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US Press: Neither Russia nor Ukraine wants to strike first

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Although Moscow and Kiev have drawn powerful military groups to the borders of the unrecognized republics of Donbass, neither Russia nor Ukraine wants to strike first. After all, the side that started the hostilities will automatically find itself at a disadvantage.


This is the opinion of Mark Episkopos, a columnist for the American magazine The National Interest.

The US press notes that the pulling-in of troops is undoubtedly connected with the aggravation in the Donbass. Clashes on the line of contact and shelling by the Ukrainian Armed Forces of the positions of the People's Militia, civil infrastructure and residential areas of the republics have become noticeably more frequent. The events with the five-year-old boy, as a result of the strike of the Ukrainian drone, received a great resonance. The leadership of the DPR and LPR, perhaps, reasonably fears the transition of the conflict with Ukraine to a hot phase.



Against this background, Russian and Ukrainian officials and journalists exchange "pleasantries" and accuse the opposite side of aggressive plans and provocations. Moreover, both sides began to talk about a possible imminent direct military clash of the armed forces of the two states.

And although the new American president promises support to Kiev in upholding sovereignty and territorial integrity, Washington is unlikely to get directly involved in the conflict. This is well known, for example, by Mikhail Saakashvili, who began his unsuccessful adventure in South Ossetia in 2008, mistakenly counting on the help of the West.

Therefore, with a high degree of probability, nothing new can be expected either in the conflict in Donbass or in Russian-Ukrainian relations in the near future.

The reasoning of the American journalist looks interesting, but it just means "Ukraine does not want to strike first." She inflicted it a long time ago - when she began to bomb people in Donbass, and before that - when an anti-constitutional coup was carried out in Kiev, after which this country began to be turned into "anti-Russia".
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  1. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk April 12 2021 13: 30
    +31
    They want to watch the SHOW with a packet of pop * corn on the couch, live (like from Iraq), how the Slavs destroy each other, vile provocateurs.
    1. frruc
      frruc April 12 2021 13: 37
      +19
      neither Russia nor Ukraine wants to strike first. After all, the side that started the hostilities will automatically find itself at a disadvantage.

      Therefore, with a high probability, everything can start with a deliberate provocation (there are enough "well-wishers"). And it will begin am..........
      1. 210ox
        210ox April 12 2021 13: 53
        +11
        Neither side wants .... Yes, just one side (Russia) is patiently waiting for the Kiev idiots to risk knocking out a stool from under them. Although personally I am in favor of solving this problem at once, without equivocation. After all, we are "bad guys" anyway.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter April 12 2021 14: 21
          -20%
          Quote: 210ox
          Neither side wants .... Yes, just one side (Russia) is patiently waiting for the Kiev idiots to risk knocking out a stool from under them.

          Colleague, how do you imagine the idiots of the local and Nashin clever people, considering that the entire Russian-Ukrainian generals studied at the same universities, steamed in the same baths?
          1. Alex Nevs
            Alex Nevs April 12 2021 14: 32
            +2
            Do not. It doesn't roll. Now the main thing is to sip from the common boiler. Those who are near the boiler have "common views". And the bone from the cauldron goes to the banderlog, and they will bark for the owner.
            1. Civil
              Civil April 12 2021 15: 43
              0
              1. This war is beneficial to everyone except Russians and Ukrainians. Even the elites are profitable to send the dissatisfied to the slaughter.
              1. Alex Justice
                Alex Justice April 13 2021 11: 10
                0
                I do not think America benefits from the war between Ukraine and Russia. In this case, America will lose Ukraine forever and NATO will not be able to get closer to Russia ..
                1. Medicolegist
                  Medicolegist April 13 2021 12: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Alex Justice
                  I do not think America benefits from the war between Ukraine and Russia. In this case, America will lose Ukraine forever and NATO will not be able to get closer to Russia ..


                  they are already at the borders, in the Baltics, Turkey, Japan
          2. Jaromir
            Jaromir April 12 2021 14: 40
            +17
            Quote: Stroporez
            all the Russian-Ukrainian generals studied at the same universities, steamed in the same baths?

