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The American edition doubted the return of the cruiser "Admiral Nakhimov" to the Russian Navy

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The Russian heavy nuclear-powered missile cruiser Admiral Nakhimov is "more likely dead than alive." The American edition of The National Interest came to this conclusion, doubting the return of the ship to the Naval fleet Russia.



The author of an article published in an American magazine, analyzing the reasons for the delay in the repair of the cruiser and the failure of the ship's delivery date to the Russian fleet, said that "Admiral Nakhimov" is "already dead" and "rests in peace." He drew attention to the fact that the repair of the ship began in 2013 and the cruiser was originally supposed to be handed over to the fleet in 2018, but then they were moved to the right, right up to 2022. Now these terms have also been disrupted, as the Russians say, "through the fault of the suppliers."

The article emphasizes that the specific reasons for the delay in the delivery of the ship are unknown.

Earlier, the shift in the delivery date of the ship to 2023 was confirmed by a source in the Russian defense industry, who said that the Sevmash, where the Admiral Nakhimov was being repaired, had been let down by the suppliers.

At the end of last year, Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Alexei Krivoruchko said that the transfer of the modernized TARKR "Admiral Nakhimov" to the Russian Navy is scheduled for the end of 2022. He noted that work on the ship is proceeding according to schedule, the military department has fully financed the repair.

The ship has been under repair at Sevmash since the 1999 year, modernization work began only in the 2013 year.
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  1. hirurg
    hirurg April 13 2021 06: 58
    +19
    But with the Zamvolts everything is in order.
    1. letinant
      letinant April 13 2021 07: 17
      +15
      Quote: hirurg
      But with the Zamvolts everything is in order.

      Let him write about the F-35, because these are already "combat" aircraft ?! I agree about the Zamvolt, I will add my fly in the ointment, the literal ships Liberty and Independance. Is all this already in service?
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer April 13 2021 11: 49
        -4
        If we compare the cost of "Nakhimov" and mattress scrap metal, who will remain in +?))))
        1. letinant
          letinant April 13 2021 12: 43
          +4
          Quote: TermNachTER
          If we compare the cost of "Nakhimov" and mattress scrap metal, who will remain in +?))))

          The price of "Zumwalt" is $ 4 billion (transfer and get 280 billion rubles), while the ship, without weapons, both artillery and missile.
          The cost of overhaul "Nakhimov" with modernization 50 billion. rub.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer April 26 2021 12: 37
            0
            Actually, I read somewhere that its price tag has already passed 5 lard. For this money, you can still capitalize "Petrukha", "Kuzya", something else and still will remain.
      2. ironic
        ironic April 14 2021 11: 26
        0
        The F-35A is mostly combat. Olt has already eaten away his own and now he will only give away as an ultra-modern platform on which advanced technologies are being worked out. Littoral ships are being re-equipped with anti-ship missiles and continue to be built for both projects. They will work out their niche. Moreover, the Russian Federation would not refuse to have such a speed of delivery for its corvettes, but it does not work out. What's wrong? It's like that.
        1. letinant
          letinant April 14 2021 12: 03
          +1
          Quote: ironic
          The F-35A is mostly combat. Olt has already eaten away his own and now he will only give away as an ultra-modern platform on which advanced technologies are being worked out. Littoral ships are being re-equipped with anti-ship missiles and continue to be built for both projects. They will work out their niche. Moreover, the Russian Federation would not refuse to have such a speed of delivery for its corvettes, but it does not work out. What's wrong? It's like that.

          What parallel universe do you live in ?! The Americans themselves are not ready to accept the F-35 as a combat aircraft, but for you it is a ready-made platform! Well, actually !!! Littoral ships, "Freedom", are written off due to the impossibility of eliminating a defect in the gearbox (design error), taken from the report of the US Navy to the Department of Defense (February 2021). "Independent", the ships cannot reach the calculated maximum speed, the reason is the problem of water-jet propulsion, the real speed does not exceed 20 knots at the calculated 45 knots, the report is the same.
          1. ironic
            ironic April 14 2021 12: 32
            +2
            ~ 70% of the released F-35A are on alert. 22 F-35Is are on alert in Israel, which has already been officially reported, including confirmed combat use. And what kind of universe you live in is your business. Only a few initial ships released according to an older scheme, the modernization of which turned out to be unproductive, are subject to decommissioning, all the rest are being modernized, retrofitted with launching anti-ship missiles and the production of series continues, both of which. Breakdowns have been eliminated. The Navy is going to order the 17th, 18th and 19th Freedom, respectively. The Independence series has been ordered to the end.
            1. letinant
              letinant April 14 2021 12: 52
              -2
              Quote: ironic
              ~ 70% of the released F-35A are on alert. 22 F-35Is are on alert in Israel, which has already been officially reported, including confirmed combat use. And what kind of universe you live in is your business. Only a few initial ships released according to an older scheme, the modernization of which turned out to be unproductive, are subject to decommissioning, all the rest are being modernized, retrofitted with launching anti-ship missiles and the production of series continues, both of which. Breakdowns have been eliminated. The Navy is going to order the 17th, 18th and 19th Freedom, respectively. The Independence series has been ordered to the end.

