"Allies from the United States will help us": Taiwan confirmed its intention to buy more than a hundred M1A2T Abrams tanks

The Taiwanese military has confirmed its intentions to increase tank component in the ranks of the army and simultaneous modernization. At the same time, the command notes that "the United States of America will provide assistance in this plan." Reports say that about $ 1,3 billion will be allocated to modernize the fleet of armored vehicles of Taiwan's Sixth Army Corps.

The Taiwanese military command intends to purchase M1A2T Abrams tanks from the United States. The first batch is due to arrive on the island in 2023. In total, the Americans will sell over a hundred (108) of their tanks to Taiwan, the last batch of which will be delivered to the Taiwanese army in 2026.

It is known that the United States sent its specialists to Taiwan to train local servicemen in the operation of the Abrams tanks of the M1A2T version. In turn, Taiwan will send 84 of its troops to the United States, where they will receive additional training at American military bases. 36 of 84 are tankers, the rest are technical personnel.

In Taiwan itself, they are going to create a training center with a Kengzikou tank range in Hsinchu County. The polygon will be equipped with the latest equipment, including stationary and moving targets that "respond" to laser signals that simulate defeat.

At the moment, the Taiwanese army has approximately 1 tanks, including the 50-ton CM-11 Brave Tiger and the 46,2-ton M60A3 of the American design of the late 1950s.

Taiwan Armed Forces Command:

In light of the growing threat from Beijing, we need to improve our military-technical capabilities. Allies from the United States will help us in modernizing the tank component.

Comments

[svp67]

I wonder what the United States will be left with?

[mitroha]

I wonder why the island needs tanks? To fight the demonstrators? Or attack with tank armadas? They need more anti-tank weapons and armored personnel carriers, and something like an octopus, kmk

[paul3390]

If you look at the map of Taiwan, we see that two-thirds are mountains. Or heavily indented hills. In the west, there is a plain, built up with a solid forest. It is on it that 90 percent live. So the terrain is not very tanky, to put it mildly. Using tanks in mountains or cities is not the best option. So - most likely he really drank. Well - and to annoy the mainland Chinese ..

[Andrey Korotkov]

Quote: paul3390

If you look at the map of Taiwan, we see that two-thirds are mountains. Or heavily indented hills. In the west, there is a plain, built up with a solid forest. It is on it that 90 percent live. So the terrain is not very tanky, to put it mildly. Using tanks in mountains or cities is not the best option. So - most likely he really drank. Well - and to annoy the mainland Chinese ..

And if you consider that ~ 150 km to the mainland of China, then yes, I drank the budget

[Alex777]

Antiamphibious defense for Taiwan and sale of obsolete, reduced weapons to the United States.

[Andrey Korotkov]

Quote: Alex777

Antiamphibious defense for Taiwan and sale of obsolete, reduced weapons to the United States.

Business is nothing personal, the golden calf rules

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Alex777

Antiamphibious defense for Taiwan and sale of obsolete, reduced weapons to the United States.

I would add:
Antiamphibious defense for Taiwan with a reduction in Taiwan's tank fleet in favor of more modern tanks and the sale of obsolete, reduced weapons to the United States.

The SV tank park consists of modernized American tanks: М60А3 (480 vehicles), М48А3 / 5 (local name - СМ-12, 309 units) and М-48Н (СМ-11, 450 units). There are also more obsolete American light tanks - M41 (Type-64) and M24.

https://yandex.ru/turbo/warfor.me/s/suhoputnyie-voyska-tayvanya/
Probably only M60A3 are subject to modernization, all the rest for scrap metal, museums and private collections.
Thus, 480 М60А3 (if upgraded) + 108 M1A2T Abrams will be enough for Taiwan, all other tanks can still be used only either as bunkers or as tank ambushes, in RB, but Taiwan does not have the resources to sacrifice tankers, ammunition for old tanks are not produced and it is unlikely that old tanks are in proper condition ....
In addition, Taiwan has over 600 self-propelled guns ...

for the modernization of the fleet of armored vehicles XNUMXth Army Corps Taiwan will be allocated about $ 1,3 billion.

6th AK (headquarters in Zhongli), which is responsible for the defense of the northern part of the island of Taiwan

see there
Apparently in the 6th AK SV of Taiwan (one of three, previously all three AK were PA) collected the most combat-ready tank formations ...

[Alex777]

I agree!

