Ex-Ambassador of Ukraine to Washington: The USA proposes to start deliveries of fighters under Lend-Lease

_{F-16 in the USA}

In Ukraine, they are considering the option of updating their fleet. Earlier, the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine announced their intention to abandon Soviet aircraft in the medium term, including Su-27 and MiG-29 fighters, Su-24 bombers and Su-25 attack aircraft. At the same time, Ukraine's gaze is turned, traditionally, towards the United States, from where decisions on supplies are expected. Recall that a few weeks ago, the commander of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine said that Ukraine expects to receive the fifth generation F-2035 fighters by 35.

Now the topic of updating the Ukrainian military aircraft fleet was raised by the former Ukrainian ambassador to the United States, Valeriy Chaly. He claims that Washington "offers Ukraine to start supplying fighters under Lend-Lease."

Chaly said that he has "friends in the American military-industrial sector" who "together with others are proposing a lend-lease option for Ukraine." According to the Ukrainian diplomat, with the help of these aircraft, "Ukraine will not only create a threat to Russia there, but will fairly update its air force."

Roan:

Our aircraft fleet is outdated, these Su and MiGs must be decommissioned.

It should be recalled that at one time the United States (immediately after the end of the Lend-Lease program) demanded payments from the countries to which the deliveries were made (including the USSR). Also, the Americans demanded that the equipment left over after the war be returned to them, or that it be written off with destruction. At the same time, negotiations on the amount of compensation continued many years after the war. As a result, the Russian Federation also paid part of the debt for lend-lease deliveries.

Apparently, in Ukraine, speaking about Lend-Lease, they believe that this military-technical assistance from the United States can be free of charge. But the USA is not the USSR, it is customary to beat out debts there to the last.

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[Insurgent]

Ex-Ambassador of Ukraine to Washington: The USA proposes to start deliveries of fighters under Lend-Lease

Through Iran, the ports of Murmansk and Arkhangelsk, and along the route from Alaska via AlSib ...

[tarabar]

It is necessary to propose the route on its own through the air defense polygons in the Astrakhan region

[hrych]

Quote from tarabar

through air defense polygons in the Astrakhan region

Astrakhan is the depth of our echeloned defense. It is not suitable, it is better to shoot down over enemy territory, on the approaches, and even better with over-the-horizon missiles deep in the enemy's territory, and the ideal ... to crash at the airfield. The initial transition to NATO standards and technology is valuable. Those. will finally finish off Ukroboronprom. Seen on the example of the former socialist countries, where the local arms production was buried. Wonderful.

[Tatyana]

Apparently, in Ukraine, speaking about Lend-Lease, they believe that this military-technical assistance from the United States can be free of charge. But the USA is not the USSR, it is customary to beat out debts there to the last.

It is precisely that the United States will knock out debts from Ukraine to the last Ukrainian and to the last piece of Ukrainian territory!

"Mighty" Bandera-Ukrainians live "for free" with their brains!

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Dreams about aviation continue ...

[ABC-schutze]

Laughter - laughter, but ... It is appropriate here to recall that Russia, in 2013, gave the former united Ukraine a completely "lifting" loan for a very real modernization of production potential. In particular, for the development of aircraft and shipbuilding industries. And the modernization of the transit gas - transport infrastructure. And this is work for tens of thousands of people. Moreover, long-term and highly qualified. And, incl. guarantee of long-term orders from Russia (quite solvent). In a word, Moscow, having clearly enough told Kiev (Yanukovych) that the former "irrevocably credit" freebies would no longer be, gave the former united Ukraine a "bait" for its development. As the Scripture recommends. And not BU-shnye castoffs, as the "friends" of the Kiev punks from the state military-industrial complex recommend ...

[Ilya-spb]

No really! Contaminate nature with debris and fuel (((

Better to press on the airfields with tanks.

[NIKN]

Ukrainian Armed Forces announced their intention in the medium term refuse from Soviet planes,

Yes, it is not necessary to "refuse" so pretentiously, they are just over.

[novel66]

well, it's so hohlya ... Kolya

[NIKN]

Hi Roma! They think that Lend-Lease in Ukrainian means a freebie. Great delusions turn into great disappointments.