              For some reason, the US Air Force is alerting 35% of the planes and you are straight 70. Well, you are a liar wink
              1. ironic
                ironic April 14 2021 15: 45
                0
                It’s you twice a liar, first of all, you’re lying - last year the United States set the combat readiness of the released F-35A at 69%, lower rates for B and C, so they produced fewer. And secondly, you're lying that I'm a liar. negative
                1. 3danimal
                  3danimal April 14 2021 16: 10
                  +2
                  This is part of the myths spread about the F-35.
                  What is prohibitively expensive (not confirmed), clumsy (not confirmed, it is more maneuverable than the Su-27), terribly expensive to maintain (not confirmed by official data
                  https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/rates/fy2019/2019_b_c.pdf).
                  And, finally, that it has too little combat readiness at the moment.
                  smile
                  1. letinant
                    letinant April 14 2021 23: 05
                    +1
                    Quote: 3danimal
                    This is part of the myths spread about the F-35.
                    What is prohibitively expensive (not confirmed), clumsy (not confirmed, it is more maneuverable than the Su-27), terribly expensive to maintain (not confirmed by official data
                    https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/rates/fy2019/2019_b_c.pdf).
                    And, finally, that it has too little combat readiness at the moment.
                    smile

                    Where is it more maneuverable? The wing loading of the F-35 is 29% more than that of the SU-27, which is the main indicator! It can use afterburner only for a short time due to possible damage to the coating in the tail section. When maneuvering combat, the afterburner mode is the main one.
                    1. 3danimal
                      3danimal April 15 2021 00: 06
                      +3
                      https://youtu.be/MJLoW1ClNE0

                      F-35 can perform "Cobra" and turn 45 degrees per second. Despite the different wing loading.
                      More advanced wing mechanization and greater use of "twists" on the hull during maneuvers. The difference of 30 years (in time of creation) was not in vain.
                      For the Su-27 (without OVT) the maximum rate is 36 degrees per second.
                      It can use afterburner only for a short time due to possible damage to the coating in the tail section.

                      Children's diseases, solvable. The F-22 does not have such problems (by the way, its Max turning speed is 65-70 deg / s, due to the OVT, the glider and the wing mechanization).
                      The F-35 still has the advantage of being able to fly at 1,2M without afterburner for some time. With 4 AIM-120D and 2 AIM-9x in internal compartments.
                      For comparison, the serial Su-35 produces 1,1M, but without a missile suspension.
                      1. letinant
                        letinant April 15 2021 05: 26
                        0
                        Quote: 3danimal
                        https://youtu.be/MJLoW1ClNE0

                        F-35 can perform "Cobra" and turn 45 degrees per second. Despite the different wing loading.
                        More advanced wing mechanization and greater use of "twists" on the hull during maneuvers. The difference of 30 years (in time of creation) was not in vain.
                        For the Su-27 (without OVT) the maximum rate is 36 degrees per second.
                        It can use afterburner only for a short time due to possible damage to the coating in the tail section.

                        Children's diseases, solvable. The F-22 does not have such problems (by the way, its Max turning speed is 65-70 deg / s, due to the OVT, the glider and the wing mechanization).
                        The F-35 still has the advantage of being able to fly at 1,2M without afterburner for some time. With 4 AIM-120D and 2 AIM-9x in internal compartments.
                        For comparison, the serial Su-35 produces 1,1M, but without a missile suspension.

