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"Possesses unique characteristics": The newest Il-114-300 turboprop interested the military

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"Possesses unique characteristics": The newest Il-114-300 turboprop interested the military

The newest Russian Il-114-300 turboprop aircraft has aroused significant military interest. Told about this in an interview "Rossiyskaya Gazeta" First Deputy Chairman of the Collegium of the Military-Industrial Commission Andrey Yelchaninov.


The Il-114-300 turboprop, which has a flight duration of more than eight hours, low cruising speed with minimal fuel consumption, attracted the interest of the military as a promising patrol aircraft, reconnaissance aircraft or electronic warfare, etc. Whether this interest will advance further and whether it will lead to the creation of a new series of aircraft based on the Il-114-300 for the military is still not available.

There is already interest from the military. It is due to the unique flight characteristics of this aircraft.

- said Yelchaninov.

Today the Il-114-300 is at the testing stage; it made its first flight in December last year, and the second in January this year. Certification of the aircraft should be completed in 2022, serial deliveries - in 2023.

Note that the Ministry of Defense has previously shown interest in the Il-114. In 2015, "Ilyushin" suggested that the military develop in a short time a patrol aircraft based on the Il-114, especially since there had already been some developments on this topic and even an Il-114PL flying laboratory was created, but, apparently, something went wrong ...

The second time this issue was raised in 2018, when Ilyushin announced plans to modernize Il-114 aircraft to special military versions. It was proposed to create an electronic warfare aircraft on its basis.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 14 2021 07: 46
    +11
    The newest Russian Il-114-300 turboprop aircraft has aroused considerable military interest.
    Yes you, what ... Who would have thought ...
    In 2015, "Ilyushin" suggested that the military develop in a short time a patrol aircraft based on the Il-114, especially since there had already been some developments on this topic and even an Il-114PL flying laboratory was created, but, apparently, something went wrong ...
    Even the "gunship" was in the project, by the way, it was not a bad machine, it could now be useful as a patrol officer, for example, for the border service of the FSB

    1. NKT
      NKT April 14 2021 08: 04
      +6
      A very strange statement about the interest of the military, when there is a ready-made and debugged Tu-214 and, on its basis, the Tu-214R, Tu-214ON and Tu-214 SR models.
      1. mark1
        mark1 April 14 2021 08: 15
        +15
        Quote: NKT
        there is already a ready-made and debugged Tu-214

        It's all about the minimum cruising speed - Tu-214 is very fast for patrolling.
        1. NKT
          NKT April 14 2021 08: 23
          +6
          But how does Poseidon fly? And what payload will the Il-114-300 take? 2-3t-4t versus 20t Tu-214
          1. mark1
            mark1 April 14 2021 08: 37
            +30
            Yes, you may be right, but you should pay attention to the fact that Tu-214 and Il-114 are of different classes (the difference in take-off weight is more than four times), so they could complement each other, and not compete
            1. NKT
              NKT April 14 2021 08: 53
              0
              It is clear that they are of different classes. At the expense of complementing each other, but why? Again, under the Il-114-300 to develop their own equipment and "maintain" two classes of patrol aircraft? We now have ready-made Tu-204/214 aircraft that can be converted into patrol aircraft. Time goes by, and the military all choose the type of sun.
              1. mark1
                mark1 April 14 2021 09: 04
                +11
                Quote: NKT
                At the expense of complementing each other, but why?

                Well, if only because a different class of airfields is required, Tu-204/14 can not be based everywhere (and cars and their maintenance are not cheap), not everywhere is it worth the candle.
                Quote: NKT
                Again under the Il-114-300 to develop their own equipment

                Have you already developed OWN equipment for 204?
                1. NKT
                  NKT April 14 2021 09: 14
                  +1
                  Well, what equipment is on OH, R and CP? For the modification of the submarine, for the Tu-214, I do not know whether it is being developed or not. But again, how much payload the Il-114 will take, what is the flight range, comfortable conditions for operators, etc.
              2. Kurare
                Kurare April 14 2021 09: 30
                +12
                Quote: NKT
                It is clear that they are of different classes. At the expense of complementing each other, but why?

                hi You wrote in the thread about Poseidon and that he is about the same class as the Tu-204/214. That's all right. But, unlike the United States, Russia needs a cheaper and more unpretentious anti-submarine vessel to monitor the coastal zones and without a high requirement for the type of GDP. In addition, having a lower loitering speed, the hardware requirements will also be lower.

