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In the Chinese Sohu: India did not receive the Russian Su-57 fighter, the American F-35 will not receive

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In the Chinese Sohu: India did not receive the Russian Su-57 fighter, the American F-35 will not receive

The Chinese press assesses the state of affairs in the Indian Air Force. The emphasis is on the fact that India has actually lost the chances of receiving a fifth-generation fighter in the coming years, having withdrawn from the FGFA joint program with Russia.


Sohu Chinese Edition:

Indian dreams of a fifth-generation fighter jet crash against reality.

An author in the Chinese media writes that India did not receive the Russian Su-57, and the American F-35 will not receive it. It was noted that the United States is pushing through a contract for the purchase of "special versions of F-16 fighters for India - F-21". But these aircraft cannot be classified as capable of renewing the aircraft fleet.

Sohu:

The actual combat effectiveness of the Indian Air Force is much worse than their figures on paper.

It is pointed out that when selling to India, the price of aircraft is growing in a strange way. An example is a deal with the French for the supply of Rafale fighters. Ultimately, each of the Rafales is costing the Indian budget more than $ 200 million. And in India itself, many are sure that it has not been without a corruption component.

From the material:

India was eyeing F-35 fighters, but the US doused the Indians with a bucket of cold water.

The Chinese author writes that the Americans are not ready to include New Delhi among the buyers of their newest fighters because of the contract with Russia for the supply of S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems.

The Chinese media points out that India "does not see any clear strategy in renewing its aircraft fleet."

It should be recalled that India is going to create its own 5th generation fighter. But at best, he will be able to enter the Indian Air Force only by 2032. This is an AMCA aircraft project.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 12 2021 07: 31
    +13
    The emphasis is on the fact that India has actually lost the chances of receiving a fifth-generation fighter in the coming years, having withdrawn from the FGFA joint program with Russia.
    Oh, if ... if India declares a real desire to buy an export version of the Su-57, then I am 110% sure that our country will do it ... for political and financial reasons
    1. Andrey Korotkov
      Andrey Korotkov April 12 2021 07: 39
      +4
      Quote: svp67
      The emphasis is on the fact that India has actually lost the chances of receiving a fifth-generation fighter in the coming years, having withdrawn from the FGFA joint program with Russia.
      Oh, if ... if India declares a real desire to buy an export version of the Su-57, then I am 110% sure that our country will do it ... for political and financial reasons

      They are cloudy, waiting for the fruit to ripen and fall into the hands (Su-57)?
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 12 2021 07: 42
        0
        Quote: Andrey Korotkov
        They are muddy

        Well, what are they. They need us as much as we need them
        Quote: Andrey Korotkov
        waiting for the fruit to ripen and fall into the hands

        And they have the right to do so
        1. Andrey Korotkov
          Andrey Korotkov April 12 2021 07: 59
          +9
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Andrey Korotkov
          They are muddy

          Well, what are they. They need us as much as we need them
          Quote: Andrey Korotkov
          waiting for the fruit to ripen and fall into the hands

          And they have the right to do so

          Stop participating in the development, possible production (partially), then let them wait in line-have the right to products with the index E
          1. Jacket in stock
            Jacket in stock April 12 2021 08: 39
            +1
            Quote: Andrey Korotkov
            are eligible for products with the E index

            And it is far from the fact that the car with the index will be worse.
            Rather the opposite, as has happened more than once.
            1. Andrey Korotkov
              Andrey Korotkov April 12 2021 08: 53
              0
              Quote: Jacket in stock
              Quote: Andrey Korotkov
              are eligible for products with the E index

              And it is far from the fact that the car with the index will be worse.
              Rather the opposite, as has happened more than once.

              It used to be yes - Iran, Iraq, Vietnam, etc. I do not argue about the performance characteristics of weapons hi concern about second-stage engines voiced yes
    2. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft April 12 2021 07: 52
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      if India declares its real desire to buy an export version of the Su-57, then I am 110% sure that our country will do it ... for political and financial reasons

      It is unlikely ... if the PRC is against ... and it is closer to the Russian Federation ... strategically ... and everyone remembers the scandal with the PLA leased by the Russian Federation to India ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 12 2021 07: 54
        +3
        Quote: Lara Croft
        if the PRC is against ... and it is closer to the Russian Federation ... strategically ...

