US Press: Neither Russia nor Ukraine wants to strike first

Although Moscow and Kiev have drawn powerful military groups to the borders of the unrecognized republics of Donbass, neither Russia nor Ukraine wants to strike first. After all, the side that started the hostilities will automatically find itself at a disadvantage.

This is the opinion of Mark Episkopos, a columnist for the American magazine The National Interest.

The US press notes that the drawdown of troops is undoubtedly connected with the escalation in the Donbass. Clashes on the line of contact and shelling of the positions of the People's Militia, civilian infrastructure and residential areas of the republics by the Armed Forces of Ukraine have become noticeably more frequent. The events with a five-year-old boy received a great response - as a result of a strike by a Ukrainian drone. The leadership of the DPR and LPR, perhaps not unreasonably, fears that the conflict with Ukraine will enter a hot phase.

Against this background, Russian and Ukrainian officials and journalists exchange "pleasantries" and accuse the opposite side of aggressive plans and provocations. Moreover, both sides began to talk about a possible imminent direct military clash of the armed forces of the two states.

And although the new American president promises support to Kiev in upholding sovereignty and territorial integrity, Washington is unlikely to get directly involved in the conflict. This is well known, for example, by Mikhail Saakashvili, who began his unsuccessful adventure in South Ossetia in 2008, mistakenly counting on the help of the West.

Therefore, with a high degree of probability, nothing new can be expected either in the conflict in Donbass or in Russian-Ukrainian relations in the near future.

The reasoning of the American journalist looks interesting, but it just means "Ukraine does not want to strike first." She inflicted it a long time ago - when she began to bomb people in Donbass, and before that - when an anti-constitutional coup was carried out in Kiev, after which this country began to be turned into "anti-Russia".

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[Yaro Polk]

They want to watch the SHOW with a packet of pop * corn on the couch, live (like from Iraq), how the Slavs destroy each other, vile provocateurs.

[fruc]

neither Russia nor Ukraine wants to strike first. After all, the side that started the hostilities will automatically find itself at a disadvantage.

Therefore, with a high probability, everything can start with a deliberate provocation (there are enough "well-wishers"). And it will begin ..........

[210ox]

Neither side wants .... Yes, just one side (Russia) is patiently waiting for the Kiev idiots to risk knocking out a stool from under them. Although personally I am in favor of solving this problem at once, without equivocation. After all, we are "bad guys" anyway.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: 210ox

Neither side wants .... Yes, just one side (Russia) is patiently waiting for the Kiev idiots to risk knocking out a stool from under them.

Colleague, how do you imagine the idiots of the local and Nashin clever people, considering that the entire Russian-Ukrainian generals studied at the same universities, steamed in the same baths?

[Alex Nevs]

Do not. It doesn't roll. Now the main thing is to sip from the common boiler. Those who are near the boiler have "common views". And the bone from the cauldron goes to the banderlog, and they will bark for the owner.

[Civil]

1. This war is beneficial to everyone except Russians and Ukrainians. Even the elites are profitable to send the dissatisfied to the slaughter.

[Alex Justice]

I do not think America benefits from the war between Ukraine and Russia. In this case, America will lose Ukraine forever and NATO will not be able to get closer to Russia ..

[Medicolegist]

Quote: Alex Justice

I do not think America benefits from the war between Ukraine and Russia. In this case, America will lose Ukraine forever and NATO will not be able to get closer to Russia ..

they are already at the borders, in the Baltics, Turkey, Japan

[Jaromir]

Quote: Stroporez

all the Russian-Ukrainian generals studied at the same universities, steamed in the same baths?

Vlasov studied the same not somewhere abroad. However, this did not prevent him from becoming a traitor and fighting against those with whom he once served and studied.

[Cananecat]

Quote: Jaromir

Vlasov studied the same not somewhere abroad. However, this did not prevent him from becoming a traitor and fighting against those with whom he once served and studied.

The fact that Vlasov is a traitor is beyond doubt. The very fact of his participation and the development of military operations of the Wehrmacht is interesting. Do you have data?

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Interestingly, this American journalist ... (analogue of the word utter fool)? Or does he habitually lie, confuse traces? Probably, nevertheless, just hangs noodles on the ears of suckers!

[Jaromir]

Quote: Canecat

Got data?

