"Without Russia": Kiev announced a meeting of the "Norman Troika"

Kiev decided not to invite Russia to the meeting in the Normandy format, having made a three out of the four. As the adviser to the Ukrainian delegation in the Trilateral Contact Group on Donbass Oleksiy Arestovich said, the meeting is scheduled for the near future.

According to Arestovich, the meeting of the leaders of Ukraine, Germany and France will take place next week. At the same time, Ukraine does not expect anything from the meeting of the Normandy format advisers, which is scheduled for April 14.

There will be N3, that is, France, Germany and Ukraine (...) I think this is the question of the week, give or take

- he declared. Earlier, the leaders of Germany and France supported Ukraine.

The representative of Kiev in the TCG also said that Ukraine hopes for an OSCE meeting, which will assess the "actions of Russia."

Meanwhile, Ukraine is still hoping for NATO assistance in the event of a war with Russia. According to Lieutenant General of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Mikhail Zabrodsky, he would very much like to deploy an alliance division on Ukrainian territory, but he understands that NATO will not fight with Russia. At the same time, Kiev will accept alliance assistance in any form, including the provision of intelligence, the presence of ships in the Black Sea, information support and, of course, the allocation of funds.

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[Ilya-spb]

Gathered for three? And without Russia?
Not good...

Paris - they took it. Berlin was taken.
Kiev was liberated!

[Dmitry Donskoy]

The money is in the first place there. All this commotion is unrolled to give money to the outskirts.

[poquello]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

The money is in the first place there. All this commotion is unrolled to give money to the outskirts.

Zelya with a gang-watering can turns out to be ready for money with the hands of Russians to kill ukropeytsy, what to take from a stoned Jew?

[Vladimir Mashkov]

"Without Russia: Kiev announced a meeting of the Normandy Troika"

Something is very doubtful to me that it is Kiev that collects and builds France and Germany! Most likely, it is Merkel and Macron who summon Zela, a poor student, to the carpet!

As for the fact that "Ukraine hopes for the OSCE meeting, which will assess the" actions of Russia ", then, I suppose, this is an abandonment for the future, when there will be responding to Ukrainian "Russia's actions" and there will be an urgent need for the condemnation of these very actions by "the entire world democracy."

And yes! - Ukraine is going at a meeting to demand NATO assistance in present war with Russia (real help - to no avail ).

[poquello]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

Something is very doubtful to me that it is Kiev that collects and builds France and Germany! Most likely, it is Merkel and Macron who summon Zela, a poor student, to the carpet!

Yeah, but Erdogan summoned him)

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

when will there be a response to the Ukrainian "actions of Russia"

Duc, I really thought the RF Armed Forces approached the border, what kind of a howl from the EU and the USA is, and our camps are two hundred kilometers away, pt ...
, .. and dill IMHO gathered to stand still and provoke Russia with drones, the actions will be

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Dmitry Donskoy

The money is in the first place there. All this commotion is unrolled to give money to the outskirts.

I have a feeling that all these "formats" without our participation simply lose their meaning... The Skakly apparently forgot that they were part of the Russian Empire, not the French Republic ... And they NEVER existed as an independent state. They lived only in the USSR. Well, they are trying to live on their own ... they have been trying for 30 years ... Is Nishtyak coming out? Or do you have to turn to the rear to the staff? Well this is the Soviet Union fed "in the mouth". And the staff - quite the opposite have ... In the literal and figurative sense ...

[hirurg]

As far as I understand .. We, that is, Russia, now do not care what format, and who will decide what.
If there is a threat, we will beat.
And it hurts to hit.

[Ilya-spb]

That's right!
And you will have to hit hard, accurately and accurately.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Ilya-spb

And you will have to hit hard, accurately and accurately.

For all I will not say, even though the Army taught 30 years ago, I break through the liver with one blow. And I'll knock my head off with the right mawashi-geri. because

Quote: Ilya-spb

strong, precise and accurate.

[URAL72]

I'm sure the dill is already done. But one thing is clear - they were going to attack, otherwise Russia would not have made such maneuvers. There are still many of our people in Kiev, and many Truffaldinos who serve two or more masters. 30 pieces of silver are still currency ... So Volodya knows what he is doing and why.

