Lunar spacesuit "Eagle"

The famous step of Neil Armstrong was not only a truly great step for all mankind, but also put an end to the lunar race with the Soviet Union, from which the United States emerged as unconditional victors.

Nevertheless, in the Soviet Union, stormy and largely effective work was in full swing in preparation for the landing on the moon. For this purpose, at the research and production enterprise "Zvezda", two fundamentally different spacesuits were developed at once: soft and semi-rigid types.

The semi-rigid spacesuit ("Krechet") was based on an aluminum cuirass combined with a pressure helmet. While the legs and sleeves were made of soft materials, there were metal hinges at the folds.

The soft spacesuit ("Eagle") was deprived of its metal cuirass. Spacesuits of this type at that time were considered "classic", and their manufacture was perfected not only in the USSR, but also in the USA.

Spacesuit of soft type "Eagle"

SC "Orel" was developed according to the classic for that time scheme of soft spacesuits with a removable back pack, which housed a life support system called "Baikal". The Orel SC was based on the Yastreb spacewalk suit with improved characteristics, including higher mobility of the lower limbs and with additional equipment required during the landing on the moon.

The spacesuit had: a heat-protective shell, a removable pressure helmet, a ventilating suit, and a little later - a water-cooled suit.

The outer shell of the spacesuit consisted of two layers: an outer power one made of nylon and an inner sealed one made of rubberized fabric.

In the area of ​​the abdomen and chest there was a gap through which the spacesuit was put on. Further, the opening was sealed and covered with an outer shell using lacing.

Joint mobility was provided by bearings.

As a result of the design work, the Orel SC acquired its finished form and became a full-fledged lightweight alternative to the semi-rigid Krechet SC. The weight of the SC "Eagle" was 26 kg, and the backpack with a life support system was 60 kg.

The Eagle soft-type spacesuit has become a worthy product with all the advantages and disadvantages of a soft design.

SK "Oryol" had both its supporters and opponents. It was like a winter rubber fan arguing with and without spikes.

Although the "Eagle" was more compact and lighter, but under excessive pressure it nevertheless swelled up, acquiring puffy shapes. It was difficult to install the necessary controls on it. And the life support system was in a separate knapsack and was connected to the UK by external communications.

The soft-type spacesuit was more difficult to put on, seal and adjust to the height of a person.

Against the background of all this, the semi-rigid design of the SC looked much more attractive.

Despite the fact that in the end, Krechet-3 was chosen as the main lunar spacesuit for the L-94 program, it was planned to use the Eagle as part of the LK-700 alternative lunar program.

Comments

[Aviator_]

An interesting topic, but somehow too short. The life support systems of these suits were identical, or were they fundamentally different?

[Andrey Korotkov]

Quote: Aviator_

An interesting topic, but somehow too short. The life support systems of these suits were identical, or were they fundamentally different?

The second article of the author, interesting but very briefly I agree with you

[Aleks tv]

The second article of the author, interesting but very briefly I agree with you

Hello Andrey.

Why second article?
Thirteen articles on VO, about space suits and other space buns.

Many thanks to the author for interesting information.
I read with pleasure.

Alex.

[Alien From]

I join! Great article cycle! We are waiting for the continuation, thanks to the author

[Andrey Korotkov]

Quote: Aleks tv

The second article of the author, interesting but very briefly I agree with you

Hello Andrey.

Why second article?
Thirteen articles on VO, about space suits and other space buns.

Many thanks to the author for the interesting information.
I read with pleasure.

Alex.

I read the majority, but it seems the authors are different, I could be wrong

[Aleks tv]

... I read the majority, but it seems the authors are different, I could be wrong

No problem.
Click on Author at the end of the article.
In the PM on the left-bottom, there is a list of his publications.

[Andrey Korotkov]

Thank you, Alexey, I will clarify

[Akuzenka]

The second article of the author, interesting but very briefly I agree with you

Brevity is the sister of paper scarcity, you get talented here. (V. Lanzberg)

[Bshkaus]

An interesting topic, but somehow too short. The life support systems of these suits were identical, or were they fundamentally different?

1-Briefly because There is very little information on the Eagle, and I do not yet know of a single surviving specimen. Several samples were collected, but apparently they did not pass state tests. focused on "Gyrfalcon". The only thing that I found on Orel was just one protocol for assessing the mobility of the ankle joint on slopes. But the protocol was also very meager in description, only dry numbers of the angles of the foot. Maybe, of course, where it is lying around, but no one knows.
2-coolant was in both SC of a closed closed type, i.e. the atmosphere was chasing in a circle through CO absorbers, and maintained the same parameters, but was executed in completely different ways. In Orel - Baikal, in Krechet - Seliger. In Oryol like a backpack, in Gyrfalcon in the hatch door In fact, the Eagle was made on the basis of the Moon Gyrfalcon. Both SCs used a water-cooled suit. The control panel for the Eagle was on the handle (joystick), for the Krechet on the breastplate

[Aviator_]

Thank you, everything is clear. I look forward to further publications.

