"Let them negotiate even in Antarctica - the main thing is peace": the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Belarus is surprised by Kiev's desire to deprive Minsk of the status of a negotiating platform for Donbass

The idea of ​​Leonid Kravchuk, who holds the post of head of the Ukrainian office in the Trilateral Contact Group for the settlement of the Donbas conflict, to hold talks in Poland instead of Minsk was treated with bewilderment and was considered absurd. The Belarusian Foreign Ministry is very surprised by Kiev's desire to deprive Minsk of the status of a negotiating platform.

This was stated by the Belarusian Foreign Minister Uladzimir Makei in an interview with the Belarus 1 TV channel.

The Foreign Minister considered these words of the Ukrainian ex-president "a joke worthy of Zhvanetsky." He found it especially amusing that Kravchuk called Poland a "neutral" state.

One cannot find a more "neutral" country than Poland in the whole world ...

- Makei sneers.

In his opinion, it does not matter of principle where the negotiations take place. Even if it is in Antarctica, the main thing is peace.
The minister believes that the recent statements of Kiev politicians indicate that Ukraine simply does not intend to fulfill the Minsk agreements.

Shortly before this, the head of the Ukrainian delegation to the TCG said that after the end of the quarantine associated with the coronavirus pandemic, the negotiating platform for Donbass should be moved to one of the neutral countries, for example, to Poland.

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[Nikolay Ivanov_5]

When maydanutye skakuasy liberate Ukraine from their presence ???

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5

When maydanutye skakuasy liberate Ukraine from their presence ??

The question is rhetorical. The people themselves will not free themselves. This is already clear. We need to help ...

[Tatyana]

Kravchuk, as he was a bastard - the Young-Bandera liaison-Nazi-Russophobe, so this bastard will die!
Surely, Kravchuk now also receives a salary from Washington for his service in Ukraine in the national interests of the United States through the "sorosyatniki" of the NCO, if not directly!

[dimz]

Well, what do you slander a person ... Before that, he was a pioneer for all children, an example, a fiery Komsomol member, a principled communist. ... What is the West?

[210ox]

Yeah. And why do they turn into good and bad people. Up to criminals and maniacs. The pioneer organization is to blame for everything ...

[xorek]

Quote: Tatiana

Kravchuk, as he was a bastard - the Young-Bandera liaison-Nazi-Russophobe, so this bastard will die!
Surely, Kravchuk now also receives a salary from Washington for his service in Ukraine in the national interests of the United States through the "sorosyatniki" of the NCO, if not directly!

This Judas muddied everything that is now happening in Ukraine .. And now he is still trying to speak, inciting everyone and everything against Russia .. To catch him, along with a humpback and hang on these Judas so much blood of the peoples of the USSR that Hitler is simply jealous of his plan destruction in his book ..
Eh Tatyana, until all this will last .. The simple people no longer have patience ..

[businessv]

Quote: Tatiana

Kravchuk, as he was a bastard - the Young-Bandera liaison-Nazi-Russophobe, so this bastard will die!

I agree with you! They also forgot to add progressive senile marasmus, which is increasingly manifested in his statements. How can he even be entrusted with the negotiation process ?!

[prior]

If you look well, then the name of Kravchuk will probably be found in the lists of the OUN or UPA.
If not himself, then his relative for sure.

[Tatyana]

Quote: prior

If you look well, then the name of Kravchuk will probably be found in the lists of the OUN or UPA.
If not himself, then his relative for sure.

Unfortunately, during the Second World War, many true communists died on the fronts - and the party ranks were greatly thinned out. It was necessary to replenish the local Communist Party to rebuild the country.
And this replenishment of the party ranks with new members after the Second World War just attracted many careerist opportunists on the ground - especially since after Stalin's death Khrushchev abolished the criminal responsibility of party members for failures in leadership, which was under Stalin. The Communist Party in the USSR found itself littered with opportunistic careerists. Kravchuk is one of them.

