Contracts and experience: the project of the submersible guard ship "Guardian"

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Submersible patrol ship at work

The Russian CDB MT "Rubin" has developed an original design of a submerging patrol ship. Such a ship should combine the main features and advantages of submarines and surface patrols. The project is proposed for export - it should be of interest to poor countries wishing to update their fleets.

Guardian Project


On April 12, CDB MT "Rubin" published the first official announcement about the new project. It provided basic information about the unusual concept, how it was implemented and the expected results. In addition, they showed a three-dimensional image of a patrol submarine during an operation.



The new export-oriented project was named Sentinel. The English designation "Border and Offshore Submersible Sentry" or BOSS is also offered. Probably, the Russian "Guard" will be promoted on the international market under the name BOSS.

The developers of the project note that modern patrol ships are relatively cheap - and due to the limited cost they attract the attention of poor countries. During operation, such ships are able to pay for themselves by preventing poaching and economic crime.

The Sentinel project proposes the construction of a ship that can operate on the surface or dive. It is argued that such a ship on the surface will be able to carry out full-fledged patrol work, find and detain intruders. The underwater position is intended for covert observation of the intruder, for reconnaissance and even for protection from adverse weather conditions. Research and training use of the ship is not excluded.

A message from the Rubin Central Design Bureau for MT mentions that this is the first version of a submerged patrol ship. From this it follows that in the future, on the basis of the basic model and its ideas, new ships with one or another difference can be created.

Technical features


The development organization showed the design appearance of the "Guard" in its current configuration. The official image shows a ship with the appearance of a submarine and some features uncharacteristic for an underwater fleet.

The "Guard" has an elongated hull with a flat deck, on which a superstructure-deckhouse of limited dimensions is placed. In the bow of the hull, the radome of the antenna of the hydroacoustic complex is visible. On the sides, in front of the superstructure-wheelhouse, there are extendable horizontal rudders. In the stern, there is a storage compartment for motor boats that are displayed on the deck.

The Sentinel / BOSS is said to be similar in architecture and main dimensions to the diesel-electric submarines of the old Project 613. This project was the most massive in stories domestic fleet and was very popular among foreign customers. Depending on the configuration, the "Guard" can have a length of 60-70 m and a displacement of approx. 1000 t - approximately at the level of project 613.

The full composition of ship systems and special equipment is not specified. At the same time, the fundamental possibility of using a wide range of systems for different purposes is mentioned. In particular, the patrol ship is capable of carrying various types of weapons. It can be equipped with a small-caliber artillery unit, missile system or torpedoes. For reconnaissance and inspection of ships, the ship will be able to carry UAVs with an autonomy of several hours and motor boats.

The Sentinel crew can include up to 42 people. This number includes both the crew itself, operating the ship, and the inspection team responsible for working with intruders.

Ship for the market


The development of the Guardian project was a response to the current requirements of the international market. Various countries are showing interest in the topic of patrol / escort ships. In this regard, they regularly receive news on the signing of contracts, bookmarking or delivery of new ships. Thanks to the Sentinel / BOSS project, the Russian industry can gain new positions in the international market.


The newest patrol ship "Pavel Derzhavin" of project 22160. Despite a number of original ideas, it retains the familiar appearance of a battleship

To win a foreign tender, a sample must have certain advantages over competitors. In the Sentinel project, it is proposed to provide them already at the level of the basic concept. It is planned to obtain several important advantages at once by abandoning the traditional appearance of a surface ship in favor of a combined scheme.

While retaining the basic features of a surface ship, BOSS will be able to conduct patrols, detain intruders, etc. - like other patrolmen. By installing one or another weapon, you can provide the required combat capabilities that meet the requirements for surface ships. At the same time, the ability to immerse will provide stealth and the ability to perform the task at depth, as well as other benefits.

