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How Stalin escaped a war on two fronts

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How Stalin escaped a war on two fronts
Japanese Foreign Minister I. Matsuoka signs the Pact of Neutrality between the USSR and Japan. Present: J. V. Stalin, People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs of the USSR V. Molotov, Deputy. People's Commissar for Foreign Affairs of the USSR S. A. Lozovsky, A. Ya. Vyshinsky


Great east asia


After the signing of the Tripartite Pact of September 27, 1940, the Japanese government decided to strengthen the alliance in order to use it to create a "sphere of prosperity for the great East Asia." It was supposed to include China, Indochina, Dutch India, Malaya, Thailand, the Philippines, British Borneo, Burma and the eastern part of the USSR. Tokyo was going to use the alliance with Italy and Germany, the big war in Europe and the collapse of the colonial empires to expand its empire. The Japanese have already captured the northeastern part of China (Manchuria), the coastal provinces of Central China and the island of Hainan. Taking advantage of the defeat of France by Germany, the Japanese occupied part of Indochina, and thus almost isolated China from the outside world.

The Japanese also aimed at the Russian lands. They already tried to take over the Russian Far East during the Russian Civil War. However, then their plans failed. In 1938-1939. the Japanese army made a number of attempts to invade Mongolia (allied with the USSR) and the Far East. Soviet troops pushed back the enemy at Lake Khasan and inflicted a heavy defeat on the Japanese at the river. Khalkhin-Gol.

The Japanese military-political elite, feeling the power of the new Russian army and the Soviet industrial power, after some hesitation, put their actions in China and Southeast Asia first. In order to seize strategic footholds, provide a resource base and thereby create the possibility of further conquests. Hitler, believing in a quick victory over Russia, did not insist that the Japanese immediately begin an offensive in the Far East. Berlin believed that Japan should first of all defeat Britain in the Far East, seize Singapore and divert US attention. This will weaken the British Empire and shift the center of gravity of US interests to the Pacific Ocean.

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In early 1941, the Japanese launched an offensive in southern China. With the actual loss of the coast, China was isolated from the outside world. The main assistance to the Chinese resistance at this time was provided by the USSR. Through the northwestern provinces of China, Russia supplied weapon, equipment, ammunition, equipment and fuel. For example, from November 25, 1940 to June 1, 1941 alone, the Soviet Union delivered 250 combat aircraft. Soviet volunteer pilots fought against the Japanese aggressors before the start of World War II, when they were urgently needed in their homeland. In addition, Moscow kept a large military grouping in the Far East, thereby depriving the Japanese command of the opportunity to use the Kwantung Army against China.

The ruling circles of Thailand (Kingdom of Siam), which had previously focused on Britain, decided that it was time to change their patron. The Japanese supported plans to create a "Great Thai" at the expense of the territories of French Indochina. It came to war. Japan has assumed the role of arbiter in this conflict. The Japanese also attracted Germany. Berlin put pressure on the Vichy regime to prevent France from sending reinforcements to Indochina. Japanese ships arrived at the ports of Thailand. In the occupied part of Indochina, Japanese garrisons were increased. The French generally fought better than the Thais. But at the insistence of the Japanese, the fighting was stopped.

The peace conference of Siam, France, the colonial authorities of Indochina and Japan, which opened on February 7, 1941 in Tokyo, was chaired by Japanese Foreign Minister Matsuoka. The French had to yield, although they were not defeated. On May 9, 1941, peace was signed in Tokyo. Siam received about 30 thousand square meters. kilometers of territory with a population of 3 million people at the expense of Cambodia and Laos. At the same time, the Japanese imposed an agreement on trade and navigation on French Indochina. This allowed Japan to intensify its economic expansion in Indochina. Siam became a military ally of the Japanese Empire.

Initially, Tokyo wanted to avoid, or at least delay, a direct clash with Britain and the United States. Hoping, through pressure and negotiations, as well as the German threat, to achieve the consent of London and Washington to seize China and the countries of the South Seas. Fleet it took time to prepare for war. The German attack on Russia was supposed to create a favorable environment for Japan in the Asia-Pacific region. In turn, the United States, as before, hoped to postpone the war with Japan for some time at the expense of China and Russia. The owners of the United States planned to start the war after the mutual weakening of Germany, Japan and Russia.

The question of the sale of Northern Sakhalin


Considering the fact of its defeat in the Khalkhin Gol region and turning to the south, Tokyo decided to improve relations with Moscow. Therefore, Japan declared its desire to improve relations with the USSR. Moscow agreed. Soon the parties began negotiations (November 1930) on the settlement of disputed economic issues. Japan agreed to ensure the payment of the last installment for the Chinese Eastern Railway. The fishing issue was settled. In June 1940, the issue of the borders between Mongolia and Manchukuo in the Khalkhin-Gol River region was resolved.

Since the summer of 1940, the Japanese government, aiming at domination in Asia, sought to quickly normalize relations with Moscow in order to avoid a war on two fronts. In July, Japan, through its ambassador in Moscow, Togo, offered to begin negotiations on the conclusion of a Soviet-Japanese pact of neutrality. The Japanese side proposed to base the pact on the Beijing Convention of 1925, which, in turn, was based on the Portsmouth Peace Treaty of 1905. The 1925 convention was in the interests of Japan, since it gave the Japanese the primordially Russian land - South Sakhalin. Also, the convention provided for the creation of Japanese oil and coal concessions in Northern Sakhalin. These concessions have caused constant conflicts between the parties.

Nevertheless, Moscow decided to start negotiations on a neutrality pact. We needed peace in the Far East. At the same time, the Soviet government proposed to liquidate the Japanese concessions in Northern Sakhalin. On October 30, 1940, Japan made a new proposal: to conclude a non-aggression pact, not neutrality, as before. The 1925 Convention was no longer mentioned. On November 18, Moscow gave the answer: it proposed its draft of a neutrality pact, but it was connected with the settlement of controversial issues. In particular, an agreement was proposed to liquidate the Japanese concession in Northern Sakhalin. In return, the Soviet government guaranteed Japan the supply of Sakhalin oil for 10 years in the amount of 100 thousand tons annually.

Tokyo did not accept these proposals. The Japanese advised the Soviet side to sell Northern Sakhalin. Thus, Japan sought to complete the success of 1905 - to get the whole island. Moscow declared that this proposal was unacceptable.

Neutrality pact


In February 1941, Tokyo announced the imminent arrival of the Foreign Minister to meet with the Soviet leadership. On March 23, 1941, Matsuoka visited Moscow and the next day announced that after visiting Berlin and Rome, he would like to start negotiations on improving relations with the Russians. On March 26, the Japanese minister arrived in Berlin. The Japanese clarified the position of Germany. Hitler said he would like to avoid US involvement in the war. At the same time, Hitler instilled in Matsuoka the idea that Japan would not have a better moment to defeat England in the Pacific. In Berlin, they made it clear to Matsuoka that Germany's war against the USSR was inevitable. Matsuoka assured the Nazis that the pact of neutrality with Moscow, which Japan plans to conclude, would be immediately dropped as soon as the Soviet-German war broke out.

Nevertheless, Japan decided that they needed a pact with the USSR while the war was going on in the Pacific. On April 7, 1941, Matsuoka was in Moscow again. He again put forward a condition for the sale of Northern Sakhalin. Obviously, Tokyo believed that Moscow, under the threat of a war with Hitler, would make big concessions to Japan in the Far East. Matsioka said that in exchange for this concession, Japan is ready to replace the Portsmouth Peace Treaty and the Beijing Convention with other agreements, to renounce some of its "fishing rights". However, the Japanese miscalculated, Stalin was not going to give up Northern Sakhalin. The Soviet side categorically refused to discuss this issue. Only on April 13, Matsuoka surrendered, and the pact was signed.