[stalki]

As far as I understand .. We, that is, Russia, now do not care what format, and who will decide what.
If there is a threat, we will beat.
And it hurts to hit.

Exactly. And NATO will be a spectator

[hirurg]

You know, but your words to the point!
NATO will be a spectator.

[hirurg]

Jackals will wait for something to profit from.

[dauria]

If there is a threat, we will beat.
And it hurts to hit.

There is a threat for a long time. And more than real. Under this song "about the threat" the United States climbs into Ukraine with its feet. Try to kick it out later. And Donbass? Yes, let him remain in this status and further, who needs it.

[andrew42]

Here the episode from the movie "Finist - the Clear Falcon" was remembered at the most opportune time.
Watchman: Beat everyone at once?
Voivode (Pugovkin): No!
Watchman: Take turns?
Voivode (Pugovkin): What are you doing! These are ambassadors! -
- There were just 3 persons involved, - well, just a "Norman" embassy three-sided, - 3 bullies and Fingal.

[Alex Nevs]

What if a hybrid threat? Well, it is not clear whether they are there or not, they attacked or not, whether they are shooting or not, it is impossible to determine. That Our Wan (born in the war and killed in the war) will be buried more than once. And where the hell is ... hybrid? WHERE? Seven Years of this hybrid. AND FUNERAL Hybrid?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Ilya-spb

Gathered for three? And without Russia?
Not good.

It's just stupid ... A senseless act. What can these people solve ... without Russia? Air concussion.

[Incvizitor]

They don't decide anything at home either, Fashington puppets.

[hrych]

Quote: Ilya-spb

Gathered for three?

This very smart then would not call the Normandy format, this non-format On the other hand, he thinks that there will be support and money will be given, in fact they will be forced to fulfill the decisions of the NF, otherwise the point is generally ... And for some reason the Americans were not invited. The maneuvers of the Russian Federation had a strong effect, let's see how this story ends. Germany needs Russian gas, and France has Gaz de France - GDF (or rather it was, and merged into Engie SA with the Franco-Belgian SUEZ), which provided France with gas for three quarters, was the fifth player in the British market, etc., works on the market liquefied gas and it "needs" American LNG ... to put it mildly, not very much. Many people think that European gas producers are delighted with the Americans with their claim to the European market. And Engie still wants to become an investor in the Russian Federation, apparently they will give something ...

[Roma 1977]

It is necessary to tie up with liberation. Only take. And take for yourself, and not for everyone's happiness.

[Thrifty]

And why the senile was not invited? And then, the Yankees will be very offended that they were thrown, that the mongrels are knocked out aces! !!

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Thrifty

And why the senile was not invited? Otherwise, the Yankees will be very offended,

Everything has already been discussed with the US ambassador ...
D. Biden will be informed that HE was present at the meeting in Kiev ... for D. Biden this will be enough.
For us residents, D. Psaki will inform that D. Biden was present at the meeting in Kiev ... for us residents this will be enough.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Ilya-spb

Gathered for three? And without Russia?
Not good...

Fine. Now, within the framework of the previously reached agreements between Macron, Merkel and Putin (when they discussed Ukraine without Ukraine), the non-president Ze will be mercilessly ripped off in the tail and in the mane for the fact that "it" by its provocative actions exposes them to attack. Of course, they will voice on camera that they do not like Russia's actions, but in fact Ze will leave all in a plaster and green stuff. If we were discussing Russia without Russia, it would be bad, and so, the topic will revolve around the same Ukraine, which frankly pissed off everyone, but you have to deal with it. "put to sleep" in the owners hand does not rise. They are waiting for her to die.

[Sayan]

As the text says - Kiev will accept help in any form ... and in any position)))

[alex neym_2]

Especially in the "dollar" enema ...

[businessv]

Quote: Ilya-spb

Paris - they took it. Berlin was taken. Kiev was liberated!

