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The advantages of the Ukrainian T-84 Oplot tank were discussed in the USA and compared with competitors from the Russian Federation

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The advantages of the Ukrainian T-84 Oplot tank were discussed in the USA and compared with competitors from the Russian Federation

Tank T-84 "Oplot-M" is the most modern main a tankin service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. True, so far he has not participated in real hostilities.


The US magazine The National Interest discussed the merits of the Ukrainian T-84 Oplot tank and compared it with its competitors from the Russian Federation.

Actually, it is a modernized version of one of the best Soviet T-80U tanks. "Oplot" can hardly be called a Ukrainian development, since it contains the most successful constructive findings of previous models.

In the 2000s, the Ukrainian tank took part in tank tests in Malaysia along with Russian tanks, which made it possible to compare their characteristics. The results showed that in terms of its capabilities it is approximately identical to our T-90S. The dynamic protection of the "Oplot", according to the declared parameters, is about the same as that of the tanks from the Russian Federation. The thermal imaging device used by the crew commander of the Ukrainian armored vehicles is slightly better than that of most tanks in service with the Russian Armed Forces.

But even if we assume that the T-84 "Oplot-M" in its characteristics surpasses any serial Russian tank, this does not give the Ukrainian army any advantages, because the Armed Forces of Ukraine have an insignificant amount of this equipment. In addition, the disastrous performance of the T-84U tank in the Strong Europe 2018 competition raises doubts about its outstanding characteristics.
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  1. Nikon OConor
    Nikon OConor April 14 2021 18: 52
    +2
    Too lazy to search. In 2-3 words, what a disastrous performance?
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan April 14 2021 18: 57
      +22
      The gun at the tank during the firing shook like the hands of a drunk with a deep hangover. This is a platoon (6 tanks) of 10 T-84 "Oplot" tanks, which were developed in the late 90s, and at the beginning of 00 were adopted by the Armed Forces of Ukraine and ordered ... They stood in the sump for about 15+ years ... then They decided to "get them out of the coffin", align them and send them like imba-pepelatsi for the wrestling. The trouble was that the plant was engaged in those things that gave the plant real money (i.e. the very same BM Oplot for Thailand). Therefore, no one seriously trained tanks for the competition. The T-84 Oplot differs from the BM Oplot - a tower (they are similar, but the Oplot one is adapted for a panorama and another DZ, an aiming system (primarily by the presence of a "bucket"), DZ (there is a doublet on the stronghold), VLD (under a doublet in the front part tank make a "cutout"), the engine and a number of "digital options." That is, they have the same base, but these are quite different tanks, up to the real "hardware" Because of a different engine and a different DZ, they even have a hull ( front and back) are different.
      1. Nikon OConor
        Nikon OConor April 14 2021 19: 00
        +2
        I think they didn't. Thanks for the info. hi
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty April 14 2021 20: 49
      +1
      Here is a new reason to jump in joy in the uk-roine, because the Yankees themselves said a word about the Op-loh tank !!! lol
      1. venik
        venik April 14 2021 21: 04
        +3
        Quote: Thrifty
        Here is a new reason to jump in joy in the uk-roine, because the Yankees themselves said a word about the Op-loh tank !!! lol

        =======
        "Hooray! The gentleman appointed me his beloved wife!"
        1. Artyom Karagodin
          Artyom Karagodin April 14 2021 22: 53
          0
          Test, Vladimir! Aptly good laughing bully
    3. loki565
      loki565 April 14 2021 20: 56
      +13
      There is a video on YouTube where the crew shows how the gun shook, the automatic loader jammed, and so on. but a lot of mate)))
      1. Terenin
        Terenin April 14 2021 21: 00
        +8
        Quote: loki565
        There is a video on YouTube where the crew shows how the gun shook, the automatic loader jammed, and so on. but a lot of mate)))

        Really svidomye swearing in the language of Ahressor? belay
      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir April 14 2021 22: 04
        +8
        Quote: loki565
        There is a video on YouTube where the crew shows how the gun shook, the automatic loader jammed, and so on. but a lot of mate)))

    4. 933454818
      933454818 April 14 2021 21: 05
      +4
      Here is the video where the cannon shakes at the Ukran tankers and something else.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6waL1f6IRU
  2. hirurg
    hirurg April 14 2021 18: 52
    +1
    The USA discussed
    And how many tanks are built in the United States per year?)))
    And where are the trunks made for them?
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A April 14 2021 20: 16
      +9
      Quote: hirurg
      The USA discussed
      And how many tanks are built in the United States per year?)))
      And where are the trunks made for them?


