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Combat capabilities expanded for Russian Su-34 bombers

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Russian front-line bombers Su-34 have significantly expanded their combat capabilities by installing new suspended universal reconnaissance containers. This will be reported RIA News citing a source in the aircraft industry.


According to the publication, we are talking about combat aircraft on which universal suspended containers are installed. How much the Su-34 received the new equipment, the source did not specify, stating "several planes."

According to him, three types of containers are installed on bombers: for optical-electronic reconnaissance, radar and radio engineering. The new equipment not only increases the aircraft's ability to detect targets, but also allows them to automatically transmit their coordinates to ground forces.

Earlier it was reported that as part of the modernization of the SU-34, they will receive suspended reconnaissance containers. In addition, the aircraft will significantly expand the range aviation means of destruction. In the future, it is planned to modernize the entire Su-34 fleet to the level of the Su-34M.

To date, according to open sources, more than 120 Su-34 are in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces.

Su-34 is a Russian multifunctional fighter-bomber, designed to attack aircraft by means of destruction at ground targets of the enemy in operational and tactical depth under conditions of strong opposition. It refers to the generation of 4 ++ and allows you to perform basic combat missions without escorting fighter jets. It uses long-range air-to-air and long-range air-to-air weapons with multi-channel applications. Equipped with a highly intelligent radar counter and defense system. Flight range - up to 4 000 km, maximum speed - up to 1 900 km / h, combat load - up to eight tons.
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. April 12 2021 07: 16
    +23
    A unique machine in terms of its efficiency, the designers managed to create an aircraft for war, not for parades.
    1. max702
      max702 April 12 2021 08: 23
      +8
      Yes, the troops praise him .. I wonder how he will look with the "product 30", the flight characteristics will clearly improve ..
      1. Orkraider
        Orkraider April 12 2021 12: 12
        0
        Quote: max702
        Yes, the troops praise him .. I wonder how he will look with the "product 30", the flight characteristics will clearly improve ..

        Greetings!
        It will look something like the "Tarantula" crepe laughing
        I'm much more interested in how they will be called.
        The Tarantula expansion unit is called pisyun

        1. max702
          max702 April 12 2021 12: 57
          +2
          "Product 30" is like a second stage engine on the SU-57 .. And what does your picture have to do with it? I meant that with the new engines the flight characteristics will dramatically improve .. In my understanding, "Product 30" should be put on the entire "Su-27 +" family for a large series low price one nomenclature of ZCh some types of services with much better performance ..
          1. Orkraider
            Orkraider April 12 2021 13: 35
            +3
            The article is about hanging, so I read your post in the topic: how the Drake will look with different hanging.
            Misunderstanding request

            And for product 30 - as far as I remember, they did not plan to put it on the 27/30/35 family.

            The residents of Ufa spoke about a unified single engine based on the AL-41f-1s with the use of some of the units from the previous engines. That is, this is the use of the technology "product 117"
            1. max702
              max702 April 12 2021 18: 36
              -1
              Quote: Orkraider
              Ufa residents talked about a unified single engine based on the AL-41f-1s with

              You can understand them easier to rivet what you know how to do .. But "30" is more promising, even if a couple of years later, if now we increase the capacity to equip the entire fleet of AL-41f-1s, then then it will be extremely difficult to replay, because what to do with them? Over the hillock? Well, it's a difficult question .. And so in a couple of three years, production can be organized, and the development of replacement can be carried out .. Today, the issue of replacing Sushki's engines is not urgent, so you need to wait a bit to get the best ..
              1. Barberry25
                Barberry25 April 12 2021 19: 10
                0
                they always dance from the wall - therefore, at the current stage of modernization, the 117th product is suitable, and there it will already be possible to put the modernized 30tku, but then ... because this is delaying the modernization period for 5 years ..
        2. Maikcg
          Maikcg April 12 2021 17: 46
          +1
          The MiG-31 with the Dagger cannot be surpassed. That's who the most prominent guy in the village is. good
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA April 12 2021 18: 02
            +1
            Quote: MaikCG
            The MiG-31 with the Dagger cannot be surpassed. That's who the most prominent guy in the village is. good