For non-brothers, these are not facts at all, and even more so, not a guide to further actions. During the war, in Belarus there were an order of magnitude more partisan formations than in the independent, despite the huge difference in the number of territories and citizens, so you should not hope for the loyalty and decency of the stubborn ones. To discuss matters concerning Russia directly, but without its involvement in the negotiation process, is the height of insanity!

[knn54]

-and, of course, the allocation of funds.
Why be modest, IT is in the first place. Everything else is not subject to "scrapping".

[Prisoner]

So the troika has already been. Turn for a deuce. RF has already expressed its opinion. This means that Macron and Grandma-Fuhrer will meet. Little Ze can open doors and bring coffee.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Captive

Macron and Grandma-Fuhrer will meet. Little Ze can open doors and bring coffee.

Although in this composition the meeting loses its meaning, but I think that the Kid won't even be allowed to bring coffee there, but suddenly he will drop it ...

[Prisoner]

Really. It’s me that got excited. Cups, saucers, a tray and the coffee itself. What is the severity for a boy, "not a sucker" ?!

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Captive

Cups, saucers, a tray and the coffee itself. What is the severity for a boy, "not a sucker" ?!

Again, God forbid getting hurt? The West can't cope with blm, but here it is bleeding ho.hol and I'm afraid that the 404 country will not pay for porcelain at such an event, and the insurers will refuse ...

[novel66]

Well, can he cope with the role of a jester? Tramp

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: novel xnumx

Well, can he cope with the role of a jester?

Novel jester this is a very serious job as we know from history, it's not in the '95 quarter to stir up

[novel66]

one of the favorite literary heroes

on the right, naturally

[Pete mitchell]

Dumas, if I'm not mistaken. Rum, this is a classic, it requires brain strain ... and if you look at the 95th quarter, then the brains will quickly atrophy and then only

Quote: Captive

Cups, saucers, a tray and the coffee itself. What is the severity for a boy, "not a sucker" ?!

[Senior seaman]

Dear colleague, where is the shot from?
I suspect it's Shiko and Goranflo, but I'm not sure :)

[A_Mazkov]

Quote: Senior Sailor

Dear colleague, where is the shot from?
I suspect it's Shiko and Goranflo, but I'm not sure :)

"Countess de Monsoreau" (1971, France).
In the 90s, this television series was shown in Russia.

[novel66]

the best chiko in the world (in my opinion)

[VORON538]

A vagabond is too much for him, unworthy. So, bring it, bring it.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Captive

Little Ze can open doors and bring coffee.

Slippers.

[prior]

Insolent people should always be punished on time.
Impunity corrupts.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

And impunity, too, corrupts.

[Incvizitor]

The rodents were not completely destroyed, they sprinkled at 08 and these mice are now again insolent and others will also become impudent. It is necessary that no one leaves, then others will think before they become impudent.

[1536]

We need to get rid of the illusion that NATO will not fight Russia. Get rid of this illusion and remember the history of the wars that the countries of Western Europe waged against Russia over the past three hundred years.

[Tank hard]

Quote: 1536

We need to get rid of the illusion that NATO will not fight Russia. Get rid of this illusion and remember the history of the wars that the countries of Western Europe waged against Russia over the past three hundred years.

And what, all these 300 years, the countries of "Western Europe" and Russia had nuclear weapons? How do you see a military conflict with the use of nuclear weapons? Thinking of living in a "new era"?

[donavi49]

And that there used to be hundreds of cannons and shotguns firing 3 rounds per minute?
And that there were machine guns and millions of armies before?
And that there used to be thousands of planes, chemical bombs, which in the very first days will flood the city and die millions (but as it turned out - that you can fight without weapons of mass destruction).

Always before a major war, they argue that new weapons make the war itself impossible. And then once, and try.

[Tank hard]

Quote: donavi49

Always before a major war, they argue that new weapons make the war itself impossible. And then once, and try.

Well, of course, if some do not want to live, do not want their friends and descendants to live, then they can try. But it is difficult to believe that an individual who loves to spend a vacation in elite housing somewhere in a prestigious place, agree to change it to rotting in any bunker with a set of canned food and without any perspective from the word at all.