It is important that the Sentinel is not a specialized ship, but a multipurpose offshore platform. The composition of its equipment and weapons should be determined by the customer, taking into account his needs. Accordingly, within the BOSS family, both simple patrol ships with minimal equipment and well-armed "hunters" capable of destroying surface and underwater targets may appear. This flexibility in the use of the platform can be a serious competitive advantage.

Objective difficulties


However, the proposed project and its basic concept are not devoid of ambiguous features and disadvantages. First of all, it is necessary to take into account the risks inherent in combined systems. Along with the advantages of surface and submarine ships, the Guardian can get their disadvantages, which, moreover, are capable of complementing and reinforcing each other.

The original concept to some extent complicates the path of ships to service. The potential customer "Guard" will have to carry out research work and determine the very need for such combat units. With a positive decision, it will be necessary to formulate requirements for the appearance and composition of the ship's equipment. You will also have to develop tactics of use that use all the capabilities of the ship and fully realize its potential. Then all this will need to be implemented and mastered in the fleet.

Thus, the acquisition and commissioning of ships of the BOSS type - although it will provide important advantages - is associated with certain difficulties. The potential customer may consider them excessive and inappropriate. The purchase of a "traditional" patrol in this respect will be much easier and cheaper.

It should be recalled that in the past, in our country and abroad, projects were repeatedly created that combined certain features of ships and submarines. Some of them have found limited application in certain narrow niches, while others have not progressed further. All this shows that the original combination scheme has limited commercial and practical potential. However, new projects of this kind retain some chances of full implementation.

Working out ideas


The proposed project of the submerging patrol ship "Guard" from the Central Design Bureau MT "Rubin" is of certain technical interest, but its real prospects remain in question. The basic concept and a well-developed project have both pros and cons that can influence the opinion of a potential customer. Probably, in the near future, the developer organization will promote "Guard" at various events and look for potential buyers.

If any foreign country is interested in a submarine patrol ship, then Russian shipbuilders can count on a lucrative contract. Otherwise, it will not be possible to make money on the "Guard", but this project will still be useful. Thanks to him, the Rubin bureau gets the opportunity to maintain its competencies and work out new ideas, creating a reserve for the future. Thus, hypothetical contracts are not the main goal of the project - in contrast to the accumulation of experience and the development of new solutions.
  • Ryabov Kirill
  • CDB MT "Rubin", Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
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  1. -18
    April 14 2021 05: 04
    Nonsense ..... Use a submarine as a patrol ?! But Muscovites will be able to do something else ... laughing
    1. +13
      April 14 2021 05: 26
      Well, yes, no one can compete with your armored boats.
      1. -10
        April 14 2021 13: 27
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Well, yes, no one can compete with your armored boats.

        You are not Russian .... Russian-speaking Bandera, right?
    2. +6
      April 14 2021 06: 50
      Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
      But Muscovites will be able to do something else ...

      Otakoyi what ... Yak tse? Shaw became belay , what Gulchatai Did Paraska open her ugly face?

      Have you realized that the "office" has been burned down, the attendances have failed, and further big top with changing shoes and changing clothes is pointless? "Russian-Siberian" you are our ...

      Quote: Insurgent
      Here you are, what side to Russia, because you write about Russia from a third person:


      Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
      I am Russian ..... Siberian-Krasnoyarets..... The retirement ...... did not sit at the headquarters, the last splinter was in -15 ... ... The guys threw the video of that year into the group, everything was lost, and what they managed to download to the computer was not skip ...... Do not be like a banderlog, be a UKRAINIAN ....... Ukrainian grandma ..... Ukrainian wife ..... and all Ukrainians are not my enemies .....


      I can imagine WHERE EXACTLY you got your - "last shard", fleeing from the cauldron ...
      1. -14
        April 14 2021 10: 52
        Quote: Insurgent
        Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
        But Muscovites will be able to do something else ...

        Otakoyi what ... Yak tse? Shaw became belay , what Gulchatai Did Paraska open her ugly face?