      They have 3500 tanks in stock.
      At least "whatever you want" chew ...
      And the barrels are made at the state artillery factory (Watervliet Arsenal) in New York State.
      1. hirurg
        hirurg April 14 2021 20: 27
        -3
        I did not ask how much they have in storage, how much is being upgraded and what to chew. By the way, Russia will have more of this stuff. Ukraine profuked.
        And how many modern ones are being built from scratch?
        STATE FACTORY IN THE STATES !!!! You made a discovery for me.)))))
        And do not confuse the arsenal with the factory.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A April 14 2021 20: 41
          -4
          Quote: hirurg
          I did not ask how much they have in storage, how much is being upgraded and what to chew. By the way, Russia will have more of this stuff. Ukraine profuked.
          And how many modern ones are being built from scratch?
          STATE FACTORY IN THE STATES !!!! You made a discovery for me.)))))


          Why should they build from scratch now if they have 3500 modern tanks in stock?
          Modern.
          They are in no way inferior to our T-72, T-80, T-90 in all modifications.
          Nothing but the price.
          Although, when they were being built, the contract price was $ 500 thousand per unit.

          And about what they are building.
          They are building a new type of "light" tank from scratch.
          Although to call a 32-ton tank "light", you can really only after monsters such as Abrams, Challenger, Merkava.
          120mm cannon, KAZ, explosive reactive armor.
          The Americans believe that this tank will have much more flexible and maneuverable tactics with full preservation of striking power and higher protection rates.
          And they will build almost 600 pieces for themselves and about 300 pieces for export.
          1. hirurg
            hirurg April 14 2021 20: 50
            0
            If they think the same way as you, then the flag is in your hands.)))
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A April 14 2021 21: 21
              -2
              Quote: hirurg
              If they think the same way as you, then the flag is in your hands.)))


              But in fact, what did you want to say?

              That their tank production died?
              Well, this is only in the training manuals uryak-uryak ...

              But in fact - Everything is more alive than the living.
              But it is so difficult to admit to those who write reviews that everything has rotted there, that they are on their knees ...
              After all, it's probably scary when fantasies melt like a fog ... Like a drunken frenzy!

              Because in your training manuals there are fantasies.
              1. hirurg
                hirurg April 14 2021 21: 35
                +5
                And here the essence manifested itself.
                Are you talking about manuals?
                Was I just asking awkward questions?
                And now in plain text:
                The United States not only lost the production lines of tanks, but also the scientific base, as well as the specialists of the factory level.
                And because, as you said above, everything is already there and there is no need for a new one.
                Therefore, the specialists quit. And now there is no place to get them.
                And they started begging for guns from the Germans ..
                How do you like that?
                1. SovAr238A
                  SovAr238A April 14 2021 21: 53
                  +9
                  Quote: hirurg
                  And here the essence manifested itself.
                  Are you talking about manuals?
                  Was I just asking awkward questions?
                  And now in plain text:
                  The United States not only lost the production lines of tanks, but also the scientific base, as well as the specialists of the factory level.
                  And because, as you said above, everything is already there and there is no need for a new one.
                  Therefore, the specialists quit. And now there is no place to get them.
                  And they started begging for guns from the Germans ..
                  How do you like that?


                  They closed only one Chrysler plant, which produced the first batches of Abrams tanks.
                  The production sites of General Daynemics Land Systems, which subsequently produced the Abrams, are the most alive of all living things and continue to make brotekers.
                  But in the training manuals it is written that the plant was closed, everyone was dispersed!
                  America. unlike the Soviet Union and Russia, it is very mobile.
                  There, at the same time (at each moment of time) in the move, there are from 3 to 7 million people.
                  People drive to work.
                  Detroit was closed, production was moved to Lima - the specialists moved to work.
                  And the production did not stop completely.

                  Yet it turns out a little differently.
                  Suddenly huh? Breaking the training manual template?


                  You know, but the Rheinmetall 120th cannon does not belong only to the Germans.
                  For it was created as a German-American one from the very beginning.
                  The way it was planned to be installed on both the Leo-2 and the American MBT.
                  Initially.
                  Long before the decision was made on the choice of the winner in the intra-American tender for the MBT. By the way, Leo-2 was also a participant in this tender.
                  All 3 tanks were equipped with a single cannon.
                  The only one, only because NATO agreements, when deploying American troops in Germany, required a single weapon for the Germans and Americans.
                  And no begging.

                  Again, it turns out a little differently.
                  Again, suddenly breaking the template of the training manual?

                  I say that everything you write is a manual.
                  You have no knowledge of either the history of weapons or the current state of industry.
                  Some naked phrases, slogans, slogans, scripts.

