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In Azerbaijan: And the next day after the question about the use of Iskander-M missiles, no response was received from abroad

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Azerbaijani media continue to actively exaggerate the topic related to yesterday's statement by the head of state Ilham Aliyev. The matter concerns the statement of the President of Azerbaijan during the opening of the trophy equipment park in Baku.


Standing next to one of the stands, Aliyev said that Baku wants to get an answer where the Armenian army got the missiles of the Iskander-M operational-tactical missile complex (OTRK). According to Aliyev, it was the Iskander-M missiles that were used during the combat operation in the area of ​​the city of Shusha (the Armenian version is Shushi).

According to Aliyev, “it is interesting to know how the missiles hit the Armenians, which they should not have”.

The question of who, how and why shot down a Russian helicopter in the skies over Armenia, Ilham Aliyev, apparently, does not care. And most importantly, the question does not bother when the perpetrators will be held responsible for this crime. And this despite the fact that the Azerbaijani authorities promised to conduct a transparent investigation and punish those responsible immediately after the incident - on November 9, 2020.

The Azerbaijani press also notes another statement by the president of the republic:

We have dispelled the myth about the invincibility of the Armenians.

This statement is puzzling. It turns out that before the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, Aliyev himself considered the Armenian army invincible. If he didn’t think about it, then what specific “myth” is he talking about, and who spread such a “myth” about him?



It is pointed out in Azerbaijan that “the next day after the question of the use of Iskander-M missiles, no response was received from abroad”. At the same time, Azerbaijan does not touch upon such a fact as the fact that the means of objective control did not record the Iskander missile launches of the Armenian troops. No attention is paid to another oddity. Why did Ilham Aliyev not ask his question about Iskander-M immediately after the conflict, but waited more than 5 months? Perhaps, the topic was not raised immediately for the reason that the fragments of the Iskander-M missile were not at the disposal of the Azerbaijani army at that time ...
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U April 13 2021 10: 58
    +9
    Perhaps, the topic was not raised immediately for the reason that the fragments of the Iskander-M missile were not at the disposal of the Azerbaijani army at that time ...
    Attention question! Where did these debris come from now ?!
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 April 13 2021 11: 04
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Attention question! Where did these debris come from now ?!

      This is not wreckage, it was a big sign that was hung for him (see first photo). He reads.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana April 13 2021 12: 00
        +7
        Something all this begins to remind me of Goebbels' provocation against the USSR with the burials of Poles shot by the Germans near Smolensk in Katyn.

        Only someone else tried to destroy the relations between Russia and the Republic of Azerbaijan!
        1. ironic
          ironic April 13 2021 13: 22
          -7
          Or someone once again used stripe corruption schemes, which is also likely.
          1. venik
            venik April 13 2021 15: 26
            +2
            Quote: ironic
            Or someone once again used stripe corruption schemes, which is also likely.

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            How tired of all this .... All these "wise" comments ..... am Usually they are dealt with by "friends" from "near" and not very "abroad" .......
            1. ironic
              ironic April 13 2021 16: 40
              -7
              Are you tired of the suspicion of corruption among your bandmates? Well, then you are good with it inside, your right. The specific question comes out a little like this, and since this is not a Berdanka, but a serious weapon, the neighboring countries are quite interested in themselves, given that Syria is very close. Naturally. You will have to live with this too. stop
        2. Patigorsk2020
          Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 14: 01
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          Quote: Tatiana
          Only someone else tried to destroy the relations between Russia and the Republic of Azerbaijan!

          Willingly believe.
        3. venik
          venik April 13 2021 15: 23
          +1
          Quote: Tatiana
          Only someone else tried to destroy the relations between Russia and the Republic of Azerbaijan!

          =======
          Let's not "poke our fingers", and so everyone understands: WHO (this third)!
        4. Achilles
          Achilles April 13 2021 17: 40
          +3
          Quote: Tatiana
          Something all this begins to remind me of Goebbels' provocation against the USSR with the burials of Poles shot by the Germans near Smolensk in Katyn.

          Only someone else tried to destroy the relations between Russia and the Republic of Azerbaijan!

          On this topic, many statements and investigations have already been carried out, take a look
    2. 210ox
      210ox April 13 2021 11: 07
      +22
      The wreckage of the Russian helicopter has been lying for a long time. And there is still no response from Azerbaijan regarding the guilty. Well, let's go through the forest with the debris of the rocket.
      1. Yujanin
        Yujanin April 13 2021 11: 18
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        The wreckage of the Russian helicopter has been lying for a long time. And there is still no response from Azerbaijan regarding the guilty. Well, let's go through the forest with the debris of the rocket.

        V.V. Putin instructed the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to pay compensation to the families of the killed pilots and closed the turnkey topic with the Mi-24.
        Now what kind of claims are we talking about?
        1. Thrifty
          Thrifty April 13 2021 12: 02
          +11
          Zhdulian, what has Putin got to do with it? You meanly shot down a turntable legally based at our base in Armenia, and have the audacity to ask us questions about the wire of the Russian Iskander complexes legally sold to the Armenians? Has your Aliyev got lost at all? ??
          1. Yujanin
            Yujanin April 13 2021 12: 16
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            Your government saw no parallel between the two incidents. For this reason, I closed the question with the turntable.
            1. Thrifty
              Thrifty April 13 2021 12: 27
              +12
              Zhdulian - is your government not aware that Armenia actually legally bought Iskanders from us? And the question with the turntable you meanly shot down is not closed! If you are real men, punish the guilty yourself, pay compensation to the families of the victims yourself, erect a monument to its crew at the place where the helicopter was hit! !!
              1. Yujanin
                Yujanin April 13 2021 13: 11
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                and your government is not aware that Armenia actually legally bought Iskanders from us?

                Information about the purchase of a specific modification of the Iskander OTRK by Armenia is classified.
                For this reason, in fact, questions are being raised.
              2. ironic
                ironic April 13 2021 13: 23
                -3
                Iskander-M cannot be bought legally from the Russian Federation by anyone. Only Iskander-E.
                1. Patigorsk2020
                  Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 13: 27
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                  Quote: ironic
                  Iskander-M cannot be bought legally from the Russian Federation by anyone.

                  That is why the FSB took up this issue a couple of days ago. I read the news about it.
                  1. ironic
                    ironic April 13 2021 14: 06
                    -6
                    It will be very interesting to know how the Marleson ballet continued.
                  2. venik
                    venik April 13 2021 15: 47
                    +2
                    Quote: Patigorsk2020
                    That is why the FSB took up this issue a couple of days ago. I read the news about it.

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                    What a news! What, you are a fan of the "yellow press" ??
                  3. tsvetkov1274
                    tsvetkov1274 April 13 2021 18: 57
                    +1
                    Where did you come from?
                    zaregan the day before the alleged remnants of missiles were "discovered".
                    for almost six months one of them lay 15 meters from the road ...
                    discovered them after a blizzard ...
                    after the president visited there ..
                    although he said that there were no launches ...
                    in a funnel from a high-explosive charge (cassette as in the photo)
                    and as already mentioned above, yuri podolyako put all this rough fake on the shelves with georeference
                    it's strange that Aliyev fell for request
                    1. AĞGURD
                      AĞGURD April 15 2021 08: 44
                      -1
                      Believe me, Aliyev was not led like Putin with a helicopter ... they both know a lot more than everyone else and I think you need to trust their leaders and their decisions ... we Azerbaijanis (Turks) and Russians have strong insidious but cowardly and offended enemies, and this is the most dangerous
                2. venik
                  venik April 13 2021 15: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: ironic
                  Iskander-M cannot be bought legally from the Russian Federation by anyone. Only Iskander-E.

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                  Moreover, even the export "Iskander-E" was sold only to Armenia (and then only 4 pieces) ..... They are not going to sell any more, although there is interest (especially in far abroad - very large!).
                  1. ironic
                    ironic April 13 2021 16: 36
                    -4
                    It would be good to close this question if this is so, but if not, then it would be good to clarify how so?
                    1. venik
                      venik April 13 2021 17: 55
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                      Quote: ironic
                      It would be good to close this question if this is so, but if not, then it would be good to clarify how so?

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                      It is not clear only: WHAT to close, and WHAT to clarify! Everything is in my opinion and so clear!
                      1. ironic
                        ironic April 14 2021 11: 55
                        -3
                        What's clear? Who found this out? Why does he need to believe?
                  2. Azimuth
                    Azimuth April 13 2021 23: 36
                    0
                    If the Israeli information is confirmed that the Iskander-M missile near Baku was shot down by their Barak-8 air defense system, then there is no need to talk about the interest in our OTRK "especially in the far abroad".
                    The Armenians are good or bad, but the war in Karabakh is a fiasco of many of our systems that were of interest to foreign customers. But after the Azerbaijanis, demonstratively, destroyed both our current and most modern systems, plus sanctions from the United States, under video recording, it is no longer necessary to talk about large export contracts.
                    1. venik
                      venik April 14 2021 09: 33
                      -1
                      Quote: Azimuth
                      If confirmed israeli information that the Iskander-M missile near Baku was shot down their air defense system Barak - 8,
                      .
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                      Well, if Israeli information and even about "successes" Israeli air defense system then what doubts can there be? "Madame said: Oh my God!" lol
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                      Quote: Azimuth
                      then there is no need to talk about the interest in our OTRK "especially in the far abroad".

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                      First question: WHO is going to sell it? Already a long time ago (even before the recent war in Karabakh), the leadership of Rostec and the Ministry of Defense announced that Iskanders were to be exported will not - too powerful offensive weapon. The delivery to Armenia was the first and the last.
                      Question two: If the Houthis "cackled" the Saudi "Patriot" with the help of Iranian-made UAVs and artisanal "drones", so: now everyone should shy away from these "Patriots" (which the Yankees themselves position as "the best in the world"), how the heck of incense ?.
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                      Quote: Azimuth
                      But after the Azerbaijanis, demonstratively, destroyed both our current and most modern systems for video recording.

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                      Come on, come on! But from this place, please, in more detail! These are what exactly "the most modern"Russian systems are there"exponentially destroyed? The list is in the studio!
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                      Quote: Azimuth
                      plus sanctions from the United States, it is no longer necessary to talk about large export contracts.

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                      -Chef! Everything is lost! The plaster is being removed! The client is leaving! Everything ... everything ... everything !!!!


                      PS "If you are silent, then others may think that you are not completely stupid. If you speak, you risk dispelling their last doubts on this score!"(O. Balzac).
                      Conclusion: Sometimes it is better to remain silent than to carry nonsense!
                      hi
                      1. ironic
                        ironic April 14 2021 12: 00
                        -1
                        This is not Israeli, but Azerbaijani information. Israel supplied an unearthly version of the Barak-8 complex to Azerbaijan. Israel itself uses Barak-8 in the ship's air defense / missile defense. Iskander-E is exactly the export version. The question is about the non-export version of Iskander-M, which, if delivered abroad, violates the signed contract.
                    2. ironic
                      ironic April 14 2021 11: 56
                      -1
                      Whether the Israeli air defense system knocked down something, this is secondary, but if the information is confirmed that it is Iskander-M, and not Iskander-E, this is a scandal.
                      1. venik
                        venik April 14 2021 14: 20
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                        Quote: ironic
                        Whether the Israeli air defense system knocked down something, this is secondary, but if the information is confirmed that it is Iskander-M, and not Iskander-E, this is a scandal.