                        You do not suffocate all enumerating, the main thing in your narration "CAN", it means in the future. All his demonstration performances do not impress at all, timed his maneuvers, rather weak. Let's hope that even though you are invisible, you are completely sad. No, though! We saw him perfectly on the radar screen.
                      2. 3danimal
                        3danimal April 15 2021 07: 27
                        +1
                        WILL BE ABLE

                        I did not use this word.
                        timed his maneuvers, rather weak

                        Seriously? In performances, he flies at modes close to maximum, the time of a full turn (360 ') is 8 seconds, versus 10 seconds for the Su-27. MiG-29 (without OVT) can be even worse.
                        Weak .. in comparison with the Su-35m, which has engines with OVT?
                        Let's hope that even though invisible

                        It is hardly noticeable (stealth is not invisible) to a greater extent than the Su-57.
                        We saw him perfectly on the radar screen

                        Who are "we? From what distance?
                        Were Luneberg lenses on it?
                        You do not suffocate all enumerating

                        Objectivity is paramount.
                        I re-read a lot of myths (including here).
                      3. letinant
                        letinant April 15 2021 08: 07
                        -2
                        Quote: 3danimal
                        WILL BE ABLE

                        I did not use this word.
                        timed his maneuvers, rather weak

                        Seriously? In performances, he flies at modes close to maximum, the time of a full turn (360 ') is 8 seconds, versus 10 seconds for the Su-27. MiG-29 (without OVT) can be even worse.
                        Weak .. in comparison with the Su-35m, which has engines with OVT?
                        Let's hope that even though invisible

                        It is hardly noticeable (stealth is not invisible) to a greater extent than the Su-57.
                        We saw him perfectly on the radar screen

                        Who are "we? From what distance?
                        Were Luneberg lenses on it?
                        You do not suffocate all enumerating

                        Objectivity is paramount.
                        I re-read a lot of myths (including here).

                        Give a link where at least any aircraft makes a U-turn in 12 seconds. Full combat turn 360 degrees. SU-27, on old modifications of the AL-31F, did it in 22,5 seconds. Fanborough's official record. YOU ARE A LIAR !!! also not knowing aerodynamics. And about everything else, go to the contract in the air defense forces, get admission. And you will see and learn everything. All the best, I am bored with this dialogue.
                      4. 3danimal
                        3danimal April 15 2021 08: 31
                        +2
                        Watch the video where the F-35 makes a 135 'turn for 3 seconds.
                        This is not a complete reversal.
                        Please comment.
                        YOU ARE A LIAR !!!

                        How many emotions smile
                        Is this grief over a faded myth?
                        aerodynamic

                        Extrapolated the parameters of the mentioned 360 'reversal, not entirely correct, perhaps.
                        And about everything else, go to the contract in the air defense forces, get admission.

                        That is, you do not know anything, you wrote based on rumors (OBS) good
                        Enjoy your study (video with timing):
                        https://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=53186
                      5. ironic
                        ironic April 16 2021 01: 50
                        +1
                        All these pseudo-comparisons are worthless. The Su-35S is not capable of fighting at super cruise speeds without afterburner except at minimum altitudes. In this he loses not only the F-35A, but also the majority of modern European fighters. 0.5M turns are generally of no interest to anyone in modern combat, as are angles of attack. This is for the swifts. Dialogue is okay, but the results of the type of MiG-29, which is quite maneuverable in the opinion of experts, are known in battles.
                2. Kawado
                  Kawado April 17 2021 12: 42
                  0
                  Are you sure that the "trimmed" OVT on the F-22 works better than the full OVT on the Su-35?
                  Even with the mechanization of the wing of the f-22.
                  It’s a little hard to believe in it.
                3. 3danimal
                  3danimal April 17 2021 18: 32
                  -1
                  To increase the rate of turn in one plane, the OVT F-22 is more than enough.
                  We also remember the greater thrust-to-weight ratio of the latter and the ability to fly at a non-afterburner supersonic speed of 1,6M, all this with 8 missiles in the internal compartments (6 AIM-120D + 2 AIM-9x).
                  A new (in comparison with the Su-35, the development of the Su-27), an ambitious aircraft that has absorbed most of the technical solutions.
                  The result was its impressive characteristics and ... cost, more than 2 times more than that of the serial F-35A.
                  That did not stop the richest air forces in the world from ordering almost 200 pieces of F-22x.
                4. 3danimal
                  3danimal April 19 2021 08: 33
                  -1
                  Are you sure that the "trimmed" OVT on the F-22 works better than the full OVT on the Su-35?