                In general, I agree with mark1... Here you need to take into account the specifics of the Russian doctrine.
                1. NIKN
                  NIKN April 14 2021 10: 07
                  +8
                  Quote: Kurare
                  In general, I agree with mark1. Here you need to take into account the specifics of the Russian doctrine.

                  hi I fully support it. Each task has its own cost and redundancy does not add attractiveness. Otherwise, everything possible for all occasions would have been loaded into the An 124 and the questions would have been removed. But in life, even the A380 did not go, and oddly enough, the first position of the lack is not in the aircraft, but in logistics, maintenance and insufficiently developed airport infrastructure for this class of cars. Then the question arose of a radical modernization of the ground structure of airports or wait until with such an aircraft, the cost of the costs dictates its decisions.
                2. PROXOR
                  PROXOR April 14 2021 12: 21
                  +2
                  I think when our military has a demand for a complete analogue of Poseidon, they will remember that we have MS-21.
                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov April 14 2021 20: 07
                    +3
                    The techies I knew praised all Ilyushin's planes for their simplicity and ease of maintenance. The designers of the company were very careful about the maintenance of their aircraft! None of the other firms could (according to them) compare with them. Again, the Il-14 and Il-18 have a number of successful modifications. I believe that there will be a successful field of application for the Il-114.
            2. venik
              venik April 14 2021 12: 22
              +5
              Quote: mark1
              Yes, you may be right, but you should pay attention to the fact that Tu-214 and Il-114 are of different classes (the difference in take-off weight is more than four times), so they could complement each other, and not compete

              =========
              good Skipped your comment and squeezed a similar ... request Sorry! hi
              I totally agree! The fact is that it is not so simple with our anti-submarine patrol aircraft. For the far ocean zone there is a Tu-142 / Tu-95RTs. There are not so many of them, but they will still serve .... For the far sea zone, there is a Tu-214. But from the near sea zone - full of seams! Once this niche was closed by the Be-12, but only a few of them remained, and they are already living out their days (hopelessly outdated, worn out to the last extreme, there are no spare parts!). In a couple of years - they will write off the last, and then ???
              Theoretically, this niche can be filled by the Be-200 and Il-114. The Be-200 has easier basing (for it, just a gentle bank is enough), but the Il-114 is much cheaper and more economical!
              So the "sudden" interest of the military is not devoid of logic and meaning!
              drinks
            3. ramzay21
              ramzay21 April 15 2021 00: 27
              0
              so they could complement each other rather than compete