[mr.ZinGer]

Brevity is the sister of talent, but not in this case.
When will there be a sequel ?!

[Bshkaus]

Brevity is the sister of talent, but not in this case.
When will there be a sequel ?!

Next week I will publish about the lunar "Gyrfalcon", I'll even try to add a video review for 1,5 minutes - I'm certainly not Mikhalkov, I shot it on my phone, but still))). Tomorrow and the day after tomorrow I have a report at the Research and Development Center of AKM and VE on the promising lunar SC and the coolant system. Perhaps I will adapt it for a wide range of readers and post it too, although I'm not sure. There is no longer about the spacesuit itself, but about the fact that it would be good for Roskosmos to decide on the tasks that will be performed on the moon, and from this we will already dance by choosing the type of spacesuit. And then the story about the Falcons, Orlan and the Martian SC is next in line))) I try to publish about once a week, but articles wait for moderation for a long time and are published on schedule, so it turns out a week and a half. More often it makes no sense to overload - everyone will get bored.

[mr.ZinGer]

Thank you!
Good luck!

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Bshkaus

Next week I will publish about the lunar "Gyrfalcon", I will even try to add a video review for 1,5 minutes

An excellent series of articles, we look forward to continuing! Maybe there are materials about the lunar training of astronauts? I saw for a long time that ours, when testing a spacesuit, simulated reduced gravity using a huge cone and a side suspension of an astronaut in the spacecraft. Mattress toppers don't even have any mention of this.

[Bshkaus]

spacesuit simulated reduced gravity using a huge cone and a side suspension of the astronaut in the spacecraft.

Yes, the essence of the stand was that by changing the angle of the body axis, you can effectively create the effect of microgravity, including 1 / 6g. So did we and the Americans. There are a lot of descriptions on our stand, I even have a factory video. About the American one I saw only in the summary-special translation, there is also a photo and a description, but somehow I did not read it in its entirety. Just when I was flipping through, I noted for myself that it was similar to ours and did not go into details at that time. Maybe hands will reach to combine information and make a comparative review, but this is a long-term perspective

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Bshkaus

you can effectively create the effect of microgravity, including 1 / 6g

I am sure that many are completely unaware.

[ccsr]

Author:
Dvornikov S.M.

The famous step of Neil Armstrong was not only a truly great step for all mankind, but also put an end to the lunar race with the Soviet Union, from which the United States emerged as unconditional victors.

Something "unconditional victors" have not been able to repeat their "victory" for fifty years, and they are planning another landing on the moon only by the end of this decade. Apparently, they overstrained themselves from the "victory", since they still can't build Saturn 5 ...

[slipped]

The famous step of Neil Armstrong was not only a truly great step for all mankind, but also put an end to the lunar race with the Soviet Union, from which the United States emerged as unconditional victors.

What "bullet" did he put? In its lunar program - that's right. And the lunar program of the USSR continued until 1976. This year, the automatic interplanetary station "Luna-24" carried out a soft landing on the moon in the Sea of ​​Crises and took the lunar soil from a depth of more than one and a half meters.

All that the Americans received from their flights - scientific data and regolith, the USSR also received in full.

[Trapp1st]

The USSR also received it in full.

I may be wrong, but it seems that the seismic sensors installed by the Americans under the Apollo program are still working and dumping data on the seismic activity of the Moon.

[Torins]

At that time it was very expensive, both for us and for them.

[Bshkaus]

Something "unconditional winners" have not been able to repeat their "victory" for fifty years

soon they will launch Artemis, they are already sawing the third module for a manned flyby of the Moon, and then Artemis-4 with a landing.
2024 or 2030 is no longer important.
The squad of astronauts has already been approved, for example, I put on Anne McClain like a dark horse - a woman, I got goosebumps and chills every time I met her. Although she is a lesbian, she is a combat officer, a helicopter pilot, so she will shut up any guy to control the lunar module. And so the favorite Christina Kuh (Kok) with 6 EVA.
Let's see what happens.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Bshkaus

but a combat officer, a helicopter pilot, so controlling the lunar module will shut up any guy

Funnily enough, the first pilot of the first lunar module, Aldrin, had nothing to do with helicopters.

[Bshkaus]

The Aldrin module had nothing to do with helicopters.