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                        Can you tell by the wreckage of the rocket: was it Iskander-M or Iskander-E ?? belay
                        For example, I - I can't ... And no one else - also!!! ....
                        Just because the missiles there are the SAME! request
                      2. ironic
                        ironic April 16 2021 01: 31
                        +1
                        Those. you can't tell the difference, but you know that no one else can? request This is an interesting passage. I don't know especially, but the missiles are the same. Even more interesting. request
                3. uav80
                  uav80 April 16 2021 07: 58
                  0
                  At the time of deliveries to Armenia of the complexes in 2016, Russia did not have ready-made Iskander-E, and the deliveries had to be made urgently, therefore the Iskander-M division was supplied, which violates the agreement on the proliferation of missile technologies, since these missiles exceed 300 km ...
          2. 210ox
            210ox April 13 2021 12: 30
            +1
            Hence it follows, with the debris of the rocket, GO FOREST!
            1. ironic
              ironic April 13 2021 13: 24
              -5
              Are you officially authorized to decide this? By whom?
          3. venik
            venik April 13 2021 15: 45
            -1
            Quote: Yujanin
            Your government saw no parallel between the two incidents. For this reason, I closed the question with the turntable.

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            Our government has been waiting for more than half a year from yourА governmentsА - the answer to the question: WHO is to blame? and WHAT has been done? And your government is like water in your mouth! And he is only looking for what else the Russian Federation can be accused of! am
            PS Use good attitude and good neighborly relations as floor cloth?
            1. syndicalist
              syndicalist April 13 2021 17: 36
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              Quote: venik
              Our government has been waiting for more than half a year from your government - an answer to the question: WHO is to blame? and WHAT has been done?

              They waited half a year - it means they will still wait. Why bother with answers if the questioner doesn't really demand them?
            2. AĞGURD
              AĞGURD April 15 2021 09: 15
              -1
              Quote: venik
              Quote: Yujanin
              Your government saw no parallel between the two incidents. For this reason, I closed the question with the turntable.

              ===========
              Our government has been waiting for more than half a year from yourА governmentsА - the answer to the question: WHO is to blame? and WHAT has been done? And your government is like water in your mouth! And he is only looking for what else the Russian Federation can be accused of! am
              PS Use good attitude and good neighborly relations as floor cloth?

              You are substituting Putin with your comments and persistence about the helicopter ... if he considered Azerbaijan to be wine, why did Putin pay the concession and not Aliyev ... and nobody touches the topic except Armenians .. that Putin is afraid of Aliyev? Or someone else? Or maybe Aliyev, taking responsibility for himself, saved the situation about which we can guess and predict like bastards ... or maybe ...? or..? Personally, I consider Putin a good ruler and respect Aliyev less than
        2. Old tanker
          Old tanker April 13 2021 17: 47
          -1
          And Putin is here despite the fact that he does not ask Aliyev for those who shot down our turntable. The pilots were killed in it. But the alleged use of Iskander in Shushi has not even been announced about the dead, but there is a demand.
          Here is an example of the approach of two commanders.
      2. venik
        venik April 13 2021 15: 33
        +1
        Quote: Yujanin
        V.V. Putin instructed the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation to pay compensation to the families of the killed pilots and closed the turnkey topic with the Mi-24.
        Now what kind of claims are we talking about?

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        He personally "whispered it in your ear"? Or so - reasoning "sitting on the couch"?
    3. Patigorsk2020
      Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 11: 35
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      Quote: 210ox
      The wreckage of the Russian helicopter has been lying for a long time. And there is still no response from Azerbaijan regarding the guilty. Well, let's go through the forest with the debris of the rocket.

      Compensation has been paid. But to the question of the Azerbaijani side what the military helicopter was doing at the border during the war, the Azerbaijani side did not receive an answer.
      1. avg
        avg April 13 2021 12: 00
        +21
        Quote: Patigorsk2020
        Compensation has been paid. But to the question of the Azerbaijani side what the military helicopter was doing at the border during the war, the Azerbaijani side did not receive an answer.

        The Russian helicopter escorted a convoy of vehicles from the 102nd base of the Russian Federation in Armenia, on Armenian territory and outside the combat zone. Therefore, a shot from a MANPADS can only be called vile, a jackalim, and no matter what nonsense you are talking about, you will have to answer.
        1. Patigorsk2020
          Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 12: 22
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          Quote: avg
          The Russian helicopter accompanied a convoy of automotive equipment at the 102nd base of the Russian Federation in Armenia, on Armenian territory and outside the combat zone.

          1. Look where the road along which the convoy was traveling is located.
          2. Look at and calculate the distance from the road to the border.
          3. Look where the border is and where the helicopter fell.
          4. Ask yourself the question, what "smart" person is drawing a route along the road that has never been used for a convoy.
          5. Why did that "smart" not think that a combat helicopter during the war between 2 countries flies directly over the border. Do you think this is normal? What consequences can you not think?
          6. Why times fly near the border, that "smart" in civilized countries warn. They say we are flying. Warn. And not just took and flew wherever I want, especially the war
          7. Why do pilots, knowing points 4,5, 6 and XNUMX, fly at night at low altitudes just over the border?
          8. Normal sane people think that this is a setup, a deliberate move. The history of such cases knows a lot.
          9. As you indicated, the fire was made from MANPADS, and if you look at point 3, then make sure that there is a mountain between the border of Azerbaijan and Armenia and the Azerbaijani side does not see the convoy road at all.

          Quote: avg
          and no matter what nonsense you are talking, you will have to answer.

          Nonsense?) I didn't expect any other answer from you either. Good luck. My text is meant to be sane.
          1. avg
            avg April 13 2021 12: 44
            +9
            Quote: Patigorsk2020
            Nonsense?) I didn't expect any other answer from you either. Good luck. My text is meant to be sane.

            President Aliyev acknowledged the responsibility of Azerbaijan, but you are still talking nonsense trying to hide behind verbal diarrhea.
            1. Patigorsk2020
              Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 12: 57
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              Quote: avg
              President Aliyev acknowledged the responsibility of Azerbaijan

              I also admit that the Azerbaijani side shot down a helicopter. Where did I deny?

              I also admit that the Japanese covered Pearl Harbor, but ALSO admit that they (the Americans) wanted it to be a reason for war with Japan and also admit that they did everything to make it happen. You see, this is a classic scenario. Dates, route, situation, it all looks like a setup.
              1. avg
                avg April 13 2021 13: 03
                +9
                Quote: Patigorsk2020
                You see, this is a classic scenario. Dates, route, situation, it all looks like a setup.

                Those. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation made a classic setup and it was completely successful, but Shoigu changed his mind and canceled the war. The logic is off scale. Congratulations.
                1. Patigorsk2020
                  Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 13: 28
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                  Quote: avg
                  Those. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation made a classic setup and it was completely successful, but Shoigu changed his mind and canceled the war. The logic is off scale. Congratulations.

                  then give me at least one reason how the RF Ministry of Defense could have stopped the war when the Azerbaijani side was already at the outskirts of the city of Khojaly.
                  1. Bakinec
                    Bakinec April 13 2021 14: 19
                    -7
                    These poddivnye experts do not have enough convolutions to answer your question.
        2. Yujanin
          Yujanin April 13 2021 12: 57
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          Direct all questions to the RF Ministry of Defense! Maybe they will tell you something new.
      2. Thrifty
        Thrifty April 13 2021 12: 07
        +7
        Pyatigorsk 2020 - at least you wrote your nickname correctly, the helicopter was based on the territory of Armenia, conducted air escort of our military cargo on the territory of the same Armenia, almost on the border with Azerbaijan, either the Turks or Azerbaijanis shot it down, that is, this is a deliberate provocation against Russia. If I were Putin, within a radius of 10 kilometers from the launch point of the rocket, I would have turned everything to ashes without thinking! !!
        1. Patigorsk2020
          Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 12: 25
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          Quote: Thrifty
          on the territory of the same Armenia, almost on the border with Azerbaijan

          This word is ALMOST a fatal mistake of the pilots or that "smart" who told them to fly from there. Read my post above and you will understand. And when there is a war between these countries, the word is ALMOST inappropriate.

          Quote: Thrifty
          If I were Putin, within a radius of 10 kilometers from the launch point of the rocket, I would have turned everything to ashes without thinking! !!

          That is why you are not Putin, because someone, Putin, knows exactly why this helicopter flew from there and what purpose it pursued.
        2. Patigorsk2020
          Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 12: 34
          -9
          Quote: Thrifty
          within a radius of 10 kilometers from the launch point of the rocket, he turned everything into ashes without thinking! !!

          Look at the map. I have indicated everything. Prove back I will publicly apologize !!! All in the attention of your answer. The questions are higher. You understand to fight, fly, read, understand, study, military affairs and so on, not only you know how. I'm waiting for your answers.

          By the way, the Lostarmor website has a more detailed map ... And the above questions are also written by representatives of Russia. It's not just me asking these questions.

          1. Thrifty
            Thrifty April 13 2021 13: 41
            +4
            Pyatigorsk, since you started poking, I answer you as well! The helicopter guarded the equipment, it is pointless to fly directly over it, otherwise the field of view, especially in the mountains, is reduced to a minimum. The column can be shot if the helicopter is flying directly over it. He must fly in password, at some distance, so that the convoy does not come under fire! It was the helicopter that came under fire, which proves the provocative nature of this crime! And, most likely, the "representatives of Russia", just like me, demanded from you an honest and objective answer, and not overwhelm their requests! And by the way, what about the compensation from your country, what about the apologies to the pilots' relatives, when will you put the monument to the dead crew? ??
            1. Patigorsk2020
              Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 14: 04
              -8
              Quote: Thrifty
              The helicopter guarded the equipment, it is pointless to fly directly over it

              see the map? Do you think Azerbaijanis will climb the mountain and shoot at the Russian convoy? Are you out of your mind? The mountain is already the territory of Armenia. The road is not visible from the Azerbaijani side. From whom was the convoy protected from Azerbaijan? Did they give you a reason?

              Quote: Thrifty
              And by the way, what about the compensation from your country, what about the apologies to the pilots' relatives, when will you put the monument to the dead crew? ??

              I don’t know about the monument, but the apology and compensation have been paid.
              1. Thrifty
                Thrifty April 13 2021 14: 39
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                Pyatigorsk, a real man admits mistakes and will apologize at least, and will not play around! Unlike you, I'm out of my mind! There are mountains and a gorge, there are plenty of places for provocation to drag Russia into the war, and then to accuse Russia of illegal supply of weapons and ammunition to the Karabakh army. What and how you will begin to do, I do not know all the twists and turns of your train of thought, but the Turks would gladly hit the convoy, accusing the Armenians of this. You do not want to understand the main thing that when there is a war at hand, defense cannot be superfluous! The helicopter was carrying out a combat mission, you meanly shot it down! EVERYTHING! I have no desire to talk to you anymore, you are a typical hypocrite, you would have had the conscience to admit you were wrong and apologize, but it is pointless to expect this from you, most likely there will be a new provocation on your part.
              2. venik
                venik April 13 2021 16: 08
                +1
                Quote: Patigorsk2020
                see the map? Do you think Azerbaijanis will climb the mountain and shoot at the Russian convoy?

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                But the turntable is shot down!
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                Quote: Patigorsk2020
                Are you out of your mind? The mountain is already the territory of Armenia.

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                And what, is it something that bothers you ??? What is the mountain in the territory of Armenia?
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                Quote: Patigorsk2020
                The road is not visible from the Azerbaijani side.

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                That's why we climbed! Like "look" ......

                PS So - the question: "Who is in his mind and who is not" - it is quite possible to forward it to you too!
            2. Old tanker
              Old tanker April 13 2021 18: 03
              0
              The column can be shot if the helicopter is flying directly over it. He must fly in password, at some distance, so that the convoy does not come under fire!


