German ships in the Russian fleet

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German ships in the Russian fleet

Such a simple fact - in shipbuilding, Russia lagged behind the developed countries of the world, which determined much in the construction of a domestic fleet... And not only ships: mechanisms, artillery, instruments, civilian ships - a lot came from Germany. This tradition lasted until 1914. And then, after a break caused by the First World War, it was resumed again. And part of the Soviet fleet, just like the imperial one, had a German accent. And the last case of purchases of German ships fell on the 80s of the XX century ...

It is impossible to grasp the immensity, but it will be interesting to run through the most iconic ships that the Germans built or designed for us.



German-built destroyers


On August 23, 1885, he signed a contract for the construction of three steel destroyers for the Baltic Fleet. The cost of each was determined at 196 thousand German marks or 96,5 thousand rubles, the deadline for delivery - one at a time during May-July 1886.

On November 16, 1885, a contract was signed for the construction of the same ships for the Black Sea Fleet (total cost 555 rubles, delivery during March-April 224.)

The Shikhau company built destroyers for the German fleet, and it did not disappoint the Russian fleet with the Abo class - in 1886 our fleet received nine destroyers with a displacement of 87,5 tons and a speed of up to 21 knots. Of these, six destroyers were received by the Black Sea men, three - by the Baltic. "Abo" served until 1925, having managed to take part in the First World War as a messenger ship, in the Civil War - as part of the Volga Flotilla as a gunboat and a minesweeper, and in the postwar years - as a ship of the Marine Guard. Seven were decommissioned in 1910 due to obsolescence, and another in 1913.

They did not perform military feats, but they did not have a war on their youth. And so - reliable and advanced ships for their time. Moreover, two more destroyers were already built in Russia, in a collapsible version, for the needs of the Far East, where they took part in the Russo-Japanese War.

Then the Germans built two more destroyers for the Black Sea Fleet - "Adler" and "Anakria". The first of them reached a speed of 26,5 knots during testing, becoming at that time the fastest ship in the Russian fleet. As many as 10 destroyers were built according to the Anakria type at Russian shipyards. But the era of small destroyers was ending, and in addition to kids, large mine ships were needed.

The first mine cruisers of our fleet were built in Russia, but they were not very successful - "Lieutenant Ilyin" and "Captain Saken". According to the admiral Kaznakov's commission:

... "Lieutenant Ilyin" does not fully satisfy any of the goals indicated by his commander.

They were too weak and poorly seaworthy for a reconnaissance squadron and too slow-moving to destroy enemy destroyers.

After realizing this fact, an appeal to the Germans followed. And the Germans did not disappoint, remaking their project of a divisional destroyer (what they would later call the leader) to meet the needs of the RIF. In 1890, a 450-ton ship with a speed of 21 knots was handed over to the customer, which is not inferior in combat capabilities to the Ilyin, at a cost of 650 thousand marks (700 thousand - subsequent ones).

The series includes six ships: three - built by the Germans, three - at our shipyards. The ships served for a long time, took part in the Russo-Japanese and the First World War. And they carried the flags of the three fleets. Two cruisers became Japanese trophies and carried the flags of the Japanese fleet until 1914. Two in the First World War went to the Finns and survived as gunboats until 1937 and 1940, respectively.


In this story does not end. And in 1899, the same Shikhau, for the needs of the Far East, was building four Kasatka-class counter-destroyers. 350-ton destroyers became part of the First Squadron, passed the siege of Port Arthur (one was lost), served in the Siberian Flotilla, and in the First World War they moved to the Arctic Ocean. The Germans were written off only in 1925.

But that's not the whole story. During the Russo-Japanese War, the Germans were ordered another 10 counter-destroyers of the type "Mechanical Engineer Zverev", in fact, all the same "Killer Whales". And the order was completed. And with an eye on delivery to Vladivostok in disassembled form - for assembly already at the theater of operations.


The last mine ships were mine cruisers, ordered in the same period in Germany. This time to the Vulcan firm.

In total, 24 ships of slightly different types have been built in Germany and Russia. Our first truly seaworthy destroyers with a displacement of up to 820 tons, they formed the backbone of the mine forces of the Baltic Fleet. Four were built for the Black Sea with original armament of 1 - 129/45 mm and 5 - 75/50 mm.