                  Worthless, in a word.
                  1. hirurg
                    hirurg April 14 2021 22: 04
                    -6
                    Not. Lots of bukoffs from you.
                    And the result is the same.
                    And it is not interesting whose MBT is in whose trunk it sticks out and vice versa.
                    I state the zero development of the military-industrial complex in the states with an enormous budget.
                    And I haven't told you about the atom yet.)))
                    1. SovAr238A
                      SovAr238A April 14 2021 22: 12
                      -3
                      Quote: hirurg
                      Not. Lots of bukoffs from you.
                      And the result is the same.
                      And it is not interesting whose MBT is in whose trunk it sticks out and vice versa.
                      I state the zero development of the military-industrial complex in the states with an enormous budget.
                      And I haven't told you about the atom yet.)))


                      Do not...
                      It doesn't suit you.
                      Not to the face, not to the mind.

                      Go sleep it off ...
                      Morning and evenings are wiser.
                      1. hirurg
                        hirurg April 14 2021 22: 15
                        -1
                        Ooh. You don't have good manners yet.
                        They began to get nervous and rude.)
                        This is good, so there is nothing to cover.))))
                      2. SovAr238A
                        SovAr238A April 14 2021 22: 41
                        -1
                        Quote: hirurg
                        Ooh. You don't have good manners yet.
                        They began to get nervous and rude.)
                        This is good, so there is nothing to cover.))))


                        To be rude?
                        Who?
                        An ignorant, ignorant character?
                        Meaning?

                        Nothing to cover?
                        See below ...
        2. IL-18
          IL-18 April 14 2021 22: 15
          0
          Quote: SovAr238A
          and about 300 pieces for export.

          Suspicions fall on Poland and Ukraine. Naturally, not for the entire circulation, but as a "trade engine", like they are already taking it, have time to buy it while you have it.
      2. venik
        venik April 14 2021 21: 18
        +3
        Quote: hirurg
        And how many modern ones are being built from scratch?

        =======
        If I am not mistaken, there are dozens of them, and not every year the line is launched. Basically, they prefer to take from conservation and "trick", replacing the necessary nodes. And so it has been for many years.
      3. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A April 14 2021 22: 11
        -1
        Quote: hirurg

        STATE FACTORY IN THE STATES !!!! You made a discovery for me.)))))
        And do not confuse the arsenal with the factory.


        You should learn some materiel ...

        You should understand the meaning of the American word Arsenal.
        Arsenal is not only a place of storage (this is usually so accepted in Russia, since the arsenal is a borrowed word for us that does not have 100% identification in our language).
        But also the place of production.

        Article in the ZVO from 1976 years from Colonel of the Soviet Army Starkov A.
        The industrial base for the production of artillery weapons was created mainly during the Second World War. During the specified period, it was based on four state arsenals (Waterweet, Rock Island, Watertown and Frankford), as well as state factories and enterprises of private firms that carried out orders from the US Department of Defense for the supply of units and assemblies of artillery weapons for assembly arsenals.
        As foreign experts note, a characteristic feature of the modern branch of the US military industry, engaged in the production of artillery weapons, is the presence of a developed system of cooperation. On the basis of a broad cooperation of arsenals, state factories and enterprises of private firms, the production of components of artillery weapons and the assembly of ready-made samples are carried out.
        The production of 155-mm M109 self-propelled howitzers, 175-mm M107 self-propelled guns and 203,2-mm Ml10 self-propelled howitzers has been mastered by the factories of Bowen-McLaughling York (York, Pennsylvania) and General Motors (Cleveland, Ohio). The barrels for these types of weapons are supplied by the Waterwealth State Arsenal.
        Currently, the leading role in the production, creation of new and improvement of artillery equipment already in service belongs to the state arsenals.
        The State Artillery Arsenal in Watsrvleet, New York, is the largest enterprise in the country with 81 production buildings. There are 3 thousand machine tools in its shops with a total value of $ 150 million. In 1974, this enterprise employed almost 2600 people, of whom 42%. highly qualified specialists.
        For a long time, the arsenal has been the main supplier of barrels for artillery guns of various calibers of field artillery. In addition, he specializes in the production of recoilless guns, mortars, etc.
        The task of the arsenal also includes the development of mobilization plans for the deployment of production facilities in the industry in emergency conditions and the provision of other factories producing artillery weapons with technological equipment and technical documentation.
        In recent years, the enterprise has carried out work on the modernization of outdated and the creation of new technological equipment for the manufacture and testing of artillery barrels. So, at the end of the 60s, his scientific laboratories were engaged in the development of modern methods (using laser equipment) for determining the bending of gun barrels. At the end of the research, a report was published, from which one can see the advantages (greater measurement accuracy, simplicity and cost-effectiveness) of the laser method for determining the curvature of barrels over the existing optical one.
        The arsenal also developed an installation for dynamic testing of steels used for the manufacture of barrels for 175-mm self-propelled guns M107, a method for processing stepped piston valves for artillery guns of 175 and 203,2 mm caliber was created and introduced into production, which allows six times ( from 12 hours to two hours) to reduce the time of this operation, a technological process for molding artillery parts from high-strength nickel steels at room temperature, etc., was developed and put into practice. The cost of all programs to improve production technology, on which the arsenal worked in 1974/75 budget year amounted to $ 85 million.
        The State Artillery Arsenal in Rock Islesnd (Illinois), currently numbering 6 workers, employees and scientists, is engaged in the development and production of field artillery pieces. In particular, in recent years, the development of 105- and 155-mm towed howitzers XM204 and XM198 is underway. In the laboratories of the arsenal, R&D is carried out in the field of creating new anti-corrosion coatings, non-metallic materials, lubricants and methods of packaging weapons.
        .