I didn’t have it, but we made a simulator based on the mi4, installed a LK cockpit in the tail, the control of which was in many ways similar. So there is an analogy, which is why I assume the first candidate is Anne McClain. This is something like betting before a football match, my personal opinion is for the sake of excitement)))

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Bshkaus

but we made a simulator on the basis of mi4, in the tail we installed an LK cockpit, the control of which was in many ways similar. So there is an analogy

They just write about the American that it was created due to the impossibility of simulating the control of the lunar module on a helicopter, well, our turbulent, if you are talking about it, is also far from the helicopter, although Garnaev tested it.

[ccsr]

Quote: Bshkaus

soon they will launch Artemis, they are already sawing the third module for a manned flyby of the Moon, and then Artemis-4 with a landing.

In fact, they were supposed to land on the moon in 2015 - Bush OFFICIALLY announced this in 2003. Are you making a statement on behalf of the President of the United States, or has Musk authorized you?

Quote: Bshkaus

2024 or 2030 is no longer important.

For today's propagandists, of course, it is not important - then no one will remember about them and their "forecasts" if the landing does not take place.

Quote: Bshkaus

For example, I put on Anne McClain like a dark horse - a woman fire, I got goosebumps and chills every time I met her.

Did you accidentally check Yeltsin's "strong handshake"?

Quote: Bshkaus

Although she is a lesbian, she is a combat officer, a helicopter pilot, so she will shut up any guy to control the lunar module.

She must also be a black woman - then the flight will definitely take place.

Quote: Bshkaus

Let's see what happens.

In what year will we watch - can you name it more precisely? And then your forecast looks too vague - it's more like fortune telling on coffee grounds than a scientifically based calculation.

[Bshkaus]

She must also be a black woman - then the flight will definitely take place.

Mark my words, the black woman will be the first woman to fly around the moon, but not the first to step on it :))))

[ccsr]

Quote: Bshkaus

Mark my words, the black woman will be the first woman to fly around the moon, but not the first to step on it :))))

I don't know if I can wait for this event, but something tells me that the Chinese will land there before the Americans. So maybe a Chinese woman will be the first woman to set foot on the moon.

[Per se.]

Quote: ccsr

Something "unconditional winners" have not been able to repeat their "victory" for fifty years

The unsurpassed and still rocket Saturn-5. Was but gone somewhere ...

The unsurpassed F-1 engines to this day. There were but gone somewhere ...

The lunar modules, on which they immediately took and flew, landed and took off from the Moon, without having preliminary operating time, without making more than one such launch from the Moon. There were but gone somewhere ...

Drawings, project documentation, design characteristics. There were, but they went somewhere ...

Photo and film originals. There were, but they went somewhere ...

Kilograms of allegedly imported lunar soil. There were, but they went somewhere ...

Unsurpassed technology of entry into the Earth's atmosphere at 2 space speed according to the "one-hole scheme", without injuring the "astralonauts" from overloads and critical state of the descent vehicle. Was, but somewhere gone ...

Unique protection against radiation, which has not yet been presented for manned flights beyond the Earth's radiation belts. Was, but somewhere gone ...

Spacesuit ... Space radiation, on the moon the temperature difference is from -173 degrees Celsius to +127. The technologies must be unique; such spacesuits would be very useful on the Earth itself, for example, during the accident at the Three Mile Island nuclear power plant in Pennsylvania. But here, too, they were, but they went somewhere ...

Unchanged, only the image of the most advanced capitalist country does not disappear anywhere, for the sake of which you can go to any costs, in general, to anything.

Believe it or not NASA (there are no other sources directly confirming the conquest of the Moon by the Americans), everyone's business, like believing that you can successfully ride on Mars for many years without creating, unlike the USSR, a single lunar rover.

[Nitochkin]

Quote: Per se.

Quote: ccsr

Something "unconditional winners" have not been able to repeat their "victory" for fifty years

The unsurpassed and still rocket Saturn-5. Was but gone somewhere ...

The unsurpassed F-1 engines to this day. There were but gone somewhere ...

The lunar modules, on which they immediately took and flew, landed and took off from the Moon, without having preliminary operating time, without making more than one such launch from the Moon. There were but gone somewhere ...

Drawings, project documentation, design characteristics. There were, but they went somewhere ...

Photo and film originals. There were, but they went somewhere ...

Kilograms of allegedly imported lunar soil. There were, but they went somewhere ...

Unsurpassed technology of entry into the Earth's atmosphere at 2 space speed according to the "one-hole scheme", without injuring the "astralonauts" from overloads and critical state of the descent vehicle. Was, but somewhere gone ...

Unique protection against radiation, which has not yet been presented for manned flights beyond the Earth's radiation belts. Was, but somewhere gone ...

Spacesuit ... Space radiation, on the moon the temperature difference is from -173 degrees Celsius to +127. The technologies must be unique; such spacesuits would be very useful on the Earth itself, for example, during the accident at the Three Mile Island nuclear power plant in Pennsylvania. But here, too, they were, but they went somewhere ...