        No, not closer ... And we need to be able to keep him at a distance
        Quote: Lara Croft
        and everyone remembers the scandal with the submarine leased by the Russian Federation to India ...

        Remind me, what is this?
        1. Andrey Korotkov
          Andrey Korotkov April 12 2021 08: 04
          0
          Quote: svp67
          Quote: Lara Croft
          if the PRC is against ... and it is closer to the Russian Federation ... strategically ...

          No, not closer ... And we need to be able to keep him at a distance
          Quote: Lara Croft
          and everyone remembers the scandal with the submarine leased by the Russian Federation to India ...

          Remind me, what is this?

          May 2013 fire type Varshavyanka is not a scandal?
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 12 2021 08: 10
            +2
            Quote: Andrey Korotkov
            May 2013 fire type Varshavyanka is not a scandal?

            So there they had a torpedo explosion on the submarine, this is cooler
            1. Andrey Korotkov
              Andrey Korotkov April 12 2021 08: 25
              +1
              Quote: svp67
              Quote: Andrey Korotkov
              May 2013 fire type Varshavyanka is not a scandal?

              So there they had a torpedo explosion on the submarine, this is cooler

              Any incidents, especially the death of people, can and should be investigated.
        2. Oden280
          Oden280 April 12 2021 08: 33
          +9
          Admission of Americans to Nerpa in 2017
          1. Andrey Korotkov
            Andrey Korotkov April 12 2021 09: 53
            +2
            Quote: Oden280
            Admission of Americans to Nerpa in 2017

            Out of my head, you are right - a precedent hi
        3. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft April 12 2021 12: 32
          +3
          [quote = svp67] and everyone remembers the scandal with the PLA leased by the Russian Federation to India .... [/ quote]
          Remind me, what is this? [/ Quote]
          Don't you read periodicals?
          [Quote] The Indian military allowed representatives of the US Navy on a Russian nuclear submarine, leased by India since 2011, Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten reports. This incident could significantly complicate the lease of another Russian submarine, as well as damage further military-technical cooperation between the two states. [/ Quote]
          Original news InoTV:
          https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2017-11-12/DWN-Indiya-pustila-amerikancev-na
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 12 2021 13: 10
            0
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Indian military allowed representatives of the US Navy to board a Russian nuclear submarine, leased by India since 2011

            So what??? Has our side made an official protest? Unilaterally tore up the lease? When you transfer your weapon to a third country, you need to be prepared that those who should not have to do so will familiarize themselves with it.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft April 12 2021 13: 55
              +1
              Quote: svp67
              So what???

              They asked to remind you, I reminded you (and what you apparently did not know) ...
              Has our side made an official protest? Unilaterally tore up the lease?

              The lease agreement ends in 2022, the second Russian nuclear submarine was not leased to the Indians ...
              Due to the fact that the lead nuclear submarine (a series of three submarines) entered the Indian Navy in 2016, neither the Russian Federation will lease the submarine to the Indians, nor the Indians will take our nuclear submarine for rent ...
              It is strange that now you are surprised that the Russian Federation will have nothing to do with India in terms of strategic arms projects ...
              The tradition of leasing nuclear submarines to the Indians goes back to Soviet times, the Indians included the head nuclear submarine of national development in their navies in 2016 and realizing that the Russian nuclear submarine was no longer needed, in 2017 they conduct an excursion to the American military on a rented Russian nuclear submarine ...
              Is it any wonder that the Russian Federation refused to transfer the technology of production to India of the engine for the T-90MS ...
              When you transfer your weapon to a third country, you need to be prepared that those who should not have to do so will familiarize themselves with it.