                  An important point: on the Su-35 no all-aspect OVT. The nozzles are deflected out-up and down-in.
                5. Kawado
                  Kawado 24 May 2021 11: 02
                  0
                  You are probably confusing the AL-41F1S with the UVT on the Su-35 and the AL-31F engine on the Su-27 - Su-30.
          2. ironic
            ironic April 16 2021 01: 44
            +1
            The fact that from 0.8M to 1.2M acceleration and deceleration is almost better than the F-22, it has a controllable angle of attack of 50 tested degrees at speeds higher than 0.5-06M, which characterizes the Kuznetsov cobra performed by the Su-27 at 110 degrees. Damage to the coating during afterburner was found only in the version with a vertical fit. In maneuvering combat, the main mode of A is super cruise without afterburner up to a speed of 1.2M for up to 240 miles. The 1.2M is not considered a real supersonic, since the real one counts with the 1.25M, which caused discrepancies in the question of whether the F-35A has a super cruise. But the Su-35S can only develop 1.1M at low altitude without afterburner, unlike the universal 1.2M in the F-35A.
            The wing loading, which is often referred to, also takes into account the lower weight, respectively, with 50% fuel and four raktats, which in the Su-27 means almost empty weight.
            1. 3danimal
              3danimal April 17 2021 18: 44
              0
              But the Su-35S can only develop 1.1M at low altitude without afterburner, unlike the universal 1.2M in the F-35A.

              I have seen data that the Su-35 develops 1,1M without missile suspensions (or a maximum of 2 R-73 at the wingtips).
              This greatly depreciates this ability, again referring it to the "Swifts" smile
            2. ironic
              ironic April 18 2021 11: 52
              +1
              From what I was able to read about this in open sources, at high altitude it cannot exceed 1M.
  • figwam
    figwam April 13 2021 07: 49
    +5
    "Admiral Nakhimov" is "already dead" and "rests in peace."

    They are afraid that this ship will go to sea after modernization.
    1. Rzzz
      Rzzz April 13 2021 08: 04
      -12%
      We should be no less scared. Still, hundreds of our fellow citizens are serving there, and in what condition this ship is after such a long downtime, and an incomprehensible event called "repair" - we can only hope that it will hold out at least a little.
      1. letinant
        letinant April 13 2021 08: 57
        +4
        Quote: rzzz
        We should be no less scared. Still, hundreds of our fellow citizens are serving there, and in what condition this ship is after such a long downtime, and an incomprehensible event called "repair" - we can only hope that it will hold out at least a little.

        But get a job there and you will know everything.
        1. Rzzz
          Rzzz April 29 2021 19: 03
          0
          Quote: letinant
          you will know everything.

          I will not be able to work there for a long time, I will run away in horror.
    2. ironic
      ironic April 13 2021 17: 40
      +3
      One? Very scary. Do you even believe in what you write?
      1. figwam
        figwam April 14 2021 13: 08
        +1
        Quote: ironic
        One?

        Such ships do not go one by one, is it really necessary to explain everything like a small child?
        1. ironic
          ironic April 14 2021 15: 42
          0
          Well, yes, from novya 5 frigates, 9 corvettes, a couple of modernized BODs, one battle group will be typed. 11 AUG, 22 Ticonderogs and> 60 Berks are terrified. How to explain everything to a child?
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich April 13 2021 09: 10
    +11
    I am sure that the repair of "Nakhimov" will be finished anyway, because already invested about 50 billion rubles and a huge range of works was carried out.

    Just quitting will also cost a lot of money.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 13 2021 17: 03
      +3
      Quote: Olgovich
      I am sure that the repair of "Nakhimov" will be finished anyway, because about 50 billion rubles have already been invested and a huge range of works has been carried out.

      Just quitting will also cost a lot of money.

      The amount of funds invested, alas, is not an argument. In the history of our Navy, there were ships that, upon leaving the overhaul, went for decommissioning.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 13 2021 20: 50
        0
        Quote: Alexey RA
        The amount of funds invested, alas, is not an argument. In the history of our Navy, there were ships that, upon leaving the overhaul, went for decommissioning.

        not so unique and large-scale.

        We'll see.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 13 2021 20: 39
      +3
      Quote: Olgovich
      about 50 billion rubles have already been invested and a huge range of works has been completed

      This is true. But I'm more interested in what all the same zatorch?
      What's not going? Super-duper-unseen hitherto laser weapon or 3M22 not going outside ???
  • Twodi
    Twodi April 13 2021 11: 39
    +4
    You are not right! Zumwalt is like the Goldfish in the submarine fleet. This ship provided experience and capabilities that other countries do not have. The only problem of Zumwalt is the high cost, in other parameters it has no equal. Stealth technology is presented in all its glory, it is a well-known fact that when approaching areas with intensive shipping, the crews of these EMs hang out special reflectors so that other ships can see them. And guiding missiles at such ships is a very VERY complicated process. So no matter how much I love our Navy, we have a lot to learn and where to grow.
  • ironic
    ironic April 13 2021 17: 38
    +3
    Well, yes, there is no order only with art. shells, despite the fact that raising the Zumvolt project in complexity is like repairing all four TAKRs combined, if not more.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty April 13 2021 06: 59
    +1
    Actually, there is a contract for the supply of this or that equipment, weapons. For disrupting it, you need to severely punish the supplier company with a huge fine, look for a password replacement in the person of another company that is able to fulfill the terms of the contract on time.
    1. Torins
      Torins April 13 2021 07: 04
      +9
      Yeah, in Russia there is just a huge selection of domestic suppliers of special equipment ... Nobody will punish anyone.
      1. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
        Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich April 13 2021 09: 10
        -2
        Quote: Torins
        Yeah, in Russia there is just a huge selection of domestic suppliers of special equipment ... Nobody will punish anyone.