        Well, a lot of "so on" ...

        So learn the materiel, and do not boast of your ignorance ...
        Hat-covering is a very bad trait - you need to know the enemy.
        And you do not know anything, except what they will write to you in the training manual.
    2. Proton
      Proton April 14 2021 23: 26
      -1
      What are you talking about, the trunks are made by Reental, in Germany
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A April 15 2021 09: 44
        +1
        Quote: Proton
        What are you talking about, the trunks are made by Reental, in Germany


        Teach materiel.
        The trunks for Abrams are made by the Waterlite State Arsenal.
  • svp67
    svp67 April 14 2021 18: 53
    +21
    The author again, like many, falls for the trick of the Ukrainian tank industry. There are TWO "Oplot", this is the T-84 "Oplot"

    and T-84BM "Oplot"

    and in the article they are mixed. The Armed Forces do not have the T-84BM "Oplot" in service, they all went, mostly to Thailand and to a lesser extent in the United States, but the T-84 "Oplot" is there and now they are undergoing the process of modernization, but even after it they are already WORSE than our T -90M "Breakthrough"
    1. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor April 14 2021 19: 05
      +3
      I wonder what kind of t-80 VNaU park. How many more machines they can restore / upgrade. After all, its Ural-WagonZavod is not expected there.
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 14 2021 19: 08
        +8
        Quote: Nikon OConor
        I wonder what kind of t-80 VNaU park.

        An entire tank division was withdrawn there from the Southern Group of Forces on the T-80BV, about 350 tanks, it was quickly disbanded, and the tanks were partly sent for storage, partly for repair and disposal at the BTRZ-115 in Kharkov, since it was nearby and disbanded. What and how much they have left is not clear, but that something else is there and it is partially restored, so yes, it is.
        1. Nikon OConor
          Nikon OConor April 14 2021 19: 17
          +2
          Just a thought slipped through)) When the 80s run out, how will the Square justify itself for the impossibility of producing "their newest tanks"?
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 14 2021 19: 18
            +12
            Quote: Nikon OConor
            When the 80s are over, how will the Square be justified for the impossibility of producing "their newest tanks"?

            By this time, they will be either "Abrams", or "Leopards", or "Leclercs" from the landfill and rejoice ... It's a pity that they had a quarrel with China, then the tank dump is much larger
            1. Nikon OConor
              Nikon OConor April 14 2021 19: 29
              +5
              but then "something will die in the forest." The plant for the modernization of the T-80, for example, and a handful of related industries. The question will arise: "Why did the enterprises that produced" the latest tanks, which are better than Russian ones "die?
              But I think no one is going to answer such questions.
              For do not care !!!
              1. svp67
                svp67 April 14 2021 19: 30
                +9
                Quote: Nikon OConor
                ... The T-80 modernization plant, for example, and a handful of related industries.

                And he is almost dead ... Right now, by the 30th anniversary of Ukraine, they are trying to make a batch of T-84BM for the parade, so let's see what they can do.
                1. xorek
                  xorek April 14 2021 19: 49
                  +2
                  Quote: svp67
                  And he is almost dead ... Right now, by the 30th anniversary of Ukraine, they are trying to make a batch of T-84BM for the parade, so let's see what they can do.

                  Yes, nothing Sergei they will not succeed .. I will not be surprised if they put the decommissioned "Abrams", as for new and joy will be full of pants .. There is already agony. hi
                  1. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis April 14 2021 21: 06
                    +1
                    Quote: xorek
                    The agony is already on.

