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Gazprom will lay another stream - Soyuz Vostok

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Source: gazprom.ru


"Strength" is money too


On a holiday on April 12, 2021, it became known that the feasibility study (TEA) of the project for the construction of a gas trunkline with the space name "Soyuz Vostok" was approved. The gas pipeline should be a continuation of the Russian Power of Siberia-2 gas pipeline.

Earlier it was reported about the development of a more voluminous project document - a full-scale feasibility study (FS), but this requires much more time. It is already known that a feasibility study, including a detailed calculation of investment and operating costs, will be developed by the end of 2021.

Regardless of the timing of the development of the feasibility study, the approved TEA allows design work to be carried out according to a shortened schedule, starting ahead of the technical project (TP). The TP may also include the key provisions of the feasibility study, despite the fact that they may well subsequently change.

Gazprom is currently developing a comprehensive TEA project for the supply of pipeline gas from Russia to China through Mongolia, which also includes developments via the Soyuz Vostok gas pipeline. The main parameters of the project, primarily technical ones, were worked out within the framework of the TEA.

It is known that Power of Siberia - 2 is a project of a two-line gas pipeline with a length of about 6700 kilometers, of which 2700 kilometers must pass through the territory of Russia. The gas pipeline is designed for a pressure of 10 MPa with a pipe diameter of 1420 mm.

Gazprom will lay another stream - Soyuz Vostok

Power of Siberia - 2 makes it possible to open the way for gas from fields in Western Siberia directly to the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region in western China.

A detailed study of the financial part may well be discussed later. The project is tentatively estimated in amounts comparable to Nord Stream 2, although by all indications it may turn out to be much more complicated. Currently, we are talking about a very wide price range - from 4,5 to 13,6 billion dollars.

To the East in front, to the forest in the back?


However, as noted in the press service of PJSC "Gazprom", at present the most important thing is that the optimal route has been determined along which the gas pipeline route will pass through the territory of Mongolia. In addition, not only the length of the gas pipeline has been calculated, but also the working diameter, pressure and even the number of compressor stations.

Preliminary calculated indicators of the project confirm the necessary economic efficiency of its implementation. The financing scheme has not yet been approved, although the successful experience of Nord Stream 2 will almost certainly be used.

Experts have already had time to ask the price of the export potential of the new project, although they usually talk not specifically about the Soyuz Vostok gas pipeline, but more broadly, about Power of Siberia - 2. Its capacity, in accordance with the pre-design work, should exceed the capacity of the Power of Siberia gas pipeline by at least 30 percent.

It is the high export potential of the new project that will allow Gazprom to free itself from its rigid attachment to Western buyers, having a promising eastern direction in reserve. This will make it possible to supply gas from Western Siberia for export in large volumes not only to the west, but also to the east.

The Soyuz Vostok gas pipeline is characterized by efficiency that is rare for projects of this scale. The first hints at the prospect of supplying gas to China through Mongolia, that is, directly, were sounded only at the end of 2019, but even then only in the context of the launch of the Power of Siberia - 2 project.

However, a memorandum of understanding between Gazprom and the government of Mongolia was signed almost immediately. The idea, which immediately caught the eye, began to take on real shape.

Already in March, without much noise and promotion, the head of the gas concern Alexei Miller received an order from the President of the country. However, again it was about work for Power of Siberia - 2 - the development of a feasibility study and design and survey work.

Designers and surveyors began to work only in May of the past pandemic year. And only in August 2020, another memorandum was signed with Mongolia - on the upcoming creation of a special company on its territory - an analogue of the Nord Stream operator Nord Stream AG.

The project then went into the shadows, it was overshadowed by the sanctions problems. But in January 2021 it became known that the feasibility study would be ready in the first quarter of this year. The evaluation of the designers confirmed that the project would not only be profitable, but also technically feasible.

At the same time, no one hid the difficulties - the new pipe must pass through the seismically active region. Power of Siberia - 2 also has a lot of problems with this, not so long ago, a couple of hundred kilometers from the highway, it was shaking under 9 points. And environmentalists constantly put sticks in the wheels.

About PR and the Russian atom


While the first Power of Siberia was very frankly and not always justifiably advertised as a direct alternative to gas supplies to Europe, the second was different. To all appearances, it was decided to spend money on PR to a minimum, especially taking into account complaints about the very scheme of financing the first project.

Critics clearly did not like the fact that China, the main buyer, paid mostly with delays, or only promised to pay for the gas already supplied. As regards the Power of Siberia-2 project, and hence the Soyuz Vostok gas pipeline, in this sense, little has changed.

It is good that at least someone had the idea to announce the approval of the TEA on the day of the 60th anniversary of the space age, and to give the project a “space name”. And the project is still being spent primarily on the Russian gas concern. However, this does not mean at all that the notorious pipe is almost doomed to be idle or that it will force our gas workers to give up theirs almost for nothing.

One gets the impression that gas workers have adopted business technologies that have already been tested and work well for Russian nuclear scientists. Those, as has already been written more than once in the "Military Review" (How is the Russian atom sold?), do not hesitate to lend to the construction of nuclear facilities abroad from their own funds.

Thus, it is not only Rosatom's clients who for long periods of time become its debtors, roughly speaking, hostages - including in terms of nuclear fuel supplies, repairs, maintenance, and so on. etc.

But this is the same thing in Rosatom that provides jobs, and also for many years to come, for thousands of highly qualified workers in the advanced industry. Someone, perhaps, will say that billions of state money are spent on this?

But, in our opinion, this is much better than primitively putting those billions in a box, or buying gold with them, or (and this is the worst thing) investing in reserves - that is, in foreign assets of competitors. Which on our own money will then stifle us with their sanctions.
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  1. Svarog
    Svarog April 16 2021 15: 07
    +49
    But, in our opinion, this is much better than primitively putting those billions in a box, or buying gold with them, or (and this is the worst thing) investing in reserves - that is, in foreign assets of competitors. Which on our own money will then stifle us with their sanctions.

    Of course "better" .. it is better to wrap the whole world in pipes .. than to engage in production, science, education .. pharmacology .. to increase the population of citizens of the Russian Federation ..
    And our own territory is "gasified" .. and the national property is free for the people ..
    And with the Power of Siberia ... that there was not enough gas?
    1. WHAT IS
      WHAT IS April 16 2021 15: 16
      +43
      invest in reserves - that is, in foreign assets of competitors. Which on our own money will then stifle us with their sanctions.
      In general, this is some kind of surrealism. Money should be invested in industry, science, and not in overseas assets.
      1. tech3030
        tech3030 April 17 2021 08: 57
        +8
        The hucksters need a quick income, they don't care about the rest! "Homeland is where the ass is warm."
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee April 16 2021 15: 16
      +22
      Quote: Svarog
      better to wrap the whole world in pipes.
      1. vadsonen
        vadsonen April 16 2021 17: 38
        +15
        Oil-nurse, holy hydrocarbon
      2. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED April 17 2021 14: 49
        +3
        better to wrap the whole world in pipes.

        Critics clearly did not like the fact that China, the main buyer, paid mostly with delays, or only promised to pay for the gas already supplied. As regards the Power of Siberia-2 project, and hence the Soyuz Vostok gas pipeline, in this sense, little has changed.


    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 April 16 2021 15: 19
      -6
      That through the Power of Siberia, that through similar projects are gasified and those places in the country where there is no gas. One pulls the other. Specifically in Amurka, for example. With its laying, several huge processing plants are being built. What doesn't suit you?)
      1. credo
        credo April 16 2021 15: 38
        +15
        Quote: carstorm 11
        That through the Power of Siberia, that through similar projects are gasified and those places in the country where there is no gas. One pulls the other. Specifically in Amurka, for example. With its laying, several huge processing plants are being built. What doesn't suit you?)

        I think that many are not satisfied with the fact that the speed of construction of any routes for exporting natural resources from the territory of Russia does not correspond to the speed of increasing the well-being of both the population and the country as a whole.
        But besides this, for example, I have a natural question of the expediency and reliability of laying a gas pipeline through Mongolia. The United States has already significantly weakened it and spawned tame NPOs there, with the help of which you can create the same problems as with the SP-2. In this situation, is it worth the effort and wouldn't it be better to find other ways of supplying raw materials so as not to step on the same rake again.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 April 16 2021 15: 41
          -5
          We, as a country, already consume more gas than almost all of Europe. Export is 30-35 percent of the extracted.
          1. credo
            credo April 16 2021 15: 59
            +10
            Quote: carstorm 11
            We, as a country, already consume more gas than almost all of Europe. Export is 30-35 percent of the extracted.

            The persistence and persistence with which Russia is laying gas pipelines to different countries of the world for any person who does not have complete and reliable information, there is a feeling that for Russia the sale of gas is a significant source of income for the country's budget.
            The most "perspicacious" citizens of Russia and foreign countries see in the sale of gas only a way for Russia to tie up gas buyers even to the detriment of the country's budget.

            What else I do not know here, but according to information from V.V. Putin's oil and gas revenues make up 30% of the country's budget, which means that we still sell a lot of raw materials instead of processing it domestically and selling semi-finished or finished products for export.
            1. Konstantin Gogolev
              Konstantin Gogolev April 16 2021 16: 30
              +7
              Quote: credo
              oil and gas revenues make up 30% of countries' budgets


              Revenues of Russia from the export of natural gas (in billions of dollars), data of the Federal Customs Service of the Russian Federation:
              2000 - 16,64
              2001 - 17,77
              2002 - 15,89
              2003 - 19,98
              2004 - 21,85
              2005 - 31,67
              2006 - 43,8
              2007 - 44,83
              2008 - 69,1
              2009 - 41,97
              2010 - 47,73
              2011 - 64,29
              2012 - 62,25
              2013 - 65,97
              2014 - 54,68
              2015 - 41,77
              2016 - 31,18
              2017 - 38,66
              2018 - 49,75
              2019 - 41,78
              2020 - 25,24
              January 2021 - 3,39 (+ 8,4%)
              Of course, the percentage of income falls. Only it falls due to the fact that they buy less, due to the redistribution of the market itself (US LNG, Turkmen gas, etc.) and the fall in gas prices. Thanks to the turmoil in Syria, Qatar is not yet so active.
              1. sleeve
                sleeve April 20 2021 12: 01
                0
                Why is there so little? Where, then, is "30% of government revenues?" Oil?
          2. Black lotos
            Black lotos April 17 2021 12: 48
            0
            Quote: carstorm 11
            We, as a country, already consume more gas than almost all of Europe. Export is 30-35 percent of the extracted.