              Escort helicopters do not fly in parallel with the convoy, but move in circles over it or the figure eight. Since the speed of the convoy is lower than the speed of the helicopter. And the column can stretch for several kilometers (depending on the amount of equipment in it and road conditions). Moreover, it flew forward, and from both flanks, and from the rear, observing the podsiup to the route. Therefore, it is quite logical that the helicopter was somewhat away from the column. But an expert on Internet sites Pyatigorsk2020 probably does not know this.
        3. Konnick
          Konnick April 13 2021 14: 33
          -2
          Pyatigorsk 2020 - at least you wrote your nickname correctly, the helicopter was based on the territory of Armenia, conducted air escort of our military cargo on the territory of the same Armenia, almost on the border with Azerbaijan, either the Turks or Azerbaijanis shot it down, that is, this is a deliberate provocation against Russia. If I were Putin, within a radius of 10 kilometers from the launch point of the rocket, I would have turned everything to ashes without thinking! !!


          And if you look at who benefited from it? Perhaps it was a provocation by Armenia, in the expectation that Russia would harness itself into a conflict. Aliyev admitted too quickly, emotionally, the destruction of the helicopter. Wait, maybe it was not an Azerbaijani provocation, as it was absolutely unprofitable for them.
          1. Patigorsk2020
            Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 16: 54
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            Quote: Konnick
            And if you look at who benefited from it? Perhaps it was a provocation by Armenia, in the expectation that Russia would harness itself into a conflict. Aliyev admitted too quickly, emotionally, the destruction of the helicopter. Wait, maybe it was not an Azerbaijani provocation, as it was absolutely unprofitable for them.

            I am very glad that at least someone was sane here. Thanks for the answer. You are a plus.
          2. Shiden
            Shiden April 13 2021 17: 50
            +2
            I want to correct there was not any provocation of the usual buzzing heads. And all these theories are beneficial to whom, and since the judgment of all versions, the pulling of evidence by the ears is nothing but to cover the ass of commanding.
        4. Old tanker
          Old tanker April 13 2021 17: 55
          -1
          If I were Putin, within a radius of 10 kilometers from the launch point of the rocket, I would have turned everything to ashes without thinking! !!

          Unfortunately, Putin is not capable of this. Here, even with tomatoes alone, I did not dare, like our Dryer in Syria.
          1. Azimuth
            Azimuth April 13 2021 23: 48
            +1
            Most likely, Uncle Vova knows better than ours how and why our crocodile, and one more accompanying the convoy, and not a couple, ended up there and was shot down.
            There, the Azerbaijani troops were on their ears, especially their air defense. The Armenians had fired a missile at this exclave a day or two earlier, trying to expand the front of hostilities and involve both us and the Turks in the war.
            If you do not know, then in the event of an attack on this exclave, Turkey would enter a war with Armenia, and it would start ... this is an old and neglected business.
            1. Old tanker
              Old tanker April 14 2021 06: 22
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              The theory that Vova knows that the helicopter was deliberately framed too smacks of conspiracy. And why he was alone, and not a couple, there may be a number of commonplace reasons.
              I also do not see the logic of the Armenians to involve Turkey in the war in full. This is suicide for the Armenian statehood.
        5. icant007
          icant007 April 14 2021 11: 40
          -1
          Quote: Thrifty
          that is, it is a deliberate provocation against Russia.


          I very much doubt that this is so.
          Rather, the Nakhichevan air defense personnel simply outdid it.
          The question is whether the Azerbaijani side was informed about the movement of the column.
          I think yes. Whether this information was brought to the lower levels, I doubt it.

          Do you know where the helicopter was shot down.? In the place where the road from the depths of Armenia approaches the border, makes a turn and starts to go along the Nakhichevan autonomy.

          Imagine that you are the shooter of a MANPADS crew on duty. And suddenly you are informed that there is movement on the other side of the border. The hum of cars is heard, the noise of a helicopter. And all this is approaching the border.
          Now imagine that before that tragic moment, there was peace and quiet on the border.
          And suddenly such a movement. You see a helicopter. What decision will you make?

          Alas, but such a tragic accident.
      3. Thrifty
        Thrifty April 13 2021 12: 29
        +4
        Pyatigorsk 2020 - he was legally based there, on the basis of an agreement with Armenia on the presence of our military base on the territory of Armenia! Is it clear, or will you still ask us questions without giving our answers? ????
      4. alexmach
        alexmach April 13 2021 12: 37
        +6
        But to the question of the Azerbaijani side, what was the military helicopter doing at the border during the war, the Azerbaijani side did not receive an answer.

        I mean, what did you do? I flew. Where it should be.
        1. Patigorsk2020
          Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 12: 58
          .
          Quote: alexmach
          I mean, what did you do? I flew.

          Your words remind me of one moment ..... where did Kursk apl ... with a grin the answer "drowned" and you answer .... "flew"
      5. venik
        venik April 13 2021 15: 57
        -1
        Quote: Patigorsk2020
        But to the question of the Azerbaijani side what the military helicopter was doing at the border during the war, the Azerbaijani side did not receive an answer.

        ======
        Do you know how to read? The answer was given at once: He accompanied the convoy passing through the territory of Armenia and did not fly into the territory of Azerbaijan! And the fact that the road passes near the border with the Nakhichevan region, don't you, an Azeri, know WHAT mountains are! Roads are not laid there where I want to, and where perhaps!
    4. venik
      venik April 13 2021 15: 29
      0
      Quote: 210ox
      The wreckage of the Russian helicopter has been lying for a long time. And there is still no response from Azerbaijan regarding the guilty. Well, let's go to the forest with the debris of the rocket.

      =======
      No, Dmitry! There is no way to shrug it off! Here it smells like a stinking provocation, and from the same series as the downed "crocodile"! Here you need to ANSWER! And answer sharply !!!
  2. Holgerton
    Holgerton April 13 2021 11: 08
    .
    This is generally not even a question, if they were found, then the wreckage was reported when they stumbled upon them while clearing the territory, as it were more than a logical version, given that often no one conducts a targeted search for any "specific" wreckage / ammunition, especially with such a density of use, which took place in Karabakh.
    Here are the wreckage of the Mi-24, and the wreckage of the Igla missile defense system has not yet been found, although it would seem that they should have been found long ago.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach April 13 2021 11: 41
      +9
      In Shusha? Surrendered without a fight? Special forces with knives? Ammunition density?

      I still have a question - how did he determine that it was Iskander-M?
      1. Holgerton
        Holgerton April 13 2021 11: 52
        -6
        According to the marking of the units, there were some photos with 9M723 in the news, but I can't vouch for them?
        Despite the fact that Shusha was not so bloodlessly "captured by special forces" as you say, especially since the article deals with "the area of ​​the city of Shusha", and this clearly goes against your "in Shusha", because these are two different concepts.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach April 13 2021 12: 12
          +4
          So 9M723 is the same basic product included in the complex. Including the export version.

          Rocket modifications
          Rocket 9M723K1 / 9M723K5 - missiles with cluster warheads.
          Rocket 9M723K-E - export version of a rocket with a cassette warhead
          Rocket 9M723-1 - An improved version of the rocket, developed as of 2007-2009.
          Rocket 9M723-1F / 9M723-1FE - missile with radar GSN 9B918
          Rocket 9M723-1F2 / 9M723-1F2Tl - serially produced, with the letters "T" - telemetric version of the rocket
          Rocket 9M723-1K5 / 9M723-1K5Tl - mass-produced, with the letters "T" - telemetric version of the rocket.
          The 9M723 missile with a new type of combat equipment — the launch of a new type of combat equipment was carried out at the Kapustin Yar training range on October 11, 2011. The launch was successful.
          Rocket 9M723 with optical correlation seeker - 14.11.2911/XNUMX/XNUMX, a missile with this type of seeker successfully passed tests at the Kapustin Yar training ground.
          1. ironic
            ironic April 13 2021 13: 26
            -3
            Iskander-E cannot carry a cassette warhead.
            1. alexmach
              alexmach April 13 2021 13: 29
              +4
              How is this known?

              Wikipedia doubts this statement, it even gives the name of the rocket.

              Rocket 9M723K-E - export version of a rocket with a cassette warhead
              1. ironic
                ironic April 13 2021 14: 09
                -4
                / / /
                Iskander-E. The simplification of the complex concerns the reduction of the range to 280 km and the delivery options do not include cluster warheads with self-aiming elements
                / / / /
                No doubt about it.
                1. vadimtt
                  vadimtt April 13 2021 14: 20
                  +2
                  A cassette warhead is not necessarily equipped with "self-aiming elements".
                  1. ironic
                    ironic April 13 2021 14: 28
                    -5
                    Well, in this case, there is no problem to identify the Iskander-E and the corresponding warhead, because it is smaller and lighter than the warheads that are installed on Iskander-M.
                    1. alexmach
                      alexmach April 13 2021 15: 04
                      0
                      Well, in this case, there is no problem to identify the Iskander-E and the corresponding warhead, because it is smaller and lighter than the warheads that are installed on Iskander-M.

                      We continue the conversation all the same .. And where did this information get sucked from? Themselves above gave a quote on the topic of what is different. Where is there about the smaller warhead?
                    2. ironic
                      ironic April 13 2021 16: 42
                      -3
                      The weight of the Iskander-E warhead does not exceed 480kg, which is not at all the case for the Iskander-M.
                    3. Old tanker
                      Old tanker April 13 2021 18: 17
                      +1
                      What does the mass of a high-explosive b / h have to do with it, if fragments of a cassette are presented?
                    4. ironic
                      ironic April 14 2021 11: 48
                      -3
                      The weight of the Iskander-E cassette warhead is 480kg. The weight of Iskander-M warheads varies according to different sources from 650 to 800kg.
          2. alexmach
            alexmach April 13 2021 15: 02
            -1
            cluster warheads with self-aiming elements

            And if you still read what is written?
            1. ironic
              ironic April 13 2021 16: 42
              -2
              And what has not been read? The selection has been read.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach April 13 2021 16: 47
                0
                Well, it means it's not clear.
              2. ironic
                ironic April 13 2021 17: 25
                -1
                And what is not understood? Warheads for M and E are different. So to establish the difference in labor should not be. What's wrong? It's like that.
              3. alexmach
                alexmach April 13 2021 18: 02
                +1
                You do not understand what you quoted.

                Iskander-E cannot carry a cassette warhead.


                Iskander-E. The simplification of the complex concerns the reduction of the range to 280 km and the delivery options do not include cluster warheads with self-aiming elements

                You shouldn't argue with your cognitive abilities.
                Warheads for M and E are different. So to establish the difference in labor should not be. What's wrong? It's like that

                All wrong. The cassette warhead shown in the photo with Aliyev is used in all modifications of Iskander, exactly the same cassette submunitions are used in Tornadoes, for example. Everything in your reasoning is wrong.
              4. ironic
                ironic April 14 2021 11: 54
                -3
                You do not know the meaning of the word cognitive, you only heard the familiar sounds of the language and are used to using this word in the most primitive of NLP techniques. Iskander-E cannot carry the same warheads that Iskander-M can carry. Yes you are right for E there is a cassette part with 48 and 54 elements from different manufacturers and both weigh 480 kg. Iskander-M is capable of carrying other warheads and more and more weight and size. It will not be difficult for specialists to find out. Now all the points have been set for us. And without inaccuracies and understatements?
              5. alexmach
                alexmach April 14 2021 12: 26
                +1
                I do not believe that there are "specialists" in Azerbaijan who are capable of telling with certainty from the presented debris which version of Iskander this missile is. Therefore, all statements on the Internet, in particular your confused ones above, look like spreading parsley to me. That's all I have to say about this.