            Tu-22M3 with X-22: And I have three!
            1. VO3A
              VO3A April 14 2021 12: 49
              0
              And only 30 Tu-22M3M will remain, and they will all be written off by 2035 ... If there is something to modernize ... They will all fall apart - this is not a resource aircraft ...
          2. venik
            venik April 12 2021 19: 41
            0
            Quote: MaikCG
            The MiG-31 with the Dagger cannot be surpassed. That's who the most prominent guy in the village is. good

            ========
            And HOW they (his - the MiG-31K) can generally be "surpassed" or even compare? MiG-31K is sniper strategic!
            His task is to hit strategic objects!
            And they are already following him snipers tactical link"- namely:" Ducklings "! Who actually" finish off "everything that is left! .....
            1. Maikcg
              Maikcg April 12 2021 20: 49
              0
              You can compare it by the size of the torso pipette laughing
          3. VO3A
            VO3A April 14 2021 12: 46
            0
            In the Russian Aerospace Forces, there are only about 140 MIG-31 !!! This is all with and without daggers !!! It's a very meager amount for a huge country ...
        3. yehat2
          yehat2 April 13 2021 15: 45
          0
          why didn't this "expansion" block fit into the plane?
          Why is it hanging on the suspension?
    2. venik
      venik April 12 2021 19: 10
      +1
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      A unique machine in terms of its efficiency, the designers managed to create an aircraft for war, not for parades.

      ========
      Not just "for the war", but for "effective the war"......
      Sch-sch-sch-as "slippers" will fly from the "sofa experts" screaming: "we have a Su-30" (by the way - very classroom machine!), so why do we also need the Su-34 ??
      PS Damn! Maybe you really should start writing an article about the "ugly duckling"? what
      1. Couchexpert
        Couchexpert April 12 2021 19: 42
        0
        We ask, we ask!
        1. venik
          venik April 12 2021 19: 50
          +1
          Quote: CouchExpert
          We ask, we ask!

          ========
          OK OK! All the same, we'll have to "shake things up" and "tighten up a little!" .....
          Uh, and monster you, Andrey !!! ( am laughing ) !!!!

          PS I will not forgive! I will remember and I will take revenge! Scary and cruel!angry Consider: in anger, azm is terrifying! am angry

          lol drinks
      2. VO3A
        VO3A April 14 2021 12: 58
        0
        You are not nonsense !!! There are only about a hundred Su-30 and 120 Su-34 in Russia ?! What to change for what In general, there are very few new combat aircraft !!! A hundred more Su-35s and that's it ...
    3. Phoenix
      Phoenix April 13 2021 14: 26
      +1
      How is it unique against the background of the F-15E Strike Eagle, for example?
  2. svp67
    svp67 April 12 2021 07: 17
    +5
    The news is interesting, but this aircraft is still valuable in that it has high strike capabilities and it may make sense to turn it into a reconnaissance aircraft, but obviously not the entire fleet of these aircraft, but to combine its combat work with the actions of UAV scouts, here, what needs to be developed now.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 12 2021 07: 54
      +13
      Quote: svp67
      this aircraft is still valuable because it has high strike capabilities and turning it into a reconnaissance aircraft, it may make sense, but obviously not the entire fleet of these aircraft


      Nevertheless, let such containers be "in stocks" yes So , "just in case".
      Quote: Abdula
      The dagger is good for the one who has it and bad for the one who does not have it. at the right time.
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 12 2021 08: 01
        +1
        Quote: Insurgent
        Nevertheless, let such containers be "in storage" so, "just in case".

        Yes, of course, but it's clear that you don't need a lot of them.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 12 2021 08: 33
          +6
          Quote: svp67
          Yes, of course, but it's clear that you don't need a lot of them.

          Moreover, it is said that the container is universal.
          True, the meaning of universalization is not revealed No. what Either it is versatile as a system of various types of reconnaissance, or the container can be used on a number of aircraft of the Su family what ?
          1. bayard
            bayard April 13 2021 04: 59
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            Quote: Insurgent
            True, the meaning of universalization has not been disclosed Is it universal as a system of various types of reconnaissance, or can the container be used on a number of aircraft of the Su family?