            Due to climatic conditions (the coldest country in the world), almost half of the energy produced in Russia is spent on heating. Unfortunately, this greatly affects the cost of any product in the country.
            In general, insolation is important both for the economy and for the well-being of people.
            1. FrankyStein
              FrankyStein April 18 2021 00: 36
              +5
              Nonsense, in China and the states, air conditioners consume even more energy. In China, there is a box under every window.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza April 16 2021 15: 39
        +22
        Quote: carstorm 11
        What doesn't suit you?)

        I would like to see a plan for gasification of Russian villages. And a victorious report: All villages are gasified!
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 April 16 2021 15: 43
          -11%
          The union somehow could not) why did you decide that with much less opportunities and resources now this can happen quickly?)
          1. WHAT IS
            WHAT IS April 16 2021 16: 08
            +22
            The Union could have been able if it hadn't been ruined. We didn’t get out of business trips in the eighties until the early nineties when gas was supplied to the villages. The country found money, desire, time, and opportunities for this business. But now it has become unprofitable, that's the whole story, how small villages have stood since then (where they did not have time to carry out) without gas, and are still standing.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog April 16 2021 16: 31
              +16
              Quote: WHAT IS
              And now it has become unprofitable, that's the whole story, how small villages have stood since then (where they did not have time to spend) without gas, and are still standing.

              Since then, there are already many fewer small villages left .. optimized .. and continue to optimize us .. or dispose of .. the words are somehow similar ...
            2. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 April 16 2021 16: 48
              -14%
              I don't like to play this game. Maybe he could. Or maybe not. In any case, he had a lot of time for this. But could not.
              1. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi April 16 2021 17: 33
                +15
                Quote: carstorm 11
                In any case, he had a lot of time for this.

                And how much is a heap? If chu, then gas production from the late 60s began to develop in the USSR. If we are talking about commodity volumes, and not about a local field. And the whole Soviet gasification was about 20 years old. 1.5 times less time than new capitalism as a whole,. or exactly the same as in developed Putinism in particular.
                Therefore, be so kind as to operate with numbers, like an adult, and not heaps, seas, and from here to the fence, like a child who has not gone to school.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 April 16 2021 17: 38
                  -11%
                  over the period from 2005 to 2015, 1802 gas pipelines with a total length of more than 26 thousand km were built in Russia, conditions were provided for gasification of over 700 thousand apartments and households, more than 4 thousand boiler houses. As a result, the level of gasification with natural gas in Russia reached 31% by December 2015, 66,2 (in cities - 70,4%, in rural areas - 56,1%). here are the numbers. The first gasification plan in the USSR was in 66. On my 23rd exit. I could be wrong. I don't remember exactly his number
                  1. Lannan Shi
                    Lannan Shi April 16 2021 18: 27
                    +20
                    Quote: carstorm 11
                    for the period from 2005 to 2015

                    Well, in the USSR, in 1971 alone, 3 million apartments and houses were supplied with gas. Feel the difference. 0.7 million in 10 years, and 3 million in 1 year. And this despite the fact that the technique was half a century old. And the most advanced construction company in the world, not the fact that, in terms of equipment, it reached some current office of "horns and hooves" from the muhokakinsk regional center dying of lack of money.
                    PS
                    And the most important was gasified... And not "provided the conditions for gasification", in style - there is a horizon, and behind it, five kilometers away, there is a pipe, so connect to it.
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 April 16 2021 18: 39
                      -13%
                      This is the dynamics. When something just starts, the numbers are always impressive. From scratch. Then a plateau comes and everything slows down, which is quite normal. Data let's say 81 years old are not so brave)
                      1. Lannan Shi
                        Lannan Shi April 16 2021 19: 37
                        +15
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        This is the dynamics.

                        Heal anyone else with your speakers. From the category of those for whom the construction of a 200-storey skyscraper, and a dog kennel, tasks of one plan, and one level of difficulty. And you don't need me.
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        When something starts, the numbers are impressive

                        May I ask an immodest question? Are you an outspoken humanist? The bulldozer was seen only on TV, and the hammer only in dreams, nightmares?
                        On fingers. The construction of highways and gas pipelines are ideologically similar to each other. The central highway is being laid. Local snakes come from it. And I will reveal a terrible secret. Laying the Tyumen-Moscow highway, about eight lanes (analogous to the main gas pipeline), is many times more difficult and more expensive than pulling local primers and gravel roads from it (analogous to local gas pipelines). Even if there are 20 km of these primers per 1 km of the highway, primers will still be cheaper and will be delivered faster. So it comes down? And if the USSR was forced to build highways from scratch, then modern Russia is not able to stretch out primers from these very highways.
                        Quote: carstorm 11
                        Then a plateau comes and everything slows down

                        A plateau occurs when figures who can only reason about plateaus, peaks and troughs seep up. But they are absolutely not adapted to work. That, in principle, we are now seeing. negative
                      2. Narak-zempo
                        Narak-zempo April 18 2021 08: 55
                        -2
                        You talk so confidently about the pace.
                        And answer yourself: what is the return from gasification of depressed villages?
                      3. Sergey Krasnodar
                        Sergey Krasnodar April 25 2021 22: 31
                        0
                        I think that after gasification they will stop being depressed
                      4. Narak-zempo
                        Narak-zempo April 25 2021 22: 45
                        -1
                        Quote: Sergey Krasnodar
                        I think that after gasification they will stop being depressed

                        What, as the pipe is stretched, the people will immediately stop drinking and run to work?
                        I do not believe.
              2. toha124
                toha124 April 20 2021 18: 35
                +1
                Then it was about the mass gasification of new city houses. It was they who gave such figures. Now, if the developer has the opportunity, the house will not be supplied with gas. It is not beneficial to anyone. Now the problem lies in the gasification of villages and villages. So comparing absolute numbers is simply pointless.
            3. WHAT IS
              WHAT IS April 16 2021 18: 30
              +19
              Quote: carstorm 11
              As a result, the level of gasification with natural gas in Russia reached 31% by December 2015, 66,2 (in cities - 70,4%, in rural areas - 56,1%). here are the numbers.

              Again, even undisguised slyness. They are absolutely for idiots - how many of these percent fell on gasification, the Soviet monsieur again mysteriously kept silent.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 April 16 2021 18: 40
                -18%
                How many?) Did the USSR build secret gas pipelines and use them at Gazprom?)))) Why write these nonsense?)
            4. antivirus
              antivirus April 16 2021 19: 20
              +3
              engraving cups is a job that requires self-denial ...

              more praise achievements
            5. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 16 2021 21: 35
              +2
              Residential high-rise buildings seem to have been banned from supplying gas.
          2. dauria
            dauria April 17 2021 10: 36
            0
            how many developed Putinism


            It is something !!! good The name of an entire era ...

            "Under the banner of Edra, forward to the victory of Putinism throughout the world!"
      3. ccsr
        ccsr April 16 2021 18: 32
        +4
        Quote: WHAT IS
        The union would have been able to if it hadn't been ruined. We did not get out of business trips in the eighties until the early nineties when gas was supplied to the villages.

        The Union could do a lot, but at the same time, in the Dmitrovsky district of the Moscow region, they could not build a gas pipeline to the villages, and all residents ordered cylinders with liquefied gas in Lobnya or Dmitrov. And this is 20-30 km from Moscow, where many gas pipelines passed. Well, they could not supply gas to every village, it was too expensive, and I am not even talking about the rest of the USSR. Even in the Crimea, liquefied gas in cylinders was transported, and it was pumped into containers in the courtyards of apartment buildings at that time. But now there are so many critics that it becomes surprising - people have no idea that the efficiency of the main gas pipeline is many times higher than the local networks, so if you want to live well, you have to trade in something that pays well for. But from profit and to develop our internal network - there is no other way to find under sanctions.
        1. ycuce234-san
          ycuce234-san April 17 2021 09: 19
          +2
          It is more logical not to gasify but heat such remote and small oil refinery with modern technologies - to use wells with heat pumps, solar collectors and panels.
  2. ilya1982
    ilya1982 April 16 2021 16: 53
    +3
    When you want, it is better not to restrain yourself, but to search on the official website.
    https://gazprommap.ru/
    There will be no relations
  3. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 April 16 2021 17: 09
    -10%
    "By 2030, the technically possible gasification in our country will be 100% completed. We have also signed plans-schedules for the synchronization of works for 2021 with the regions. Starting from January 1, Gazprom and the regions are gaining a completely new speed, new pace of work," - noted Miller.