              Your logic is strange. Those. if you rent out your apartment to a "decent Russian family", then you should not be surprised that later you will see people of "suspicious nationality" living there afterwards ...
              It's good that your opinion was not taken into account by the Russian Federation when the second nuclear submarine was not transferred to India ... otherwise the Russian Federation would have transferred the second nuclear submarine ... to India ...
              1. svp67
                svp67 April 12 2021 14: 28
                +1
                Quote: Lara Croft
                They asked to remind you, I reminded you (and what you apparently did not know) ...

                He also knew what. Something that happened has changed the alignment of our relationship.
                Quote: Lara Croft
                The tradition of leasing nuclear submarines to Indians goes back to Soviet times

                An interesting word TRADITION ... This is not a tradition, but purely "business", not us, they are not obliged to do it or not
                Quote: Lara Croft
                then neither the Russian Federation will lease the submarine to the Indians, nor the Indians will take our nuclear submarine on lease ...

                Actually
                On March 7, 2019, a Russian-Indian agreement was signed in New Delhi on the transfer of another Project 971 nuclear-powered multipurpose submarine from the presence of the Russian Navy to India for a long-term lease. The cost of the agreement is estimated at $ 3 billion.The boat under the conditional Indian designation Chakra III will be transferred after repair and modernization and will enter the Indian fleet presumably in 2025 under the same name Chakra as two other nuclear submarines leased from the USSR and Russia. The lease term is not known exactly, but it will be at least 10 years.
                As far as I know now, only 2021 ...
                Quote: Lara Croft
                Is it any wonder that the Russian Federation refused to transfer the technology of production to India of the engine for the T-90MS ...

                Do you think that it is in the engine and if the transmission, which will also be supplied only from Russia, is the main secret of this tank?
                Quote: Lara Croft
                It's good that your opinion was not taken into account by the Russian Federation when the second nuclear submarine was not transferred to India ... otherwise the Russian Federation would have transferred the second nuclear submarine ... to India ...

                And Russia has not yet fulfilled the first part of its obligation, the repair and modernization of this submarine, so there is nothing to transfer yet. And I have not heard any news about the termination of this contract
                1. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft April 12 2021 14: 59
                  +2
                  Quote: svp67
                  He also knew what.

                  Apparently not, if you yourself wrote:
                  Remind me, what is this?

                  Something that happened has changed the alignment of our relationship.

                  Apparently yes, tk. The second nuclear submarine of the Indian Navy never received, and at the moment there is only one nuclear submarine of the Russian production K-152 "Nerpa" in the Indian Navy (in the Indian Navy it is called S71 INS "Chakra")
                  This is not a tradition, but purely "business", not us, not they are not obliged to do it or not

                  Give an example of the transfer of a country to another submarine?
                  On March 7, 2019, a Russian-Indian agreement was signed in New Delhi on the transfer of another Project 971 nuclear-powered multipurpose submarine from the presence of the Russian Navy to India for a long-term lease. As far as I know now, only 2021 ...

                  The fact is that lease agreements relate to real transactions and the moment of lease relations is not the signing of the Agreement (Lease Agreement), but the moment of transfer of the leased property - the submarine.
                  The Russian Federation did not transfer the second nuclear submarine, respectively, the lease relations between the Russian Federation and India where the subject of the lease is the second nuclear submarine of the same project.
                  Thus, the Russian Federation leased to the Indian Navy only one nuclear submarine, in total there are two nuclear submarines in the submarine forces of the Indian Navy - one Russian nuclear submarine S71 INS "Chakra" and one nuclear submarine of national Indian construction - S73 INS "Arihant".
                  I wrote about the first nuclear submarine, to which the Indians took the Americans on an excursion, and so on it the lease term ends in 2022.
                  The submarine acceptance certificate was signed on December 30, 2011 at the General Staff of the Russian Navy.

                  https://lenta.ru/news/2012/01/23/nerpa/
                  Respectively the lease term for the first nuclear submarine ends on December 30.12.2022, XNUMX.
                  Do you think that it is in the engine and if the transmission, which will also be supplied only from Russia, is the main secret of this tank?