                    It goes, but the patient still cannot die. ... Twitches and twitches !!!
          2. Prisoner
            Prisoner April 14 2021 19: 53
            +4
            Don't worry about that. They have worked out method A. They will say that the Muscovites stole the technology with the help of Putin's agents.
        2. venik
          venik April 14 2021 21: 45
          0
          Quote: svp67
          What and how much they have left is not clear, but that something else is there and it is partially restored, so yes, it is.

          ========
          According to rumors (from Ukrainian comrades) somewhere approx. 50 were "shamanized", but in warehouses about the same ....... There is a colossal problem with the engines, although they were not thrown away during the disposal of 80 turbines, "canned" in one of the shops. Anyway, they have been lying for a long time, they are being examined and refurbished, and now there is no one to do this in Ukraine! From the same sources, it seems that they even turned to Motor Sich, but what ended up - it is not known - after all, tank turbines are not their profile ..... In addition, they rummage around the bottom of the barrel in search of T-80UD (here with engines - much easier), but there were few of them - everything went to the Pakistani contract back in the 90s!
        3. Alexga
          Alexga April 15 2021 01: 20
          0
          An entire tank division was withdrawn there from the Southern Group of Forces on the T-80BV

          Like during the withdrawal of YUGV, did they have T-64 weapons?
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 15 2021 11: 38
            0
            Quote: AlexGa
            Like during the withdrawal of YUGV, did they have T-64 weapons?

            Yes, excuse me, I confused the South with the North, from Poland from the NORTHERN Group of Forces 20th Panzer Zvenigorod Red Banner Division, Sventoshów. In 1992-93. withdrawn to KievVO, in the century. Bashkirovka, near the city of Chuguev, near the city of Kharkov with the disbandment of the compound.
            Total: 335 T-80 tanks, 274 BMP (148 BMP-2, 111 BMP-1, 15 BRM-1K), 27 BTR-60, 108 self-propelled guns (72 2S1, 36 2S3), 30 mortars 2S12, 18 MLRS Grad
            1. Alexga
              Alexga April 15 2021 16: 27
              +1
              19 Guards TD was redeployed to Belarus, arrived from T-64, which were quickly dismantled into 140 TRZ. now they are rearmed with T-72b.
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 April 15 2021 09: 27
        +1
        Quote: Nikon OConor
        I wonder what kind of t-80 VNaU park. How many more machines they can restore / upgrade. After all, its Ural-WagonZavod is not expected there.

        And why do they need "their own UVZ", on which the T 80 has never been produced or serviced / modernized, if Kharkovsky produced and serviced them? So as much as they pay, they will put it into operation, probably. They had there, it seems, about 600 pieces were originally, but how many remain and are suitable, probably they themselves do not know.
    2. venik
      venik April 14 2021 21: 33
      0
      Quote: svp67
      but the T-84 "Oplot" is there and now they are undergoing the process of modernization

      =======
      Well, actually there are already 10 pieces, of which 2 seemed to be transferred by the "owners" for review ... request
    3. Proton
      Proton April 14 2021 23: 29
      0
      And what's the use of them, if they are only a company? Well, they are, and what? "Cornet" one tooth.
  • iouris
    iouris April 14 2021 19: 25
    -1
    In short, minced meat cannot be turned back. And Bidon decided to breed the leader of the Indians, to promise him an exchange for glass beads.
    1. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor April 14 2021 19: 57
      -1
      I do not agree with the minced meat. The Soviet manual meat grinder "spits out" the unscrolled back.
      1. IL-18
        IL-18 April 14 2021 22: 20
        0
        It all depends on the length and pitch of the auger. Considering the greed of Ukrainians, the auger is short, i.e. not yet minced meat, but not meat either.
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev April 14 2021 19: 31
    -19%
    The T80 is basically an unsuccessful car.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv April 14 2021 19: 54
      +7
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      The T80 is basically an unsuccessful car.

      Hello.

      Justify.
      Why is one of the best tanks of the late 20th century (and still good) unsuccessful?
      Only you will be kind specifically and clearly (without tankos ... ahem), after all, the tankers will read you too.))
    2. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor April 14 2021 20: 01
      +7
      The T-80 was created for certain conditions. Combat operations with radioactive / chemical contamination at temperatures ranging from polar to subtropical. It fully complies with the stated requirements. Where is the tank unsuccessful?
      1. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev April 15 2021 11: 52
        +1
        It is unfortunate that he is too highly specialized, created for a war that will never happen, in his history, but he cannot fight where it is hot now (there are wars), he is too expensive to maintain, eats fuel and is gentle.
        1. Nikon OConor
          Nikon OConor April 15 2021 18: 46
          +1
          The "success" of the product, I think, depends on the compliance with the tasks. And not from the price, or from the fact that there may be no reason to use this product for its intended purpose.
          ICBMs (mine and on various carriers) are also expensive and highly specialized, and most likely will not be used. But no one says that they are unsuccessful.
          What can I say? Everyone buys a fire extinguisher and a first aid kit for a car, but the probability of their use is extremely low (in the ratio of the number of cars and such accidents with them in order to use these funds).
          With respect.
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 14 2021 20: 50
      +7
      T-80 is the best Soviet / Russian tank. It is more expensive to manufacture than the T-72 - T-90.
      Therefore, it did not become the main tank.
      But the performance characteristics of the T-80 are better.
      1. loki565
        loki565 April 14 2021 21: 21
        +1
        T-80 is the best Soviet / Russian tank. It is more expensive to manufacture than the T-72 - T-90.
        Therefore, it did not become the main tank.
        But the performance characteristics of the T-80 are better

