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Aliyev: We are waiting for an answer to the question of how the Iskander-M missiles ended up in the hands of the Armenian army

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President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev today held a ceremony of opening a park of war trophies, which were obtained by the Azerbaijani military during the war in Nagorno-Karabakh. The most resonant exhibit is the wreckage of the rocket, which Aliyev himself called the wreckage of the Iskander-M rocket. This information is also reflected on the stand. According to the President of Azerbaijan, these missiles were fired at the city of Shusha by the Armenian side.


During the opening of the military trophy park, Ilham Aliyev said that "he is waiting for an answer to the question of how Armenia got the missiles that it should not have."

Aliev:

We are waiting for an answer to the question of how these missiles, Iskander-M missiles, ended up in the hands of the Armenian army.

At the same time, the Azerbaijani leader did not specify from whom exactly this answer he expects.


Against the background of trophy Armenian license plates


A few days earlier, when information about the Iskander-M missile debris at the disposal of the Azerbaijani troops began to be actively circulated in the press and the blogosphere, the press secretary of the Russian President Dmitry Peskov said that the Kremlin did not have information on this matter.

Earlier, Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan said that "the Iskander missiles showed themselves in an inappropriate manner." Then, according to Pashinyan, they "worked by 10 percent." These words of the Armenian prime minister caused a scandal, after which he said that he was "misinformed." It is noteworthy that at first such a formulation was used in a presumptive manner in the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces.

Returning to the statement of Ilham Aliyev, it should be noted that the Azerbaijani president stated that Baku had data “where did the Armenian troops get the missiles from”. At the same time, Aliyev pointedly added that the Azerbaijani authorities "will wait for official explanations."

A few photos from the opening of the war trophy park:



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  1. urik62
    urik62 April 12 2021 16: 23
    +112
    Let the first answer who flunked our helicopter.
    1. credo
      credo April 12 2021 16: 33
      +4
      Quote: urik62
      Let the first answer who flunked our helicopter.

      I think if he has something to do, then this question (about Iskander) should not be woken up.
      The country is not rich, but life is a complicated thing and the answer to the question may not be so important for him when it is necessary to establish life in Karabakh.
      1. Patigorsk2020
        Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 20: 57
        +10
        Quote: credo
        The country is not rich, but life is a complicated thing and the answer to the question may not be so important for him when it is necessary to establish life in Karabakh.

        The foreign exchange reserve (exclusively green) is more than 50 billion. For a small country, it is far from small.

        Quote: credo
        when you need to improve life in Karabakh.

        I agree with you. Now look at the photo and tell me to improve my life with these? They post it, saying that the future generation will take revenge.

        1. Shurik70
          Shurik70 April 12 2021 21: 33
          +12
          Any country, having suffered defeat in a war and having lost part of its territory, but retaining itself, always restores the army and conducts military training for children.
          This is normal.
          And if you do not establish economic ties, but, on the contrary, try to crush in every possible way - it will be like with Germany. There, too, the winners in the 1st World War were not satisfied with the defeat of Germany and the occupied territories, they pressed reparations and said "how can you negotiate with the Germans?" And they got the 2nd World War.
          1. Patigorsk2020
            Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 21: 47
            -5
            Quote: Shurik70
            Any country, having suffered defeat in a war and having lost part of its territory, but retaining itself, always restores the army and conducts military training for children.

            That is, they will tell Azerbaijan to live peacefully, but will they hold a knife behind its back? This is normal? What else is the 1st World War? You would still remember the pharaohs. In the courtyard of the 21st century. Armenians have already been forgiven twice !!! and once every 50-70 years they endure a bloody massacre. I repeat two times already. I believe that the weaker the Armenians are, the calmer the region will be. As we see Azerbaijan will not give Karabakh to the Armenians. They don't really live in Armenia. From the 90s to the present day, according to statistics, almost 2 million Armenians have emigrated and give them Karabakh. They don't really live at home.
            1. Graz
              Graz April 13 2021 02: 15
              -16%
              Russia is now in Karabakh. not Azerbaijan, you won't get it anymore
              1. Patigorsk2020
                Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 07: 29
                -1
                Quote: Graz
                Russia is now in Karabakh. not Azerbaijan, you won't get it anymore

                That is, you say that we wanted to spit on international law, we also spit on Putin's words, and after mine clearance, the Azerbaijani people (refugees) will not return there? Do you officially declare that Azerbaijan is an enemy?
                1. sifgame
                  sifgame April 13 2021 12: 04
                  +8
                  How can he make an official statement? his face is not official))
                  1. Shurik70
                    Shurik70 April 13 2021 20: 32
                    0
                    Armenia lost Karabakh. It is a fact.
                    Russia there no direct benefit... There is no way to put a permanent military base there, there is no economic benefit. So Russia has only two goals there - to prevent the massacre from developing, and to prevent Turkey from establishing a permanent base there.
                    For Russia, the presence in Karabakh is only a cost... So the Russians will leave there. In ten years.
                    1. Nagan Nagano
                      Nagan Nagano April 14 2021 13: 37
                      -3
                      What is the direct benefit from the presence of Russian troops in Transnistria
            2. Graz
              Graz April 13 2021 02: 23
              +5
              and yes, Turkey in the Caucasus is a 100% enemy for Russia, therefore Azerbaijan is automatically converted to the same quality and Armenia does not play a role here at all, whether it is pro-Russian or not, Turkey in the Caucasus and its allies is an enemy
              1. Patigorsk2020
                Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 07: 30
                -5
                Quote: Graz
                and yes, Turkey in the Caucasus is a 100% enemy for Russia, therefore Azerbaijan is turning into the same quality automatically

                with such thoughts, you will go far ..... it's good that you are not in the Kremlin. Your chauvinism is rushing.
                1. Vanyusha
                  Vanyusha April 13 2021 17: 56
                  0
                  Azerbaijan, led by Aliyev, has become Erdogan's most important ally, whose Mind-horses will gallop to no one knows where. And if they jump at us, then Aliyev yoke.
              2. Lyuba1965_01
                Lyuba1965_01 April 15 2021 23: 09
                0
                Let the woman interfere with the men’s conversation and put in her five kopecks.
                Enemy Turkey or not, but Russia needs it now.
                In addition, one should not forget that it was England that always fought with Russia by the hands of the Turks.
                It was in the history of Turkey and the Russian Empire that they acted as allies.
                It was also the fact that sometimes Russia attacked Turkey first.
                So, as you can see, not everything is so simple.
                If you consider Turkey an enemy, half of the world has always been enemies of the Russians, they attacked it, and Turkey is not alone in this.
                However, for some reason it is Turkey that is perceived as enemy number 1, although Russia had and still has more terrible enemies.
                Why so - I can not understand, because Turkey did not do anything in relation to Russia, which would not be done by other countries, and the same England itself.
                Well, you can also recall the words of a far from stupid person, William Pitt Jr.: "The thought that any people can be the natural and eternal enemy of another is a completely
                childish ".
                One must reckon with the circumstances that are developing in the world, and not live with eternal enmity.
                Moreover, I repeat, Russia needs Turkey, perhaps that is why Putin reacted so condescendingly to the fact that Turkey shot down a Russian plane, Ambassador Karlov was killed in Turkey, etc.
            3. yehat2
              yehat2 April 13 2021 10: 11
              +5
              The Armenians got what they deserved for 2 reasons.
              1.they were exactly the same as Azerbaijan enthusiastically engaged in ethnic cleansing
              2. When Azerbaijan proposed a normal solution to the tension on the border, Armenia refused.
              One can argue that Pashinyan, Sargsyan is to blame, or the Russian Federation is to blame for everything, but the Armenians themselves provoked the conflict - this is a fact, while forgetting that the neighbor is much more powerful than themselves.
              Of course, you can try to take revenge, but to whom and for what?
              Why did so many Armenians die? Not only because they were shot at, they had not yet been taught how to survive and were often stupidly thrown into battle like cannon fodder. Should Azerbaijan take revenge for this too? I do not like the way Aliyev began to troll and break worthy promises not to go overboard against the Armenians after the victory on trifles. But those Armenians who are preparing a new fight with absolutely no chance of anything positive for the people - what should you call them?
              Patriots? No, no!
              1. Patigorsk2020
                Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 13: 56
                +1
                Quote: yehat2
                they were exactly the same as Azerbaijan enthusiastically engaged in ethnic cleansing

                Do you even know that more than 50K Armenians live in Azerbaijan? Azerbaijan is not a mono-national country. So please do not write disinformation. Otherwise, according to your words, it turns out that the Azerbaijanis drove out the Armenians (although there are a million refugees from Azerbaijan and not from Armenia) and decided to self-determine on their own land. Absurd. Therefore, I beg you not to write disinformation. Azerbaijan to whom you want a lecture will be held on multiculturalism.

                Quote: yehat2
                I don't like the way Aliyev started trolling

                Why do you have a one-sided look. It turns out that when the Armenians trolled the Azerbaijani side, they built a public toilet out of a number of cars, this is the norm, but as soon as Azerbaijan does it, we immediately became bad? There is a Russian saying that you sow and reap. Armenia was shown from the outside what it feels like when you are humiliated. That life can teach a lesson and you will be humiliated even worse. Look how they did ... and this is 1% of what they did ..... they even keep Azerbaijanis in slavery to this day ..... there are plenty of YouTube. So they deserved it all they got.
                1. yehat2
                  yehat2 April 13 2021 15: 20
                  +1
                  this is not child's play in who will take revenge on whom and will put a bunch more under the door
                  both sides are better off in peace
                  I don't like the trolling of Armenians either.
                  but after the victory, Aliyev made a number of statements, where he promised to refrain from "exaggeration"
                  and it sounded cool, but then he did not keep his promise. And angering the side of Armenia, he erodes the foundations of the world and his own conquests.
                2. Andrey Stavropolsky
                  Andrey Stavropolsky April 14 2021 15: 45
                  0
                  It's awesome to be a patriot of Armenia / Azerbaijan / Georgia, etc. sitting in Pyatigorsk. Why do you all love your homelands so much, but only from a distance?
      2. Mikhalych 70
        Mikhalych 70 April 13 2021 21: 46
        0
        And also for Aliks selling fruits in all districts of St. Petersburg, who consider themselves citizens of Russia and did not leave to fight because that its citizens are fighting for Azerbaijan. " If these Aliki accidentally get acquainted with the concept of "Stolypin carriage" on the way to the homeland of their ancestors, it will not seem little to them. Therefore, I believe that, after all, the Soviet graduate of MGIMO, Mr. Aliyev, will consider the question of business in service as rhetorical. And some countries, manufacturers of this type of weapons, will not rush to answer.
    2. Spike Javelin Touvich
      Spike Javelin Touvich April 12 2021 16: 41
      -39%
      Let's say that Azerbaijan And whatoooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      have tomatoes disappeared from the market? or Belarusian
      1. 210ox
        210ox April 12 2021 16: 46
        +18
        Yes! Where does Azerbaijan get the "Polonaises"? Precisely from there and the Iskander. From military cooperation.
        1. YOUR
          YOUR April 13 2021 01: 06
          +7
          One might think Aliyev did not know that Armenia has Iskander. Russia and Armenia do not have a common border, all weapons and equipment go by rail through Azerbaijan. Yes, they, the Azerbaijanis, know the number of weapons in Armenia to the last screw.
          In this regard, Pashenyan's position, which is often openly anti-Russian, is not clear. Imagine that the Russian Federation completely left the region, stopped supporting Armenia, in a dozen years without any b / d this country would have remained only in memories and on old maps.
          1. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 April 13 2021 08: 05
            +3
            Quote: YOUR
            One might think Aliyev did not know that Armenia has Iskander. Russia and Armenia do not have a common border, all weapons and equipment go by rail through Azerbaijan. Yes, they, the Azerbaijanis, know the number of weapons in Armenia to the last screw.
            In this regard, Pashenyan's position, which is often openly anti-Russian, is not clear. Imagine that the Russian Federation completely left the region, stopped supporting Armenia, in a dozen years without any b / d this country would have remained only in memories and on old maps.

            You do not take into account that Iskander can be transferred to Gyumri to the Russian base by airplanes, and then overtake Armenia
            1. YOUR
              YOUR April 13 2021 16: 30
              +3
              The fact that the Iskanders are in Armenia was known back in 2016.They were shown at the parade. Delivering them by air will be too fatty. Armenia has 4 Iskander OTRK. Each OTRK is 6 cars + missiles. Which are not on the launchers but in a separate container. This is how many flights had to be done in order to transfer only one complex in its entirety.
              Most likely, there are agreements with Azerbaijan according to which the goods transferred to Armenia but accompanied by our military units are not subject to inspection. Indeed, in addition to OTRK, there are also S-300, S-300V, Buki, Tora, T-90, T72, a bunch of Chinese equipment, incl. MLRS, our Hurricanes. And how much Russian transport they have.
              That they were all delivered by planes?
              It may very well be that something was delivered to them through Iran, but still most of the equipment by rail through Azerbaijan
        2. vik669
          vik669 April 13 2021 16: 20
          0
          Why didn't they see from Turkish drones or something from where - but everything from the same place!
      2. credo
        credo April 12 2021 17: 19
        -22%
        Quote: Spikes Javelin Touvich
        Let's say that Azerbaijan And whatoooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        have tomatoes disappeared from the market? or Belarusian

        As wise Pu said (as my Asian friends respectfully call the President of Russia) - "They won't get off with tomatoes alone."
        1. Spike Javelin Touvich
          Spike Javelin Touvich April 12 2021 17: 22
          -10%
          As wise Pu said (as my Asian friends respectfully call the President of Russia) - "They won't get off with tomatoes alone."

          who would argue, the main thing is to be on the alert and prepare during
      3. the most important
        the most important April 12 2021 18: 49
        0
        Quote: Spike Javelin Touvich
        Let's say that Azerbaijan And whatoooo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        And the fact that there is a proverb in the Russian language: "No matter how long the string twists, it will still end up around the neck." Years may pass before this moment, but there is no doubt that it will come.
    3. smart ass
      smart ass April 12 2021 16: 49
      +10
      Well, the Armenians bought Iskander from the manufacturer, and then what?
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 April 12 2021 17: 19
        +16
        This is elementary. wink
        There is a treaty on limiting the proliferation of missile technologies. It spelled out a maximum range of 300 km.
        Russia has signed it and is implementing it.
        The Brahmos, for example, flew more than 300 km when India signed the Treaty. Well, the Indians themselves make Bramos.
        The missiles under the Treaty are called Iskander-E.
        And Aliyev asks for clarification on Iskander-M.
        This one has a range of 500 km and is in service only with Russia. At the same time, Konashenko stated that there was not a single Iskander launch by the Armenians.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach April 12 2021 18: 55
          +1
          And this "E" or "M" he determined from the wreckage or what? For those on which it is generally not very clear what kind of rocket it is? In my opinion the fairing and tail are from something else
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 April 12 2021 18: 59
            +15
            Greetings to Alexander!
            My version is wreckage from Syria.
            For 4 months they found, brought, scattered.
            Konashenko said that not a single Iskander flew out.
            What, what, but absolutely stupidly substituted there was no point.
            But it's time to answer for the helicopter. And the Turks cannot be surrendered.
            So we observe a twine evasion with fantasies.
            Threat Azerbaijani colleagues joined in as if on command.
            Trying on the forum to somehow justify the unjustified. hi
            1. ironic
              ironic April 12 2021 20: 21
              -5
              Oh yes, Kanashenko said ...
            2. yehat2
              yehat2 April 13 2021 10: 16
              -2
              Quote: Alex777
              Konashenko said that not a single Iskander flew out.
              What, what, but absolutely stupidly substituted there was no point.

              Konashenkov is just a talking head.
              it does not depend on him what he is given to voice
              and he substituted statements about the conflict in NK more than once,
              more precisely, he was framed by those who gave the information.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 April 13 2021 12: 19
                0
                You can personally treat Konashenkov as you please.
                And it's hard for me to imagine that the Armenians, having received such weapons as the Iskanders, could use them at their own discretion.
                I'm also not sure if they paid for it already.
                Old rockets were and were used.
                Iskander, IMHO, no. hi
                1. yehat2
                  yehat2 April 13 2021 12: 44
                  +3
                  Considering HOW the Armenians used weapons, it is obvious that no one controlled it.
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 April 13 2021 17: 07
                    -1
                    Iskander and Su-30 are one thing. All other weapons are different. hi
                    1. yehat2
                      yehat2 April 13 2021 17: 08
                      -1
                      do you think the MLRS for the settlement is different?
                      1. Alex777
                        Alex777 April 13 2021 17: 21
                        -1
                        Look at what I wrote about all this.
                        You won't ask such questions.
                      2. yehat2
                        yehat2 April 13 2021 17: 25
                        -3
                        yes, you scribbled more here than Lenin in his collection of works
                      3. Alex777
                        Alex777 April 13 2021 18: 18
                        -1
                        Jealousy in Ramadan is not good. wink
                      4. yehat2
                        yehat2 April 14 2021 00: 35
                        -1
                        envy of what?
          2. Albay
            Albay April 13 2021 23: 58
            -2
            Hello Alex!
            Old rockets were and were used.
            Iskander, IMHO, no.