        Have you realized that the "office" has been burned down, the attendances have failed, and further big top with changing shoes and changing clothes is pointless? "Russian-Siberian" you are our ...

        Quote: Insurgent
        Here you are, what side to Russia, because you write about Russia from a third person:


        Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
        I am Russian ..... Siberian-Krasnoyarets..... The retirement ...... did not sit at the headquarters, the last splinter was in -15 ... ... The guys threw the video of that year into the group, everything was lost, and what they managed to download to the computer was not skip ...... Do not be like a banderlog, be a UKRAINIAN ....... Ukrainian grandma ..... Ukrainian wife ..... and all Ukrainians are not my enemies .....


        I can imagine WHERE EXACTLY you got your - "last shard", fleeing from the cauldron ...

        Ugh on you and many times ... laughing
      2. -5
        April 14 2021 13: 29
        Quote: Insurgent
        Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
        But Muscovites will be able to do something else ...

        Otakoyi what ... Yak tse? Shaw became belay , what Gulchatai Did Paraska open her ugly face?

        Have you realized that the "office" has been burned down, the attendances have failed, and further big top with changing shoes and changing clothes is pointless? "Russian-Siberian" you are our ...

        Quote: Insurgent
        Here you are, what side to Russia, because you write about Russia from a third person:


        Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
        I am Russian ..... Siberian-Krasnoyarets..... The retirement ...... did not sit at the headquarters, the last splinter was in -15 ... ... The guys threw the video of that year into the group, everything was lost, and what they managed to download to the computer was not skip ...... Do not be like a banderlog, be a UKRAINIAN ....... Ukrainian grandma ..... Ukrainian wife ..... and all Ukrainians are not my enemies .....


        I can imagine WHERE EXACTLY you got your - "last shard", fleeing from the cauldron ...

        Not Russian and you, but who knows RUSSIAN ....... tongue
        1. +3
          April 14 2021 13: 45
          Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
          Not Russian and you, but who knows RUSSIAN .......

          Not Russian Yes , and even while not a Russian - a Russian-speaking Ukrainian separatist from Donbass. What's in it?

          At least, about Russia, in a dismissive tone, I have never expressed myself, unlike some "Great Russians" ...
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  3. +11
    April 14 2021 05: 14
    There was an article here about a flying submarine. There were even drawings. But the idea remained on paper. Too fantastic. This Boss also looks like something implausible. Its use in the navy is unclear, and there are too many technical problems. Why such a complex watchdog ??? And the price is likely to be sickly.
    1. +15
      April 14 2021 05: 25
      Colombia will take 10 pieces anyway, they need to carry flour to the USA.
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  5. +14
    April 14 2021 05: 22
    Strange idea.
    To begin with, the shape of the hull must be optimized for movement either under water or on the surface, from this the difference in speed can be two times, all other things being equal. There will be a patrol ship that drags along like a turtle.
    There is nothing to say about the price - both the project itself and the manufacture and operation. No, of course, if you transport drugs on it, it will pay off :)))
  6. +15
    April 14 2021 06: 57
    Sho, the submerged patrol boat again !? belay "Repetition is the mother of learning"? "Cram, men ... cram!" ? Well, come on ... let it be! (It's a sin to offend "some" people!) But, actually, a similar "class" of ships existed before WW2! The first "miracle Yudo" were created by the Britons in 1925 in the form of the "submarine cruiser for surface combat" HMS X1! Some experts attributed it to submarines, but even outwardly this submarine resembled an ordinary ship .. albeit with ballast tanks on the sides!