            Vlasov studied the same not somewhere abroad. However, this did not prevent him from becoming a traitor and fighting against those with whom he once served and studied.
            1. Cananecat
              Cananecat April 12 2021 18: 16
              0
              Quote: Jaromir
              Vlasov studied the same not somewhere abroad. However, this did not prevent him from becoming a traitor and fighting against those with whom he once served and studied.

              The fact that Vlasov is a traitor is beyond doubt. The very fact of his participation and the development of military operations of the Wehrmacht is interesting. Do you have data?
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov April 12 2021 20: 28
                0
                Interestingly, this American journalist ... (analogue of the word utter fool)? Or does he habitually lie, confuse traces? Probably, nevertheless, just hangs noodles on the ears of suckers! laughing
              2. Jaromir
                Jaromir April 13 2021 14: 37
                +2
                Quote: Canecat
                Got data?

                I do not have.
                They are fighting not only at the front. The same Kukryniksy fought successfully, fought, with the Goebbels ministry.
                Vishlev O.V. On the eve of June 22, 1941. Documentary sketches
                Both officers (Vlasov and Boyarsky, who commanded the so-called Russian National People's Army in the rank of Major General of the German Army) disagreed with the remark that these resources are practically exhausted today, and expressed the opinion that in Germany they did not have a correct idea of ​​military -economic potential of the Urals and Siberia. They are convinced that the loss of Baku oil will be compensated for by oil production in the area between the Volga and the Urals in a volume sufficient to conduct a defensive war. [197]

                General Vlasov and Colonel Boyarsky set out the above considerations in a memorandum, which, in translation into German, was put at my disposal by Mr. Colonel of Mr. [General] Sh [Taba] von Ronne


                The Germans did not involve Vlasov in the development of military operations. From the above paragraph, Vlasov himself offered his services. But the Germans decided to attract Vlasov for propaganda purposes.
                From a letter from the representative of the German Ministry of Foreign Affairs under the High Command of the Ground Forces H. von Etzdorf to Ambassador-at-Large E.O. von Rintelen from the publication by O.V. Vishlev. On the eve of June 22, 1941. Documentary sketches
                cc) Impact on parts formed from natives of Russia.

                For the units formed from the natives of Russia, Vlasov's appeal made a particularly strong impression. The Russians fighting on our side see it as the first attempt by the German side to tell them not only against whom, but also for what they should fight.
          3. 210ox
            210ox April 12 2021 14: 52
            +7
            I mean politicians. Thirty years have passed since the days of the USSR. Of course, the generals there graduated from Soviet schools. But I will note that the school certainly gives certain knowledge, but the qualities of a commander, a leader are formed in further service. This also applies to civilian universities. The specialist appears much later than graduation from the institute.
            1. frruc
              frruc April 12 2021 18: 02
              +1
              The current high-ranking military chiefs were selected for readiness to fight with the Russian Federation and retraining in the educational institutions of the Pentagon, so their brains are working in a certain direction.
          4. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino April 12 2021 15: 34
            +8
            It all depends on the practice. While we were making efforts to preserve the army and modernize it, they rotted it for decades. A living example: just like the brain of Stroporez - he does not deal with it and does not use it, so he swam, writes nonsense about the general baths of the generals.
          5. Maxim Shalak
            Maxim Shalak April 12 2021 22: 37
            0
            Yes. Only those generals are already retired.
            Quote: Stroporez
            Quote: 210ox
            Neither side wants .... Yes, just one side (Russia) is patiently waiting for the Kiev idiots to risk knocking out a stool from under them.