            Thus, the Armenians themselves have repeatedly admitted at the highest level that they have used Iskander missiles and specifically for Shusha.
            “It all started with the former President of Armenia Serzh Sargsyan. In mid-February, in an interview with a local TV channel, he asked the question: why did the Russian Iskanders, which are in service with the Armenian army, were used only in the last days of the war and only in Shusha?” Why did we buy these missiles "In order not to use it at the right time? I can assume that they were afraid of a retaliatory strike. The Iskanders are ours, and we are the only ones to whom the ally gave such weapons," Sargsyan was indignant.

            The incumbent Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan did not go into his pocket for an answer and simply shifted the responsibility to his predecessor: “He (Sargsyan - ed.) Knows the answers to many of his questions. Maybe he will answer why the fired Iskanders did not explode in time or only exploded by 10%, ”the author of the article writes.
            ex-head of the Armenian General Staff Movses Hakobyan confirmed Pashinyan's statement that the Iskanders were used, but in his opinion, there were no problems with detonating them. “We had no problems with Iskander. I do not understand the statements of this person (Pashinyan - ed.), ”Hakobyan said. The ex-head of the General Staff added that only the enemy can calculate the power of the charge. “I know that they were shooting at the enemy,” Hakobyan specified.
            “In more detail, referring to a confidential conversation with the Chief of the General Staff of the Armenian Armed Forces during the war, Onik Gasparyan, the well-known Russian media manager Aram Gabrelyanov told about the use of Iskander. According to him, Gasparyan allegedly offered to hit the Azerbaijani oil pipeline and the accumulation of enemy personnel with these missiles, but Pashinyan refused, fearing a negative reaction from the international community. At the same time, according to Gabrelyanov, Russia has given tacit consent to the use of these missiles. “The Russians made it clear that, they say, your business and your war. Three days before the fall of Shushi, I asked Pashinyan for permission to strike with two Iskanders on a huge accumulation of enemy manpower right at the foot of Shushi. Pashinyan categorically banned, saying that the world community would curse us if we kill several thousand enemy soldiers at once. The only time I was allowed to use Iskander, this time in the city of Shushi. I applied it, "Gabrelyanov quoted the then chief of the Armenian General Staff," the article says.
            In my opinion, Russia did not get dirty in due time and produce for Armenia by order of Iskander E in view of the hasty order and the fact that they understood that Armenia was unlikely to be able to pay and supplied Iskander M from the old storerooms.
            Moreover, the likelihood of war and the fact that Armenia will have to use these missiles were minimal.
            IMHO.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 April 14 2021 00: 02
              0
              Greetings Alibek!
              Today I have nothing to say to you. We'll see.
              The question why Aliyev was silent for 4 months remains. hi
              1. Albay
                Albay April 14 2021 00: 34
                -4
                Alex, he was not silent, but before the wreckage was found, in response to a question about Pashinyan's statement, he replied that he did not know about the use of Iskander missiles by the Armenians. My close friend was at the place where the wreckage was found. It is near the house of Tsarist General Mehmandarov. He says what he said with the sappers, firstly the missiles hit an area where there are no infrastructures and for a long time there the wreckage was under the snow. There were no losses so that someone had explored this place before. The sappers only now reached those places.
      2. vik669
        vik669 April 13 2021 16: 21
        0
        Yes, the wreckage is not from Turkey but ...!
  2. smart ass
    smart ass April 13 2021 12: 49
    +2
    You might think that 300 km or 500 for Aliyev is fundamentally
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 April 13 2021 15: 23
      0
      There are basically 2 points here:
      1) Russia's violation of the Treaty on Missile Technologies (a direct road to non-handshake).
      2) why did Aliyev start promoting (falsifying) it?
      There is a disgusting situation, whatever one may say.
      1. smart ass
        smart ass April 13 2021 15: 24
        +3
        An order has been received from the pasha to spin, and the puppet is spinning
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 April 13 2021 15: 37
          0
          I strongly hope that you are mistaken.
          1. smart ass
            smart ass April 13 2021 17: 17
            0
            Well, what's the point for him to roll a barrel to the Russian Federation? After all, he did not win, he was allowed to win in particular the Russian Federation
            1. Albay
              Albay April 14 2021 01: 38
              -3
              Greetings Clever!
              I agree with you that there is no point in rolling a barrel to the Russian Federation, especially since Aliyev and Putin have a very trusting relationship. Poetlmu is convinced that this fact of the use of missiles takes place. In my opinion, Aliyev wants to show Putin that there are people in his environment who introduce him to misconception. As for they allowed to win, I also partially agree, but they were allowed forcedly, thanks to the firm position of Turkey. That is, Turkey has officially declared that if third forces intervene in the war, they will see Turkey in front of them.
      2. Albay
        Albay April 14 2021 00: 02
        -3
        Falsification can be easily identified. There is also a video of how the Armenian calculation is being fired from Iskander and I gave a link above. It will be easy to determine by the numbers when it was produced and where it was delivered. It seems to me that the question is that some officials misled Putin.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 April 14 2021 00: 59
          0
          Alibek! I didn't find your link.
          Duplicate for me please.
          1. Albay
            Albay April 14 2021 01: 14
            -2
            Alex, do you mean the reference to the statement of the Armenian leadership about the use of the "Iskader" complex?
            If yes, then here I took
            https://m.haqqin.az/news/206868
      3. Albay
        Albay April 14 2021 00: 47
        -2
        Alex, I don't know how deeply you studied the course of the conflict, or rather this war.
        I want to answer your question why Aliyev is promoting this issue. In my personal opinion, given the personal trusting relationship, to show Putin that he is being deceived by people from his entourage. Before the start of the war, when clashes occurred in Tovuz and General Gashimov died, Aliyev called Putin and asked for an explanation about the daily deliveries of weapons and ammunition by aviation to Armenia. Putin sent Shoigu. I remember they showed this meeting on TV and I remember Shoigu's ridiculous answer saying that the planes are carrying construction materials for the military base in Gyumri. Aliyev’s face showed that he certainly didn’t believe Shoigu and it was clear that he himself knows very well what planes bring.
    2. yehat2
      yehat2 April 13 2021 17: 29
      -1
      there is one more aspect - when we planned the operation, we also planned the depth of the retaliatory strike
      and the increase in the range of the Iskander seriously changed the alignment.
      As a result, Aliyev endangered more of the population than he planned and did not like it.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft April 12 2021 17: 20
    +3
    Quote: Clever man
    Well, the Armenians bought Iskander from the manufacturer, and then what?

    Moreover, back in 2016.
    According to RIA Novosti, Armenian Defense Minister Vigen Sargsyan said that the Armenian army is armed with Iskander missile systems supplied by Russia in 2016.

    https://topwar.ru/109752-rossiya-postavila-armenii-raketnye-kompleksy-iskander.html
    If the Russian Federation withdraws from the Wassenaar Agreements, then the RA may also have a BR MD ... then Erdogan will also jump in bewilderment ...
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 April 12 2021 19: 09
      +5
      If the Russian Federation withdraws from the Wassenaar Agreements, then the RA may also have a BR MD ... then Erdogan will also jump in bewilderment ...

      For the sake of such an "ally" as RA, I would not do this. hi
      It was doubtful to accept a country with a territorial problem in the CSTO. And they have been crushed over the past 30 years.
      Those who do not want to fight will not be protected by any missiles.
      Decommissioned old Arrows in Jordan !!! bought.
      And then they found fault with us that the sky was not closed.
      Otherwise they would have shown everything to everyone!
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft April 12 2021 19: 35
        0
        Quote: Alex777
        For the sake of such an "ally" as RA, I would not do this. hi

        You are probably right ... But this would be a trump card in case of further arrogance of the Turks and Azerbaijanis, I think the existing Iskander OTRK will be enough to destroy oil fields, refineries and hydraulic structures in Azerbaijan ...
        It was doubtful to accept a country with a territorial problem in the CSTO.

        Definitely. But all the CIS countries have territorial problems.
        I do not understand the Russian Federation - in Russia they have always felt sorry for the poor. Old Man is a pacifist himself and he will not come to a war that is alien to the Republic of Belarus. I do not understand where Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan were looking, they are also Turkic states. It seems that in the CSTO, besides the Russian Federation, he was not going to fight for the "orphans" ... what the RA initially understood ...
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 April 12 2021 19: 52
          +7
          But this would be a trump card in case of further arrogance of the Turks and Azerbaijanis.

          Eh .. Azerbaijanis have had 30 refugees for almost 1 years.
          It was their right that they returned the territories. IMHO.
          It seems that in the CSTO, besides the Russian Federation, he was not going to fight for the "orphans" ... which the RA initially understood ...

          We'll find out the truth later. But it seems to me that Lukashenka's “thick” hint about billions that Sargsyan refused to accept from Aliyev was in Pashinyan's garden. hi
          And the last thing: NATO is not going to fight for the "orphans". yes
        2. ironic
          ironic April 12 2021 20: 26
          -2
          And what is the arrogance of Azerbaijanis then?
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft April 12 2021 21: 03
            +1
            Quote: ironic
            And what is the arrogance of Azerbaijanis then?

            And what does it matter to them, what kind of military and military equipment is supplied by the Russian Federation to its ally in the Collective Security Treaty Organization? Maybe it was necessary to coordinate with Aliyev, and who is he within the framework of the military-technical cooperation between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Armenia?
            For the information of TOS-1A among the CIS countries, only Azerbaijan (18 units, which is more than in the Russian Federation itself) ... and Kazakhstan (3 units) ...
            1. ironic
              ironic April 12 2021 21: 17
              0
              If this is the M version, then this is a violation of an international treaty, and then this is no other matter.
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft April 12 2021 21: 27
                -3
                Quote: ironic
                If this is the M version, then this is a violation of an international treaty, and then this is no other matter.

                Read my comment below ...
              2. Piramidon
                Piramidon April 12 2021 22: 08
                +2
                Quote: ironic
                If this is the M version

                If this is Iskander at all
                1. ironic
                  ironic April 12 2021 22: 19
                  -6
                  Are you talking about the wreckage?
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon April 12 2021 22: 51
                    +3
                    Quote: ironic
                    Are you talking about the wreckage?

                    About them.
                  2. ironic
                    ironic April 13 2021 13: 08
                    -1
                    Well, judging by the photographs, this is a cassette head from version M. Only weapons experts can refute.
          2. Albay
            Albay April 14 2021 00: 07
            -2
            According to TOS-1A among the CIS countries, only Azerbaijan (18 units, which is more than in the Russian Federation itself) ... and Kazakhstan (3 units) ...
            Armenia also had it, unlike Armenia, Azerbaijan bought this and all other weapons from Russia for currency at the market price.
      2. Patigorsk2020
        Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 21: 02
        -7
        Quote: Lara Croft
        But this would be a trump card in case of the further arrogance of the Turks and Azerbaijanis,

        What audacity? Here we are talking about internationally recognized territories. Comrade arrogance from the Armenian side, which itself does not recognize and does not return to the owner.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft April 12 2021 21: 07
          0
          Quote: Patigorsk2020
          What audacity? Here we are talking about internationally recognized territories.

          Remind the topic of the article?
          Aliyev: We are waiting for an answer to the question of how the Iskander-M missiles ended up in the hands of the Armenian army

          Of course he will be sent with such an absurd question ...
          1. ironic
            ironic April 12 2021 21: 18
            -4
            Then it will only increase the size of the issue, since it concerns international treaties.
            1. Yujanin
              Yujanin April 13 2021 08: 26
              -3

              Then it will only increase the size of the issue, since it concerns international treaties.
              Reply

              If Baku with the wreckage of Iskander-M turns to the UN Security Council, it is quite likely that the OSCE may revoke the mandate for the peacekeeping mission in Karabakh from the Russian Federation (co-chair of the Minsk Group).
              1. ironic
                ironic April 13 2021 12: 42
                -2
                It's kind of interesting here if there will be any answer to this open question and what it will be.
              2. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft April 13 2021 22: 01
                0
                Quote: Yujanin
                The OSCE may revoke the mandate for a peacekeeping mission in Karabakh from the Russian Federation (co-chair of the Minsk Group).

                The presence of the RF MS on the territory of the NKR and Lachin region is not regulated by the Agreement signed by the RF, RA and Azerbaijan. The OSCE was not lying around here in any way.
                Before the signing of the above Agreement, there was never a peacekeeping force in NKR ...
              3. Albay
                Albay April 15 2021 00: 55
                -3
                Greetings Southerners!
                that the OSCE can withdraw from the Russian Federation (co-chair of the Minsk Group) the mandate for the peacekeeping mission in Karabakh.

                It cannot, because there is no OSCE mandate for a peacekeeping mission in Karabakh. Russian peacekeepers are on the territory of Azerbaijan within the framework of the trilateral agreement signed on November 10, 2020.
          2. Albay
            Albay April 14 2021 00: 12
            -4

            Of course he will be sent with such an absurd question ...

            Today Peskov said that the military of the two countries are closely cooperating on this issue.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft April 14 2021 00: 20
              0
              Quote: Albay
              the military of the two countries closely interact on this issue

              Like an orderly with a mental patient ...
        2. Nagan Nagano
          Nagan Nagano April 14 2021 13: 39
          0
          What about northern Cyprus ?? even your friends there spat on international law ...? hypocritical bl9D..iii
    2. Patigorsk2020
      Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 21: 01
      -10%
      Quote: Alex777
      For the sake of such an "ally" as RA, I would not do this.

      Today in Yerevan, Russian inscriptions have been removed at all metro stations. Moreover, yesterday or the day before yesterday, the daughter of a Russian FSB general was killed in Yerevan. It's strange that they don't write this.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 April 12 2021 21: 11
        +5
        Where you are, there are fakes. laughing
      2. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft April 12 2021 21: 11
        +2
        Quote: Patigorsk2020
        Today in Yerevan, Russian inscriptions have been removed at all metro stations.

        And also that there is not a single Russian school in the RA and there are 40 classes with Russian instruction in the whole RA ... and in the RA itself there are 12 Russians left, so what?
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 April 12 2021 21: 39
          0
          Yes, he writes just about anything. Lot. No time to think.
          Only by putting down cons and distracted. bully
          1. Patigorsk2020
            Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 22: 03
            -6
            Quote: Alex777
            Yes, he writes just about anything. Lot. No time to think.

            and the mind is not enough to google? If you yourself are a liar, it does not mean that everyone is like that.

            1. Alex777
              Alex777 April 12 2021 22: 12
              -1
              Funny. Your fakes don't interest me.
              The body of a 40-year-old woman with a gunshot wound was found on the balcony of a residential building in Yerevan, according to the website Shamshyan.com.

              "According to our information, the deceased - daughter of a general of the FSB of the Russian Federation... Found next to the body FSB officer's award pistol", - the newspaper writes.

              Straight daughter and straight FSB gun in Armenia ??? laughing
              And try to go to the source site at the address.
              1. Patigorsk2020
                Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 22: 53
                -6
                Quote: Alex777
                Straight daughter and straight FSB gun in Armenia ???
                And try to go to the source site at the address.

                I see you will not please. That is, Russian interfax post fakes?)))))))))
                This news is posted not only by this site. You need you and look for the original source. To me personally it is violet. I wrote that I had read the news. I did not write that I was present and gave interviews or looked for a source.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 April 12 2021 23: 25
                  +1
                  That is, Russian interfax post fakes?)))))))))

                  In the Interfax article there is a link to the Armenian (American .com) resource. Shamshyan.com
                  I, unlike you, was not too lazy to go to him. wink
                  What does the FSB general's pistol do in Armenia?
                  You yourself are not funny?
                2. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft April 13 2021 22: 05
                  +1
                  Quote: Patigorsk2020
                  I did not write that I was present and gave an interview or looking for a source.

                  Therefore, do not come to the cashier, for your clumsy work your boss will punish ...
              2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 13 2021 08: 21
                +2
                Quote: Alex777
                A premium pistol of an FSB officer was found near the body

                Strange ... Usually the daughters of FSB generals go to Armenia with AK-47 awards.
                wassat
          2. Albay
            Albay April 15 2021 23: 27
            -3
            ... Only by putting down cons and distracted. bully

            )))))
            It's a kindergarten, are you really so worried about the minuses?)))
            I only give you a plus, where I disagree do not evaluate at all))
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 April 15 2021 23: 33
              +2
              I didn't write about you, did I? Why were you sad?
              Have you decided to stand up for your colleague? bully
              1. Albay
                Albay April 16 2021 00: 22
                -2
                Didn't I write about you? Why were you sad?