    "Submarine" HMS X1 had four 5,2-inch (132 mm) QF Mk I cannons in two unarmored turrets: in the bow and aft, as well as 6 torpedo tubes for launching 21-inch (530 mm) torpedoes. on the surface, the diving ship developed a speed of up to 19.5 knots, or 36,1 km / h, making it the fastest in its class. At first glance, the HMS X1 was a formidable force, which, according to the plan of the British admirals, was supposed to confirm the status of Great Britain as the master of the sea. However, serious problems immediately arose: the water-insulating shell lifters could not provide even the minimum required rate of fire. A similar situation was with torpedo tubes. It took the crew about 24 minutes to reload them. As a result, the expectation of surprise was not justified. But most importantly: any damage to the ballast tanks carried a mortal danger to the submarine cruiser. This means that there could be no talk of ship duels.
    The second were the French ... In 1934, they commissioned their Surcouf, a diving gunship with a turret with two 8-inch (203 mm) guns. Its powder magazine contained 600 shells, which, according to the developer, turned the submarine into an underwater heavy cruiser designed for effective surface combat. The submarine even carried in the hangar, built behind the conning tower, a floatplane Besson MB.411, intended not only for reconnaissance, but also for adjusting fire! Alas, they were unable to solve complex technical issues. So, the interval between surfacing and the first shot was 3 minutes 35 seconds, and ideally. But if the boat was going to fire an aimed salvo, the time increased so much that the surprise factor was lost. Again, due to the tightness requirements, the guns were designed for 14 rounds from each gun, after which a long reloading of the magazines was required. And given the stronger pitching of the submarine in comparison with the surface ship, the shooting, even during the exercises, was recognized as a failure! In the end, the French built only one "diving" ship instead of three. But that one was also sunk ... either as a result of American fire "out of friendship", or because of a collision with a cargo ship!

    HMS X1

    SURCOUT
    But the "pre-war" dream of a "miracle ship" haunted the "post-war" marimans! And now in the world there are projects of "diving" ships "2nd generation"! This is a French SMX-25

    And English

    Of course, in the USSR they could not stand aside in this case! So there was a submersible ship of project 1231 (missile boat)
  7. +3
    April 14 2021 07: 52
    Well, again, it looks like a promotion for Latin America. Does VO exist in Spanish?
  8. +5
    April 14 2021 08: 09
    Let's also make it flying. And the caterpillars so that he climbed ashore. The most important thing is that R&D should be fatter and saw sharper.
    -hypothetical contracts are not the main goal of the project - in contrast to the accumulation of experience and the development of new solutions.
  9. -2
    April 14 2021 08: 43
    Why not. From a commercial point of view. Poor countries have long since switched from the operation of full-fledged fighters to TCB and all sorts of Super Tucano. In this case, they get a limited version of the spacecraft with the function of a patrol ship for mere pennies. Interestingly the SAC will be provided there
  10. +4
    April 14 2021 08: 43
    There have already been similar projects in different countries, including the USSR. Nothing good such projects except their .... exoticism .. were not. As a technology demonstrator, yes. As a practical use, it is too vague. Well, except that drug cartels are interested. They love these toys. There are no advantages, there are too many problems in all directions (creation, operation, basing, etc.).
  11. +5
    April 14 2021 09: 10
    OMG, millennials invented the submarine!
  12. +2
    April 14 2021 09: 27
    Let me guess, the slogan of this "project": Like a BOSS? wassat
  13. -6
    April 14 2021 09: 43
    Aside from emotions, the idea is sane.
    Sensible in the sense that using a dive you can get away from aviation and the visibility is greatly reduced.
    The only correctly expressed fear is that the speed will be insufficient for the pursuit.
    But here there is an option to shove a light helicopter with weapons in there. But how much of this is possible at the current size is a big question.
    Well, the price will obviously be higher.
    In any case, such ships are needed in limited quantities for special operations.
    1. +2
      April 14 2021 10: 10
      In order for the helicopter to take off, you need to swim, perform a series of operations to remove the helicopter from the hangar. At this time, the ship loses all the advantages of a submarine and can be detected. Helicopter takeoff is another way to reveal your location to the enemy.
      Therefore, probably, the Americans use minisubmarines to deliver combat swimmers to the landing site during special operations.
      1. -4
        April 14 2021 13: 07
        By a special operation, I meant the option: we stand in a given area and collect evidence. Then we abruptly surface and grab the intruder.