            These are three different containers in approximately the same type of housing and mounting method. I suppose that in one regiment there will be several aircraft, each specializing in the use of a particular container. For you can pick it up for anyone, but to use it correctly - you need skill and good experience.
            And the plane is good and very promising for further modernization.
        2. Esaul
          Esaul April 12 2021 09: 15
          +1
          The more information comes from the battlefield, the better
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 12 2021 13: 15
            0
            Quote: Esaul
            The more information comes from the battlefield, the better

            No doubt, especially what is done on the other side
    2. figwam
      figwam April 12 2021 07: 59
      +5
      Quote: svp67
      and turn it into a reconnaissance, maybe it makes sense, but obviously not the whole park

      A container will be suspended from the plane, that's the whole transformation. On its predecessor, the Su-24, it was necessary to develop 3 modifications of the Su-24M - a front-line bomber, Su-24MR - reconnaissance aircraft, Su-24MP - jammer.
      1. svp67
        svp67 April 12 2021 08: 01
        -7
        Quote: figvam
        A container is suspended from the plane, that's the whole transformation.

        Is it necessary to train the crew to operate with it, use tactics, or will it work?
        1. figwam
          figwam April 12 2021 08: 04
          +2
          Quote: svp67
          And the crew to teach actions with him,

          What does the crew have to do with it, I'm telling you about the hardware, now the plane has become universal for all tasks.
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 12 2021 08: 07
            -6
            Quote: figvam
            What does the crew have to do with it, I'm telling you about the hardware, now the plane has become universal for all tasks.

            And I mean that this is certainly excellent, but still there will be a narrow specialization and all aircraft will not be equipped with such containers
        2. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 12 2021 08: 37
          +1
          Quote: svp67

          Is it necessary to train the crew to operate with it, use tactics, or will it work?

          With modern electronics, all crew actions can be reduced to actions with one button (toggle switch).

          The rest is a matter of technique.
          1. svp67
            svp67 April 12 2021 10: 40
            -1
            Quote: Insurgent
            With modern electronics, all crew actions can be reduced to actions with one button (toggle switch).

            The deepest delusion. The crew must be trained to operate such equipment, know the flight parameters, where and how to use it, in order to obtain maximum results.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent April 12 2021 11: 13
              -1
              Quote: svp67

              The deepest delusion. The crew must be trained to operate such equipment, know the flight parameters, where and how to use it, in order to obtain maximum results.

              Not to a greater extent than working with film and photo equipment.
              In any case, any deep specialization that goes beyond the general scope of training a combat pilot will not be required.
              1. svp67
                svp67 April 12 2021 11: 27
                +2
                Quote: Insurgent
                Not to a greater extent than working with film and photo equipment.

                You are far from this ... When working with this equipment, it was required to very strictly maintain the course and flight altitude, very much. According to the assignment, it was required to turn on and off the equipment clearly in time.
                Quote: Insurgent
                In any case, any deep specialization that goes beyond the general scope of training a combat pilot will not be required.

                We chose from all those who best withstood the flight regimes, then, I think, there will be restrictions even now.
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent April 12 2021 11: 50
                  0
                  Quote: svp67
                  We chose from all those who best withstood the flight regimes, then, I think, there will be restrictions even now.

                  Well-oo-oo ... with such a campaign, you will generally reduce the level of training of Russian pilots to zero. To the level of the mythological take-off and landing.
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 April 12 2021 11: 55
                    0
                    Quote: Insurgent
                    Well-oo-oo ... with such a campaign, you will generally reduce the level of training of Russian pilots to zero.

                    I'm not, it's just that each pilot has his own way of flying and someone is better suited for air combat, someone for ground attacks, someone for reconnaissance. And the reconnaissance flight has always been trusted by the best and the bravest. The specificity of their work is such that it is necessary to get on the rampage and into the very hell.
                    1. Insurgent
                      Insurgent April 12 2021 12: 01
                      0
                      Quote: svp67
                      each pilot has his own flying style and someone is better suited for air combat, someone for attack, someone for reconnaissance

                      You know what what ... Read the memoirs of Pokryshkin, Kozhedub (fighter pilots), or Nedbailo, Drachenko (attack aircraft) ...

                      No, no, but there is information about how combat pilots were entrusted with reconnaissance.
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 April 12 2021 12: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        You know what

                        You know, I read a lot of the memoirs of our pilots of that war, and the list of readings can fit on several pages, and it contains not only fighters and attack aircraft, but also bombers, the same twice GSS Rakov.
                        But what you want to say now, I don’t understand. Do you want to say that everyone was sent to intelligence? No, it’s not like that. They took the best pilots, since the flight often had to be made in the most difficult weather conditions and with a high probability of being shot down, since the enemy made great efforts to prevent and release them from the reconnaissance area.
                        If we have already moved on to such materials, then it is probably worth recalling the film "Chronicle of a Dive Bomber". Although they flew on "pawns", the whole film was used for reconnaissance ... And in "Only" old men go to battle ", only Maestro flew there when he was shot down ...
                      2. Insurgent
                        Insurgent April 12 2021 12: 20
                        +2
                        Quote: svp67
                        Do you want to say that everyone was sent to intelligence?