                I saw your comment under my comment and without specifying who was addressed. Perhaps I was mistaken, we all lyuli can all be mistaken. I apologize.
                I didn't understand about my colleague.
  • ironic
    ironic April 12 2021 20: 23
    -5
    E or M? There, the range is slightly different and it seems the weight of the warhead ...
  • Patigorsk2020
    Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 21: 00
    -7
    Quote: Lara Croft
    If the Russian Federation withdraws from the Wassenaar Agreements, then the RA may also have a BR MD ... then Erdogan will also jump in bewilderment ...

    Not so simple............
  • Patigorsk2020
    Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 20: 59
    -4
    Quote: Clever man
    Well, the Armenians bought Iskander from the manufacturer, and then what?

    Iskander-M is subject to sanctions.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft April 12 2021 21: 21
      0
      Quote: Patigorsk2020
      Iskander-M is subject to sanctions.

      What are the sanctions? Again, the wrong methodology was taken. International treaties are confusing with international sanctions. Don't come to the cashier tomorrow, you work clumsy ...
      Only 4 Iskander-E OTRK are in service with the RA and Air Defense Forces of the RA ...
      A simplified version of the Iskander-M missile called Iskander-E is offered to foreign customers https://www.kbm.ru/ru/production/otrk/37.html.
      The simplification of the complex concerns the reduction of the range to 280 km and the delivery options do not include cluster warheads with self-aiming elements
      (The reduction in the range of the OTRK in the export version may be due to the fact that the export of missiles with a range of more than 300 km is prohibited by international treaties). https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2180732.html
      1. ironic
        ironic April 12 2021 22: 21
        -2
        Everything is correct. But the E version does not come with a cassette head, only M.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft April 12 2021 22: 27
          0
          Quote: ironic
          But the E version does not come with a cassette head, only M.

          AND? Is there evidence that the Russian Federation has given the M version to the "orphans"?
          1. ironic
            ironic April 13 2021 13: 10
            -1
            This is precisely the subject of the question. Was this really the case? Was it through an official channel or was it illegal activity of certain persons with stripes?
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft April 13 2021 20: 29
              0
              Quote: ironic
              This is precisely the subject of the question.

              There would be a question if there was a place where the fall of this rocket was recorded on the territory of Azerbaijan, incl. in the presence of military attaches and other military specialists of the Russian Federation and the RA ...
              And so they showed cluster munitions brought from the Astrakhan test site and "drive" nonsense ...
              1. ironic
                ironic April 14 2021 11: 29
                -1
                So why don't military experts establish that this ammunition is from the landfill and close the question?
                1. Albay
                  Albay April 15 2021 01: 02
                  -3
                  Hello ironic!
                  We asked the right question, and I absolutely agree.
                  Most likely someone in stripes deceived Putin.
                  1. ironic
                    ironic April 16 2021 01: 13
                    +1
                    I, like any person in the world, cannot but be interested in the issue of the proliferation of weapons that are not prescribed (and according to the laws of the Russian Federation) for the proliferation of weapons capable of carrying a nuclear warhead over an operational-tactical distance.
  • Anar
    Anar April 13 2021 09: 36
    0
    Key word Armenia. She said that she did not attack Azerbaijan. And the separatists of Karabakh do not have such weapons. It turns out that Armenia fired these missiles at the territory of Azerbaijan and attacked it. As a counterbalance, the Azerbaijani army has the right to send its troops into the territory of Armenia and cleanse it from the aggressor. At the same time, the CSTO cannot introduce its army against Azerbaijan, as it will automatically become an alliance that supports the aggressor. This is the whole point. If it seems that Iskander M was used, then immediately the conclusion is that it was Armenia who fired and no longer in the combat zone, but much further.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 13 2021 13: 12
      0
      Well, it depends on where the wreckage was found, and not on the range of the M version.
      1. Anar
        Anar April 13 2021 18: 56
        -2
        The M version has a minimum launch range. They deviate from this.
        1. ironic
          ironic April 14 2021 11: 31
          -2
          Well, I don't think that this will be a critical comment on the topic, because Iskander was not launched at the minimum range anyway. But the size and type of warhead is yes.
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft April 13 2021 20: 36
      -1
      Quote: Anar
      the Azerbaijani army has the right to send its troops into the territory of Armenia and cleanse it of the aggressor.

      And let the Azerbaijani army check ... whether it can clean it up or not ...
      A pair of hooves in the collection will not be superfluous to the mysterious Northern country ...
      Ask your neighbor how he now lives without the Air Force and the Navy with truncated territories ...
      1. ironic
        ironic April 14 2021 11: 35
        -1
        A mysterious northern country, after the Ukrainian and Syrian scenarios, is still only in the Karabakh scenario to complete happiness. It is only at VO that all issues are resolved by Poplar's work. And in Syria, for the 5th time, a complete victory, and in Ukraine, the maintenance of troops on the border has been sucking the budget for many years, then more or less and just don't say that a big and rich country will get along with everything in the world. The USSR was bigger and richer.
      2. Anar
        Anar April 14 2021 16: 00
        -2
        Well, a mysterious server country will be ashamed to attack a country that is 100 times smaller both in size and strength, and even more so for the sake of protecting the aggressor. Did you watch Mowgli as a child? If it were not for Shirkhan, then that little bully dog ​​would not have barked at others.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft April 14 2021 19: 36
          0
          Quote: Anar
          the country will be ashamed to attack a country that is 100 times smaller both in size and strength

          You were not ashamed of being attacked by "orphans" who are smaller than you ..
          1. Anar
            Anar April 14 2021 21: 33
            -2
            Firstly, these orphans are not much less and they themselves have always said that they are stronger and will destroy us at any moment, secondly, they themselves showed aggression by seizing our lands and wiping out entire cities from the earth, in thirds not only did they occupy our lands, even more of them politicians shouted on the air that they were preparing for a new war over new territories, that they would soon take Baku and force the people to swim across the Caspian Sea.
            Again, I repeat, they themselves have nothing to imagine, but shouted the loudest. They thought Russia and France would save them. And Russia chose a fair position, while France lacked the spirit because she knew that there was a clash with Turkey and Pakistan, and even in the zone of influence of Russia.
            And about the weak, I again remind you of Mowgli's cartoon, where there is nothing a creature who did not represent them, hid behind Shirkhan ...
  • RealPilot
    RealPilot April 12 2021 17: 04
    +30
    It looks like a provocation!
    They were shot at Syria, and what prevented the Turkish citizens from taking them out and "spreading" them on the Karabakh land? Yes Easy!

    Again, we saw cylinders with chemical weapons, gently brought into the house by White helmets, which allegedly pierced the roof and lay on the bed ... Without damage corresponding to such a blow.
    1. Old tanker
      Old tanker April 12 2021 17: 22
      +14
      That's how it probably was. The war ended in November, and the wreckage was found only at the end of March. Before that, well, no one noticed them, practically in the most prominent places.
      1. Albay
        Albay April 15 2021 01: 10
        -1
        Greetings to the old tanker!
        The war ended in November, and the wreckage was found only at the end of March. Before that, well, no one noticed them, practically in the most prominent places.

        Firstly, these are not the most noticeable places, alas, no one lived there. The blow was struck in recent days. The wreckage was under the snow. The city of Shusha is only cleared of mines. There, where the wreckage was found near the house of the former tsarist general Mehmandarov. The sappers only reached that place. Pashinyan, General Movses Hakobyan, former ngsh, Serzh Sargsyan, Aram Gabrielyan, according to ngsh General Onik Gasparyan, spoke about the shelling of Shushu by Iskander.
        1. Old tanker
          Old tanker April 15 2021 10: 54
          0
          The wasteland on the busy road in November was not covered with snow, and no one saw the huge debris - nonsense! And the ammunition from this cassette did not hit the roads nearby? Do you yourself believe this? And where did they get enough sleep then? So quickly self-destructed without ice? Does it happen like that? And yes, what is it to such a famous house sappers so late dobralist? It's hard to believe.
          The second cassette hit a huge funnel so well and then it was covered with a huge snowdrift, I admit. But gle, again, did the submunitions fall from this cassette? Where are the traces of them?
          And yes, I would very much like to know when the snow fell in Karabakh, how high was the snow cover and when did it melt? And only then it will be possible to talk about whether this snow could hide the wreckage for so long.
          1. Patigorsk2020
            Patigorsk2020 April 15 2021 11: 33
            0
            Quote: Old Tankman
            And yes, I would very much like to know when the snow fell in Karabakh, how high was the snow cover and when did it melt? And only then it will be possible to talk about whether this snow could hide the wreckage for so long.

            You shouldn't believe about snow. The city of Shusha is located at an altitude of 1400 meters above sea level. There is snow from October to April.

            the average temperature in January is + 2,9 ° C, in April - +7,4 ° C, in July - +18,9 ° C, in November - +4,7 ° C
            1. Old tanker
              Old tanker April 15 2021 18: 49
              0
              I saw footage of the capture of Shushi not a hint of snow. And then, when our peacekeepers were stationed, there was no snow in the footage either. So the Iskanders were "used" allegedly in the absence of snow. And the wreckage, as well as submunitions or traces of their self-destruction, would have been found almost immediately.
              All temperatures indicated by you are positive. So contradict yourself.
              And yes, I have been in the mountains at such heights in winter and not having run over for a week at a resort. Moreover, from the northern side of the Caucasus. Such snowdrifts to hide large-sized debris from December to March are in Yurga, not in Shusha.
              1. Albay
                Albay April 15 2021 23: 21
                -4
                ... I saw footage of the capture of Shushi not a hint of snow. And then, when our peacekeepers were stationed, there was no snow in the footage either. So

                I'm not talking about the first days, but a little later it snowed and there sappers for the first time worked days only clearing roads and houses in the first place.
                1. Old tanker
                  Old tanker April 16 2021 06: 56
                  0
                  It's funny. During the fighting, they did not notice the arrival of two missiles. We held a parade in Shushi and, while clearing mines on one of the main roads, did not notice one of the large fragments of a rocket 50 meters away from it. And then suddenly snow piled up to the waist, covered parts of the missiles, and such a height of the snow cover lay on that vacant lot until March.
                  Do you really believe that?
                  1. Patigorsk2020
                    Patigorsk2020 April 16 2021 18: 47
                    -1
                    Quote: Old Tankman
                    Do you really believe that?

                    If I were the president of Russia and some president from a dwarf country, would press me with accusations and I had nothing to do with, I would have torn this dwarf president. What do we see in reality? They were silent for a long time, and then they said that they did not know, and then the FSB began an investigation. Moreover, before that, Pashinyan accused Russia that the missiles do not explode, while the other explodes by 10%. There is no smoke without fire. I think something is wrong in this conversation.
                    1. Old tanker
                      Old tanker April 17 2021 17: 04
                      0
                      What a mess.
                      The main thing is that no one even saw the smoke. Ashes only show
                      It is not clear where and who dragged him the truth laughing
    2. Nestor Vlakhovski
      Nestor Vlakhovski April 12 2021 17: 45
      -13%
      CIA agents found the fragments of Iskander in Syria and threw them into the territory of Azerbaijan in a previously prepared funnel, otherwise it could not be.
      1. bayard
        bayard April 12 2021 18: 46
        +9
        Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
        CIA agents found Iskander's wreckage in Syria and planted them in Azerbaijan

        The Turkish military and their proxies collected the wreckage of the Iskander-M in Idlib and brought them to Baku.
        And such a special operation really needs to be explained to someone.
        And about the downed helicopter ... something has not been heard for a long time - who was shooting there?
        1. Nestor Vlakhovski
          Nestor Vlakhovski April 12 2021 19: 02
          -17%
          The Turkish military would not expose their Russian colleagues, with whom they have to shoulder peacekeeping missions in Idlib and Karabakh. But ISIS militants or Kurds under the leadership of State Department agents could well carry out a special operation.
          The launch site, the military unit, the names of the commanders and soldiers who launched the missiles were known even on the first day after the downing of the helicopter. Just what can you show them? The Azerbaijani soldiers were simply doing their job, and for them the state immediately financially compensated the losses to the Russian side. The question has been closed for a long time.
        2. ironic
          ironic April 12 2021 20: 28
          -8
          Is the transportation not expensive? Alev personally asked or so on. are they for allied reasons?
          1. bayard
            bayard April 15 2021 03: 01
            0
            Quote: ironic
            Alev personally asked or so on. are they for allied reasons?

            Now it is difficult to talk about the subjectivity of Azerbaijan, especially in such matters - they truly merged in ecstasy with Turkey.
            And Turkey is a NATO member.
            And under the serious influence of the British intelligence services.
            Aliyev alone would hardly have dared to make such a provocation and demarche.
            1. ironic
              ironic April 16 2021 01: 09
              +1
              I don’t understand at all what kind of habit has become fashionable, hitting Azerbaijan? As an Israelite, I am not a fan of Turkish politics, but Azerbaijan should not be responsible for all its aspects.
              1. bayard
                bayard April 16 2021 05: 45
                0
                Quote: ironic
                Has become fashionable, hitting Azerbaijan?

                belay
                And who ran into him?
                Bulldozer?
                Or is it the president of a given country making something?
                Half a year after the events happened?
                But on his own initiative, he does it, or someone suggested - a question.
                1. ironic
                  ironic April 18 2021 13: 34
                  0
                  In this thread, such bulldozers cannot be counted.
                  Aliyev presented what was found by the relevant military on his territory.
                  This raised the relevant questions and he asked them publicly.
                  On whose initiative you can guess, but in fact on your own.
        3. Alex777
          Alex777 April 12 2021 21: 42
          -4
          The Turks fired along the way. Who else outside the war zone could?
          1. Albay
            Albay April 15 2021 01: 16
            -2
            The Turkish military and their proxies collected the wreckage of the Iskander-M in Idlib and brought them to Baku.

            How outside the war zone?
            Shusha was the site of fierce battles.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 April 15 2021 09: 35
              +1
              I mean that the Russian helicopter was shot down outside the combat zone.
              What does Shusha have to do with it?
              I know firsthand what battles in Shusha were.
              1. Albay
                Albay April 15 2021 23: 14
                -3
                Alex read what I answered and look for a helicopter in my commentary. I answered you in detail about the helicopter below.
                Best regards
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 April 15 2021 23: 16
                  0
                  You answered my post about the helicopter.
                  Perhaps they wanted to answer someone else.
          2. Albay
            Albay April 15 2021 23: 16
            -3
            ... The Turks fired along the way. Who else outside the war zone could?

            Alex!
            Least likely. Probably the Armenians shot my IMHO.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 April 15 2021 23: 19
              0
              Yeah. There is a column. A helicopter is above her.
              And the Armenians are knocking him down over the column?
              Are you so smart that you think everyone is fools? bully
              PS You have not sent me links to the Iskaderov funnels.
              I guess you don't have them.
              1. Albay
                Albay April 16 2021 00: 16
                -2
                Are the Armenians knocking him down over the column?
                Are you so smart that you think everyone is fools? bully
                You are a strange person, Azerbaijanis and Turks can knock over a column, but Armenians cannot?
                It was from the Armenian territory from that direction that there could be a shot. Yes, I'm smart, of course. Unlike you, I know that territory well. From the direction from which the Azerbaijani border was fired, a shot from a MANPADS is not enough to shoot down a helicopter at that height.
                I didn't promise you any link about the funnel. You probably misunderstood me. The internet is full of photos and videos, you can google it.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 April 16 2021 00: 23
                  0
                  Aliyev pleaded guilty and promised to investigate.
                  Aliyev never said that they were Armenians.
                  Are you smarter than Aliyev? bully
                  1. Albay
                    Albay April 16 2021 00: 29
                    -2
                    Are you smarter than Aliyev? bully

                    Unlike him, I am not a politician. Most likely, he and Putin decided so, the end of the war apparently did not want to further aggravate the situation of the Armenians at Putin's request. But I am convinced that the helicopter was shot down from the Armenian territory. My IMHO.
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 April 16 2021 00: 37
                      0
                      Everyone has a right, has a right
                      That which is on the left and that which is on the right ...
        4. Albay
          Albay April 15 2021 01: 14
          -2
          The Turkish military and their proxies collected the wreckage of the Iskander-M in Idlib and brought them to Baku.