    He added that the company has also set gasification targets until 2025. In particular, the volume of Gazprom's investments by the indicated date will amount to 526,1 billion rubles, 24,4 thousand kilometers of pipelines will be built and 3 settlements will be supplied with gas. "By the end of 632, network gasification will be fully completed in 2025 regions of the Russian Federation. This will amount to 35% of the technically possible network gasification in the country," the head of Gazprom said.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 16 2021 21: 37
      -1
      “By 2030, the technically possible gasification in our country will be 100% completed. 82% is really 100% vryatli.
    2. Nazar
      Nazar April 19 2021 07: 43
      -3
      carstorm 11 - 100% gasification? Well, well, this is probably immediately after the creation of 25 million high-tech jobs or immediately after the "import substitution" in the aircraft industry and agriculture .... that is, NEVER. request
  • Trotil42
    Trotil42 April 17 2021 09: 50
    -2
    Quote: carstorm 11
    That through the Power of Siberia, that through similar projects are gasified and those places in the country where there is no gas. One pulls the other. Specifically in Amurka, for example. With its laying, several huge processing plants are being built. What doesn't suit you?)

    Not satisfied? Losses of Gazprom ... Miller's salary is several times higher than the salary of the President of the United States ... Theft ... The mediocrity of the leadership .. The pointlessness of the development of hydrocarbon energy .. Now name at least one reason for the development of this industry?
  • Nazar
    Nazar April 19 2021 07: 39
    -2
    carstorm 11 - I'm not happy with the fact that all the products of this processing will go to China, and the money for it will go offshore.
    Therefore, they are building processing close to the border - it is easier to export.
  • Vinnibuh
    Vinnibuh April 16 2021 15: 28
    +14
    Samara, the so-called "old city" (this is really in the center) there are huts for the devil knows what year, nude and water, there is no gas, no sewage and water from the columns. Some kind of sur.
    1. WHAT IS
      WHAT IS April 16 2021 15: 32
      +17
      Quote: carstorm 11
      through similar projects, those places in the country where there is no gas are also supplied. One pulls the other. Specifically in Amurka

      Everyone is happy for the Amur Region, it was lucky that the pipe passed through them, and in order to gasify the rest of the regions, this is how many export pipes need to be laid, if one is guided by such a criterion for gasification of the country ...
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 April 16 2021 15: 40
        -11%
        It's not that someone is lucky, but that everything is going well. How do you imagine gasification? To drag a separate gas pipeline from the central ones to each village?
        1. vl903
          vl903 April 16 2021 16: 32
          +8
          at least our factories were given preferential prices. all production in the country was mowed down to please China.
        2. aleks neym_2
          aleks neym_2 April 16 2021 16: 35
          +3
          Dragging a gas pipe to every village is a question. Maybe LNG is a solution to the problem for remote places - you have to think ...
        3. Nazar
          Nazar April 19 2021 07: 48
          -3
          carstorm 11 - quote: "Should I drag a separate gas pipeline from the central ones to each village?" - and why, everything is easier - in each village to bury a gas tank and to drive LNG not "to take away" but to supply its citizens, but only then how to replenish accounts in offshore - eh?
          1. Siberian54
            Siberian54 April 19 2021 18: 57
            +3
            Nazar \ Will a resident of a small town or village pull the bill for gas from a gas tank?
            1. Nazar
              Nazar April 20 2021 02: 49
              0
              sibiryak54 - I am answering you as a resident of a small town in Siberia (Ulan-Ude) - residents cannot afford to pay for gas, I tried it myself - I installed a gas boiler in my house and ... in the very first winter I replaced it with a local wood-burning boiler. The republic is not supplied with gas, gas was taken in cylinders - it turned out to be extremely unprofitable.
              I'm talking a little about something else - we have two city CHPPs on coal. It is technically quite possible to convert them to LNG, coal, in terms of thermal units, is much more expensive than LNG, and ecology, again, today all the coal soot from the CHP plant is eventually washed off in the Selenga in the spring and goes through it to Baikal.
      2. apro
        apro April 16 2021 15: 56
        +7
        Quote: WHAT IS
        Everyone is happy for the Amur Region, it was lucky that the pipe passed through them.

        You shouldn’t think so. I live in the Amur Region. The mayor started transferring boiler houses to gas. The price tag was rolled in. It’s cheaper to heat fuel oil. And the price of heating will jump to a loved one.
        1. VORON538
          VORON538 April 20 2021 14: 17
          -1
          The Amur Region is large, but there are few cities. What city are you talking about?
          1. apro
            apro April 20 2021 14: 22
            0
            Belogorsk ....
            1. VORON538
              VORON538 April 20 2021 14: 26
              -1
              Whatever they say, but Melyukov is still a good mayor. Not that we had a grandmother in Blagoe. The current Imameev is not yet clear. They promise to start gasification gradually from the Svobodnensky district. We have a gas pipeline a few kilometers from the CHPP. And nothing. Silence. ...
              1. apro
                apro April 20 2021 14: 31
                0
                Quote: VORON538
                And nothing. Silence

                Milyukov. In his promises not to skimp. But how in practice. It is not clear. Conversion to gas is not a simple procedure. and electrogenerating. there are also technologically their own troubles.
                1. VORON538
                  VORON538 April 20 2021 14: 38
                  -1
                  Everyone is promising now. Someone more, someone less. It is important that they do. I left Belogorsk in 2001, now I visit very rarely. The last time was in the 20th of March, again before the railway and back. Roads, of course, are leave much to be desired, but Kirov seems to be through the whole city, like an artery. The railway station has changed for the better ... And after the problems with gas in Belogorsk, by the way, there are practically no gasified houses left.
                  1. apro
                    apro April 20 2021 14: 49
                    0
                    Quote: VORON538
                    there are practically no gasified houses left.

                    The imported gas was liquefied, it became unprofitable, and the gorgas went bankrupt.
                    Quote: VORON538
                    Roads, of course, leave a lot to be desired

                    But stirring. The asphalt road should not stand. The last 5 years have been repaired a lot.
    2. Sheridan
      Sheridan April 16 2021 16: 19
      -9
      Who are you lying to? To me, a resident of Samara since 1980, the city has all these benefits, but in the suburbs there are problems, but they are being solved. There are even solar panels, and then immediately SUR. Ponte less.
      1. Vinnibuh
        Vinnibuh April 16 2021 16: 52
        +12
        I arrived in Samara at 86. St. Buyanova, Vilonovskaya, Samara, Leninskaya, to continue further? And which of us is balabol? I do not argue that there are also new buildings there. But there are more pieces of wood in the area.
      2. Vinnibuh
        Vinnibuh April 16 2021 16: 56
        +7
        Ks, uv. A resident of Samara, st. Buyanova is a 5-minute walk from the railway station. Is this not the center?
    3. for
      for April 16 2021 17: 34
      -1
      Quote: Vinnibuh
      nude and water, there is no gas, no sewage and water from the columns

      And among them, for some reason, "cheloveiniki" grow like mushrooms.
      1. Vinnibuh
        Vinnibuh April 16 2021 17: 58
        +1
        Nu that's what I don’t know, that I don’t know. In the sense of why they somehow build up dumb, in pieces.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 16 2021 15: 50
    -13%
    Of course, Russia is not engaged in science, but at the same time 1.2 trillion rubles a year are allocated for it from the budget and 700 billion for education.
    Laser installation UFL-2 for thermonuclear fusion in Sarov 45 billion rubles

    Collider NICA 15 billion rubles launch in 2022

    Super charm-tau factory - Electron-positron collider 40 billion rubles is being built in Novosibirsk.
    Multipurpose Fast Breeder Research Reactor (MBIR)
    The multifunctional fast research reactor (MBIR), designed to use neutrons and ionizing radiation for research purposes, is being built in the city of Dimitrovgrad, Ulyanovsk region. The first stage of the installation (without a cooling circuit, turbines and the main part of research equipment) is planned to be launched in 2024. The new facility will be used for testing closed fuel cycle technologies and fast neutron energy, as well as for research in the field of materials science and nuclear medicine. The cost of the first stage of the project is 48 billion rubles
    Synchrotron SKIF A synchrotron radiation source at the Institute of Nuclear Physics of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences in Novosibirsk worth 30 billion rubles for the source itself and 10 billion rubles for the creation of user stations.

    And our own territory is also "gasified" .. and the national property for the people is free .. according to Gazprom, 72% is gasified for 2020 "And the national property is free for the people .." Why should it be free - forget this word for free no one will work for free.
  • Aleks tv
    Aleks tv April 16 2021 16: 36
    +21
    ... And our own territory is also "gasified".

    Ага.
    Good day, Svarog.
    hi
    I spoke with the northerners the other day.
    They lived most of their lives in Surgut. Work - Surgutneftegaz.
    There was a conversation about gas prices.
    I ask:
    - And how much gas is there in Surgut? Go cheap.
    - ???
    - Well, gas stoves in apartments, a communal apartment?
    Friendly laughter:
    - Everyone has electric stoves! Surgut is not supplied with gas !!!
    wink
    1. Svarog
      Svarog April 16 2021 16: 39
      +16
      Quote: Aleks tv
      - Everyone has electric stoves! Surgut is not supplied with gas !!!

      Good Alexey
      Who would have doubted .. the national property has nothing to do with the people .. hi
    2. ccsr
      ccsr April 16 2021 18: 36
      +1
      Quote: Aleks tv
      - Everyone has electric stoves! Surgut is not supplied with gas !!!