                        No, I want you to understand that it is not the gods who burn pots.
                      3. svp67
                        svp67 April 12 2021 12: 21
                        0
                        Quote: Insurgent
                        No, I want you to understand that it is not the gods who burn pots.

                        Of course not, but the Gods break them easily ... without looking.
                  2. Alexey RA
                    Alexey RA April 12 2021 18: 08
                    0
                    Quote: Insurgent
                    No, no, but there is information about how combat pilots were entrusted with reconnaissance.

                    Better than Rakov. It was just about a combat pilot who was entrusted with reconnaissance - and he regularly landed without fuel. Because the range was counted without a margin for avoiding enemy fighters.
                    In general, before the war in the Red Army, air reconnaissance was considered a sump for losers - they wrote off unfit fighters and bombers there. And after 22.06, the command reaped the benefits - when aviation intelligence saw tanks where they were not, and did not see where they were. The failure of our counterattack in the KOVO strip is largely the merit of aerial reconnaissance, which issued incorrect data on the detection of German tanks.
          2. sivuch
            sivuch April 12 2021 13: 39
            0
            They will just paste another page into the Airplane Flight Manual
  • Tusv
    Tusv April 12 2021 08: 09
    +3
    Here we are talking about hanging containers. That is, they hung it up, so is the functionality. In fact, the letter r has been added to those with f / b / a
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon April 12 2021 10: 36
    +3
    Quote: svp67
    turning it into a reconnaissance aircraft may make sense, but obviously not the entire fleet of these aircraft

    So after all "transformation" is not final and irrevocable. The plane remains exactly the same, with all its inherent capabilities. All transformations are reduced to installation and removal suspended equipment. This method has been used since time immemorial. It is necessary to make reconnaissance - they hung up the AFA, if you need to go into battle - they took it off.
  • VO3A
    VO3A April 12 2021 13: 07
    0
    What is the whole park? 120 planes for the whole of Russia? In 10 years, all Su-24Ms will be written off according to the resource!
    Previously, in every air army, which was in every military district, there were 2 Su-24 divisions! This is significantly more aircraft of this type than 120 units. Taking into account the replacement of the Su-24M, these aircraft should be at least 300, and better 500 ...
    1. Maikcg
      Maikcg April 12 2021 17: 50
      -3
      Better than 1000. And 10000 Armat. And the Death Star instead of ROS.
    2. lukewarm
      lukewarm April 13 2021 16: 17
      0
      Quote: VO3A
      Taking into account the replacement of the Su-24M, these aircraft should be at least 300, and better than 500 ...

      IMHO, we also have a shortage of pilots (here is the Serdyukov pogrom and the outflow to civil aviation upon the expiration of the contract). So for these 500 ducklings it is still necessary to recruit and train pilots somewhere.
      1. VO3A
        VO3A April 14 2021 12: 31
        0
        Where we allegedly occupy the 2nd place in the world in terms of aircraft, we have 274 Su-24Ms !!!
        https://aviation21.ru/sostav-boevogo-aviaparka-vks-rossii-na-2020-god/
        Although there are actually a little more than a hundred of them ?!
        https://militaryarms.ru/armii-mira/vvs-rossii/
        There are no problems with the pilots, there are problems with the lack of new aircraft after the Su-24M was decommissioned ... and the pilots were fired from them ...
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 April 12 2021 19: 11
    0
    everyone should be able to work with this container, because there is no way without it)
  • lukewarm
    lukewarm April 13 2021 16: 14
    0
    Quote: svp67
    turning it into a reconnaissance one, it may make sense, but obviously not the whole park