          Really?))
          And all the military-political leadership of Armenia announced the use of missiles of the complex precisely in Shusha at the request of Turkey?)))
      2. ironic
        ironic April 12 2021 20: 29
        -4
        Mossad. Moreover, at a personal request, Bibi was borrowed from VVP.
        1. Nestor Vlakhovski
          Nestor Vlakhovski April 12 2021 21: 09
          -2
          Unlikely. World Zionism has long seized the power and reliably retains world Zionism.
          We can only guess about the true intentions of this behind the scenes, but it seems logical to assume that it is in their interests to substitute Russia.
          1. ironic
            ironic April 12 2021 21: 16
            -5
            And not only power, but souls and even thoughts, not to mention the missing cowards. Every year, world Zionism, represented by a separate state, nasty Russia by 3 lard in trade turnover between countries by not joining trade sanctions. wink
            1. Nestor Vlakhovski
              Nestor Vlakhovski April 12 2021 21: 34
              -3
              I didn’t say that it’s really bad.
              Mindful of the 90s, of survival in the scoop, knowing how the Russian tsars treated the common people, the current situation of the Russian people does not seem so bad. Our human has never lived as well as under Putin, it's just a fact to which everyone can relate as he pleases. The passage about some kind of panties is not entirely clear to me, probably this is some kind of your personal fetish ... or I even xs how it can be understood.
              1. ironic
                ironic April 12 2021 22: 15
                -2
                And GDP turns out to be related to Zionism? Yapatstol. The phrase "there are all sorts of things, and then the panties disappear", I thought, too, known to any Russian-speaking person, but I probably stopped understanding something.
                1. Nestor Vlakhovski
                  Nestor Vlakhovski April 12 2021 23: 24
                  -6
                  And GDP turns out to be related to Zionism?
                  Do you undertake to deny it? It is not so much a matter of the person of the president as of his entourage, which almost without exception has connections with Zionism. And the "guarantor" himself at one time often traveled to Israel, as to my home, now my health does not allow me to wander around the world so often ..
                  1. ironic
                    ironic April 13 2021 12: 50
                    0
                    And why bother to prove the obvious things. The GDP is quite obvious and completely transparent has nothing to do with the paradigm or the national Jewish movement of Zionism. Only conspiracy theories from the marginalized are capable of tying unrelated things, which is boring and counterproductive to consider. In your opinion, major politicians who often visited Israel and do not pursue anti-Israeli policies are associated with Zionism? No, are you serious?
      3. aslanismaili611
        aslanismaili611 April 12 2021 22: 13
        -4
        And surely this dark deed was done at night by agents - blacks. Imagine this: a dark night, dark negros dig funnel. It all fits!
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 April 13 2021 00: 09
          -2
          Rustic! Aren't you ashamed to write about blacks? wink
          Bots came running across you. They are all the same.
          All in the minuses, as in flea beetles. )))))))))))
          1. aslanismaili611
            aslanismaili611 April 13 2021 07: 17
            -1
            Not black, dark. Shyutka. if you think it is inappropriate, put a minus.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 April 13 2021 09: 54
              +1
              A good joke (as opposed to a "duck") is always welcome.
              I have friends in Azerbaijan.
              There are those who took part in the assault on Shushi.
              They told a lot.
              How they climbed the rocks, how they tried to preserve the monuments, about hand-to-hand fighting and about losses ...
              But nothing was said about the Iskander.
              It took a whole 4 months and started.
              At first, Pashinyan announced the "ineffective" Iskander, after which the entire General Staff spoke out against him.
              Pashinyan's statement was picked up surprisingly quickly by Aliyev.
              In a few days, the funnel was found, and the debris appeared. Coincidence?
              Lukashenka's hint that Pashinyan could surrender Karabakh for big money no longer looks like something unreal. hi
              1. aslanismaili611
                aslanismaili611 April 13 2021 19: 38
                0
                Good evening, colleague, at the expense of the duck, it is unlikely that something unexpected, worthy of attention will happen. The question regarding Iskander will most likely be decided on the political plane, which does not interest me at all. Actually, I am an air defense officer, but there is very little information so far, I cannot talk about the effectiveness of Iskander. Mr. Aliyev promises to reveal something. Let's wait. In Baku, I also have one friend, an old military man. 40 years have not seen.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 April 13 2021 19: 48
                  -1
                  Good evening!
                  The minus is not mine.
                  In the whole story, I am saddened by 2 moments:
                  1.Ugly story with a helicopter,
                  2. a strange story with Iskander-M.
                  I am for the friendship between Russia and Azerbaijan.
                  But I strongly doubt that both problems will resolve by themselves.
                  Moreover, the second problem greatly aggravates the first. IMHO.
                  In order not to repeat myself: I believe that the RA did not use Iskander-M. And Pashinyan was "misinformed." hi
                  1. Albay
                    Albay April 15 2021 01: 25
                    -2
                    1.Ugly story with a helicopter,
                    2. a strange story with Iskander-M.
                    I am for the friendship between Russia and Azerbaijan.

                    1. I have two versions of what happened and both are easy to prove. I am convinced that the helicopter was not shot down by Azerbaijani forces, this is my IMHO. Why did they take the blame, I do not know, I think it is connected with politics.
                    2O Iskadere M wrote his opinion above.
                    3. We are also for friendship.
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 April 15 2021 09: 40
                      0
                      I am convinced that the helicopter was not shot down by Azerbaijani forces, this is my IMHO. Why did they take the blame, I think it is connected with politics.

                      So I already wrote that most likely the work of Turkish hands, which "helped" you.
                    2. Albay
                      Albay April 15 2021 22: 41
                      -2
                      Alekh and not Turkish!
                      I am convinced that Armenian forces shot down a missile. This is my IMHO. There is not enough distance from the border to shoot down a helicopter with MANPADS at that height ..
                    3. Alex777
                      Alex777 April 15 2021 23: 27
                      0
                      EeeZ .... I hint gently: Aliyev admitted the attack.
                      I have already suggested not to keep us for fools. bully
  • Anar
    Anar April 13 2021 09: 38
    -1
    You forgot about the aliens ...
  • ironic
    ironic April 13 2021 13: 13
    -1
    The use of weapons can either be confirmed or denied. The third seems to be not given.
  • prior
    prior April 12 2021 17: 07
    +23
    And let Aliev first answer where he got the fragments of the Iskander-M missile?
    1. MIG00001
      MIG00001 April 12 2021 17: 35
      +10
      Exactly, it looks like the beloved Turks from Syria brought the wreckage
      1. Nestor Vlakhovski
        Nestor Vlakhovski April 12 2021 17: 48
        -21%
        Turkey is a reliable partner and ally of Russia.
        The wreckage could have been planted by Ukrainians or NATO soldiers.
      2. Anar
        Anar April 13 2021 09: 47
        -2
        They forgot about the Martians ...
    2. ironic
      ironic April 12 2021 20: 30
      -7
      It's like a question to a question?
  • Yujanin
    Yujanin April 12 2021 18: 23
    -7
    Let the first answer who flunked our helicopter

    Air Defense of the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan. Is this news to you?
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty April 12 2021 20: 51
      0
      Yujanin- it was necessary to endure this air defense for this, but we are kind, unfortunately. ....
      1. Yujanin
        Yujanin April 13 2021 10: 43
        -1

        Yujanin- it was necessary to endure this air defense for this, but we are kind, unfortunately. ....
        Reply

        Nevertheless, they did not bear it. So there were reasons for that. Moreover, your military leadership itself paid compensation to the families of the killed pilots and closed the issue with the Mi-24. So, send all questions on this topic to the RF Ministry of Defense!
  • Patigorsk2020
    Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 20: 51
    -6
    Quote: urik62
    Let the first answer who flunked our helicopter.

    Before answering, maybe someone will tell them what the military helicopter was doing at night during the hostilities on the border between Azerbaijan and Armenia, I will note where no one has ever flown before.
    1. Nagan Nagano
      Nagan Nagano April 14 2021 13: 46
      -1
      the helicopter can fly even along the entire border on its territory ... but from where the video appeared so well ... you can immediately see the report filmed lakes for the Turkish folder
  • hirurg
    hirurg April 12 2021 16: 23
    +24
    Let Aliyev himself investigate how they appeared.
    There were no launches recorded.
    The fragments are cassette, with Russian marking.
    They could not leave such funnels.
    Found already after 4 months.
    Where were they used? In Syria.
    And then Pashinan muttered something.
    Except as a provocation you can not name it.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 12 2021 16: 29
      +1
      At the same time, Aliyev pointedly added that the Azerbaijani authorities "will wait for official explanations."
      And the numbers of at least one unit or unit can be presented ...
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik April 12 2021 16: 40
        +14
        Very strange story.
        1. The Armenians used Iskander for sure, video below.
        2. Azerbaijan showed cassette head parts. Marking in the photo.
        3. It clearly flew to the place of the intended strike high-explosive fragmentation warhead.

        Accordingly, the shown remains of Iskander are not from the specified crash site. Where the cluster warheads come from is open to question, or more than two Iskander missiles were used, or they were from another country, for example Syria.

        This is a provocation against Russia. The main question is why Aliyev is doing this?




        1. Yujanin
          Yujanin April 12 2021 16: 50
          -5
          The Russian Federation used Iskander-K cruise missiles in Syria.
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn April 12 2021 17: 00
            +6
            Quote: Yujanin
            The Russian Federation used Iskander-K cruise missiles in Syria.

            Where does the data come from? There is infa that Iskanders were used in Syria, but which ones ...? request
            And more than once. wink
            1. Yujanin
              Yujanin April 12 2021 18: 28
              -4

              Where does the data come from? There is infa that Iskanders were used in Syria, but which ones ...?

              The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation demonstrated a video report.
              All missiles fly up to the target not vertically (from top to bottom), but horizontally.
              1. LiSiCyn
                LiSiCyn April 12 2021 18: 40
                +4
                Quote: Yujanin
                The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation demonstrated a video report.

                So what...? Is this evidence that only Iskander-K was used in Syria?
                1. Yujanin
                  Yujanin April 12 2021 18: 58
                  -4
                  So what...? Is this evidence that only Iskander-K was used in Syria?

                  In this case, where is the confidence that M-ki were used? Can you prove it?
                  1. LiSiCyn
                    LiSiCyn April 12 2021 19: 18
                    +6
                    Quote: Yujanin
                    In this case, where is the confidence that M-ki were used?

                    Syria, this is the Polygon. Where they are used, all possible novelties of the military industrial complex. Who knows ... wink
                    Quote: Yujanin
                    Can you prove it?

                    And I am not obliged to prove. Let Aliyev prove that these "pieces" are from near Shushi, and not from Idlib. stop
                    And then, it may turn out ugly, as with the number of the Buk rocket, when it turned out that the rocket was ukroinskaya. negative
                    1. Yujanin
                      Yujanin April 13 2021 10: 48
                      -1

                      Syria, this is the Polygon. Where they are used, all possible novelties of the military industrial complex. Who knows ...

                      Poor Syrian people ...
                      1. LiSiCyn
                        LiSiCyn April 13 2021 11: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: Yujanin
                        Poor Syrian people ...

                        Still in existence. And not cutting each other's throats.
          2. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik April 12 2021 17: 07
            0
            Once again I reviewed the video, at the beginning it is clear that 1 rocket is flying, then the launch of two more. Accordingly, we can assume about the launch of 3 missiles. Why don't they talk about it then? Are they waiting?
            1. Albay
              Albay April 15 2021 23: 10
              -2
              Fiery Kitty may not have found the wreckage of the third rocket yet, or there is a version that it was shot across Baku and it was shot down over the Jeyranbatan reservoir. There was a very powerful explosion, but for some reason nothing was reported about this rocket. This was also on the last night of the war.
        2. smart ass
          smart ass April 12 2021 16: 51
          +12
          Why does he do it ??? He's the six of Turkey. The question is, why is this Turkey?
          1. knn54
            knn54 April 12 2021 17: 21
            +1
            Okay Aliev.
            The Armenian side denied the allegations of the use of Iskander, but Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan stated that Yerevan allegedly used them, but they, in his words, showed low efficiency.
            And it is the Western curators who are trying to help the "ally" of Russia before the elections.
            "Unison" by Aliyev and Pashinyan says that the Anglo-Saxons and "friends" of the Turks (who brought the wreckage from Idlib) are not abandoning their attempts to squeeze the Russian Federation out of the Transcaucasus.
          2. Old tanker
            Old tanker April 12 2021 17: 26
            +9
            Well, in Idlib, they began to crush the pro-Turkish proxies, so the Sultan podlyanu and threw. Moreover, he invited the Ukrainians to NATO. Here he was threatened with the suspension of flights with Russia. So, two Turkish ministers rushed to Moscow urgently.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 April 12 2021 21: 47
              0
              Flights have already been suspended. From April 15th.
              We were asked too loudly about Iskaner-M.
              Let's wait until June 1, look at the behavior.
              And there it is quite possible to extend the ban for a little longer.
          3. Alex777
            Alex777 April 12 2021 17: 33
            -3
            Get out of the helicopter ...
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 April 12 2021 18: 12
              -4
              Does the minus signer really hurt his eyes? bully
            2. Patigorsk2020
              Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 21: 15
              -6
              Quote: Alex777
              Get out of the helicopter ...

              He apologized for the helicopter and paid. Can you prove that the helicopter was not deliberately sent there? Can you answer what the helicopter did during the war on the border between Armenia and Azerbaijan without identification marks? Without warning?
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 April 12 2021 21: 19
                0
                Can you prove that the helicopter was not deliberately sent there? Can you answer what the helicopter did during the war on the border between Armenia and Azerbaijan without identification marks? Without warning?

                You, with your number of minuses, dishonor the name of a city close to me. Understand. You have a task. But what does Pyatigorsk have to do with it?
                The helicopter accompanied the convoy of Russian troops.
                If you don't even know that, then what to talk about?
                Who should have been warned on the Armenian territory? lol
                1. Patigorsk2020
                  Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 22: 12
                  -4
                  Quote: Alex777
                  You, with your number of minuses, dishonor the name of a city close to me.

                  I have already proved to you with an article that all your accusations are not worth a dime !!!! Before blaming the mind is not enough to google ????????????? Are you collecting pluses and minuses here? Maybe you will grow up?
                  Quote: Alex777
                  The helicopter accompanied the convoy of Russian troops.

                  Don't shy away from questions.
                  A) Why the new route B) Why, during the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan, a military helicopter flies without identification marks at night and without warning to the Azerbaijani side, and moreover at low altitudes?

                  Quote: Alex777
                  If you don't even know that, then what to talk about?

                  I know very well what I am writing, but you are dodging the answer ..............

                  Quote: Alex777
                  Who should have been warned on the Armenian territory?

                  The helicopter was shot down at the border, Igloy MANPADS. And you show with your grin how far from reality you are. Did you try to open the map to see where the border is? System range? The anti-aircraft system was located on the territory of Sadarak. Do you need to write something right? You are a fat minus !!!!! The most ashamed that I communicate with such a dilettante. Goodbye. Do not write to me again, I will not answer.
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 April 12 2021 22: 28
                    -1
                    Maybe you will grow up?

                    Do you need to write something right?

                    Goodbye.

                    Treat your nerves, learn Russian. It will come in handy. hi
                    Google your knowledge of Russian. Laugh out loud.
        3. JonnyT
          JonnyT April 12 2021 16: 55
          +5
          His curator, the Sultan, said so, it’s painfully they don’t like our peacekeepers, the plans are for further expansion.
          1. Patigorsk2020
            Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 21: 16
            -5
            Quote: JonnyT
            His curator, the Sultan, said so, it’s painfully they don’t like our peacekeepers, the plans are for further expansion.

            First, he has his own brains in his head. Friendship does not mean vassalage.
            Secondly, these peacekeepers allow many unlawful things on the territory of Azerbaijan, up to civilian military Armenians, to be admitted, and in the agreement it was forbidden.
            1. Nagan Nagano
              Nagan Nagano April 14 2021 13: 51
              -1
              blaa ipat you here answer everyone hard to work off grandmother))))))))))))))
        4. Spike Javelin Touvich
          Spike Javelin Touvich April 12 2021 16: 57
          -12%
          This is a provocation against Russia. The main question is why Aliyev is doing this?
          He wants to say that they have not forgotten
          Have not forgotten more than 50 flights per day of IL-76
          Probably flew for apricots
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft April 12 2021 17: 25
            -2
            Quote: Spikes Javelin Touvich
            Have not forgotten more than 50 flights per day of IL-76

            So they flew only after the signing of the Armistice Agreement, during the conflict, Georgia and Azerbaijan closed their airspace ...
            And some of the peacekeepers were also delivered by railway through Azerbaijan ...
            1. Spike Javelin Touvich
              Spike Javelin Touvich April 12 2021 17: 29
              -4
              From August to November ????? !!!
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft April 12 2021 18: 03
                +1
                Quote: Spikes Javelin Touvich
                From August to November ????? !!!

                Yes, yes. In RA, deliveries were carried out only through Iran ...
                1. Spike Javelin Touvich
                  Spike Javelin Touvich April 12 2021 18: 06
                  -4
                  Yes.
                  everything is clear with you. The main thing is to blurt out
        5. viktorR
          viktorR April 12 2021 16: 59
          +3
          On your video launch points. The launcher has one rocket, the amount of gases is much less than that of the Iskander.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik April 12 2021 17: 05
            -7
            The first rocket is 0:36 seconds, the second rocket is 1:18 seconds. With the same PU.