Both sides pledged to maintain peaceful and friendly relations, respect the territorial integrity and inviolability of each other. In the event of an attack by another power or powers, Japan and the USSR pledged to adhere to neutrality. The pact is valid for 5 years. Japan has pledged to liquidate its concessions in Northern Sakhalin. In the annex to the pact, both sides pledged to respect the territorial integrity and inviolability of Mongolia and Manchukuo.

Thus, Stalin's government solved the most important task on the eve of the war with Germany. Russia avoided a war on two fronts. Japan this time avoided the trap set by the United States and Britain. The Japanese realized that they wanted to be used in the war with the Russians. And they played their game.

Obviously, Moscow and Tokyo understood that the pact would be broken off immediately as soon as external conditions changed. With the success of the blitzkrieg of Germany, Japan would immediately seize the Russian Far East.

Russia returned to the issue of returning its ancestral lands and restoring strategic positions in the Far East when victory over the Third Reich in Europe became inevitable.
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  1. apro
    apro April 14 2021 05: 04
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    The 1925 convention was in the interests of Japan, since it gave the Japanese the primordially Russian land - South Sakhalin. 

    Deftly, the author shifted the blame for the defeat in the Russo-Japanese War to the Soviets.
    The fact is that the convention simply confirmed the status quo. At that time. Not interesting. The USSR after the civil war solab. And could not resist Japan. The author is clearly not satisfied. Give him Russian lands.
    And on the subject of the treaty, yes, the IVS, Stalin strove to secure the Soviet Far East. But in addition to the treaties, there was also a Far Eastern front. In terms of numbers, it was not inferior to the Japanese. And the Japanese took this into account in their Wishlist.
    1. Ravik
      Ravik April 14 2021 05: 50
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      Oleg, the texts of your comments are very difficult to read.
    2. Kuroneko
      Kuroneko April 14 2021 15: 03
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      Quote: apro
      And on the subject of the treaty, yes, the IVS, Stalin strove to secure the Soviet Far East. But in addition to the treaties, there was also a Far Eastern front. In terms of numbers, it was not inferior to the Japanese. And the Japanese took this into account in their Wishlist.

      We weakened him critically, before the battle for Moscow, only pretending that he was still really strong. The "Siberian divisions" that provided the counter-offensive near Moscow are the ultimate denudation of the Far Eastern defense (Stalin demanded that everything be removed from there, but Apanasenko, who was just responsible for the defense of the district, hit him so hard that Stalin himself realized something , and tempered appetites) ..
      “And then suddenly a glass of tea, standing opposite Apanasenko, flew over the long table to the left, the chair under the general seemed to jump back. Apanasenko jumped off the table and shouted: “What are you? What are you doing?!! YOUR MOTHER IS SO A BREAK! .. And if the Japanese attack, how will I defend the Far East? These stripes ?! - and hit himself with his hands on the sides. - Remove from office, shoot, I won't give up the guns! ”. I was stunned. A thought pierced it - this is the end, now it will call Beria's people, and we will both perish ”.

      But, to Borkov's surprise, Comrade Stalin did not call Beria's people, and generally tried to release everything “on the brakes”, saying: “Calm down, calm down, Comrade Apanasenko! Should you be so worried about these guns? Leave them to yourself. "

      https://zen.yandex.ru/media/z_istorik/kak-general-apanasenko-priliudno-obmateril-stalina-i-chem-vse-eto-zakonchilos-5bc6b71c35b68100aa4183f4
      At that time, Berlin, by the way, was pushing hard on the Japanese, trying to force them to get involved in the war with the USSR. But the lessons of Khalkhin Gol were not forgotten by the Japanese generals, and this is what played a role. Japan did not dare. In many ways - and because Apanasenko did not allow Stalin to completely bare the front. Well, then she generally became sharply not up to the Far East.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 14 2021 18: 16
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        Quote: Kuroneko
        And then suddenly a glass of tea, standing opposite Apanasenko, flew over the long table to the left, the chair under the general seemed to jump back. Apanasenko jumped off the table and shouted: “What are you? What are you doing?!! YOUR MOTHER IS SO FUCKING! ..

        Yes, yes, this crap is dragged back and forth over the network. Even VO did not escape this fate - Madame Frolova, known for her narrow-mindedness, somehow gave birth to a whole article about how "General Stalin's mother". Ugh, in a word.
      2. max702
        max702 April 15 2021 11: 33
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        Actually, Japan did not attack the USSR on June 22 and lost the war .. History has confirmed this .. But Germany could not or did not want to convince Japan of this, too, made a fatal mistake .. Hit the USSR from both sides at the same time and everything would be over for it. . Now the world would speak German ..
        1. ABC-schütze
          ABC-schütze April 15 2021 13: 12
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          On June 22, of all those mentioned, only Hitler made the fatal mistake. And Tokyo, only with a slight delay, paid off the Soviet Union for this mistake of Hitler. At a price, frankly speaking, very small and without any "aggression" from the USSR. After all, the foot of a Soviet soldier, in fact, never entered the territory of the country of the warlike sons of the goddess Amateratsu ... Only the territories occupied by Tokyo were cleared of their presence ...
          1. max702
            max702 April 15 2021 16: 02
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            Speak at the same time as Hitler could well have been the winners ..
            1. ABC-schütze
              ABC-schütze April 16 2021 10: 20
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              You have to be FULLY prepared for any successful "performance". At that time, neither Germany nor Japan were ready for a successful war against the USSR. And smart people - professionals warned Hitler about this. Japan was aware of this and "put on the brake." And the adventurer Hitler relied on the "blitzkrieg" freebies. For which he paid with his "Third Reich" and his burnt scraps, buried in the garden of the Reich Chancellery. But the USSR did not have time to fully prepare the Red Army only for the attack of the Nazis and their sixes, which is not encouraging. And the COUNTRY, for the WAR against them, no matter how strange it may seem, still managed to prepare. For this, all your subconscious wishes, such as - "speak at the same time", in the context of the discussed plot, are equivalent to reflections on the topic, but ... "if Sasha the Great had machine guns" ...
              1. max702
                max702 April 16 2021 10: 31
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                I understand everything perfectly, but RI confirmed the erroneousness of the defendants from Germany and Japan, and these are by no means my dreams, I just want to show on which edge of the abyss our country stood and what efforts it took to win .. There is a firm opinion that if Japan attacked DV then we would have quickly defeated it and this would only make Japan worse, I don’t think so, because history has confirmed that the war could not have been worse for sure, the war was lost with a bang, therefore, with other steps, the result could be different .. This is a question of simulating the situation, and not wishes for someone success.
                .And about the Macedonian machine guns in general nonsense, could he have machine guns? Not ! Not how! Could Japan compete with Germany? I could! Therefore, your comparison is delusional ..
                1. ABC-schütze
                  ABC-schütze April 16 2021 12: 34
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                  "There is a strong opinion that if Japan attacked the Far East, then we would have quickly defeated it and this would only make Japan worse ..." - this is your reference to the "existing opinion" is not an argument for building a reasonable position on the discussed article. Firstly, I have very rarely heard such statements from specialists competent in history and military affairs. For sim, I would not dare to call it "sustainable". Secondly, your thesis like Japan "could" attack at the same time, can be interpreted only in the context of the "absence of prohibitions" for its technical "body movements" of this kind. Here I agree with you. There was no "prohibition". But Tokyo, as I reminded you, had brains, her REALLY possible body movements clearly controlled. You ignore this circumstance, purely "technically". That's all the difference between our positions ...
                  1. max702
                    max702 April 18 2021 09: 15
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                    Judging by the result, Japan had no brains .. The rest of your fantasies, and pulling an owl on the globe .. Did the Yapi blow it? Yes ! What other questions? To win against the United States with comrades and to be potential opponents in the USSR, it was called brains! Seriously? I hope you are very far from making decisions in the real world today, because with such analytics a lot of interesting things await us ..
                    1. ABC-schütze
                      ABC-schütze April 19 2021 10: 25
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                      Come back closer to the topic, if not difficult. And you will have time to share your "hopes" regarding my potencies with the forum a little later ... For this, I would like three - four "examples" of the "stable opinion" mentioned by you. If you have not uttered this phrase for the sake of the "beauty of the syllable". This time ... Next. Second ... Presumably, Japan, in the historical period under review, thought of its prospects somewhat broader than your imagination tells you. In particular, regarding its LONG-TERM role in the WHOLE zone of TAP and SEA. Where its main, aggressive, REAL and OLD competitor was the United States, and not the USSR. And "exchange" their LONG-TERM, STRATEGIC aspirations and REAL OPPORTUNITIES, WITHOUT SPECIAL LABOR and RISK, to seize the raw materials of the colonies of Europeans already defeated by the Third Reich, for possible tactical gains, on Sakhalin and vague prospects in Siberia, especially in a situation already underway the theater of war, in Tokyo, must be considered unreasonable. perhaps they should have consulted with you ...
                      1. max702
                        max702 April 19 2021 11: 16
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                        O yes! They exchanged very effectively, so they blew everything and everyone with an artistic whistle! They are absolutely not interested in what and how they counted and what they hoped for, we look at the RESULT! Everything they calculated and everything that they planned turned out to be a fierce nonsense from which nothing came out except for an absolute failure everywhere and everywhere .. You tell me about their beautiful plans and graceful calculations, and I tell you about what came of this crap! I tell you the facts, and you tell me bleating about how it should have gone but how it did not go .. Did they find something unreasonable there? Their business, but the fact remains, they were mistaken and fiercely raked, but how would they have done as I suppose, another question and an interesting question ..
                      2. ABC-schütze
                        ABC-schütze April 19 2021 14: 57
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                        "I tell you the facts, and you tell me bleating about how it should have gone but how it did not go .." Yeah ... You have funny "logic". Like my deskmate. According to it, Tokyo's refusal to attack the USSR is far from being a fact ... As well as the previous, very successful Japanese waging war in the theater I mentioned since the mid-30s. And the subsequent, no less successful deprivation of the Britons and "others like them" of their colonial possessions. On the other hand, your "provisions", which, in spite of my request, repeated for the THIRD time, you could not give any intelligible reasons, undoubtedly, there is a "powerful argument". You, your beloved, read for a start. To your FIRST post, I replied (guided EXACTLY by the RESULTS of the war, that is, FACTS) that the MAIN MISTAKE in this whole scenario was made by Hitler, on June 22, 1941 ... After all, he made an adventurous decision to attack the USSR and "win by blitzkrieg". And the result, alas, speaks precisely in favor of my thesis, and not your "cabinet-analytical" exercises. Koi, you are trying to back up some anonymous "stable opinion" ... But I will refer to my teacher, which reminds us that there is a strong opinion that the Japanese, in the course of military operations against the United States (the main and active STRATEGIC enemy in region TA) made several STUPID MISTAKES (starting with the refusal to immediately re-attack Pearl Harbor, and ending with the careless conduct of aerial reconnaissance, which "slept" the advance of the US aircraft carrier forces, which ended with the destruction of the Japanese aircraft carrier group and predetermined the defeat of Tokyo at sea ...). So I can say with no less reason than you that Japan, with its defeat in Southeast Asia and the TA-region, was "punished" not by its strategic miscalculations, but by a number of factors, for which the definition of "accidental" is quite suitable. In a word, it's time for me to go to lessons. And you, while, acre of your emotional fantasies, try to find WEIGHTED arguments. Koi Tokyo to attack the USSR "together with Hitler" could have prompted ...
                      3. max702
                        max702 April 19 2021 21: 18
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                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        kaz Tokyo from an attack on the USSR is far from being a fact ...