    Apparently, that's why they made the complex suspended?
  • VO3A
    VO3A April 14 2021 13: 03
    0
    The main task of the Su-34, like that of the Su-24M, is a carrier of nuclear weapons for destroying important targets in the depths of the front ... There is nothing unique about it ... The whole uniqueness is that it can go back, but the Su -24M flies only in one direction, like a kamikaze - it does not have enough radius for a "front-line bomber" ... Remember and do not repeat nonsense ...
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 12 2021 07: 17
    0
    And what if these containers are to be put on the Su30-SM?
    1. sivuch
      sivuch April 12 2021 08: 54
      -4
      And what if these containers are to be put on the Su30-SM?
      Either the container will fall off or the Su-30 will not take off.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 14 2021 08: 28
        0
        How Growlers fly, F15, F16 ....... Rafali. I do not know.
        1. sivuch
          sivuch April 14 2021 12: 17
          0
          Yes, I have already written many times that the Su-27 \ 30 suspension is designed for a maximum of 1700 kg. And it is impossible to just take them and strengthen them. This is not only a design change and an increase in weight, but also a new test cycle. It was no coincidence that the bodyag with the Brahmos lasted about 15 years. There, by the way, besides the mass, there were also problems with aerodynamics.
    2. abc_alex
      abc_alex April 14 2021 02: 24
      +1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      And what if these containers are to be put on the Su30-SM?

      The Su-34 has a reinforced glider in the center section area. The Su-30 does not. Those who minus sivuch would first read something clever about cars.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 19 2021 10: 53
        0
        those. is it going to be a dedicated growler type aircraft?
        1. abc_alex
          abc_alex April 20 2021 14: 10
          0
          Quote: Zaurbek
          those. is it going to be a dedicated growler type aircraft?

          As I understand it, no. Have ordinary During the development of the Su-34, the airframe was strengthened. It is very different from the Su-27 airframe on the basis of which it was created.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek April 20 2021 14: 38
            0
            I think the result for the Su34 will be exactly the same: specialized vehicles for PP
            1. abc_alex
              abc_alex April 21 2021 00: 11
              0
              Quote: Zaurbek
              I think the result for the Su34 will be exactly the same: specialized vehicles for PP

              Unlikely. Sukhoi has nothing to replace the Su-24 and Su-25. And, for example, the fleet has a need for missile-carrying aircraft. Coma Su-34 has nothing.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek April 21 2021 08: 45
                0
                The nearest unification of Su30SM with Su35S will occupy this niche. And no one will replace the Su25. As well as the A-10. UAVs + building up the capabilities of the Mi28 and tactical fighters.
                1. abc_alex
                  abc_alex April 26 2021 01: 31
                  0
                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  The nearest unification of Su30SM with Su35S will occupy this niche. And no one will replace the Su25.

                  Dear, well, how many times have I told you: the Su-34's airframe has been changed to be able to mount heavy weapons. The power set is different there. And the chassis is different. Su-30 and Su-35 are completely different aircraft, they are simply not designed for heavy anti-ship missiles.
                  Well, the Su-25 still needs to be changed for something, it doesn't fly forever ...
                  1. Zaurbek
                    Zaurbek April 26 2021 08: 39
                    0
                    For heavy anti-ship missiles there is Tu22M3M ...... Everything else fits on all Su Onyx and Bramoss in the Russian Federation do not have aviation versions. Su34 is not suitable for Zircon ...
                    Stormtroopers are unlikely to be reissued both here and in the United States. Their time is running out.
                    1. abc_alex
                      abc_alex April 26 2021 14: 37
                      0
                      Quote: Zaurbek
                      For heavy anti-ship missiles there is Tu22M3M ...... Everything else fits on all Su Onyx and Bramoss in the Russian Federation do not have aviation versions. Su34 is not suitable for Zircon ...
                      Stormtroopers are unlikely to be reissued both here and in the United States. Their time is running out.

                      There is. But the Tu-22M3 is not being produced. And engines for it are not produced. We need machines with a production perspective. The Su-34, in theory, can carry two Onyx-class missiles. This is the equivalent of the normal load of the Tu-22M.
                      All other Su is placed underneath one heavy RCC. For the modernized for the fleet Su-34 - two. And we are not talking about a special aviation version, as the Indians hang under the Su-30 MKI.
                      The S-34 regiment is 44 missiles in a salvo, the equivalent of the Tu-22M3 regiment. And in terms of the number and power of the salvo.

                      So with us, Onyx is adapted for an airplane only in theory. And I'm afraid, until the project of the naval Su-34 moves, neither Zircon nor Onyx will be modified for an aircraft.
                      1. Zaurbek
                        Zaurbek April 26 2021 17: 37
                        0
                        If you wanted to .... hung up. but also under Su30 the Indians hang Brahmos.