REFERENCE
The first President of Ukraine L. Kravchuk only once - after the Belovezhskaya events - let slip that he himself as a child he carried food parcels to the Bandera militants into the forest, when in the parliamentary hall they talked about the "liberation mission" of the OUN - UPA .
But probably the matter was not limited to transmissions ...

The conscription to the UPA was led by the commandants of the mobilization departments, in case of large losses in the UPA, the demands for the mobilization of the required number of people were passed through the stanitsa system, for evading the draft - execution, the author writes. - I would like to pay special attention to “one hundred brave young men” and the same “one hundred courageous girls” in the department of special purpose. It was a real forge of OUN-UPA personnel. All young people were divided into three age groups: 10-12 years old, 13-15 years old and 16-18 years old. All of these age and gender groups had their own tasks, actions and demands.

The younger ones were used as observers, scouts and messengers, the older ones as saboteurs. For example, the future president of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk began his career as a scout among the “hundred courageous young men”. How serious it was can be judged by the way they monitored the tank reserve of the 1st Ukrainian Front, which was stationed in Tuchinsky forest in 1944, with the subsequent aiming of German aviation at it.
From the book by Yu.V. Taraskin “War after the war. Memoirs of a counterintelligence officer "and A. Tereshchenko" Purgatory of SMERSH. Stalin's "wolfhounds".

This fact from the biography of a ten-year-old boy was never imputed by the Soviet government to him, moreover, in the future it was promoted to responsible leading positions, each time to higher and higher positions.
See in detail - "Kravchuk recalled his Bandera childhood" - vspomnilos-kravchuku-ego-banderovskoe-detstvo.html

[xorek]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: Nikolay Ivanov_5

When maydanutye skakuasy liberate Ukraine from their presence ??

The question is rhetorical. The people themselves will not free themselves. This is already clear. We need to help ...

Here it is unambiguous, there the world's highest classification crumbs grabbed onto Ukraine with their fangs, they plundered almost everything, and now the traces need to be covered by a massacre ... They are looking for and prowling to arrange a provocation of the bastard ..

[alex neym_2]

I can't wait ... the roots are too deep ...

[URAL72]

Without our help, never. Pravoseki have weapons, they are organized, there are branches in every regional center, they are motivated, although not everywhere the same. They killed and mocked politicians and journalists with impunity. They are afraid. But their power and influence is inexorably, albeit slowly, but declining. But time is not working for us. In 10-15 years, we risk losing 15-20 million of the population, industry and technology on the potentially Russian territory. We need to hurry. Yes, sanctions. But even Crimea is more expensive than any sanctions. And all of Ukraine is much more. You shouldn't treat it dismissively, the Soviet potential will have an effect for a long time to come. And these are the Slavs, the Orthodox, and it is not difficult to re-educate the herd - the GDR as an example. Thugs - to labor camps for life.

[210ox]

Unfortunately, what they did not do in 2014 will not be done anymore. The statement that "we will not leave Donbass" is reduced only to a demonstration of force. Thugs will calm down for a while. Then they will lash out with stronger anger. It's time for an ultimatum. Although this time is probably lost.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: 210ox

Unfortunately, what they did not do in 2014 will not be done anymore. The statement that "we will not leave the Donbass" is reduced only to a demonstration of force ...

Yes, the pro-Western position of our elite is too strong, recently Peskov noted:

No one is going to move towards a war with Ukraine, no one accepts any possibility of such a war, said Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov

those. such a statement can be regarded as a signal to the West, with the message that Russia will not intervene and will not wage a war with Ukraine, of course, before that there was a strong statement by Kozak and the transfer of the Armed Forces to the border with Ukraine, but how far are ours ready to go ... this is an open question ...

[Maikcg]

industry and technology

Dung harvesting technologies? What other Soviet potential? This is not a rhetorical question.