            The Tochka-U rocket is launched at an angle of 78 ° to the vertical and purely towards the target (12 ° from the direction), while Iskander has a rocket at the start at 90 °, then turns towards the target.
            1. viktorR
              viktorR April 12 2021 17: 08
              +4
              Even on your screen, you can see that these are two different PUs, and on the second one you can clearly see. that the rocket is in the middle of the launcher. And the angle to the vertical from this angle, even in a better video, cannot be determined, the difference is 12 degrees.
              1. Old tanker
                Old tanker April 12 2021 17: 29
                0
                On the second screen, the all-metal body of the Point is guessed.
              2. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh April 12 2021 19: 09
                +8
                Launcher one.
                Note the dark spot in front of the launcher on the left in both frames.
                And on the bright spot on the right in both frames.
            2. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft April 12 2021 17: 27
              +1
              Quote: OgnennyiKotik
              The Tochka-U rocket is launched at an angle of 78 ° to the vertical and purely towards the target (12 ° from the direction), while Iskander has a rocket at the start at 90 °, then turns towards the target.

              And at the "Elbrus" OTRK, which are in service with the RV and A RA, at what angle of the missile ...?
        6. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn April 12 2021 17: 02
          +13
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          This is a provocation against Russia. The main question is why Aliyev is doing this?

          Arrows translates. negative
          It is necessary to answer for the downed Mi-24. angry
        7. Old tanker
          Old tanker April 12 2021 17: 24
          +2
          The video shows "Iskander launches", but when and where they were made, there is no way to determine. This video does not provide any direct evidence of the use of Iskander by the Armenians in the 40-day war.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik April 12 2021 17: 34
            -4
            The time of year, the date of the video, the direction of the launch, the comments of the Armenians in the background - everything suggests that these launches are taking place during the war of 2020.
            The screenshots that I attached from the video show that the right rocket is launched, then the left one. And Iskander's specific tapered body.
            1. Old tanker
              Old tanker April 12 2021 18: 04
              +4
              What time of the year? Here's the question. I don't know Armenian, but I didn't hear the words "Iskander". The launches are very similar to the launch of the Tochka complexes. Their missiles are no less conical than Iskander's.
              Compare the taper and try to really see its differences in that video. Well, it won't work out because of the quality.


              The video is very "muddy" in all respects and does not carry any evidence base.
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh April 12 2021 19: 13
                +5
                Compare the air stabilizers from the wreckage (photo above).
                And air stabilizers in your images of Point and Iskander.
                The “wings” of the fragments are shorter. These are the wreckage of Iskander, not the Point.
                1. Old tanker
                  Old tanker April 13 2021 06: 28
                  +3
                  What does the debris have to do with it ?!
                  We are talking about VIDEO ROCKETS LAUNCHES.
                  The fact that the presented wreckage from the "Iskander" no one doubts. The question is where did they come from in Shusha and why no one saw them for 4 months.
                2. Butchcassidy
                  Butchcassidy April 13 2021 07: 39
                  -1
                  The question is where did they get them. In my opinion, this is how I agree with Leonkov - Baku is becoming less and less independent and more and more accepts the role prepared for it in 1918 - to be a geopolitical project of Turkey. Aggravating with Moscow is clearly not in the interests of Baku, but clearly in the interests of Turkey. And Iskander-M was used in Syria, from where the Turks could get the wreckage. Asking questions publicly - how could Armenia get Iskander-M, this is an obvious provocation. Moreover, Moscow, not Yerevan.

                  Iskander-M are only in service with Moscow, Iskander-E, which Yerevan has, was not used in that war, this is an exhaustive answer from the Russian Ministry of Defense.

                  Let's see how events unfold. But it seems to me that we are on the eve of a grandiose nix.
            2. Ilya098
              Ilya098 April 12 2021 18: 06
              +1
              conical

              I don't know, it seems to me that in height and shape it is more similar to 9m728 than 9m723
              The Armenians did not seem to have 9m723, and even if they did, then instead of 9M723, a fragment from the museum would have written 9M723E (its possible existence was mentioned on militaryrussia.ru), so the fragments were most likely transferred to Turkey from Idlib militants, or else from Georgia. As for the video itself, I heard that this is from the exercises ~ 2016, but it needs to be checked.
        8. ironic
          ironic April 12 2021 20: 33
          -5
          RF uses cassette heads in Syria? By the way, they can only be from Iskander-M. For E versions are not supplied.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik April 12 2021 20: 39
            -6
            Quote: ironic
            RF uses cassette heads in Syria?

            I don’t know, in theory they could, in practice there is no evidence of this. Two missiles that showed Azerbaijanian from Iskander-M, no options. But in the video of the launches at the very beginning, the trace from the rocket, it could be the third with a high-explosive head.
            Accordingly, 2 cassettes exploded in a different place, not in which they were shown. Why only fence such a forest?
            1. ironic
              ironic April 12 2021 22: 47
              -2
              Well, let's wait and find out. Continuation of this is what it will receive.
        9. Patigorsk2020
          Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 21: 12
          -8
          Quote: OgnennyiKotik
          This is a provocation against Russia. The main question is why Aliyev is doing this?

          Aliyev has always been loyal to Russia. Since he speaks so openly, then there are 2 options. 1) Russia supplied Armenia not with the export version, but with the newest one. 2) Russia itself used this system against Azerbaijan and this hurt Aliyev.

          Aliyev would never have said another word so openly against Russia. It looks like there is a serious problem.
          1. ironic
            ironic April 12 2021 22: 49
            -2
            It's not about newness. Iskander-M, according to international agreements, can only be in service with the Russian Federation. The e-export version has a range of up to 300 km under the contract and cannot carry a cassette warhead.
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        10. paco.soto
          paco.soto April 12 2021 21: 17
          +5
          Syria.

          This is a provocation against Russia. The main question is why is Aliev doing this?
          In the voice of Sherlock Holmes: elementary Watson - to legally remove the presence of Russia in today's peacekeepers.
      2. Patigorsk2020
        Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 21: 10
        -5
        Quote: svp67
        And the numbers of at least one unit or unit can be presented ...

        “Fragments of rocket shells were found during operational activities in two different units near Shushi. During the examination by specialists, it was established that they belonged to the 9M723 missile, which is the code name of the Iskander. Rocket length - 7 m 23 cm, diameter - 920 mm "
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 12 2021 16: 38
      +2
      Aliyev: We are waiting for an answer to the question of how the Iskander-M missiles ended up in the hands of the Armenian army

      "Bayraktar" dragged out of nowhere ... wassat
      Pray to Allah that, by chance, there are no other toys in Armenia that discourage spoiling from under the protective cloak of the Turkish Pasha.
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          1. Spike Javelin Touvich
            Spike Javelin Touvich April 12 2021 18: 00
            -13%
            no one needs details from SOHA's sofa experts
            And in general, this sinecure which they disguise under the word "expert" is time to disperse
            This is the reality of these electronic warfare
          2. Patigorsk2020
            Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 21: 25
            -9
            Quote: Lara Croft
            We do not pray, but resort to the technical progress of the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation ...


            Believe the Horops, these progress is violet.


        4. MIG00001
          MIG00001 April 12 2021 17: 43
          +5
          Return all the gifts (land), then wake up to stink
        5. Incvizitor
          Incvizitor April 12 2021 19: 31
          +4
          In Syria, they were landed in a day in Novorossia, and they are immediately flooded and the Russian Federation is unlikely to ignore such aggression.
      2. ironic
        ironic April 12 2021 20: 51
        -7
        Are these toys allowed to be sold under an international agreement?
    3. Andrey Korotkov
      Andrey Korotkov April 12 2021 16: 41
      +4
      Quote: hirurg
      Let Aliyev himself investigate how they appeared.
      There were no launches recorded.
      The fragments are cassette, with Russian marking.
      They could not leave such funnels.
      Found already after 4 months.
      Where were they used? In Syria.
      And then Pashinan muttered something.
      Except as a provocation you can not name it.

      Yes, it seems, there was a delivery of Iskander E (280km) 6 or 8pcs 2016. but not Iskander M, maybe the question is in modification? Why beat the complex at the end of the war (Shusha)
      1. VyacheSeymour
        VyacheSeymour April 13 2021 00: 29
        +3
        Why beat the complex at the end of the war (Shusha)?

        A long time ago I wrote that Iskander is the worst thing that Russia could supply to Armenia ... is a powerful weapon, but in order to influence the course of the war, not dozens, but hundreds of missiles are needed ... and oddly enough, the political will on their use - after all, the weapon is personal (with a return address), you cannot give out a trophy of the last war as a tank gun! ... Then I called Iskander a weapon in the hands of Armenians hopelessness - chance to slam the door loudly, no more
        that ... which actually happened.
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        2. Andrey Korotkov
          Andrey Korotkov April 13 2021 13: 10
          0
          Quote: VyacheSeymour
          Why beat the complex at the end of the war (Shusha)?

          A long time ago I wrote that Iskander is the worst thing that Russia could supply to Armenia ... is a powerful weapon, but in order to influence the course of the war, not dozens, but hundreds of missiles are needed ... and oddly enough, the political will on their use - after all, the weapon is personal (with a return address), you cannot give out a trophy of the last war as a tank gun! ... Then I called Iskander a weapon in the hands of Armenians hopelessness - chance to slam the door loudly, no more
          that ... which actually happened.

          The complexes were delivered within the framework of the CSTO of Armenia not for the war with Azerbaijan, the decision of N.K.'s status lay in a peaceful plane, missiles for deterring completely different * neighbors *. Otherwise, I completely agree with you hi
          1. VyacheSeymour
            VyacheSeymour April 13 2021 15: 44
            0
            The complexes were delivered within the framework of the CSTO of Armenia not for the war with Azerbaijan, the decision of N.K.'s status lay in a peaceful plane, missiles for deterring completely different * neighbors

            And where does the CSTO ??? The complexes were supplied in the same
            within the framework that both the T-90s and other weapons to Azerbaijan - there is demand, there will be supply.
            1. Andrey Korotkov
              Andrey Korotkov April 13 2021 16: 06
              0
              And where does the CSTO ??? The complexes were supplied in the same
              within the framework that both the T-90s and other weapons to Azerbaijan - there is a demand, there will be supply. [/ quote]
              Not to resolve the NK status by war! The balance of power, you know this expression? By the way, Iskanders were not supplied to Azerbaijan! there were already enough Belarusian Poloneses and Israeli Lora
              1. VyacheSeymour
                VyacheSeymour April 13 2021 17: 07
                +2
                The balance of power, you know this expression? By the way, Iskanders were not supplied to Azerbaijan! there were already enough Belarusian Poloneses and Israeli Lora

                Both Polonaise and Laura appeared in opposition to Iskander, which Armenia already had ... So Iskander has nothing to do with the balance of forces with the systems you mentioned.
                Moreover, one and a half dozen Iskander missiles (the ammunition of one installation is 4 missiles) cannot be compared with a couple of hundred Polonez missiles and dozens of Laura's.
                1. Andrey Korotkov
                  Andrey Korotkov April 13 2021 17: 21
                  0
                  Quote: VyacheSeymour
                  The balance of power, you know this expression? By the way, Iskanders were not supplied to Azerbaijan! there were already enough Belarusian Poloneses and Israeli Lora

                  Both Polonaise and Laura appeared in opposition to Iskander, which Armenia already had ... So Iskander has nothing to do with the balance of forces with the systems you mentioned.
                  Moreover, one and a half dozen Iskander missiles (the ammunition of one installation is 4 missiles) cannot be compared with a couple of hundred Polonez missiles and dozens of Laura's.

                  That's what we are talking about, the balance of power is not for Armenia and Azerbaijan, but for other neighbors
                  1. VyacheSeymour
                    VyacheSeymour April 13 2021 19: 02
                    0
                    That's what we are talking about, the balance of power is not for Armenia and Azerbaijan, but for other neighbors

                    The Armenian Iskanders did not even give a hint of a balance (except perhaps for the Armenians themselves) with Azerbaijan, so what can we say about others of which can be described as: - "They will not be noticed!" Or did you mean Georgia?
                    1. Andrey Korotkov
                      Andrey Korotkov April 13 2021 19: 24
                      0
                      Quote: VyacheSeymour
                      That's what we are talking about, the balance of power is not for Armenia and Azerbaijan, but for other neighbors

                      The Armenian Iskanders did not even give a hint of a balance (except perhaps for the Armenians themselves) with Azerbaijan, so what can we say about others of which can be described as: - "They will not be noticed!" Or did you mean Georgia?

                      Transcaucasia is a very difficult region, I will say that it is often politically unstable, the Iskanders of Armenia and our base in Gyumri were supposed to complement each other, the decision of the Armenian government to use the complex in the war, I think it was a wrong decision
                      1. VyacheSeymour
                        VyacheSeymour April 13 2021 19: 49
                        +1
                        ... the decision of the Armenian government on the use of the complex in the war, I think it was a wrong decision

                        Exactly !
                        Although, by and large, all Armenian politics is one big mistake ...
                      2. Andrey Korotkov
                        Andrey Korotkov April 13 2021 20: 03
                        0
                        Shapkozakidatelskaya is more correct to say, hence the result negative , thanks for the adequate communication hi
  • Ramzaj99
    Ramzaj99 April 12 2021 19: 10
    +2
    Quote: hirurg

    There were no launches recorded.
    The fragments are cassette, with Russian marking.
    They could not leave such funnels.
    Found already after 4 months.
    Where were they used? In Syria.

    Everything is written above.
    Better not tell.
    The topic is nothing at all ...
  • yfast
    yfast April 12 2021 16: 29
    +11
    By the way, have the helicopter killers been executed yet?
  • seti
    seti April 12 2021 16: 31
    0
    Reply to Aliyev:
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty April 12 2021 16: 34
    +14
    We are waiting for an answer to the question when and how the jackals who shot down our helicopter will be punished! And then, it takes too much on itself!
    1. Spike Javelin Touvich
      Spike Javelin Touvich April 12 2021 16: 48
      -27%
      We are waiting for an answer to the question when and how the jackals who shot down our helicopter will be punished!

      get off the couch first
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty April 12 2021 16: 56
        +9
        Spike, are you sure I'm on the couch at home? If so, then you are a liar!
        1. Spike Javelin Touvich
          Spike Javelin Touvich April 12 2021 17: 01
          -22%
          How would -------- where are you. unlike those as you put it "jackals"
          These jackals guarded the sky and did not sit in warm rooms.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 April 12 2021 17: 37
            +7
            Was the sky of Armenia guarded?
            The helicopter did not fly to Azerbaijan.
            So you are off topic with your "answers".
            1. Spike Javelin Touvich
              Spike Javelin Touvich April 12 2021 17: 41
              -13%
              Was the sky of Armenia guarded?

              no, we noticed an attack helicopter 2 km from the border
              Should they use a fortune teller in their calculations or not?
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 April 12 2021 17: 43
                +6
                They had to shoot themselves out of fear, not shoot down a helicopter.
                2 km? Have you been there yourself? Who measured in meters? negative
                You will also say that the convoy, which he accompanied, went to Azerbaijan ... wassat
                No amount of delirium can justify this crime.
                And the criminals will be punished. You will see.
                1. Spike Javelin Touvich
                  Spike Javelin Touvich April 12 2021 17: 56
                  -11%
                  They had to shoot themselves out of fear, not shoot down a helicopter

                  Ish you, what s ------ s didn’t get shot but shot down
                  2 km? Have you been there yourself? Who measured in meters?
                  it seems that there is a radar for these purposes
                  And the criminals will be punished. You will see
                  it turns out that all who serve in the army are criminals ----- nonsense
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 April 12 2021 18: 31
                    +4
                    it turns out that all who serve in the army are criminals ----- nonsense

                    Ek sausages you. You keep talking nonsense.
                    What would you say if our military, in response to a downed helicopter, covered these campaigners from everything in service?
                    If it is not possible to close the question in a normal way, then it will continue to be so.
                    Nobody will forgive it. And no one will get better.
                    But muddy entrances leave no other choice.
                    Aliyev immediately pleaded guilty and promised an investigation.
                    Yap he what? I had a much better opinion of him.
                    1. Spike Javelin Touvich
                      Spike Javelin Touvich April 12 2021 18: 41
                      -6
                      Aliyev immediately pleaded guilty and promised an investigation

                      the fact that the shot down helicopter immediately recognized and did not deny this is a lot of what it says, right?
                      and as for the investigation, public opinion has not yet been canceled
                      the servicemen acted according to instructions
                      1. Alex777
                        Alex777 April 12 2021 18: 46
                        +2
                        the servicemen acted according to instructions

                        Yes Yes...
                        Polad said so - in war as in war.
                        Don't complain only later. This stick has two ends. hi
                        I am very sorry that your hands are raking in the heat of others.
                        Now you have to invent stories about Iskander-M? A shame.
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                      1. Alex777
                        Alex777 April 15 2021 23: 29
                        0
                        And I am sure that if he is not condemned, someone will come and shoot him. Personal experience. bully
                      2. Albay
                        Albay April 16 2021 00: 35
                        -2
                        I am sure that if he is not condemned, then whoever is needed will come and shoot

                        Of course they will not be condemned, because hardly anyone could shoot down except for the Armenians.
                        Well, they didn't shoot anyone for their generals who were shot down by the Armenians.
                        Wait and see)
          2. Patigorsk2020
            Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 21: 31
            -7
            Quote: Alex777
            The helicopter did not fly to Azerbaijan.

            open google map and see where it was shot down. The questions will disappear. And do not tell me why at night during the war they decided to fly on the border of the warring countries without identification signs and warning?
        2. Thrifty
          Thrifty April 12 2021 18: 01
          +5
          Spikes, they are criminals, just like the one who gave the order! Shooting at the helicopter is not your own initiative, the command was given by a superior person. It's difficult to think with your head, it's easier to give an order without thinking about the consequences!
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft April 12 2021 21: 31
      +3
      Quote: Spikes Javelin Touvich
      We are waiting for an answer to the question when and how the jackals who shot down our helicopter will be punished!

      get off the couch first

      And you are from the chamber pot ...
  • Patigorsk2020
    Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 21: 29
    -10%
    Quote: Thrifty
    We are waiting for an answer to the question when and how the jackals who shot down our helicopter will be punished! And then, it takes too much on itself!