                        Come on? ! Today is the day of discoveries! When did Japan declare war on the USSR?
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        that the MAIN MISTAKE in this whole scenario was made by Hitler, on June 22, 1941 ...

                        Wait, are we talking about Hitler or about Japan? What do you attribute to me that which was not? I do not argue with mistakes and defeats in the SE theater on a huge scale, but even if they did not exist, Japan would have blown it all the same! For these are tactical mistakes, not strategic ones! Well, they would have achieved more in Pearl Harbor, well, they would have won the Battle of Guadalcanal .. What would it change? Never mind! The USA would have tensed a bit more, but it would have been OUR Hokkaido .. That's all .. Nothing would fundamentally change for Japan .. But instead of trying to nightmare the USA would have piled with Germany on the USSR, then there options were drawn .. Vladivostok smashed to smithereens, destroyed bases along the entire coast, interrupted production of fish resources and zero transportation of goods (by the way, our merchant fleet plucked from time to time) would be oh, how unpleasant for the USSR, apart from the DB on land, albeit in a permanent mode. But no crawl to pinch the American grizzly .. Yeah .. Cool plan! Reliable as a Swiss watch! How did it end? The Yapas pissed away everything .. It was as if Hitler was really mentally damaged by greed and did not want to throw a bone to an ally in order to guarantee to overwhelm the enemy, and the Yapas set out with a cuckoo to cross the USA with a drill, leaving in the rear of the USSR, like in the USA, there are more nishtyaks and the Far East of the USSR is not interesting .. I will repeat once again WHAT IT ENDED? Maybe something else had to be done?
                      4. ABC-schütze
                        ABC-schütze April 20 2021 11: 06
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                        "Come on ?! Today is the day of discoveries! When did Japan declare war on the USSR?" ... Well, for me, the day of discoveries, that's for sure. I was surprised to find that you, obviously, also find it very difficult to read carefully ... This is where, in my quote you quoted: "According to it, and Tokyo's refusal to attack the USSR, the fact is far from being" some of my statements , or even a hint at the "declaration of war" by Japan to the Soviet Union managed to catch a glimpse of? .. No way, very excited, "in the park"? .. Further, even funnier. Have you read the article itself? .. When is it in history, in general, and the history of Soviet - Japanese relations, the plot with the signing of the Soviet - Japanese agreement mentioned in the article, apart from the question of Berlin's active attempts to heed Tokyo in the war against the USSR and the attack on the USSR on The Far East was considered? .. It’s me to your ridiculous question addressed to me "and here, in general, Hitler" I ask. However, your question, amusingly belated, in the context of our cheerful discussion with you, ABOUT THREE days. You, why didn’t you ask me this question IMMEDIATELY in response to my FIRST post? .. "Wits" was not enough? ..) You, in general, when your emotions and "cabinet - historical" fantasies on the subject of "alternative "Are you rolling out the stories, take into account the context in which the events unfold? .. Do you, in any way, believe that Tokyo, signing the agreement with the USSR, did not keep the position of the Third Reich" in mind? this "discovery" will no longer be ... As for the rest, your "woulds", and regarding Pearl Harbor, I remind you, just in case, about one more "alternative" option. To whom you are a great fan. In the context of the mistake made by the Japanese. Don't you think that its non-admission, potentially OPENED for Tokyo the possibility of INTERVENTIONS, ALREADY then, in fact, on American territory? States, with such a development of the plot "a little - a little" would be very difficult to strain. If the Japanese did not leave, but began to prepare a new sortie, then their aerial reconnaissance, regardless of whether the state naval base had time to recover from the first strike and prepare to repel the second, could find American ships at sea near Oahu: Dramel's unit, which left Pearl- Harbor after the raid (4 cruisers, 15 destroyers) and the Halsey unit that approached the island (aircraft carrier, 3 cruisers, 9 destroyers). I believe that the TIME destruction by the Japanese of this group, as well as the fuel depots in Hawaii, would significantly "nullify" Uncle Sam's potential to effectively neutralize the potential amphibious operations of Tokyo on the territory of the United States ...
                      5. max702
                        max702 April 20 2021 12: 05
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                        Ooo landing on the territory of the United States is awful! So we will win! Japan butted with the United States not because there is a lot of tasty things there, but in order to plunder Asia calmly, the DBs on the territory of the United States would finish off Japan even faster because the weight categories are not comparable or do you think the fleet is driving in the DB on land? Well, well .. All your fantasies that after Pearl Harbor of the USA all this is bullshit, look at the industrial production and the general economic power of the United States of those years like Japan, well, that's not an enemy at all .. So the successes of the Yapov, especially after the landing on the territory of the United States, is not even an alternative, but a children's fantasy .. They were afraid to join the Soviet Union on the continent at a time when Hitler almost reached Moscow, but here they butt with the most powerful industrial country thousands of kilometers from their native shores? Of course they would have succeeded .. Yeah, really ...
                        And yet, where is Japan and when did it declare war on the USSR, thereby helping the German ally? Wasn't it? All question is closed ..
                        The fact that the Axis analysts miscalculated more than completely and because of greed could not agree and organize cooperation is their problem for which they later answered .. Look at the facts, and they say one thing, everything that Germany and Japan did was wrong! Therefore, something had to be done differently .. I suppose such steps, you say that no, they did everything they could, I don't think so because the result of these actions is deplorable for them ..
                      6. ABC-schütze
                        ABC-schütze April 20 2021 14: 35
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                        "And yet, where is Japan and when did it declare war on the USSR thereby helping the German ally? Wasn't that? All the question is closed .." It only seems to you that it is "closed" ... In fact, you have already run into an additional question. So who, when and where on this forum and thread, announced that Japan "declared war" on the USSR? .. Answer - in the studio! You tried to drape your passage with my quote, but it directly says about Japan's REFUSAL from attacking the USSR (and not about some kind of "declaration" of war by Japan. By the way, try to correctly handle the quotes you refer to without attributing your conjectures " vis-a-vis ") ... Duc, where is the commemorated" declaration "of war here? ..
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich April 14 2021 05: 31
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    Thus, Stalin's government solved the most important task on the eve of the war with Germany. Russia escaped a war on two fronts.