Unchanged, only the image of the most advanced capitalist country does not disappear anywhere, for the sake of which you can go to any costs, in general, to anything.

Believe it or not NASA (there are no other sources directly confirming the conquest of the Moon by the Americans), everyone's business, like believing that you can successfully ride on Mars for many years without creating, unlike the USSR, a single lunar rover.

When ordinary people believe in the cycle of fairy tales "Lunar Program" from NASA, there is nothing strange in this. But when specialists, like the author, who work at such an enterprise as NPP Zvezda, believe in this, it causes, to put it mildly, bewilderment. In the place of the personnel department of this enterprise, I would raise the question of the professional suitability of the author, BGG. Although, it may turn out that he is just a museum worker.

[Nitochkin]

Quote: Nitochkin

Although, it may turn out that he is just a museum worker.

It turned out that the author does not work in a museum, everything is really serious.
URL:
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5ec81fa81c6c0b05eff079c2/orlane-prototip-marsianskogo-skafandra-dlia-programmy-mars500-6050ffcd323dc061e640c228
Then the version is quite likely that blind faith in the American lunar program is for cover, like the Soviet leadership, BGG. I no longer see any other reasonable explanation.
ZY Why didn't you close up the zipper from back to neck on the Orlan-E? It's safe and convenient, the Americans won't let you lie, bgg.

[Nitochkin]

Quote: Nitochkin

It turned out that the author does not work in a museum, everything is really serious.
URL:
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5ec81fa81c6c0b05eff079c2/orlane-prototip-marsianskogo-skafandra-dlia-programmy-mars500-6050ffcd323dc061e640c228
Then the version is quite likely that blind faith in the American lunar program is for cover, like the Soviet leadership, BGG. I no longer see any other reasonable explanation.
ZY Why didn't you close up the zipper from back to neck on the Orlan-E? It's safe and convenient, the Americans won't let you lie, bgg.

There is another rational explanation for the author's worship of the Americans. Focusing on the first, introductory paragraph to a purely technical, seemingly, article, we can confidently state that the author, Mr. Sergey Dvornikov, who works at JSC NPP "Zvezda" im. GI Severina, an ordinary anti-Soviet and Russophobe. In support of this statement, I attach a screenshot from his resource, where Mr. Dvornikov writes under the nickname "Walks in the Startosphere":

Link to the article with which the screenshot was taken:
https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5ec81fa81c6c0b05eff079c2/apollon17-k-voprosu-o-narushenii-pohodki-astronavtov-posle-vozrasceniia-5f46bafd9100ad2a0d5b4ef2

[Bshkaus]

Thank you for advertising the blog, which is the primary source of information. I really am Sergey Mikhailovich Dvornikov))) I am writing this comment on my way back from the Institute of Aviation Medicine and Military Ergonomics, where a couple of hours ago I had a report on coolant for a promising lunar spacesuit. My report was extreme and I had already received a lull from my boss for not following the Apollo program properly, although I did receive it in coluar with a glass of cognac; less than an hour later, I have an online report at a scientific and technical seminar in Hamburg (it happened so), albeit on installations for moneuvering in space. I published a part of the general report on VO on UPMK, I promise to publish the rest.
Believe it or not, I respect my colleagues, with many familiarity, and I hope that I can say that I wore a shoe on the foot of the first woman to set foot on the moon. This is romance, I hope for understanding outside of politics

[Nitochkin]

Quote: Bshkaus

Thank you for advertising the blog, which is the primary source of information. I really am Sergey Mikhailovich Dvornikov))) I am writing this comment on my way back from the Institute of Aviation Medicine and Military Ergonomics, where a couple of hours ago I had a report on coolant for a promising lunar spacesuit. My report was extreme and I had already received a lull from my boss for not following the Apollo program properly, although I did receive it in coluar with a glass of cognac; less than an hour later, I have an online report at a scientific and technical seminar in Hamburg (it happened so), albeit on installations for moneuvering in space. I published a part of the general report on VO on UPMK, I promise to publish the rest.
Believe it or not, I respect my colleagues, with many familiarity, and I hope that I can say that I wore a shoe on the foot of the first woman to set foot on the moon. This is romance, I hope for understanding outside of politics

To the devil a politician.
The blog really contains a lot of extremely interesting technical information, and even with photos.
But everything is spoiled by srach in the comments and your personal position in relation to opponents (I have already cited one of your posts, and it is far from the only one). Somehow, by the age of 40, you need to be more balanced in your judgments and not stoop to direct insults, especially as the author of such an interesting blog that should stand above all visitors, and not wallow with them in the same puddle, because the word is not a sparrow, shit - you won't wash yourself.
Regarding the American Lunar epic, from your point of view, or the scam from mine, then time will judge us. I hope to live up to this time.
By the way, the question is, how did a person with a liberal arts education end up in AO NPP Zvezda? Did you take it for your health? After all, as far as I understood from your blog, you are a tester, not a techie?
And yet, advice, for a blog, tighten up the Russian language and style, it is lame, in some places it hurts the eye.