              We need a single multifunctional aircraft that combines both an ASW and a patrol aircraft and a naval reconnaissance aircraft capable of carrying torpedoes, depth charges and anti-ship missiles. The most optimal solution is our version of the American Poseidon, and the Tu 204 is best suited for these dimensions and characteristics, especially since they are already available in more than two dozen.
              Even the Americans cannot afford to design two of these types of aircraft.
              1. Barberry25
                Barberry25 April 15 2021 18: 29
                +1
                therefore the Americans have two of them - Orion and Poseidon laughing
                1. ramzay21
                  ramzay21 April 15 2021 20: 18
                  -1
                  Orions, like our Il 22, are outdated, and they added them to live out their days in the coast guard. Learn the mat part
                  1. Barberry25
                    Barberry25 April 15 2021 20: 25
                    0
                    Well, so far we are not offered to send them to serve in Cuba, to ensure the defense of the coast and there will be enough of them, the main thing is that they can be obtained a LOT and QUICKLY
                    1. ramzay21
                      ramzay21 April 16 2021 06: 14
                      0
                      Such an aircraft must be designed in the dimensions of Tu 204, especially since there are ready-made aircraft. It is very difficult to create such an aircraft. In the world, so far only the United States has succeeded, if ours can create it, this will be a serious achievement. Moreover, the Tu 204 already exists.
                      1. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 April 16 2021 09: 38
                        0
                        and it costs only 2 times more .. and they will be able to build 2-3 cars a year in the best case .. and how many boards does the fleet need now? 60 boards ... and how long does it take to deploy production? a couple of years and a few more billion rubles, and 114 have already been invested in the production and they are already ready to make 12 boards a year without investment ... so while there will be dances with tambourines around the Tu-204 it would be nice to buy a couple of dozen of at least 114s and close the bmz, and there it is already easy to work with the carcasses launched into series
                      2. ramzay21
                        ramzay21 April 16 2021 09: 47
                        0
                        The Navy needs an analogue of Poseidon, that is, an aircraft that combines the capabilities of an PLO, MR and RTR aircraft, capable of carrying torpedoes and anti-ship missiles. Tu 204 is mass-produced, and if an aircraft is created on its basis, it will not be difficult to produce them.
                        Il 114 is not yet produced, it will not work to cram into it what fits into the Tu 204. It will be a highly specialized aircraft or MR or RTR or PLO, incapable of solving complex problems and requiring additional weapons carriers. Everything in the place will turn out to be much more expensive and much less effective than the analogue of Poseidon based on the Tu 204.
                        An excellent airplane has already been created, you do not need to reinvent the wheel, you just need to create its analogue.
                      3. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 April 16 2021 09: 52
                        0
                        then a simple question .. why the military are still abandoning the Tu-204 and are interested in the 114th?
                      4. ramzay21
                        ramzay21 April 16 2021 23: 50
                        0
                        Everything is elementary. These are empty statements. And most importantly, we do not have equipment for such an aircraft, and no one creates it, so if they say that they will use ready-made aircraft that are in storage, a question will arise. When will the plane be? And in the case of Il 114, the answer is that we do not have an airplane. And then either the donkey dies or the padishah dies. Everything works for us according to this principle, it is high time to know.
                      5. Barberry25
                        Barberry25 April 17 2021 10: 29
                        0
                        laughing Or they will make an airplane .. or "there is no equipment for what exactly"? for an anti-submarine version or a patrol aircraft? you can put both of them on the same Helios, they want to put part of the canvas from the AWACS, which means the patrol aircraft can be made, it is also not a big difficulty to install some of the equipment for the PLO aircraft, there will be longer tests ... we will see what will happen, otherwise it reminds stories about "yes, there will never be kamikaze drones in Russia," but here it turns out that they have been testing the barmaley in Syria for a year already.
  2. Pereira
    Pereira April 14 2021 08: 40
    +2
    It's about patrolling, not carpet bombing.
  3. kapitan92
    kapitan92 April 14 2021 12: 23
    -1
    Quote: NKT
    But how does Poseidon fly? And what payload will the Il-114-300 take? 2-3t-4t versus 20t Tu-214

    IL 114-300 payload up to 7 tons.
    In the variant of a patrol aircraft, an electronic warfare aircraft, taking into account the speed, fuel consumption, patrol time.
    "Orion" in the States is still in business, and the machine of the 60s.
  4. venik
    venik April 14 2021 12: 48
    +1
    Quote: NKT
    And what payload will the Il-114-300 take? 2-3t-4t

    ========
    P-f-f! And this little? For a patrol / anti-submarine aircraft of the near sea zone - more than! Vaughn - "Breguet-Atlantic" is still flying (an extreme modification has been made since 1998) and they are not going to abandon it yet!
  5. adler87
    adler87 April 14 2021 16: 22
    +1
    Fuel savings, maintenance costs, different speeds.
  6. bayard
    bayard April 14 2021 21: 03
    0
    .
    Quote: NKT
    But how does Poseidon fly? And what payload will the Il-114-300 take? 2-3t-4t

    As far as I remember - 6,5 tons.
  • venik
    venik April 14 2021 12: 08
    +2
    Quote: mark1
    It's all about the minimum cruising speed - Tu-214 is very fast for patrolling.

    =======
    Not only this!
    The Tu-214 has a maximum take-off weight of approx. 110 tons, and for the IL-114 - 23 tons (with kopecks) ... Now think about the cost of the machine itself and the cost of a flight hour for one and the other !!
    Tu-214 is a patrol vehicle on medium distances (in the far sea zone), and the Il-114 would be good at short distances (near sea zone). But for the oceanic zone there is only T-142 / Tu-95RTs.
    hi
    1. hydrox
      hydrox April 14 2021 12: 32
      0
      Or maybe it makes sense to approach from the other side.
      Maybe we need not a patrol, but an AWACS as an addition to surveillance radars that can see at 3-6 kilokm, but can only give the target's bearing, but not the range and coordinates?
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 April 15 2021 11: 49
        0
        and you can put it, but you just need to drive the enemy's boats. Therefore, you need something cheap and massive ... the same carcasses can, at best, make 2-3 cars a year, but here at least 5-8 ... close the nearest one in a few years the coast, and there you can continue to work
    2. Barberry25
      Barberry25 April 16 2021 12: 55
      0
      Well, according to that infe that is, excluding special equipment, the price of machines-il-114 is 1 billion rubles, tu-204 from 2 billion rubles ..
  • svp67
    svp67 April 14 2021 14: 10
    +1
    Quote: mark1
    It's all about the minimum cruising speed - Tu-214 is very fast for patrolling