        Its price was mainly due to the gas turbine engine, there was no diesel of such power before. It has both pros and cons.
        1. Proton
          Proton April 14 2021 23: 34
          0
          Somehow everyone forgot that the T-80 is a breakthrough tank, for that, the GTE was put on it
      2. 3danimal
        3danimal April 14 2021 22: 39
        +1
        And what are the advantages, except for the GTE? The filling in the T-90 is better. The autoloader and ammunition vehicle are still located among the crew.
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev April 15 2021 11: 53
          0
          GTE is a huge disadvantage.
          1. 3danimal
            3danimal April 15 2021 15: 42
            -1
            The GTE has a smaller size with the same power.
            At the time of the release of the 80s, there was no diesel engine similar in power, so the decision of the designers is clear.
            IMHO, it is necessary to unify the tank fleet as much as possible - with an emphasis on the T-72B3 and T-90.
            80s to sell to those who wish request
      3. Viktor Sergeev
        Viktor Sergeev April 15 2021 11: 50
        0
        Is T80 the best? Maybe for parades, but not for war, which is why T72 was sent to fight in Chechnya. The tank is good not with beautiful numbers in performance characteristics, but with the ability to fight, and here the T72 (90) has no equal.
        1. 3danimal
          3danimal April 15 2021 15: 35
          -1
          It is bad that the project "Black Eagle", with AZ in the niche of the tower, did not find development. That would bring him closer to Leclerc in terms of crew survivability, IMHO.
    4. 113262a
      113262a April 14 2021 20: 56
      +2
      You yourself are ... unlucky!
    5. IL-18
      IL-18 April 14 2021 22: 21
      0
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      The T80 is basically an unsuccessful car.

      Oh, how! belay
  • Alexey Lamonov
    Alexey Lamonov April 14 2021 19: 36
    +5
    The author of the article is not known and why he posted this vinigret is also not clear. The impression is that this is a duty article.
  • xorek
    xorek April 14 2021 19: 44
    +1
    What's the use of comparing ..? The main thing here is the crew and motivation, and then the tank of any modification becomes a terrible force .. Many "Western hawks" began to forget about this .. hi
    1. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor April 14 2021 20: 19
      -1
      A bike or not? In the Donbass, the IS-3 was removed from the pedestal (or taken out of the warehouses) and several independent tanks were crumbled with it. It was like 14-15 years old.
      1. xorek
        xorek April 14 2021 20: 31
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        Quote: Nikon OConor
        A bike or not? In the Donbass, the IS-3 was removed from the pedestal (or taken out of the warehouses) and several independent tanks were crumbled with it. It was like 14-15 years old.

        Not a bike, it was like that .. They started and worked as it should, by the way there were a lot of such tanks in Russia, etc. It would seem time, they started a little podshamaniv .. We knew how to make tanks in those days! hi soldier
        1. Nikon OConor
          Nikon OConor April 14 2021 20: 36
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          This is the point. It doesn't matter what the fighter has in his hands: an AK-47, a WWII-era tank, or (as in Yoslavia) an S-75. The main thing is that he knows how to use it, and is not afraid that it will not work out. We also exploited the "Voevoda" according to the maxim " soldier
          1. sabakina
            sabakina April 14 2021 21: 43
            +5
            It was a business ...