                  I do not consider anything, I am guided by periodicals on this topic.
                  The Indian military department stressed that the new contract implies an increase in the share of Indian components in the production of tanks from 40 to 80%, but it is impossible to achieve complete localization of the production of T-90S in India. The main components of the tank, which make up 45% of its cost - the engine and transmission - will be supplied from Russia..

                  https://topwar.ru/165229-indija-vyplatit-rossii-12-mlrd-dollarov-za-peredachu-tehnologij-tanka-t-90s.html
                  You did not check in that article, although it is 2019.
                  And I have not heard any news about the termination of this contract

                  And why would you hear it if it ends at the end of 2022.
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 April 12 2021 16: 00
                    0
                    Quote: Lara Croft
                    Apparently not, if you yourself wrote:

                    I asked for this, as the Indians had a lot of incidents, and the conversation was about one or the other.
                    Quote: Lara Croft
                    Apparently yes, tk. the second nuclear submarine of the Indian Navy never received,

                    You have carefully read the news about the conclusion of the contract. Our boat will be modernized and prepared until 2025, for another FOUR YEARS
                    Quote: Lara Croft
                    The main components of the tank, which make up 45% of its cost - the engine and transmission - will be supplied from Russia.

                    Sorry, but this tank does not have an engine with its miraculous automatic transmission, the most expensive ones, which would be 45% ...
                    1. Lara Croft
                      Lara Croft April 12 2021 17: 07
                      0
                      Quote: svp67
                      You have carefully read the news about the conclusion of the contract. Our boat will be modernized and prepared until 2025, for another FOUR YEARS

                      Which confirms my arguments that the Indian Navy has only one of our nuclear submarines on lease, the lease term, which expires at the end of 2022, is no longer in the Indian Navy of Russian-made nuclear submarines ...
                      Sorry, but this tank does not have an engine with its miraculous automatic transmission, the most expensive ones, which would be 45% ...

                      I will not even argue with this, tk. I have no relation to tank building ...
                      I gave you a link to the article IN 2019, in it and argue with the uncle who wrote it ...
                      For all my reasons for this article, I have provided links to your comments, challenge them or agree ...
                      Since our dialogue has nothing to do with this article itself, then I have no desire to push back with you further and I have nothing to add to the above ...
                      P.S. Relations between India and the Russian Federation will increasingly diversify in favor of the West and to the detriment of the Russian Federation. In the conflict between New Delhi and Beijing, it is clearly seen that the Russian Federation will side with the PRC, therefore India is doomed to draw closer to the West to the detriment of Russian-Indian relations.
                      I do not see in the actions of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation the desire to become an arbiter between the PRC and India, such clumsy work of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation will only lead to an increased influence of the PRC on the Russian Federation and the loss of the Russian Federation of its already small positions in the APR ...
                      The APR countries will perceive us not as the main ally of the PRC, but as a junior partner of the PRC ...
                      Military-technical cooperation between Russia and Pakistan, the rapprochement between Russia and China, the disruption of joint Russian-Indian military projects - these three factors have a bad effect on bilateral relations between Moscow and New Delhi. But they are not decisive.

                      https://russiancouncil.ru/blogs/generation-shift/34172/
                      “India is facing a question to which it turned a blind eye - what to do with Russia? As MIT professor Vipin Narang astutely pointed out, a thorn in Indo-American ties is the fact that much of India's weapons continue to come from Russia, ”notes ThePrint.