I do not have.
They are fighting not only at the front. The same Kukryniksy fought successfully, fought, with the Goebbels ministry.
Vishlev O.V. On the eve of June 22, 1941. Documentary sketches
Both officers (Vlasov and Boyarsky, who commanded the so-called Russian National People's Army in the rank of Major General of the German Army) disagreed with the remark that these resources are practically exhausted today, and expressed the opinion that in Germany they did not have a correct idea of ​​military -economic potential of the Urals and Siberia. They are convinced that the loss of Baku oil will be compensated for by oil production in the area between the Volga and the Urals in a volume sufficient to conduct a defensive war. [197]

General Vlasov and Colonel Boyarsky set out the above considerations in a memorandum, which, in translation into German, was put at my disposal by Mr. Colonel of Mr. [General] Sh [Taba] von Ronne

The Germans did not involve Vlasov in the development of military operations. From the above paragraph, Vlasov himself offered his services. But the Germans decided to attract Vlasov for propaganda purposes.
From a letter from the representative of the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs under the High Command of the Ground Forces H. von Etzdorf to Ambassador-at-Large E.O. von Rintelen from the publication by O.V. Vishlev. On the eve of June 22, 1941. Documentary sketches
cc) Impact on parts formed from natives of Russia.

For the units formed from the natives of Russia, Vlasov's appeal made a particularly strong impression. The Russians fighting on our side see it as the first attempt by the German side to tell them not only against whom, but also for what they should fight.

[210ox]

I mean politicians. Thirty years have passed since the days of the USSR. Of course, the generals there graduated from Soviet schools. But I will note that the school certainly gives certain knowledge, but the qualities of a commander, a leader are formed in further service. This also applies to civilian universities. The specialist appears much later than graduation from the institute.

[fruc]

The current high-ranking military chiefs were selected for readiness to fight with the Russian Federation and retraining in the educational institutions of the Pentagon, so their brains are working in a certain direction.

[El Chuvachino]

It all depends on the practice. While we were making efforts to preserve the army and modernize it, they rotted it for decades. A living example: just like the brain of Stroporez - he does not deal with it and does not use it, so he swam, writes nonsense about the general baths of the generals.

[Maxim Shalak]

Yes. Only those generals are already retired.

Quote: Stroporez

Quote: 210ox

Neither side wants .... Yes, just one side (Russia) is patiently waiting for the Kiev idiots to risk knocking out a stool from under them.

Colleague, how do you imagine the idiots of the local and Nashin clever people, considering that the entire Russian-Ukrainian generals studied at the same universities, steamed in the same baths?

[anjey]

Yes, by the way, with the filing and participation of the United States, they are professionals in organizing such provocations.

[anjey]

By and large, the perpetrators of this conflict were indirectly, although now it comes to direct participation - the United States and Europe.

[fruc]

Both the USA and Poland, England (who always shits), and Turkey- All this is a certain contingent for conducting such provocative operations.

[Clear]

US Press: Neither Russia nor Ukraine wants to strike first

Yes, you didn’t think about it with the Indians and Japanese ...

[knn54]

This year, more than 100 Ukrainian soldiers have already died. Almost all of them come from Poltava, Kharkiv, Sumy, Dnepropetrovsk regions.
"Horses" from Galicia are waiting for victory in the rear or at checkpoints.

[Rubi0]

So this is also their goal for the loyal southeast, first to sever economic ties and leave people without work, and then grind and tie on blood.

[anjey]

Ze's election is also from the same opera, allegedly the people chose a simple actor, the top of democracy in Ukraine, and the youth electorate en masse to attract and inspire and convince that they are being played with honestly, in fact, everything was created and controlled from the outside, by the special services of the United States and Europe. They brought up and trained new Natsiks, they simply would not have appeared out of nowhere, and with blood they want to split one nation even deeper. It seems to me that only a blind man does not see and does not understand this situation.

[Reserve buildbat]

So what? In the mattress, I remember, people also "chose" an actress from third-rate serials (Reagan) and nothing, worked out his own. We then had a marked Judas.

[anjey]

So the question is, who is the real power and who is someone's screen and zilch.

[Rubi0]

You forgot one little nuance, at the time of his election Reagan already had many years of experience in politics, something more than 20 years, and Ze is really an actor from the stage straight to the throne.

[svp67]

He is right only about one thing, that whoever "blinks first, then he will lose there then."

[LiSiCyn]

Sergey, welcome!
I was waiting for an article on VO, but so ...
I'll have to remember myself.
Today is a significant day, besides the fact that we celebrate 60 years of the First flight into space, today is also 70 years of the defeat of the US Air Force in the skies of Korea. "Black Thursday" in their history, has not been canceled.
Glory to the Soviet pilots, who showed "Kuzkin's mother" with mattresses and dispelled the myth about the vitality of "super fortresses".
Eternal memory to the dead!