      In Moscow, the picture is the same - all high-rise buildings have been electrified since the last century, only gas remained in the old nine-story buildings of the Brezhnev building, and even then not everywhere.
    3. Alexander Galaktionov
      Alexander Galaktionov April 16 2021 19: 14
      +3
      All to the West and China In central Russia, it costs from 200-300t₽ to provide gas to a house And this with a salary of 17 20t₽
  • Aerodrome
    Aerodrome April 16 2021 17: 27
    +8
    Quote: Svarog
    And with the Power of Siberia ... that there was not enough gas?

    there he doesn’t need a fuck.
  • g1v2
    g1v2 April 16 2021 18: 11
    -7
    Eck manages you then sick. Or did the new training manual come up? wink What a horror. Metallurgists will receive huge orders, large territories will be provided with infrastructure and gasified. New roads will appear and jobs in Siberia. Again, we will be less dependent on Europe, and the flow of money to the Russian budget will also increase. You have something to worry about. Sorry. You, as vampires, only enjoy joy when some kind of grief happens. Here you immediately start jumping. And then bummer after bummer. But nothing - get used to it. wassat
    1. dSK
      dSK April 16 2021 21: 35
      +12
      Gas workers live happily ever after, to connect the house to the gas pipeline running along the fence of the site, you have to pay 200 thousand rubles ...
  • Archon
    Archon April 17 2021 21: 24
    +2
    We have gas only at the thermal power station in the city, and all houses use electricity, which is obtained from this gas.
    But on the other hand, if the permafrost melts, then it is better to pump gas so that at least someone can use it.
  • Vladimir Androsov
    Vladimir Androsov April 17 2021 23: 10
    0
    Do you have a strange logic that we don’t need to develop industries where we have competitive advantages, because we need to develop production, science and education? Do not forget that export earnings are generated from the sale of hydrocarbons, which are used to buy technologies, medicines, complex medical devices, again from taxes on the raw material sector of the economy, a budget for social contributions, pensions, subsidies, maternity capital, etc. is formed. according to your logic, freeze the raw materials sector, and direct all funds to the development of industry, pharmacology and education? And there will be no free funds without the raw materials sector. Could it be possible to abolish pensions, as in China, where 50% of retirees do not receive payments, and to build several factories with the saved funds? It is necessary to develop all sectors of the economy, but only the finished ones do not use the opportunity to make money in those sectors where profit is guaranteed. The economies of the United States, Norway, Australia, Canada, Great Britain and many other developed countries do not hesitate to make money on the sale of hydrocarbons, and the United States, to lobby for the sale of its shale gas, has bent the European Union into a Z pose and are hysterical over Nord Stream-2. The economy must be balanced, historically it has developed so that we are strong in the energy sector, including nuclear power, in the production and transport of hydrocarbons, the production of weapons and agriculture, these industries must be encouraged, cared for and cherished, and not cursed and cursed.
    1. nickname7
      nickname7 April 18 2021 18: 31
      -2
      The economies of the USA, Norway, Australia, Canada, Great Britain and many other developed countries do not hesitate to make money on the sale of hydrocarbons

      They have a raw additional income, and the main one is processors, mechanical engineering, and in the Russian Federation, on the other hand.
      1. your1970
        your1970 April 18 2021 23: 47
        +1
        Quote: nickname7
        The economies of the USA, Norway, Australia, Canada, Great Britain and many other developed countries do not hesitate to make money on the sale of hydrocarbons

        They have a raw additional income, and the main one is processors, mechanical engineering, and in the Russian Federation, on the other hand.

        Engineering ??? Westinghouse practically died? Even fuel elements are no longer assembled at home and not from their own uranium ...
        Detroit, no ???
    2. Nazar
      Nazar April 19 2021 07: 56
      0
      Vladimir Androsov - Where are the export proceeds from hydrocarbons going? Offshore? Or to the next "fund", which will then be taken away by "their" people, as the fund was taken away in 2008-2009, as the fund was taken away in 2014-2015, and soon the current fund will also go there.
  • Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO April 18 2021 14: 24
    0
    To entangle with a pipe suddenly also requires technology, industry, science. Although, who am I telling this ...
    1. Nazar
      Nazar April 19 2021 08: 06
      0
      Peaceful SEO - quote: "To entangle with a pipe, technology, industry, science are also suddenly required. Although, to whom I am telling this ..." - try to tell me something - I am a civil engineer for 15 years in Western Siberia I have been building pipes hi ... The point is not in the production and transportation of hydrocarbons itself, but in the distribution of the money received from this.
      In Norway, the state. the company extracts oil and gas, the head of this company receives remuneration an order of magnitude less than Sechin or Miller, and this despite the fact that the capitalization of their company is higher than the cap. Rossneft or Gazprom. The income from the activities of this company, in one form or another, is received by ALL citizens of Norway. And it is not so with us ... not so at all ... negative
  • your1970
    your1970 April 18 2021 23: 34
    -1
    Quote: Svarog
    And our own territory is also "gasified" ..


    Council of Ministries R S F S R
    P O S T A N O V L E N I E
    6 September 1985 N 385
    Moscow

    ON MEASURES FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF GASIFICATION
    CITIES AND OTHER LOCALITIES OF THE RSFSR
    In 1986 - 1990

    The Council of Ministers of the RSFSR notes that work is being carried out in the Russian Federation to gasify the national economy. 957 cities, 1600 urban-type settlements and more than 73 thousand rural settlements were supplied with gas.
    However, the pace of these works remains low. Housing fund in
    in the whole RSFSR is gasified by 65%, including natural gas in
    cities and workers' settlements by 48%, in rural areas only by 6,2 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!) percent. Design capacities of operating gas branch pipelines are used on average in the RSFSR by 42 percent (!!!!!)

    - do you understand what this means ???
    There are gas pipelines, there are branches from them for gasification, but the villages are only 6% gasified ... and the branches are used less than half ...
    And these are not evil bourgeois officials, and not gold-parachute managers - this is its own native Soviet power in 25 years of gas tradem over the hillock managed to gasify 6% of villages ...

    Z. Y. Citizens minusers - it's not me slandering the Soviet power, it is she herself who states the fact - that she herself ... cheated on ... and managed to build in 1985 - only 17% of the plan for the first half of the year
  • Harry_2
    Harry_2 April 21 2021 00: 48
    0
    Much has been said about the gasification of our country, but to see what has been done it is necessary to study the issue and then speaks. And what little does the government invest in education? Or where does the money go? Money does not increase the population, you need more tr .. And what do you mean -production? What? Science is developing and therefore ships are being built, airplanes, hyperhounds, Poseidons, etc. So what are you doing? In addition to speak out
  • Bykov.
    Bykov. April 21 2021 16: 47
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    better to wrap the whole world in pipes .. than to engage in production, science, education .. pharmacology .. increase the population of citizens of the Russian Federation ..
    And our own territory is "gasified" .. and the national property is free for the people ..
    And with the Power of Siberia ... that there was not enough gas?

    And what kind of shishi, science, pharmacology education? And you think that we do not have all this?
  • Mooh
    Mooh April 16 2021 15: 08
    +10
    Interestingly the girls are dancing. Especially remembering the analytics of Sberbank on previous projects. Of course it is interesting about the Russian atom, but still I would like to answer the logical question: is China financially involved? If so, to what extent?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog April 16 2021 15: 10
      +10
      Quote: MooH
      China is financially involved? If so, to what extent?

      Apparently in the same ... as in "Power of Siberia" ..
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 April 16 2021 16: 50
        -11%
        Do you know how China participates in the SS?))) In general, according to tradition, the Chinese do not open this information and you simply cannot know anything)))
  • Hypertension
    Hypertension April 16 2021 15: 13
    +19
    Thus, not only Rosatom's clients turn into its debtors for long periods of time.

    Debtors, yeah. Little did Russia forgive the debts to the banana republics? Remember, friends: only pensioners and hard workers should have Russia. The rest of the debts will be written off.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 16 2021 15: 54
      -16%
      Russia has forgiven the debts that stuck out to the USSR, but did not forgive its own and will not forgive everything according to documents and agreements with clear execution.
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      2. Svarog
        Svarog April 16 2021 16: 05
        +8
        Quote: Vadim237
        Russia has forgiven the debts that stuck out to the USSR, but did not forgive its own and will not forgive everything according to documents and agreements with clear execution.

        Amounts of forgiven debts and obligations to borrowers in Russia
        Well, let's see the amount of debts forgiven by Russia to its borrowing countries.
        1992 - 2004 - Nicaragua - $ 5,95 billion forgiven
        1996 - Angola - $ 3,5 billion forgiven
        2000 - Vietnam - $ 9,5 billion forgiven
        2001 - Ethiopia - $ 4,8 billion forgiven
        2003 - Mongolia - $ 11,3 billion forgiven
        2004-2008 - Iraq - $ 21,5 billion forgiven
        2005 - Syria - $ 9,8 billion forgiven
        2006 - Algeria - $ 4,7 billion forgiven
        2007 - Afghanistan - $ 11,1 billion forgiven
        2008 - Libya forgiven $ 4,5 billion
        2012 - North Korea - $ 11 billion forgiven
        2014 - Cuba - $ 31,7 billion forgiven.
        And these are only the most significant amounts of debt obligations that Russia has forgiven over the past 27 years.
        By the way, December 25 can be called the date of birth of the Russian Federation, after the collapse of the USSR. We are 27 years old today.
        In total, for 2017, Russia has forgiven its borrowers in the amount (free of charge) about $ 130 billion. It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://finance.rambler.ru/markets/41511245/?utm_content=finance_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 16 2021 16: 43
          -13%
          You generally know how to read, all that you have listed is still the debts that stuck out to the USSR. Russian debts were not forgiven to anyone.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog April 16 2021 16: 47
            +12
            Quote: Vadim237
            You generally know how to read, all that you have listed is still the debts that stuck out to the USSR. Russian debts were not forgiven to anyone.