                I understand the meaning of the words I use, and I said exactly what I wanted to say.
              6. ironic
                ironic April 14 2021 12: 34
                -3
                With faith it is you to Gd, and proof is to the question of knowledge. This is how you know the meaning, you believe in it. And what they wanted, I have no doubt. They are like that.
              7. alexmach
                alexmach April 14 2021 12: 36
                +1
                With faith it is you to Gd, and proof is to the question of knowledge.

                And you have neither one nor the other.
                This is how you know the meaning, you believe in it. And I have no doubt about what they wanted. They are like that.

                Stop this empty verbiage.
              8. ironic
                ironic April 14 2021 12: 48
                -2
                Well, you have faith, and I ask questions, because there is no answer yet.

                Well, set an example, stop verbiage.
              9. alexmach
                alexmach April 14 2021 13: 05
                0
                Well, you have faith, and I ask questions, because there is no answer yet.

                My faith was given to you. I'm not talking about faith. You have neither knowledge, nor proofs, nor sufficient mental abilities to simply analyze open sources (or has your knowledge of the language faltered?).

                Questions? What questions did you ask? I've skimmed a couple of pages up our discussion and didn't see any questions.
                I see lies for example:
                Iskander-E cannot carry a cassette warhead.

                This is not a question, it is a lie.
                I see the inability to understand the quote as much as one whole sentence. And again the lie following her.
                I see attempts to become personalized according to the "self" scheme in response to specific arguments.
                One empty blah blah blah, that's all you are.
              10. ironic
                ironic April 16 2021 01: 22
                0
                And you do not have the ability to judge all of the above, but this does not prevent you from judging.

                Well, I also see your lies. Double. The lie about my abilities is one and the lie that I'm lying is two. And that doesn't bother you either. It does not put pressure on the conscience. Or not.

                Well, yes, you are an empty blah blah blah, if you subtract the attempt to shut your mouth to uncomfortable questions. Self-reflection is the main obstacle to seeing that the world does not consist of gray rows of impersonalities with monotonous approval of everything that seems right to you. That's what you are.
              11. alexmach
                alexmach April 16 2021 09: 46
                0
                Well, I also see your lies. Double. The lie about my abilities is one and the lie that I'm lying is two.

                But this is an established fact. I am quoting your false message, I am showing your elementary errors in reasoning. You are just playing "yourself".
                trying to close your mouth to uncomfortable questions

                What other awkward questions? I didn't see a single question at all.
              12. ironic
                ironic April 18 2021 12: 41
                0
                Well, this is your idea of ​​the familiar word "fact", that's just why someone else should believe in it, it's not a fact at all. You first of all produce your false statement that I am lying, using the lack of accuracy of my first message and even after I have recovered with sufficient accuracy, continue to lie about my lies. And you could not cite any mistakes in my reasoning, as well as what did yes, turn up on yourself first, and then you will present the same claims to others.

                This is because you are trying to roll blindly. The questions are the same. If this is the Iskander-M combat unit, how did it happen that it was not in the hands of the RF Ministry of Defense, if it is the Iskander-E combat unit, then why doubts about this have not yet been refuted?
              13. alexmach
                alexmach April 18 2021 16: 12
                0
                Your lie is an established fact. First you started singing that the export Iskander does not have cassette warheads. Was that an inaccuracy? Not "no" but "is." Wow imprecision. Then, in support of this inaccuracy, you quote about homing elements. What an inaccuracy it is if you continue to defend it, without even understanding at all what you are writing. This is a banal lie, you are a liar, while not versed in the issue.
                And you could not lead any mistakes in my reasoning

                Of course I couldn't, give a quote about homing elements proving your lie about the lack of cassette warheads in the export Iskander. Well, what a mistake there really could be. The main thing is to shout loudly "I'm right, I'm right!" and the written nonsense, after all, no one will notice.
                I brought it several times and showed it several times too. Stop juggling with meaningless sounds. You are incapable of conducting a discussion either because you do not know the facts, or because you do not have sufficient intelligence for this.
                If this is a combat unit Iskander-M, how did it happen that it was not in the hands of the RF Ministry of Defense?

                I never heard a convincing answer from which it follows that this is the Iskander-M warhead. Your statements are empty seams.
                If this is an Iskander-E warhead, then why have doubts about this still not been refuted?

                What can be refuted by a person who is confused in one sentence? Too much honor to refute empty vyser forumnyh trolls.
              14. ironic
                ironic April 18 2021 18: 12
                0
                Fact is your lie about facts. Yes, this is an inaccuracy, since in all open sources this is the first thing that is given, and then it becomes clear that this is not so, but there is a difference in cassette warheads between the two versions. This is precisely an inaccuracy and it has already been sorted out and everything became clear to everyone and all the dots have become over the I, but you continue to lie about someone's lie and the analysis of the question, although the question has been sorted out.

                No, it does not prove, it proves the inaccuracy, which is disassembled, given and has no colons. And you continue to lie about me, i.e. you are a banal slanderer. And yes, this is not stupidity, but this is free-range slander. They didn’t bring it even now, didn’t bring it and showed that you are a slanderer and nothing else.

                I did not claim that this was a warhead from the M version, I asked a question if it was an M warhead, it should be more than 480kg and endowed with a different number of combat components, because two versions of 480kg warheads are known and given in open sources, and it is you, as a slanderer, who attributed this to me, as a statement.

                I was not confused, and did not see the difference from one sentence, where there was no sufficient explanation, but I also gave the specified data later, and the slander about my statements is all yours. Here are your vyser forumnyh trolls and a lot of honor to disassemble.
              15. alexmach
                alexmach April 18 2021 18: 22
                0
                Yes, this is an inaccuracy, since in all open sources this is the first thing that is given

                Above I gave a quote from Wikipedia, this is the most open source that claims the exact opposite. You are lying again. This time about all open sources.
                but there is a difference in cassette warheads between the two versions

                What is the other difference between cassette warheads in different versions? Where is the reliable information about this difference? And how can you see from those wrecks that this is the wrong version? Enough to pass off fabrications as facts. Stop lying!
                This is precisely an inaccuracy and it has already been sorted out.

                Where is what and by whom is it disassembled? I see only lies, and empty shouts, I see transitions to personalities, I see anything other than facts and their adequate analysis.
                if it is a warhead M, it must be more than 480 kg and endowed with a different number of combat components

                Where does this information come from? I see your posts about kilograms and the number of cassettes in the warhead, I do not see a link to at least some source of this information. But I see a bunch of lies sucked out of the finger. I see personal attacks on me. I don't see any facts and analysis. I don't see the ability to conduct at least some kind of dialogue.
              16. ironic
                ironic April 18 2021 20: 03
                0
                Not claiming otherwise. Complementing the inaccuracy of another quote from Wikipedia. Therefore, you are lying about my lies again, i.e. slander.

                The difference, according to the Wikipedia you specified, is about the cassette warheads M and E versions. I cannot verify the veracity of this information. This can only be done by experts. There is no need to lie about what I did not claim. Stop lying about me and slandering me yourself.

                Here it is also disassembled. Are you blind? Your lies here that I am lying and your slander against me. And what is the general transition to personalities? Are you impersonally writing your posts?

                Information is provided on the limitations of the export version under the contract, up to 300 km radius and up to 500 kg warhead. Accordingly, according to open data on Iskander-E, radius up to 280 km and warheads up to 480 kg.
                https://www.kbm.ru/ru/production/otrk/37.html

                Another lie about my lies and slander and personal attacks against me. Malicious channeling under the blind. In general, the original intention is not to understand, but to denigrate and slander. What kind of dialogue there is.
              17. alexmach
                alexmach April 18 2021 21: 54
                0
                I must apologize if I misunderstood your messages. I have read above only the accusations and attacks on Russia.

                About "experts". So Experts of non-involved countries most likely use 90% of the data of the same open sources, especially about modifications that are not supplied abroad.

                I very much doubt that "M" and "E" are somehow different in combat units - it's just pointless, well, except perhaps for something special like the same self-aiming elements. For a cassette or just a high-explosive warhead, this is completely meaningless. The launch range differs exactly. Possibilities and algorithms of maneuvering may differ. The homing head may differ. But the warhead is essentially the most banal part of the rocket, while repeating the concept of warheads of other products - aerial bombs and the same Smerch missiles.
              18. ironic
                ironic April 19 2021 17: 49
                0
                Again, I'm not a military expert. I only know public information. According to open information, the warheads for the E-version weigh 480kg, while the warheads for the M-version, according to various sources, are from 650 to 800kg. Therefore, I wrote that these are things that should not particularly complicate military experts, and if this is the E version, then it is provable, if the M-version is also provable. If this is the E version, then the international treaty is respected, if the M version, then it is violated. I didn’t say anything else.
  • Old tanker
    Old tanker April 13 2021 18: 15
    0
    especially since the article deals with "the area of ​​the city of Shusha", and this clearly goes against your "in Shusha", because these are two different concepts.

    The article is an article, and the Azerbaijanis gave the exact coordinates of the location of the fragments of two missiles. Moreover, a photo of the alleged "place of the paderia" of one of them was attached. They clearly show that these are quite crowded places and they have not been discovered for 4 months, well, you have to try very hard. And the cluster munition does not give a crater at all, as it is in the photo of the alleged "fall site" of one of the missiles.
    So it’s just right to ask Aliyev himself where these debris came from.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 18 2021 18: 12
      0
      Why don't they ask?
  • Patigorsk2020
    Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 11: 54
    .
    Quote: alexmach
    I still have a question - how did he determine that it was Iskander-M?

    In his comment, an ANAMA spokesman named the coordinates of the locations where the missile debris was found.

    “The geographic coordinates of the missile debris are as follows: 39 ° 45'38.10" N 46 ° 44'33.90 "E and 39 ° 45'27.80" N 46 ° 45'25.80 "E. During a check by the Agency's specialists of the identification number (9M723) of the missile, it was established that its wreckage belonged to the Iskander missile system. Even when searching in open Internet resources, one can determine that the identification number 9M723 belongs to the Iskander missile. All this confirms that during the war, in particular, to destroy the city of Shusha, Armenia used Iskander missiles against Azerbaijan, ”the ANAMA spokesman said. (photo on the link)

    https://haqqin.az/news/205714
    1. ccsr
      ccsr April 13 2021 12: 32
      0
      Quote: Patigorsk2020
      “The geographic coordinates of the missile debris are as follows: 39 ° 45'38.10" N 46 ° 44'33.90 "E and 39 ° 45'27.80" N 46 ° 45'25.80 "E. During a check by the Agency's specialists of the identification number (9M723) of the missile, it was established that its wreckage belonged to the Iskander missile system. Even when searching in open Internet resources, one can determine that the identification number 9M723 belongs to the Iskander missile. All this confirms that during the war, in particular, to destroy the city of Shusha, Armenia used Iskander missiles against Azerbaijan, ”the ANAMA spokesman said. (photo on the link)

      Lies, because the geographic coordinates were given by the Azerbaijani side, and the numbers can be made in any workshop that repairs artillery and missile weapons at the district level.
      Moreover, it is possible that the wreckage was secretly stolen from our test site, where the Iskanders are shot or tested, and then taken to Azerbaijan, not excluding the fact that local citizens often carry even unexploded shells to the scrap metal collection points.
      The most important thing is that the Americans did not provide any evidence of the launch of the Iskander missile, and they certainly would have detected it from their reconnaissance stations, both ground-based and space-based. Therefore, let the Americans first declare this, and only then we will discuss whether the launch was or not.
      1. Patigorsk2020
        Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 13: 02
        -7
        Quote: ccsr
        Lies, because the geographic coordinates were given by the Azerbaijani side, and the numbers can be made in any workshop that repairs artillery and missile weapons at the district level.