    No, it's all about the ability to base aircraft data and the requirements for the aerodromes used, as well as the price of both the aircraft itself and the hours of its operation.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 April 14 2021 16: 04
    -1
    Quote: mark1
    very fast for patrolling.

    depends on the purpose of the patrol.
    NATO, for example, made Orion reactive by converting it to Poseidon and vice versa increased its speed.
  • akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound April 14 2021 09: 47
    +1
    Those. if we take the previous generations of aircraft, then for you An-26 and Tu-134 - is it somewhere in the same capacity? wink
  • venik
    venik April 14 2021 11: 58
    +1
    Quote: NKT
    A very strange statement about the interest of the military, when there is a ready-made and debugged Tu-214 and, on its basis, the Tu-214R, Tu-214ON and Tu-214 SR models.

    =======
    Did it ever occur to you that these are cars of ABSOLUTELY DIFFERENT class? This is the same as comparing Boeing E-3 Sentry и Grumman E-2 Hawkeye!
  • svp67
    svp67 April 14 2021 14: 09
    0
    Quote: NKT
    A very strange statement about the interest of the military, when there is already a ready-made and debugged Tu-214

    Nothing strange, just look at the requirements for airfields to base aircraft data and compare them, as well as compare the price of an hour of operation. But this does not mean that such an aircraft based on the Tu-214 or MS-21 is not needed. Needed, but still in smaller quantities.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 14 2021 07: 49
    0
    It is necessary, necessary, necessary, only it will have to be completed until the necessary, positive results are obtained.
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 April 15 2021 18: 35
      0
      well, yes, but as an option to take this model .. and maybe you should think about an enlarged car .. with 4 engines instead of 2x
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 15 2021 19: 00
        +1
        Cars of different classes are needed ... for now, take what is already there.
        We are not in the USSR, where we knew how to quickly create everything that was needed .... alas, alas.
  • ermak124.0
    ermak124.0 April 14 2021 07: 59
    +9
    Hurry, well, hurry ... Life ends, and I really want to see the power of the Air Force again (I don't like the abbreviation VKS). And I still remember how the skin froze when our regiment had already been dragged to the Central Lobby, and the neighbors had not yet been taken away. This armada is worth fifty in number, and you go to the pre-flight ones and marvel at that power. With frost on the skin ...
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 April 14 2021 12: 41
      +2
      So the Air Force exists, only as part of the Aerospace Forces. There is a deputy commander-in-chief of the Aerospace Forces, the commander of the Air Force.
  • Pavel73
    Pavel73 April 14 2021 08: 08
    +7
    A good AWACS aircraft could be made. Oh, how we miss them. And on the basis of the Il-76 they are big and expensive. We need a more compact, cheaper and more massive one. In our drone-unmanned time, AWACS is extremely important.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 14 2021 09: 14
      +6
      By the way, the Chinese also think and rivet AWACS at a Chinese pace. Look at the Shaanxi factory airfield how many Ju-9s in the AWACS version were rolled out.


      And the patrolman did too


      And all sorts of interesting boards


      But, there is one difference. In Guangzhou, they are built 24/7 in-line. Approximately 18-24 aircraft are rented annually. The Il-114 will have the same story as the Il-76 - there are a lot of plans, but the reality is 1-3 planes a year and dreams of 5 by 25. As a result, the cost of Silt will again break through the firmament, and as a result, it will not be possible to buy it properly.
      1. hydrox
        hydrox April 14 2021 12: 54
        0
        Very tasty pictures, but flipping through them is just to kindle anger in drugs: since they are planning to build some idiotic regular high-speed rail route, provincial capitals are built up no worse than the Chinese with houses in which NOBODY settles - they are half empty.
        And what dolbak in Pr-ve decided that the construction of boxes is the locomotive of development ?????? Isn't it time to disperse the Pr-in, as it did not ensure rational spending of funds in spite of the needs and requirements of the state and the population.
    2. venik
      venik April 14 2021 14: 07
      0
      Quote: Pavel73
      A good AWACS aircraft could be made. Oh, how we miss them. And on the basis of the Il-76 they are big and expensive. We need a more compact, cheaper and more massive one. In our drone-unmanned time, AWACS is extremely important.