[gurzuf]

and what did you know before, how the use of machine guns will end? But now they know, those who are in command, than the use of Yao will end.

[kytx]

garbage, all these your cannons and machine guns, chemical weapons are garbage too (long to explain why). in fact, now Yao is the most humane. it is its presence that excludes global conflicts. it is a fact.
modern problems require modern solutions.

[Pensive Lawyer]

Previously, there was no nuclear weapons. Since its appearance, there has not been a single direct clash between the owner countries. And NATO will not start a meat grinder. Not because of a third world country

[alien]

Meanwhile, Ukraine is still hoping for NATO assistance in the event of a war with Russia.

Maybe Yakov Kedmi will instruct Zelensky:
"United States support will be in American newspapers, in the American media. Maybe they will announce prayer service for the salvation of Ukraine, which will quickly turn into a prayer service for memorization, a commemoration of that Ukraine, which no longer exists.
<...>
No one American a soldier will not fight for Ukraine. No one Polish a soldier will not fight for Ukraine. No one немецкий a soldier will not fight for Ukraine. No one румынский a soldier will not fight for Ukraine. Nobody will fight for Ukraine. I have news — half of the population of Ukraine is not going to fight for this Bandera government, which is sitting in Kiev. More than half of the population will not fight for these scumbagsthat will push them into conflict with Russia.
<...>
But they do not even know and do not understand the country in which they live, because in order to deceive their people so shamelessly, so brazenly, they must absolutely not understand and respect them and assume that the population of Ukraine consists of the same {swear words} as they are. Fortunately, this is not the case.
<...>
Now, if Biden, in response to all the pressure and requests, this provocation, when he called him, would say that we, Ukraine, we want to help you, we will send you a million doses of vaccines ... But he did not. He didn't even send ten doses."

https://ukraina.ru/interview/20210409/1031091651.html

[Egoza]

Maybe Yakov Kedmi will instruct Zelensky:

Will not help! Kedmi is SMART, and Zelensky .... censorship will not pass

[cniza]

According to Arestovich, the meeting of the leaders of Ukraine, Germany and France will take place next week.

You can meet, discuss anything, but without Russia you will not be able to solve and accomplish anything, Germany and France are well aware of this ...

[ANB]

... but without Russia you will not be able to solve and accomplish anything

Well, it depends on what you decide. If Merkel and Macron do not want war and set-ups, then they may well decide force Zelenskiy to stop shelling and fulfill agreements.
And Ukraine may well perform it's all on its own, without Russia.

[Reserve buildbat]

the skakuas announced to the whole world that they want to receive instructions from the owners and do not want Russia to find out about them

[BAI]

So Putin has already refused to even talk to Zelensky on the phone. And there was a statement from the Kremlin that the meeting is useless until Kiev changes its position. In order not to publicly run into a rejection - a meeting without Russia. Putin wouldn't go there anyway.

[silverwolf88]

can meet as much as you like BUT solutions without Russia all do not work together))) ... not a meeting, but a consultation for three ...

[rocket757]

Yes figs on them ...
They will ask him later, our own, not we, well, sho boy ZE, helped you "yours / ours", lie down / Sh / atniks and bo / Sh / and ???
Will show the people sho? A basket of promises, probably .....

[alien]

Quote: rocket757

Will show the people sho?

She has already appeared ...

Yakov Kedmi:
"- And what does Ukraine have today? All the promises, which were given to the Ukrainian people from 2014 until the last day, turned out to be unfulfilled. Neither the economy, nor the demographic situation, nor the social situation, nor health care, nor the absence of internal tension, political tension - none of this has been achieved... In each of this area, Ukraine is not even on the edge of the abyss, and already at the bottom.

And what is left when there is nothing and no chance to fix something? <...> then the people have to clog the brains... And what? An external enemy! And so they are told tales that now Muscovites will come, they will take their children into slavery <...> They hope that the people, intoxicated by frenzy and completely stunned by what is happening around, are a little distracted by this and will leave aside the struggle for him to begin to live at least as a human being. "
https://ukraina.ru/interview/20210409/1031091651.html

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

This question should be asked to the majority of Ukrainian citizens.