Ships in 1914 fought in the Baltic, in the Caspian, in the Black Sea, four of them survived the Second World War as gunboats ...

It is difficult to overestimate the role of the Germans in the formation of our mine forces; it is easier to call it invaluable. In addition to building ships and developing projects, the Germans, for example, supplied steam turbines for Novik.

Moreover, as a rule, due to reliability and operational simplicity, German ships were long-livers, remaining in service for more than forty years.

Cruisers



In addition to destroyers and torpedo boats, the Germans built excellent cruisers for us.

This is a pair of six-thousanders "Bogatyr and Askold", and a scout - "Novik", and their domestic development in the amount of five pieces (three - "Bogatyr", two - "Novik"). Of the eight cruisers, two were built for the Black Sea, and went through the First World War. "Cahul" under the name "Comintern" as a minesag took part in the Great Patriotic War. Little-known fact - during its restoration they used part of the mechanisms of the series' progenitor - "Bogatyr". "Askold" went through the Russo-Japanese War, took part in the hunt for "Emden", the Dardanelles operation, served in the SLO flotilla ...

"Novik" is the only cruiser of the First Pacific, which continued the breakthrough after the battle in the Yellow Sea and reached Sakhalin. "Emerald" - broke through on the morning of May 15, 1905, past the entire Japanese fleet.

This is all known and described for a long time.

Much less is written about the fact that the history of the German cruisers of the Russian fleet is far from over.

Meet - "Elbing" and "Pillau", they are "Admiral Nevelsky" and "Muravyov-Amursky".

The RIF shipbuilding program, adopted in 1912, provided for the construction of two cruisers for the Siberian Flotilla. The competition was won by Nevsky Zavod. But the fastest construction speed and low cost were guaranteed by the Shikhau company, which has long been familiar to the Russian admirals.

The ships were thought to be interesting - with a planned displacement of 4000 tons, they had to carry 8 130/55 guns, four antiaircraft guns and rails for setting mines. The speed was supposed to be 28 knots, the range - 4 miles. The lead cruiser was to be delivered on July 300, 15.

But, alas, they did not have time. And practically finished ships entered the German fleet. The first of them went through the war in the Baltic, the Battle of Jutland, the second battle at Helgoland and the sailor uprising. After the war, it was transferred to Italy in order to serve there until 1943, when it was flooded by its own crew, but raised by the Germans. True, it was not destiny for the old cruiser to again resemble the German flag, and it was quietly dismantled for metal. The fate of the second is shorter - in the Battle of Jutland, he fired the first salvo, but at night he was rammed by the battleship Posen and sank.

For the next 25 years, it was not up to the export of ships to the Germans, whose fleet, thanks to Versailles, shrank to an indecent size, and not to buy us, all the forces were taken by overcoming the consequences of the Civil and industrialization. But as soon as the restoration of the fleets began, cooperation was resumed.

As far as cruisers are concerned, this is, of course, the Luttsov, a heavy cruiser sold by the USSR in February 1940. In some ways, he repeated the fate of "Elbing" and "Pillau", except that General Secretary Stalin, taught by the bitter experience of Tsar Nicholas, carried out the completion in Leningrad. At the start of the war, the ship was 70% ready and, despite this, raised the flag and opened fire when the German troops approached the city. After the war, there were plans for its completion, but obsolescence and high cost transferred it first to the category of an eternal unfinished, then a training non-self-propelled ship, and later - a floating barracks. Nevertheless, the ship made its contribution to our victory and brought undoubted benefits to the fleet, both military and technical - as an example of the latest German shipbuilding.

The history of Soviet-German cooperation in the construction of cruisers ends with an interesting project 69I. The Germans, in connection with the refusal to build new battleships, formed six extra two-gun turrets with 380/52 mm guns. We were building two large cruisers of Project 69, the three-gun turrets for which, like the guns themselves, were developed by the Barricades plant. And he did it - not really. In the sense: in theory - there was everything, but in practice - nothing but drawings. In this light, Krupp's proposal to buy the towers really came to court, and in November 1940 a contract was signed. Alas, not fulfilled. A large cruiser armed with three twin-turrets, similar to those of the Bismarck, could turn out to be very curious.