        Honestly, I VERY HOPE THIS IS A LIE! I personally would be happy if it was punched in the trowel ... only I am worried about another question ... Ilham Aliyev will not think of that experts can analyze and check ........ and if he is lying, then it will be far from funny ....... it will be very disrespectful in relation to Russia. What if he is telling the truth? ..............
        1. ccsr
          ccsr April 13 2021 13: 12
          +5
          Quote: Patigorsk2020
          .Ilham Aliyev will not think of what experts can analyze and check ..

          And many of our experts were allowed to visit the Boeing shot down over Ukraine? By the way, there was also a bacchanalia there - at first they were shown them, and then suddenly they concocted such a version about Georgia, which is simply amazing.
          Quote: Patigorsk2020
          . and if he is lying then it will be far from funny.

          Why on earth should we believe him, if from now Erdogan's best friend, on whom the stigma is nowhere to put?
          Quote: Patigorsk2020
          it will be very disrespectful towards Russia. What if he is telling the truth?

          Why then did he keep silent about the "truth" when he came to the Kremlin to see Putin?
          1. Patigorsk2020
            Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 13: 32
            -4
            Quote: ccsr
            And many of our experts were allowed to visit the Boeing shot down over Ukraine?

            Dear, I am violet to Ukraine. Azerbaijan is not Ukraine.

            Quote: ccsr
            Why on earth should we believe him if from now Erdogan's best friend

            Considering that you are building a nuclear power plant for Turkey, selling the S-400 and offering the SU-54, you are no less friends with Erdogan. And given the tourist flow to Turkey from Russia, friendship goes not only to the state. level.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr April 13 2021 14: 39
              0
              Quote: Patigorsk2020
              Dear, I am violet to Ukraine. Azerbaijan is not Ukraine.

              It's even more violet to me that Aliyev will lie there, only the smell of shit comes from him.
              Quote: Patigorsk2020
              Considering that you are building a nuclear power plant for Turkey, selling the S-400 and offering the SU-54, you are no less friends with Erdogan.

              And what difference does that make to his character as a Middle Eastern rogue who swears friendship and shoots down our plane? We are not friends with him - we just use him when he opposes the United States.
              Quote: Patigorsk2020
              And given the tourist flow to Turkey from Russia, friendship goes not only to the state. level.

              Approximately 5% of Russia's population travels to Turkey - 2019
              the number of Russian citizens who visited the republic amounted to 7 million 17 thousand 657 people. It is reported by Rambler.
              Further: https://news.rambler.ru/middleeast/43598168/?utm_content=news_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
              So do not build any illusions about Turkey, those who cannot afford to rest in more prestigious resorts in Europe just go there.
          2. ironic
            ironic April 13 2021 14: 11
            -4
            And what has Ukraine and not a Ukrainian Boeing to do with it?
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon April 13 2021 11: 11
    +10
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Where did these debris come from now ?!

    Well, for example, familiar barmaley sent from Syria.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U April 13 2021 11: 16
      +13
      Quote: Piramidon
      Well, for example, familiar barmaley sent from Syria.

      This will be the number if you compare them with the serial numbers and where the copies were sent! Heydarych runs the risk of getting a very pale look!
      1. Dym71
        Dym71 April 13 2021 11: 18
        .
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        This will be the number if you compare them with the serial numbers and where the copies were sent! Heydarych runs the risk of getting a very pale look!

        Do you think Aliyev did not check?
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U April 13 2021 11: 22
          +12
          Quote: Dym71
          Do you think Aliyev did not check?

          Do you think you have access to Iskander serial numbers in the RF Ministry of Defense?
          1. Dym71
            Dym71 April 13 2021 11: 47
            -9
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Do you think you have access to Iskander serial numbers in the RF Ministry of Defense?

            It seems that we will not see the serial numbers.
            1. Patigorsk2020
              Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 11: 56
              -8
              Quote: Dym71
              It seems that we will not see the serial numbers.




        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon April 13 2021 11: 23
          +4
          Quote: Dym71
          Do you think Aliyev did not check?

          I checked and sawed down the numbers. lol
      2. Yujanin
        Yujanin April 13 2021 12: 27
        -8

        This will be the number if you compare them with the serial numbers and where the copies were sent! Heydarych runs the risk of getting a very pale look!

        The Armenian side at the highest level has repeatedly stated that they used Iskanders in the 44-day war.
        What are you dreaming about???
    2. JD1979
      JD1979 April 13 2021 11: 57
      -3
      For example from here.

      But the cunning means of objective control did not detect the launches))
  • gurzuf
    gurzuf April 13 2021 11: 19
    +7
    With this question to the illusionist Waltzman! He has extensive experience in obtaining irrefutable evidence.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 13 2021 13: 28
      -5
      Who is this?
      1. gurzuf
        gurzuf April 26 2021 14: 05
        0
        Front of Zeli.
        1. ironic
          ironic April 26 2021 15: 30
          0
          What is it?
          1. gurzuf
            gurzuf April 26 2021 19: 14
            0
            But you can't do that ... if you have the Internet stop
            1. ironic
              ironic April 26 2021 19: 24
              0
              And sho I now have to read all sorts of crap on the Internet? request
  • Patigorsk2020
    Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 11: 34
    .
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Attention question! Where did these debris come from now ?!

    The question is different. If it is proved that Armenia used ISKANDER and without the difference M, or E, or Y, no difference, it will speak of direct intervention in the war by Armenia and their Krylov fable that they did not participate in the war, it will not cost a penny. But what will follow this is an interesting question. This is one side of the coin. The other side, they will find out if this is version M or not E, then the question will be who fired and why and how this weapon turned out (debris) on the territory of Karabakh. I am more than sure that the Azerbaijani authorities know the answer, Turkish Avaks already 100% know where they fired from. As I understand it, an international scandal is approaching and the tomato war and the issue of deportation (culturally speaking) of peacekeepers.
    1. figwam
      figwam April 13 2021 12: 07
      +4
      Quote: Patigorsk2020
      about direct intervention in the war by Armenia

      And that she had no right to interfere? Only Turkey can interfere?
      1. Patigorsk2020
        Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 12: 38
        -6
        Quote: figvam
        And that she had no right to interfere?

        It has, of course, but you don't have to lie that others are fighting in Karabakh, but not Armenia. Because for such a RIGHT, then Armenia will have to answer and according to the rules of the CSTO they have no right to interfere, but then the Armenians will be hurt not only in Karabakh but also in Armenia. In addition, if it turns out that this is not an EXPORT option, then the sanctions will not interfere with them. It smells like the Hague there. That is the question. Every day in Karabakh, military journalists, diplomats, attachés, do you think they are just taking them there for a walk? The concert will be ahead. Courts, compensation, and maybe the Hague.
        1. figwam
          figwam April 13 2021 12: 48
          +3
          Quote: Patigorsk2020
          Has of course, just don't lie

          So Turkey is lying that it did not interfere, they controlled the Bayraktar, they transferred the F-16, so Turkey will have to answer.
          1. Patigorsk2020
            Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 13: 35
            -7
            Quote: figvam
            So Turkey is lying that it did not interfere, they ruled the Bayraktar

            Is there at least one fact that the drones were controlled by the Turks? I personally can show you how the Azerbaijani operators manage Bayrakt, even the video is like a missile was let through the hatch of the tank. You should at least know where and how many Azerbaijani soldiers to study.

            Quote: figvam
            F-16 they transferred

            I admit it. It's true!
          2. ironic
            ironic April 13 2021 14: 03
            -4
            So let each one answer for the corresponding profile question.
        2. icant007
          icant007 April 14 2021 12: 01
          -1
          Quote: Patigorsk2020
          It has, of course, but you don't have to lie that others are fighting in Karabakh, but not Armenia.


          Well, you can not pay attention to this lie at all. )))
          Karabakh Armenians can be presidents of Armenia, and Armenian Armenians in Karabakh cannot fight)
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 13 2021 12: 27
      +5
      Quote: Patigorsk2020
      Turkish Avaks already 100% know where they fired from

      5 months did not know, and suddenly saw the light? Did you show the films?
      1. Patigorsk2020
        Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 13: 04
        -6
        Quote: Piramidon
        5 months did not know, and suddenly saw the light? Did you show the films?

        and you did not think that before you blame someone you need to check everything in detail? you will have to answer for false accusations, especially before Russia.
    3. Okolotochny
      Okolotochny April 13 2021 12: 32
      +6
      As I understand it, an international scandal is approaching and the tomato war and the issue of deportation (culturally speaking) of peacekeepers.

      Do you dream so much that the Caspian Flotilla will shoot at Baku?
      1. Patigorsk2020
        Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 13: 05
        -5
        Quote: Okolotochny
        Do you dream so much that the Caspian Flotilla will shoot at Baku?

        I'm not even going to answer this nonsense.
      2. ironic
        ironic April 13 2021 13: 31
        -4
        Why not Dombrov at once?
      3. Yujanin
        Yujanin April 13 2021 13: 54
        -6

        Do you dream so much that the Caspian Flotilla will shoot at Baku?

        It seems to me that we will not see the Caspian flotilla in the Caspian for a long time.
    4. ironic
      ironic April 13 2021 13: 29
      -4
      In fact, there is a difference whether it is E or M.
    5. ANB
      ANB April 13 2021 13: 33
      +3
      ... the issue of deportation (culturally speaking) of peacekeepers.

      The question of the deportation of the merchants will also be raised. Does Aliyev need it?
      Showdown with Armenia is one thing, but with Russia is quite another.
    6. Old tanker
      Old tanker April 13 2021 18: 31
      0
      Turkish Avaks already 100% know where they fired from.

      And why are they still silent, if they know everything for sure?
  • knn54
    knn54 April 13 2021 11: 35
    +6
    - No reply received from abroad.
    Who exactly was asked the question?
    1. Cheldon
      Cheldon April 13 2021 13: 06
      +2
      Quote: knn54
      - No reply received from abroad.
      Who exactly was asked the question?

      For a journalist laughing We now have a new rubric: what did Aliyev ask? wink
  • Yujanin
    Yujanin April 13 2021 11: 39
    -8

    Attention question! Where did these debris come from now ?!

    The fact that Baku has not yet demonstrated proof does not mean that there were no debris. Moreover, there is also a fixation of the launches of all ballistic launches in Azerbaijan. Today Aliyev hinted about it.

    Aliyev: I discussed with Putin information about the discovery of Iskander-M missiles in Karabakh.

    "I asked the question because the Azerbaijani people want to know the truth. Our defense minister also wrote an official letter to his Russian counterpart. 9 days have passed but there is no answer", - said Aliyev during his speech at the ADA University.
    t.me/military_az
    1. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 April 13 2021 11: 49
      +8
      Somewhere the same pictures have already been shown! The bomb that didn’t explode lay on the bed, without breaking the bed. And then the rocket pierced the table, obviously civilian, without breaking it. Somehow a familiar director of the FSE did
      1. Yujanin
        Yujanin April 13 2021 12: 33
        -7

        Somewhere the same pictures have already been shown! The bomb that didn’t explode lay on the bed, without breaking the bed. And then the rocket pierced the table, obviously civilian, without breaking it. Somehow a familiar director of the FSE did

        Very good. In this case, why is the leadership of the Russian Federation silent?
        But because Azerbaijan has all the means of monitoring (up to satellites), with the help of which, if desired, it can prove the use of tactical missiles from the Russian side. Even the wreckage is not needed.
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty April 13 2021 11: 59
      0
      Judian - Is the IskanderM wreckage found there? After such a lie, there is nothing to talk about with you! Why is your beloved Elham silent about our downed helicopter? ????
      1. Patigorsk2020
        Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 12: 43
        -4
        Quote: Thrifty
        Judian - Is the IskanderM wreckage found there?