[URAL72]

Have you painted anything besides comics? Kharkov, - the second after Leningrad center for the production of nuclear reactors for nuclear power plants, diesel engines, tanks, photo and optical equipment (Izum), nuclear physics with a research reactor (in Kiev too), chemical research institutes, KhAI (auto), - Soviet auto formulas 1. Yuzhmash, Iskra, Zarya, KB and factories Luch, Arsenal, Mayak, shipyards (they are still alive), uranium mines of Kirovograd and Zhitomir, titanium (Zhytomyr) manganese from Nikopol, high-quality iron ore of the Kr Rozhsky basin, Sokol plant (died) New Kakhovka - SJSC, the second after the outdated plant in Taganrog. Hydromash in Dnepropetrovsk (air chassis, etc.), tractors, combines, KrAZ, Odessa ammonia, ports, LAND, PEOPLE. The list can be long. It's worth fighting for. Our ancestors watered this land with blood for centuries. Don't you need it? Iskander in Uzhgorod and Lutsk is better than Pershing in Kharkov and Chernigov.

[businessv]

Quote: URAL72

Iskander in Uzhgorod and Lutsk is better than Pershing in Kharkov and Chernigov.

I agree with you completely, but the time is irrevocably lost - it was necessary to return all this back in 2014, today it will be much more difficult and costly, if the authorities decide to do it at all.

[Maikcg]

All this was in the 91st. Many years have passed since then. During this time, huge funds have been invested in their own development and a penny in them, they sawed through the legacy, and not developed something, all the "probable" competitive productions are there now 1. They pierce the bottom 2. The violinist does not need a native (c)

All this territory is a huge unprofitable liability and it is a crime to hang it around the neck of Russia today. What are you going to do with IMF loans, for example? Well, sort of like returning the lands, and with them their obligations, no? Not this way? You can throw hats, they say, we will give up the Great Danes of Ukraine, but doubts gnaw at something. But other? It is not the 2 millionth Crimea that needs to be taken on the balance sheet, but the 30+ millionth cesspool poisoned by anti-Russian ideology, with a collapsed social system and infrastructure, with production from which not even sand, but bricks are poured.
People? I do not see people there in the mass. Who will carry out the denazification, if our own house is a mess with ideology and full of abominations with "bright faces" and low social responsibility. Previously, they would have been shot as enemies of the state, but now dear people, the elite .. How can we do something if there is no order at home. Crimea was the line that cannot be crossed. All of Ukraine does not have the same strategic importance as Crimea. So let it rot to the end, then it will be possible to talk about the return.

[URAL72]

All of Ukraine does not have the same strategic importance as Crimea. "

Are you crazy? The Ukrainian border is 100 km from the Kursk, Voronezh, Belgorod NPPs. 5 minutes flight to Moscow without hypersound ... Rostov and Taganrog with strategic factories and infrastructure ... Read about defense and other developments in Ukraine. And this is with zero funding. Don't live ORT, read more. While they were taking Crimea, two brand new (one barely completed) Bison safely washed away from Feodosia - they are "Bison". Are they being built in Russia? And in Ukraine they built it in the 14th, for export to China. In the same place in Feodosia, composite buildings for various purposes were built. Oticu for tanks. No, not everything is lost in Ukraine. Motor Sich Chinese just wanted to buy a fool? Until now, Russia is restoring the competence of this plant, but for example, there are no engines for the BE-200 yet ... They have a lot of things, for example, in the field of radar - the S-300 was not produced without Ukraine, and even created. Have you heard about the Kolchuga? TEACH THE MATCH. I’m at the service tomorrow, - who will bring you to your senses?

[Zhenya Khazarsky]

Kharkov, - the second after Leningrad center for the production of nuclear reactors for nuclear power plants

With all due respect to the past merits of the Kharkovites, the second, and now probably already the first center of atomic engineering is the Volgodonsk Atommash.
And they did not make reactors in Kharkov. Tubins and pumps - yes! But not reactors.

[210ox]

You shouldn't think others are fools. Gathering dung. This is fraught. Enemies cannot be underestimated.