Rest



There were other ships, and other projects, and submarines: from "Trout" to the famous "S". There were trophies after the defeat of Germany: both status trophies - in the form of the cruiser "Admiral Makarov" (ex-"Nuremberg"), and useful ones - like the PL 21 series.

The last German project in the service of the Navy of the USSR and the Russian Federation was the IPC project 1331M. 12 ships entered service from 1986 to 1990. Built with performance characteristics, initially worse than their Soviet counterparts, they turned out to be unexpectedly reliable and durable. Six ships of this type are still serving in the Baltic Fleet. In this sense, nothing has changed over the century - German technology is extremely reliable and unpretentious. And the one that is being built for themselves, and the one that they are building for export.

I realize that the article is incomplete. But cooperation on GEM requires no less space. The same amount for artillery. And then there were instruments, ship seaplanes, civilian ships ...

Russia also cooperated with other countries, primarily with France, Italy and England. And this is normal - you cannot be strong in everything.

Still, our most successful ships of foreign projects are German. This does not mean that we copied the Germans - their projects were reworked according to our needs. And the heir could differ from the prototype, as, for example, in the pair "Novik" - "Pearl".

We did not copy, we studied. And fact is fact: in the current Russian fleet, in our design school, there is a drop of German blood. And I will not say that this is bad. After all, the German technical school (in contrast to their political ideas) is simply brilliant.
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    1. +1
      April 12 2021 05: 06
      Meet - "Elbing" and "Pillau", they are "Admiral Nevelsky" and "Muravyov-Amursky" ...
      ... But, alas, they did not have time. And practically finished ships entered the German fleet.
      Served very well, yes.
      1. 0
        10 July 2021 16: 37
        Yeah, and then the Italians.
    2. +9
      April 12 2021 05: 23
      In addition to building ships and developing projects, the Germans, for example, supplied steam turbines for Novik.
      Alas, they seem to have helped in the development of Novikov ...
      1. +5
        April 12 2021 05: 27
        Yes, it doesn't look like it, but exactly ...
        1. 0
          10 July 2021 16: 38
          Novik had German boilers and turbines.
    3. +15
      April 12 2021 05: 51
      The last German project in the service of the Navy of the USSR and the Russian Federation was the IPC of project 1331M.


      German technology is extremely reliable and unpretentious.

      Yes, just beautiful ships turned out. I remember that everyone went on an excursion - everything was so convenient and functional it was thought out for the service and everyday life of the crew! Great ship!
      1. +6
        April 12 2021 19: 06
        in the Murmansk shipping company there were Gdrovsk-built ice-class ships "commanders and bandits" (dmitriy donskoy, ivan bohun) with and without cranes, everything inside is for people excellent habitability, and compared to the Soviet-built earth and sky, only Finnish type Norilsk is better
    4. +7
      April 12 2021 06: 59
      The article is very crumpled. Unfortunately, the captured German ships inherited by the USSR after the Second World War are not covered in any way.
      1. +1
        April 12 2021 08: 12
        Quote: Tucan
        The captured German ships inherited by the USSR after the Second World War are not covered in any way.

        This is a very voluminous material. It should be broken down by ship types and countries.
        1. 0
          10 July 2021 16: 39
          If you list all the German ships, auxiliary ships, and so on that the USSR got after 1945, this is a small book, if very concise.
      2. +1
        April 12 2021 09: 34
        Quote: Tucan
        Unfortunately, the captured German ships inherited by the USSR after the Second World War are not covered in any way.

        There is an article on the net on all captured ships and vessels.
        1. 0
          April 12 2021 11: 16
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Tucan
          Unfortunately, the captured German ships inherited by the USSR after the Second World War are not covered in any way.

          There is an article on the net on all captured ships and vessels.

          There is Berezhny's reference book "Trophies and Reparations of the USSR Navy". Everything is laid out there. I don't see any sense in retelling it in VO.
    5. +2
      April 12 2021 08: 07
      As far as cruisers are concerned, this is, of course, the Luttsov, a heavy cruiser sold by the USSR in February 1940.