    We are also waiting for an answer to the question, which "SMART" one sends a convoy with a new route and a helicopter during military operations without notifications and identification marks at night sends a flight to the border of 2 warring countries? Do you want to answer this question? Moreover, as the Azerbaijani side said, helicopters and convoys never flew or traveled by that route.

    Otherwise, I see you are taking too much of the sofa expert.
  • tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 April 12 2021 16: 39
    +12
    Well, not perverts? !!! Why didn't they put the heads of the Armenian soldiers on bayonets along the alley? I don’t remember anyone so perverted over the vanquished in modern history.
    1. Spike Javelin Touvich
      Spike Javelin Touvich April 12 2021 16: 52
      -17%


      Napolen's cannons in the Moscow Kremlin
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 April 12 2021 16: 46
    0
    That's it, said Rosoboronexport.
  • Old26
    Old26 April 12 2021 16: 51
    0
    During the opening of the military trophy park, Ilham Aliyev said that "he is waiting for an answer to the question of how Armenia got the missiles that it should not have."

    Here, most likely, it would be more correct to ask the question of how the Karabakh Defense Army got these missiles. "Iskander-E" were delivered to Armenia in due time. But after all, Armenia claimed that it was not fighting in Karabakh, that the army of Karabakh was there. So where did the AOK get the Iskanders ???
    1. Patigorsk2020
      Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 22: 19
      -4
      Quote: Old26
      Here, most likely, it would be more correct to ask the question of how the Karabakh Defense Army got these missiles.

      From the very beginning, the Armenians have confused the whole world in this way. They say there are people living in Karabakh who are being infringed upon. who have their own army, their own country. And the reality is, these are the same Armenians. And the same Armenians fought with us and 99% of the dead. Armenian registration. That's what everyone thinks. Aliyev is correct in saying that he defeated the Armenian army. There is no Partakh army or any other army. These are the same Armenians.

      The population of Karabakh from Armenians is 145000. Minus women, old people and children, disabled people ..... And everyone wants to say that the Karabakh part of the Armenians fought with Azerbaijan?
      1. aslanismaili611
        aslanismaili611 April 13 2021 00: 08
        -4
        If the Kremlin has already decided to make a dirty trick to another disobedient neighbor, then certainly great warriors like the Karabakh "lions" in Azerbaijan, the invincible Transnistrian army, the Donbass people's militia, which has only 700 trophy tanks, undaunted Abkhaz warriors in Velikaya Georgian Empire. Coincidence? sure! and clean.
  • Holuay T.O
    Holuay T.O April 12 2021 16: 57
    -10%
    Whatever it was, but Aliyev won
    1. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor April 12 2021 19: 35
      -1
      Another1 more fell under the Turks and zero sense.
      1. Patigorsk2020
        Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 22: 22
        -6
        Quote: Incvizitor
        Another1 more fell under the Turks and zero sense.

        Lay down? How do you know what fraternal ties are ....... you understand that language, faith, everything is identical between Azerbaijan and Turkey. I understand in your concept of brotherly bonds does not exist, I saw it both in Ukraine and in Belarus. Therefore, such concepts do not reach you. In what do you see that Azerbaijan fell under Turkey? Before the war, Turkey set f16 at all airports and said if someone third gets in, I will get in too. This is an ally, this is a brother, and now, of course, you will minus the bile. You will not understand this. You and you will think like you that Azerbaijan has become a bedding, igil fought for them, aliens and riches and terminators ............ I'm sorry for you ..............
  • APASUS
    APASUS April 12 2021 17: 00
    +2
    Aliyev confuses something or raised the topic on purpose, pretending not to know?
    The American military portal Defense-blog reported on the delivery of the latest Iskander-M missile systems to Yerevan on September 16, and five days later they were already demonstrated at the military parade in the Armenian capital in honor of the 25th anniversary of the country's independence.
    1. Patigorsk2020
      Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 22: 25
      -6
      Quote: APASUS
      Aliyev confuses something or raised the topic on purpose, pretending not to know?

      And you do not want to admit that it was the Armenian army that fought with Azerbaijan and not some kind of ancient people of Karabakh ?????????? by the way, whose population does not even reach 150K.

      Aliyev has always treated Russia with kindness and loyalty, even his daughter held events for children in kindergartens in Moscow the other day. And this is money. Or do you think they have no place to spend their money?

      Since he says this so openly, it means he has direct facts ............ there are 2 options.

      1) Russia supplied Armenia not with the export version, but with the M-version.
      2) Russia itself fired at Azerbaijan and this is already a scandal and there will be a very big scandal. Even for the M version.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS April 13 2021 16: 38
        0
        Quote: Patigorsk2020
        And you do not want to admit that it was the Armenian army that fought with Azerbaijan and not some kind of ancient people of Karabakh ?????????? by the way, whose population does not even reach 150K.

        Not with the army of Armenia, but with a small part
        Quote: Patigorsk2020
        Aliyev has always treated Russia with kindness and loyalty, even his daughter held events for children in kindergartens in Moscow the other day. And this is money. Or do you think they have no place to spend their money?

        What does this change in the essence of the conflict over Karabakh? Just don't drag Russians here

        Quote: Patigorsk2020
        1) Russia supplied Armenia not with the export version, but with the M-version.

        It is strange that you have to prove a known fact. Why it is not known to Aliyev and you, I don’t understand
        Quote: Patigorsk2020
        2) Russia itself fired at Azerbaijan and this is already a scandal and there will be a very big scandal.

        Why does Russia need it? And given that it will not be possible to hide the launch of Iskander, the answer is already known. Another thing is that it promotes the media in order to get a scandal, but here is the question: Why does Aliyev need a scandal?
  • venik
    venik April 12 2021 17: 07
    +6
    "....The most resonant exhibit is the wreckage of the rocket, which Aliyev himself called the wreckage of the Iskander-M rocket......... "
    =======
    And then: "questions ... questions .... questions !... ":

    1) - And that Ilham did not know that Iskander were delivered to Armenia (moreover long before the conflict!)?

    2) - He, what - such special, what can the BR determine from the wreckage: is it an Iskander or Iskander-M?

    3) - Do they (Azerbaijanis) know anything about Iskander? (They - they were NOT SUPPLIED!) ... Or they found the wreckage P-500 or found the wreckage of 9M729 at a distance exceeding 300 km (from the contact line) ????
    Then WHY "keep quiet"? PRESENT!
    Well, if - NO ..... Well then: "keep your mouth shut in the same rag"!

    PS It looks like the Turks in Baku are not wasting time in vain! And the Yankees too !!!
    angry am
    1. Spike Javelin Touvich
      Spike Javelin Touvich April 12 2021 17: 17
      -9
      [/ quote] 1) - What did Ilham not know that Iskander were delivered to Armenia (and long before the conflict!)?
      But he talked about 50 flights of ILov 76 per day.
      2) - Is he so special that he can determine from the wreckage of the BR: is it "Iskander", or "Iskander-M"?
      no, there are specialists in the Ministry of Defense for this
      3) - Do they (Azerbaijanis) know anything about Iskander?
      [Quote]
      PS It looks like the Turks in Baku are not wasting time in vain! And the Yankees too !!!
      And therefore, in all the embassies of the world, the position of Military Attache has been created.
      1. venik
        venik April 12 2021 17: 43
        +4
        Quote: Spike Javelin Touvich
        It looks like the Turks in Baku are not wasting time in vain! And the Yankees too !!!
        And therefore, in all the embassies of the world, the position of Military Attache has been created.

        =======
        Javelin Touvich! The position of "military attaché" is one of the oldest in world diplomacy!
        No wonder they say:
        1) - The most "Ancient profession" is ... Hmmmm (well, in general - a woman with "reduced social responsibility") So to speak.....
        2) - The second "oldest profession" is journalist!
        3) - The third most ancient profession: - spy!
        -----
        Now add:
        1 (profession) + 2 (profession) + 3 (profession) = Military attaché!!! request

        PS One very famous politician said: "What is a military attaché?" It - accredited spy!"
        ( lol laughing bully )

        PS Well, right now, they will "fly in" .... Well, "slippers from the couch" I can handle it somehow .....
        But the guys from the military-diplomatic service ate, "boots will start tossing ... recourse repeat
        hi
      2. Patigorsk2020
        Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 22: 31
        -4
        Quote: Spike Javelin Touvich
        And therefore, in all the embassies of the world, the position of Military Attache has been created.

        opened google. wrote the military attaché of Russia at the embassy .......... more than 400.000 responses. AND?
    2. Patigorsk2020
      Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 22: 29
      -7
      Quote: venik
      1) - And that Ilham did not know that Iskander were delivered to Armenia (and long before the conflict!)?

      So Armenia fought against Azerbaijan or some ancient people from Karabakh? and THIS already says that Azerbaijan has the right to attack Armenia itself and then it will not seem a little to it, and if Russia gets in, then there will be a big mess. And there, and Ukraine will trample and Moldova and Georgia, and who is not lazy. Smells 3rd. Are the Armenians worth it? You are ready to pay for them with your lives. That is the question. Aliyev then has every right to attack Zengezur! Return of territories.

      Quote: venik
      2) - Is he so special that he can determine from the wreckage of the BR: is it "Iskander", or "Iskander-M"?

      What do you think the country that showed the war of the 21st century, the war of drones, will not be able to sort out the wreckage or find someone who will figure it out?
  • Dym71
    Dym71 April 12 2021 17: 09
    0
    In the last photo, the spitting image of Ilham Heydarovich bully
    1. Petr Vladimirovich
      Petr Vladimirovich April 12 2021 17: 35
      +1
      There are a lot of both in Moscow. Mosque and Armenian Temple within walking distance ... OK ...
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 12 2021 17: 22
    -1
    Aliyev .... So he could open the "Military Balance", well, or Wikiperdia at worst.
    There in black and white - Armenia has Iskanders. I may be wrong, but there is no difference between 9M723 and 9M723-E. This is essentially the same missile, but "E" with coarse characteristics in terms of range - 280 km.
    You can identify it by the serial number where this creation comes from.
    Aliyev could have turned to our RF Ministry of Defense with a demand for clarification. Already there is a complete inside story.
    Iskander is a piece goods.
    If the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation responds to the request, then Pashinyan can be boldly pulled up for matnya. laughingOr hang him by the ears. Now both Azerbaijanis and we will carry Pashinyan by the tongue.
  • Volder
    Volder April 12 2021 17: 23
    +4
    Why is the use of Iskander missiles in Karabakh fiction? Answer in detail:
  • nnm
    nnm April 12 2021 17: 30
    -3
    And why, in fact, in his opinion, Armenia should not have these missiles? Is Russia obliged to notify Azerbaijan of all transactions with Armenia?
    1. ironic
      ironic April 12 2021 20: 47
      -5
      Because Iskander-M cannot be supplied under a contract.
      1. Shadow041
        Shadow041 April 12 2021 21: 17
        +3
        Probably even Chechen terrorists like Matsuraev cannot be hidden from justice in the Russian Federation on the territory of Azerbaijan, but Aliyev does it ... So, before throwing the evidence of the Russian Federation, let him report for his sins, and if he doesn’t want to, let him be silent in a rag!
        1. ironic
          ironic April 12 2021 22: 18
          -4
          I don't know who is hiding whom, but hiding the M version is not in service with the Russian army, as if it is impossible under international treaties.
          1. Shadow041
            Shadow041 April 12 2021 23: 02
            +2
            About how Azerbaijan commits a crime against the Russian Federation by harboring Chechen terrorists on its territory, you allegedly do not know, although without the knowledge of your authorities these bandits cannot be in your country, since at least they did not have Azerbaijani citizenship, and claims to RF present ... Either do not violate the rights of the RF, or do not demand from the RF observance of your rights!
            1. ironic
              ironic April 13 2021 13: 06
              0
              As it turned out, Azerbaijan did not harbor anyone. I have nothing to do with Azerbaijan, and a specific person and a specific case also have nothing to do with the consideration of the issue. The question of how the banned for delivery to other countries, according to the laws of the Russian Federation (because it signed this agreement), ended up outside its borders remains open and legitimate. Either the fact itself will be refuted, or it will be investigated and the conclusions published. Your cliché generalizations, turning into hysteria, please leave for the rallies under the shouts of hurray.
    2. Patigorsk2020
      Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 22: 33
      -6
      Quote: nnm
      And why, in fact, in his opinion, Armenia should not have these missiles?

      For this, Armenia will receive a second round. This is a declaration of war on Azerbaijan. And if Russia intervenes, then Turkey and Pakistan will intervene. Are you personally ready to sacrifice Russian lives for the Armenians? According to the rules of the CSTO, Russia in this case has no right to intervene. And Azerbaijan will give the Armenians stars for this unambiguously, they certainly will not seem a little.

      And Krylov's fables about the fact that a certain ancient army of Karabakh fought with Azerbaijan will not give a ride !!!
      1. ironic
        ironic April 13 2021 13: 07
        -2
        I think the issue will be resolved in the political and legal field.
  • Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 12 2021 17: 32
    +4
    Gee, the Armenians were also to blame. Woe to the vanquished. laughing
  • MIG00001
    MIG00001 April 12 2021 17: 32
    +2
    "where did the Armenian troops get the missiles from?" What a stupid question, this is a war, which means that any weapon is used that they could get, even if Armenia had Armor
    1. ironic
      ironic April 12 2021 20: 48
      -9
      And who supplied the weapons that are prohibited from supplying under an international treaty?
      1. Usher
        Usher April 13 2021 01: 10
        +1
        Who banned it? And that ISIS terrorists are now allowed?
        1. ironic
          ironic April 13 2021 12: 43
          -3
          Well, in general, everyone who signed the contract was banned. RF including. And that ISIS terrorists are products of the military-industrial complex with the stigma of the country's release?
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 April 12 2021 17: 34
    +13
    There is no way to calm down ... a museum of trophies, license plates from cars taken from Armenians. It is not in vain that the Armenians continue to think about revenge, there will be no friendship with such a neighbor. And it looks like the laurels of the winner are so ingrained in the image of Aliyev that he probably sleeps in camouflage shorts.
    1. Patigorsk2020
      Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 22: 39
      -8
      Quote: Vladimir61
      It is not in vain that the Armenians continue to think about revenge, there will be no friendship with such a neighbor.

      In the first, Karabakh is not their land. Not according to documents, not according to international law.
      In the second, revenge for what they themselves do not recognize?
      In the third, if they decide to make revenge, then Armenia will disappear as an independent country. It will either be part of Russia or Azerbaijan.
      Fourth, before talking nonsense about neighborhood, friendship, look through the history of how many times these friends attacked Azerbaijan. Start from the 4th century. Do not respect yourself with such friends! And they know this very well in Azerbaijan! This time, pigeons and songs will not ride !!!
      In the 5th, before accusing Azerbaijanis, the Armenians are already everywhere buzzing about revenge, showing such photos .......... they say the future generation will take revenge and all that ....... so everything is in order.
      In the 6th ... what else should the Armenians do against you and your country so that you do not defend them so ardently? Like spitting was enough .......... or is it not enough for you?

      1. Usher
        Usher April 13 2021 01: 07
        -1
        Since when is Karabakh is Ayzerbajan? I have not been to the Caucasus, but I carefully studied this issue. Historically, Karabakh is behind Armenia. International law is referred to only when it is beneficial. At other times, nobody gives a shit.
        1. Patigorsk2020
          Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 07: 44
          -3
          Quote: Usher
          Since when is Karabakh is Ayzerbajan

          not Azerbaijan but Azerbaijan. You call Karabakh (Black Garden) in the Azerbaijani language, and claim that it is not Azerbaijan?)))) It seems that the Armenians did not recognize it either.

          Quote: Usher
          I have not been to the Caucasus, but I carefully studied this issue. Historically, Karabakh is behind Armenia.