[Bshkaus]

The blog really contains a lot of extremely interesting technical information, and even with photos.

Thank you for rating the blog, if it's not a secret, what is your nickname?
You are actually asking the right question.
As for my comments, then - sinful, weak to temptation, although I try to hold on and do not react to 90% of bad comments. I even have two strictly on VO)))
There is nothing to say about the Americans' lunar program - we have different positions with you. This is neither good nor bad, it just happened. All I can do is just express some of the nuances that few people take into account in the theory of the lunar conspiracy. For example, a flag, be it wrong. Yesterday at the conference they showed a video during EVA in orbit and imagine - it (the flag), such an infection was fluttering)))).
My path to the Star turned out to be largely accidental.
It was necessary to conduct experiments in which the testers did not want to participate, and my father was a consultant on the work and, looking at all this in his hearts, offered to conduct experiments on me.
And then it started: for this I had to at least formally be an employee of the Star, so they took me to a quarter of the rate, but it immediately became clear that I also had to go through VLEK. While the essence and the matter, during the conversations they gave a job to develop a training stand - worked out. Then the pressure chamber - also got involved. For several years he worked part-time, combining several jobs, as a result, he was lured away full-time. He was engaged in psycho-physiological training of testers, he himself became a tester, scientific work began, etc. etc. But mainly I am engaged in high-altitude physiology, training cosmonauts in pressure chambers during EVA, refueling water supply systems for the Union, and other nonsense. work is constantly different.
As for the stylistics, here are the following points: I am not a professional writer and journalist; I often make mistakes. Somewhere through inattention, somewhere because of the fact that I type in the blind according to the principle "what I think, my fingers knock", and then I don't notice mistakes with a soapy eye. Sometimes I cite material from other sources and there is already the author's style to which I have nothing to do but do not consider it necessary to edit. And if we are talking about the translation of foreign publications, then you yourself understand - there must be talent))))

[Nitochkin]

Quote: Bshkaus

Thank you for rating the blog, if it's not a secret, what is your nickname?

On Yandex.Zen I am a reader, not a writer, and that is thanks to your blog. I do not see, yet, the need to create an account there.
Yesterday I read two articles about pressure helmets. Very interesting, especially impressive about the spatial ones.

[Bshkaus]

Yesterday I read two articles about pressure helmets. Very interesting, especially impressive about the spatial ones.

Yes, in such a (spatial) Dolgov died. And recently a spacesuit was also found, which is not in the museum on a mannequin, but is simply stored so that it can be examined and touched in great detail. As for the pressure helmets, I am making a series of articles on prototypes. Published only 3 articles so far. And there is a photo of VKK and GSh for a dog! even I was surprised by this)))

[sabakina]

The famous step of Neil Armstrong was not only a truly great step for all mankind, but also put an end to the lunar race with the Soviet Union, from which the United States emerged as unconditional victors.

Author, you were not taught in kindergarten that lying is not good? When Leonov first went out into outer space, he could barely get back, because the spacesuit is inflated. Then this information was classified. Well, do you remember

The astronauts are feeling well.

After that, the astronauts from "Peppy from Orbit" appeared ....

[Bshkaus]

Author, you were not taught in kindergarten that lying is not good?

She taught me the gateway of life, so I can stand up for myself and crack my brains too, especially when they are accused of lying.
So get the full program:
Firstly, all domestic spacesuits (including the Gagarinsky one) had a working pressure of 0,27 atmospheres, and only on the Leonovsky Berkut was the working regime of 0,4 atmospheres applied for the first time, and 0,27 was saved as "emergency". The truth is that at 0,4, the suit is actually more inflated compared to 0,27, and mobility becomes more difficult in it. But for Leonov it was a "WORKING" pre-planned regime.
Then you can say whatever you want (the winners are not judged), but there was no experience of going into outer space from the word "in principle" and the sleeves were incorrectly adjusted, it turned out that it is more difficult to work in a soft spacecraft, especially during a high psycho-emotional load.
During the exit, Leonov could not cope with the entry at 0,4, so he dropped to 0,27 (which was provided for by the design of the SC). He honestly said that the spacesuit was "inflated a lot", but he never and nowhere said that "the spacesuit was inflated more than it should."
Moreover, a safety valve was installed on the SC, which, in principle, did not allow the spacesuit to swell more than necessary.
And the most "killer" that the SK manometer had a maximum scale of 0,4, so well, it was impossible to determine from it that the spacesuit was "swollen more than it should be"))))
For some reason, everyone remembered that the UK was bloated, but few know the details of why this happened, almost no one except the developers knew that the standard of working pressure in the spacesuit had changed (which is still in effect).
About Americans:
Compare the Americans who flew a maximum of 2 weeks (14 days), 1-3 of which had to work on the lunar surface in gravity (albeit 1/6) with the Soyuz-9 crew, who spent 18 days in orbit without gravity and the possibility to fully engage in physical activity due to emergency situations, to put it mildly, it is not correct.
Read the book "Space flights on the Soyuz spacecraft" there are very good descriptions of the flight results and the results of our data coincide with the behavior of the Americans.