[LiSiCyn]

On this day, April 12, 1951, Soviet pilots on MiG-15 fighters attacked the superior forces of American bombers and fighters, which out of habit went to bomb North Korea.
44 Soviet fighters attacked 48 strategic bombers and 76 US fighters.
As a result of this warm meeting (12 strategic bombers and 5 fighters shot down, more than 100 American pilots were captured), the daytime raids of large groups of American strategic bombers on North Korea began to fade away (attempts to repeat it led to large losses), and the era of "Super Fortresses "; actually came to an end.
This is an addition to the above.

[Alex Justice]

Why are the losses of Soviet pilots kept silent?
Nothing to brag about?

[svp67]

Quote: LiSiCyn

Besides,

Not every year there are "round dates" of events that are truly HISTORICAL and after which the world can no longer remain old.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: svp67

Not every year there are "round dates" of events that are truly HISTORICAL and after which the world can no longer remain old.

Let me disagree. The VO site is primarily a military-historical one!
Or is it political ..?
Nevertheless, an article could be prepared for such a day. I would gladly take part in the discussion.

[PalBor]

The article was really long ago. Https://topwar.ru/14419-chernyy-vtornik-dlya-vvs-ssha-voyna-v-koree-1951-god.html
For some reason, it is still not known exactly on Tuesday 28th or Thursday 30th. But the article is good.

[LiSiCyn]

Quote: PalBor

The article was, however, a long time ago.

Paul,
I do not require you to write a detailed article, although the article you are referring to is from the 12th year. So, it would be possible to "refresh" ...
Not long ago there was an article about Damansky. We remembered all the dead border guards, exactly. What prevents you from remembering exactly all the pilots who participated in that battle?

[PalBor]

I agree. Omission. Such events must be constantly reminded.

[yuliatreb]

I greet Stas, a truly memorable date, but on this day of the Soviet pilots whom Colonel Kozhedub led into battle, no one died (there were wounded), everyone returned to the airfield, which was the main target of the attackers, and those killed by the attackers were not there only American pilots had more than a dozen and more than 100 prisoners of the American Air Force, so there is no one to remember us on this particular day.

[LiSiCyn]

Hello Vasilisa!

Quote: yuliatreb

but on this day of the Soviet pilots whom Colonel Kozhedub led into battle, no one died

Remembering our pilots, I was not attached to this particular date. Not all of those who returned to the airfield that day returned to their homeland alive.
Yes, and those who survived then, now only a few remained.

[sergo1914]

Ukraine will not hit Russia. Not so stubborn. They can hit the republics. Then an answer will arrive. Russia will not hit Ukraine. For in FIG? Either the Ukrainians will freeze and break away, or they will provoke the republics (again, the question is - what a fig?). Pat.

[Tagan]

Ukraine may and would like to, but it is scary.

[BARKAS]

This is what the US press would like, they are not afraid.

[Ewiak ryzzard]

Ukraine is repeating the scenario of Georgia in 2008 and I am not surprised by this. In the book of Daniel we read: “At the appointed time [the king of the north] will return back [Russia will again have military bases abroad. It also means a great crisis, the collapse of the EU and NATO. Many countries of the former Eastern Bloc will return to a military alliance with Russia]. And it will enter the south [the detonator will be the ethnic conflict south of the Russian borders (Matthew 24: 7). Then Georgia may be a hot spot again], but it will not be as before [Georgia - 2008] and as later [Ukraine. Here, too, there will now be no military response from the West. However, the next time, after the return of Russia, there will be a military confrontation with the United States], because the inhabitants of the Kittim shores [Americans] will arrive against him, and [he] will break [lose heart] and return ”(11:29, 30a). The Book of Revelation warns that when the US attacks Russia, the "great sword" will be used (6: 4).

[Vladimir61]

Russia is not an aggressor, it has not started such wars, but it knows how to end them. And the Outskirts, after Russia took preventive measures, put it in their pants, which dramatically changed its militant rhetoric.
All the demonstrative statements and preparations for the war of the Outskirts, on the borders of the DLNR and Crimea, left Russia no choice. The 101 "Chinese" warning is no longer appropriate.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Vladimir61

Russia is not an aggressor, it has not started such wars, but it knows how to end them. And the Outskirts, after Russia took preventive measures, put it in their pants, which dramatically changed its militant rhetoric.
All the demonstrative statements and preparations for the war of the Outskirts, on the borders of the DLNR and Crimea, left Russia no choice. The 101 "Chinese" warning is no longer appropriate.