        Not Judian, but Southerner) the main thing here is not as Iskander's version, but who fired. Who admits it.
        1. ironic
          ironic April 13 2021 13: 32
          -1
          Well, I wouldn't say the version doesn't matter.
        2. Yujanin
          Yujanin April 13 2021 13: 58
          -5

          Not Judian, but Southerner)

          It looks funny when an adult is played with letters.
      2. Yujanin
        Yujanin April 13 2021 14: 04
        -3

        IskanderM's wreckage was found there? After such a lie, there is nothing to talk about with you! Why is your beloved Elham silent about our downed helicopter? ????

        This is not a lie at all

        The issue of the detection of missile complexes in Karabakh Iskander-M is being discussed by the military, Dmitry Peskov, the press secretary of the Russian president, told reporters on Tuesday.

        "The military is engaged in a close dialogue, during which all relevant issues are discussed," Peskov said, answering the question whether they received Aliyev's letter in the Kremlin and whether this topic was really discussed during the telephone conversation between the two presidents.
        @SputnikArmenia
  • anjey
    anjey April 13 2021 12: 06
    +6
    Apparently, the Turks drove from Syria ... There, it is for sure that ours were used for pro-Turkish greenery and illegal oil refining ...
    1. ironic
      ironic April 13 2021 14: 01
      -3
      You can try to install it. If the serial numbers of the products are visible, this should be easy.
      1. anjey
        anjey April 13 2021 17: 34
        0
        The other side does not need the truth, they are interested in the stuffing of false information.
        1. ironic
          ironic April 14 2021 12: 01
          -1
          Who found this out? Why does he need to believe?
  • letinant
    letinant April 13 2021 12: 35
    -1
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Perhaps, the topic was not raised immediately for the reason that the fragments of the Iskander-M missile were not at the disposal of the Azerbaijani army at that time ...
    Attention question! Where did these debris come from now ?!

    The question is different, the Iskander-M missile was shown only in the TPK, from where they know what it looks like. At a specialized forum, in the wreckage, which is presented as "Iskander-m", knowledgeable people identified parts of the S-125 missiles and convincingly proved this. That is why ours are silent, this is a question !?
    1. ironic
      ironic April 14 2021 12: 02
      -3
      The C-125 does not even come close to looking like Iskander and its warhead, either. This is unprovable. Do not make up fables.
      1. letinant
        letinant April 14 2021 12: 04
        0
        Quote: ironic
        The C-125 does not even come close to looking like Iskander and its warhead, either. This is unprovable. Do not make up fables.

        About that and speech, to give out the C-125, it is tantamount to cram in something unproductive.
        1. ironic
          ironic April 14 2021 12: 37
          -2
          Exactly what is shown here in the photographs and is not close to the C-125.
          1. letinant
            letinant April 14 2021 12: 57
            0
            Quote: ironic
            Exactly what is shown here in the photographs and is not close to the C-125.

            On the top photo, it is impossible to identify something at all, on the bottom one, something from the MLRS can be seen by the stabilizers. There are no photographs at all with the wreckage which they present as Iskander-M.
            1. ironic
              ironic April 16 2021 01: 15
              0
              Are you an expert? Can you assert that you are not mistaken? And if you are wrong, what then?
  • Simfy
    Simfy April 13 2021 13: 07
    +1
    Turks from Syria could have brought the wreckage
  • ironic
    ironic April 13 2021 14: 04
    -3
    A very good question. It would be interesting to know where they came from and who was shooting with what was before the state of wreckage.
    1. icant007
      icant007 April 14 2021 12: 24
      0
      Quote: ironic
      A very good question. It would be interesting to know where they came from and who was shooting with what was before the state of wreckage.


      Everything is simple. They took a rocket and brought it to Shusha. Sawed to the level of the debris. And then they reported to Pashinyan that Iskander exploded by only 10 percent. The rest was sold for scrap. )

      And it was just a business idea of ​​some warrant officer from the RAV Voor service. forces of Armenia.)
      1. ironic
        ironic April 14 2021 12: 36
        -1
        It is such a theory, someone is required to prove its implementation in practice.
  • venik
    venik April 13 2021 14: 57
    +3
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Attention question! Where did these debris come from now ?!

    =======
    Yes, wherever they came from (even from Georgia, where "Iskander" seemed to be used) - the question is in another: How is this "smart guy" Ilham managed to identify over the wreckage missiles that this one belonged to the complex Iskander-M??? Moreover, "Iskander-M" IS NOT SUPPLIED for export, from the word AT ALL!
    An export version of Iskander-E was delivered to Armenia, which uses the same missiles 9М723 (cruise missiles 9М728 and even more so 9М729 were delivered to Armenia by NOBODY!).
    The only difference between Iskander-M and Iskander-E is by no means not in rockets! The main difference is in the on-board computer of the complex: in the export version, it issues a flight task to a rocket at a distance of NO MORE 280 km! It is JUST IMPORTANT to launch a rocket at a long range! The on-board computer will simply ignore such a task, and if an attempt is made to "hack" it, it will simply lock the system tightly, deleting the key programs!
    Well these are imbitsyly these military advisers Ilhama! (He doesn't seem to be stupid himself!) .....
    Or is it all a sheer PROVOCATION? request
    1. alexmach
      alexmach April 13 2021 16: 38
      +2
      The only difference between Iskander-M and Iskander-E is not missiles! The main difference is in the on-board computer of the complex:

      It is generally reported that the fuel mixtures may differ.
      These are Ilham's military advisers who are so imbecile! (He doesn't seem to be stupid himself!) .....
      Or is it all a sheer PROVOCATION? request

      Rather, the other way. They clearly want something that they do not speak about in plain text.
      1. venik
        venik April 13 2021 17: 53
        +2
        Quote: alexmach
        It is generally reported that the fuel mixtures may differ.

        =======
        It is quite possible .... Although "fence the garden" for the sake of a couple of dozen missiles for 4 "guns", breaking the waste technology .... This is a troublesome business, it is not worth it!
        Another thing is software and hardware - it needs to be changed anyway (no "friends" should know true possibilities of this complex!).
        ----------
        Quote: alexmach
        Rather, the other way. They clearly want something that they do not speak about in plain text.

        =======
        I also tend to this! drinks
    2. ironic
      ironic April 14 2021 12: 03
      -2
      There is a difference in missiles and warheads.
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  • figwam
    figwam April 13 2021 10: 59
    +3
    Did the Armenian army take part in the war? In my opinion, only Karabakh fought.
    1. Patigorsk2020
      Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 11: 39
      .
      Quote: figvam
      Did the Armenian army take part in the war? In my opinion, only Karabakh fought.

      The Armenians feed the whole world with these noodles. Everybody thinks what other, ancient and long-suffering people are living there. You at least open Google and see what population of Karabakh (among Armenians) there are not even 150K. Subtract children, women, old people and from what remains you want to say fought with the Azerbaijani army?))))))))))))) Don't write disinformation here.
    2. alexmach
      alexmach April 13 2021 11: 43
      +1
      There is a video of some missile launches. Moreover, the same rams that launched and merged.
      There is also information about the interception of ballistic missiles. This is clearly not an NKR weapon.
      1. Patigorsk2020
        Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 11: 58
        -9
        Quote: alexmach
        There is also information about the interception of ballistic missiles. This is clearly not an NKR weapon.

        This is the whole problem. As soon as it is established who fired, the bazaar will begin immediately.
        1. ANB
          ANB April 13 2021 13: 36
          +1
          ... the bazaar will start immediately

          And when did it stop?
      2. venik
        venik April 13 2021 16: 20
        +2
        Quote: alexmach
        There is a video of some missile launches. Moreover, the same rams that launched and merged.
        There is also information about the interception of ballistic missiles. This is clearly not an NKR weapon.

        ========
        Point by point:
        1) - The NKR Defense Army had a certain number of OTRK 9K72 "Elbrus" (exactly how much is unknown (but a little - maybe a couple of three) ...
        2) - Several launches of 9M17 missiles of the "Elbrus" complex from the territory of the NKR were recorded!
        3) - no reliable data not only about the interception of ballistic missiles, but also about the use of missile defense systems by Azerbaijan, in general - simply NO !!!
        For sim: hi
        1. alexmach
          alexmach April 13 2021 16: 35
          0
          1) - The NKR Defense Army had a certain number of OTRK 9K72 "Elbrus" (exactly how much is unknown (but a little - maybe a couple of three) ...

          In the video, 2 missiles are launched from one launcher and have a very characteristic appearance. This is not Elbrus. This is Iskander. That, in general, is quite logical. It is not entirely clear where they were shooting, the meaning would have been at the airfields in the first place.
          3) - no reliable data not only about the interception of ballistic missiles, but also about the use of missile defense systems by Azerbaijan, in general - simply NO !!!

          Hello, what about the remnants of the S-300 missile that fell on the territory of Dagestan? Yes, there really is no information about the interception of ballistic missiles, but what else could they have fired at?
          1. venik
            venik April 13 2021 17: 34
            0
            Let's start from the end:
            Quote: alexmach
            Hello, what about the remnants of the S-300 missile that fell on the territory of Dagestan?

            =========
            Are you sure it was exactly 48H6? Information, as far as I remember, was that somewhere in the holes the shepherds found fragments of something (like a rocket) and a hefty funnel ...
            a) - it is not known (at least at that time) WHAT was it?
            b) - it is not known - WHEN did she fall there? (the area is deserted);
            c) - it is not known WHY the funnel was formed?
            The latter is very embarrassing! After all, if it was a missile defense system, then in case of a miss, it self-destructs by transferring it to a vertical climb and detonating the warhead. Only small fragments are poured onto the ground, and there are certainly no funnels left! Believe it! And of course, Azerbaijan completely denies the use of the S-300PMU-2 air defense missile system, by the way, like Armenia, the use of Iskander missiles!
            That is why I wrote: "... absent RELIABLE (!!!)data...".
            ------------
            Quote: alexmach
            In the video, 2 missiles are launched from one launcher and have a very characteristic appearance. This is not Elbrus.

            ========
            Quite possible! True, we do not know WHEN and BY WHOM, and most importantly - WHERE this filming was made ... ... I have not seen this video, but there is a hint: our Iskanders are usually dark green, and the Armenian ones have a characteristic camouflage:

            Try to compare! hi
            1. alexmach
              alexmach April 13 2021 18: 12
              +1
              a) - it is not known (at least at that time) WHAT was it?
              b) - it is not known - WHEN did she fall there? (the area is deserted);
              c) - it is not known WHY the funnel was formed?

              Yeah .. we just know they went looking after the sound of the explosion.
              And of course, Azerbaijan completely denies the use of the S-300PMU-2 air defense missile system, by the way, like Armenia, the use of Iskander missiles!
              That is why I wrote: "... there is no RELIABLE (!!!) data ...".