        And as a result, we come to a catastrophically ineffective control circuit in the Russian Federation ...
        And of course, neither the President, nor the Prime Minister, nor the ministers are responsible for this.
        Question: Who is responsible?
        Answer: Nobody! At best, the "invisible hand of the market". But that hand cannot be held accountable, just because it is invisible !!! Well, no, as they say, and there is no court!
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 April 13 2021 10: 29
          +2
          Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
          Who's in charge?

          Suppliers and are responsible! Fines there, mom, don't worry!
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 April 13 2021 07: 34
      -5
      It is not the company that should be punished, but the highly effective owner personally. Who probably raked out all the loot and bought another yacht with it. Moreover, to punish - for undermining the defenses of the Motherland, for 15 years in Kolyma. And if you wish, you can also start up cooperation with foreign agents in the trailer, then - 25 ..
      1. novel66
        novel66 April 13 2021 08: 13
        +3
        years for 15 Kolyma
      2. Serg koma
        Serg koma April 13 2021 12: 48
        +2
        Quote: paul3390
        It is necessary to punish

        Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a law on fines of up to 1 million rubles for disrupting the state defense order, adopted by the State Duma on November 22 and approved by the Federation Council on November 27. This was reported on the Kremlin's official website.
        Corresponding amendments introducing responsibility for disrupting the state defense order for its customers and main executors have been made to the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation ...........
        For the refusal of the only supplier to conclude a state contract under the state defense order, the fine for officials will be from 30 thousand rubles to 50 thousand rubles, for legal entities - from 300 thousand rubles to 1 million rubles.
        3 DEC 2013, 17:44 ITAR-TASS
        Responsibility for disrupting the state defense order should be as strict as possible - any delay can cause a disruption in the production chain, which will be very difficult to restore later, Russian President Vladimir Putin said during an expanded meeting of the board of the Russian Defense Ministry on Thursday.
        MOSCOW, December 22.2016 - RIA News.
        On Tuesday, Russian President Vladimir Putin submitted to the State Duma for consideration a bill on imprisonment from 4 to 8 years for heads of companies who abused their powers in the implementation of the state defense order. Information about this is posted in the Duma electronic database.
        MOSCOW, 19 Sep 2017, 22:14. / TASS /
        Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed with the idea of ​​the possibility of nationalizing enterprises that fail to fulfill state defense orders. He stated this at the ceremony of signing the General Agreement between the all-Russian associations of trade unions, employers and the government of the Russian Federation for 2021-2023.
        NOVO-OGAREVO, March 31 2021... / TASS /.


        Yes the swan is breaking into the clouds
        Cancer backs away, and Pike pulls into the water.
        Who is to blame for them, who is right, is not for us to judge;
        Yes, only things are still there.
        I.A. Krylov
      3. Rzzz
        Rzzz April 13 2021 15: 17
        0
        So a highly effective owner is usually from the untouchable - either a high official or a taller sidekick.
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 April 13 2021 08: 18
      +10
      You live in some little world. If anything, this is how you write, Serdyukov tried to do it. Failed deadlines - minus state defense order + courts, and we will buy somewhere else, in the West. Selling overpriced equipment a la the 80s under PR, but don't want to bring it up to the MO requirement? Well, let's buy it somewhere else (in the West).