Long ago, Russia answered the questions of war and peace with the words of a song Evgeny Evtushenko
Do Russians want war? ..
Do Russian wars want to happen?
Ask you for silence
over the expanse of arable land and fields
and birches and poplars.
You will ask those soldiers,
that under the birches lie
and let their sons tell you
Do the Russians want war.

Not only for your country
the soldiers died in that war
and so that people of the whole earth
could easily dream.
Under the rustle of leaves and posters
You sleep, New York, you sleep, Paris.
May your dreams answer you
Do the Russians want war.

Yes, we know how to fight,
but do not want to again
soldiers fell in battle
to his sad land.
You will ask your mother,
ask my wife
and then you must understand
Do the Russians want war.
November 1961, XNUMX

[not main]

Quote: 30 vis

Quote: Vladimir61

Russia is not an aggressor, it has not started such wars, but it knows how to end them. And the Outskirts, after Russia took preventive measures, put it in their pants, which dramatically changed its militant rhetoric.
All the demonstrative statements and preparations for the war of the Outskirts, on the borders of the DLNR and Crimea, left Russia no choice. The 101 "Chinese" warning is no longer appropriate.

Long ago, Russia answered the questions of war and peace with the words of a song Evgeny Evtushenko
Do Russians want war? ..
Do Russian wars want to happen?
Ask you for silence
over the expanse of arable land and fields
and birches and poplars.
You will ask those soldiers,
that under the birches lie
and let their sons tell you
Do the Russians want war.

Not only for your country
the soldiers died in that war
and so that people of the whole earth
could easily dream.
Under the rustle of leaves and posters
You sleep, New York, you sleep, Paris.
May your dreams answer you
Do the Russians want war.


You will ask your mother,
ask my wife
and then you must understand
Do the Russians want war.
November 1961, XNUMX

And the cons, for what? Or do you disagree with the text? I wonder what didn't please you? Maybe it is: Yes, we know how to fight,
but do not want to again
soldiers fell in battle
to his sad land.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: non-primary

Yes, we know how to fight,

It is for this and the disadvantages ... I have many "friends" here ... However, like our country ..

[Wolf]

Here it is most dangerous and that the author is silent that it is they (USA, EVIL BRITIE) who are ABLE AND MAKE SUCH PROVOCATIONS TO START A CIVIL WAR AND THERE IS NO ONLY CIVIL WAR, IT IS THEIR KITCHEN SPECIALTY. Starting at 11. Septebra, after through the UN AND MONKEYS AND CRIMINALTS KOLIN PAUELA WITH WASHING POWDER.

[Clear]

Quote: Wolf

Here it is most dangerous and that the author is silent that it is they (USA, EVIL BRITIE) who are ABLE AND MAKE SUCH PROVOCATIONS TO START A CIVIL WAR AND THERE IS NO ONLY CIVIL WAR, IT IS THEIR KITCHEN SPECIALTY. Starting at 11. Septebra, after through the UN AND MONKEYS AND CRIMINALTS KOLIN PAUELA WITH WASHING POWDER.

That's right, Wolf. So them, monkeys with washing powder!

[MakStVik]

And why should Russia have the motivation to strike first? Russia can only answer. Russia does not need too much, only its own.

[Bshkaus]

Russia can only answer. Russia does not need too much, only its own.

It remains to decide that your

[Dude]

And it is weak to give Crimea ...

And from which ones? Crimea is the most, that neither is, its own.
Personally, my "definition of a concept" is my own, in general, as the song says - "from Vladivostok to Brest". And from Novaya Zemlya to Kushka.

[Bshkaus]

Yes, they already got bored with a five-year-old boy! We figured out for a long time that drones do not fly at such a distance, and the boy was blown up on his grandfather's stash. Even the "respect" media have admitted this and have quieted down. And regarding the beginning of the DB, it is so obvious: the one who starts first will commit suicide. And I spit on the cons. The main thing is that people do not die, otherwise you can even negotiate with thugs

[Dude]

The main thing is that people do not die, otherwise you can even negotiate with thugs

Jews in the 1930s thought so too. And they even tried to negotiate. How it ended is known.
So, dismiss us from such contracts.