[Oleg Aviator]

And who are they to announce and dictate terms? They seized power by violating the constitution and turned the country into a colony. They didn’t decide to take a shit. Permission to run to the US Embassy. But the stench is raised. Until they start talking about an adult. And then they think to dump away while the fool and they will die for them. Like for the homeland. Already passed while Grushevsky was packing his suitcases, the rams tried to stop the Red Army. But the coat was not there. They did not stand on ceremony. With a dry account, we multiplied to zero. The loss of the Red Army is one or two wounded.

[iouris]

Now it will be easy: they will solve all the issues.

[petrol cutter]

"the presence of ships in the Black Sea, support in the information sphere and, of course, the allocation of funds."
The presence of Russian ships in the World Cup Karl! ...
This is nonsense.
The Black Sea Fleet is initially present and will be present at the Black Sea theater of operations.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Ukrainian politicians, ministers and negotiators are becoming shallow. One Arrested is what is worth .. An underachieved physician with a dubious reputation .. And about the deputies and talk, there is nothing. Or with a certificate, or from a clogged village. But, this is "the choice of the Ukrainian people." They know better because of the rural ditches. Once again I am convinced of the correctness of the words of General A.I.Denikin about "independent Ukraine".

[Pavlo pero]

Zhizha didn’t invite, and great. They will gather for three, there is nowhere to sit down shoes and stale socks will have to look.

[babylon]

I hope that the truce of the Georgian scenario will not happen again, I think they have drawn conclusions about what a truce is by Western standards, if the war is so to a victorious end

[steelmaker]

If this meeting takes place, it will be a savory slap in the face for Putin. There is nothing to wait, it is necessary to beat, on equipment that is not provided for by the Minsk agreements. And then let them meet.

[suhorukofal]

Exactly. And then everyone forgot something that Ukraine is pulling equipment to where it obviously should not be according to the Minsk agreements. Everything is as always, Ukraine violates the agreements and all these observers become sharply blind.

[Vlad5307]

Quote: Captive

So the troika has already been. Turn for a deuce. RF has already expressed its opinion. This means that Macron and Grandma-Fuhrer will meet. Little Ze can open doors and bring coffee.

And his grandmother will also wipe his snot and change the diaper!

[Viktor Sergeev]

And they are not tired of announcing, oh, announcing meetings?

[Gennady Fomkin]

Let me remind you that Libya was made under a kind of harmless "no-fly zone". In the event of a successful suppression of air defense exits, this weight of scrap metal will be burned for several days ...

[ROSS_51]

At Arestovich's, the last cuckoo flew off the roof, or what? Why did he decide that Ukraine generally has the potential to establish formats? That is precisely why the big uncles were going to decide, since Ukraine is not able to decide something on its own.

[paco.soto]

Neutral opinion: I read the article and comments: (due to the new VO format, you have to double-check all the information) now Gugel throws up information on all past searches. Already by the titles I remember - this Arestovich is criticized in the Ukrainian media space, as an anti-Ukrainian, just in case.

[Alexey Makarov]

Kiev decided not to invite Russia to the meeting in the Normandy format, making the four of the three

Kiev did not decide not to invite Russia to the meeting. Most likely, the investment will take place without the participation of Russia due to the fact that at this meeting, the heads of France and Germany will express to Ukraine their complete dissatisfaction with Kiev's actions. It was not without reason that a conversation between the heads of Russia, France and Germany was held earlier without the participation of Ukraine.

[Torpedo driver]

The pan-heads will forget about the Donbass to rock the boat! They understand perfectly well. that Russia piles on them such lulyi that these Banderlog will never recover again !!!

[Vlad Pervovich]

Wellcome ... I wonder what you will decide, the expansion of the Association Square?

[Barmal]

The main thing for all three of them is to choose the right ties for themselves.

[valley64]

Another stupid thing.
Judging by the statements from Kiev, the matter is moving towards the end of the project ona Ukraine

[Burtas]

And the Khazars all cannot calm down ... everyone begs with tears in their eyes ... the outskirts of the country ...