      There was another Lyuttsov - the former Deutschland, renamed in May 1940 after the sale of "that very" Lyuttsov to the USSR. Luttsov's combat work, of course, was not bright, although he managed to take part in the Norwegian operation, went out to intercept the famous PQ-17, but did not make it, together with Hipper he attacked the convoy JW-51B, but the escort lightweights fought back, and Hitler tore and threw on this occasion. So, in May 45, the cruiser was damaged by Allied aircraft in Swinemunde and sunk by the crew. A year later, it was raised and in September 46th enlisted in the Red Banner Baltic Fleet, mothballed and handed over to the rear of the fleet for storage. A year later it was flooded due to the futility of repair and maintenance and was excluded from the lists of the fleet.
      1. +1
        April 12 2021 18: 49
        Epitaph, hello. hi

        "Deutschland" also attended the Spanish Civil War, was attacked by two (?) Republican SB-2 aircraft (one with our crew) and received two bomb hits. Naturally, there were no fatal injuries, but 31 people were killed and 78 more sailors were injured.
        A friend of mine in the early seventies was "on exchange" in Spain through the Central Committee of the Komsomol, so the only souvenir he brought was a record of the parade in Madrid in honor of the victory over the Republicans. I still remember the speech of the representative of Germany: "Fuehrer Adolf Hitler, Grandadmiral Raeder und Deutsche Folk ...", and then that the communist aggression was "thrown back" (abbreviated). It is interesting that the speaker mentioned Raeder, but did not say a word about Goering, although the Condor Legion worked there unlike the German fleet.
        Here, I suddenly remembered. smile
        1. 0
          April 20 2021 09: 50
          Goering offended. What are not good byaki
    6. +9
      April 12 2021 08: 07
      I realize that the article is incomplete.

      Yes, even the author's surname is missing. Against the background of the growing deficit for decent content on the site, why should the author, instead of a hasty jog, take up a normal cycle, such as "German firms in the Russian shipbuilding market of the 1876th - 1878th centuries" After all, here only about "Shihau" and the case of "Mühlgraben shipyard" you can write several articles. After all, the first torpedo boat, "Carbine", "Shikhau built for the RIF back in XNUMX. Then, in XNUMX, destroyers of the" Bomba "type were built.

      1878 Shipyard in Elbing. Torpedo boats for Russia.
      Perhaps an unknown author will think about a sequel?
      1. +3
        April 12 2021 11: 25
        Yes, even the author's surname is missing. Against the background of the growing shortage of decent content on the site, why not the author, instead of a hasty run, take up the normal cycle ...

        Blinding such an article quickly is much easier than making a full cycle.
    7. +2
      April 12 2021 08: 31
      It is interesting that despite the most difficult foreign policy situation, Russia has always found the opportunity to cooperate with foreign firms for its own benefit. England, France, Germany, the United States, and this is only "on a large scale." Even the USSR, being in a difficult situation, found an opportunity to seriously strengthen due to cooperation with Italy. It is a matter of serious regret that now the resinous country is quarreled with the whole world ...
    8. +4
      April 12 2021 08: 59
      "Lieutenant Ilyin" and "Captain Saken". According to the admiral Kaznakov's commission:

      ..."Lieutenant Ilyin" does not fully satisfy any of the goals indicated by his commander.

      They were too weak and poorly seaworthy for a reconnaissance squadron and too slow-moving to destroy enemy destroyers.

      After realizing this fact, an appeal to the Germans followed. And the Germans did not disappoint, having remade his divisional destroyer project for the needs of the RIF (what will be called the leader much later). In 1890, a 450-ton ship with a speed of 21 knots was delivered to the customer, in combat capabilities not inferior to "Ilyin",


      Strange approach. The Russian ship is unsuccessful and does not meet the requirements, so the Germans ordered a ship that is not inferior to him in terms of combat capabilities recourse
      1. Alf
        -1
        April 12 2021 22: 09
        Quote: Constanty
        Strange approach. The Russian ship is unsuccessful and does not meet the requirements, so the Germans ordered a ship that is not inferior to him in terms of combat capabilities

        Perhaps the "German" turned out to be trite cheaper.
        1. +1
          April 13 2021 10: 40
          Even if that were the case (which I doubt, because buying weapons abroad is usually more expensive), what is the point of ordering another ship that does not meet the requirements? Even if it's cheaper, the money is still wasted.
          1. Alf
            +2
            April 13 2021 20: 01
            Quote: Constanty
            because buying weapons abroad is usually more expensive

            Aurora, Diana, Pallada, built in Russia, -6,4 million rubles.
            Askold, Germany, -5 million
            Varyag, USA, -6 mln.
            Bogatyr, Germany, -5,5 million rubles.
            The ships built in the Republic of Ingushetia cost the treasury more EXPENSIVE than those built there.
            I won't even compare the quality of construction and performance characteristics of Our and Theirs of that time ...
            Quote: Constanty
            What is the point of ordering another ship that does not meet the requirements?