          For more details)))))))))))))) in what century? Year? And then in response I will say, if we change the world map by these dates, do you mind?)))))))))
      2. Usher
        Usher April 13 2021 01: 09
        0
        I saw how the brave Azerbaijanis cut off the heads of the old people))) Good neighbors, and they also shout "Allah Babah". The top of civilization and peacefulness.
        1. Patigorsk2020
          Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 07: 45
          -3
          Quote: Usher
          I watched how the brave Azerbaijanis cut off the heads of old people))

          and the fact that the body of the Azerbaijani soldier is fed to the pigs, the fact that the Armenians cut off their heads, you certainly did not see this .................. ???????????? ?
          1. Usher
            Usher April 14 2021 21: 43
            -2
            Quote: Patigorsk2020
            Quote: Usher
            I watched how the brave Azerbaijanis cut off the heads of old people))

            and the fact that the body of the Azerbaijani soldier is fed to the pigs, the fact that the Armenians cut off their heads, you certainly did not see this .................. ???????????? ?

            Surprisingly, I sit in military publics in a telegram and have not seen, but I have seen the opposite.
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  • Avior
    Avior April 12 2021 17: 36
    -2
    The RF Ministry of Defense was in a hurry, it seems with an official statement. We got into embarrassment
    Moscow. 25 February. INTERFAX-AVN - Armenia did not use Iskander operational-tactical complexes in the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, statements by Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan about their ineffectiveness are surprising, the Russian Defense Ministry said on Thursday.

    "The Russian Defense Ministry got acquainted with bewilderment and surprise with the statement of the Prime Minister of the Republic of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan that the Iskander missiles used in Nagorno-Karabakh by the Armenian armed forces" did not explode or only exploded by 10%, "the statement of the Defense Ministry said. RF.
    "According to the objective and reliable information we have, confirmed, among other things, by the system of objective control, none of the missile systems of this type were used during the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh. All missile ammunition is in the warehouses of the armed forces of the Republic of Armenia," in the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
    “Apparently, the Prime Minister of the Republic of Armenia, Mr. Nikol Pashinyan, was misled, as a result of which he used inaccurate information,” the statement said.
    1. Nestor Vlakhovski
      Nestor Vlakhovski April 12 2021 17: 53
      -6
      The press service of the Ministry of Defense, in an attempt to refute Pashnyan's statements, published a video of very controversial content filmed in Syria.
      More and more questions arise in the professional suitability and just the sanity of persons defining the "official line". Well, you can't screw up so much.
  • sawic1
    sawic1 April 12 2021 17: 50
    0
    For the sake of a loud statement, they could have brought the wreckage from Syria, one thing is an exposition in a museum, another video from a place where everything is clearly filmed
  • Old26
    Old26 April 12 2021 17: 53
    +5
    Quote: APASUS
    Aliyev confuses something or raised the topic on purpose, pretending not to know?
    The American military portal Defense-blog reported on the delivery of the latest Iskander-M missile systems to Yerevan on September 16, and five days later they were already demonstrated at the military parade in the Armenian capital in honor of the 25th anniversary of the country's independence.

    Iskander-M is not supplied anywhere in accordance with the MTCR. Only Iskander-E. Therefore, Aliyev is mistaken when speaking about Iskander-M, although the question of why he ended up in Karabakh remains

    Quote: venik
    1) - And that Ilham did not know that Iskander were delivered to Armenia (and long before the conflict!)?

    2) - Is he so special that he can determine from the wreckage of the BR: is it "Iskander", or "Iskander-M"?

    3) - Do they (Azerbaijanis) know anything about Iskander? (They - they were NOT SUPPLIED!) .... Or they found the debris of the R-500 or found the debris of the 9M729 at a distance exceeding 300 km (from the contact line) ????
    Then WHY "keep quiet"? PRESENT!
    Well, if - NO ..... Well then: "keep your mouth shut in the same rag"!

    PS It looks like the Turks in Baku are not wasting time in vain! And the Yankees too !!!

    Namesake, I have already asked some of the questions.
    1) The thing is that the trophy park is essentially trophies taken from the Karabakh Defense Army. After all, Armenia was not officially at war with Azerbaijan. Where, then, does Karabakh have Iskanders?
    2) This is not Iskander-M at all, but Iskander-E. Iskander-M "is only in service with the Russian army and the launchers of this complex are capable of using both ballistic missiles and winged ones. The usual Iskander, like Iskander-E, has only ballistic missiles.
    3) In the photo posted just below by comrade OgnennyiKotik, you can see the tail compartment 9M723 (9M729 is a missile with a nuclear warhead and a nuclear engine. It is also "Petrel"). The P-500 was not even close there. So the question of Aliyev, although with some amendments, is there. Where are these missiles from in Karabakh.

    Quote: Yujanin
    The Russian Federation used Iskander-K cruise missiles in Syria.

    The Iskander-K complex does not exist. There is (existed) the Iskander and Iskander-E complexes, which could only use 9M723 missiles and the Iskander-M complex, which can use 9M723 ballistic missiles and 9M728 cruise missiles. The name "Iskander-K" is an invention of idle journalists
    1. Liam
      Liam April 12 2021 20: 57
      +2
      Quote: Old26
      Where are these missiles from in Karabakh.

      Comrade Okkama gave an exhaustive answer to this question long ago.
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 April 12 2021 18: 32
    +2
    Doesn't he collect scalps?
    1. Usher
      Usher April 13 2021 01: 06
      +1
      Quote: Dimy4
      Doesn't he collect scalps?

      I thought so too. Some kind of barbarity.
  • Bakinec
    Bakinec April 12 2021 18: 53
    -3
    Nobody, including Russia, expected that Azerbaijan would take the city of Shusha in a short time and reach Khankendi (Stepanakert). Therefore, to cool the ardor of Azerbaijanis, Shusha was fired from the Russian base. It was a signal to stop. Because if Khankendi was seized, there would be no Armenians left in Karabakh. And this is not beneficial to Russia. Russia, like any superpower, using conflicts on the territory of its neighbors, keeps them under control. This is neither good nor bad. It is a fact. This is how all strong states operate. The withdrawal of Armenians from the territory of Azerbaijan would mean the loss of the main lever of pressure on Azerbaijan. And this is not forgivable for Russia.
    As for the tales of the experts that these wrecks are from Syria, the pictures of the wreckage show the license plates of the spare parts. The Russian Ministry of Defense can easily determine where these missiles were based. And if they were from Syria, then the Ministry of Defense would immediately accuse Azerbaijan of lying (like Pashinyan). But MO is silent.
    1. Patigorsk2020
      Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 21: 34
      -5
      Quote: Bakinec
      It was a signal to stop.

      It will be a very big scandal with bad consequences. The only country that was loyal to Russia will be lost !!! And it is unlikely that Azerbaijan will now allow the peacekeepers to sit there. The process of deportation is not, I think.
      1. Humpty
        Humpty April 13 2021 05: 01
        0
        Quote: Patigorsk2020
        The only country that was loyal to Russia will be lost !!! And it is unlikely that Azerbaijan will now allow the peacekeepers to sit there. The process of deportation is not, I think.

        Then you will flatten your fingers on the keyboard not in your Absheron, but in your Mangyshlak. What difference does it make to you.
      2. cost 75
        cost 75 April 13 2021 07: 43
        +1
        In vain Aliyev started all this. Those who are friends with Russia will have Karabakh. An attempt to squeeze out the peacekeepers will end in his loss.
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 April 12 2021 19: 15
    +4
    Where are the Iskanders from? From the camel, do you have any more questions?
    1. ironic
      ironic April 12 2021 20: 50
      -5
      Well then, they may ask, where is the camel accredited?
  • iouris
    iouris April 12 2021 19: 35
    +3
    Aliyev is so-so Tamerlane, but this museum resembles the famous painting by Vereshchagin "The Apotheosis of War".
    He does not spare money for propaganda, but did he pay compensation for the downed helicopter?
    1. Patigorsk2020
      Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 21: 35
      -8
      Quote: iouris
      He does not spare money for propaganda, but did he pay compensation for the downed helicopter?

      and before payment, the Russian side will not answer what a military helicopter was doing on the border with Azerbaijan at night flying at low altitudes without identification signs and warnings, and moreover, it had never flown there before.
      All in attention .............
      1. iouris
        iouris April 12 2021 23: 25
        0
        As you can understand, he has not paid and is not going to pay. I thought so.
        1. Patigorsk2020
          Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 07: 47
          -3
          Quote: iouris
          As you can understand, he has not paid and is not going to pay. I thought so.

          As far as I know, it has been paid for a long time (to the families of the injured pilots), but I notice no one is going to answer these questions. And for some reason it seems so to me that this is a pure setup.
      2. Usher
        Usher April 13 2021 01: 05
        -3
        Quote: Patigorsk2020
        Quote: iouris
        He does not spare money for propaganda, but did he pay compensation for the downed helicopter?

        and before payment, the Russian side will not answer what a military helicopter was doing on the border with Azerbaijan at night flying at low altitudes without identification signs and warnings, and moreover, it had never flown there before.
        All in attention .............

        CHITO? How should Azerbaijan worry at all? With identifying ones, with non-identifying ones? They did not fly on their territory. They have ISIS terrorists in their army.
        1. Patigorsk2020
          Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 07: 51
          -2
          Quote: Usher
          They did not fly on their territory

          the helicopter was shot down at the border, with the help of anti-aircraft missiles, fell on the mountains. and now open google and look where the mountain is located and where the border is, and also just in case, see the range of the needle gun ... and just in case where the road is ... and then answer yourself one more question, why so deviate yes more towards the border of Azerbaijan .... from your words it turns out that Azerbaijan shoots and destroys what is flying on the territory of Armenia.

          don't make yourself look funny and dull

          Quote: Usher
          They have ISIS terrorists in their army.

          Not only Ishil. There were both Hezbollah and the aliens and the cyborgs and the Marcians. And why did they keep silent? ))))
  • Thunder
    Thunder April 12 2021 19: 56
    0
    Russia sold Iskander to Armenia and not as NKR ...

    All 44 days of the war, Armenia tried in every possible way to involve Russia in the conflict and make it a side of the confrontation.

    - The Armenian side stated that Azerbaijan uses Turkish F-16s, but no evidence was provided (the planes at the airport in the pictures do not count)
    - Pakistani and Turkish special forces.
    - leaked terrorists in Dagestan and Chechnya.
    - The shelling of Azerbaijani cities was carried out from the territory of Armenia (including ballistic missiles) in the hope that Baku would respond with strikes against Armenia, which Azerbaijan did not.
    - There was an attempt at provocation at the border, and as a result of the failure to fulfill the order of the Armenian Prime Minister during the war, the commander of the border troops of the National Security Service of Armenia Vaghinak Sargsyan was dismissed.
    - Propaganda and fooling the population to the fullest ... they win, they are already in Baku !!!

    Understanding the scale of the catastrophe caused by defeat in the war, the Sorosets (in the last days of the war - KB) went to increase the rates, the use of Iskander could create conditions for the full-fledged connection of Turkey and the ability for Azerbaijan to fire directly on the territory of Armenia ... CSTO in would not work in this case ...

    Baku, simply realizing that there is nothing to talk about with Pashinyan, who was burnt on this topic, sends its requests to Moscow.
    Although, Azerbaijan can attract international experts to investigate Iskander.

    You can't play in silence. First of all, because this is the country on whose territory our peacekeepers are located .... to put it mildly, the irresponsible behavior of Yerevan, which used the rocket, was in the last days of the OBD, when the condition of ending the war was already discussed ...

    “According to the objective and reliable information we have, confirmed, among other things, by the system of objective control, none of the missile systems of this type were used during the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh,” the RF Ministry of Defense said at a briefing ...
  • yuratanja1950
    yuratanja1950 April 12 2021 20: 04
    +1
    Somehow I could not understand what kind of noise and what kind of claims ... It's a pity, I have no links at hand to information about the supply of Iskanders by Russia to Armenia ... I don't remember, a couple of installations or something, and in the export version and with some restrictions on missiles ... BUT IT was in the open media, on open information sites !!!
    Another question is whether Armenia used these complexes on the territory of Azerbaijan, and how effectively. THIS is a completely different question !!!
    Something Aliyev's advisers are illiterate to substitute their boss ... fool hi
    1. Patigorsk2020
      Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 21: 41
      -3
      Quote: yuratanja1950
      I don’t remember, a couple of installations or something, moreover in the export version and with some restrictions on missiles ... BUT IT was in the open media, on open information sites !!!

      It says here that they have marking 9M723E, while ordinary ones have 9M723.
      https://vpk.name/library/f/iskander.html
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    1. ironic
      ironic April 12 2021 22: 39
      -4
      Hasn't he been living in Chechnya since 2008?
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      2. Shadow041
        Shadow041 April 12 2021 23: 08
        +1
        Even if he was pardoned, then before he was hiding from justice in the Russian Federation in your Baku and you had no right to harbor a terrorist wanted in the Russian Federation on your territory. Besides, he is not the only one. It's easier to ask the Russian Federation than from Aliyev, isn't it ?!
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        2. VyacheSeymour
          VyacheSeymour April 13 2021 09: 09
          0
          Even if he was pardoned, then before he was hiding from justice in the Russian Federation in your Baku and you had no right to harbor a terrorist wanted in the Russian Federation on your territory

          Of course he had no right ... - but, on one condition: there must be an official request to the Azerbaijani law enforcement officers for his extradition! Do you have reliable information on this matter?
          If not, then Azerbaijan is not obliged to monitor the decisions of the regional courts of the regions of the Russian Federation, and even more so the activities of individual citizens of Russia, if they do not threaten the security of Azerbaijan.
          A question to you: - "How, a person who is wanted in the Russian Federation, can cross international borders (primarily Russian) ????? ... After all, not having received a stamp in the passport on crossing the border of the Russian Federation to enter Azerbaijan, what to Turkey is not realistic ... Or terrorists, when crossing the border of the Russian Federation, when leaving, Russian law enforcement officers issue
          document confirming their terrorist nature
          activity, in the presence of which they are accepted with open arms ????
        3. ironic
          ironic April 13 2021 12: 55
          0
          Who is this with you? In general, I live a little north of Tel Aviv and have never been to Azerbaijan in my life. It is amazing how few people in the Russian Internet are talking in cliches. Did you come to this yourself or who taught you this? Well, yes, this is open information that he lived in Azerbaijan for some time, and then returned to Chechnya. In general, handing over people upon request is a lengthy legal process, not a one-minute event. This particular person returned to his homeland and this issue is no longer relevant. Why are these extreme shouts?
    2. Anar
      Anar April 13 2021 09: 23
      -2
      Firstly, around this person, most likely you personally look like a clown. Secondly, Chechens are not terrorists !!! It is very despicable of you to add "terrorist" next to the name of the proud nation Chechen. For your information, terrorists have no religion or nationality. In a third, who told you that the terrorist is on the territory of Azerbaijan?
      1. ironic
        ironic April 13 2021 12: 58
        -1
        Yes, he lived, this is open information, but the person has already returned to his homeland in Chechnya and lives there completely openly. There is no point in discussing this topic. Everything is transparent.
  • Patigorsk2020
    Patigorsk2020 April 12 2021 21: 32
    -3
    FSB launched an investigation into illegal deliveries of Iskander-M from Russia to Karabakh

    The Department of Military Counterintelligence of the Federal Security Service of Russia has launched an investigation into the appearance of unreported Iskander-Ms in Armenia and their use in Nagorno-Karabakh.

    The illegal acquisition of Iskander-M from warehouses in the Red Banner Order of Suvorov in the Southern Military District of the Russian Federation, their illegal delivery to Armenia and payment for this operation through Lebanese and Russian banks is a situation that requires extremely harsh responses from the Russian military and special services.
    An official investigation by the Russian Ministry of Defense, launched in October last year, into the involvement of military officials in illegal arms shipments to Armenia, which followed Ilham Aliyev's statement about the ongoing smuggling of arms to the Armenian side, led to shocking results.

    Suspicious invoices in the warehouses of missile and artillery weapons of the district, completely inexplicable flights of military transport aircraft in the direction of Armenia and, finally, the acquisition of an Il-76 by a Russian-based businessman Karen Karapetyan at a residual value, shocked the Russian special forces, who, by virtue of their profession, it would seem that they have seen the views, and have forgotten how to be surprised.

    Streams of messages from the territorial departments of the FSB about the transfer of mercenaries and weapons from Russia to Karabakh, about movements in the bank accounts of some officials merged into one information stream, the puzzle was formed.

    “In the Southern Military District, the Armenian diaspora of Russia formed a network of illegal arms supplies to Armenia, bypassing the system of military-technical cooperation with the CSTO member state,” informed sources close to the Russian Defense Ministry told our correspondent. The activities of the Armenian diaspora and pro-Armenian lobbyists have crossed the red line where social and political activities end and that special section of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, which is about high treason, begins.

    Anti-tank missile systems, MANPADS systems, charges for them, and even at least three Iskander, not to mention mines, cartridges and small arms, left the warehouses of the Russian military districts in relatively large volumes.

    And the accounts of the dummies were transferred from businessmen of Armenian origin from the Krasnoyarsk and Krasnodar Territories, the Tula and Oryol Regions, Moscow and St. Petersburg, even the Khabarovsk Territory. The list is impressive - shopping centers, supermarkets, construction offices and all kinds of “Armenshabash” dukans, all were involved in these schemes.