      ========
      In general, yes! Back in the days of the USSR, such an attempt was made:
      An-71:

      However, after the collapse of the USSR, the topic "covered with a copper basin" .... It's a pity!

      As for the Il-114, there is one problem: screws! Usually AWACS systems are trying to be placed on turbojet aircraft: rotating propellers interfere with the radar. The American "Hawkeye" and our Yak-44 project are exceptions of their kind: both wondered how deck!
      But as anti-submarine patrol IL-114 is quite suitable machine for work in the near sea zone. Well, for the border troops and the coast guard: what the "doctor ordered" .....
      By the way, it is this class of machine (2-engine with a turbine engine and a takeoff weight of about 25 tons) very widespread in many countries to solve the listed tasks:
      1) US Coast Guard Italian C-27J at Farnborough 2016


      2) Spanish CASA C-295MPA "Persuader" (built since 2006)


      3) Veteran Breguet "Atlantique III" (ATL3) This extreme (but perhaps not the last) modification has been under construction since 1998.


      And that's not all! Moreover, all of the above are in one "weight category" and have similar performance characteristics.
      In my opinion, the Il-114-300 is asking for this "warm company":
    3. yehat2
      yehat2 April 14 2021 16: 06
      -1
      the load for the AWACS aircraft is too small. If all the equipment will fit, then with great difficulty.
      One of the troubles of our industry is overweight electronics.
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 April 14 2021 16: 39
        0
        Progress does not stand still.
      2. venik
        venik April 14 2021 19: 02
        0
        Quote: yehat2
        the load for the AWACS aircraft is too small. If all the equipment will fit, then with great difficulty.

        ========
        Well yes! A surveillance radar was pushed into the An-71, and this - when was it? In the mid-80s! 35 years have passed! Do you think the electronics were smaller and lighter then?
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 April 15 2021 09: 30
          -1
          now the performance requirements have grown significantly.
          this is especially true for the detection of low-flying targets and targets with limited RCS,
          as well as work in conditions of interference.
          Previously, it was enough to detect a B-52 or F-18 at a distance of 200-250 kilometers under ideal conditions. In addition, the requirements for location accuracy and readable parameters and the number of tracked targets and their classification have increased.
          clearly the growth of requirements can be traced on the example of the latest Chinese AWACS aircraft
          over the past 15 years, they have raised the possibilities at times.
      3. Barberry25
        Barberry25 April 15 2021 20: 10
        0
        Saabs?
        The advantages of such an aircraft are that it is cheap and you can order a LOT of them and get them FAST ... that is. for a conditional 5 years, you can get a dozen and a half boards, which will cover the not weak need of the army and navy
    4. Barberry25
      Barberry25 April 15 2021 11: 50
      0
      laughing so uav .. how is his Helios on this topic doing
  • apro
    apro April 14 2021 08: 12
    -8
    Newest

    This is from what year is he newest ??? from 1987 ??? or somewhat poorer ?? and how much more will he be newest ???
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn April 14 2021 08: 55
      -1
      At the same time, it is not clear what is unique about it, if for so many years it has not really been in demand ?!
      1. Souchastnik
        Souchastnik April 14 2021 09: 39
        +4
        if for so many years he was not really in demand ?!

        And the demand is determined not only by the performance characteristics of the aircraft (consumer properties) but also by the attitude of the country's leadership to its fate and status in the international arena. We have a group of people who don't need anything at all.
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn April 14 2021 14: 59
          0
          Quote: Souchastnik
          And the demand is determined not only by the performance characteristics of the aircraft (consumer properties) but also by the attitude of the country's leadership to its fate and status in the international arena. We have a group of people who don't need anything at all.