[Avior]

It has long been found out that no one has seen any drone, but it seems to have not reached VO
https://www.osce.org/files/2021-04-05-06%20Daily%20Report_UKR.pdf?itok=45406

[Bshkaus]

but it seems to have not reached VO

Well, it has not yet reached the VO that yesterday was the 60th anniversary of Gagarin's flight. The only article about interesting facts about flight bases is a hint of a holiday. But Ukraine was mentioned 5 times, no less. It is not surprising: to fight against fascism and save the whole world is in our blood, and the Second World War came to every home. A bill will soon be submitted to the State Duma on the right to transfer and wear orders by inheritance. And with space, everything is more complicated: it seems like ours, but on the other hand, there are much fewer people personally involved, you can't “repeat it”, especially when the damned capitalist drones roam across Mars. It would seem that a small helicopter was sent as a fly, but it will fly at an altitude of 35 km! (remember the pressure on Mars) when we barely ate 10 km of the Mi-38. It is clear that there are different cars, but this is not expected in our country. And to crucify boys in shorts a hundred times is always welcome, despite the fact that it always turns out to be a fake.

[Roman070280]

The reasoning of the American journalist looks interesting, but just what it means "Ukraine does not want to strike first." She inflicted it a long time ago - when she began to bomb people in Donbass

This means that the conversation is about the current situation, and not about the times of Khmelnytsky or 2014 ..

[Jaromir]

The times of Khmelnitsky, no one takes into account. 2014 here it was, only 7 years ago and its echoes still sound. Today's realities are such that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are still killing children and shelling settlements in the Donbass.

[Roman070280]

2014 here it was, just 7 years ago and its echoes still sound. Today's realities are

No .. The realities are such that after 14 years, armistice were repeatedly concluded .. And therefore, the phrase "does not want to strike first" implies the resumption of hostilities now, and not what it was 7 years ago, and that in the calculation for a long time is no longer taken ..

[MakStVik]

So the Americans want it that way. They physically destroyed the entire indigenous population, squeezed everything out of the blacks, and now, like, it was a long time ago and not true, you will forget this in the world - we are now the beacon of democracy! Never forget anything! Only God forgives. So the Ukrainians have learned from the ovs.

[JonnyT]

Ukrainians are waiting for American ships in the Black Sea.
Ukrainians do not want to, bzdyat, but Uncle Sam will find a way and make dill go on the offensive.
The artillery shelling has quieted down, but the drgs are actively working, the land has not yet dried out.
Yes, and w * d0vnya wants to get a holiday - it must be the same, the Orthodox Christians will pour blood from each other on Easter, and there are also May holidays.

[Alex Nevs]

And who will provoke the provocation now?

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Moscow and Kiev pulled powerful military groups to the borders of the unrecognized republics of Donbass

It was Russia that pulled together a powerful grouping, and 404 is what is left.

[lopvlad]

.. in Russia ................ do not want to strike first

if Russia had set itself the goal of destroying the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Bandera's Ukraine, then there would be no Minsk agreements, and all of Ukraine, in the worst case along the Dnieper, would have been in another state for almost seven years. a relative who is a murderer and psychopath, we pat him on the head and hope that he will come to his senses.
So the bloody clown Zelensky either make up his mind or reduce the concentration of Bandera troops on the border of the LPR.

[Oleg133]

Leninists-internazists began to turn Ukraine into anti-Russia 100 years ago

[Gennady Fomkin]

The whole essence of Ukrainians in the issue under consideration: Khomchak denied reports from Russia about Ukraine's preparations for an offensive in Donbass
09.04.2021, 16: 20
Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Ruslan Khomchak said that reports of Ukraine's alleged preparations for an offensive in Donbas are disinformation for Russia.

[Gennady Fomkin]

In Russia, most likely all the options have been calculated, for each there is an answer. So we have nothing to worry about, Germany must worry about SP-2, in the event of hostilities, most likely, gas will not be pumped through Ukraine, the gas storage facilities are empty.

[Normal ok]

Despite the really propagandistic essence of the current aggravation, there is always a variant: "kurtosis of the performer".

[Black lotos]

Quote: Normal ok

kurtosis of the performer

informationally, all participants (parties to the conflict) are "condemned" both in quantitative and qualitative terms. But each other.
but they continue the whole business ... although the "forester" holds them back a little.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Where are you looking?

Accumulated foreign direct investment in the Ukrainian economy as of December 31, 2020 amounted to $ 48,935 billion. Of these, equity participation instruments - $ 36,848 billion, debt instruments - $ 12,087 billion,
The total external debt of Ukraine is $ 40,45 billion. The debt on issued securities in the foreign market is $ 23,62 billion.