[Simfy]

"The famous step of Neil Armstrong was not only a truly great step for all mankind, but also put an end to the lunar race with the Soviet Union, from which the United States emerged as unconditional victors."

... the author so what to discuss next, the poor winner ??? Al HYIP is now in fashion ?!) Al topic is just about spacesuits, specialized spacesuits ... for disembarkation ... Is HYIP in vogue in the yard?)))

[Bshkaus]

... the author, so what to discuss next,

The author writes exactly what was - only facts.
The USSR was the first to carry out a manned orbital flight and was far ahead of the Americans, who flew into orbit only in February 62. This is a fact and this is an unconditional victory for the USSR.
The USSR was the first to carry out a spacewalk in 1965, and this is also an unconditional victory.
Buran was many times more perfect than the Shuttle in terms of saving the crew - this is also a fact and a victory for the USSR.
The United States was the first to carry out a manned flight to the moon - this is also a bitter fact for the fragile psyche of leavened patriots. Each one solves this deep psychological problem in his own way: some treat with understanding. it is impossible to be the first in everything and always, someone indulges in denial - I don’t judge these people, it’s easier for them.

[Knell wardenheart]

I understand correctly, the black spacecraft is "Eagle" and the white spacecraft is "Gyrfalcon"?
It is sad that all the same we did not drag the Lunar Race ... to be the first on the Moon at that time would have been much easier than on Mars. Look, the United States would have overstrained with Mars then - and the space race, albeit temporarily, would have remained with us.
Although, of course, we still lagged behind in the quality of the AMC - we did not have anything of the foreseeable type of "Pioneers", "Voyagers" ..

[Bshkaus]

I understand correctly, the black spacecraft is "Eagle" and the white spacecraft is "Gyrfalcon"?

Not! Both Eagles, only 1st (black) without protective overalls. I will write separately about the Gyrfalcon, it is completely different in appearance and design.

[Rostislav]

The famous step of Neil Armstrong was not only a truly great step for all mankind, but also put an end to the lunar race with the Soviet Union, from which the United States emerged as unconditional victors.

Tired of listening to this mantra about the landing of penguins on the moon.

[Bshkaus]

Tired of listening to this mantra about the landing of penguins on the moon.

Fools learn from their own mistakes, smart from strangers. It is very foolish not to take into account both the good and the negative experience of the Americans when preparing the lunar mission. Although ... trampolines, trampolines, trampolines ...

[Rostislav]

So after all, this is not about the lack of experience of the Americans, but about deception elevated to the rank of state policy. Started with Armstrong, continued with Powels.
Achievements cannot be taken away, but the number of lies and fraud is staggering. What is their recent congratulations on Cosmonautics Day worth?

[Bshkaus]

So after all, this is not about the lack of experience of the Americans, but about deception elevated to the rank of state policy

I don't even intend to argue

[Nitochkin]

Quote: Bshkaus

Tired of listening to this mantra about the landing of penguins on the moon.

Fools learn from their own mistakes, smart from strangers. It is very foolish not to take into account both the good and the negative experience of the Americans when preparing the lunar mission. Although ... trampolines, trampolines, trampolines ...

Fools and learn? Don't you find that these two concepts are antagonistic to each other?
What good experience did the Americans have, what did they learn from their lunar program, what technologies? Experience of falsifying everything and everyone? Yes, they did it well, judging by your, a person with a higher technical education, belief in the success of their lunar scam.

[Vsevolod136]

Quote: S.M.Dvornikov

The famous step of Neil Armstrong was not only a truly great step for all mankind, but also put an end to the lunar race with the Soviet Union, from which the United States emerged as unconditional victors.