[URAL72]

You shouldn't think others are fools. Gathering dung. This is fraught. Enemies cannot be underestimated. "

Sorry, dear, but the enemy is not Ukraine, but only its power, which is under the control of the true enemy. Let's take Kiev through Sumy and Chernigov - primordially Russian cities, and that's it - there is no power, no Ukraine. Nobody will fight for this life. People are tired of lies and meaningless expectations. A little free vaccine, a dry ration, more Solovyov and K. - the job is done. A year of tough confrontation with the West (Europe will not last even without energy resources), a "vote" on joining New Russia, and the trick is in the bag. There is only a chance until China has risen and played its part without us. Then it will be too late. 145 million versus 1,5 billion is ridiculous. We urgently need to return the "compatriots" together with the territory. But serious steps are needed. A ban on the export of capital, compulsory investment according to the state plan, cuts in social benefits, etc. in favor of purchasing VT (there is nowhere to cut the minimum wage, but there are prosecutorial and other pensions, golden parachutes and dividends from state assets, etc.). First of all, "weapons of retaliation", then nuclear submarines, aviation, air defense. No tanks needed. WWII will not happen. We need a deterrent weapon.

[XXXIII]

Quote: 210ox

You shouldn't think others are fools. Gathering dung. This is fraught. Enemies cannot be underestimated.

With Ukraine, this does not work, there is not a need for intelligence, but a whip.)) They always chased the Zaporozhye, alas, but only as part of one people, there is order, and so betrayal is born in every family.

[Olkhovsky]

This is not a rhetorical question.

Engineering, technical thought, etc. Better to integrate Ukraine than dull Central Asia. Think wider, shyrshe.

[xorek]

Quote: URAL72

Without our help, never. Pravoseki have weapons, they are organized, there are branches in every regional center, they are motivated, although not everywhere the same. They killed and mocked politicians and journalists with impunity. They are afraid.

They are afraid of the goat herders zapadnenets, who they used to be and who now after the Maidan think they are.?
Mostly not educated and tired of working in Poland And then they were offered and paid for and they rushed with joy, destroying and humiliating everything ...

Quote: URAL72

But their power and influence is inexorably, albeit slowly, but declining. But time is not working for us. In 10-15 years, we risk losing 15-20 million population, industry and technology on potentially Russian territory.

Well, industry and technologies are all destroyed and lost, but this does not mean that Ukraine is lost as an agricultural territory and a buffer ..!

Quote: URAL72

We need to hurry. Yes, sanctions. But even Crimea is more expensive than any sanctions. And all of Ukraine is much more. You should not treat it dismissively, the Soviet potential will be around for a long time.

Nobody abandons her .. Just WAITING for their Bandera supporters to just start pressing in all corners and farms .. And this is the time! Ukraine must self-purify itself and Russia will help them in this ..
Remember Odessa, when Soviet troops surrounded it and stood, waited ..
There, all the streets were covered with Nazi lackeys, the underground workers and partisans quickly figured it out on their own. And the Soviet troops simply entered the quiet and silent city ..
Something the same with Kiev should be and other cities .. I'm sure of that! The main thing is not to rush .. The wave of indignation is already beginning!

[URAL72]

Remember Odessa when Soviet troops surrounded it "

How do you propose to encircle Ukraine? After all, it is necessary to cut the routes of supply and other support. And wait on the shore of the passing corpse of the enemy .... So we are not Chinese. And there is no time. We need to hurry. I have indicated the reasons above. It is about preserving Russia as a world power, not a raw material appendage.

[xorek]

Quote: URAL72

How do you propose to encircle Ukraine?

No way .. They are already scattering ..

Quote: URAL72

After all, it is necessary to cut the routes of supply and other support. And wait on the shore of the passing corpse of the enemy .... So we are not Chinese. And there is no time. We need to hurry. I have indicated the reasons above.

Well, your reasons are provocative and smell like a lot of blood, which is exactly what they expect from us in the Pentagon of the other fifth columns inside Russia ..
How do you like this?