                        And on the Tu22 they put NK32 ... and in the cockpit they unify it with the Tu160.
                      2. abc_alex
                        abc_alex April 27 2021 02: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Zaurbek
                        If you wanted to .... hung up. but also under Su30 the Indians hang Brahmos.
                        And on the Tu22 they put NK32 ... and in the cockpit they unify it with the Tu160.

                        With two hands for. BUT!
                        First, this is just a project. So far, there is not a single such side, if I am wrong, correct me.
                        Secondly, the Tu-22M3 is a long arm. They are expensive and multifunctional. They are not only missile carriers, but also bomb carriers. In which case they will be snapped up. It is naive to expect that regiments of naval missile-carrying aviation will be created on their basis.
                        But the Su-34FM may well become a naval missile carrier and supplement the Tu-22M3 at medium and short distances. Thus, the fleet will be able to build up fire impact as the enemy approaches our shores. Tu-22M3, then Tu-22M3 together with Su-34FM, then Tu-22M3, Su-34FM and Su-30 or Su-35.

                        The Hindus do not hang exactly that Brahmos. An aircraft missile is half a ton lighter. In addition, it has a shorter range - 300 km. We are talking about missiles with such a range that they will allow an order to be attacked from outside the air defense / missile defense zone or with a short entry into it. For example, about 800 km ranges, right? That is, about heavy anti-ship missiles.
  • lucul
    lucul April 12 2021 07: 17
    -6
    According to him, three types of containers are installed on bombers: for optical-electronic reconnaissance, radar and radio engineering. The new equipment not only increases the aircraft's ability to detect targets, but also allows them to automatically transmit their coordinates to ground forces.

    Here is the AWACS plane for our Kuznetsov.
    Well, or hang the same containers on the MiG-29K.
    1. novel66
      novel66 April 12 2021 08: 05
      +3
      yes, lengthen the deck twice, and I don't want to fly ...
      1. sivuch
        sivuch April 12 2021 08: 59
        +3
        I really don't want to. Chukha tons for 3 - length of about 7-8 meters and diameter 70-80 cm
  • TerraSandera
    TerraSandera April 12 2021 07: 19
    +4
    More birds, beautiful and different
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 12 2021 07: 34
    0
    Expanding the capabilities of combat equipment is logical and justified.
  • anclevalico
    anclevalico April 12 2021 07: 47
    .
    The case is small, to train the crews to use it all. And then, the tank armament also has ammunition "allowing to hit targets at a distance of 5 km", but no one knows how to use it.
  • Nikolay R-PM
    Nikolay R-PM April 12 2021 08: 05
    0
    Apparently, after all, the issue of replacing the front-line reconnaissance aircraft was decided in favor of the complex based on the Su-34. the Soviet concept of developing front-line reconnaissance aircraft based on front-line bombers has advantages in unifying and simplifying logistics. and 24-ki M and MR were previously jointly based. but nevertheless, in my opinion, it will not do without specific modifications to the reconnaissance complex, and at the airfield it will not be possible to convert the bomber into a reconnaissance and vice versa by replacing the suspensions
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock April 12 2021 08: 21
    -4
    More containers, nice and different ...

    Confused by a couple of points.
    1- as already mentioned here, why only SU34?
    Why, for example, not SU35 or SU30? They did not come out in height, or are they not worthy of something else?
    2- why are different containers needed for radar and electronic reconnaissance?
    Do we have such large microcircuits that they don't fit in one container?