[Incvizitor]

Forgive the owners, they seem to please.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Mitroha

I wonder why the island needs tanks? To fight the demonstrators? Or attack with tank armadas? They need more anti-tank weapons and armored personnel carriers, and something like an octopus, kmk

With the fact that if there is an attack from China. then it will be primarily airborne troops, and only then. much later there will be a transfer of heavy equipment.
Airborne assault is a minimum of weapons, especially heavy weapons.
Accordingly, the landing against self-defense units with tanks is much "different" than the landing against self-defense units without tanks ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: SovAr238A

With the fact that if there is an attack from China. then it will be primarily an airborne assault,

Do not tell the kind and trusting members of the forum the combat strength of the military aviation of the PLA Air Force?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Lara Croft

Quote: SovAr238A

With the fact that if there is an attack from China. then it will be primarily an airborne assault,

Do not tell the kind and trusting members of the forum the combat strength of the military aviation of the PLA Air Force?

Well, they already have 30 VTA aircraft ...
Or do you not consider them as BTA?
Yes, and they have paratroopers, not made with a finger ...

[Lara Croft]

Quote: SovAr238A

Well, they already have 30 VTA aircraft ...

Almost guessed right - 36 heavy transports .... think enough?

Yes, and they have paratroopers, not made with a finger ...

And we do not know that, unlike our airborne forces, I have not heard about the use of the PLA airborne forces ...
I've heard about the Airborne Forces of the USSR / RF, USA, Great Britain, France ...

[mvg]

That's about the USSR / RF Airborne Forces

Can you tell me about the successful operations of the RF / USSR Airborne Forces, and in general the United States. All ended either deplorably or the paratroopers themselves had to be saved.
PS: It is difficult to imagine in a modern war how heavy transport Il-76 parachute a thousand or two paratroopers. This is already completely suppressed air defense and air force, and there is nothing on the ground ...
Here the RF Airborne Forces is definitely a cut of money .. with a big one. There is a strong lobby in MO.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: mvg

Can you tell me about the successful operations of the RF / USSR Airborne Forces, and in general the United States.

banned in Google or "principled"?

Here the RF Airborne Forces is definitely a cut of money .. with a big one.

Yes, everyone already knows about your inhuman love for the Empireists and your hatred for everything Russian ...

[mvg]

hatred for everything Russian ...

What does the Russian have to do with it? I am for the Italian landings, and for the American ones in 1991 .. I'm not talking about the Second World War ...
I then raised this topic, but why are you climbing with your Murzilka? Just any date for a successful landing. Deep into enemy territory. Something that could not be done by other branches of the military. Weak? Urya patriot

[Lara Croft]

Quote: mvg

Why are you climbing with your Murzilka? What does the Russian have to do with it?

And what does it have to do with you, if I communicate with you in a dialogue ... the murzilka was badly brought up?

I am for the Italian landings

I didn't write a word ... in my comments, return to the dialogue, maybe you remember what you wrote about yourself ...

Just any date for a successful landing. Deep into enemy territory. Something that could not be done by other branches of the military. Weak?

Try other search engines on the Internet ... if you get banned from Google ...
Do not cough ...

[Yrec]

The purchase of tanks by Taiwan is a tribute to the hegemon. In the hope that he will protect if something happens. A vain hope, the hegemon fights only with an obviously weaker adversary and then as part of "coalitions".

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Yrec

The purchase of tanks by Taiwan is a tribute to the hegemon.

The purchase of tanks is a belated reaction of the military-political leadership to the renewal of the tank fleet of its armed forces.
10 years ago Yanukovych would have enjoyed drinking them a couple of hundred T-72 or T-80 ... for less money ...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Lara Croft

Quote: Yrec

The purchase of tanks by Taiwan is a tribute to the hegemon.

The purchase of tanks is a belated reaction of the military-political leadership to the renewal of the tank fleet of its armed forces.
10 years ago Yanukovych would have enjoyed drinking them a couple of hundred T-72 or T-80 ... for less money ...

Why does Taiwan, which has been sitting on American weapons for 60 years, need Soviet tanks?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: SovAr238A

Why does Taiwan, which has been sitting on American weapons for 60 years, need Soviet tanks?

Yes, I do, thoughts by ear ... in any case, the Americans would transfer all the "arrows" to the Ukrainians .... but the latter do not care ...

[mitroha]

Quote: svp67

I wonder what the United States will be left with?

With money, apparently

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: svp67

I wonder what the United States will be left with?

The United States has 3700 tanks in storage, they can easily sell a hundred.

[knn54]

- “Allies from the USA will help us”: to buy American weapons.
Interestingly, Taiwan does not diplomatically recognize the "US ally".