            A "monument" to the savvy of Donbass militias has been erected in the center of Kiev!
            This story took place in the spring of 2014. Under cover of night, a tractor was driven to the historical museum, from which the IS-3 tank moved under its own power. The inscriptions on the tanks "For Lvov" and "For Kiev" were painted over most likely so that the Kievites would not ask unnecessary questions. In the spring, when there was still no "mythical Russian army" and thousands of "mythical Russian tanks" in Donbass, people were already dying in Odessa on May 2, the police department and citizens of Mariupol were shot on May 9. On May 26, when Poroshenko had already come to power, Donetsk was shot from planes and helicopters of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The militias did not have serious weapons at that time and turned to their historical memory and it turned out to be quite combat-ready. The tank, which had stood for more than half a century on a pedestal in the city of Konstantinovka, wound up and drove off. The gun on it was out of order and local men installed a machine gun on the tower. With this simple weapon they went to war. At the checkpoint of the "Azov" battalion, they did not expect a meeting with the armored vehicles of the "terrorists", moreover, so ancient. The factor of surprise helped the local men win this battle, but it was impossible to get away from the pursuit on the IS-3. The militiamen hid the tank in the forest, removing the machine gun, and left unnoticed. After a while, the Ukrainian paratroopers found the tank. They shot a video and posted it on the Internet. Then fragments of this video in the Ukrainian media entered the plot of how the Ukrainian army recaptured a tank from the "separatists". In Russia, this act of ordinary Donetsk peasants aroused respect and admiration! A short video "How the IS-3 was brought in in Konstantinovka" was shown in the Russian news. The Kiev authorities said they would return the tank to its place after the victory. The militias want the same, but they assure that they will do it themselves.
        2. 3danimal
          3danimal April 14 2021 22: 42
          +1
          And if you dig, it turns out that he worked on an infantry fighting vehicle or a T-55.
          Against any modern tank (even an Abrams with a 100mm cannon), the IS-3 is a clumsy target.
      2. Errr
        Errr April 14 2021 21: 34
        +1
        Quote: Nikon OConor
        A bike or not? In the Donbass, the IS-3 was removed from the pedestal (or taken out of the warehouses) and several independent tanks were crumbled with it. It was like 14-15 years old.
        Alas, the gun was "demilitarized" (rendered incapable of combat).
        https://obs.in.ua/news/interesno/15251-kak-boeviki-dnr-ispolzovali-tank-snyatyj-s-postamenta
        1. Nikon OConor
          Nikon OConor April 14 2021 21: 43
          -4
          The publication "Ukrainian Youth Portal" has published a very interesting material - a study of the fate of the IS-3 tank,

          How is your head? The most believable resource - the dormitory of the Square -
          "https://obs.in.ua/news/interesno/15251-kak-boeviki-dnr-ispolzovali-tank-snyatyj-s-postamenta"
          1. Nikon OConor
            Nikon OConor April 14 2021 21: 48
            -5
            B ... (low social responsibility). Your brain is demitalized, have you thought about human rights yet?
          2. Errr
            Errr April 14 2021 21: 50
            +2
            Quote: Nikon OConor
            How is your head?
            The head is still fine. smile
            You can read about the same on another resource. Will "Antimaydan" suit you?
            It happened in the village of Konstantinovka, where the tank stood for long, long decades on a pedestal. At first, the militia forces had a serious problem with weapons and equipment, and therefore everything that could go was used. So this "old man" IS-3 went to defend the lands of Donbass. Of course, he could no longer shoot from a gun, and therefore a DShK was installed on the tower.
            https://antimaydan.info/2020/07/kak_slozhilas_sudba_tanka_is_3_kotoryj_opolchency_snyali_s_postamenta_i_na.html
            1. Nikon OConor
              Nikon OConor April 14 2021 21: 58
              -3
              Vshe right!
              https://obs.in.ua/news/interesno/15251-kak-boeviki-dnr-ispolzovali-tank-snyatyj-s-postamenta
              https://antimaydan.info/2020/07/kak_slozhilas_sudba_tanka_is_3_kotoryj_opolchency_snyali_s_postamenta_i_na.html
              We will find many more links.
              The truth is. that many unmarked graves are bulldozed.
              1. Errr
                Errr April 14 2021 22: 00
                +1
                And what about the bulldozers?
      3. Avior
        Avior April 14 2021 22: 23
        +3
        they crumbled several independent tanks

        Bike. There were a lot of them then. The tank was removed from the pedestal in the museum near Konstantinovka. There the cannon was not combat-ready, the monument is all the same. They were promoting propaganda for about a month, then the tank was seized by the Ukrainian side, they also drove it, now the tank is in the Nikolaev region in the museum, the locals want to return it back to the pedestal in the museum near Konstantinovka.
  • Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima April 14 2021 19: 54
    -1
    The trouble is, the United States has not yet heard about the successes of other Ukrainian tanks of Soviet origin ...
    Anti-tank 100-mm guns MT-12 "Rapier" and T-64BM "Bulat" tanks stopped the offensive of the "aggressor", the enemy tanks were destroyed.