    The USSR escaped.

    And Japan solved the most important task on the eve of the war with the United States and avoided a war on two fronts.
    1. Alex_1973
      Alex_1973 April 14 2021 07: 44
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      Olgovich (Andrey)
      The USSR escaped.
      And Japan solved the most important task on the eve of the war with the United States and avoided a war on two fronts.
      In general, the meaning of your comment is not clear ... The USSR did not solve one of the most important tasks for itself? And how did Japan avoid a war on two fronts ?!
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 14 2021 08: 21
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        Quote: Alex_1973
        In general, the meaning of your comment is not clear ... The USSR did not solve one of the most important tasks for itself?

        And the USSR escaped and Japan escaped a war on 2 fronts.
        Quote: Alex_1973
        And how did Japan avoid a war on two fronts ?!

        Preparing for war with the United States, concluded a Pact and secured herself in Manchukuo
        1. Illanatol
          Illanatol April 14 2021 09: 13
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          Preparing for war with the United States, concluded a Pact and secured herself in Manchukuo


          The USSR did not want to "attack" northern China.
          Well, until 1945
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA April 14 2021 10: 59
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            Quote: Illanatol
            The USSR did not want to "attack" northern China.

            He-he-he ... immediately after 07.12.1941/20/6, the notorious Apanasenko wrote to Moscow that the time had come when decisive action might be demanded from his front - and asked in this case to reinforce him with XNUMX divisions and the XNUMXth BC (in addition to the six already available on the Far East). smile
            1. Illanatol
              Illanatol April 14 2021 13: 41
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              Hu from Apanasenko?
              The head of state?
              Supreme Commander?
              Where was he sent with such "initiatives"?
              Or did he still occupy Manchuria, crushing the Kwantung army and the army of Manchukuo at the same time? wink
          2. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 14 2021 11: 01
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            Quote: Illanatol
            The USSR did not want to "attack" northern China.
            Well, until 1945

            unconditionally.

            But the Pact gave a guarantee
            1. Illanatol
              Illanatol April 14 2021 13: 38
              +4
              What matters in real politics is not contracts, but intentions and opportunities for their implementation.
              The papers themselves do not give any guarantees. You just need to make sure that the other side itself, of its own free will, acts in a way that is beneficial to you.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich April 14 2021 14: 21
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                Quote: Illanatol
                What matters in real politics is not contracts, but intentions and opportunities for their implementation.

                and in what are the intentions and possibilities embodied?

                In contracts
                Quote: Illanatol
                The papers themselves do not give any guarantees.

                guarantees give the strength and capabilities of the parties, expressed an agreement
                Quote: Illanatol
                You just need make the other side herself, of her own free will, did sohow beneficial it is to you.

                it happens, and even ... just?
            2. Maki Avellevich
              Maki Avellevich April 15 2021 12: 33
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              Quote: Olgovich
              But the Pact gave a guarantee

              not a pact gives guarantees but the coincidence of interests of the state.
              the pact is a supporting paper.

              as soon as the interests cease to match the signed one, at least for 25 years, the pact can be sent to the toilet.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich April 15 2021 13: 28
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                Quote: Maki Avellievich
                not a pact gives guarantees but the coincidence of interests of the state.
                the pact is a supporting paper.

                where is the coincidence recorded and negotiated? In the mind? In the Cloud?

                all the contracting Itiots, in your opinion?
                1. Maki Avellevich
                  Maki Avellevich April 15 2021 18: 18
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                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Quote: Maki Avellievich
                  not a pact gives guarantees but the coincidence of interests of the state.
                  the pact is a supporting paper.

                  where is the coincidence recorded and negotiated? In the mind? In the Cloud?

                  all the contracting Itiots, in your opinion?

                  coincidence of interests leads to the signing of an agreement.
                  an agreement by itself will not lead to shared interests.

                  there are many examples of signed papers with the help of which they tried to pull the complained to reality by the ears. they were not suitable for a toilet either, since the paper was tough.
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich April 15 2021 19: 33
                    -1
                    7
                    Quote: Maki Avellievich
                    coincidence of interests leads to the signing of an agreement.
                    an agreement by itself will not lead to shared interests.

                    What are you saying?
                    Quote: Maki Avellievich
                    there are many examples of signed papers with the help of which they tried to pull the complained to reality by the ears. they were not suitable for a toilet either, since the paper was tough.

                    all diplomats who conclude treaties-Itiots, in your opinion?
                    1. Maki Avellevich
                      Maki Avellevich April 15 2021 19: 55
                      0
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      all diplomats who conclude treaties-Itiots, in your opinion?

                      Not all.
          3. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine April 14 2021 21: 59
            +1
            Quote: Illanatol
            The USSR did not want to "attack" northern China

            Where do you think the well-known river Khalkin-Gol is located?
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 14 2021 11: 04
          +3
          Quote: Olgovich
          And the USSR escaped and Japan escaped a war on 2 fronts.

          But the role of diplomats in this is not as great as it seems.
          The guarantor of peace and non-aggression in the Far East was two almost million strong groups on both sides of the border. It was their presence that prevented a war on two fronts. Taking into account the binding of these forces, we can say that the second front of the USSR and Japan was non-belligerent.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 14 2021 14: 23
            -2
            Quote: Alexey RA
            But the role of diplomats in this is not as great as it seems.
            The guarantor of peace and non-aggression in the Far East was two almost million strong groups on both sides of the border. It was their presence that prevented a war on two fronts. Taking into account the binding of these forces, we can say that the second front of the USSR and Japan was non-belligerent.

            and what did they provide?

            Contract

            Or was he not needed (if there were some groups)?
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA April 14 2021 18: 40
              +1
              Quote: Olgovich

              Or was he not needed (if there were some groups)?

              If there are groupings - no, no, it is needed. Bayonets guaranteed a much more effective peace. smile
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich April 14 2021 20: 55
                -4
                Quote: Alexey RA
                If there are groupings - no, no, it is needed. Bayonets guaranteed a much more effective peace.

                it means that the Turaks concluded him: they wasted their time, yes ...