      Now the crafts are feasting again. For there is a monopoly on every topic. Well, throw you Agat out of GOZ - and what's next? This is the only manufacturer in the country. Well, or as with engines - Zvezda agreed to make almost 10 sets annually, for this the Ministry of Defense contracted a bunch of RTOs. In fact, at first, barely 1 set per year, now they seem to be trying to reach 2 sets annually. The shipyard is packed with the hulls of the Karakurt, on the same Pele a pair of ships occupies the outfitting room, waiting for the engines. CVDs bear costs. The Ministry of Defense, instead of the planned re-equipment of the BMZ, gets tears and launches a program to re-equip the old Lightning bolts on the X-35. Well, nothing can be done to the Star. It is the only manufacturer of these high-speed, complex, expensive, with a meager resource of 112 cylinder assemblies from the time of Khrushchev.
      1. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
        Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich April 13 2021 09: 20
        +3
        You will forgive me, illiterate and meager, but when specialists from the Ministry of Defense signed contracts with a Star, who, when and how checked the production capacity of that Star? Who and how gave the conclusion that the Star is capable of producing "almost 10 sets annually"? What responsibility did those MO experts and signatories bear?
        The same questions about the Star. Her top managers when signing contracts did not know the real possibilities of the enterprise? Answers:
        1. They knew. They knew that they would not produce that much, but they signed the contract;
        2. Didn't know. They did not know anything, but the contract was signed by "drunken deed", the money was received.
        Don't you think that in both the first and second cases, we can talk about causing especially large damage to the state, including its defense capability by a "group of persons by prior agreement"?

        Again we come to the beginning: lack of professionalism, impunity, negligence ...
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 April 13 2021 10: 34
          +3
          Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
          What responsibility did those MO experts and signatories bear?

          Do you have a choice of manufacturer?
          Quote: Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
          They knew. They knew that they would not produce that much, but they signed the contract;

          Under the contract, the signatories promised to carry out modernization .... well, they could not ... and there are no other manufacturers .... no one has built such engines in Russia for 20 years!
          1. Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich
            Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich April 14 2021 07: 29
            0
            Quote: Serg65
            Do you have a choice of manufacturer?


            Quote: Serg65
            Under the contract, the signatories promised to carry out modernization .... well, they could not ... but there are no other manufacturers.


            Well, you see, dear friend, you yourself have devalued your previous answer:

            Quote: Serg65
            Suppliers and are responsible! Fines there, mom, don't worry!


            There may be fines, I admit that those fines are great ... BUT ... there was no personal, personal responsibility of top managers, and no !!! NOT!!!
            And the fines on the enterprise ... well, they wrote out that fine, so what ??? the enterprise in Russia is the only manufacturer and supplier, and therefore YOU WILL NOT DO ANYTHING WITH IT - you will start to fine, so the company will lose working capital, assets and other things, as a result, the finisher himself will invest money in that company, so that without a single manufacturer and supplier stay ...
            Well, who is who is held hostage at the same time ???
            And I will say: it turns out that, at best, the Ministry of Defense is held hostage by untalented and thieving top managers of manufacturing enterprises and suppliers.

            ... but the situation itself is called FABULOUS, FABULOUSLY NOT EFFECTIVE PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION !!!
            However, my last thesis is true, if the goals and objectives of that state administration are to increase the defense capability of Russia, if the goal of state administration is the development of corruption and the enrichment of individual officials and enterprise managers, then on the contrary, state administration is quite effective, even more ...
        2. donavi49
          donavi49 April 13 2021 12: 15
          +4
          Well, MO has no choice. The management of the enterprise skillfully threw dust with projections - but then it did not take off. Again, the enterprise under Brezhnev built more than 10 sets annually with the same engines. That is, with the right approach, it is not a problem at all to conduct an examination in the right way.

          Managers received money on the principle of tomorrow we will think of something, well, or stones from the sky. The directorate changed several times, some even tried to start a case.

          Again, in general, the Navy and engines are not satisfied, not these (three times the resource from MTU, significantly more expensive every hour of work, from MTU), nor Kolomna. But there is no way out. Pulsar died under sanctions. The D500 on Kolomna is also barely going, and the fleet will not see it before the second half of the 20s. And in such conditions, crafts just occupy the royal throne, with the classic "What is so expensive - well, buy from others cheaper laughing ... Why the delay in the year of delivery - well, don't like it, don't buy wassat ... Why is the product originally from the 70s with a new tag and price-list more expensive than that of the Americans - well, buy from the Americans. "
  • mark1
    mark1 April 13 2021 07: 00
    -6
    Now these terms have also been disrupted, as the Russians say, "through the fault of the suppliers."
    The wrong paint was delivered.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee April 13 2021 08: 09
      0
      Quote: mark1
      deadlines disrupted

      For failure to meet the deadline - a specific deadline! am
      1. novel66
        novel66 April 13 2021 08: 15
        +2
        Volodya hi will answer, not the one. who is to blame, but the extreme will be found!
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee April 13 2021 08: 17
          -4
          Roma hi Switchman! Who else!
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 April 13 2021 10: 36
          +3
          Quote: novel xnumx
          will answer, not the one. who is to blame, but the extreme will be found!

          what janitor?
          1. novel66
            novel66 April 13 2021 10: 57
            +2
            yes a welder!
      2. Serg65
        Serg65 April 13 2021 10: 35
        +2
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        For failure to meet the deadline - a specific deadline!