    Why do they need a Stronghold?
    1. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor April 14 2021 20: 25
      -2
      I will reorient my question to you:
      A bike or not? In the Donbass, the IS-3 was removed from the pedestal (or taken out of the warehouses) and several independent tanks were crumbled with it. It was like 14-15 years old.
      1. Ruslan Sulima
        Ruslan Sulima April 14 2021 20: 53
        +5
        A bike or not?

        Well, what about crumbled, it's definitely a bike) And so, the cars removed from the pedestals and put on the move then had a good influence on the information sphere.
        We have T 34 in Khartsyzsk. Today he smiled, a banner at the entrance to the city from the side of Makeyevka - this tank on a pedestal (well, it's a monument) and the text Welcome to Khartsyzsk
        1. Nikon OConor
          Nikon OConor April 14 2021 21: 01
          -6
          Hold on. We need a provocation, no matter how cynical it sounds ... we need it. As in Ossetia.
          1. Dmitry Izmalkov
            Dmitry Izmalkov April 14 2021 21: 04
            -3
            For a war with the United States? Not working for China?
            1. Nikon OConor
              Nikon OConor April 14 2021 21: 05
              -1
              Unlike you, I swore an oath.
              1. Dmitry Izmalkov
                Dmitry Izmalkov April 14 2021 21: 07
                0
                Why do we need this war? Territories and so enough resources too. Imperial ambitions?
                1. Nikon OConor
                  Nikon OConor April 14 2021 21: 28
                  0
                  Will you write off 300000 Russian citizens as losses? The oath reads - "To defend the constitutional order, people and fatherland." This is how our People live there.
          2. Terenin
            Terenin April 14 2021 21: 08
            +7
            Quote: Nikon OConor
            Hold on. We need a provocation, no matter how cynical it sounds ... we need it. As in Ossetia.

            Oddly enough, this provocation is not needed in the first place by the United States. Because they understand its consequences and the loss of Ukraine for them. They will not do anything against our army, but they will lose the bridgehead in Ukraine. It is like a bad dream for them.
          3. Ruslan Sulima
            Ruslan Sulima April 14 2021 21: 11
            +2
            Hold on. We need a provocation, no matter how cynical it sounds ... we need it. As in Ossetia.

            Thank you, of course, but I would like it without provocation)
            But seriously, how many more do you need? ...
            Politics...
            1. Nikon OConor
              Nikon OConor April 14 2021 22: 10
              -1
              Sumerians swooped in ..
  • Dmitry Izmalkov
    Dmitry Izmalkov April 14 2021 21: 03
    -6
    Oplot-M could become one of the best MBTs in the world, if not the best, given the proper quality and quantity of production.
    1. Nikon OConor
      Nikon OConor April 14 2021 21: 09
      -2
      Are you insane? It is the proper quality. and the possibility of export purchases forms the title of "best" or "sufficient" MBT.
      1. Nikon OConor
        Nikon OConor April 14 2021 21: 16
        -1
        Strange, classic - F.M. Dostoevsky called his work "", but on VO it is considered not "tolerant".
        1. Nikon OConor
          Nikon OConor April 14 2021 21: 19
          -3
          Tin. even in quotes ... "IDIOT" !!!!
  • DMi
    DMi April 14 2021 21: 25
    +4
    500k green is not even worth BU T72 ancient modifications.
    Abrams from the very beginning cost from 2 million. These are the very first stock options.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina April 14 2021 21: 58
      -7
      Quote: DMi
      500k green is not even worth BU T72 ancient modifications.
      Abrams from the very beginning cost from 2 million. These are the very first stock options.

      What difference does it make to you whether you burn in a tank for 500 green or 2 million green?
      1. DMi
        DMi April 14 2021 22: 47
        +1
        In the garden elderberry, and in Kiev uncle.
  • usr01
    usr01 April 14 2021 21: 49
    0
    I remembered ..
    "-All tanks will attack !!! (stronghold)
    -What, all two ??? !!! "
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets April 14 2021 22: 52
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    Quote: Dmitry Izmalkov
    Oplot-M could become one of the best MBTs in the world, if not the best, given the proper quality and quantity of production.

    it even became interesting since when does the tank become the best in connection with the proper number of copies produced ????
  • Klingon
    Klingon April 14 2021 23: 59
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    Quote: Nikon OConor
    Too lazy to search. In 2-3 words, what a disastrous performance?

    AZ jammed, the gunner cursed and lamented that they did not have Joe or Fritz in the crew instead of AZ
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus April 15 2021 12: 27
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    He and the other modification of the Soviet 80s. But the latest modernization of the 80s in Russia is very impressive. Let the Americans compare this.
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 April 16 2021 13: 11
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    Let them first build at least 100 of these "Braids" and carry out their military exploitation, and then it will be seen who is worth what ..