    And yes, in fact, screw your wings and engine to such a container, here's a ready-made UAV, why drive an airplane with a man. And let it fly even for days, even for weeks.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 12 2021 08: 47
      -2
      So they do it ... just, while there is nothing to cling to.
    2. sivuch
      sivuch April 12 2021 09: 04
      +5
      The above has already been answered. For the Su-35, especially the Su-30, this is too heavy and bulky product.
      For radar, antenna size has always mattered. You can do it in one bottle, but the x-ki will sag.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek April 12 2021 09: 31
        -3
        Is the Su30 heavier than the Su34 with an armored cabin?
        1. DMi
          DMi April 12 2021 13: 12
          +1
          It is possible to attach 34 tons to the SU 3 suspension. 30 tons to the SU 1,5 suspension, and the planes of the two aircraft are designed for such point loads. So the SU 30 cannot fly with bulky heavy loads simply by its design.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek April 12 2021 13: 48
            0
            And how the Su30MKI flies with the Onyx
            1. sivuch
              sivuch April 12 2021 14: 22
              +1
              And how the Su30MKI flies with the Onyx
              No way. MKI fly with Brahmos, and not all, but only 40 specially modified machines.
              But, judging by the size, the Owl is even heavier.
            2. DMi
              DMi April 12 2021 14: 51
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              And "Onyx" "this long and tediously finalized with a file, at least somehow hang it under the SU 30. And the SU 30, too, by the way, only passed a special modification is suitable. And the Russian Federation ALREADY has a serial SU 34 for such purposes
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek April 12 2021 18: 16
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                Has anyone seen him with Onyx? Su34 is an atavism.
                1. DMi
                  DMi April 12 2021 18: 40
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                  )) But I've met the opinion of pilots on the network that this is generally the best military aircraft in modern videoconferencing. Well, except for SU 57. Nobody has ever flown it except for testers. And of those that really serve SU34 - a masterpiece. So they said).
                2. sivuch
                  sivuch April 12 2021 18: 45
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                  Thank you, your feedback is very valuable to us. This is just an example of how the Su-34 is superior to the universal vehicles of the same family. Atavism can carry Owls, but the 30th and 35th cannot.
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            4. abc_alex
              abc_alex April 14 2021 02: 26
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              Quote: Zaurbek
              And how the Su30MKI flies with the Onyx

              One rocket between the nacelles.
        2. abc_alex
          abc_alex April 14 2021 02: 30
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          Quote: Zaurbek
          Is the Su30 heavier than the Su34 with an armored cabin?

          How many times to repeat? The Su-34 has specially changed the center section and the power set of the wing so that it can withstand the suspension under the planes, on the pylon closest to the fuselage, heavy ammunition. The Su-30 has nothing of the kind. A heavy container will simply destroy its wing in flight.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek April 14 2021 08: 27
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            Containers are usually 500kg each ..... for Su30 they hold up to 1500kg. Is it a transformer or a container?
            1. sivuch
              sivuch April 14 2021 12: 27
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              Containers are usually 500kg each.
              In this case, it is unusual. This one is much bigger and heavier. Kirill Ryabov wrote 5 years ago - The sample of a universal reconnaissance container captured by photographers in Kubinka was a product of relatively large dimensions: about 5-5,5 m in length and up to 1 m in diameter. ... That is, the length is less, but the diameter (a product in a complex section, if taken as a circle) is, on the contrary, larger. Anyway 2.5-3 tons
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 12 2021 10: 43
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      Quote: Jacket in stock
      And yes, in fact, screw your wings and engine to such a container, here's a ready-made UAV,

      It remains to be seen how much that container weighs. It may be capable of lifting it no less than the Su-34.
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock April 12 2021 11: 08
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        Quote: Piramidon
        it is not known how much that container weighs

        And what's the difference?
        If some plane lifts it, and plus oneself, a pilot and a bunch of other things to it, then a drone in which there is none of this will obviously be smaller and lighter.
        And if it is still big and heavy, then you need to fasten bigger wings to it and the engine is more powerful.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon April 12 2021 11: 45
          +1
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          Quote: Piramidon
          it is not known how much that container weighs

          And what's the difference?
          If some plane lifts it, and plus oneself, a pilot and a bunch of other things to it, then a drone in which there is none of this will obviously be smaller and lighter.
          And if it is still big and heavy, then you need to fasten bigger wings to it and the engine is more powerful.

          What a pointless conversation. request Have we created a lot of heavy-duty drones? Or do you propose to drop everything and create a drone for this container? It's all simple for you - to pin the wings and go, like plywood over Paris. This will take another 5 years, and the Su-34 is already available.
          1. Jacket in stock
            Jacket in stock April 12 2021 11: 56
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            Quote: Piramidon
            Why have we created heavy-duty drones? Or do you propose to drop everything and create a drone for this container?

            I'm just expressing bewilderment.
            In a drone, the main thing is not the wings, but the engine and filling. The engine, they write, is already there, and not one. And the filling is in the form of a container. And any schoolchild from the circle of aircraft modelers can stick wings to it.
      2. Orkraider
        Orkraider April 12 2021 12: 18
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        Quote: Piramidon
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        And yes, in fact, screw your wings and engine to such a container, here's a ready-made UAV,

        It remains to be seen how much that container weighs. It may be capable of lifting it no less than the Su-34.