Quote: URAL72

It's about preserving Russia as a world power, not a raw material appendage.

What does Ukraine have to do with it? These horses have already made their choice .. And Russia will accept this territory, but without investing in it as in the times of the USSR .. Let them provide for themselves and pay off their debts for their politicians, but under the control of Russia .. Donbass OUR AND Kiev, cleared from goat herders zapadnenets and other bagmen .. The rest are paid for by our military bases as well!
That's what I think it should be!

[URAL72]

Well, you have provocative reasons and smell like a lot of blood. "

So I have been in the DPR trenches for 7 years. I'm no stranger to blood. Have you finished school long ago? It smells of such a naive childhood ... And just our people flee from Ukraine - those who do not want to speak the language. This is bad. Soon there will be no one to save, and there will be no one to meet ... What kind of investments are you talking about? This should be our territory at the level of regions, not republics, even autonomous ones.

[Paranoid50]

Quote: URAL72

Have you finished school long ago?

Duc, this is Vitaly Mikhanich - he finished school a long time ago, that's the trouble.

[figwam]

He found it especially amusing that Kravchuk called Poland a "neutral" state.

Well, yes, Poland has nothing to do with NATO and Western expansion to the east, only a cleverly done Kravchuk could have come up with such a thing.

[Blacksmith 55]

There is Krylov's fable.
As friends, you do not sit down, ......

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Blacksmith 55

As friends, you do not sit down, ......

Why not in Minsk? Let's go straight to Nuyork or Fashington. After all, unlike its neighbor Minsk, it is a party to the conflict. And not just a party, but a customer. Does it make sense to talk to an intermediary if he does not decide anything, but only obeys orders? You need to talk to the Master. Because - Nuyork ...

[210ox]

I suggest the school cafeteria in Potsdam. Or whatever is there now. It is clear what role the Ukop side will play.

[xorek]

Quote: 210ox

I suggest the school cafeteria in Potsdam. Or whatever is there now. It is clear what role the Ukop side will play.

I suggest in Beijing !!!! But the Jews are afraid to go there ..))))

[210ox]

Jews are everywhere. This is not a nation, but a way of life.

[xorek]

Quote: 210ox

Jews are everywhere. This is not a nation, but a way of life.

Well, yes, of course I agree ..

[gurzuf]

The negotiations should be held in Russia. The current president, Pan Ze and his "successor, Pan. Nee Waltzman, regularly paid and pay taxes from their" mine "and business. It turns out that they trust Moscow. Why invent something if there is trust in the Russian Federation.

[210ox]

What trust ?! Russia is waging a war with them.

[gurzuf]

If there was no trust, then taxes in the Russian Federation would not be paid.

[210ox]

Well, with a lousy sheep, at least a tuft of wool. This is not trust. A forced necessity. Yes, and where did you get the idea that they pay taxes here?

[URAL72]

How from what? VVP itself called Valtsman the best taxpayer - 1 billion rubles a year from the Lipetsk factory alone. Just like the Emperor Alexander, he called the Bukhara Emir his best governor.

[210ox]

The factory has been closed for four years. There are five cases in court on fines and VAT collection for 1 billion rubles. Here is the entire tax.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: 210ox

I suggest the school cafeteria in Potsdam. Or whatever is there now. It is clear what role the Ukop side will play.

The whole trouble with the Ukrop side is that in the Potsdam canteen they were Winners, because they were part of the USSR. And now, as a henchman of the United States, they are NOBODY and call them ANYWHERE. How many decades does Dill take to figure this out?

[Egoza]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Why not in Minsk?

In Minsk, of course, they were surprised, but they will remember ...

[Sergei Timofeich]

Castruli's brains have finally gone to waste ..

[Piramidon]

Quote: Sergei Timofeich

Castruli brains completely profuked.

Yes, there never were brains. One enamelled iron. The mind was only enough to jump like baboons during the rut.