            And on what basis were the debts of the USSR forgiven? And where did you get the confidence that the debtors of the Russian Federation will not be forgiven? Are you Siluanov?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 16 2021 21: 56
              -10%
              Based on the fact that in the USSR they were given out in words and initially those who borrowed to give did not plan so you still sat and waited until someone gave something - And where did you get confidence. From there, everything is now issued with firm contracts and securities, as well as secured by shares in companies of the countries to which loans were issued, it will not work. And what has Siluanov to do with it - finish writing nonsense.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog April 16 2021 22: 08
                +11
                Quote: Vadim237
                Based on the fact that in the USSR they were given out in words and initially those to whom they borrowed did not plan to give

                Eh ... you can feel the ege education ... the USSR, unlike today's Gauleiters ... did not just lend money ... but also formed its own sales market, pursued its own ideology ... and ensured a military presence ... As a result, the USSR had from the country, which was helped by a lot more than just money ... but the country's debt has not gone anywhere ..
                From there, everything is now issued with firm contracts and securities, as well as secured by shares in companies of the countries to which loans were issued, it will not work.

                eh youth .. wassat and then credits, according to your words, were given .. no, seriously, you finish writing complete nonsense .. that's how much I read you, I see a young man who does not understand and does not know anything, except that nightingale and Kisilev tryndyat ..
                They will recruit by ad .. crying love
                1. Black lotos
                  Black lotos April 17 2021 12: 54
                  0
                  Quote: Svarog
                  As a result, the USSR had from the country, which it helped a lot more than just money ... but the country's debt did not disappear ...

                  an interesting fact, but thanks to the debt, there is still the exchange rate of the Soviet ruble. And he grew (became more expensive). By the way, more stable than the Russian one.
                  for 100 US dollars they give 53,0700 Soviet rubles
                  The official rates of the USSR State Bank of foreign currencies against the ruble, applied in the payment and settlement relations of the Russian Federation with foreign states under trade and credit agreements of the former USSR from 01.04.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX
                  The Soviet ruble is alive (thanks to its debts) and even more expensive than the dollar.
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 April 17 2021 14: 16
                    -3
                    There are no more debts, everything was written off. And the Soviet ruble is not the same as the country. But you see the emptiness is growing, but you won't be able to pay or buy something for it.
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 April 17 2021 14: 13
                  -4
                  The USSR gave credit to the return of which, in fact, was not required and what kind of market you could build with 120 rogue countries - except that free supplies and coconut barter is not a market, this is pure parasite at our expense. That's how much I read you, I see a young man who does not understand and does not know anything, But how much I read you - a pure whiner of the Soviet era who thinks that he knows something.
                3. ccsr
                  ccsr April 17 2021 16: 01
                  -3
                  Quote: Svarog
                  and then loans, according to your words, were given ..

                  In most cases - yes, even a new "red word" appeared "Ethiopian your mother", you probably have not heard that. And it was not born from scratch:
                  On August 27, 1975, the last emperor of Ethiopia, Haile Selassie I, was killed (then it was believed that he himself had died). The Negus (ruler) spent the last months of his life after being overthrown by the military in the palace under house arrest. The communist regime that replaced the monarchy plunged the country into the Red Terror, the victims of which, according to various estimates, were from 100 to 500 thousand Ethiopians.

                  Well, what else did we get from Ethiopia besides hemorrhoids?
                  1. LTMax
                    LTMax April 22 2021 17: 45
                    0
                    Quote: ccsr
                    Well, what else did we get from Ethiopia besides hemorrhoids?


                    A military base on the Red Sea won't work?

                    "Officially, the logistics center (PMTO) on Dakhlak (Nokra island, Gubbet-mus-Nefit bay) was formed as a result of the 1978 Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation between the USSR and Ethiopia.

                    The main task of the base was to repair and support submarines and ships of the 8th operational squadron operating in the Indian Ocean zone. "
      3. Hypertension
        Hypertension April 16 2021 16: 10
        +12
        Quote: Vadim237
        I have not forgiven my own and will not forgive

        Svarog answered you. Enlightened?
  • WHAT IS
    WHAT IS April 16 2021 15: 14
    +26
    On a holiday, April 12
    Under the Soviet Union, we rejoiced that thanks to our powerful industry, we were the first in space, and now we will have a new pipe through which we will drive raw materials abroad.
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z April 16 2021 15: 36
      +10
      Quote: WHAT IS
      On a holiday, April 12
      Under the Soviet Union, we rejoiced that thanks to our powerful industry, we were the first in space, and now we will have a new pipe through which we will drive raw materials abroad.

      We sell ours now, and the West keeps its wells closed!
      And then the descendants will have to buy it all in the opposite direction!
      1. Svarog
        Svarog April 16 2021 15: 39
        +14
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Quote: WHAT IS
        On a holiday, April 12
        Under the Soviet Union, we rejoiced that thanks to our powerful industry, we were the first in space, and now we will have a new pipe through which we will drive raw materials abroad.

        We sell ours now, and the West keeps its wells closed!
        And then the descendants will have to buy it all in the opposite direction!

        But today's sellers are fattening up .. and then their children will just settle in the West .. in any case, they are all gut ..
      2. ccsr
        ccsr April 16 2021 18: 39
        -5
        Quote: Starover_Z
        We sell ours now, and the West keeps its wells closed!
        And then the descendants will have to buy it all in the opposite direction!

        You better pray that you do not find an alternative source of energy that will replace gas - then, our descendants will have a bad time if they themselves do not create this new source of energy.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 April 16 2021 15: 49
      -23%
      Exactly. The factories that are being built thanks to these pipelines with tens of thousands of jobs do not count at all. So. Bullshit
      1. Hypertension
        Hypertension April 16 2021 16: 14
        +15
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Plants that are being built thanks to these pipelines with tens of thousands of jobs

        Do you mean by tens of thousands of Uzbeks / Tajiks?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 April 16 2021 16: 44
          -22%
          Did not want. They don't interfere with your work there at all. They are constantly looking for people for these construction sites.
          1. Hypertension
            Hypertension April 16 2021 16: 57
            +13
            Quote: carstorm 11
            They don't interfere with your work there at all. They are constantly looking for people for these construction sites.

            Bringing in hundreds of migrants, and paying them the minimum salary does not interfere? Are they not dumping? Do not replace? Don't joke such jokes, joker.
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 April 16 2021 16: 59
              -18%
              Supply and demand. Supply and demand))) work there in bulk.
              1. Hypertension
                Hypertension April 16 2021 17: 18
                +14
                Substitution of the indigenous population for disenfranchised slaves. Substitution of the indigenous population for disenfranchised slaves. Only there work and shaft. In the oil and gas sector. In the five, of course, sellers are required. Here you are, Dmitry, really - German. As you have laid in your head what program - so you will defend it all the way. It is not clear whether this is good or bad ... It looks like a robot.
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      3. Revival
        Revival April 16 2021 17: 21
        +7
        Well, let's dig holes all over the country with shovels, that way with a million jobs.
        Why do we need those pits?
        But why why?
        There are so many jobs, people will work, families will be fed!

        Is that your logic?
        No matter what kind of bullshit you do instead of a useful business, but after all, jobs here and now justify everything, right?
        And what a hogwash, so jobs zhezh ..
        But so that useful and even jobs, Ooh! it doesn’t need such difficulties!

        I understand that even in the event of news that nuclear waste is being brought to us and will be stored on the streets in garbage bags, you will approve of this idea with words, so jobs will appear, people will be busy scattering nuclear waste through the streets ?!
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 April 16 2021 17: 44
          -16%
          Jobs are employees of these same factories and not their builders) although these are, of course, jobs, but I did not talk about them initially) my logic is simple as you can see. That others are winding me deeply violet on it.
          1. Revival
            Revival April 17 2021 01: 25
            +9
            1. The builders of the plant were not meant, they meant a useless business and a waste of money, from which the whole point is only in the process, i.e. workplaces

            Well then, an analogy from the other side, we will open a plant and we will make sawdust and throw it away, well, jobs, it’s good that we opened it, right?
            There is no point in resenting the useless waste of money, after all, there are also jobs?
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk April 17 2021 13: 25
              0
              Quote: Revival

              Well then, an analogy from the other side, we will open a plant and we will make sawdust and throw it away, well, jobs, it’s good that we opened it, right?

              In addition to sawdust, your head could not think of anything else?
              Go to the household. shop, what do you see there? On the shelves, 90% are Chinese goods. And often of shoddy quality. We used to do it all ourselves. Why are we buying now? Have you forgotten how to do? Not. It's just that thoughts in the other direction are working. - wherever one more pipe, of the largest possible diameter and under the greatest possible pressure, should be laid. This is how many jobs can be created if we begin to produce everything necessary for the life of our people ourselves. And sell all this on the international market, not energy resources. Anything would be more profitable.
              1. Revival
                Revival April 17 2021 23: 13
                0
                If this is you to me, and not to my aponentu, then to the wrong address, I am just "your" approach and I am trying to defend.
                And then my apponent 11 constantly justifies any project of the "top", only by the fact that there was at least one workplace and nothing to criticize, they say, well, that they invested a trillion in a bad business, then there were 10 whole jobs, then everything is correct , so we will endorse and so we will win, and the remark that a trillion can be invested somehow more efficiently, so the intrigues of the Navalnists, the State Department and the enemies of the fatherland
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk April 17 2021 23: 38
                  -1
                  Quote: Revival
                  If this is you for me, and not for my apponent, then at the wrong address,

                  Sorry.
              2. Revival
                Revival April 17 2021 23: 24
                0
                This pipe laying, in my personal opinion, is the efficiency of investing money in a sawdust production plant.
              3. LTMax
                LTMax April 22 2021 17: 51
                0
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                This is how many jobs can be created if we begin to produce everything necessary for the life of our people ourselves.