                And in general, why - mines and treaties, if there are enough groupings request
                1. Alexey RA
                  Alexey RA April 15 2021 11: 26
                  +1
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  it means that the Turaks concluded him: they wasted their time, yes ...

                  And in general, why - mines and treaties, if there are enough groupings

                  For the Japanese army, any Treaty is not worth the paper on which it is written. As the practice of Southeast Asia has shown, they generally did not care about the shtafirik from the Foreign Ministry: for a long time and stubbornly diplomats created pro-Japanese puppet governments and armed forces in the occupied territories - so that one day they would find out that the army men introduced direct control, local politicians were arrested, and the troops were disarmed. And the Foreign Ministry was informed of the fact.
                  This is Japan of the 30s - here the issues of the resumption of war or an attack on a neighboring state are decided by the commander of the group in the theater of operations. smile
    2. max702
      max702 April 15 2021 11: 35
      -1
      Quote: Olgovich
      And Japan solved the most important task on the eve of the war with the United States and avoided a war on two fronts.

      Like this? How did it end? Or do you only draw conclusions based on the situation for a couple of years?
      Yapi lost the war, so nothing was avoided and this is a fact!
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 14 2021 05: 48
    +3
    The main thrust of the Japanese mission was the elimination of future allies from the USSR.
    1. Illanatol
      Illanatol April 14 2021 09: 14
      +2
      Did not work out.
  • Avior
    Avior April 14 2021 05: 57
    +9
    Japan has pledged to liquidate its concessions in Northern Sakhalin.

    In fact, the Japanese used concessions for oil production on Sakhalin almost until the end of the war, until 1944, when Japan entered into an agreement on the transfer of oil fields to the USSR, after which the USSR undertook to supply Japan a certain amount of oil from the fields on Sakhalin.
  • Revolver
    Revolver April 14 2021 06: 23
    +6
    In fact, the USSR avoided a war on two fronts because the United States established a sanctions regime against Japan, depriving it of access to a lot of things, and primarily to oil and oil products. Japan had no choice but to attack Pearl Harbor, because in six months they would have no fuel and lubricants to carry out this attack. And the Japanese wanted to fight on 2 fronts no more than the USSR. That is why Sorge learned that there would be no Japanese attack, and that is why Stalin was able to transfer the Far Eastern and Siberian divisions to Moscow at the end of 2. And without these divisions it is not known whether Moscow would have been defended or how.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 14 2021 07: 57
      -3
      Quote: Nagan
      Japan had no choice but to attack Pearl Harbor, because in six months they would have no fuel and lubricants to carry out this attack.

      Yes, there is an apocrypha, according to which Adm. Yamamoto sponsored (from his own pocket) some local Ostap Bender, who promised to drive fuel oil from sea water))
      Well, well, why should we attack P-X? Why not dash south, which is what was expected of them? After all, at the beginning of the 42nd, they seized the oil fields of Borneo and the surrounding area with the Shell and Standard refineries - by May the tojo had fulfilled an unattainable dream for Hitler - they became profitably independent with 18 million barrels a year. Without irritating the Yankees, they could calmly drag the yushka to the metropolis past the Philippines, MacArthur would have no reason to interfere with them. Well, sanctions - so what? This is not a war.
      1. apro
        apro April 14 2021 08: 16
        -6
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Well, well, why should we attack P-X?

        The paragraph is the biggest secret of Japan. It is clear that it is impossible to drive the colonial forces of the British. Dutchmen. And other Belgians until you kick the Amers.
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 14 2021 08: 30
        +2
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Without disconcerting the Yankees, could safely drag the yushka to the metropolis past the Philippines, MacArthur would have no reason to interfere with them.

        And who would give them?

        Not for this did the United States deprive them of oil supplies from some places, in order ... to allow them from others.

        therefore, the issue had to be resolved radically.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 14 2021 09: 09
          +3
          Quote: Olgovich
          And who would give them?

          Not for this did the United States deprive them of oil supplies from some places, in order ... to allow them from others.

          Well, formally, the Japanese were not deprived of any oil from the United States. The quota was at the level of 1936, only aviation gasoline was prohibited from exporting (since 1940). The point of Acheson's ploy was to freeze Japanese assets and obtain separate licenses for each transaction. Naturally, no licenses were issued, and the Japanese have not received a drop of American oil since August. The last two empty tankers left Los Angeles. In November. But if the Japanese had attacked the Dutch East Indies in the fall of 41, I do not think that the Americans would have immediately defended the Indonesian oil.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich April 14 2021 10: 59
            +2
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            ... But if the Japanese had attacked the Dutch East Indies in the fall of 41, I do not think that the Americans would have immediately defended the Indonesian oil.

            and the Japanese were sure of this, hence the PX
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA April 14 2021 11: 26
            +4
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            But if the Japanese had attacked the Dutch East Indies in the fall of 41, I do not think that the Americans would have immediately defended the Indonesian oil.

            The Americans took the Dutch colony in Southeast Asia under their wing at the beginning of 1941.
            When a large new Japanese mission arrived in Batavia in January 1941, French Indochina was already subdued, and Thailand was firmly attached to Japan. On the islands of Taiwan and Hainan, Japanese divisions were concentrated and trained for war in tropical conditions. The tone of the new mission has become much more aggressive. It is not surprising that the negotiations, which dragged on with a creak until early summer, were interrupted. In the spring, a group of American pilot-instructors flew to Batavia, there were constant consultations with the allies, and the position of both the Dutch and the Americans became more and more irreconcilable. This position became even more firm after June 22, 1941.
            (...)
            On July 26, the United States responded by taking a decision to freeze all Japanese deposits in American banks. The government of the Netherlands India did the same.
            © Mozheiko
          3. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine April 14 2021 19: 49
            0
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            But if the Japanese had attacked the Dutch East Indies in the fall of 41, I do not think that the Americans would have immediately defended the Indonesian oil.

            Yes, this is highly unlikely. But the Japanese, shall we say, insured themselves.

            Didn't guess a little bit.
      3. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA April 14 2021 11: 10
        +5
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Well, well, why should we attack P-X? Why not dash south, which is what was expected of them?

        So they rushed south - this was the main direction of the attack.
        The Pearl Harbor attack, for all its publicity, was only an auxiliary strike designed to remove the threat from the USN Pacific Fleet during the construction of the Perimeter.
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Without irritating the Yankees, they could safely drag the yushka to the metropolis past the Philippines, MacArthur would have no reason to interfere with them.

        Where to get something from? All deposits in those parts belong either to allied Britain or to the remnants of the Netherlands protected by the United States. Before the war, the Japanese tried to poke their attention to the Dutch through diplomatic channels - so the United States immediately cut off all the possibilities of oil supplies to them.
        Moreover, it was in the Philippines that the Yankees were preparing provocations that would allow them to enter the war as an attacked side. But Kristobal Hosevich managed earlier. ©
        1. Tuzik
          Tuzik April 14 2021 20: 36
          0
          The Pearl Harbor attack, for all its publicity, was only an auxiliary strike designed to remove the threat from the USN Pacific Fleet during the construction of the Perimeter.

          Why did the Japanese not consider capturing PX? It was possible, wasn't it? We would have taken control of all TO for a long time.
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine April 14 2021 22: 03
            0
            Is it trolling or is it your first visit to the Internet? Like judging by the userpic registered 3 years ago.

            No, it was not possible to capture the main base of the Pacific Fleet.
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA April 15 2021 11: 35
            +1
            Quote: Tuzik
            Why did the Japanese not consider capturing PX? It was possible, wasn't it? We would have taken control of all TO for a long time.