[Blackmokona]

But as soon as the United States stops being an ally, the PRC will immediately seize Taiwan. The United States is the only thing that keeps the PRC from resolving the issue by force. The troops there opposite Taiwan are large, elite and in constant readiness

[Old tanker]

Xing Jing Ping was also the secretary of the CPC Ningde County Committee of Fujian Province and the first secretary of the Fujian Military District of the People's Liberation Army of China. This very province, which is 150 km from Taiwan. So the theater of war is very familiar to him.

[mojohed2012]

A very logical question. Abrams tanks are no longer produced, but only modernized. Consequently, if the United States supplies them to third countries, then the states themselves will have a reduction in the number of tanks.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: mojohed2012

A very logical question. Abrams tanks are no longer produced, but only modernized. Consequently, if the United States supplies them to third countries, then the states themselves will have a reduction in the number of tanks.

I'll drink from the reserve.

The European countries participating in the alliance have 11 thousand tanks, the USA and Canada together - 18 thousand.

https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2019/10/07/12741745.shtml
According to the reform of the US ILC, TPs (4 units in each) will be eliminated in all 70 DMPs, so that you can do without upgrading the supplied tanks.

[yehat2]

in the United States is now hearing a program to completely abolish the operation of heavy tanks.
In addition, let me remind you that the production of Abrams no longer exists in the USA - it was closed several years ago. As I understand it, the United States plans to switch to light tanks with anti-cumulative and anti-fragmentation protection.

[OgnennyiKotik]

A bit wrong. A complete rejection of heavy tanks is not on the agenda. But in the KMP they will be completely written off to the reserve in 25-30 years, in the army in the "light" brigades "light" tanks (where they are light is not clear) are introduced. Heavy tank brigades in the army, as they were, remain. They only have ~ 3700 Abrams in storage, 447 pieces are still in the KMP for cancellation. More than 4000 tanks that are not needed. So they sell it to everyone.
They are armed with ~ 2670 units in the Army (~ 3100 in total), in our army, marines and airborne forces ~ 3300 different modifications of the T-72/80/90.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

in the army in "light" brigades, "lungs" are introduced (in what place they are lungs is not clear) Tanks.

Can you link?

They are armed with ~ 2670 units in the Army (~ 3100 in total), in our army, marines and airborne forces ~ 3300 different modifications of the T-72/80/90.

What bastard has put you on the disadvantages?

They only have ~ 3700 Abrams in storage, 447 pieces are still in the KMP for cancellation.

Thus, the United States can completely replace, for example, the entire tank fleet of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, without much damage to itself ....

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Lara Croft

Can you link?

Sure. There is often news about it.
https://topwar.ru/159780-buduschee-programmy-mpf-ssha.html

Quote: Lara Croft

Thus, the United States can completely replace, for example, the entire tank fleet of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, without much damage to itself.

And twice. It is profitable for them to ship them to the countries of Eastern Europe, these tanks are mainly intended against Russia.

By the way, I pulled out the data where and what tanks we have, of course ±:
MBT 2,840: 650 T-72B / BA; 850 T-72B3; 530 T-72B3M; 310 T-80BV / U; 140 T-80BVM; 350 T-90 / T-90A; 10 T-90M;
VDV:
MBT 160: 150 T-72B3; 10 T-72B3M
Fleet:
MBT 330: 50 T-72B; 150 T-72B3; 30 T-72B3M; 50 T-80BVs; 50 T-80BVM

[Lara Croft]

OgnennyiKotikКонечно.

Thank you so much! Helpful information.
I honestly hoped that you confused "light" formations with "strikers", but here the 82nd is being rearmed, it lost its light tanks back in the XB years ...
I don’t understand why our airborne forces are not arming with Octopus, but MBT, because the concept of using LT is similar to us:

The redesigned tank turret has a unit with a 120-mm smoothbore cannon. XM360 and coaxial machine gun. In terms of fire control systems, the Griffin II is partially unified with the existing armored vehicles of the US Army. Expected that due to such weapons and the MSA, the light tank will not be inferior in firepower to the main "Abrams".

it is profitable to ship them to the countries of Eastern Europe

There the Germans occupied their niche, even in the years of the Cold War, half of NATO drove Leopards ...
Georgia did not complete its "homework", so it will be armed on a leftover basis, but part of the Armed Forces can be rearmed, those units on the way of which (or during withdrawal, which) there will be no bridges and water barriers ...