          I asked about uniqueness
          1. Souchastnik
            Souchastnik April 15 2021 10: 30
            0
            I asked about uniqueness

            Regarding the uniqueness: in my, purely personal opinion, I do not see any unique aircraft. There are good planes in which a reasonable compromise has been found between different properties, there are unsuccessful planes. Aerodynamics studied up and down. Therefore, in order to come up with something unique, you need to try very hard.
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg April 14 2021 08: 57
      +1
      The newest modification of the Il-114. And from what year does the Boeing Boeing 737 fly? (narrow-body turbofan passenger aircraft.) The Boeing 737 is the most massive passenger aircraft in the history of passenger aircraft construction (on April 16, 2014, the eight-thousandth aircraft was delivered, almost 4000 orders are not closed). The aircraft has been produced by Boeing Corporation since 1967. wink
      By the way, another piece of news from our aviation remained unnoticed.




      ... On April 9, the first flight of the next production aircraft Il-96-300, built at the Voronezh Aviation Plant - VASO (part of the Transport Aviation Division of PJSC UAC of Rostec State Corporation) took place. The aircraft is undergoing a cycle of factory tests for subsequent transfer to the customer.

      https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/140723/
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 April 14 2021 09: 04
        +6
        subsequent transfer to the customer.


        Customer SLO. In general, there are no others and will not be sad ... The time of 4 propulsion planes has passed. Even the giant A380 died ... crying
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg April 14 2021 09: 07
          +3
          Progress does not stand still. We are waiting for the modification of the Il-96-400M with two PD-35s. And above all, the PD-35 itself, which should appear in 5 years.
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 April 14 2021 09: 18
            +2
            The question as a whole 400M is open. VASO, like in 2020, sharply reduced funding for an experienced 400M (with 4 engines) and they even wrote about it that due to a stuck topic and a lack of orders, they were transferring workshops to an abbreviated form and were forced to fire people. In 2020, the plane was not rolled out or raised. Which also confirms the delay on board.
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg April 14 2021 09: 26
              +2
              The PD-35 engines have to wait.



              However, the installation of two more powerful PD-96 engines on the Il-400-90M instead of the four PS-1A35 engines can completely change the picture. This is a promising double-circuit turbofan aircraft engine with ultra-high thrust from 33 to 40 tons on takeoff. In fact, this is a scaled and enhanced version of the PD-14, which has already been certified for the MC-21 medium-haul liner. The development of a new power plant began in 2016, a demonstrator is expected in 2023, and the first Il-96-400M with a PD-35 can fly in 2025. Serial production of PD-35 should begin in 2028. This super-powerful engine will be installed both on the updated domestic Il-96 and on the joint Russian-Chinese CR929.

              Therefore, by about this time, our country will be able to get its own 100% national wide-body long-haul airliner, which will fully meet all modern requirements.

              https://topcor.ru/19462-kogda-prezidentskij-il-96-300-smozhet-stat-narodnym-samoletom.html
          2. yehat2
            yehat2 April 14 2021 16: 13
            0
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            And above all, the PD-35 itself, which should appear in 5 years.

            why so long?
            after all, not so long ago several engines were tested
            why the next, very similar in design, needs to be brought to mind for 5 years?
            After all, there are stands, there are specialists with experience, there is experience of similar lines and the technology is debugged. The entire supply chain is also present.
            What are you going to spend 5 years on?
            By the way, the Americans adapted the F-22 engine for the penguin in just a few months.
            1. Orange bigg
              Orange bigg April 14 2021 18: 17
              -2
              ... why the next one, which is very similar in design, needs to be brought to mind for as long as 5 years? After all, there are stands, there are specialists with experience, there is experience of similar lines and the technology has been debugged.

              There are no stands. New technologies are being created to create PD-35. In 2016, the development of the PD-35 began, which should be completed in 2026. That is, the project is designed for 10 years. Why is it taking so long? This is the PD-35 project, being developed from scratch. New materials are being developed, 18 critical technologies that never existed in the USSR. In the Union, the most powerful engine was the D-18T with 23 tons of thrust, while the PD-35 had 35 tons of thrust. There have never been any stands for testing such engines in the Soviet Union. Test benches will have to be built from scratch.
              The Americans adapted the engine from the F-22 for the penguin in just a few months.

              The engine for the F-35 is essentially a modified version of the engine from the F-22, in fact, its modification.
        2. NKT
          NKT April 14 2021 09: 33
          +1
          You can also add A-340 and B-747
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      2. Guru
        Guru April 14 2021 09: 22
        0
        By the way, another piece of news from our aviation remained unnoticed.