        Greetings!
        At least the Su-57 has been spotted with it. Perhaps later and on 30/35 we will see him.

        T-220 on Su-57
        1. sivuch
          sivuch April 12 2021 13: 45
          +1
          https://bmpd.livejournal.com/1309550.html
          Su-34 with the Sych reconnaissance container
          completely different weight and dimensions
          1. Orkraider
            Orkraider April 12 2021 14: 58
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            I specially signed that the photo is t-220.
            Indeed, even in the article you cited, it is indicated that there will be several types of containers. And as you can imagine, they will have different sizes and appearance.

            As can be assumed, the part of the Su-34 equipped with the Sych will be responsible, in addition to striking, for the search for targets. In turn, aircraft equipped with T220s will hold the target, facilitating the guidance of weapons launched from standard aircraft
            1. sivuch
              sivuch April 12 2021 16: 07
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              Yes, so far it is assumed that there are 3 probes - with radar, RTR and optocouplers. But it is doubtful that the difference between the first and third options will be as much as 10 times. Moreover, the T220 was initially positioned as universal in terms of media. In addition, the article says that all 3 options are manufactured by JSC PO Strela, and T220 - by JSC NPK SPP
              1. Orkraider
                Orkraider April 12 2021 19: 34
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                all 3 options are manufactured by JSC PO Strela, and T220 by JSC NPK SPP

                So I do not argue. drinks
                I wrote that the T-220 was spotted on the Su-57 and earlier, in the form of mock-ups, was seen on the Su-30cm and Su-35. Therefore, perhaps it is him that we will soon see on 30/34/35
        2. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek April 12 2021 13: 49
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          Maybe it's not him. They wrote that the container for monitoring launches ... when testing missiles.
        3. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock April 12 2021 14: 51
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          Quote: Orkraider
          , Su-57 was spotted with it. Perhaps later and on 30/35 we will see him.

          Hardly SU57 with him.
          For this is nonsense.
          The suspended container nullifies the idea of ​​low emissivity, and the plane itself is stuffed so that it should not be of any use to it.
          1. Orkraider
            Orkraider April 12 2021 15: 23
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            Delirium or not delirium, but there are a lot of photos confirming what was written. For what - we can only guess.


            Here is a photo from the VO, from the article "Photos of the Su-57 with an unknown suspended container appeared":
      3. sivuch
        sivuch April 12 2021 13: 37
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        diameter 70-80 cm, length about 7-8 meters. If the packing density corresponds to known samples, then the weight is about 2.5-3 tons
  • AML
    AML April 12 2021 08: 35
    +5
    Quote: Jacket in stock


    Confused by a couple of points.
    2- why are different containers needed for radar and electronic reconnaissance?
    Do we have such large microcircuits that they don't fit in one container?


    Because radio engineering works in a wider range. This means that other antennas are needed, perhaps even several, and other receivers. Not, of course, you can work for one, but with such success you can use a whip antenna instead of a slotted antenna.
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 April 12 2021 11: 27
    +4
    Russian front-line bombers Su-34 have significantly expanded their combat capabilities ...
    But as in the song - "... Do you remember how it all began ..." By the way, today is the 70th anniversary
    So, April 12 went down in history as the "Black" Thursday of the US aviation. On this day, the Americans carried out a massive raid on bridges over the Yalu River in the Wujiu region. They were to be destroyed by 48 B-29 "Superfortress" bombers, accompanied by 76 cover fighters .... As a result, 12 B-29 bombers and four F-84 fighters were destroyed, the Americans were put to flight, and not a single bomb fell on Namsi airfield that day. Soviet pilots missed one MiG.
    So happy ANNIVERSARY !!!!
  • CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz April 12 2021 11: 46
    -1
    SU-34FN / SU-32 eto prekrasnoe reshenie MRA.
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor April 12 2021 13: 24
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    Both strong and handsome, one of those planes that are admired.
  • lazy
    lazy April 12 2021 13: 43
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    su-24mr on the sly to the scrap?
  • yehat2
    yehat2 April 13 2021 15: 42
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    somewhere I saw an American cartoon, where on a su-34 they put four in 1 row