid growth of the domestic high-tech sector.

    and implies that the creation of a high-tech vaccine (even taking into account the fact that the origins of developments go back to the late USSR) is not possible without the availability of modern technologies. It was modern technologies that made it possible, at a practical level, to come to vector vaccines, and not to use the USSR methodology - attenuated vaccines and inactivated viral vaccines. These are the next generation vaccines! Therefore, it is simply nonsense to refer to the USSR.
    In addition, you probably do not follow the reports of specialists in the field of pharmacology, and virology ...

    you should know that pharmacology and virology are not the same laughing

    I made a little correction there in order to slightly knock your mentoring tone, however, this is useless with you, but I repeat once again that you essentially only confirmed my comment. lol
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 April 16 2021 13: 06
      +1
      to tone down your mentor tone a little

      thanks for the compliment yes
      that you essentially just confirmed my comment.

      Well, if you argue that any modern technology or product is based on developments 10, 20 ... 50 years ago, then you may be right. But this is just stupid. For example, the Americans have developed a laser combat platform. And I told them from the couch - "Lohari! The laser was invented by Fedya Maiman, already in the 1960s!" .... Well, after all, nonsense ?! laughing
  • seacap
    seacap April 16 2021 13: 49
    +6
    For starters, the HSE is the most important think tank serving the Russian “elite” and beyond. The HSE is a tool for the external neo-colonial administration of Russia.
    The HSE also created the International College of Economics and Finance - it was created jointly with the London School of Economics. Upon completion of the undergraduate and postgraduate studies of this institute, two diplomas are issued: one - from the Higher School of Economics, and the other - from the London School of Economics (you can imagine what ideas are put into the heads of this institution by the Anglo-Saxons).
    The beginning of ultra-liberalization (we have an analogue - destruction) of the USSR / Russian economy was facilitated by the support of the Soros Foundation, which provided a one-year grant under Gorbachev in 1989. Further, the Soros Foundation already in 1990 financed the stay in the United States of a group of developers of the program for the destruction of the Soviet economy, such as "500 days" headed by G. Yavlinsky, and later members of the "Gaidar team".
    The most widely and actively fertile field for the HSE's expert activities opened in the 2000s, when, with the arrival of liberals in the government (Kudrin, Nabiullina, Gref, etc.), the “golden age” of Russian liberalism began, a full-fledged and purposeful destruction of industrialization and the prospects for its development. gaining control over the entire sphere of the country's life, primarily monetary, educational, scientific and educational, media and culture.
    Under the guise of promoting Russian science, the Soros Foundation received secret information from our scientists, paying them a fee for this. To support literature of the Russophobic and pseudo-historical direction, the Soros Foundation created special prizes, the distribution of which was carried out by a special anti-Russian council.
    The Soros Foundation directed its activities to change the worldview of people, implant the American way of life, tracked and controlled the transfer of the intellectual and material potential of Russia abroad. As part of the programs of the Soros Foundation, books and textbooks were published in which the events of Russian history, culture, talented and heroic personalities were stipulated and dehumanized. At various seminars and conferences, the ideas of the superiority of Western culture over Russian were instilled in young people, ideas about the backwardness of Russia were implanted and the traditional values ​​of the Western world were imposed - the cult of violence, cruelty, LGBT, the cult of money, as the main criterion for assessing the success of an individual, moral licentiousness under the guise of democracy, freedom and human rights, the creation of an inherited estate society, living according to different laws, enjoying different privileges. All this and much more was coordinated and carried out precisely through the HSE.
    Now they report on the results of the 20-year work done.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 16 2021 16: 39
      -4
      The HSE is a tool for the external neo-colonial administration of Russia. Well, of course, if this were really so, then Russia would now be at a level lower than Moldova in terms of economic development - and real businessmen do not listen to the conclusions of the HSE, so they often carry dregs.
  • Radikal
    Radikal April 16 2021 17: 38
    +2
    Quote: Ka-52
    to tone down your mentor tone a little

    thanks for the compliment yes
    that you essentially just confirmed my comment.

    Well, if you argue that any modern technology or product is based on developments 10, 20 ... 50 years ago, then you may be right. But this is just stupid. For example, the Americans have developed a laser combat platform. And I told them from the couch - "Lohari! The laser was invented by Fedya Maiman, already in the 1960s!" .... Well, after all, nonsense ?! laughing

    Is it "nonsense" to use the achievements of predecessors, supplementing them with modern technologies? Another thing is that the current government prefers to keep silent about this, moreover, to blame everything that was done in that era, often passing off their ideas and developments as something new, "unparalleled." That's what outrages, I'm just talking about it. hi
  • xorek
    xorek April 16 2021 18: 49
    .
    Oh, how many whiners gathered here in the company .. laughing
    It's time to blame, but no one invites you, like whine on the ground .. wassat
    I overlooked the article, there is something to think about in the principles, but there are also successes, thanks to sanctions and other factors .. The caravan is coming, the dogs are barking .. Something I think is happening! If they had given us another 20 years of peaceful life, Russia would not have been recognized.
    In the meantime, in a circular defense and modernizing not only the Army, but also science, industry, the education system, etc. And this terribly infuriates the West and others .. angry
    There is something to be proud of, but it's too early to brag. hi
    This is how we live in spite of everyone and do not collapse on evil liberda and other Western "partners" ..
    You can kick. I said everything! soldier
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 16 2021 19: 55
    0
    To create something designed for export is a failure in advance. First, it must be used in its own country, because this is how imports come to us.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 17 2021 00: 16
      0
      Therefore, in a market economy, we create goods that will be in demand both domestically and abroad, they must meet the requirements of today and tomorrow to stay on the markets and maintain competitiveness.
      1. nikvic46
        nikvic46 April 17 2021 06: 12
        +1
        Vadim: At least in the market, though not in the market, the product must show itself at home.
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus April 20 2021 18: 41
    0
    A country where education and science is ruled by an organization like the HSE or Rusnano with Tolya at the head, where a breakthrough in science and innovation is nonsense.