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Russian air defense missile system "Pantsir-C1" of the Serbian army capsized near Belgrade

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In Serbia, the Russian Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile-gun system (ZRPK), belonging to the Serbian army, has tipped over on its side. Writes about this local edition Mondo.


The accident with the Pantsir-S1 air defense missile system occurred while driving along the bypass road around Belgrade while driving to the Pasulyanske Livade military training ground. For some unknown reason, the complex drove off the road and toppled over on its side. The accident caused traffic to stop and traffic jams. It is reported that three Serbian soldiers were injured as a result of the accident, but there is no complete information on their condition.

It is also noted that after overturning the complex, one anti-aircraft missile fell on the road. This fact led to the fact that initially all the media reported about the accident of a truck carrying "three missiles" for the Pantsir-C1 complex of the Serbian army.


Recall that the Serbian army is armed with 6 Pantsir-S1 air defense missile systems purchased from Russia. The first complexes were delivered by the military transport aviation Aerospace Forces of Russia at the airfield in Batainitsa at the beginning of last year.

On April 7, the Ministry of Defense of Serbia announced the conduct of the demonstration exercises of the Pantsir-C1 air defense missile system at one of the training grounds of the military department. The calculations worked out the occupation of the firing line from the movement, bringing to readiness, the work of the calculations in the command vehicle and in combat vehicles, as well as the work of the technical department to troubleshoot the fiber-optic system of the complex. Defense Minister Nebojsa Stefanovic watched the exercise.
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  1. sergo1914
    sergo1914 April 9 2021 16: 16
    +5
    Foolishly you can break a crowbar
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather April 9 2021 16: 21
      +28
      and will fall more than once ... such a structure. Alas.
      1. Lykases1
        Lykases1 April 9 2021 16: 23
        0
        Perhaps you are right
      2. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan April 9 2021 16: 32
        +25
        On the Emirates Armor chassis MAN-SX45 (8x8), the Arabs immediately abandoned the KAMAZ chassis due to instability. Photo of 2019. Vladivostok.
      3. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy April 9 2021 16: 33
        +6
        Quote: Dead Day
        and will fall more than once ... such a structure. Alas.

        You are not right. The design is conventional - high CG. It is necessary to observe the speed limit. Perhaps ours wrote in the manual: allows 60 km, 80 km, 100 km / h. Serbia is mountains! We also collapsed at the junction. fool fault, not design.
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I April 9 2021 16: 43
          +2
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Serbia is mountains!

          I remember ... I remember these mountains and mountain roads, although how many years have passed! In some places it was "exciting" to be in the car ...
        2. loki565
          loki565 April 9 2021 16: 47
          0
          It is necessary to limit the speed to 60 km, otherwise they drive on the track as they want.
          1. Charik
            Charik April 10 2021 15: 09
            0
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WShRAh0y2TM&t=40s
        3. bayard
          bayard April 9 2021 17: 20
          +13
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          You are not right. The design is conventional - high CG.

          And yet the design is unsuccessful, as many have noted for a long time. But no other chassis was invented for them ... unfortunately. Here they fall.
          And the reasons can be different - a violation of the speed limit, someone cut off on the road, a bump or other road anomaly, an inexperienced driver. But the fact of the matter is that the chassis design does not forgive THIS. So if they were built like that, you need to handle ... gently.
          And it is very serious to instruct the drivers.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach April 9 2021 17: 27
            +10
            But no other chassis was invented for them ... unfortunately

            So it seems like they showed the Pantsir-SM on the BAZ, lower chassis
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx April 9 2021 17: 53
              +17
              Quote: alexmach
              So it seems like they showed the Pantsir-SM on the BAZ, lower chassis

              Yes, there are two options:




              I see no reason for heated discussions of the design. The skill of the driver plays an important role here. However, my judgment is that military equipment should keep a lateral roll. In my memory, there were two versions of the R-142N and R-142D. The squatness of the latter (the landing version) simply amazed by overcoming the landscapes of the plateau.
              It was necessary to provide that not every "gasket" will have brains and dexterity.
              1. PSih2097
                PSih2097 April 9 2021 20: 22
                +16
                The most stable variant of the Carapace ... wink soldier

                Although this chassis with certain "conduits" you can put the car on the tower.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 April 9 2021 21: 03
                  0
                  Such a chassis costs 117 million rubles, three times more expensive than the Kamazovsky.
                  1. PSih2097
                    PSih2097 April 9 2021 21: 45
                    +6
                    but stable, and if Bryansk were given the go-ahead for production, it would be 1,5 times cheaper, but the "stool" stabbed, and not only the Bryansk goose, but also the Belarusian one, therefore "Pantsir" remained exclusively on a wheeled chassis and in Large air defense ...
                    Plus, do not forget about the military air defense (they wanted to push it there too), although there Tunguska can be upgraded indefinitely ...
                  2. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis April 10 2021 07: 33
                    +2
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    Such a chassis costs 117 million rubles, three times more expensive than the Kamazovsky.