                There is a pulp and paper mill in Kemijärvi. Does the paper. Salaries, taxes, utilities - everything is Finnish. And it works, it means it is profitable. To build a small factory across the border, in the Murmansk region - "no, what are you, it is not profitable, you still pay salaries with northern allowances" ...
      4. vl903
        vl903 April 16 2021 17: 52
        +5
        factories in the Samara region are almost gone. Remains of space and aerospace. even neftemash in scrap metal sdal.nu and chemistry are also raw materials and also the phosphorus plant was strangled ... otherwise not much that is being delivered is being built .... CHINESE !!!! What is it like?
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 16 2021 15: 58
      -13%
      This project involves the creation of new gas processing plants and gas chemical plants and other enterprises in Russia, as well as infrastructure projects, including the continuation of gasification of settlements and, accordingly, deductions from sales to the budget. But this is all bad for you.
      1. vl903
        vl903 April 16 2021 16: 27
        +10
        Yes this is bad. gas must go to our economy. and now it goes to everyone else and they throw crumbs to us so that they shut up
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 April 16 2021 16: 45
          -13%
          Crumbs?) We are the largest consumer of gas. 30-35 percent of the mined is for sale. Why write nonsense?
          1. vl903
            vl903 April 16 2021 17: 05
            +2
            rave? it's like telling your husband you and your wife were 30 percent, move over! own industry in deep F!
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 April 16 2021 17: 07
              -9
              Are you out of your mind?))) Do you understand what you are talking about?))) I repeat, we sell only 30-35 percent of all the gas produced to the ood. The rest WE CONSUME BY YOURSELF!
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 16 2021 16: 56
          -6
          No, you just do not know that "At the end of 2020, Gazprom pumped 179,3 billion cubic meters of gas to the far abroad, and during the same period in Russia, all oil and gas companies produced 692,3 billion cubic meters." For this, yours. what would shut up "Brad.
          1. vl903
            vl903 April 16 2021 17: 08
            +8
            yes nonsense! my grandfathers fought for this gas milking me! but I don't have a normal job because there is no economy, and in a nearby village the locals are out in the cold, they brought migrants to the barracks for a penny. and they will justify the same, like the Russians are lazy!
            1. Vladimir61
              Vladimir61 April 16 2021 17: 32
              -6
              Quote: vl903
              yes nonsense! my grandfathers fought for this gas milking me! but I don't have a normal job because there is no economy

              Interesting! Is it like shouting "For the Motherland, for GAZ"?
              Do not disgrace your grandfathers, unemployed! Get off the Internet and find a job!
              1. vl903
                vl903 April 16 2021 17: 41
                +7
                grandfathers shouted For the Motherland! Now is the time of the Internet, go to hh.ru, see salaries and the number of jobs in the regions. and this is ... the fact that Moscow is full of visitors is not because they love Moscow, but because there is an ass at home.
            2. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 16 2021 22: 01
              -11%
              You do not have a normal job - because there is no desire to find a normal one and apparently heads - whoever wants to find and work the rest are looking for an excuse "There is no economy"
              "Russians are lazy" I confirm - not all, but 40 percent for sure.
              1. vl903
                vl903 April 17 2021 08: 25
                +1
                40 percent, exactly
                conveniently. we steal from under your noses, and you yourself are fools and lazy. and as a nation, in your words, are the Russians lazy and therefore should not live here and free it for you, hardworking thieves?
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 April 17 2021 14: 21
                  -2
                  Unfortunately, about 40% of our employees, my statistics are from personal experience for 15 years of business. And no one bothers you to live, live on health - only work as you should correctly and efficiently then there will be no complaints.
      2. aleks neym_2
        aleks neym_2 April 16 2021 16: 28
        +1
        Who does not understand this - that "-"
      3. vl903
        vl903 April 16 2021 17: 12
        +3
        well this is a real economy which means a high standard of living among the indigenous population. and this is the plundering of our resources
    4. GRIGORIY76
      GRIGORIY76 April 16 2021 16: 27
      +12
      You just don't understand the concept. We are an energy superpower. I don't care that we have a millionth city of Krasnoyarsk without gas. The main thing is for the Chinese to spend it, and we will somehow wait on wood and coal.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 16 2021 16: 58
        -17%
        The time will come when they will gasify Krasnoyarsk, it depends on financing, and it takes a lot of time in the USSR, even with gasification, they did not bother.
        1. vl903
          vl903 April 16 2021 17: 14
          +11
          in the USSR, diesel fuel for their own was worth like water. and the gas was left to posterity for later. The hydroelectric power station took 3 years to build. AvtoVAZ released the car two years later from the foundation pit.
          1. TiRex
            TiRex April 16 2021 19: 51
            -1
            it feels like you didn’t live in the USSR, you didn’t build a normal hydroelectric power plant in 3 years. diesel fuel as water was also not worth it.
            1. vl903
              vl903 April 16 2021 20: 36
              +1
              OK. water in the Samara region was free and the money for water seemed wild. only the organizations had a solarium and it was necessary to find someone to take it and not be seen by some OBKhSS. the organizations had no problems with fuel. Tomorrow I will look for how many hydropower plants were built in Zhigulevsk. maybe you can convince me that the economy in the USSR was worse than it is now.)))
  • aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 April 16 2021 15: 17
    +5
    Well, well, it looks much better than the European version: all our own and mattress covers with tributes and other ... they will not be able to impose sanctions! (this is a shame - hands will not reach: I want to cry) From hand to hand ...
  • knn54
    knn54 April 16 2021 15: 36
    +7
    The Mongols were also lucky. But Krasnoyarsk and Transbaikalia are flying over again. The first was supposed to be gasified under Brezhnev.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 April 16 2021 15: 46
      -10%
      Not. SS 2 and the coverage area of ​​the main infrastructure will be located in 11 cities and 16 municipal districts of the region with a total population of more than 2 million people in the Krasnoyarsk region. They will start this year. According to preliminary routing, the gas pipeline will be built through the entire territory of the region from west to east and will run 50 km north of Krasnoyarsk, in the Sukhobuzimsky district
      1. mark1
        mark1 April 16 2021 16: 44
        -16%
        Dmitry, you are doing a thankless and hopeless job - you are trying to convince specially trained people of something.
        1. vl903
          vl903 April 16 2021 17: 46
          +11
          Quote: mark1
          Dmitry, you are doing a thankless and hopeless job - you are trying to convince specially trained people of something.

          life teaches me, I turn around and do not see your Pink Paradise ... Where do you live, behind the fence of an elite village?
          1. mark1
            mark1 April 16 2021 18: 19
            -4
            Maybe he teaches the wrong thing? You will have paradise, there will be a harp, but after ... And now you have to live with dignity in order to get there.
            Yes, I live in a village (more likely in a village), you guessed it. Behind the fence, just now I'm repairing it. I'm waiting for gas, like everyone else. And you will not believe it, they are pulling!
            1. vl903
              vl903 April 16 2021 18: 37
              +4
              why, I believe. parents have probably been pulling 15 km for about 2 years (the village is very small). but that’s not the point --- they don’t develop their own economy, but invest in someone else’s. but if we had income, we would somehow live well on heating oil)))
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                1. vl903
                  vl903 April 16 2021 19: 05
                  +5
                  Agree plants for LNG are also oil-based oils, also raw materials. under Stalin, they sold gold and grain to build mechanical engineering. not a gold and grain packing plant
              2. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 April 17 2021 07: 10
                +4
                Quote: vl903
                parents have been pulling 15 km for about 2 years (the village is very small

                Urban settlement Mezhdurechensk, Samara region - gas has been promised since the beginning of the 2000s, but things are still there. Although the settlement is gasified according to the paperwork! laughing Can they also declare sanctions so that, in spite of the gas, like SP-2? Although we will soon be served ...
      2. Galleon
        Galleon April 16 2021 16: 46
        +11
        Being in the highway zone and building distribution facilities are two different things. You will not give 2MPa pressure to consumers. This is 10kg / cm102 for a minute. And how will you reduce the pressure, what kind of reserve? This is not provided. 2 km ... If for 50m villagers have to pay 50tyr to gas workers, how much should the region pay for 200km, if naive hopes suddenly come true?
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 April 16 2021 16: 54
          -13%
          This is a response to the plan for a gas pipeline) in September or October, I don’t remember a meeting specifically on the gasification of this region. And data from there. I can't cram the entire text here) gasification of the Krasnoyarsk Territory will give a powerful impetus to the socio-economic development of the region and will radically improve the ecological situation. The Governor also stressed that due to the fact that a part of the export corridor of the federal project "Power of Siberia-2" will pass through the territory of the region, the issue of gasification from a purely regional one is moving into the category of general federal and strategic. It all started in 20.
          1. Galleon
            Galleon April 16 2021 16: 58
            +10
            Why all the text: share a link, a diagram showing the distribution unit. And then: given the current prices for connecting individual households to gas, after laying a branch to the Krasnoyarsk Territory, will this gas become much more affordable?
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 April 16 2021 17: 02
              -9
              This is my document. You will find the links yourself) and there was no technical advice) I will not say about prices either. This was not discussed either. This is a federal meeting. Another level and other questions. It was just that a decision was made in the fall to gasify the region through the SS 2.)
              1. Galleon
                Galleon April 16 2021 17: 12
                +8
                The damned life experience whispers about not being surprised and not looking for logic in the decisions of the management, but tell me, as a federal employee: why the gasification of Krasnoyarsk (we are not talking about a huge region) is linked to an export gas pipeline, and is not an independent goal of state activity. But there would be no decision to poke a pipe to the Mongols - Krasnoyarsk would have lived as before for 393 years)). Although, ... don't say. Why put you in an awkward position. And so everything is clear))
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 April 16 2021 17: 15
                  -7
                  I'm not a federal employee) just studying the issue)
                2. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 April 16 2021 17: 17
                  -10%
                  Firstly, I am not an employee but just studying the issue. As far as linking is concerned, it's just an opportunity. There is a plan. Above, I showed it until 30, about the gasification of the country. Even with the amount of investment in this from Gazprom. Why is it bad to link one opportunity to another to increase costs?
  • Antidote
    Antidote April 16 2021 15: 51
    +4
    Did you find gas to fill existing projects?
    1. mark1
      mark1 April 16 2021 16: 23
      -7
      And what, you also need gas !? Yo-yo-yo !!! -Thank you!..
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 16 2021 16: 59
      -3
      Of course they did - there will be no gas projects without deposits.
  • Klingon
    Klingon April 16 2021 16: 12
    +2
    as soon as the project begins to be implemented, striped hyenas will take Mongolia by the gills ((
    1. Gato
      Gato April 16 2021 16: 37
      +5
      Something reminded of the statement of the USSR, which, in my opinion, should have been cast in bronze and put on the border:
      The USSR will defend the territory of the Mongolian People's Republic as its own!