                      https://riafan.ru/1331685-sokhranit-li-indiya-druzhbu-s-rossiei
              2. Barberry25
                Barberry25 April 12 2021 19: 52
                0
                laughing only later it seemed that everyone recognized that it was a duck to embroil ours and the Indians
          2. Andrey Korotkov
            Andrey Korotkov April 12 2021 14: 42
            0
            [quote = Lara Croft] [quote = svp67] and everyone remembers the scandal with the submarine leased by the Russian Federation to India .... [/ quote]
            Remind me, what is this? [/ Quote]
            Don't you read periodicals?
            [Quote] The Indian military allowed representatives of the US Navy on a Russian nuclear submarine, leased by India since 2011, Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten reports. This incident could significantly complicate the lease of another Russian submarine, as well as damage further military-technical cooperation between the two states. [/ Quote]
            Original news InoTV:
            https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2017-11-12/DWN-Indiya-pustila-amerikancev-na[/quote]
            [quote = Andrey Korotkov] [quote = Oden280] Admission of Americans to Nerpa in 2017 [/ quote]
            Out of my head, you are right - a precedent hi[/ Quote]
            I read my friend, of course I do not read your frets in terms of the time of perception of comments, I was reminded at 8:33, I answered at 9:53, you rode over me at 12:32 hi
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft April 12 2021 15: 06
              +1
              Quote: Andrey Korotkov
              I read my friend, of course I do not read your frets in terms of the time of perception of comments, I was reminded at 8:33, I answered at 9:53, you rode over me at 12:32 hi

              Yes, not always in the office or at home, you have to do the "development plan" ... outside of them ... now I will hardly be at home, only on weekends, so I will see the cons only 24 hours after writing the comment .. ...
              1. Andrey Korotkov
                Andrey Korotkov April 12 2021 15: 10
                +1
                Quote: Lara Croft
                Quote: Andrey Korotkov
                I read my friend, of course I do not read your frets in terms of the time of perception of comments, I was reminded at 8:33, I answered at 9:53, you rode over me at 12:32 hi

                Yes, not always in the office or at home, you have to do the "development plan" ... outside of them ... now I will hardly be at home, only on weekends, so I will see the cons only 24 hours after writing the comment .. ...

                I'm not offended, thanks for the clarification hi
    3. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino April 12 2021 08: 27
      +7
      The message is that they had a chance to get joint development based on the 57th with discounts and production distribution. But they danced such an opportunity.
      1. Cheshire
        Cheshire April 12 2021 09: 56
        +2
        Beautifully formulated good
        But they danced such an opportunity

        hi
        1. El Chuvachino
          El Chuvachino April 12 2021 15: 36
          +1
          Smile, gentlemen, smile! hi
    4. yehat2
      yehat2 April 12 2021 09: 44
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      that our country will do it