        As for the helicopter, in fact it is needed only in peacetime. In the event of hostilities, it is more expedient to take the UAV instead (because in this case the helicopter will be clearly a suicide bomber).

        From here, options for a fairly fast take-off are possible: for example, a folding hangar, i.e. we open the flaps, fold the blades into working position and take off. In the meantime, the helicopter is preparing for takeoff, we pursue the intruder on the surface.
    2. +3
      April 14 2021 13: 18
      The submarine can be seen visually from the air at periscope depth
      1. -1
        April 14 2021 13: 57
        Not always - this time, and secondly, you need to have special ammunition, and they are not suspended every time and not on all aircraft. Plus, it is always line of sight, and here no stealth can help either the submarine or the plane.
        1. +3
          April 14 2021 14: 19
          We are talking about an underwater patrol
          His gas analyzer for diesel exhaust will also determine
          Will not be on this plane - the next one will arrive, this patrol boat will not leave the area anyway during this time
          And the usual ammunition for periscope depth is suitable, especially since it will not be a submarine in terms of strength, it does not need much, buoyancy is already negative
          1. -3
            April 14 2021 14: 43
            What is the exhaust if we go under water?
            While the next patrol boat flies, it will not sit on its feet either. Firstly, it will maneuver, and secondly, it will call its aviation.

            What is ordinary? The bomb is possible, but the rocket is no longer aimed at anything. Here only special torpedoes should be used.
            1. +2
              April 14 2021 15: 57
              Ordinary. From a diesel engine. It doesn't matter under water that it is on electricity
              An ordinary bomb is enough for him at periscope depth.
          2. 0
            April 14 2021 15: 17
            Quote: Avior
            His gas analyzer for diesel exhaust will also determine
            Will not be on this plane - the next one will arrive, this patrol boat will not leave the area anyway during this time

            Do drug cartels have anti-submarine aircraft?
            I didn’t know, I didn’t.
            1. +4
              April 14 2021 16: 01
              Drug cartels have these types of submarines
              And the state has nothing to do with them
            2. +1
              April 14 2021 16: 06
              On the other hand, a special plane is not needed for this miracle.
              Plain light motor, what darkness
              Visually detectable, the charge can be manually discarded. And the gas analyzer can be found on sale
    3. 0
      April 27 2021 00: 24
      Quote: alstr
      Aside from emotions, the idea is sane.
      Sensible in the sense that using a dive you can get away from aviation and the visibility is greatly reduced.


      Aviation of smugglers or poachers? What anti-submarine aircraft do they have in service?
  14. -1
    April 14 2021 12: 29
    Dla skritnoy perevozki narkoti, same to.
  15. Lad
    +2
    April 14 2021 19: 26
    The reason for the emergence of these "watchdogs" is that there is an outdated technology for the production of diesel submarines that are poorly sold. Therefore, they are trying to sell these boats using such a marketing ploy with a "submersible" watchdog. Like if the submarines are not needed, then we will sell the same thing, but under a different name. And why, one wonders, will it be only submersible and not underwater? Because a diving person can have lower requirements for the duration of stay under water, etc. A submersible ship is of the same type as an airplane. It cannot fly far with normal characteristics, but it can fly.)) Therefore, we will present it as an airplane, it seems that it was intended.
  16. kig
    0
    April 15 2021 04: 21
    Sounds like an April 1st joke ... a little belated
  17. 0
    April 27 2021 00: 36
    There is an opinion that the UAV will solve the tasks of patrolling, reconnaissance and even covert surveillance no worse than a submarine. And it will cost much less. And the pursuit of a client, whose activity clearly presupposes the ability to quickly escape, on a diesel submarine, is not even funny.

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