[novel66]

well, that's what they want! maybe they'll learn at least something

[Mylenef]

They will not learn, there is no such desire and is not foreseen

[Cananecat]

Quote: Insurgent

Through Iran, the ports of Murmansk and Arkhangelsk ...

Taki sho ... do you still have money left?

[Insurgent]

Quote: Canecat

Taki sho ... do you still have money left?

Are you that sho? Yaki pennies BUT! The language of the ex-ambassador hasn't dried up ... Why is it so ne kazati?

[Revolver]

And finally, the Lend-Lease program ended with the end of the Second World War, and even Biden would not want to start the Third World War, at least not because of the Outskirts. And without any less reason, such programs cannot be pushed through Congress.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Nagan

And finally, the Lend-Lease program ended with the end of the Second World War, and even Biden would not want to start the Third World War, at least not because of the Outskirts. And without any less reason, such programs cannot be pushed through Congress.

It's like that But the Outskirts ... She lives in a different reality, a different story ...

[PalBor]

Chernozem still remains.

[Cananecat]

Kakly, of course, are still traders in an effort to sell their homeland, but where to export this black soil is a serious question. )))

[Piramidon]

Quote: Canecat

Kakly of course they are still traders

Mostly beggars. They simply have nothing to trade. They all sold out.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Piramidon

They simply have nothing to trade. They all sold out.

Well, everything is not so sad, but in a decent society they don't talk about this out loud

[Egoza]

Quote: PalBor

Chernozem still remains.

You are wrong! The black soil is over. "Free farmers" rushed to cultivate rapeseed and sunflowers, which greatly deplete the land. And those plots that were rented by the Vietnamese-Koreans - there is so much chemistry that it will take 10 years for the land to come to life.

[210ox]

You have asked a very interesting question. But this does not bother the horses. The sweetest things will start later ..

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Canecat

Quote: Insurgent

Through Iran, the ports of Murmansk and Arkhangelsk ...

Taki sho ... do you still have money left?

There is only land left and that's it There is no will (only on orders from the omerigi!). life was pledged (for a war with Russia!) .. All svidoukry sailed to the very edge ... Then the abyss ...

[xorek]

It will be a good training session for our Air Defense Forces! All the same, to capture the targets of our models of fighters, as it is not very sensation .. And here the amer's fakes, I just want to press the button to destroy .. Oh, the outskirts, your betrayal has not yet reached the bottom ..

[hrych]

Symbolically the F-35 at 35. Firstly, this is an accidental, colonial education must NOT live up to 35 years old. Secondly, Liz and leasing are one thing, i.e. rent. (Land - lend). Those. literally Lend-Lease, this is a loan to be rented. Here you can give the loan and pay for the rent. In turn, the loan, as it were, is also often with interest. For the recipient, it’s good, right now they give, but then payback. Also, leasing is given for something. Those. under the war. But the one who gives in leasing must hope for a return of funds with a profit, and here is the problem. The war with the Russian Federation at Nezalezhnaya is an unprofitable prospect. Also, fighters are not harvesters, although combiners also need to be trained, and consumables for fighters are expensive and, naturally, pilot training is an expensive pleasure. Flag (banderprapor) in hand.

Quote: Insurgent

Through Iran, the ports of Murmansk and Arkhangelsk, and along the route from Alaska ...

Through the Fourth Reich directly.

[Roman_vh]

And in 2036 they will receive Fu-36. In short, peace-work-May-June-July. Representatives of the peoples of the north.
PS For Ukraine - unprofitable, but for specific individuals it is quite a gesheft.

[Charik]

Lend-land Liz-pledge, received: on the security of land, that is, if there is no money or precious metal, then they take the land

[hrych]

land - land, and lend - to lend, lend, lease - to lease, rent.

[Charik]

but yes, definitely land-land, but all the same, there is no money-precious metal too, the earth remains and of course they are not interested in the layer of the earth, but in the surface where you can do whatever you want to do

[knn54]

"It is a sin to laugh at the Ukrainian Air Force".