            Colleague, how do you imagine the idiots of the local and Nashin clever people, considering that the entire Russian-Ukrainian generals studied at the same universities, steamed in the same baths?
      2. anjey
        anjey April 12 2021 14: 22
        +5
        Yes, by the way, with the filing and participation of the United States, they are professionals in organizing such provocations.
        1. anjey
          anjey April 12 2021 14: 58
          +1
          By and large, the perpetrators of this conflict were indirectly, although now it comes to direct participation - the United States and Europe.
        2. frruc
          frruc April 12 2021 18: 08
          +2
          Both the USA and Poland, England (who always shits), and Turkey- All this is a certain contingent for conducting such provocative operations.
    2. Clear
      Clear April 12 2021 14: 10
      +4
      US Press: Neither Russia nor Ukraine wants to strike first

      Yes, you didn’t think about it with the Indians and Japanese ...
    3. knn54
      knn54 April 12 2021 14: 40
      +8
      This year, more than 100 Ukrainian soldiers have already died. Almost all of them come from Poltava, Kharkiv, Sumy, Dnepropetrovsk regions.
      "Horses" from Galicia are waiting for victory in the rear or at checkpoints.
      1. Rubi0
        Rubi0 April 12 2021 15: 31
        +2
        So this is also their goal for the loyal southeast, first to sever economic ties and leave people without work, and then grind and tie on blood.
        1. anjey
          anjey April 12 2021 16: 08
          +3
          Ze's election is also from the same opera, allegedly the people chose a simple actor, the top of democracy in Ukraine, and the youth electorate en masse to attract and inspire and convince that they are being played with honestly, in fact, everything was created and controlled from the outside, by the special services of the United States and Europe. They brought up and trained new Natsiks, they simply would not have appeared out of nowhere, and with blood they want to split one nation even deeper. It seems to me that only a blind man does not see and does not understand this situation.
          1. Reserve buildbat
            Reserve buildbat April 12 2021 20: 56
            0
            So what? In the mattress, I remember, people also "chose" an actress from third-rate serials (Reagan) and nothing, worked out his own. We then had a marked Judas.
            1. anjey
              anjey April 13 2021 05: 01
              0
              So the question is, who is the real power and who is someone's screen and zilch.
            2. Rubi0
              Rubi0 April 13 2021 19: 59
              0
              You forgot one little nuance, at the time of his election Reagan already had many years of experience in politics, something more than 20 years, and Ze is really an actor from the stage straight to the throne.
  2. svp67
    svp67 April 12 2021 13: 32
    +2
    He is right only about one thing, that whoever "blinks first, then he will lose there then."
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn April 12 2021 13: 53
      +31
      Sergey, welcome! hi
      I was waiting for an article on VO, but so ...
      I'll have to remember myself.
      Today is a significant day, besides the fact that we celebrate 60 years of the First flight into space, today is also 70 years of the defeat of the US Air Force in the skies of Korea. "Black Thursday" in their history, has not been canceled. wink
      Glory to the Soviet pilots, who showed "Kuzkin's mother" with mattresses and dispelled the myth about the vitality of "super fortresses".
      Eternal memory to the dead!
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn April 12 2021 14: 03
        +25
        On this day, April 12, 1951, Soviet pilots on MiG-15 fighters attacked the superior forces of American bombers and fighters, which out of habit went to bomb North Korea.
        44 Soviet fighters attacked 48 strategic bombers and 76 US fighters.
        As a result of this warm meeting (12 strategic bombers and 5 fighters shot down, more than 100 American pilots were captured), the daytime raids of large groups of American strategic bombers on North Korea began to fade away (attempts to repeat it led to large losses), and the era of "Super Fortresses "; actually came to an end.
        This is an addition to the above.
        1. Alex Justice
          Alex Justice April 13 2021 11: 14
          0
          Why are the losses of Soviet pilots kept silent?
          Nothing to brag about?
      2. svp67
        svp67 April 12 2021 14: 08
        +5
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        Besides,

        Not every year there are "round dates" of events that are truly HISTORICAL and after which the world can no longer remain old.
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn April 12 2021 14: 18
          +5
          Quote: svp67
          Not every year there are "round dates" of events that are truly HISTORICAL and after which the world can no longer remain old.