      she has already gone, because announced the export of the su-57 in the export version.
      so the Indians can start negotiating an order at any time.
      Another thing is that they hoped to get a full-fledged aircraft with minimal investment and a guarantee that it would be steeper than the F-35 and much cheaper and would still be fully produced in India. However, the miser pays twice.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 April 12 2021 07: 31
    0
    The emphasis is on the fact that India has actually lost the chances of receiving a fifth-generation fighter in the coming years, leaving the joint FGFA program with Russia.
    ... Dancing with a tambourine is such a thing, they are not always and not everywhere they are appropriate.
  3. TerraSandera
    TerraSandera April 12 2021 07: 53
    +3
    They will buy it anyway, and ours will sell it, but it’s already a finished product, and they will also beg for "make in India". (But you can't agree here) We decided to just get rid of unnecessary costs, both financial and reputational (sanctions or the possibility of buying Western technologies).
    1. Prisoner
      Prisoner April 12 2021 08: 12
      +2
      This is hardly possible in India. The Indians danced their chance. But our devices will probably agree to sell. And money, and again "a pebble in the boot" to our Chinese comrades.
  4. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 12 2021 08: 37
    +2
    To begin with, I would carry out a complete modernization of the Su30MKI .... and buy another 200 of them in a new form.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 12 2021 09: 09
      +2
      Russia did not allow modernization.
      It was planned that the Italian Leonardo will be the general contractor.
      Installs AFAR. And Israel will integrate avionics and weapons.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 12 2021 09: 30
        +4
        Was there only one project? The Russian Federation did not allow the integration of Euro-missiles into the avionics of the Su30MKI itself ... for this, some codes were needed from our airborne radar (imagine the opposite situation) ..... And, for sure, there are other proposals for modernization ...
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh April 12 2021 10: 58
          +3
          I have not heard of others. The Indians want AFAR, Russia does not have one for the Su-30.
          Such compact AFARs for fighters are produced by a few:
          Italy, Israel, Sweden.
          1. Wolf
            Wolf April 12 2021 13: 15
            0
            Didn't know what Italy would let, maybe a little detail about the Italian AFAR?
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek April 12 2021 13: 50
              +1
              Leonardo ... releases for Typhoons and M-346
              1. Wolf
                Wolf April 13 2021 18: 17
                0
                If the Italians are released for Typhoons, then they only look at the year of issue, they are probably not capable of fighting over 3 years. laughing
          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek April 12 2021 13: 46
            0
            If you put someone else's AFAR and missiles to it (as a complex), then where do we allow it or not ...
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 April 12 2021 19: 54
              0
              the terms of the contract are as follows ... you cannot make changes to the design without the consent of the manufacturer
      2. Barberry25
        Barberry25 April 12 2021 19: 53
        0
        well, because no manufacturer, being in his right mind, will do this
    2. CastroRuiz
      CastroRuiz April 12 2021 13: 22
      -1
      Da. S modernizaciey do urovnia SU-35.
  5. EvilLion
    EvilLion April 12 2021 08: 48
    +4
    They did not want to participate in the development, they will buy ready-made cars in the form in which we want to sell, and in the time frame in which we want to deliver.
  6. Esaul
    Esaul April 12 2021 09: 12
    +1
    Well, the Indians cannot make a decision right away. First, Zita and Gita, as well as each of their 1000 elephants, must dance. But in the end, I would have sold them the Su-57 in 5-6 years, only at a price 2 times more expensive than it was originally.
  7. xorek
    xorek April 12 2021 09: 49
    0
    Americans are not ready to include New Delhi in the number of buyers of their newest fighters due to a contract with Russia for the supply of S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems.