Believers from the sect of St. Apollonius are so funny, they simply do not perceive the facts.
Well, on the Nasav thimbles with their photoshop there is nowhere to put brands, the Moon is the color of cement, Mars is red)))
For example, here is the verification of how the Chinese found "footprints" on the moon:

"Good evening! You published in LiveJournal that the spacecraft of other countries did not photograph American artifacts on the moon. I sent a request to the Chinese Space Agency, they sent me an answer. ”Here is the correspondence with the Chinese at [email protected]
https://photo-vlad.livejournal.com/152764.html?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C5604329551

Quote: Bshkaus

soon they will launch Artemis, they are already sawing the third module for a manned flyby of the Moon, and then Artemis-4 with a landing.

yeah, soon-soon, low-low)))
NASA liars from 2006 to year:
"..... the thirteenth flight of the Orion spacecraft will be a flight to the Moon, which is to take place in December 2019, the duration of this flight is 21 days. During this expedition, three, out of four, crew members will enter the surface of the Moon, for the first time after 1972. "
)))))

by Apollo 11:
Briefly, the argument is as follows.
We should see Sabine crater and Moltke A mountains in the Apollo 11 panoramas. However, they are not. All Eagles' panoramas have an even horizon ... This indicates a discrepancy between the landscapes in the images from the Apollo landing site and from orbit.
More:
http://ligaspace.my1.ru/news/2008-7-21-84-0-2#ent323.
https://photo-vlad.livejournal.com/186226.html?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C8232576878

Recently, an official response from Roscosmos was received at the request of Yuri Solomonov that Roscosmos has no information about tracking Apollo. Now the turn has come to officially admit this to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation:
https://photo-vlad.livejournal.com/208825.html#cutid1?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C2755491016

So it goes...

[alexey alexeyev_2]

And in more detail you can. Compare with American. Trends in development and in the future. The topic is very interesting.

[Gimlet]

I support! I think that the author knows a lot about the "secrets" of American spacesuits. It would be very interesting to compare the difference in the methods and ways of solving the problems of human life support in space / on the Moon between us and them ...

[Bshkaus]

I support! I think that the author knows a lot about the "secrets" of American spacesuits. It would be very interesting to compare the difference in the methods and ways of solving the problems of human life support in space / on the Moon between us and them ...

There are differences and they are large, starting with the pressure in spacesuits, and this is primarily a matter of hypoxia and decompression disorders.
If we talk about Musk's new spacesuit, then there is no information on it - it is secret, but the analysis of the video of the first launches suggests that it is raw, and some things are frankly inconvenient: wireless headphones constantly fall out and you can see how they rule them (and this is not vibration time during flight), gloves are also worn very hard and uncomfortable - they will have to be replaced because this is a real crackpot. The ventilation of the helmet, judging by the location and the number of vents, is not very good.
Naturally, I could be wrong, of course, the UK has strengths that the Americans hide, but there are also childhood illnesses.
Our philosophy is to protect the cosmonaut on the basis of the "refusal to refuse" principle. several levels of protection are provided in the event of a cascade of failures of various systems. They have a theory of probability, they just live with the idea that it is convenient for you to fly, but there are 1% of situations when you find yourself without options for survival.

[Gimlet]

[quote = Bshkaus] [/ quote] There are differences and they are big, starting ... [/ quote]
Well, yes, that's what I'm talking about! It's just that I have never found a comparative analysis of "our" and "theirs" approach to solving the same problems. If there are still some technical details about American spacesuits, then there is practically nothing about ours!
For example, an autonomous thermal control system for a spacesuit. Or the same zippers. I have no idea how you can make an airtight "zipper"? No, with additional flaps and fasteners / ties, I can imagine ... But then why do you need the "zipper" itself?
Or, say, a delicate topic - the disposal of the "waste" of the body. And the smell? How are things going with this? This is also a question! Filtration of air from odors ... No where was it written or said. I have not seen .. CO2 purification, dehumidification, humidification ... And the smell? Well, if 10 days 2 people, in the cabin about 3 cubic meters ... As in that joke "watery eyes ..."
I judge purely at the household level ..

[Bshkaus]

Well, yes, that's what I'm talking about!

In fact, everything is simple:
1- thermo-regulation with a water cooling suit. Water runs through tubes along the surface of the body and either removes excess heat, or, on the contrary, warms up. Then the water passes through the heat exchanger and through a new circle into the suit.
2- there is a tongue on the inside of the mole, like on jackets, but rubber and one more fabric lining. When the SC is inflated, the tongue fits snugly against the zipper and further seals it. And there are leaks in any spacesuit, there are simply permissible limits. SK Berkut had 3 l / m according to the passport. What does this affect? For! The duration of autonomous work. Well, the SC will work not for 8, but for 7 hours - there is not a great loss, or insert a slightly larger supply of o2.
3- the smell is sucked in by the urine suction fan, on the Shuttle and so it was sucked into the separator. Then through charcoal filters. The ventilation itself is powerful. In a small volume, on the contrary, all the air circulates and changes faster, so it's very even there - it's not a Zhiguli at 40 degrees of heat in a traffic jam)))

[Nitochkin]

Our spacesuit has:
"The shell of the spacesuit consisted of two layers: an outer power one made of nylon and an inner sealed one made of rubberized fabric.
In the area of ​​the abdomen and chest there was a gap through which the spacesuit was put on. Then the opening was sealed and covered with an outer shell with lacing. "
And what about the fat-spotted spacesuit? It's just lightning. Lightning, Karl, from the very back to the neck! Why bother yourself with some lace-up flaps / smells? And it is easier to change a diaper with an amn through a zipper, otherwise, while you unlace and swing open, everything will flow out into your boots (sarcasm).