          Let me disagree. The VO site is primarily a military-historical one! soldier
          Or is it political ..? what
          Nevertheless, an article could be prepared for such a day. I would gladly take part in the discussion.
          1. PalBor
            PalBor April 12 2021 15: 45
            +1
            The article was really long ago. Https://topwar.ru/14419-chernyy-vtornik-dlya-vvs-ssha-voyna-v-koree-1951-god.html
            For some reason, it is still not known exactly on Tuesday 28th or Thursday 30th. But the article is good.
            1. LiSiCyn
              LiSiCyn April 12 2021 16: 15
              +3
              Quote: PalBor
              The article was, however, a long time ago.

              Paul, hi
              I do not require you to write a detailed article, although the article you are referring to is from the 12th year. So, it would be possible to "refresh" ...
              Not long ago there was an article about Damansky. We remembered all the dead border guards, exactly. What prevents you from remembering exactly all the pilots who participated in that battle?
              1. PalBor
                PalBor April 12 2021 16: 26
                +4
                I agree. Omission. Such events must be constantly reminded.
      3. yuliatreb
        yuliatreb April 12 2021 14: 45
        +4
        I greet Stas, a truly memorable date, but on this day of the Soviet pilots whom Colonel Kozhedub led into battle, no one died (there were wounded), everyone returned to the airfield, which was the main target of the attackers, and those killed by the attackers were not there only American pilots had more than a dozen and more than 100 prisoners of the American Air Force, so there is no one to remember us on this particular day.
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn April 12 2021 15: 19
          +4
          Hello Vasilisa! hi
          Quote: yuliatreb
          but on this day of the Soviet pilots whom Colonel Kozhedub led into battle, no one died

          Remembering our pilots, I was not attached to this particular date. Not all of those who returned to the airfield that day returned to their homeland alive.
          Yes, and those who survived then, now only a few remained.
  3. sergo1914
    sergo1914 April 12 2021 13: 36
    +3
    Ukraine will not hit Russia. Not so stubborn. They can hit the republics. Then an answer will arrive. Russia will not hit Ukraine. For in FIG? Either the Ukrainians will freeze and break away, or they will provoke the republics (again, the question is - what a fig?). Pat.
  4. Tagan
    Tagan April 12 2021 13: 43
    +7
    Ukraine may and would like to, but it is scary.
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS April 12 2021 14: 26
      +5
      This is what the US press would like, they are not afraid.
  5. Ewiak ryzzard
    Ewiak ryzzard April 12 2021 13: 44
    +2
    Ukraine is repeating the scenario of Georgia in 2008 and I am not surprised by this. In the book of Daniel we read: “At the appointed time [the king of the north] will return back [Russia will again have military bases abroad. It also means a great crisis, the collapse of the EU and NATO. Many countries of the former Eastern Bloc will return to a military alliance with Russia]. And it will enter the south [the detonator will be the ethnic conflict south of the Russian borders (Matthew 24: 7). Then Georgia may be a hot spot again], but it will not be as before [Georgia - 2008] and as later [Ukraine. Here, too, there will now be no military response from the West. However, the next time, after the return of Russia, there will be a military confrontation with the United States], because the inhabitants of the Kittim shores [Americans] will arrive against him, and [he] will break [lose heart] and return ”(11:29, 30a). The Book of Revelation warns that when the US attacks Russia, the "great sword" will be used (6: 4).
  6. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 April 12 2021 13: 44
    +9
    Russia is not an aggressor, it has not started such wars, but it knows how to end them. And the Outskirts, after Russia took preventive measures, put it in their pants, which dramatically changed its militant rhetoric.
    All the demonstrative statements and preparations for the war of the Outskirts, on the borders of the DLNR and Crimea, left Russia no choice. The 101 "Chinese" warning is no longer appropriate.
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis April 12 2021 15: 03
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir61
      Russia is not an aggressor, it has not started such wars, but it knows how to end them. And the Outskirts, after Russia took preventive measures, put it in their pants, which dramatically changed its militant rhetoric.
      All the demonstrative statements and preparations for the war of the Outskirts, on the borders of the DLNR and Crimea, left Russia no choice. The 101 "Chinese" warning is no longer appropriate.