            The landing on Oahu is at least two divisions. That is, more than a hundred transports and tankers.
            And this armada must be found somewhere, covertly (without using radio communication) led through the ocean (in conditions of poor visibility and storms) and brought to the shore immediately after the first raid. Yes, on the way, they will simply find it in the smoke. smile
            Plus problems with replenishing the ammo and repairing damaged ships. For 1941, the first one needs at least a closed parking lot. The nearest one is again across the ocean. And there you will have to drag the wounded animals.
            In short, it's hard to find a better gift for the Yankees than the landing on Oahu. smile
            1. Tuzik
              Tuzik April 15 2021 17: 28
              0
              Ok thanks
            2. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine April 15 2021 20: 14
              0
              Quote: Alexey RA
              The landing on Oahu is at least two divisions

              Oahu has 40 thousand soldiers and 30-35 thousand sailors. Have you decided to move the kamikaze 3 years to the left and introduce penal divisions?
    2. Illanatol
      Illanatol April 14 2021 09: 24
      +4
      Actually, in fact, Japan started a war with the USSR before it attacked Pearl Harbor.
      But "reconnaissance in force" did not produce the results that Japan had hoped for. The Red Army turned out to be stronger (Khalkhin-Gol), and the diplomacy of the USSR - more skillful (very timely PMR) than the Japanese believed.
      The Japanese perceived the conclusion of a pact with the USSR by Hitler as a betrayal of their own interests. Hitler made it clear that he didn't care about Japan and was an unreliable ally. To drag chestnuts out of the fire for such an ally is really unreasonable.
      If Japan ran out of oil in six months, it would have surrendered in six months. But she capitulated a little later. Do not thicken the paint ...
      1. Revolver
        Revolver April 14 2021 09: 58
        +1
        Quote: Illanatol
        If Japan ran out of oil in six months, it would have surrendered in six months. But she capitulated a little later. Do not thicken the paint

        That is why it did not end six months later, because the American battleships could no longer prevent the Japanese from pocketing oil in the colonies of European countries in Asia and transporting it to their islands. According to the plan, finally, the American aircraft carriers were supposed to sink along with the battleships, but for some reason, at the right time, for some reason they went to sea. And if the Japanese attacked a couple of weeks earlier or later, the aircraft carriers would have shared the fate of the battleships.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 14 2021 12: 26
          +3
          Quote: Nagan
          According to the plan, finally, the American aircraft carriers were supposed to sink along with the battleships, but for some reason, at the right time, for some reason they went to sea.

          It's just that the Pacific Fleet command, in the light of the growing tension, took care of the urgent strengthening of the aviation of the forward bases. As a result, AB were used as high-speed air transport. Before 07.12.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX "Big E" took planes to Wake, "Lex" - to Midway.
          Do not forget that in 1941 the aircraft carrier for the majority of the naval was a reconnaissance and counterintelligence ship (preventing enemy reconnaissance aircraft and destroying their carriers) in the interests of the main forces of the fleet - the line squadron. That is, somewhere on the level of the "big scout". smile
          Quote: Nagan
          And if the Japanese attacked a couple of weeks earlier or later, the aircraft carriers would have shared the fate of the battleships.

          And if the Japanese attacked a couple of weeks earlier or later, they could get exactly to the exercises of the Oahu air defense forces, which were often held on weekends. With a complete and operational detection network and air defense command post + with fighter patrols lifted into the air. And then everything is standard: the mark on the radar screen, the command post sends the nearest link to check whether it is an "enemy", screams on the air "they are shooting at us for real", loss of communication. And then - "combat alert, this is not an exercise."
  • ee2100
    ee2100 April 14 2021 06: 31
    +5
    Covenant and treaty. In one sources, they put equality between the above-named documents, it is argued that the word "pact" emphasizes its belittled meaning, while others, on the contrary, speak of its higher status in comparison with "just" a treaty.
    The document in question is a "pact of neutrality" in the Japanese version, the word "pact" is not at all /http://doc20vek.ru/node/1373/
  • parusnik
    parusnik April 14 2021 06: 38
    +12
    Uh-huh, and I, Samsonov, recognize him by his gait.
    Russia returned to the issue of returning its ancestral lands and restoring strategic positions in the Far East when victory over the Third Reich in Europe became inevitable.
    comes out on May 9 we celebrate the Victory of Russia in the Second World War. There was no USSR. The Provisional Government, headed by Kerensky, instructed managers Lenin and Stalin to carry out reforms? laughing
    1. apro
      apro April 14 2021 06: 44
      -5
      Quote: parusnik
      The Provisional Government, headed by Kerensky, instructed managers Lenin and Stalin to carry out reforms?

      And they were brought in the wrong place ... and the reforms had to be rolled back. On a truly Russian path ... there are no words.
      The author is clearly not breathing evenly towards the successes of the Soviet, and does not find anything better than to constantly erase Russianness.
      1. Catfish
        Catfish April 14 2021 07: 39
        +5
        Do you have anything specifically against the Russians?
        Or did not such a state as Russia exist until 1917?
        How many centuries did Russia exist, and how many decades did the USSR exist?
        Aren't you tired of doing verbiage on the subject of the USSR and Russia? You will remember about the agents of imperialism and in general it will be fine. You are engaged in outright Russophobia under the guise of a sort of longing for the untimely deceased Soviets.
        1. apro
          apro April 14 2021 08: 08
          -3
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Do you have anything specifically against the Russians?

          I can't understand ... who they work for.
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Or did not such a state as Russia exist until 1917?

          Even as it existed and the results of activities are known, the defeat in the Russo-Japanese War, in the WWII and the Civil War.
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Aren't you tired of doing verbiage on the subject of the USSR and Russia?

          These are two different countries, both in kissing and in methods of achieving goals, and equating them is not acceptable.
          Quote: Sea Cat
          blatant Russophobia

          Outright Russophobia today is mainly practiced by Russians, dividing their people into friends and foes.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish April 14 2021 08: 15
            0
            Even as it existed and the results of activities are known, the defeat in the Russo-Japanese War, in the WWII and the Civil War.

            And before the Russo-Japanese war, there were no other wars? laughing

            Regarding the First World War, or rather the defeat of Russia in it, if possible, in more detail, please. For me personally, this is good news.

            Outright Russophobia today is mainly practiced by Russians, dividing their people into friends and foes.

            Well, your self-criticism is commendable. good
            1. apro
              apro April 14 2021 08: 52
              -2
              Quote: Sea Cat
              For me personally, this is good news.

              Commendable humility ...
              Quote: Sea Cat
              Well, your self-criticism is commendable.

              For Soviet people, all people are brothers and sisters. What criticism?
              1. Catfish
                Catfish April 14 2021 09: 11
                -3
                Commendable humility ...

                I believe that all people who know the history of the First World War "suffer" from such modesty.
                Well, if you mean the Brest Peace, then it was the Bolsheviks who surrendered the front to the Germans.

                For the Soviets, all people are brothers and sisters ...

                Chechen bandits too?
                1. apro
                  apro April 14 2021 09: 20
                  +1
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  Chechen bandits too?

                  Both Chechens, Poles, Ukrainians, and Chinese, and the Soviets knew how to deal with bandits.
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  then it was the Bolsheviks who surrendered the front to the Germans.

                  This is exactly on the threshold of the greatest Russian victory near Berlin and Vienna.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish April 14 2021 09: 27
                    -1
                    Both Chechens, Poles, Ukrainians, and Chinese, and the Soviets knew how to deal with bandits.

                    Actually, the Chechens were sent to the edreni hair dryer, the Poles were shot - I approve.
                    But with Bandera did not work out, did not bring it to the end.
                    This is exactly on the threshold of the greatest Russian victory near Berlin and Vienna.

                    And ... so the capture of Berlin was planned by the Council of People's Commissars back in 1918? laughing
                    And you dragged Vienna to the heap? Then let's go there and all the other capitals such as Budapest, etc.
                    1. apro
                      apro April 14 2021 09: 31
                      0
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      Actually, the Chechens were sent to the edreni hair dryer, the Poles were shot - I approve.

                      You are bloodthirsty. These are military extreme measures. There was no other way out.
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      And ... so the capture of Berlin was planned by the Council of People's Commissars back in 1918?

                      The Soviets are not the initiators and not the participants in the imperialist wars of conquest, it is to the Russians.
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish April 14 2021 09: 41
                        +1
                        You are bloodthirsty cat ...