        On April 9, the first flight of the next production aircraft Il-96-300, built at the Voronezh Aviation Plant - VASO (part of the Transport Aviation Division of PJSC UAC of Rostec State Corporation) took place. The aircraft is undergoing a cycle of factory tests for subsequent transfer to the customer.
        Well, finally they were born, in my opinion there was a problem with the engines, or rather with their absence, and so the glider was already ready for a long time. Therefore, apparently, they do not create a sensation in the press, but simply run in new engines.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 April 14 2021 09: 41
          +6
          The engines there PS-90A, American intellectual property were bought out even before the sanctions. The latest version is being made without American decisions at all.
        2. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg April 14 2021 09: 42
          +3
          I don't think there were any problems with the engines. Most likely they were waiting for the electronic stuffing of the aircraft. After all, this is still a control center.

          On April 9, the Il-96-300PU (M1) aircraft-air control center made its first flight with registration number RA-96024 (serial number 0024, presumptive serial number 74393203024) - the first one built at PJSC Voronezh Aircraft Building Company (VASO) for the Federal State Budgetary Institution "Special Flight Squad" Russia "of the Administrative Department of the President of the Russian Federation under a contract for two aircraft of this type.


          contract for the construction of two additional aircraft-air control stations Il-96-300PU (M1) for the Rossiya SLO with registration numbers RA-96024 (serial number 0024, presumptive serial number 74393203024) and RA-96025 (serial number 0025, presumptive serial number 74393203025) was concluded by the UAC at the end of 2015. The delivery of the Rossiya SLO aircraft was originally planned, respectively, for July 2018 and July 2019, then the deadline for the delivery of both aircraft was set in 2020, but as a result, the first board under this contract made its first flight only now.

          The aircraft with the registration number RA-9 (serial number 2021), which made its first flight on April 96024, 0024, became the first Il-96 aircraft built at VASO since 2016 - the previous Il-96-300 aircraft in the "Salon" passenger configuration (registration number RA-96023, serial number 0023, presumptive serial number 74393203023) made its first flight in Voronezh on August 18, 2016, and on December 30, 2016, the Rossiya SLO was transferred. In general, the aircraft with registration number RA-96024 (serial number 0024) became the 30th built IL-96 type flight aircraft.

          To date, the Rossiya SLO has ten Il-96-300 series aircraft, of which three belong to the Il-96-300PU (M1) modification, one Il-96-300PU (M) and one Il-96-300PU. The last Il-96-300PU (M1) aircraft with registration number RA-96022 was handed over to the Rossiya SLO on July 22, 2016.

          Two more Il-96-300 aircraft with serial numbers 0026 and 0027 are under construction at VASO.

          https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4289974.html
      3. yehat2
        yehat2 April 14 2021 16: 09
        -1
        this aircraft has very few prospects, regardless of its technical level.
    3. vladnp
      vladnp April 15 2021 08: 14
      +2
      If you don't write "newest" or "legendary" in the title, then no one will read
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 14 2021 08: 14
    0
    The warriors know better what they need.
    1. yehat2
      yehat2 April 14 2021 16: 15
      -1
      but they will buy what our monopolists need.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 14 2021 08: 19
    0
    And so far there is nothing else ...
  • Nadrub
    Nadrub April 14 2021 08: 29
    +5
    I was also interested in IL 114 ... but I do not plan to buy yet
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich April 14 2021 12: 36
      +2
      And I am planning. I have enough money for one chair. Let's cooperate?)
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 April 14 2021 16: 16
        0
        and I saved up for the wheel)))
        1. Andrei Nikolaevich
          Andrei Nikolaevich April 14 2021 20: 49
          0
          That's wonderful! We already have a chair, a wheel. Business is small. )
  • avia12005
    avia12005 April 14 2021 08: 49
    -3
    Why would Manturov and company need this? Give them an aircraft carrier, there is much more dough.
    1. Anzhey V.
      Anzhey V. April 14 2021 16: 15
      +1
      Eck they showered you with cons ...

      It is worth saying something not enthusiastic about aircraft carriers at VO - and that's it, the Sonderkommando is right there.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 14 2021 09: 02
    +2
    According to the criterion cost / efficiency / mass scale, the Il-114 platform is better than the Tu-204 platform.
  • Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev April 14 2021 09: 20
    +3
    There is already interest from the military. It is due to the unique flight characteristics of this aircraft.