      Long ago, Russia answered the questions of war and peace with the words of a song Evgeny Evtushenko
      Do Russians want war? ..
      Do Russian wars want to happen?
      Ask you for silence
      over the expanse of arable land and fields
      and birches and poplars.
      You will ask those soldiers,
      that under the birches lie
      and let their sons tell you
      Do the Russians want war.

      Not only for your country
      the soldiers died in that war
      and so that people of the whole earth
      could easily dream.
      Under the rustle of leaves and posters
      You sleep, New York, you sleep, Paris.
      May your dreams answer you
      Do the Russians want war.

      Yes, we know how to fight,
      but do not want to again
      soldiers fell in battle
      to his sad land.
      You will ask your mother,
      ask my wife
      and then you must understand
      Do the Russians want war.
      November 1961, XNUMX
      1. not main
        not main April 12 2021 22: 05
        -1
        Quote: 30 vis
        Quote: Vladimir61
        Russia is not an aggressor, it has not started such wars, but it knows how to end them. And the Outskirts, after Russia took preventive measures, put it in their pants, which dramatically changed its militant rhetoric.
        All the demonstrative statements and preparations for the war of the Outskirts, on the borders of the DLNR and Crimea, left Russia no choice. The 101 "Chinese" warning is no longer appropriate.

        Long ago, Russia answered the questions of war and peace with the words of a song Evgeny Evtushenko
        Do Russians want war? ..
        Do Russian wars want to happen?
        Ask you for silence
        over the expanse of arable land and fields
        and birches and poplars.
        You will ask those soldiers,
        that under the birches lie
        and let their sons tell you
        Do the Russians want war.

        Not only for your country
        the soldiers died in that war
        and so that people of the whole earth
        could easily dream.
        Under the rustle of leaves and posters
        You sleep, New York, you sleep, Paris.
        May your dreams answer you
        Do the Russians want war.


        You will ask your mother,
        ask my wife
        and then you must understand
        Do the Russians want war.
        November 1961, XNUMX

        And the cons, for what? Or do you disagree with the text? I wonder what didn't please you? Maybe it is: Yes, we know how to fight,
        but do not want to again
        soldiers fell in battle
        to his sad land.
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis April 13 2021 07: 01
          0
          Quote: non-primary
          Yes, we know how to fight,

          It is for this and the disadvantages ... I have many "friends" here ... However, like our country ..
  7. Wolf
    Wolf April 12 2021 13: 49
    +18
    Here it is most dangerous and that the author is silent that it is they (USA, EVIL BRITIE) who are ABLE AND MAKE SUCH PROVOCATIONS TO START A CIVIL WAR AND THERE IS NO ONLY CIVIL WAR, IT IS THEIR KITCHEN SPECIALTY. Starting at 11. Septebra, after through the UN AND MONKEYS AND CRIMINALTS KOLIN PAUELA WITH WASHING POWDER.
    1. Clear
      Clear April 12 2021 14: 12
      +8
      Quote: Wolf
      Here it is most dangerous and that the author is silent that it is they (USA, EVIL BRITIE) who are ABLE AND MAKE SUCH PROVOCATIONS TO START A CIVIL WAR AND THERE IS NO ONLY CIVIL WAR, IT IS THEIR KITCHEN SPECIALTY. Starting at 11. Septebra, after through the UN AND MONKEYS AND CRIMINALTS KOLIN PAUELA WITH WASHING POWDER.

      That's right, Wolf. good So them, monkeys with washing powder!
  8. MakStVik
    MakStVik April 12 2021 14: 00
    +3
    And why should Russia have the motivation to strike first? Russia can only answer. Russia does not need too much, only its own.
    1. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus April 12 2021 14: 16
      -6
      Russia can only answer. Russia does not need too much, only its own.