                        I am rational, as soon as these "little but proud" people were brought back, the massacre began right there in the Caucasus.
                        The Soviets are not the initiators or participants in the invading imperialist wars ...

                        About the Finnish war 39-40 what do you think? Although I can guess.
                        ... this is for the Russians.

                        I say that you are a Russophobe, and an outspoken one.
                      2. apro
                        apro April 14 2021 09: 48
                        0
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        right there in the Caucasus, the massacre began.

                        The massacre began with the destruction of the USSR, when the Russians regained control of the territory.
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Although I can guess.

                        Yes .. yes ... white fluffy Finland suffered nizachto. Mobilized an army with dreams of a great Karelia. And in gratitude to this the Russians screwed Mannerheim a plate in St. Petersburg.
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        I say that you are a Russophobe, and an outspoken one.

                        I am Soviet. I have racial prejudices to nobody. This is for your part. Who has the shape of the skull is not the same. The cut of the eyes is not there.
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish April 14 2021 10: 20
                        0
                        The massacre began with the destruction of the USSR ...

                        The USSR self-destructed, Mishka Gorbachev was dragged into the Politburo by none other than Andropov, his creature.
                        ... and in gratitude for this, the Russians screwed Mannerheim a plate in St. Petersburg.

                        Did you have time to check their documents? laughing
                        ... this is your part. for someone whose skull shape is not the same. for the cut of the eyes in the wrong direction.

                        As far as I remember, this is what they were doing in Nazi Germany, are you also trying to accuse me of outright fascism? Well, well, the flag is in your hands.
                      4. apro
                        apro April 14 2021 10: 24
                        +3
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        USSR self-destructed,

                        Yes ... it's not us ... it itself ... I believe, I believe you.
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Did you have time to check their documents?

                        It is inconvenient to ask the Russian minister and the representative of the Russian president for documents. They will not understand correctly.
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Are you trying to accuse me of outright fascism?

                        Nationalists are no different from Nazis.
                      5. Catfish
                        Catfish April 14 2021 10: 31
                        0
                        . I believe. I believe.

                        Don't, I'm not an oracle.
                        ask documents.

                        "Most often, the prophet Samuel is asked the question, are you not a Jew?" (C)
                        Nationalists are no different from Nazis.

                        The trick is that there is not a drop of Russian blood in me, a good cocktail is mixed, but there is no Russian. request
                        So with all your desire, I can’t be a Russian nationalist, I’m sorry. laughing
                      6. apro
                        apro April 14 2021 10: 35
                        +3
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Most often, the prophet Samuel is asked the question, are you not a Jew? "(C)

                        Do you want to say the Jews in the Russian government ??? what were they fighting for?!?!?
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        So with all your desire, I can’t be a Russian nationalist, I’m sorry.

                        This is not a question of blood; it is a matter of goal setting and priorities.
              2. Foul skeptic
                Foul skeptic April 14 2021 13: 18
                +2
                Regarding the First World War, or rather the defeat of Russia in it, if possible, in more detail

                What details are needed here? The state of the Russian Empire, which entered the war, did not come out of this war. If this is a victory for you, then the German Reich did not lose in WWI then, since the republic had already signed the peace treaty in Compiegne. good
                About the Finnish war 39-40 what do you think?

                The question was not addressed to me, but I will say that only a very active imagination will call this war imperialist in the sense in which this concept was presented, both before 1914 and before 1939.
  • Illanatol
    Illanatol April 14 2021 09: 29
    +3
    there were no other wars before the Russo-Japanese War?


    There were wars with Napoleon, when the Russians helped England to enlarge their colonial possessions with their blood.
    There was also the Crimean War, which clearly showed how Europeans relate to Russia.
    We also freed the Bulgarians and Greeks from Turkish oppression. Our "Orthodox brothers" in a very peculiar way thanked Russia for their liberation. The Greeks firmly lay under the Anglo-Saxons, the Bulgarians were in the camp of opponents in two world wars.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish April 14 2021 09: 36
      -3
      Thank you, enlightened, for the first time I found out about all this. laughing
      1. Illanatol
        Illanatol April 14 2021 14: 00
        +1
        It looks like it.
        There is a trend. Even if the war is successful for the Republic of Ingushetia, it is losing in terms of politics.
        Maybe you should have changed something at the conservatory?
        So they changed it. And the USSR, under Stalin, was quite able to reap the fruits of its victories.
        Non-Romanovs ...
  • dzvero
    dzvero April 14 2021 08: 20
    +4
    It is just that someone is unaware that all over the world "USSR" and "Russia" were synonymous (except in official documents).
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA April 14 2021 12: 48
    +2
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Do you have anything specifically against the Russians?
    Or did not such a state as Russia exist until 1917?

    It's not that someone has something against Russia and the Russians.
    The fact is that before 1917 the concept Russia и русские belonged to the entire territory of the Empire. And after 1917 - only to the RSFSR. And calling the Red Army Russian army, we sort of delete the other 15 republics of the USSR from it.
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir April 14 2021 07: 39
    +6
    The Provisional Government, headed by Kerensky, instructed managers Lenin and Stalin to carry out reforms?
    Literally the day before yesterday it turned out that he flew into space. not a Soviet person, but our compatriot... That is, there was no Soviet Union, just the Russian Yura Gagarin, planted a spaceship in the garden, and flew into space on it.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 14 2021 08: 57
      -4
      Quote: Gardamir
      Literally the day before yesterday it turned out that he flew into space. not a Soviet person, but our compatriot.
      In accordance with the Federal Law of May 24.05.1999, 99 No. XNUMX-FZ, compatriots are (are recognized): persons born in one state, living in it. Also compatriots are also recognized as persons and their descendants living outside the territory of the Russian Federation and belonging, as a rule, to peoples historically living in the territory of the Russian Federation, as well as those who have made a free choice in favor of spiritual, cultural and legal ties with the Russian Federation, whose relatives in a straight ascending line previously lived in the territory of the Russian Federation.
      But nothing is said about nationality.
  • Unknown
    Unknown April 14 2021 07: 44
    +5
    Not everything is as simplistic as it seems to Samsonov. The peace treaty of Japan was needed no less than the USSR. Japan is an island country, and the development of the Navy is a primary task, only then comes the land army. The navy and army in Japan fought among themselves for influence on the emperor and on the policies pursued by the country. Yes, the contradictions between the United States and Japan began to gain momentum. The position of the United States in the Asia-Pacific region noticeably strengthened after the final commissioning of the Panama Canal in the summer of 1920 - now its navy no longer needed to go around the whole of Latin America on its way from the Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific.

    The United States hoped that Japan, whose economy was an order of magnitude weaker than the American one, would not be able to keep up with the pace of building its fleet. However, Tokyo accepted the American challenge and embarked on an ambitious and costly naval program, which included the construction of 8 battleships, 8 cruisers and a large number of other warships. The unfolding naval arms race could lead to a military clash between the two powers, and by 1920 the threat of conflict had become quite real. The army began to pay less attention, the supporters of the war at sea won. And most importantly, the Japanese army waged a war with China, tried its hand with the Soviet Union, on Khalkhin Gol, and there were no particular successes. The Sino-Japanese War began in 1937 and until the 45th year. This was the second front in the APR, in which the Japanese were bogged down to their ears. And they supported the Chinese, the USA and the USSR. The Japanese army did not climb deep into China
    limiting their actions to the coast while relying on a powerful fleet. It is worth looking at the armored vehicles of the Japanese
    and to conclude the main thing was the fleet
    To fight on land with the USSR is hopeless, J.V. Stalin understood this, and the Japanese, too, and about Sakhalin, a usual diplomatic trick, to probe the mood of the Russians, about what, if anything, you can bargain.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish April 14 2021 08: 24
      +3
      Yes, here you are right, the tanks of the Japanese, apart from bitter tears of regret, did not evoke any other emotions.