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Lara Croft

I don’t understand why our airborne forces are not armed with Octopus, but MBT, because the concept of using LT is similar

Not really, their "light" tank in weight is the T-62. Octopus is a self-propelled gun, in the USA it is analogous to the Stryker with a 105 mm cannon. We have an excellent Bakhcha-U module that will cope with most tasks. It is more critical for us to put Kurganets and Boomerang in the series, including with Bakhcha.

Quote: Lara Croft

There the Germans occupied their niche, even in the years of the Cold War, half of NATO rode Leopards.

Logistics is simpler, there are no questions here. The states can dump or shove in an aid package. The Germans seem to have given out almost everything.
MBT 245: 225 Leopard 2A5 / A6; 19 Leopard 2A7; 1 Leopard 2A7V (78 Leopard 2A4 in store)

[Lara Croft]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

The Germans seem to have given out almost everything.
MBT 245: 225 Leopard 2A5 / A6; 19 Leopard 2A7; 1 Leopard 2A7V (78 Leopard 2A4 in store)

Yes, that's for sure, that year there was an article about the Polish Army, the latter chose all the stocks of used tanks from the FRG, and the Portuguese and Spanish Leopards are in a terrible state ...

[Viktor Sergeev]

A waste of money. I wonder what the amount of kickbacks received by Taiwanese officials?

[Popandos]

If someone, something to get into for the grandmother, the Americans are the first allies.

[Rubi0]

They are the first to vyushivayut democracy and separatism, and then under this all he sells weapons, pushes preferences for their companies or generally take control into their own hands.

[Popandos]

democracy and the struggle for it, this is the main commodity after the dollar

[Pereira]

Abrams are not produced. Or will they receive the BU?
Have you tried to buy in China?

[Konstantin Gogolev]

China will supply for free soon. With their crews.
A pointless purchase. They only develop air defense and coastal guards. And even that is pointless.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Konstantin Gogolev

China will supply for free soon. With their crews.
A pointless purchase. They only develop air defense and coastal guards. And even that is pointless.

Katz offers to surrender?

[Konstantin Gogolev]

It's time for them to change their shoes - to study the teachings of the Great Helmsman. There are no options. Or then they will be losers.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Pereira

Abrams are not produced. Or will they receive the BU?
Have you tried to buy in China?

Abrams will be modernized and overhauled before shipment.

[opposite28]

In Taiwan itself, they are going to create a training center with a Kengzikou tank range in Hsinchu County. The polygon will be equipped with the latest equipment, including stationary and moving targets that "respond" to laser signals that simulate defeat. In light of the growing threat from Beijing, we need to improve our military-technical capabilities.
Allies from the United States will help us in modernizing the tank component.
A responsible approach to improving the potential of the Taiwanese army is evident.

[TerraSandera]

They know how to sell completely unnecessary abrashki to the islanders. The tank can be quite good overall. But apart from Merikos, as for me, no one needs such a colossus. Very heavy, eats a lot, excessive for the islands. Well, the tanks there obviously will not decide anything. Mobility, ATGM, ambush warfare, missile strikes, aviation will quickly calm down (put to rest) and a hundred and two and three.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: TerraSandera

Well, the tanks there obviously will not decide anything.

Especially when I dump the PLA MP into the sea after its disembarkation, which will arrive either without tanks at all or with old T-69s. they are lighter than new Chinese designs ...

[Pastor]

Buying weapons from the United States is not a military but a political necessity. In this way they are trying to protect themselves from the invasion of China. And it will be. As soon as the US gives up slack or climbs on Russia in Europe, China will immediately seize everything that it can.

[rocket757]

In light of the growing threat from Beijing, we need to improve our military-technical capabilities. Allies from the United States will help us in modernizing the tank component

The striped men carried out an excellent action of "intimidation", so they frightened the Taiwanese, and they rushed to buy something that, in case of anything, would not save them in any way.
China can crush them purely economically ... but they are in no rush, as always. This fruit will still fall into their hand, over time.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Some have already shouted: "America is with us")

[archiroll]

It's time for Taiwan to think about how to sell itself to the Chinese at a higher price - and they puff up ...

[Galleon]

Taiwan is a kind of geopolitical marker for China. When the Chinese take Taiwan, they will be ready for everything else. And I would not advise anyone to say anything against it. Because then they will remember the Japanese atrocities, and the English opium wars, and ... the list will be expanded.
I wonder how they will manage the island's economy after the annexation? It is stupid to destroy "to the core", what will be the Chinese version? Will it depend on the fierceness of the resistance?