    Afraid of being tested for invisibility? Well, the Americans got cold feet though ..
  8. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 12 2021 10: 17
    +1
    Objectively speaking, the Chinese media are correct in their conclusions about India and the 5th generation aircraft. And only the Indian side is to blame for this, having refused to jointly develop with Russia. Probably they wanted to quickly and, as they thought, with less cost (?) And without unnecessary stress. And the swing to create your own aircraft with an aviation fleet from various countries is too futuristic. "What we have we do not keep, having lost we cry ..." (S. Yesenin).
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 12 2021 11: 03
      +4
      "And only the Indian side is to blame for this, having refused to jointly develop with Russia" ////
      ----
      Both sides have lost. India was demanded a billion dollars without explanation, during
      that it is invested. And the Indians have heard about Russian cuts no less,
      than your own cuts.
      As a result: Russia has only one Su-2021 combat aircraft in 57. India stayed
      without 5th generation aircraft.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 April 12 2021 11: 12
        0
        Indians have heard a lot about Russian cuts ...
        I am amazed. You seem to always try to objectively evaluate the information, but in this case, you have passed on wishful thinking. What cuts from the Russian side are we talking about? Probably there are facts? Well, the Indian side is clearly not worth talking about corruption and cuts.
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 April 12 2021 19: 56
          0
          rather, the fact is that the Indians wanted to get access to key technologies in the style of "you organize a production line for us."
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 12 2021 13: 53
        0
        The Indians are going to this state systematically and with penalties ... and they themselves create a motley fleet of aircraft, without unification with each other. Refusing normal upgrades of what flies, which is also an experience. There was an option, for example MiG21-93 ... MiG-23-93 (with Al-31) and MiG29go radar ... instead they buy and design incompatible and non-unified machines.
        1. Nestor Vlakhovski
          Nestor Vlakhovski April 12 2021 15: 52
          -1
          and they themselves create a motley fleet of aircraft, without unification with each other.
          Unification is not always a priority, there are also state interests.
          "Tejes" was created within the framework of import substitution, I see nothing wrong with the attempts of a huge country to gain experience in its own aircraft construction, the first pancake is lumpy, but the main thing is what will happen next.
          India was forced to buy Rafale airplanes in addition to the French technologies they were interested in, at the same time they would come in handy as a good replacement for the rather tired "mirages". French aircraft are already understood by both Indian pilots and technicians.
          Mig21bis is a morally and technically outdated machine, the best thing that can be done with them is to write it off.
          What else have we not mentioned?
          Su30 - they are the main aircraft of the Indian Air Force.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek April 12 2021 18: 09
            0
            Compare the approach of China .... Su27, Su30 and J10, with the same Al31 ..... and, slowly, replacing it with your turbojet engine. If you had your J10 in the Russian Federation, the modernization would have gone more fun in the likeness of the Su35S. And no dancing.
            1. Nestor Vlakhovski
              Nestor Vlakhovski April 12 2021 18: 29
              -1
              Of the really suitable machines, India will soon have Su-30 + Rafali + Tejes in trial operation.
              In China, in this regard, everything is much worse.
              The Q-5, Su-35, Su-30, Su-27 will remain in service for a long time, and there are three J-10, J-11, J-20 aircraft on the assembly line at once.
              The division of strike aircraft into heavy and light in the vast expanses of Russia makes no sense.
              Ideally, reduce the range of the aircraft fleet to a single su57, or at least Su30abvgd ...
  9. Tektor
    Tektor April 12 2021 10: 59
    +1
    The Indians said a lot of unpleasant words about the FGFA, and then said that they themselves would create a 5th generation fighter. And proudly left ... A tailwind in the humpbacked back.
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 April 12 2021 19: 58
      0
      tongue they also recently abandoned the su-30 and the mig-29 ... so they refused that in the end, without negotiations, they ordered an additional batch
  10. yfast
    yfast April 12 2021 11: 15
    +1
    Are the S-400s causing electromagnetic interference with the F-35?
  11. ROSS_51
    ROSS_51 April 12 2021 11: 45
    +1
    Because of the S-400, the states won't sell the F-35? but ready to put the F-16 .. Where is the logic?
    In general, good fellows, to supply both Pakistan and India with F-16 aircraft and let them butt among themselves. And to supply a single service center on the front line and serve in turn.
    1. Nestor Vlakhovski
      Nestor Vlakhovski April 12 2021 15: 20
      -1
      There is no logic here, the author throws out his fantasies.
      F-35s first go to the countries that took part in the development of the aircraft (at least financially), then they will begin to arrive in other NATO countries, and only then export to third countries is possible. That will not be very soon, since the queue for the planes has already been scheduled and a decade ahead.
  12. CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz April 12 2021 13: 12
    +1
    U IN est odin pravilniy i relativno bistriy put k povisheniu kachestva ikh VVS.
    Eto modernizacia ikh SU-30MKI do urovnia SU-35.
    I oni budut SU-57E pokupat, net u nikh drugogo vibora.
    1. Nestor Vlakhovski
      Nestor Vlakhovski April 12 2021 15: 27
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      There is always a choice, for example, they can invest in cooperation with Korean or Japanese "brothers" in the anti-Chinese alliance.
      The question of India's return to the Su57 program has not been raised for a very long time, and it is unlikely that it is even being discussed by the leadership.
      1. CastroRuiz
        CastroRuiz April 12 2021 15: 31
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        Dumayu vopros vozvrashchenia v programu dla IN uzhe zakrit. Poyezd uyekhal. Budut pokupat gotovie SU-57E ili mozhet bit kak Vi pishete kooperacia s KR ili JP.
        Vrag moego vraga, my drug. :)
  13. zwlad
    zwlad April 12 2021 16: 01
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    It is far from certain that India will not receive the SU-57. I think that if the issue of supplying S-400 to India is positively resolved, then the issue of the SU-57 can be resolved positively.
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 April 12 2021 19: 58
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      clarification ... on su-57E