[mojohed2012]

If the states want to, they will also deliver the BTA through bases in Germany, as well as by sea across the Atlantic Ocean.
Only here is the question: if Krajina, in fact, at the level of its self-named "officials" declared its refusal to comply with the Minsk agreements, then why should the LPNR not carry out an offensive to the Dnieper with the help of the Northern Winds?
In fact, LDNR may have tactical missiles, and numerous artillery, as well as armored vehicles. If the United States supplies planes according to Lend-Lease, then on the same basis we can supply S-300s to the LPNR, for example, Pantsiri and Buki, as well as other air defense systems.
So you can put something else.

[Real Pilot]

Let's literally look at the Lend-Lease program as its name suggests. This is not Free-Help, absolutely and in principle ...

To lend - rent, lend. To lease - to lease, that is, in a financial lease. The difference is that if preserved, then return, and in case of loss, pay.

Where are we talking about free help, gifts and friendship? And a war of this magnitude does not go on when all the calculations are later ... And the United States is not the USSR and the Russian Federation, when the Ukrainian SSR was released with the entire national economy on its territory absolutely free! We shared the legacy of the USSR in a brotherly manner, without deception.

[210ox]

But you never know what the ex-ambassador can say. He may have heard this term, but due to his lack of mind, he dragged it in ..

[ANB]

... We shared the legacy of the USSR in a brotherly manner, without deception.

Well, the very fact of the division was not entirely legal.

[vadim dok]

You're wrong! When the equipment was DESTROYED by Lend Lisa, NOTHING was paid (neither did the USSR pay), after the end of the program, all equipment had to be returned to the USA or PAID!

[Terenin]

The commander of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine said that Ukraine expects to receive the fifth generation F-2035 fighters by 35.

It is interesting to see these calculations

[Terenin]

Chaly stated that he has "friends in the American military-industrial sector"

The names of which we will hear in the next US-Ukraine corruption scandal.

which “together with others offer an option

Agree to any option, buddy ambassador, take the rap all the same then not for you

[novel66]

not at any. but on the profitable for yourself .... this is not politics, you have to think here! Gene

[Terenin]

Quote: novel xnumx

not at any. but on the profitable for yourself .... this is not politics, you have to think here! Gene

You were not an official, Roma. For them, any option is beneficial. In all countries, without exception.

[novel66]

Yes. wealth. see. not for me

[alex neym_2]

If I'm not mistaken, then "lend-lenses" is military assistance to the belligerent side ... and Ukraine declared war on whom, what would get everything for free, .. and then grandchildren ... great-grandchildren will pay?

[venik]

Quote: Insurgent

Ex-Ambassador of Ukraine to Washington: The USA proposes to start deliveries of fighters under Lend-Lease
Through Iran, the ports of Murmansk and Arkhangelsk, and along the route from Alaska via AlSib ...

=========
Respected Insurgent! (Sorry! First name and patronymic - I don't know!)
The problem is that these Kiev idiots - absolutely do not imagine WHAT this is "land lease"(well, at school - they didn't teach ... !!! From the word - AT ALL!
They are firmly convinced that this is a FREEZER !!!!
PS Well, what can you do! SO they were brought up! Forgot (or do not understand) the ancient Ukrainian мудрость"what God did not give, you DO NOT BUY that in the pharmacy!"
It happens!......

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

For chubaty this is a great offer. They will receive the planes and pay off with the land. In any case, colonial Ukraine will at least somehow re-equip its Air Force, even with decommissioned copies. Their choice is not so great.

[NDR-791]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

They will receive the planes and pay off with the land.

Everything is extremely neglected ... They do not distinguish lend-lease from leasing at all

[Roman_vh]

I think the American said to him "Hochland, leasing" (in the sense of licking a Ukrainian), but he already thought of it himself.

[figwam]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

They will receive the planes and pay off with the land.

Then they will be driven into debt, this is independence in the American way.

[Irokez]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

They will receive the planes and pay off with the land.

The land is not that, but GOLD (like the USSR in the Second World War) is the most, but is it left in / in Ukraine.