      The current Foreign Ministry is afraid of such words.
      1. Black lotos
        Black lotos April 17 2021 13: 01
        0
        Quote: Gato
        Something reminded of the statement of the USSR, which, in my opinion, should have been cast in bronze and put on the border:
        The USSR will defend the territory of the Mongolian People's Republic as its own!

        The current Foreign Ministry is afraid of such words.

        by the way, the Japanese ignored this statement. But the USSR was ready and proved what will happen.
        And in the modern world it looks like this
        The United States confirmed its readiness to defend Japan using all available means, including nuclear weapons. This is stated in a statement published on the White House website following the talks held in Washington between US President Joe Biden and Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga.
    2. Galleon
      Galleon April 16 2021 16: 43
      +12
      So there already friendship with the striped ones began at full speed. Joint military exercises are being conducted. https://topwar.ru/161545-morpehi-ssha-pribudut-na-uchenija-v-mongoliju-ne-imejuschuju-vyhoda-k-morju.html
      The state will pay for transit to new American friends.
  • kig
    kig April 16 2021 16: 15
    +11
    On the collective farm at the meeting, the director speaks:
    “Last year we sowed 100 hectares of cannabis, but the weevil ate it all. This year we sowed 200 hectares, but it was also devoured by a weevil. Next year we will sow 300 hectares - let them choke.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 16 2021 17: 01
      +1
      Gluttonous weevils, however, lived near the collective farm.
  • vl903
    vl903 April 16 2021 16: 24
    +11
    to China in front (in the sense of legs apart) to its economy backwards. our ancestors kept the land and its riches for us and "our elite" hurry up to throw everything off and cash it out until they moved from the trough. they are still combing us about world prices. in the country, no production is profitable, except for the plundering of resources. nothing belongs to us here. all are already theirs. if you want gas, gasoline, electricity - in line, you sons of bitches in line! Well, here's a discount for you so that they don't whine, we can get more out of those who wish abroad!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 16 2021 17: 03
      -6
      About any production is unprofitable - crap sucked out of the finger.
      1. vl903
        vl903 April 17 2021 08: 21
        +1
        crap!? then I look everywhere plants grow like mushrooms. advertisements everywhere - required for work (not for 20 thousand rubles), the ruble jumps up every day)))
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 17 2021 14: 25
          +1
          Not everywhere, but enterprises and factories are building two of them this summer, a dairy farm for 1400 heads and the production of parts using additive technologies will start. It all depends on the interest and work of local authorities.
          1. vl903
            vl903 April 17 2021 16: 09
            -1
            it's very cool that at least something is developing. I am sincerely glad for you. But I do not agree with this: the whole country should develop systematically, and not in the form of exceptions. And almost nothing depends on the local authorities - the modern system is so carefully built by our soroses. it's very good that at least somewhere they turned the tide.
  • Oleg133
    Oleg133 April 16 2021 16: 28
    +12
    Ornul. Where else to bury the money, but the Russians won't get it
  • Gato
    Gato April 16 2021 16: 30
    +11
    Gazprom sold out in earnest. Soon they will start pulling the thread through Alaska to Texas?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 16 2021 17: 04
      -2
      There is a direction to India and Pakistan last year Kazakhstan expressed interest in a branch with a capacity of 17 billion cubic meters per year.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 April 16 2021 17: 12
      +5
      Quote: Gato
      Soon they will start pulling the thread through Alaska to Texas?

      The Japanese need it too.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 16 2021 22: 07
        -1
        On Sakhalin, an LNG plant is not needed to build a pipe.
    3. LTMax
      LTMax April 22 2021 18: 00
      +2
      Quote: Gato
      Gazprom sold out in earnest. Soon they will start pulling the thread through Alaska to Texas?


      Take it higher - the Kola superdeep will be reactivated and gas will be supplied to hell through it. The plan for the conversion of boilers for steaming sinners to gas is being prepared laughing
  • prior
    prior April 16 2021 16: 35
    +17
    Strange dependence, the more gas pipelines are introduced (Power of Siberia, Turkish Stream, ....),
    the faster everything rises in price, and the people in the bulk are poor ?!
    So maybe well, it nafig, this Gazprom, along with its pipes.
    Leave only internal consumption.
  • Galleon
    Galleon April 16 2021 16: 40
    +11
    But, in our opinion, this is much better than primitively putting those billions in a box, or buying gold with them, or ...

    Equally sterile and primitive.
  • Until Ger
    Until Ger April 16 2021 16: 57
    +1
    In Antarctica, penguins freeze.
    You have to pull the gas there.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 16 2021 17: 17
    +3
    PER....
    Provide Russia with gas 100% and then at least smell at least sell
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 16 2021 22: 09
      -4
      Provide Russia with gas by 100% - By 2040, they can manage.
  • Klingon
    Klingon April 16 2021 17: 41
    +3
    Quote: Gato
    Something reminded of the statement of the USSR, which, in my opinion, should have been cast in bronze and put on the border:
    The USSR will defend the territory of the Mongolian People's Republic as its own!

    The current Foreign Ministry is afraid of such words.

    who knows what about "being responsible for the bazaar" at the current Foreign Ministry. Is that Zakharova chirping on the enemy's Facebook? wassat
  • Tests
    Tests April 16 2021 21: 13
    +4
    Dear VO commentators! There are many emotions regarding the gasification of the Russian Federation, but they are only partially true. The "National Treasure" is not faced with the task of gasification of cities and rural settlements. There is a Resolution of the Government of the Russian Federation of February 21.02.2019, 179 N XNUMX "On Amendments to Certain Acts of the Government of the Russian Federation", please take the time and read it. Gasification of settlements is a matter of municipal and regional authorities.
    Main gas came to my native Severodvinsk several years ago. CHP # 2 was switched from fuel oil to gas, and a gas pipeline was brought to Zvezdochka. This year, it was planned to start CHP # 1 (the former workshop of SEVMASH, or rather, then, plant # 402, the one that Cellarius planned to disable in November 1942 by a group of saboteurs) to start converting from coal to gas. And for small prom. gas reached enterprises in the east of the city and was delivered only to Belomorskiy Avenue. Now on Yandex.Maps Severodvinsk in "Hybrid" mode at 13, Belomorskiy Avenue, 15 meters from the pedestrian passage across the street. Tortseva, sees a yellow rectangle - the end point of the gas pipeline in residential areas of the city. There was an idea from the avenue Belomorsky on the street. South to st. Stretch people's gas to private houses that are being built by entrepreneurs, federal judges, former heads of UGPS No. 19, which were protected from fires by the GRCAS factories (not very poor people). But as they were told the price of connection, they refused from the main gas in the houses. What can we say about gas boilers in enterprises for heating and hot water! A friend calculated, 2 years ago, that if he switches his business to gas, then the boiler and the connection to the gas pipe from the street. The southern one will come to zero for him in 29 years ... So the gas pipe through the city did not go anywhere from Belomorsky Avenue.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 16 2021 22: 37
      +7
      Quote: Tests
      The "National Treasure" is not facing the task of gasification of cities and rural settlements

      and really, why?
      heat with wood and heat on
      only that is why, when Suz was pulling a gas pipeline to Europe, he gasified all of Ukraine along the way
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 17 2021 14: 28
        +1
        In general, such a task is only worth the fact that high-rise buildings will not be supplied with gas.
      2. 29dest
        29dest April 17 2021 22: 24
        +1
        "Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a number of instructions following his visit to Krasnoyarsk on February 7, 2018. REGNUM news agency reported this today, March 16, in the government of the Krasnoyarsk Territory.
        Details: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2391186.html
        The head of state instructed the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Dmitry Kozak "to consider and report on proposals for continuing the program of resettlement of emergency housing in Krasnoyarsk." It is assumed that the necessary funds for the implementation of this program will be allocated from the federal budget. Today in Krasnoyarsk, 129,16 thousand square meters are to be demolished. meters of emergency housing, 35% of which has stove heating or is heated by inefficient boiler houses. It is specified that stove heating in the center of Krasnoyarsk should disappear within three years. To improve the environmental situation in the capital of the region, about 30 outdated boiler houses should be closed.

        Details: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2391186.html
        Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM.