        In this case, money hurts more!
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee April 13 2021 11: 05
          +1
          ... And I ask you: do not judge strictly,
          - Just give a time limit, but don't give a time limit!
          - I will attend courts as a spectator
          And go to prisons to see the light.
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 13 2021 17: 07
        0
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        For failure to meet the deadline - a specific deadline! am

        There is no war - I will accept everything -
        The link. Hard labor The prison.
        But preferably in July,
        And preferably in the Crimea.
        ©
  • Holuay T.O
    Holuay T.O April 13 2021 07: 10
    -25%
    They don't know how to make ships in Russia
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty April 13 2021 07: 14
      +1
      Holuay, from tomorrow you take control of the cruiser upgrade! Introduce them there in a tough form with the mother of a certain Kuzma am
      1. Serg65
        Serg65 April 13 2021 10: 37
        +4
        Quote: Thrifty
        Holuay, from tomorrow you take control of the cruiser upgrade!

        For this he needs a visa ...
    2. Khibiny Plastun
      Khibiny Plastun April 13 2021 07: 15
      -5
      With this gang at the power trough, our boats will soon forget how to do anything other than cruisers. The degradation of the country is evident.
      1. Holuay T.O
        Holuay T.O April 13 2021 07: 21
        +2
        Yes, we have only in Samara closed two bearing plants 4GPZ and 9GPZ and the territory is being built up by T. Ts

        WHERE ARE BEARINGS TO TAKE?
        However, the local public does not understand this, they here all the time praise the authorities, in the USSR they praised everything ... They did praise, they were the first to sell their homeland to the State Department.
        1. Serg65
          Serg65 April 13 2021 10: 37
          -5
          Quote: Holuay T.O.
          WHERE ARE BEARINGS TO TAKE?

          In the nightstand!
    3. letinant
      letinant April 13 2021 07: 18
      +3
      Quote: Holuay T.O.
      They don't know how to make ships in Russia

      Are you a ship specialist?
      1. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 April 13 2021 07: 31
        +5
        Quote: letinant
        ship specialist?

        Vasya-Samarsky is a great specialist in everything. fellow Now they will have a detour, they will distribute morning pills, and he will definitely write something else - and so every day. yes wassat
      2. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee April 13 2021 08: 10
        0
        A very beautiful ship, in vain it is so!
    4. Serg65
      Serg65 April 13 2021 10: 36
      +3
      Quote: Holuay T.O.
      They don't know how to make ships in Russia

      what Do you know how?
  • Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan April 13 2021 07: 23
    +7
    The modernization of "Admiral Nakhimov" has already gone beyond a reasonable price and terms. At the beginning of 2020, Nakhimov has mastered 80 billion since the beginning of modernization, and this is not the final figure. Plus the cost of energy consumption from the plant, plus water, garbage and other "little things in life" will definitely fit a hundred.
    The equipment has not been produced for 1144 for a long time, the repair work is almost restoration. Some had to be re-produced from scratch, drawings had to be gnawed from private traders. Here even the admirals had doubts about the scope of modernization of the same type of "Peter the Great", they say, "Admiral Nakhimov" is too expensive, so the scope of work on "Peter the Great" may be significantly limited. The ship is unique and the price tag for modernization is impressive + terms are not met.
    1. Khibiny Plastun
      Khibiny Plastun April 13 2021 07: 39
      -6
      It would be funny if it happened somewhere out there, and not here.
    2. Serg koma
      Serg koma April 13 2021 13: 41
      +1
      Quote: Bashkirkhan
      The modernization of "Admiral Nakhimov" has already gone beyond a reasonable price and terms.

      In 2008, work began in Severodvinsk to rebuild the giant ship. Since that time, the aircraft carrier "Admiral Gorshkov" has disappeared, but the aircraft carrier "Vikramaditya" has appeared. On November 16, 2013, the Vikramaditya was transferred to the Indian Navy.