[Constanty]

The USSR in the Second World War did not pay in gold for supplies under Lend-Lease. Gold was paid to the British for supplies not included in LL.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

For chubaty this is a great offer. They will receive the planes and pay off with the land. In any case, colonial Ukraine will at least somehow re-equip its Air Force, even with decommissioned copies. Their choice is not so great.

They would not have planes, but more brains, only the problem is that brains are not shipped under Lend-Lease or leased.

[yuliatreb]

While they are offered, do not refuse, I remembered an anecdote, it is certainly not decent, I will not print it, but the ending of the current: - "Drive me into debt"

[Coward]

Previously, in order to ruin the country, you had to give it a cruiser. Now the planes.

[Terenin]

Chaly said that he has "friends in the American military-industrial sector"

Tell me who your friend is, and I'll tell you ... how much you will be shod with

[novel66]

shod the country ... Roan will be in abundance!

[Terenin]

Quote: novel xnumx

shod the country ... Roan will be in abundance!

Of course, Roan in abundance, and Ukraine in the remainder.

[Cat]

No, according to Lend-Lease, only cookies, the previous ones have not yet been paid.

[Andrey Korotkov]

What lend-lease they are？ （spoiled the ambassador good word） May the land rover？

[novel66]

Maybe a land rover？

but not bold?

[Terenin]

Quote: novel xnumx

Maybe a land rover？

but not bold?

Used, or after an accident

[Andrey Korotkov]

Quote: Terenin

Quote: novel xnumx

Maybe a land rover？

but not bold?

Used, or after an accident

There are many sites for sale, a large selection

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Andrey Korotkov

Quote: Terenin

Quote: novel xnumx

Maybe a land rover？

but not bold?

Used, or after an accident

There are many sites for sale, a large selection

Wait wait, what about the experience "Advanced European" Baltic countries? Oh, how worn out they are with the landrover's donated ...

[Andrey Korotkov]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Quote: Andrey Korotkov

Quote: Terenin

Quote: novel xnumx

Maybe a land rover？

but not bold?

Used, or after an accident

There are many sites for sale, a large selection

Wait wait, what about the experience "Advanced European" Baltic countries? Oh, how worn out they are with the landrover's donated ...

Smart learn from other people's mistakes and horses go their own way

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Andrey Korotkov

Smart learn from other people's mistakes and horses go their own way

Well, don't bother them

[rocket757]

Ex-Ambassador of Ukraine to Washington: The USA proposes to start deliveries of fighters under Lend-Lease

... We've already discussed ... what else can you add?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

... We've already discussed ... what else can you add?

The main thing to the whole world is to shout "Discussed !!!"

[rocket757]

Where is "the whole world", what is "the whole world"?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

Where is "the whole world", what is "the whole world"?

All "civilized Europe and square.

[rocket757]

Something is not noticeable ... although no, it’s just noticeable by the sour face of Pan ZY that the gamerope, the striped whales, the whole world, they don’t care ... Although, for the horses, this was enough to stimulate the jumping.

[ghby]

For me, one lend-lease supplies are associated with supplies for war and participation in hostilities? If the diplomat is not lying, but he can))) then what happens our opponents offer the outskirts of technology, and not an ordinary one, to fight with us?

[Terenin]

Quote: ghby

to make war with us?

For this "civilized west" and woke up Bandera bastards.

[Fedor Sokolov]

How will Ukraine pay for this "Lend-Lease"? The post-war USSR, during the period of its economic dispersal, paid off the United States in gold and agreed that the American national currency became the world's reserve currency, and thus America gained unprecedented power.

[ximkim]

Ukraine will not only create a threat to Russia there, but will fairly renew its Air Force. "

Though they do not hide their intentions ..
The United States will definitely not fly by, they will receive money for the fighters.
But Ukraine?!. Wants to buy fighters for evil to a neighbor it turns out.

[tihonmarine]

Chaly said that he has "friends in the American military-industrial sector" who "together with others are proposing a lend-lease option for Ukraine."

Tell me who your friend is, and I'll tell you who you are.