    Well, that's not bad, but just good news, but again it sounded - unique performance characteristics... Tired of this informational aplomb. I just want to many new various domestic devices from domestic components. In the meantime, we have to talk about "uniqueness" Russian aircraft industry. For engineers and designers - Good luck !!! And effective managers ... you get the idea.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir April 14 2021 10: 07
    +1
    By the way, the newest,
    Il-114 - Soviet and Russian turboprop short-haul passenger aircraft, developed in the 80s of the XX century at the Ilyushin Design Bureau
  • Rriv
    Rriv April 14 2021 10: 28
    +1
    The Americans use such scouts every day along the border with the Kaliningrad region.

  • lopuhan2006
    lopuhan2006 April 14 2021 11: 22
    +2
    As a light patrolman, yes, as a replacement for the Il-18, no. This is an addition to the Il-18 and Tu-142, as a diesel-electric submarine, an addition to the submarine, but not a replacement !!! A good border guard, a good patrol officer to ensure the exit from the naval bases.
  • Oleg Aviator
    Oleg Aviator April 14 2021 11: 51
    +3
    Hopefully it will be brought to mind. And if there were no coup in Ukraine, they would fly on the An178. And I think the 70th would have been brought to mind. Now, even in a good scenario, hardly anyone will risk getting involved more. And what was the base in the Antonov Design Bureau. What developments .... It's a pity.
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich April 14 2021 12: 39
      +1
      There are no others. And further away. What to collect? .. It's good that at least now they realized that dealing with Ukraine is destructive and dangerous.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock April 14 2021 12: 06
    +2
    Of course unique.
    And of course he was interested.
    Still would not be interested, tk. there is simply nothing else like it in Russia.
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich April 14 2021 12: 33
    +1
    Yes, in fact, this plane also interested us, ordinary citizens. How long can you fly to the neighboring region, via Moscow?
  • notingem
    notingem April 14 2021 13: 50
    +1
    I would be more happy if this plane has attracted a large package of orders from commercial companies. And so about nothing
  • 89325328180
    89325328180 April 14 2021 15: 41
    +1
    There was no aircraft designer Ilyushin ... The author of the article clearly would not hurt to write correctly Ilyushin
  • Mikle2000
    Mikle2000 April 14 2021 16: 53
    0
    What December last year. The first flight took place 30 (thirty) years ago. The author needs to know the existing facts first and then make plans for the future.
  • Al_lexx
    Al_lexx April 14 2021 17: 36
    +1
    What went wrong there is a separate question for the competent authorities.
    Another question is that today there is simply no alternative for the Il-114, in the context of the hypothetical military tasks discussed in the article. So, the polyubas will be plated on the subject of the anti-submarine / reconnaissance officer.
    And just like a small transport worker for personal, incl. and senior / middle officers, it is also uncontested for the army.
  • aleksandrs95
    aleksandrs95 April 14 2021 21: 19
    0
    The IL-114 is definitely needed in anti-submarine warfare with one aircraft, here both the price and the cost of operation. I am convinced that useful things will fit into it. The equipment is not heavy now. But at least one torpedo is needed, but with this I think it will not be a decent mass of it. Or invent a new product for Eli?
  • Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov April 14 2021 23: 43
    0
    The funny thing is that
    there is nothing, nowhere and there is no need
    carry something by air.

    In your country, rail is cheaper
    (and this is even about the Russian Railways monopoly)
    there is nothing.
    1. Kolyma
      Kolyma April 16 2021 02: 39
      0
      Even funnier is the fact that geography was not available to everyone, although it would seem ... By the way, as well as the ownership of the issue of the coverage of the country's territory by Russian Railways. But the fact that the available railway service is cheaper, yes, that is.
  • av58
    av58 April 15 2021 00: 09
    0
    Russian "Orion". Why not?
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN April 15 2021 11: 04
    0
    A good replacement for the completely tired An-24/26. And the base is suitable for PLO.
    But the progress is painfully sluggish. hi
  • Radikal
    Radikal April 15 2021 11: 23
    0
    Quote: NKT
    But how does Poseidon fly? And what payload will the Il-114-300 take? 2-3t-4t versus 20t Tu-214

    In the USSR, there was a twin-engine Il-14, then the four-engine Il-18 appeared, on the basis of which a line of patrol aircraft was created. What (or who) prevents you from following this path and creating the Il-118? winked