      “I wonder how tenacious the version turned out to be that it was a re-equipment of an aircraft-carrying cruiser built at the shipyards in Nikolaev. In fact, we rebuilt it... When the ship was put to the quay wall of Sevmash, several tens of tons of fuel oil were scooped out of the hold and the trash was dismantled, we understood: nothing remained in this steamer except for a partial hull plating."- President of the" United Shipbuilding Corporation "Alexey Rakhmanov
      Five years, and out of an unnecessary (???) heavy aircraft-carrying cruiser, please gentlemen, Indians - an aircraft carrier. If it were not for the Chinese bricks - in general, everything would be great in such a short time and the assessment is excellent.
      Probably the "fault" of everything (in relation to Nakhimov) experts -
      at Sevmash 45 Indian specialists were involved in the modernization of the aircraft carrier
      we do not have such ... Can I invite? wassat
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 April 13 2021 07: 30
    -6
    and how does it differ from a frigate? just big, if the question of suppliers is not about nuclear power, then just equip it with frigate weapons, but a lot, that's all
    1. agond
      agond April 13 2021 09: 47
      -3
      It seems that the whole trouble is that the ship was conceived as a universal cruiser + planes and modernizers again want to maintain versatility, and as you know, to do something universal and at the same time quite functional task is practically unsolvable, therefore it is necessary to revise the concept of the ship in the direction of simplifying its logistics or a cruiser , or planes, + drones, if the military immediately decided what they needed more, then the ship would have been in service for a long time and for much less money, ... it would have a new power plant such as a diesel engine from a container ship
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 13 2021 17: 09
        +1
        Quote: agond
        I think the whole trouble is that the ship was conceived as a universal cruiser + aircraft

        You are confusing 1144 with 1143.
        "Nakhimov" is a nuclear-powered missile cruiser, carrier of heavy anti-ship missiles DD and air defense missile systems DD.
    2. Serg65
      Serg65 April 13 2021 10: 39
      +3
      Quote: vladimir1155
      just equip it with frigate weapons, but a lot, that's all

      But what is really there .... to cut holes for the oars and hi war!
  • Twodi
    Twodi April 13 2021 11: 35
    -2
    It's sad to admit, but this is a failure ... Another failure ... 10 YEARS for modernization, I'm afraid to imagine how much it would take to build the same EM project Leader, no less 20-30 years. Now it is clear why Peter will not be modernized according to Nakhimov's project, because the hull will simply rot on the slipway during the modernization process.
  • Tests
    Tests April 13 2021 12: 11
    +5
    It seems that across the oceans, representatives of the second oldest profession are similar to their Russian counterparts: "The article emphasizes that the specific reasons for the delays in the delivery of the ship are unknown." And why argue?
    The native country WOULD think about who and how will steer the "Severnaya Verf". The team of the former governor of the Arkhangelsk region, Mr. Orlov, took all the top positions on it. Well, here's the result - the chief engineer in the Arkhangelsk pre-trial detention center. News Agency "BelomorKanal" tv29.ru today reported: "Shestakov was slammed. The scandalous ex-deputy chairman of the government of the Arkhangelsk region was cleaned up at the" Severnaya Verf "
  • tranquil
    tranquil April 13 2021 17: 23
    +1
    How beautiful he is. Even being under renovation.
  • ramzay21
    ramzay21 April 14 2021 07: 33
    +1
    Yes, Kalinin as a symbol of the era. Got up for repairs when Putin came to power. During this period, Stalin carried out industrialization, brought the economy to second place in the world and won the war. Putin for this period, maybe the Soviet cruiser will be repaired.
  • yehat2
    yehat2 April 14 2021 11: 30
    -1
    If the Americans had bothered to google for at least a couple of hours, they would have seen that the cruiser is already at the stage of completion.
  • Kawado
    Kawado April 17 2021 12: 28
    0
    Another fable about "Mosfilm and Cartoons"? laughing
    Aren't they tired of them there yet?
    They themselves have not really completed anything from the latest weapons, everything is buggy and crumbling, but our Nakhimov suddenly interested them.
    Let it be better to consider our cheap diesel submarines, which quite quickly roll off the conveyors, are almost invisible and are armed with weapons that are not for children.
    The cruiser is undergoing a very deep modernization, they are trying to cram something into it (which is in itself difficult even for super-duper-stars and stripes, with all their trillions of the budget) and, in principle, they have already shoved, the ship is already undergoing mooring tests.
  • GOOD WEAL
    GOOD WEAL 10 May 2021 11: 58
    0
    Of course, because of the Atlantic Ocean, you can see better what is alive and what is dead. Everything is especially visible from the cozy office, and especially the vision is sharpened in shorts and slippers. As without this, then, the inference is not built. Only this way and not otherwise.
  • Non liberoid Russian
    Non liberoid Russian 23 May 2021 05: 49
    0
    yes, let them think what they want, the more painful it will be to see the cruiser in service, in all its glory and with new weapons