      It remains to decide that your
      1. Dude
        Dude April 12 2021 14: 30
        +4
        And it is weak to give Crimea ...
        And from which ones? Crimea is the most, that neither is, its own.
        Personally, my "definition of a concept" is my own, in general, as the song says - "from Vladivostok to Brest". And from Novaya Zemlya to Kushka.
  9. Bshkaus
    Bshkaus April 12 2021 14: 15
    -17%
    Yes, they already got bored with a five-year-old boy! We figured out for a long time that drones do not fly at such a distance, and the boy was blown up on his grandfather's stash. Even the "respect" media have admitted this and have quieted down. And regarding the beginning of the DB, it is so obvious: the one who starts first will commit suicide. And I spit on the cons. The main thing is that people do not die, otherwise you can even negotiate with thugs
    1. Dude
      Dude April 12 2021 14: 35
      +4
      The main thing is that people do not die, otherwise you can even negotiate with thugs
      Jews in the 1930s thought so too. And they even tried to negotiate. How it ended is known.
      So, dismiss us from such contracts.
    2. Avior
      Avior April 12 2021 14: 47
      -2
      It has long been found out that no one has seen any drone, but it seems to have not reached VO
      https://www.osce.org/files/2021-04-05-06%20Daily%20Report_UKR.pdf?itok=45406
      1. Bshkaus
        Bshkaus April 13 2021 06: 56
        -1
        but it seems to have not reached VO

        Well, it has not yet reached the VO that yesterday was the 60th anniversary of Gagarin's flight. The only article about interesting facts about flight bases is a hint of a holiday. But Ukraine was mentioned 5 times, no less. It is not surprising: to fight against fascism and save the whole world is in our blood, and the Second World War came to every home. A bill will soon be submitted to the State Duma on the right to transfer and wear orders by inheritance. And with space, everything is more complicated: it seems like ours, but on the other hand, there are much fewer people personally involved, you can't “repeat it”, especially when the damned capitalist drones roam across Mars. It would seem that a small helicopter was sent as a fly, but it will fly at an altitude of 35 km! (remember the pressure on Mars) when we barely ate 10 km of the Mi-38. It is clear that there are different cars, but this is not expected in our country. And to crucify boys in shorts a hundred times is always welcome, despite the fact that it always turns out to be a fake.
  10. Roman070280
    Roman070280 April 12 2021 14: 24
    -3
    The reasoning of the American journalist looks interesting, but just what it means "Ukraine does not want to strike first." She inflicted it a long time ago - when she began to bomb people in Donbass

    This means that the conversation is about the current situation, and not about the times of Khmelnytsky or 2014 ..
    1. Jaromir
      Jaromir April 12 2021 14: 45
      +9
      The times of Khmelnitsky, no one takes into account. 2014 here it was, only 7 years ago and its echoes still sound. Today's realities are such that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are still killing children and shelling settlements in the Donbass.
      1. Roman070280
        Roman070280 April 12 2021 14: 58
        -3
        2014 here it was, just 7 years ago and its echoes still sound. Today's realities are


        No .. The realities are such that after 14 years, armistice were repeatedly concluded .. And therefore, the phrase "does not want to strike first" implies the resumption of hostilities now, and not what it was 7 years ago, and that in the calculation for a long time is no longer taken ..
    2. MakStVik
      MakStVik April 12 2021 15: 45
      +1
      So the Americans want it that way. They physically destroyed the entire indigenous population, squeezed everything out of the blacks, and now, like, it was a long time ago and not true, you will forget this in the world - we are now the beacon of democracy! Never forget anything! Only God forgives. So the Ukrainians have learned from the ovs.
  11. JonnyT
    JonnyT April 12 2021 14: 30
    +3
    Ukrainians are waiting for American ships in the Black Sea.
    Ukrainians do not want to, bzdyat, but Uncle Sam will find a way and make dill go on the offensive.
    The artillery shelling has quieted down, but the drgs are actively working, the land has not yet dried out.
    Yes, and w * d0vnya wants to get a holiday - it must be the same, the Orthodox Christians will pour blood from each other on Easter, and there are also May holidays.
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  13. Alex Nevs
    Alex Nevs April 12 2021 14: 36
    0
    And who will provoke the provocation now?
  14. Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich April 12 2021 14: 39
    -2
    Moscow and Kiev pulled powerful military groups to the borders of the unrecognized republics of Donbass