[Andrey Korotkov]

Quote: Galleon

Taiwan is a kind of geopolitical marker for China. When the Chinese take Taiwan, they will be ready for everything else. And I would not advise anyone to say anything against it. Because then they will remember the Japanese atrocities, and the English opium wars, and ... the list will be expanded.
I wonder how they will manage the island's economy after the annexation? It is stupid to destroy "to the core", what will be the Chinese version? Will it depend on the fierceness of the resistance?

One country-two systems, example of Hong Kong （1997） Macau （1999）, all according to Deng Xiaoping

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Galleon

How will they manage the island's economy after the annexation? It is stupid to destroy "to the core", what will be the Chinese version? Will it depend on the fierceness of the resistance?

Well, it seems that neither Macau nor Hong Kong was destroyed and in the latter one of the world exchanges is still located ...

[xorek]

All these inclinations of Taiwan are ridiculous! If China wants, then Taiwan will crush Taiwan in a couple of days, but it makes no sense, they will take it economically anyway

[Bourgeois 1963]

Mister ferret why are you writing about any subject without having any idea about its essence. It's not smart, to put it mildly. Taiwan is one of the most successful countries in its region. Such a Switzerland in East Asia. I have been to Taiwan and China several times on business. In total, he lived in these countries for more than two years. In my opinion the island is perfectly functional as a country. However, like other countries, the United States had a hand in creating a modern look. Like Japan and South Korea, Taiwan is modern, rich in innovation, has a high standard of living and virtually zero crime. As for me, an ideal country to live in, especially from October to the third decade of April. Today, GDP per person in China is 5 times less than in Taiwan. What else is there to say? And also the Chinese do not like to fight. They consider it foolish to lose arms, legs and other important organs, and sometimes even life, for very little money that they pay soldiers. Instead of a stupid and vain war, they prefer to quietly trade or produce useful items for life, and enjoy this very life. In China, it is very honorable to be a merchant, or an industrialist, and the military are people who, for various reasons, could not occupy a high position as a merchant or a producer. So the war between China and Taiwan will begin most likely on the third day after the global fall in the dollar, or on the fourth after the eruption of Yellowstone. And about sweeping away someone or something in a couple of days, remember December 31, 1994.

[rotmistr60]

They have 1000 tanks, they want to buy another 108 from their "friend and assistant" USA and cram all this into an island with a difficult terrain. Isn't it easier to spend money on the construction of a UR (fortified area)? Well, these are their problems and let their head hurt, tk. China with an additional hundred tanks is unlikely to be scared.

[aszzz888]

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They have 1000 tanks, they want to buy another 108 from their "friend and assistant" USA and cram all this into an island with a difficult terrain. Isn't it easier to spend money on the construction of a UR (fortified area)? Well, these are their problems and let their head hurt, tk. China with an additional hundred tanks is unlikely to be scared.

So I figure it out. where are they going to go with these tanks? Or they will bet one on one , or bury. You can't lock them in the sea either!

[Pavel57]

The CM-11 Brave Tiger is an interesting hybrid.

[Pavel57]

Quote: Andrey Korotkov

One country-two systems, example of Hong Kong （1997） Macau （1999）, all according to Deng Xiaoping

In fact, the PRC is not a monolith at all and, in reality, is a confederation. With different histories, languages, traditions and regional elites. so it is not a problem for the PRC to add another autonomous region. But Taiwan is needed whole, not destroyed into trash.

[Reserve buildbat]

Correct solution. 6000 tons of scrap metal is 1-2 good ships.

[Compasure]

I found a manual on Abrams here))

[Uma palata]

I admire amers, although it is a little bit not quite Americans have turned such a chic scam.
It’s like training "on cats" in order to sell tanks where they are not needed - on a rocky island, with dense residential buildings in such a relief. Sell ​​old stuff, and thus carry out recycling from the iron waste, and get money from the natives. From the point of view of agitprop - just like in Ukraine, like they are ready to help you, protect you, yes - yes - don't even hesitate, just let them fight for American interests.
Nooo, guys, this is a centuries-old skill, even a thousand years old, it's clear whose. This glorious, skillful tribe of traders of snow in Alaska in the middle of winter will be able to sell the Aborigines, and sand to the Bedouins.
Heh. Wow, huh. That the Ukrainians and the Taiwanese aborigines are the same.
And they are doomed to slaughter by the Americans, too.
Why none of them whistled in their heads the question "Why? !! we are doing this ..."

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

Sorry to ask! And when the PRC is bombing Taiwan, then what to do with the tanks? And why the heck are they?