The largest state debt on loans received from international financial organizations is $ 12,18 billion.The debt to the IBRD is $ 4,86 billion, the European Community - $ 3,63 billion, the IMF - $ 2,41 billion.

.....

The external state-guaranteed debt of Ukraine is $ 9,36 billion. This amount includes many components.

Debt on loans received from international financial institutions is $ 7,88 billion.Ukraine owes $ 110 million to the European Atomic Energy Community, EBRD $ 350 million, EIB $ 60 million, IBRD $ 460 million, IMF - 6,91 billion dollars

[Bradley]

I would be very surprised if the Ukrainians wanted to strike the first blow. Pug on an elephant.

[fruc]

Already passed in 2014, they hit the city of Donetsk (Rost. Region), so what?

[Black lotos]

Quote: frruc

Already passed in 2014, they hit the city of Donetsk (Rost. Region), so what?

cross-border shelling was both from the Russian Federation and from the Ukrainian side.
Rostov region and Gukovo as opposite examples.

[Dimide]

How many times have I said: - there will be no offensive under Zelensky's rule. Everything else is nothing more than political rhetoric

[fruc]

Colleague, Zelensky can simply be confronted with a fact, he won't even know anything. In the morning he will wake up from the howling of a siren, quickly pull on his pants and run along with everyone in the bomb shelter. And the decisions will be made by the headquarters under the leadership of the military from NATO.

[Kuzmitsky]

That's the point: it doesn't matter. what Zelensky wants to do and what not. The same Biletsky or some other ghoul decides to hit Donetsk, from there a response will fly ... And that's it, it started. Zelenskiy simply does not control all Ukrainian militias. Most likely, no one controls them.

[iouris]

It doesn't mean anything. And how long will the army stand on the stretcher? This movie needs to be finished urgently.

[Ruslan Sulima]

Interestingly, bets are not placed on the sweepstakes yet?)
And what, to bet on one, to provoke, to take the jackpot.
But I would not recommend betting on the outcome of the victory of Ukraine)

[opuonmed]

and can immediately strike at the United States, they did it all, what happens there with their filing and the coup proizashol!

[Sofa warrior]

Quote: Clear

US Press: Neither Russia nor Ukraine wants to strike first

Yes, you didn’t think about it with the Indians and Japanese ...

Read about the comfort houses, the Nanjing massacre and so on, it will be immediately clear why a nuclear bomb was dropped on them. It was also the Germans who were lucky that they had surrendered earlier, otherwise the Americans would have avenged them for ours. They did not mind torturing and killing unarmed Chinese tens of thousands, but now they feel sorry for them?

[Black lotos]

Quote: Sofa Warrior

Read about the comfort houses, the Nanjing massacre and so on, it will be immediately clear why a nuclear bomb was dropped on them.

after Pearl Harbor for the Japanese, the Americans had nothing to regret. China is far away and the Day of Shame is near. and this is only blood.

[Basarev]

But you still have to strike. I am quite surprised by the cowardly mantra - if only there was no war. People have completely forgotten Churchill's superposition (about war and shame). I think on the contrary: one should not be afraid of war, not be afraid to strike first, not stop at anything and go to the end. This is how Israel, I have always considered it an example for Russia, and I said: Israel is an ideal Russia. I would be glad to see that Russia cares about Russians as much as Israel cares about Jews. I admire this people, if only because after all the terrible losses, expelled from everywhere, the Jews were still able to deploy extinction and again went to expanded reproduction, their future does not cause fears. And the Russians, even during our lifetime, risk disappearing completely.

[Chaldon1974]

Remembering past events. The weeks that have passed since the escalation of the conflict in the past have shown a much larger number of broken houses and killed civilians. Thank God this is not happening now. That inf. what the experts possess is clearly not enough for the specific charges of one side or the other. At the moment, there is a feeling that elections are coming soon, so the party in power urgently needs an external or internal enemy. Edrosy lost trust by the most I do not want. And here you can click the locks, justify your worthless existence, they are the saviors of all Russia. I really hope that I'm not mistaken, the war is really not needed by anyone, but besides the snickering bureaucrats.

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

[quote = Bshkaus] And I didn't give a damn about the cons. The main thing is that people do not die ...
But after all, we are building in one, my friend, I also spit, and more than once, for a minus ...

[Graduate student]

Neither Russia nor Ukraine wants to strike first

Initially, Russia was not going to be at war with Ukraine. Russia will strike, but if the Armed Forces of Ukraine are the first to strike at Donbass, then the answer will be, but not otherwise.