            I will answer with the words of Boyarsky from the movie Man from the Boulevard of Capuchins-Corruption, my friend, corruption ..
            The French guns adopted by the RI army were worse and more expensive in terms of performance than the Krupp guns, also offered at the competition, but everything was decided by the French lobby in Russia ...
            1. +1
              April 14 2021 10: 06
              Aurora, Diana, Pallada, built in Russia,-6,4 million rubles.


              The price of the Aurora is really shocking - all the more so when a person reads that the price of the most power plants for the cruisers Pallada and Diana is 2,3 million rubles each.
              1. Alf
                -1
                April 14 2021 19: 34
                Quote: Constanty
                Aurora, Diana, Pallada, built in Russia,-6,4 million rubles.


                The price of the Aurora is really shocking - all the more so when a person reads that the price of the most power plants for the cruisers Pallada and Diana is 2,3 million rubles each.

                And this is despite the fact that with the same launching time and the same displacement, the performance characteristics of Russian-built cruisers and foreign ones differed like heaven and earth, especially if we compare such indicators as weapons and speed.
    9. 0
      April 12 2021 09: 09
      Thanks to the author. Very interesting article.
    10. +3
      April 12 2021 10: 06
      This moment in the article smiled! (After the war, there were plans to complete it, but obsolescence and high cost transferred it first to the category of an eternal unfinished, then a training non-self-propelled ship, and later a floating barracks.)
      Luttsov at the end of the war was not obsolete from the word vaabsche!
      Just at the time of the end of the war, the factories that produced the MSA and other systems for him were either destroyed or were not in our zone of occupation. Therefore, the restoration of Lutzov and the former Deutschland did not take place!
      And so in terms of the aggregate performance characteristics, it surpassed our new cruisers of the 68th project by a head!
    11. +4
      April 12 2021 15: 53
      The RIF shipbuilding program, adopted in 1912, provided for the construction of two cruisers for the Siberian Flotilla. The competition was won by Nevsky Zavod. But the fastest construction speed and low cost were guaranteed by the Shikhau company, which has long been familiar to the Russian admirals.

      With the Nevelskys, everything was a little more complicated. It was not the cost and timing of the construction of the KRLs themselves, but the fact that only on condition of their order from Shihau did the German company agree to reduce the price of Noviki for the construction of its Riga branch, the Mühlgraben shipyard. Moreover, the "German dumping" forced the rest of the "new construction" factories to drop prices by about 20%.
      1. 0
        April 13 2021 12: 40
        only on condition of their order from "Shihau" did the German company agree to reduce the price of "Noviki" for the construction of its Riga branch, the Mühlgraben shipyard.


        ... while the Mühlgraben "Hoglands" were rare junk. It is clear that the Germans did not want to bother and remake their project of a "budget" destroyer for Russian conditions and requirements, but in fact - low longitudinal strength and near-zero survivability when at least something explosive gets into the area of ​​KO and MO. Perhaps it is good that they could not be completed.
    12. 0
      April 13 2021 05: 29
      "Novik" - the only cruiser of the First Pacific, which continued the breakthrough after the battle in the Yellow Sea

      Not this way.
      The cruiser Askold left for Shanghai after the battle.
      The cruiser Diana left for Saigon after the battle.
      The author, do not undertake to cover issues in which you are incompetent.
    13. 0
      April 23 2021 19: 34
      They forgot about the destroyers of the Ukraine and Novik types being built according to German projects, as well as about the Svetlana-type cruiser (it is too much like Elbig (Admiral Nevelskoy) only with a larger displacement), and they completely forgot about the C-type submarines of the IX series, pure German women bis series created according to German drawings.
    14. 0
      26 October 2021 17: 27
      They forgot to mention the German unloading scows, bought in 1939-1940 and became gunboats of the Baltic Fleet.

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