        Krasnoyarsk is the city of a millionaire. And heats up with COAL! Not counting the rest of the region's settlements. In 2018, on behalf of Putin, they began to develop a plan for gasification of boiler houses in Krasnoyarsk. Since the city, along with Chelyabinsk, periodically ranks first in terms of air pollution in the world. And the other day KEF-2021 ended - there Gazprom is rolling out a plan for the gasification of regions until 2025, in which there is no Krasnoyarsk Territory at all. There are only deposits from which gas is extracted on the territory of the region. Now look at the map of your pipeline. This is another nonsense that has been going on since Putin's instructions in 2018. They sneeze both on the instructions of the reset and on the regions. It is more profitable to simply throw a pipe over the edge to China. And let the region die further from oncology. "It is economically unprofitable"
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 16 2021 22: 39
      +5
      Quote: Tests
      the case of the municipal and regional authorities.

      it is called by seven nannies, do we have a State or not?
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X April 17 2021 17: 21
    +1
    Before laying a pipeline through Mongolia, it (Mongolia) must at least be annexed to Russia. Otherwise, the spawning of democratic Mongolian silver carps will not allow laying a gas pipeline ... We have already passed ...
    And does the Power of Siberia 1 really work at full load? And in the Tver region, for example, they promised to lay gas only to the neighboring village from my settlement. Apparently all the funds are spent on the feasibility study of new projects, and not on the remaining 5 km of pipe to connect the next village ... Somehow, I did not appreciate the beauty of the new project. Probably I don't understand something
  • notingem
    notingem April 17 2021 20: 50
    0
    At least Mueller has agreed with the Mongols, or again he will drive pipes from the bulldozer. Bisnesman like Gorbachev is a politician
  • Vanka Zhukov
    Vanka Zhukov April 18 2021 04: 14
    -2
    It is high time to master the colossal possibilities of Siberia and the Far East. With the gas pipeline it will be easier and easier, the Chinese will pay for the renovation.
  • Nikodim
    Nikodim April 18 2021 11: 25
    -1
    Quote: Aleks tv
    ... And our own territory is also "gasified".

    Ага.
    Good day, Svarog.
    hi
    I spoke with the northerners the other day.
    They lived most of their lives in Surgut. Work - Surgutneftegaz.
    There was a conversation about gas prices.
    I ask:
    - And how much gas is there in Surgut? Go cheap.
    - ???
    - Well, gas stoves in apartments, a communal apartment?
    Friendly laughter:
    - Everyone has electric stoves! Surgut is not supplied with gas !!!
    wink



    In 2001 he went to study in Ufa. I myself am from Kazakhstan. I met the guys from Kogalym. So, it struck me that for the first time in their lives they saw a gas stove in Ufa, in Kogalym, in the kitchens of all electric stoves, they are not familiar with gas
  • ser.rudov2016
    ser.rudov2016 April 18 2021 19: 46
    -1
    And when will the turn come to the domestic population? It seems that Miller promised to provide gas to the Krasnoyarsk Territory for free, or are these just words?
  • Smolensky
    Smolensky April 19 2021 11: 46
    0
    A gas pipeline to China is good, but that's why through Mongolia. Doesn't life teach anything, the freaks of Ukraine, Poland, Bulgaria, Belarus. Will it not be so tomorrow with Mongolia, after all, a little more, but on the other hand, direct deliveries from no one depend!
  • Martian
    Martian April 19 2021 13: 08
    0
    Insanity ... Wild expenses from the Russian budget, sale of gas to China at bargain prices, and the remainder of the devastated land and islands and villas in warm regions for the Millers, Abramovichs, Sechins ...
  • stepan razin_2
    stepan razin_2 April 19 2021 22: 01
    0
    how much gas we have, but we ourselves will have enough in the future.
  • anclevalico
    anclevalico April 20 2021 07: 41
    -1
    Until everything is pumped out, they will not calm down.
  • Graduate student
    Graduate student April 20 2021 22: 37
    +9
    successful experience of Nord Stream 2

    What is it like? Experience in delaying construction? laughing
  • Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov April 20 2021 22: 38
    0
    Not interested. The revenue is not interesting
    drink among themselves the margin and bribes are smooth.
    What to take from it (Gazprom)?
    MET? So comrades showed 707 billion in losses in 2020.
    Not only will they not pay taxes,
    they will also ask for VAT refund.
    Here is such a blue, in every sense, a giant.
  • Graduate student
    Graduate student April 20 2021 22: 38
    +9
    China, main buyer

    China is our everything laughing
    China, the main buyer, if it paid, it was mostly with delays, or only promised to pay for the already supplied blue fuel

    Well, money then someday wassat
  • Graduate student
    Graduate student April 20 2021 22: 41
    +14
    Those, as has been written more than once in Voennoye Obozreniye (How the Russian Atom is Sold), do not hesitate to lend to the construction of nuclear facilities abroad from their own funds.

    And where is the margin from nuclear projects? Why don't the citizens of Russia see it, huh? am
    1. Dkuznecov
      Dkuznecov April 20 2021 23: 11
      0
      Quote: Graduate student
      And where is the margin from nuclear projects? Why don't the citizens of Russia see it, huh?


      It made me laugh all the time.
      Should you?
  • zav
    zav April 22 2021 08: 49
    0
    ...
    Have you imagined a 10-thousand-kilometer Chinese bridge that runs through Russia from the south-east to the north-west, along which tens, if not hundreds of thousands of foreign containers are constantly scurrying about, simultaneously located on the territory of Russia?
    Enough roomy containers, in each of which you can carry anything: from a company of soldiers to light armored vehicles, and which, according to some undercover agreements, are not subject to checks when crossing the border. In fact, they are islands of extraterritoriality, like the entire high-speed highway, consisting of parallel auto and railway lines. The so-called extraterritorial transport corridor. And this is not at all surprising, since the land along the highway was transferred to the Chinese side in the form of a concession for an indefinite period of time. The track was built with Chinese money, by Chinese workers with the establishment of Chinese norms, rules and procedures. With the connivance of the traitors in the Russian leadership, the Chinese spies could freely move throughout the roadside area, deviating from it for tens of kilometers, ostensibly to optimize the route, photographing everything in a row and filling hundreds of notebooks with Chinese scribbles. It is not difficult to draw up a clear schedule for the movement of containers with soldiers' equipment and equipment and the approach of echelons to the unloading points not earlier and not later than X hour. Their accumulation - under the guise of unloading, sludge or repair - in Chinese trading posts or in carriage and locomotive depots, distributed in a checkerboard pattern along the entire route, will not fall under suspicion. Some jambs with camouflage, crawling out, will most likely be ignored by the Russian side, since the Russian government practically did not react to the seething and often illegal activities of its Chinese comrades. Moreover, the population was specially brainwashed for several years in terms of tolerance and the need for cooperation and washed them to such an extent that the population already ceased to understand: where is the necessary, due to some real problems, the movement of units of the Chinese labor force, and where is the imitation of the labor process. And it stopped paying attention. The Chinese justifiably expected that, as a last resort, the rare, high-profile signals from the provinces would be drowned in the imitative activities of collaborators.
    At the suggestion of the Chinese functionaries, the number of joint "exercises" to eliminate natural disasters and man-made accidents has grown exponentially. Not a day passed that the Chinese comrades did not take part in the joint "fight" with the Russian Ministry of Emergency Situations against the spill of oil products, flooding, forest fires and the restoration of the railway track. The "fight" was accompanied by the rapid and well-coordinated deployment of paramilitary Chinese units, the blocking of sections of the territory and the evacuation of the population, which, apparently, was the main goal of the exercises.
    Perhaps some of the Russian big bosses began to get bored with this. Perhaps the Chinese sensed shifts in the Russian leadership, and did not want to wait for a tightening of the regime and hush up in the work of the conveyor for pumping out Russian raw materials. Perhaps they decided that not only with the production of things, but also with the extraction of minerals, the Chinese will cope better than the Russians, who, it seems, have already lost their taste for life.
    ...
    With a faint rustle, two missiles, one after the other, went into the sky.
    Missiles with multiple warheads. The former will strike at missile bases and decision-making centers, the latter at industrial and infrastructure facilities. One megaton warhead destroys the Three Gorges Dam and the other destroys the Shanghai port complex. And two waves of a river tsunami, sweeping away everything in its path, rush along the Yangtze towards each other, and collide, giving birth to a water ridge of three hundred meters in height, burying bad Chinese thoughts and actions in it.
    ...
    When the Russian military command woke up from its lethargy, it deployed the armies guarding the western frontiers of Russia facing north and east and began to clean up. The demoralized Chinese army, having received information through their channels about the branch of hell that had opened in the Celestial Empire, surrendered almost without resistance, also because the heavy weapons systems that were supposed to arrive in addition to the landing did not arrive due to known events. For some time, the captured Chinese brothers were in the camps idle, but they were transported to the border checkpoints and, after a short briefing, were allowed to go to the Chinese side, which many brothers were clearly not happy with. They carried mountains of medical supplies and hospital junk, which were supposed to be used for their intended purpose among the survivors. The Russian authorities have promised to drive trains with medicines and equipment to help the Chinese brothers as soon as they clear the roads of the notorious containers.
    But even before that, the Russian authorities familiarized the world community with the facts of China's blatant aggression against Russia, in other words, with an attempt to conquer it, which was successfully suppressed. The public, as usual, reprimanded the Russian barbarians for the excessive use of force, but on the whole it was agreed that, taking into account the number of attackers, it was possible to repel the attack only by extraordinary measures. And some Western leaders incognito expressed the idea of ​​a strong similarity of this situation with the period of promotion in Europe of the Second World War. The Chinese leaders, like Hitler, set out to combine their technological power with the raw material base of Russia, after which the conquest of the world or, at worst, a successful fight against the Anglo-Saxons would not be such a pipe dream.
    But China did not invade Russia and therefore did not invade Kazakhstan, for the sake of appearing to impose a treaty of mutual assistance on it. And he did not crush the former Soviet republics of Central Asia. He did not occupy Europe, which would only be a matter of time if Russia were defeated. And he did not revive the colonial status of Africa, which could have been easily achieved in the event of the defeat of Europe. China did not become the sole master of the Eastern Hemisphere, which it aspired to and spoke about directly. The world community did not recognize the words of the Chinese leader about the plans to strangle the national economies with extremist ones and did not call him to account. And I almost fell under the distribution of Chinese "buns".
    ...
  • BigBoss
    BigBoss April 23 2021 11: 56
    0
    It's simple - the management of Gazprom decided to cut money on the construction of the gas pipeline. Therefore, they did not advertise this construction much.
    Some statistics: in 2007, Gazprom's capitalization amounted to almost $ 331 billion, and in 2020 it was only $ 72,8 billion.