    It's a paradox, but all this helped Yerevan in defending the occupied territories like a dead poultice. And the main reason is greed.

    “That’s what the matter is,” explained sources in the Russian military-industrial complex, familiar with the situation, in a confidential conversation to the author of these lines. “They bought a lot, but they did not understand at all that any weapon, be it the Kornet, Igla or Iskander, is a complex that includes complex guidance, control systems, and so on, requiring high user competence. They saved on the difficult, thinking that press the trigger - and that's it. "

    According to the latest information, the leadership of the FSB and the Russian Ministry of Defense submitted a report to the country's leadership on the illegal deliveries of Iskander-M OTRK to Armenia.
    1. ironic
      ironic April 13 2021 13: 00
      -1
      The alignment is interesting, however ... And what else can you buy and deliver like that?
  • Old26
    Old26 April 12 2021 21: 34
    +1
    Quote: Lara Croft
    If the Russian Federation withdraws from the Wassenaar Agreements, then the RA may also have a BR MD ... then Erdogan will also jump in bewilderment ...

    And here the Wassenaar agreement and the presence of the RA short-range missiles. The RA already has them. The range is no more than 300 km. And in order for the RA to have something more long-range, Russia, to its own detriment, must withdraw from these agreements ???
  • FrankyStein
    FrankyStein April 12 2021 22: 30
    +1
    Why did the Armenians have to transfer m ?????? What did they want to achieve by this? And what are they for export, where is the logic? Now we got ourselves into a mess, this is what kind of vines one should be. However, I have not been surprised at this for a long time, but here they clearly broke through the bottom.
  • Usher
    Usher April 13 2021 01: 03
    -4
    How disgusting it looks. These people have not yet emerged from the Middle Ages. Show helmets from killed people, with many of whom lived in the same country 30 years ago. In my opinion it looks like it smacks of schizophrenia. And since when does he ask something? This Aliyev is a war criminal. I would be silent in a rag.
    1. Anar
      Anar April 13 2021 09: 16
      -6
      These people even show helmets, but some show how people break their arms and legs and also pierce their breasts with a sledgehammer (ps ... the Wagner terrorists who are supported by the Russian government). And after that, who is from the Middle Ages ...?
  • Usher
    Usher April 13 2021 01: 11
    -3
    To all the commentators on the account of "international treaties", take a look at yourself, a simple question: What are the ISIS terrorists doing in the Azerbaijani army? Is it legal to cut off the heads of civilians? Is it also allowed to shoot down a helicopter of another country? Cover your mittens. International lawyers were found here.
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    2. Bakinec
      Bakinec April 16 2021 07: 37
      -2
      Prove that ISIL terrorists serve in the Azerbaijani army, or admit that you are a big-eared balabol.
      And about the downed helicopter, you probably overslept, they admitted and apologized. The Russian government accepted the apology. But if you are unhappy, then you can go on a hunger strike, hold a meeting, or you can shoot yourself (it will be better, one less balabol)
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    1. Ramiz Babayev
      Ramiz Babayev April 13 2021 07: 01
      +1
      “I do not agree with a single word that you say, but I’m ready to die for your right to say it,” Voltaire said in my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, this is a priori. But at the same time, he must keep within the bounds of decency, especially when it comes to top officials of states. I rarely write posts here, because I am Azerbaijani and my opinion will be quite subjective. But, but for some reason no one remembered on this thread what the war brought to both peoples, how much grief and death. Who started it all and who devastated these lands, turning them into a lifeless space, strewn with mines. Everyone sees the effect, not the cause. Yes, we won, returned our lands and will rebuild them, despite the fact that our multi-scandalous neighbors have done, we say that we need to improve life. The story with the Iskander is rather confusing and vague, like the story with the downed helicopter, I think that all questions will be answered, because Russia and Azerbaijan are neighbors and will not move anywhere. I never get personal, but it would be nice for you to write posts with correct expressions regarding the top officials of states.
      1. Azimuth
        Azimuth April 13 2021 13: 41
        -1
        Talking about decency in the case of Aliyev and Erdogan is inappropriate. As I understand it, the first one is closer to you, so let's draw a parallel. Not delighted with Uncle Vova, but half of our population did not disperse to neighboring states in search of an elementary piece of bread. At the same time, if we divide all our revenues from hydrocarbon exports by 140 million. and if I'm not mistaken by 10 million, then your per capita income will be higher ...
        Per capita spending on the same defense is higher in our country.
        So why should Aliyev be respected, for greed and greed, for an even more bestial attitude towards his own population, etc.? ...
        Not a diplomat and not obliged to adhere to some protocol, Aliyev is a petty and greedy dictator, and, moreover, he is a coward. Whatever side you were on, your people respected, unlike your neighbors, you had queues at military registration and enlistment offices, and against this background, the cowardice of your president stands out even more.
        1. Ramiz Babayev
          Ramiz Babayev April 13 2021 14: 07
          +1
          You do not have a very correct idea of ​​how we live. Yes, there are difficulties and difficulties where they are not. About a million refugees per 8 million population in 1994, the collapse and chaos in the republic, the bitterness of defeat and the loss of 20 percent of the territory made themselves felt for a very long time. And our money for oil went after 2005. Corruption, unscrupulous officials, they are everywhere. I do not idealize our president, he is also a person and he has a huge responsibility. I just ask you to respect his position. Every nation is worthy of its government. We lived with one goal, to return the land and to win, and all the people were ready to do anything to do this. As you correctly noted, the military registration and enlistment offices were overcrowded with volunteers, everyone was eager to go to the front. And we won. People are judged by their best representatives, aren't they?
          1. Usher
            Usher April 17 2021 00: 59
            -1
            Quote: Ramiz Babayev
            You do not have a very correct idea of ​​how we live. Yes, there are difficulties and difficulties where they are not. About a million refugees per 8 million population in 1994, the collapse and chaos in the republic, the bitterness of defeat and the loss of 20 percent of the territory made themselves felt for a very long time. And our money for oil went after 2005. Corruption, unscrupulous officials, they are everywhere. I do not idealize our president, he is also a person and he has a huge responsibility. I just ask you to respect his position. Every nation is worthy of its government. We lived with one goal, to return the land and to win, and all the people were ready to do anything to do this. As you correctly noted, the military registration and enlistment offices were overcrowded with volunteers, everyone was eager to go to the front. And we won. People are judged by their best representatives, aren't they?

            How does one treat obscurantism with respect when the helmets of the dead soldiers are exhibited like at an exhibition?
            1. Bakinec
              Bakinec April 17 2021 16: 49
              -2
              enemy soldiers' helmets are on display at all military museums. Don't pretend to be a hose.
              1. Usher
                Usher April 17 2021 23: 19
                -1
                Quote: Bakinec
                enemy soldiers' helmets are on display at all military museums. Don't pretend to be a hose.

                To be honest, I have not seen a single German helmet in the military museum. And what I saw was not at all from the battlefield. Do not confuse warm and soft.
                1. Bakinec
                  Bakinec April 18 2021 02: 59
                  -1
                  Have not seen - this does not mean that they have not. Internet to help.
    2. Bakinec
      Bakinec April 13 2021 07: 02
      -1
      There is such a word - politics. There is such a phrase “foreign policy”. And a good leader of such small states as Azerbaijan can be considered a politician who, with his foreign policy moves, can achieve maximum benefits for a proper state.
      And Aliyev achieved this:
      1. Received permission from an ally of Armenia and began hostilities
      2. Freed about 75% of the territories that were under occupation for 30 years
      3. Forced Armenia to open the way to Nakhchevan
      4. Got the opportunity to return refugees to the entire territory (including to the territory under the control of the peacekeepers).
      Certainly, some subordinate experts are not familiar with such things as politics, foreign policy. It is easier for them, hunched over the keyboard and bulging eyes, to write "He is tLus, he is tLus" than to admit the obvious.
      1. Azimuth
        Azimuth April 13 2021 13: 57
        -2
        I would not be so sure about the resolution, otherwise your army would have reached the borders of Armenia along the entire front. Aliyev is really tLus, against the background of the self-sacrifice of your people, who gave up their sons, brothers, husbands, fathers, Aliyev was afraid for a part of his "dishonestly acquired". In our country, with all the shortcomings and reasons for criticism, half of the bureaucratic apparatus went under sanctions, but did not surrender their national interests, and Aliyev surrendered ... he betrayed all your victims in this war.
        If the Russians would give their sons, and Uncle Vova after that would give back because of a couple of his own or billions in an offshore environment, we would not forgive him. As your fellow countryman has already explained to me, you are not from Baku, but from the clan of the president, and therefore you struggle in your diferambs, fearing reprisals, to suffer falling under the common comb if he leaves.
        1. Bakinec
          Bakinec April 13 2021 15: 17
          0
          Listen, you read your comments? You write that the Iskander hit not only Shusha but also Baku, hinting that Russia did it, then you wonder why Azerbaijan did not continue the attack and did not reach the borders of Armenia. It's elementary to such an extent that even someone as slow-witted as you can understand it - we do not want a repetition of the scenario "Georgia 2008"
    3. Yujanin
      Yujanin April 13 2021 09: 51
      -3

      and the Iskander flew to Shusha and Baku. Due to the difference in targets in Shusha, they were beaten with a missile with a cluster warhead, and in Baku a monoblock high-explosive

      To hit a peaceful city with tactical missiles is a barbaric act. This is already the bottom! There is nowhere else ...
      1. Azimuth
        Azimuth April 13 2021 13: 31
        0
        I do not think that they would have hit a civilian target, there are enough military and other targets. Yes, and one launch and an atmospheric explosion was quite enough to return, or rather literally shake off, from heaven to earth and force you to abandon the rash actions of your president.
        Nobody needs a full-scale conflict involving us, Turkey and Iran.
      2. Usher
        Usher April 17 2021 01: 01
        -1
        Quote: Yujanin

        and the Iskander flew to Shusha and Baku. Due to the difference in targets in Shusha, they were beaten with a missile with a cluster warhead, and in Baku a monoblock high-explosive

        To hit a peaceful city with tactical missiles is a barbaric act. This is already the bottom! There is nowhere else ...

        Peaceful? How would this country attack a neighboring, even unrecognized territory. This does not change the fact of aggression. So why did the capital of the aggressor suddenly become a peaceful city?
        1. Bakinec
          Bakinec April 17 2021 21: 07
          -2
          Azerbaijan was fighting in its territory. What kind of aggression is there. The aggressor is Armenia, which held the Azerbaijani lands under occupation for about 30 years.
          1. Usher
            Usher April 17 2021 23: 20
            -2
            Quote: Bakinec
            Azerbaijan was fighting in its territory. What kind of aggression is there. The aggressor is Armenia, which held the Azerbaijani lands under occupation for about 30 years.

            What? Did you fall from the moon?
            1. Bakinec
              Bakinec April 18 2021 02: 55
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              Not. Rather, you fell out of Yerevan.
              1. Usher
                Usher April 18 2021 03: 23
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                Quote: Bakinec
                Not. Rather, you fell out of Yerevan.

                LOL I have never even been to the Caucasus.
                1. Bakinec
                  Bakinec April 18 2021 11: 25
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                  Do not be cunning. The parent is probably from Yerevan
  • Hammer
    Hammer April 13 2021 04: 17
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    Where did it come from? Yes, from the same place where the Syrian militants who fought on the side of the Azeris in Karabakh came from. The Turks brought it from the north of Syria. There, in the area of ​​the Idlib gadyushnik, such debris is rampant. The question is - why would Aliyev arrange this "circus with horses" around these wrecks? Or does he not know? The Turks are using it in the dark, trying to finally quarrel with Russia, throwing this scrap metal? ...
  • Humpty
    Humpty April 13 2021 05: 08
    +5
    Let Aliyev himself tell what kind of wreckage it is and who brought it to him.
    At work I see the Turks, one on one with the pro-Turkish terrorists from Syria, the face is the same, and their helmets are the same white of the same model (I know something about this), you probably need to take measures while they are chemical. they did not arrange the attack.
  • Roman1970_1
    Roman1970_1 April 13 2021 05: 25
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    Dmitry Peskov stated that the Kremlin does not have information on this matter.


    In the military store bought
  • sleeve
    sleeve April 13 2021 05: 57
    +1
    Are we limited in the supply of Iskander to the CSTO countries?
    1. Patigorsk2020
      Patigorsk2020 April 13 2021 07: 59
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      Quote: sleeve
      Are we limited in the supply of Iskander to the CSTO countries?

      No, not limited.
      In this case, Azerbaijan is not limited to stop only in Karabakh .......... can turn already in Armenia. This already means that Armenia has declared war on Azerbaijan. In this case, the CSTO smokes on the sidelines.

      How do you like this scenario?
      1. sleeve
        sleeve April 13 2021 12: 37
        +1
        No way. Fiction. For now...
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 13 2021 07: 31
    +1
    And we are waiting for an answer on the subject of the downed Russian Air Force helicopter over the territory of Armenia .... All the same, it was necessary to roll out a couple of positions then and then investigate.
    1. Yujanin
      Yujanin April 13 2021 09: 34
      -3

      And we are waiting for an answer on the subject of the downed Russian Air Force helicopter over the territory of Armenia .... All the same, it was necessary to roll out a couple of positions then and then investigate.

      Roll it out. You will soon have such an opportunity.
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  • Klingon
    Klingon April 13 2021 09: 42
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    Are you completely swollen? and will the tomatoes and oranges be sold to themselves? they haven't answered yet for the helicopter market.
    You can ask a counter question: how did the Bayraktars end up in Azerbaijan and much more-
    By the way, no one forbids anyone to buy "guns", the same Aliyev could buy the same Iskander-E. So the bazaar turns out rotten
  • Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. April 13 2021 10: 19
    +1
    Just like the drones of Turkey ended up in Azerbaijan, rejoice. what a helicopter they didn’t bang around Baku He demands, eat the tomatoes.
  • aleks700
    aleks700 April 13 2021 11: 07
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    Are you waiting? Well wait wait.
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  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 April 13 2021 13: 00
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    And you never thought that if everything were as you say, then for a long time someone more powerful than you (excuse me), for example, from the government and competent departments, would have voiced this, if I may say so, "version" ...
    Quote: Alex777
    Greetings to Alexander!
    My version is wreckage from Syria.
    For 4 months they found, brought, scattered.
    Konashenko said that not a single Iskander flew out.
    What, what, but absolutely stupidly substituted there was no point.
    But it's time to answer for the helicopter. And the Turks cannot be surrendered.
    So we observe a twine evasion with fantasies.
    Threat Azerbaijani colleagues joined in as if on command.
    Trying on the forum to somehow justify the unjustified. hi
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  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 April 13 2021 13: 09
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    Quote: Zaurbek
    And we are waiting for an answer on the subject of the downed Russian Air Force helicopter over the territory of Armenia .... All the same, it was necessary to roll out a couple of positions then and then investigate.

    Why didn't the Armenians roll out in 1992 in 1992, when they shot down a Russian military helicopter with 4 Russian generals and a Russian crew?
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 April 13 2021 13: 30
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    Quote: Lara Croft
    Quote: Alex777
    For the sake of such an "ally" as RA, I would not do this. hi

    You are probably right ... But this would be a trump card in case of further arrogance of the Turks and Azerbaijanis, I think the existing Iskander OTRK will be enough to destroy oil fields, refineries and hydraulic structures in Azerbaijan ...
    It was doubtful to accept a country with a territorial problem in the CSTO.

    Definitely. But all the CIS countries have territorial problems.
    I do not understand the Russian Federation - in Russia they have always felt sorry for the poor. Old Man is a pacifist himself and he will not come to a war that is alien to the Republic of Belarus. I do not understand where Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan were looking, they are also Turkic states. It seems that in the CSTO, besides the Russian Federation, he was not going to fight for the "orphans" ... what the RA initially understood ...

    So you think that it is normal to "destroy", as you have deigned to put it, civilian hydraulic structures? But this is the destruction of not only the hydraulic structures themselves, but a huge number of the peaceful Azerbaijani population, we are talking about tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of people (far beyond Karabakh) who will remain under a multi-meter water column in the event of a dam blowing up. Do you even understand what you are talking about?
  • m.voron
    m.voron April 13 2021 13: 32
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    Aliyev is strange, "how Armenia got missiles that it shouldn't have" everything is simple, they found them in the mines, got them and put them into service. Well, where else can you get them?
  • Alexander Terentyev
    Alexander Terentyev April 13 2021 13: 59
    +1
    Azerbaijan is taking the path of Ukraine ...
    Ukrainians were easily converted into admirers of Bandera, let's see if Aliyev's guys are so strong - will they become Ottoman Janissaries?
  • Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 April 13 2021 14: 08
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    Quote: Shadow041
    Probably even Chechen terrorists like Matsuraev cannot be hidden from justice in the Russian Federation on the territory of Azerbaijan, but Aliyev does it ... So, before throwing the evidence of the Russian Federation, let him report for his sins, and if he doesn’t want to, let him be silent in a rag!

    And lying is ugly, and so impudent.