[alexmach]

The Minister believes that the recent statements of Kiev politicians indicate that Ukraine simply does not intend to fulfill the Minsk agreements.

To the point, let alone carry out, they do not want to negotiate. A stimulating effect is needed.

[taiga2018]

Quote: alexmach

A stimulating effect is needed.

As practice shows, only the "boiler" has such an impact on Kiev.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: taiga2018

Quote: alexmach

A stimulating effect is needed.

As practice shows, only the "boiler" has such an impact on Kiev.

Yes, and this is something they really do not understand .. There is enough historical memory for a month. If there was a normal historical memory, the carcasses of Bandera would have been hanging on poles for a long time.

[taiga2018]

Who else but Belarusians know how "neutral" Poland is towards its neighbors ... They would also offer Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia ...

[Mark kalendarov]

Old age is not joy ...
Kravchuk plays the role of a high-profile jester ... Loose things, for which others are chopped off. Well, the reaction is checked by their curators ...

[rocket757]

There are no negotiators in riding, in power, there is no one to talk to and nothing about.

[xorek]

Quote: rocket757

There are no negotiators in riding, in power, there is no one to talk to and nothing about.

Putin understood this at once .. When this clown was put in power!

The famous photo speaks for itself, isn't it guys ..?

[Alexander Betonkin]

Why Poland? It would be possible to go to Georgia. And take Saakashvili as the main negotiator.

[Incvizitor]

"Ukraine" in 91m for the war was created so that until this western project is closed the war will be.

[Mavrikiy]

"Let them negotiate even in Antarctica - the main thing is peace":

Penguins?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Mavrikiy

"Let them negotiate even in Antarctica - the main thing is peace":

Penguins?

In my opinion, it is easier to negotiate with the Gvinpin than with the Maidan jumpers. The Guinpines, in my opinion, are cleverer ...

[Evil 55]

To call the "hyena of Europe" "a neutral state" is "Viy Kravchuk" overdid it .. Marazmych and Parkinsonych whispered something to him.

[xorek]

Quote: Evil 55

To call the "hyena of Europe" "a neutral state" is "Viy Kravchuk" overdid it .. Marazmych and Parkinsonych whispered something to him.

He remembers seeing how the gentlemen dragged his ancestors by the forelocks ...

What else can you argue with?

[Black lotos]

Quote: xorek

He remembers seeing how the gentlemen dragged his ancestors by the forelocks ...

What else can you argue with?

Monument to Jan Sobieski in Lazienki
The monument in azienki is dedicated to the Viennese triumph of Jan Sobieski. It was erected in 1788 by the will of Stanislav August Poniatowski, the last king of Poland. The bronze model was created by André le Brun, and Franchisek Pink sculpted the sculpture in stone.
The monument depicts a king trampling the Ottomans with a horse. On the sides there are shields resting on captured Turkish weapons. The shields are carved with an inscription in Polish and Latin: Jan III, King of Poland and Grand Duke of Lithuania, defenders of the homeland and allies whom we lost in 1696. Stanislav August King. The year is 1788.
His army included Polish knights and Ukrainian Cossacks.
Minsk as a platform has not given anything over the entire period of its existence. And the disagreements between Belarus and the Russian Federation, Ukraine and Belarus, are making themselves felt. And Lukashenko was not recognized by the EU and Ukraine. So it is clear that Minsk will not be a platform.

[Ros 56]

In this regard, Makei has 100% support for the venue of the negotiations. Only one minus, on what these Bandera clowns will get to Antarctica, really on their inflatable cruisers?

[xorek]

Quote: Ros 56

In this regard, Makei has 100% support for the venue of the negotiations. Only one minus, on what these Bandera clowns will get to Antarctica, really on their inflatable cruisers?

They will swim, the current will endure))) They will not drown, the farts are swollen with them

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: xorek

They will swim, the current will endure))) They will not drown, the farts are swollen with them

It's not about farts. IT just doesn't sink ...