[Elturisto]

Well done, Velcro is better then
- a fucking rationalizer ...

[Bshkaus]

And what about the fat-dot suit? It's just lightning. Lightning, Karl, from the very back to the neck! Why bother yourself with some lace-up flaps / smells?

We also had and still have SK Sokol with gemmolning, namely: Sokol KV and KM, M and MT. It's just that we don't know how to make them reliably)))

[Nitochkin]

Quote: Bshkaus

And what about the fat-dot suit? It's just lightning. Lightning, Karl, from the very back to the neck! Why bother yourself with some lace-up flaps / smells?

We also had and still have SK Sokol with gemmolning, namely: Sokol KV and KM, M and MT. It's just that we don't know how to make them reliably)))

In Falcon, you can stay on the moon for a long time, walk, jump, i.e. to perform all those stunts that the Americans allegedly performed? Or is he still an emergency rescue? Don't you find that the Americans' lunar "spacesuit" and the Falcon are in different categories?

[Bshkaus]

Americans and Falcon are in different categories?

I find you are confusing flies and cutlets. The principle of sealing the spacesuit does not affect the scope of its application. And if you started to think about the rescue and the output SC, then the difference between them is in the on-board and autonomous coolant, in the way of cutting for combination with a chair, or for walking, in the presence / absence of hinges in the legs, but not in the zipper

[Nitochkin]

Quote: Bshkaus

Americans and Falcon are in different categories?

I find you are confusing flies and cutlets. The principle of sealing the spacesuit does not affect the scope of its application. And if you started to think about the rescue and the output SC, then the difference between them is in the on-board and autonomous coolant, in the way of cutting for combination with a chair, or for walking, in the presence / absence of hinges in the legs, but not in the zipper

And I, in turn, find that you are engaged in demagoguery and chattering.
Gyrfalcon and Eagle in your side. And it is not necessary to say that only the Americans have learned how to make absolutely sealed and reliable zippers, and the rest have problems with this, and therefore they mold doors on their backs with pressurized locks.

[Bshkaus]

In Falcon, you can stay on the moon for a long time, walk, jump, i.e. to perform all those stunts that the Americans allegedly performed? Or is he still an emergency rescue? Don't you find that the Americans' lunar "spacesuit" and the Falcon are in different categories?

I find it, and it was on this topic that I had a report that week. Spacesuits are divided into rescue, universal and EVA spacesuits (off-rocket activity).
With the first and last type, everything is clear, and the universal one was created for this, to serve both as a rescue and as a weekend.
It's like an all-season tire. All three types of IC have their own strengths and weaknesses, and the question of using one type or another depends on the specific tasks that will be solved. In any case, no matter what SC you choose, you will need to find a compromise between functionality, ergonomics and technical characteristics.

[Gimlet]

Quote: Bshkaus

1- thermo-regulation by a suit of water cooling .... Then the water passes through the heat exchanger and through a new circle into the suit.

About water cooling, suit with tubes I know! I can imagine how the heating happens. But how does the "thermostat" of the autonomous coolant release the "excess" heat? I read somewhere that the American lunar spacesuit dumped heat by spraying / evaporating portions of water ... How do our spacesuits solve the problem of "dumping" excess heat?

Quote: Bshkaus

2- there is a tongue on the inside of the mole, like on jackets, but rubber and one more fabric lining. When the SC is inflated, the tongue fits snugly against the zipper and further seals it.

The scheme is clear. It turns out that for the sake of the convenience of putting on / taking off the spacesuit (and what else is zipper needed for?), Took the risk of constant microleaks? And if, after the next tilt of the body, this internal valve leaves a fistula on some "wave / bend" of lightning? Is the astronaut riding the Rover at this time? And then you still need to climb into the module, equalize the pressure ... Is the convenience of lightning and such a risk justified? And where have we used or are using zipper in spacesuits?

Quote: Bshkaus

3- the smell is sucked in by the fan sucking in urine, on the Shuttle and so it was sucked into the separator. Then through charcoal filters.

In principle, it's also understandable. Thank you for explaining!
It's just that for you these are quite ordinary things, familiar and commonplace for a long time. For me and people like me, far from the space theme, plus "secrecy" - these are the "little things" that make up a complete picture of devices and mechanisms! We are not allowed to touch with our own hands ...