              Nothing is really clear here. Neither why have both sides still denied something, nor why have they suddenly begun to peddle this issue. What and for whom it matters is also not clear yet.
              Azerbaijan wants to establish participation in the conflict of Armenia? So this is the "open secret". This should be obvious in terms of losses as well. A significant part of these dead, as I understand it, are still on the territory controlled by Azerbaijan, or else they were exported from there under its control ...
              Azerbaijan wants a quarrel with Russia and attracts its participation in the conflict? Well, let him try. Probably feeling dissatisfied with the established satus quo? Or did you never receive the promised corridor to Nakhichevan? But the traffic intersection there must be pushed in one way or another. It is not clear what they are doing.
              I haven't seen this video,

              Yes, here, in the comments above ... In the same place, knowing the language, you can make out what they say ... In my opinion, the word "azerbaijani" sounds there clearly several times, but of course I do not speak Armenian.
              1. venik
                venik April 13 2021 19: 01
                +1
                Quote: alexmach
                Azerbaijan wants to establish participation in the conflict of Armenia?

                Quote: alexmach
                Azerbaijan wants a quarrel with Russia and attracts its participation in the conflict? ........ felt dissatisfied with the established satus quo? Or did you never receive the promised corridor to Nakhichevan? ........ It is not clear what they are doing

                =======
                I myself am at a loss, Alexander! Nonsense! Well, with Armenia, it's understandable. But we are talking about Russia: after all, he stressed several times: "Iskander-M"! And this modification is only in the Russian army (among the Armenians -" Iskander-Э"). And this is already clear lunge! And after all, you can't name Aliyev's durakom, and he doesn't keep the likes of him around him .... It is completely incomprehensible for him to spoil relations with Russia, which he himself has been building for so long and painstakingly? "Podstvava" from the immediate environment? It is unlikely - although he is considered an intellectual "in velvet gloves," steel fists are hiding under these gloves! He will never forgive such a "set-up" to anyone - their heads will fly, that's the only way!
                What remains in the "bottom line"?
                Yes, only your assumptions that he is very dissatisfied with something and thus makes it clear about his dissatisfaction!
                drinks
                1. icant007
                  icant007 April 14 2021 12: 33
                  0
                  Quote: venik
                  And this is a clear attack! And after all, you can't name Aliyev's durakom and he doesn't keep the likes of him around him ...


                  Pure demonstration counting on Turkish approval.
                  I think this issue with the Iskanders is not worth a damn. And soon he will be forgotten just like Pashinyan's stupidity about 10 percent.
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    4. icant007
      icant007 April 14 2021 12: 30
      -1
      Quote: figvam
      Did the Armenian army take part in the war? In my opinion, only Karabakh fought


      They fought with people. But they didn't give me the technique. Actually, the Armenian Armenians do not really like the Karabkh Armenians. And vice versa. But this will not be said to the public.
  • Cananecat
    Cananecat April 13 2021 11: 02
    +7
    We bought non-ferrous metal from the landfill, now they will shout at every corner. The question is why? Could it be to hush up the helicopter case?
    1. WHAT IS
      WHAT IS April 13 2021 11: 08
      +10
      Exactly.
      The question of who, how and why shot down a Russian helicopter in the skies over Armenia, Ilham Aliyev, apparently, does not care.

      Dizziness from success with Aliyev.
      1. Cananecat
        Cananecat April 13 2021 11: 11
        +9
        There is no dizziness here ... here the Turks are manipulating, more than I am sure that they are the authors of the idea.
        Or ours will prove that these are the fragments of the Point or the special services will stand on their ears in order to find a leak from the landfill.
        1. Patigorsk2020
          Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 11: 41
          .
          Quote: Canecat
          Or ours will prove

          You are not looking for the answer there. The question is different. The Azerbaijani side wants to know who fired. If this is Armenia, it promises them big trouble, and if it is Russia, the tomato war and relations between Azerbaijan and Russia will deteriorate. And it is worth spoiling relations with Azerbaijan for the sake of the Armenians, that is the question.
          1. Vladimir61
            Vladimir61 April 13 2021 13: 06
            +2
            Quote: Patigorsk2020
            The question is different. The Azerbaijani side wants to know who fired.

            Well, maybe fired, someone, after admission to drink (Azerbaijani pea soup), could not resist. Why should we take tests?
            1. Patigorsk2020
              Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 13: 37
              -4
              Quote: Vladimir61
              someone, after taking piti (Azerbaijani pea soup)

              Do you like Petey?))) Well, not exactly pea soup. Eat a real Sheki Piti.
      2. Yujanin
        Yujanin April 13 2021 11: 30
        .

        Dizziness from success with Aliyev.

        Most likely, the Russian Federation does not fulfill the 4th clause of the agreement of November 9th.
        Armenian troops are still in Karabakh. As a matter of fact, for this reason, Baku has a question about the participation of the Russian Federation in the Karabakh conflict. For when finding out its participation, the Russian Federation, as the co-chair of the Minsk Group, may lose its mandate for a peacekeeping mission in Karabakh, issued by the OSCE Security Council at the 1992 Budapest summit.
        1. Thrifty
          Thrifty April 13 2021 12: 33
          +2
          Zhdulian, so what about your criminals who shot down our helicopter?
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  • Humpty
    Humpty April 13 2021 11: 17
    +7
    Apparently, the Azerbaijani president is still firmly stuck with personal belongings in the Turkish door gap. I myself can collect all sorts of debris and present it for viewing, just give me time. Here are the fragments of half-ton Soviet aerial bombs of the forties, the wreckage of helicopters, you can find some uncleared rivet from a crashed American military plane, and then bring it somewhere and sing - where did it come from!
    A cheap circus was started by azz-ts.
  • Valerikk
    Valerikk April 13 2021 11: 23
    +7
    It is indicated in Azerbaijan that “the next day after the question about the use of Iskander-M missiles, no response was received from abroad”

    Wow, the whole day has already passed, and no one (and first of all, apparently, Russia) rushed out of fear to write an explanatory note.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 13 2021 13: 59
      -2
      Is it fear? Or was this the case?
  • iouris
    iouris April 13 2021 11: 26
    +10
    It's just that Aliyev goes into conflict: he and the Sultan need it for some reason. After the fight, he waves his fists or another fight is planned. We will see.
    1. Patigorsk2020
      Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 11: 48
      .
      Quote: iouris
      It's just that Aliyev goes into conflict

      That is why Aliyev should spoil relations with Russia when his daughter just a couple of days ago in Moscow kindergartens arranged (at the expense of Azerbaijan) an event for children. How many schools and dessadas have been repaired in you. Do you really think that he will go against Russia? But if it turns out that Russia has fired, then it will be a disaster for the relations of these countries.

      Quote: iouris
      After a fight, he waves his fists

      Have you tried looking far into the future? Didn't you think that if it was Armenia fired for this they would be responsible? Which plays into the hands of Azerbaijan (in Armenia everyone is singing about revenge) and this will be an excellent reason to cool their heads.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr April 13 2021 12: 40
        +2
        Quote: Patigorsk2020
        But if it turns out that Russia has fired, then it will be a disaster for the relations of these countries.

        In fact, for a long time we do not care about your country and those with whom you fought - you got all of us with your shit, which you want to hang on us, forgetting that we can endure for a long time, and then return all your citizens to you, to ensure the prosperity of your "proud" republic.
        Erdogan told us how to deal with refugees, so we will think about how to return your citizens to you, if your president is fiddling around.
        1. Patigorsk2020
          Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 19: 03
          -1
          Quote: ccsr
          In fact, for a long time we do not care about your country and those with whom you fought

          Oh, disingenuous ... still being disingenuous. If you didn’t care, the peacekeepers wouldn’t be in Karabakh.

          Quote: ccsr
          Erdogan told us how to deal with refugees, so we will think about how to return your citizens to you, if your president is fiddling around.

          Do you understand, I hope that the 3rd community in Azerbaijan is Russian, you don’t think about them?
          1. ccsr
            ccsr April 13 2021 19: 33
            0
            Quote: Patigorsk2020
            If you didn’t care, the peacekeepers wouldn’t be in Karabakh.

            If I had decided, then our troops would definitely not have appeared there. I simply said that I would strike a blow at Baku and Yerevan if you do not sit down at the negotiating table and peacefully resolve territorial disputes.
            Quote: Patigorsk2020
            Do you understand, I hope that the 3rd community in Azerbaijan is Russian, you don’t think about them?

            I think it's time for them to return to their historical homeland, as Jews around the world do, and we will gladly accept them, we need Russian people, not Azerbaijani merchants.
      2. iouris
        iouris April 13 2021 12: 57
        +3
        You are a propagandist, and I am an independent observer and (to the best of my ability) an analyst.
        Aliyev's daughter in Moscow and her investments - separately, the real political course of Aliyev - separately.
        By the way, Moscow is not a "third world" country for you. The question of the origin of money also matters. The Azerbaijani "diaspora" in Moscow (like the Armenian one) should know their place and not get involved in politics and the internal politics of the Russian Federation.
      3. alexmach
        alexmach April 13 2021 13: 20
        +1
        How many schools and dessadas have been repaired in you.

        What kindergartens and schools have you repaired and at whom? Storytellers.
        1. Patigorsk2020
          Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 13: 44
          -3
          Quote: alexmach
          What kindergartens and schools have you repaired and at whom? Storytellers.

          Ungrateful liar!

          Heydar Aliyev Foundation holds charity event for children in Moscow (photo)
          https://moscow-baku.ru/news/society/fond_geydara_alieva_provel_blagotvoritelnuyu_aktsiyu_dlya_detey_v_moskve/

          In 2013, the Heydar Aliyev Foundation overhauled the building of secondary school number 78 in Ulyanovsk.
          http://education.simcat.ru/school78/museum/269

          Monument to Prince Vladimir for the anniversary of Astrakhan
          For the 1025th anniversary of the baptism of Rus and the 455th anniversary of the founding of Astrakhan, a four-meter monument was erected in this Russian city on the square in front of the Church of St. Vladimir - a monument to Prince Vladimir. With the support of the Heydar Aliyev Foundation, the Azerbaijan-Russia Friendship Bridge was also built in Astrakhan.
          https://www.astrobl.ru/news/68117

          This is only a part!
          1. alexmach
            alexmach April 13 2021 13: 52
            +1
            On three links I saw one renovated school in Ulyanovsk, named after Aliyev the elder.
          2. ccsr
            ccsr April 13 2021 14: 51
            +3
            Quote: Patigorsk2020
            This is only a part!

            If all Azerbaijanis were expelled from the markets, the drug trade in Moscow would have dropped several times:
            the widely cited report of the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy (CFDP) argues that "Azerbaijanis are the main force in the drug market in many areas. In Moscow and the Moscow region, they control one hundred percent of the heroin and methadone trade, as well as a significant part of the marijuana market.".

            So we do not need your handouts, it is much more important for us to get rid of drug dealers in Russia, and for this we need to defeat Azerbaijani criminal groups and expel them from our markets.
            1. Humpty
              Humpty April 13 2021 17: 43
              0
              Quote: ccsr
              If all Azerbaijanis were expelled from the markets, the drug trade in Moscow would have dropped several times:
              A widely cited report by the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy (CFDP) argues that "Azerbaijanis are the main force in the drug market in many areas. In Moscow and the Moscow region, they control one hundred percent of the heroin and methadone trade, as well as a significant part of the marijuana market."

              So we do not need your handouts, it is much more important for us to get rid of drug dealers in Russia, and for this we need to defeat Azerbaijani criminal groups and expel them from our markets.

              Nobody else on VO has so openly covered the basic idea of ​​"Turan". hi
    2. figwam
      figwam April 13 2021 12: 17
      0
      Quote: iouris
      It's just that Aliyev goes into conflict: he and the Sultan need it for some reason.