[Terenin]

Quote: tihonmarine

Chaly said that he has "friends in the American military-industrial sector" who "together with others are proposing a lend-lease option for Ukraine."

Tell me who your friend is, and I'll tell you who you are.

American partners, their mother ...

Greetings Vlad

[Constanty]

It should be recalled that at one time the United States (immediately after the end of the Lend-Lease program) demanded payments from the countries to which the supplies were made (including the USSR). Also, the Americans demanded that the equipment left over after the war be returned to them, or that it be written off with destruction. At the same time, negotiations on the amount of compensation continued many years after the war. As a result, the Russian Federation also paid part of the debt for lend-lease deliveries.

This is what was provided for by the Lend-Lease Law, and this was known from the very beginning, so I do not understand the surprise.

It is important to note that no fees were charged for weapons destroyed during the operation.
The USSR (and later Russia) paid for only a small part of the supplied weapons, equipment and materials.

[Revolver]

Not certainly in that way. Military supplies (tanks, aircraft, ammunition) were either used until unusable or returned at the end of hostilities. But supplies for non-military purposes, of which there were also many, such as railway locomotives, metal-cutting machines, were payable after the war, but with a very profitable installment plan. And such supplies as food, incl. the famous stew with a klikuha "second front", fuel, aluminum in ingots, and much more, I did not even find what category they were in.

[Avior]

All lend-lease supplies remaining in stock, whether military or not, had to either be returned or paid a symbolic price, at the choice of the USSR, with the exception of those written off or used during the war.

[Prisoner]

"Chaly said that he has" friends in the American military-industrial sector "who" together with others are proposing a lend-lease option for Ukraine "..." (c) All their ambassadors are so stupid?

[Zaurbek]

Could have passed the F-16 ... and Cobras free of charge. All the same, they will be withdrawn .... You can bring the Ukrainian Air Force to a good level. For the sake of the fight against treacherous Russia, something must be sacrificed.

[Bad_gr]

More recently, in Ukraine, the question of replacing UAZs in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, on the purchase of warships was raised, now the turn has come to airplanes. Interestingly, at least you found money to replace the UAZs? Or all the expectation that all the equipment will be presented?

[Prisoner]

For these "gifts" they have to pay and pay off. They will have to pay, their children, their grandchildren, etc.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Captive

For these "gifts" they must pay and pay

These gifts are little things for the bourgeoisie, they are just play 404th. But when the multimillion-dollar gifts are sent to create systems integrated with Nata, there will be serious expenses ... and after all, they will press it so affectionately that there will be no opportunity to jump off

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Bad_gr

Or all the expectation that all the equipment will be presented?

The great delusion of all newborn democracies - documents must be read carefully ...

[Reviews]

They apparently forgot how the lend-lease for the fascist regimes ends.

[alexmach]

and the only thing that Ukraine will have to do is go back to the faith and become damned communists.

[Popandos]

Here in the next thread it was discussed:
Read carefully!
Even if the United States transfers all the planes to Ukraine free of charge, it will still require huge costs, for which Kiev simply does not have the funds.

Ukrainians finally understand that you will pay even for free help !!!

[TerraSandera]

Correctly, like all natives, they turn from producers to consumers. Only a few in the Western world have at least some kind of subjectivity, and even those have partial

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

When building an inflatable fleet, you should also think about inflatable aviation. Such plans seem more realistic to me.

[rotmistr60]

Ukraine expects to receive fifth-generation fighters F-2035 by 35

Then you can not read this next nonsense. One brags about friends in the American military-industrial complex and mutters about some kind of Lend-Lease, vaguely imagining what it is, others pick it up together and, most importantly, believe in it.

[Tagan]

Lend-lease, but free of charge? Non-brothers are often confused in wording. For them, the main thing is probably the sound, not the meaning.
In any case, the client already exists on a "gratuitous basis" and Israel will not tolerate a second one)))

[ROSS_51]

The Ukrainian Armed Forces announced their intention to abandon Soviet aircraft in the medium term, including Su-27 and MiG-29 fighters, Su-24 bombers and Su-25 attack aircraft.

Why are they talking about Soviet planes in the plural? Do they have more than two?