    It was Russia that pulled together a powerful grouping, and 404 is what is left.
  15. lopvlad
    lopvlad April 12 2021 15: 15
    0
    .. in Russia ................ do not want to strike first


    if Russia had set itself the goal of destroying the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Bandera's Ukraine, then there would be no Minsk agreements, and all of Ukraine, in the worst case along the Dnieper, would have been in another state for almost seven years. a relative who is a murderer and psychopath, we pat him on the head and hope that he will come to his senses.
    So the bloody clown Zelensky either make up his mind or reduce the concentration of Bandera troops on the border of the LPR.
  16. Oleg133
    Oleg133 April 12 2021 15: 15
    +2
    Leninists-internazists began to turn Ukraine into anti-Russia 100 years ago
  17. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 12 2021 15: 25
    0
    The whole essence of Ukrainians in the issue under consideration: Khomchak denied reports from Russia about Ukraine's preparations for an offensive in Donbass
    09.04.2021, 16: 20
    Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Ruslan Khomchak said that reports of Ukraine's alleged preparations for an offensive in Donbas are disinformation for Russia. laughing
  18. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 12 2021 15: 26
    +1
    In Russia, most likely all the options have been calculated, for each there is an answer. So we have nothing to worry about, Germany must worry about SP-2, in the event of hostilities, most likely, gas will not be pumped through Ukraine, the gas storage facilities are empty. laughing
  19. Normal ok
    Normal ok April 12 2021 15: 34
    -4
    Despite the really propagandistic essence of the current aggravation, there is always a variant: "kurtosis of the performer".
    1. Black lotos
      Black lotos April 12 2021 21: 34
      -2
      Quote: Normal ok
      kurtosis of the performer

      informationally, all participants (parties to the conflict) are "condemned" both in quantitative and qualitative terms. But each other.
      but they continue the whole business ... although the "forester" holds them back a little.
  20. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 12 2021 15: 34
    +1
    Where are you looking?

    Accumulated foreign direct investment in the Ukrainian economy as of December 31, 2020 amounted to $ 48,935 billion. Of these, equity participation instruments - $ 36,848 billion, debt instruments - $ 12,087 billion,
    The total external debt of Ukraine is $ 40,45 billion. The debt on issued securities in the foreign market is $ 23,62 billion.

    The largest state debt on loans received from international financial organizations is $ 12,18 billion.The debt to the IBRD is $ 4,86 billion, the European Community - $ 3,63 billion, the IMF - $ 2,41 billion.

    .....

    The external state-guaranteed debt of Ukraine is $ 9,36 billion. This amount includes many components.

    Debt on loans received from international financial institutions is $ 7,88 billion.Ukraine owes $ 110 million to the European Atomic Energy Community, EBRD $ 350 million, EIB $ 60 million, IBRD $ 460 million, IMF - 6,91 billion dollars
  21. Bradley
    Bradley April 12 2021 15: 36
    -2
    I would be very surprised if the Ukrainians wanted to strike the first blow. Pug on an elephant.
    1. frruc
      frruc April 12 2021 18: 20
      +1
      Already passed in 2014, they hit the city of Donetsk (Rost. Region), so what?
      1. Black lotos
        Black lotos April 12 2021 21: 36
        -2
        Quote: frruc
        Already passed in 2014, they hit the city of Donetsk (Rost. Region), so what?