      The Sultan wants to expand his empire further, we are already familiar with his Wishlist.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 13 2021 11: 27
    +8
    The euphoria of victory sometimes fogs the mind. A few months later, some debris appears and a question is asked to Russia (without naming it) where? Probably from where the drones come from, tk. only Turkey could have prompted such provocative statements.
    We have dispelled the myth about the invincibility of the Armenians.
    Apparently, somewhere in the depths, there is a desire to dispel the myth about the invincibility of Russia? Is it necessary to distinguish between the banks at least a little, or are hearing and sight lost under the sound of a Turkish pipe?
    1. Patigorsk2020
      Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 11: 49
      .
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The euphoria of victory sometimes fogs the mind.

      think too narrowly.
      1. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 April 13 2021 13: 10
        +2
        Quote: Patigorsk2020
        think too narrowly.

        "Broad" thinking, this is the outlook, but "narrow", is observed exclusively in professionals!
    2. alexmach
      alexmach April 13 2021 13: 23
      +1
      The euphoria of victory sometimes fogs the mind

      No, there is no fog there. Behind this, for sure, as other comments write, there is some kind of calculation. He started some kind of game. What is this phrase worth "did not receive an answer from abroad". Because of what specific border do you expect an answer?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 13 2021 11: 27
    -1
    Bare are measured by wishes, but ordinary people always suffer ...
  • JD1979
    JD1979 April 13 2021 11: 42
    +1
    Silly question ... Where from? Bought! Like Aliyev himself, he bought weapons from everyone who was ready to sell him. Another thing is that the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, to put it mildly, got into a puddle with its comments about the Armenian Iskander. And now the only way to save face is to be silent, because any comment will mean that MO RO had lied before.
  • Klingon
    Klingon April 13 2021 11: 56
    +5
    I didn't understand something, at the end of the hot phase, when Pashinyan blurted out about the 10% effectiveness of Iskander missiles, Aliyev shouted that the Armenians did not use Iskander? The dude is not responsible for his bazaar already? I see he was there in general swollen against the background of courage from the "victory" and the support of the Sultan. two-faced Jackalie! It's time for our Foreign Ministry to put it in its place and show it where it is.
  • yfast
    yfast April 13 2021 11: 57
    +7
    Quote: Patigorsk2020
    Quote: Canecat
    Or ours will prove

    You are not looking for the answer there.

    And you don't live there.
    The Azerbaijani side wants to know who fired. If this is Armenia, it promises them big trouble, and if it is Russia, the tomato war and relations between Azerbaijan and Russia will deteriorate. And it is worth spoiling relations with Azerbaijan for the sake of the Armenians, that is the question.
    And what does the Azerbaijani side want? To prove that Russia took part in the war? - it would be seen very strongly. To prove that Armenia took part in the war? -Of course, not shaky, not shaky. To prove that Turkey took part in the war? - they killed a hundred poods remotely, they learned in Syria. Well, it will prove all three positions, then what?
    1. Patigorsk2020
      Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 12: 50
      -5
      Quote: yfast
      To prove that Russia took part in the war? - it would be very evident.

      the fact that the Russian side indirectly participated is well known in Azerbaijan. Starting from ammunition and equipment, ending with mercenaries. All this Happiness in YouTube is full. The Azerbaijani side wants to know if this is the M-version, how the Armenians got it. This weapon is prohibited. If it was fired from the Gyumri base, then the Azerbaijani side, according to this step, will be "friends" with Russia and will know further steps and directions in the military-political aspect.

      Quote: yfast
      To prove that Armenia took part in the war? -Of course, not shaky, not shaky.

      I wouldn't say that. More than 5k graves in Yerevan.

      Quote: yfast
      Well, it will prove all three positions, then what?

      Then the show will begin. The only country on the territory of the Caucasus and Transcaucasia that did not burn the Russian flag and the Russian invader with posters is Azerbaijan. And Azerbaijan is far from Georgia or Armenia. It is worth spoiling relations with Azerbaijan, which is backed by 2 countries, and in the event of a conflict of 3 countries, they will definitely fit in. Do you need it? If so, good luck.
      1. yfast
        yfast April 13 2021 14: 56
        +1
        and during the cleaning work in Shusha, fragments of Iskander-M were found. The main difference between the export version of the missiles and the "M" modification is that their maximum flight range does not exceed 280 km.
        Why did you decide that M and not E, the range is written on the rocket or the serial numbers for M and E are known?
  • xorek
    xorek April 13 2021 11: 59
    0
    We have dispelled the myth about the invincibility of the Armenians.

    Thanks to Sorosyan -Pashinyan .. Well, okay ... I can smell you again being pushed on to another adventure by the Azerbaijanis? Or I'm wrong .. I do not advise! hi Don't make Russia angry .. soldier
    1. Patigorsk2020
      Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 12: 51
      -6
      Quote: xorek
      Don't make Russia angry ..

      Is it worth making the Turks angry for the sake of Armenians? If so, good luck.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner April 13 2021 12: 02
    +6
    The Turks drove, don't go to the fortuneteller. They got it hard from them in Syria. winked The holiday season in Turkey is covered with a copper basin, in Syria they have grabbed off, and the "friend" Zrdogan, with Aliyev's hands, decided to use an information trash not only for the Armenians, but for the Russian Federation.
    1. Patigorsk2020
      Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 12: 52
      -6
      Quote: Captive
      so the "friend" Zrdogan decided to use Aliyev's hands to make an information trash not so much to the Armenians as to arrange the Russian Federation.

      Do you think of a MGIMO graduate, the son of Heydar Aliyev, for the sixth?) In vain !!!!)))))))))
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 April 13 2021 12: 38
    -4
    Quote: figvam
    Did the Armenian army take part in the war? In my opinion, only Karabakh fought.

    Of course, only Nagorno-Karabakh fought in which 50 thousand inhabitants remained))) Do you perform in Armenian stand-up? And where do the several thousand killed citizens of Armenia come from on the website of the Ministry of Defense of Armenia? According to Armenian data, there are already at least 6 thousand people, the coordinator of the Nagorno-Karabakh Committee "Helsinki Initiative-92" Karen Aganjanyan writes about 8 thousand killed Armenian servicemen. Moreover, this nonsense about the "army of Nagorno-Karabakh" is spread exclusively by Russian resources. Not a single Armenian resource wrote this nonsense, apparently they write for an internal audience, and there it is no longer possible to lie.
    All prisoners in Azerbaijan (Armenia speaks of hundreds of people) are exclusively citizens of Armenia. Why are there mass rallies of prisoners' parents in Yerevan demanding the return of their sons, while the Armenian army did not fight?) And why did Serzh Sargsyan say on the Armnew TV channel: That the turning point of the situation is not made by unprepared counteroffensive. So Armenia lost the best reserve brigades, trying to surround the Azerbaijani military. "It turns out interesting)
    Here is an article by the Military Review itself with a statement from the former Prime Minister of Armenia:
    "Former Prime Minister of Armenia: 80 percent of our army is not - this is a rout."
    https://topwar.ru/177468-jeks-premer-armenii-80-procentov-nashej-armii-net-jeto-razgrom.html#comment-id-10999109
    It turns out that someone is lying here, or the former leaders of Armenia or you. I wonder if someone could be? repeat
  • sleeve
    sleeve April 13 2021 12: 42
    +1
    I don’t understand what is boron cheese? The Armenians officially have Iskander. Like, the Armenians did not shoot, but there are debris? So it seems that Pashinyans mentioned “non-explosives” about Iskander. What kind of nonsense is that? In what presenting? For the second day already ...
    1. ironic
      ironic April 13 2021 13: 33
      -3
      Iskander-M officially? From then it will fly.
      1. sleeve
        sleeve April 14 2021 05: 43
        0
        Oh, that's what. The difference between "E" and "M"? The intrigue, as I understood it, was that the Armenians did not smack, but there were fragments. Here is the old eastern "Who Shot"? Who incites Aliyev to openly provoke, what happened to his head then?
        1. ironic
          ironic April 14 2021 11: 27
          -2
          So the question is rather how it turned out that the one who fired had a non-export weapon?
  • Nirvanko
    Nirvanko April 13 2021 14: 32
    -5
    The Kremlin "leader" leaked Karabakh after the downed Mi-24. Azerbaijan and Turkey will not stop and will squeeze Armenia.
    It can be said that Russia's position in the Transcaucasus was successfully lost. How Ukraine was and was lost. This is the kind of leader of Russia he is.
    1. sleeve
      sleeve April 14 2021 12: 46
      0
      Where is the "rzhu-I can not" emoticon? How did you all "this" and where did you see it?))
      In general, of course, it's funny and interesting what kind of carnival is being promoted. The rubbish from the hut that Aliyev suffered is not simple rubbish. First, it shows that Aliyev is on some super short leash, because the results are more than risky when looking at the trade turnover. Secondly, it turns out that the fuss around Karabakh continues to be serious and it was necessary to get out this (stupid statement with difficulty finding an explanation) in order to undermine what was already outlined in that region. Thirdly, it becomes interesting where the Azerbaijanis got the wreckage from. Options 1 and 2 have already been discussed. The "Syrian" variant speaks of some extremely "burning" situation for Erdogan. And there is further point by point. But in general, we'll sit and see.
  • Azimuth
    Azimuth April 14 2021 00: 03
    0
    Quote: alexmach
    You do not understand what you quoted.

    Iskander-E cannot carry a cassette warhead.


    Iskander-E. The simplification of the complex concerns the reduction of the range to 280 km and the delivery options do not include cluster warheads with self-aiming elements

    You shouldn't argue with your cognitive abilities.
    Warheads for M and E are different. So to establish the difference in labor should not be. What's wrong? It's like that

    All wrong. The cassette warhead shown in the photo with Aliyev is used in all modifications of Iskander, exactly the same cassette submunitions are used in Tornadoes, for example. Everything in your reasoning is wrong.

    Why are you breaking spears? ... Remember how our special forces were captured at the beginning of the Chechen war - in a day their equipment and weapons, down to the contents of pockets and personal belongings, were in Ankara and were studied not only by the Turks.
    The same is here, how to drink to give the wreckage and parts of the rocket were identified and studied not by the Azerbaijanis themselves, and most likely not even by the Turks.
    Without strong confidence, and support close to incitement or pressure, such as Aliyev would not have dared to open his mouth. It is necessary to objectively assess its value, but he is just a pygmy in the political dimension, an ordinary stolen watermelon to which the West has many questions after scandals with bribes to MEPs, money laundering, transportation of weapons to Syrian militants, murders of journalists, etc. So now it is serving the guarantees of its integrity.
    The issue of Iskander-M is wrong to be viewed in the context of some movements around Karabakh or Azerbaijani politics, most likely another provocation is being prepared against us, and how sanctions work. And here Aliyev is no one to call him, these are the affairs of more powerful forces.
  • DMi
    DMi April 14 2021 19: 31
    0
    How can Azerbaijan know what the wreckage of the Iskander looks like, if not a single military man of this country with this missile system even stood nearby?
  • abrakadabre
    abrakadabre April 15 2021 08: 49
    0
    And the next day after the question about the use of Iskander-M missiles, no response was received from abroad.
    With what fear should Russia urgently answer the questions casually uttered in a TV interview? Let them send an official request through the Foreign Ministry. With the indication of the serial numbers of the wreckage. And they are waiting for an answer in a timely manner. If you really need it. So they won't ask. For everyone knows everything without these cheap body movements on the camera.
  • sawic1
    sawic1 April 16 2021 19: 20
    0
    Apparently, there was simply no such wreckage before, but now the Turks from Syria have driven it for loud statements