[Bradley]

It should be recalled that at one time the United States (immediately after the end of the Lend-Lease program) demanded payments from the countries to which the supplies were made (including the USSR). Also, the Americans demanded that the equipment left over after the war be returned to them, or that it be written off with destruction. At the same time, negotiations on the amount of compensation continued many years after the war. As a result, the Russian Federation also paid part of the debt for lend-lease deliveries.


Apparently, in Ukraine, speaking about Lend-Lease, they believe that this military-technical assistance from the United States can be free of charge. But the USA is not the USSR, it is customary to beat out debts there to the last.

Author, aren't you ashamed to lie?
The Americans demanded either to return the remaining equipment (tanks, planes, trucks, jeeps, etc.) or pay for it. We were not given the equipment as a gift, but given to "drive" it. This is the same as, for example, Vasya needs to transport the wardrobe, Petya gives Vasya a Gazelle to move the wardrobe, and after Vasya has moved the wardrobe, Petya, of course, wants his Gazelle back.
The equipment supplied under Lend-Lease and destroyed during the battles was not subject to payment, like food, textiles, fuel, machinery and much, much more.

[AlexeyEg]

Why not impose a tax on Ukraine ... like Cuba the Americans, at one time? Or will the Americans have to bring nuclear weapons there?

[Gennady Fomkin]

:l

Quote: Canecat

Kakly, of course, are still traders in an effort to sell their homeland, but where to export this black soil is a serious question. )))

Yes, there is no "black earth" for a long time If Nenka keeps the farm for his own food, this will already be an achievement.

[Gennady Fomkin]

I will call the godfather to Biliy dim vin me letak in my own way

[yehat2]

former ambassador is official zero
maybe he has friends, but this will in no way solve the issue of the solvency of the beggars

[Herman 4223]

Lend Lease is not a freebie, it's an installment plan. How many articles about updating the Ukrainian air force lately.
Bulgarians bought 8 f-16s for $ 1,2 billion. Ukrainians want to buy 6,5-72 cars for 100. How interesting they can do it.

[Normal ok]

It should be recalled that at one time the United States (immediately after the end of the Lend-Lease program) demanded payments from the countries to which the supplies were made (including the USSR).

I do not presume to judge the degree of probability of Chaly's statement. What is going to be there. - God will judge. But, the above phrase. - distortion of facts.

[NF68]

The most important thing is that horses will not have to pay for them right away. Freebie rules.

[clerk]

Chaly said that he has "friends in the American military-industrial sector" who "together with others are proposing a lend-lease option for Ukraine."

The second-hand uukrodomat "forgot" to say that the issue of such supplies is decided not by the military-industrial complex, but by the Congress and the President of the United States, which must adopt and sign the appropriate law. Without the adoption of such a law, all the wishlist of the American military-industrial complex and its ukroshesterok are worth absolutely nothing.

[yfast]

F-36 will be delivered to Ukraine.

[clerk]

... F-36 will be delivered to Ukraine.

Rather F-46

[Metallurg_2]

Lend-lease, as it were, involves payment, doesn't it?

[Oleg Aviator]

Oh and stupid ... Foolish little bagatie.

[Charik]

"They offer Ukraine to start supplying fighters under Lend-Lease." Ukraine probably does not agree and wants now and for free

[3 Gradient]

Lend-Lease in the 21st century.
This ... is already an anachronism.
Actually. This is a ... recycling promotion!
Remember it was ... "Utilsyrye".
"Ukraine expects to receive the fifth generation F-2035 fighters by 35."
Yes! They ... get it.
Only in 2060.
(If The USA ... will not be named by this time ...
The BLM.)

[Graduate student]

in Washington "offer Ukraine to start supplying fighters under Lend-Lease"

Lend-Lease. Is there money in the budget in Ukraine?
The Biden family and others have already taken a lot out of Ukraine, leaving those there without lace panties.

[King3214]

The coolest thing is that the United States does not supply Ukraine with vaccines, but only weapons.
Americans "love" Ukrainians that they will not wait until they take a break, in one way or another.

[Slavors Gart]

The militia will soon have an American plane ...