        cross-border shelling was both from the Russian Federation and from the Ukrainian side.
        Rostov region and Gukovo as opposite examples.
  22. Dimide
    Dimide April 12 2021 15: 39
    -1
    How many times have I said: - there will be no offensive under Zelensky's rule. Everything else is nothing more than political rhetoric
    1. frruc
      frruc April 12 2021 18: 17
      +2
      Colleague, Zelensky can simply be confronted with a fact, he won't even know anything. In the morning he will wake up from the howling of a siren, quickly pull on his pants and run along with everyone in the bomb shelter. And the decisions will be made by the headquarters under the leadership of the military from NATO.
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      2. Kuzmitsky
        April 12 2021 19: 52
        +1
        That's the point: it doesn't matter. what Zelensky wants to do and what not. The same Biletsky or some other ghoul decides to hit Donetsk, from there a response will fly ... And that's it, it started. Zelenskiy simply does not control all Ukrainian militias. Most likely, no one controls them.
  23. iouris
    iouris April 12 2021 16: 27
    -2
    It doesn't mean anything. And how long will the army stand on the stretcher? This movie needs to be finished urgently.
  24. Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima April 12 2021 16: 37
    -1
    Interestingly, bets are not placed on the sweepstakes yet?)
    And what, to bet on one, to provoke, to take the jackpot.
    But I would not recommend betting on the outcome of the victory of Ukraine)
  25. opuonmed
    opuonmed April 12 2021 18: 23
    -2
    and can immediately strike at the United States, they did it all, what happens there with their filing and the coup proizashol!
  26. Sofa warrior
    Sofa warrior April 12 2021 21: 12
    0
    Quote: Clear
    US Press: Neither Russia nor Ukraine wants to strike first

    Yes, you didn’t think about it with the Indians and Japanese ...

    Read about the comfort houses, the Nanjing massacre and so on, it will be immediately clear why a nuclear bomb was dropped on them. It was also the Germans who were lucky that they had surrendered earlier, otherwise the Americans would have avenged them for ours. They did not mind torturing and killing unarmed Chinese tens of thousands, but now they feel sorry for them?
    1. Black lotos
      Black lotos April 12 2021 21: 39
      +1
      Quote: Sofa Warrior
      Read about the comfort houses, the Nanjing massacre and so on, it will be immediately clear why a nuclear bomb was dropped on them.

      after Pearl Harbor for the Japanese, the Americans had nothing to regret. China is far away and the Day of Shame is near. and this is only blood.
  27. Basarev
    Basarev April 12 2021 23: 35
    -2
    But you still have to strike. I am quite surprised by the cowardly mantra - if only there was no war. People have completely forgotten Churchill's superposition (about war and shame). I think on the contrary: one should not be afraid of war, not be afraid to strike first, not stop at anything and go to the end. This is how Israel, I have always considered it an example for Russia, and I said: Israel is an ideal Russia. I would be glad to see that Russia cares about Russians as much as Israel cares about Jews. I admire this people, if only because after all the terrible losses, expelled from everywhere, the Jews were still able to deploy extinction and again went to expanded reproduction, their future does not cause fears. And the Russians, even during our lifetime, risk disappearing completely.
  28. Chaldon1974
    Chaldon1974 April 13 2021 06: 35
    +2
    Remembering past events. The weeks that have passed since the escalation of the conflict in the past have shown a much larger number of broken houses and killed civilians. Thank God this is not happening now. That inf. what the experts possess is clearly not enough for the specific charges of one side or the other. At the moment, there is a feeling that elections are coming soon, so the party in power urgently needs an external or internal enemy. Edrosy lost trust by the most I do not want. And here you can click the locks, justify your worthless existence, they are the saviors of all Russia. I really hope that I'm not mistaken, the war is really not needed by anyone, but besides the snickering bureaucrats.
  29. GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 April 13 2021 06: 45
    -3
    [quote = Bshkaus] And I didn't give a damn about the cons. The main thing is that people do not die ...
    But after all, we are building in one, my friend, I also spit, and more than once, for a minus ... drinks
  30. Graduate student
    Graduate student April 18 2021 21: 34
    +15
    Neither Russia nor Ukraine wants to strike first

    Initially, Russia was not going to be at war with Ukraine. Russia will strike, but if the Armed Forces of Ukraine are the first to strike at Donbass, then the answer will be, but not otherwise.