      Type89 "I-go"
      But the ships were really good.

      "Yamato"
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter April 14 2021 08: 29
        +4
        Quote: Sea Cat
        But the ships were really good.

        And planes

        Mitsubishi А6М3-zero
        1. Catfish
          Catfish April 14 2021 08: 39
          +2
          True, the planes were also good, but the small arms, field artillery and ship electronics in the outsiders cooled off. negative
          Look at this freak, it's not like shooting from him, it's disgusting to take him into your hands. (Nambu. Type-94)
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter April 14 2021 08: 41
            +6
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Look at this freak, it's not like shooting from him, it's disgusting to take him into your hands. (Nambu. Type-94)

            Product from dad carlo wassat Therefore, they did not shoot, and stuck a sword in the belly laughing
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 14 2021 13: 41
          +3
          Quote: Stroporez
          And planes

          Fleet. smile
          IJN met the outbreak of war with Zero. IJA - just started rearming on Hayabusy (based on Ki-27, armed with a pair of rifle caliber machine guns).
    2. Illanatol
      Illanatol April 14 2021 09: 33
      +3
      Japan is an island country, and the development of the Navy is a primary task, only then comes the land army.


      The Japanese still had to fight on land. After all, the necessary resources (metal, energy, labor) are still located on land.
      And that the tanks were weak - after all, the opponents were also not very powerful then.
      And let's not forget about aviation. She was quite developed in Japan and not only deck.
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 14 2021 08: 41
    +2
    Did Matsuoka say after learning about the German attack on the USSR:
    I signed the Neutrality Pact because I thought there would be no war between Germany and Russia. If I knew that the war would start, I would never have signed the Neutrality Pact.

    ??
    By the way, he was kicked out of office in July 1941, because, being in Berlin, he, like, did not promote the Fuhrer to declassify the Barbarossa plan for Japan.
    1. clerk
      clerk April 14 2021 09: 09
      +2
      ... By the way, he was kicked out of office in July 1941, because, being in Berlin, he, like, did not promote the Fuhrer to declassify the Barbarossa plan for Japan.
      Like Japan from an attack on the USSR in 1941-42 was kept by a treaty, and not by 1 million Red Army groupings in Transbaikalia and in the Far East. laughing
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 14 2021 09: 30
        +1
        Quote: clerk
        Like Japan from an attack on the USSR in 1941-42 was kept by a treaty

        And what amuses you? Well, why the hell did they sign the contract in April 41, if it was just possible to keep
        Quote: clerk
        1 million grouping of the Red Army in Transbaikalia and the Far East.

        and it's in the bag? Something Hitler was not "kept" by the "3 million grouping of the Red Army" in June. And in 41-42 years, Japan was no longer up to the USSR and any "northern strategies" were, in fact. And already in the 42nd Kwantung Army they regularly plucked, taking people and equipment to bury in the Philippines.
        1. clerk
          clerk April 14 2021 12: 16
          +2
          ... Like Japan from an attack on the USSR in 1941-42 was kept by a treaty

          And what amuses you? Well, why the hell did they sign the contract in April 41, if it was just possible to keep
          With a contract, certainty is higher and the risk of accidents is less.
          1 million grouping of the Red Army in Transbaikalia and the Far East.

          and it's in the bag? Something Hitler was not "kept" by the "3 million grouping of the Red Army" in June.
          Naturally. After all, Gitelr & Co. had 5 million, not 0,3 million as in the Kwantung Army.
          ... And in 41-42 years, Japan was no longer up to the USSR and any "northern strategies". And in the 42nd Kwantung Army they regularly plucked, taking people and equipment to bury in the Philippines.
          And they "plucked" from 300 thousand in 1941 to 700 thousand in 1945.
          1. Dmitry V.
            Dmitry V. April 15 2021 10: 38
            0
            Quote: clerk
            And they "plucked" from 300 thousand in 1941 to 700 thousand in 1945.


            It is a myth.
            There were no 700 thousand in the Kwantung army in 1945.
  • clerk
    clerk April 14 2021 09: 05
    +6
    The author is trying to pull the owl onto the globe. The USSR avoided a war on two fronts by signing a Non-Aggression Pact with Germany against the backdrop of the victory at Khalkhin Gol. This destroyed the German-Japanese alliance against the USSR. The treaty with Japan in 1941 only fixed this status quo and only Japan needed it in case of its war with the United States.
  • Alexey RA
    Alexey RA April 14 2021 10: 56
    0
    The Japanese also aimed at the Russian lands. They already tried to take over the Russian Far East during the Russian Civil War. However, then their plans failed. In 1938-1939. the Japanese army made a number of attempts to invade Mongolia (allied with the USSR) and the Far East.

    Not the Japanese army, but part of it - the Kwantung Army.
    The author represents Japan as a monolith with common goals. In fact, apart from the traditional "army-navy" confrontation, the army itself was not united. The army men and the financial and industrial groups supporting them resembled a swan, crayfish and pike: the expeditionary forces were pulling to China, the Kwantungs to the north, and the General Staff tried to somehow bring the wishes of the field commanders in line with reality. The same Kwantung Army actually fought on its own - the Metropolis practically did not provide assistance, trying to limit the scale of conflicts in order to prevent them from escalating into a full-fledged war.
  • BAI
    BAI April 14 2021 13: 51
    +3
    Since the summer of 1940, the Japanese government, aiming at domination in Asia, sought to quickly normalize relations with Moscow, to avoid a war on two fronts.

    Well, that's the answer. Neither the USSR nor Japan wanted war. Interests converged, there was no war. In 1945, the USSR no longer had the problem of 2 fronts.
  • Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 April 14 2021 23: 05
    0
    I think that on this fact (not Japan's attack on the territory of the Soviet Union) several circumstances acted.
    Earlier, in 1925, the Soviet-Japanese convention was signed in Beijing, which established diplomatic and consular relations and returned Northern Sakhalin. Soviet diplomats played an important role in this, I think thanks to them the United States also influenced Japan.
    The fighting on Khasan and Khalkhin Gol also showed the fighting efficiency of the Soviet Union.
    The declaration of war on Germany by France and Britain in September 1939 most likely gave Japan reason to believe that the attention (military, material, human and financial resources) of France and Britain would be diverted to the European theater of operations, to the detriment of their territories in Southeast Asia.
    Obtaining resources from the Soviet Union (timber, coal, oil, aquatic biological resources) in 1939-44 were also necessary.
    The signing of the Soviet-German non-aggression pact was most likely unexpected for the Japanese.
    Previously I watched the documentary "Bomb for Japan. Save the Far East":

  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. April 15 2021 10: 21
    +2
    It did not depend on Stalin in any way.
    The Japanese needed oil for the fleet - and only Singapore could provide it. Therefore, the Japanese government chose the southern direction of expansion, since the northern direction did not give them anything in material terms and promised great losses.
  • NF68
    NF68 April 16 2021 16: 45
    +1
    Enlightened the Japanese as it should, and the bottom of the hunt disappeared.
  • VS
    VS April 16 2021 18: 47
    -2
    Japan did not attack the SSR together with Hitler only because it was not the SSR but Germany that attacked first))) This condition allowed Tokyo to disengage from Hitler's calls to attack the SSR throughout the war)))
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 30 June 2021 10: 23
    0
    Quote: max702
    Speak at the same time as Hitler could well have been the winners ..

    They (Rome, Berlin and Tokyo) could never win against the USSR, China, the USA and Britain. Japan has already been hit by a war with China since the summer of 1937, and you also want a war with the USSR in a dead-end direction (the Far East, Siberia) and a war with the United States and Britain in the Pacific Ocean. The only thing that could have done, maybe a bit, better than the Japanese in 1942 attack on the Persian Gulf together with the Germans and Italians. But complete victory there did not mean victory in the war.
    No need to hammer that with the victory of Germany over the USSR, things did not get better for Japan. Germany was beating China's ally and was preparing itself for a conflict with Japan.