                    How much more stable? And that means more combat readiness! Economy and the army are not compatible things ... You save money, you lose lives .. So in everything from uniforms to space ... Who will be able to combine these incompatible things -Money and the Army. that genius!
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 April 10 2021 18: 38
                      0
                      Unfortunately, the thoughtless waste of funds on the defense industry was one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR ..
              2. Private-K
                Private-K April 10 2021 07: 20
                +5
                Quote: ROSS 42
                In my memory, there were two versions of the R-142N and R-142D.

                You served in the Airborne Forces on the R-142D?

                Quote: ROSS 42
                not every "gasket" will have brains and dexterity.

                pay attention to the location of the accident. Excellent smooth dry road, no those bumps and bumps. To drive "at speed" and even, probably, to make abrupt rearrangements in the ranks - IMHO, that's the cause of the accident. In my opinion, only the driver of the "Pantsir" is to blame. For the same reasons, heavy-duty wagons are overturned.
            2. bayard
              bayard April 9 2021 21: 03
              +5
              Quote: alexmach
              So it seems like they showed the Pantsir-SM on the BAZ, lower chassis

              This is the next modification, with a more powerful radar and missile range, it has already taken into account the jambs of metacentricity.
            3. Grognag
              Grognag April 10 2021 16: 58
              +1
              Nuuuu, in this case, the radish crap is not sweeter, the base is still a thing
          2. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan April 9 2021 21: 09
            +3
            And yet the design is unsuccessful, many have noted this for a long time. But no other chassis was invented for them ... unfortunately.


            The design is not good? Seriously?!

            Ordinary trucks, when with a load it happens to fall on their side, is this also an unsuccessful design?

            The tank has a good design, but all the equal manage to turn it over too.

            I suppose that the Carapace on the Kamaz chassis was made specially so that it could be accommodated in the Il-76, the chassis can be made wider, only this ZRPK will not fit into the Il-76, but only in the An-120, of which we do not have so many and which are not produced in our country now and which already have something to carry (S-400, for example).
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 April 9 2021 22: 00
              0
              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              The design is not good? Seriously?!

              the most successful ZRPK chassis is tracked ...
              And the fact that a coup on the side or supine is the right to deprive him for life and cut off his hands to the elbow.
              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
              but only in An-120,

              An-124 "Ruslan", there is also "Mriya" - for the time being at 404, not for long, with their efforts ...
              1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                Ratmir_Ryazan April 9 2021 23: 44
                +1
                The tracked platform is not as mobile as the wheeled platform.
            2. bayard
              bayard April 9 2021 22: 46
              +6
              Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

              The design is not good? Seriously?!

              Ordinary trucks, when with a load it happens to fall on their side, is this also an unsuccessful design?

              A combat vehicle, it's still not a wagon. Yes, and on the Tatra chassis, the same Pantsir does not roll over like that. This means that it was possible in this configuration to modify the suspension to the level of the "Tatra". After all, the production continues, and is exported.
              And the fact that drivers should be beaten like sidor goats for breaking the speed limit, especially when maneuvering, on slopes, on unstable (soft) soils, that's for sure.
              And the commanders need to do this.
              1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                Ratmir_Ryazan April 9 2021 23: 40
                +1
                The carapace can be placed on any platform if desired, but not all of them are made in Russia and not all of them will fit into the aircraft of the military transport aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

                And we need the platform to be from Russia and fit into the plane, and maybe into the Mi-26 helicopter.
                1. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx April 10 2021 05: 02
                  +3
                  Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
                  And we need the platform to be from Russia and fit into the plane, and maybe into the Mi-26 helicopter.

                  Such?

                  Or maybe you should start preparing the driver's staff for this type of equipment? Maybe we should not approach this problem from the position of “we need to intermeddle”, but take care that the KAMAZ base does not fully meet the requirements of the Pantsir location, without reservations? Surely, bringing the chassis to a finished product is easier than being surprised by such incidents every time?
                  1. Ratmir_Ryazan
                    Ratmir_Ryazan April 10 2021 10: 34
                    +2
                    Perhaps one should not approach this problem from the position of "we need to intermeddle", but take care that the KAMAZ base does not fully meet the requirements for the "Pantsir" location, without reservations?


                    The armor is made on the basis of Kamaz, so that it can be transferred by plane, given the size of our country, this is extremely important for us.

                    Kamaz also regularly wins the Dakar rally and does not roll over.

                    And MAZ does not suit us, today Belarus is with us, and tomorrow it will be in NATO, we will be left without a chassis at all.

                    And drivers, yes, you need to prepare more carefully, and not formally, putting everyone behind the wheel indiscriminately. The driver must understand what kind of equipment he has and what features of its operation.

                    Cars and trucks, both loaded and empty, are involved in road accidents. Is that the fault of the design ?! No, this is sloppy driving and the same with the Carapaces when they get into an accident.
          3. Fierce73
            Fierce73 April 10 2021 17: 17
            0
            How could other chassis not be invented? There are successful projects for the installation of "Pantsir" on the BAZ chassis, just the lobby of KAMAZ puts its units wherever they can, which, unfortunately, affects the combat and operational properties of our military equipment !!! This issue has already been discussed more than once (after each rollover, which, unfortunately, is already too much)
            , but things are still there, apparently KAMAZ's tentacles are deeply seated in the bowels of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation!
        4. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk April 9 2021 18: 06
          +13
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Here fool is to blame, not the design.

          Judging by the photo, the car did not leave the road, the article was lied to, and the road is flat. This is not the first time a Patsir has been overturned. What kind of war machine is this if it demands such gentle treatment? During the OBD, will it be obligatory on flat roads and will it drive at the speed of a pedestrian?
          Obviously, the design is not finalized.
          1. venik
            venik April 9 2021 20: 04
            +7
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            What kind of war machine is this if it demands such gentle treatment?

            ========

            Indeed: "What kind of combat vehicle is it if it demands such gentle treatment??"
            PS Well, if there are no brains ( fool ) - then anything can be overturned, even a tank!!:

          2. konstantin68
            konstantin68 April 9 2021 20: 06
            -1
            During the OBD, it will just drive at the speed of a pedestrian.
            And in peacetime, such equipment should be transported on a trawl, and not along the highway with a breeze.
            And lastly, if you know the design features of the entrusted equipment, you will take them into account.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk April 9 2021 22: 18
              +4
              Quote: konstantin68

              And lastly, if you know the design features of the entrusted equipment, you will take them into account.

              And therefore, you will refuse to go to cover the military unit because the road does not allow you to go there, in one place there is a side slope of 3 *
              Good technique. laughing
          3. Grits
            Grits April 9 2021 20: 19
            +1
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Obviously, the design is not finalized.

            Most likely, it is not the design that matters, but the choice of chassis.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk April 9 2021 22: 11
              +1
              Quote: Gritsa
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Obviously, the design is not finalized.

              Most likely, it is not the design that matters, but the choice of chassis.

              And the chassis, is it something separate from the whole structure?
              1. Grits
                Grits April 10 2021 02: 34
                +1
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                And the chassis, is it something separate from the whole structure?

                I meant the design of the unit itself, mounted on a high chassis.
        5. not main
          not main April 10 2021 00: 29
          -2
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Quote: Dead Day
          and will fall more than once ... such a structure. Alas.

          You are not right. The design is conventional - high CG. It is necessary to observe the speed limit. Perhaps ours wrote in the manual: allows 60 km, 80 km, 100 km / h. Serbia is mountains! We also collapsed at the junction. fool fault, not design.

          I completely agree! Take timber trucks, but their center of mass is not lower than that of PANTSIR, but they very rarely "fall"! The whole question is in frames! And if "conscript", what are the questions?
      4. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter April 9 2021 16: 34
        +6
        Quote: Dead Day
        and will fall more than once ... such a structure. Alas.

        Therefore, the Arabs ordered on the MAN platform, I already wrote about this, so the lovers of non-analogue fusion threw kakakhami laughing
        1. loki565
          loki565 April 9 2021 16: 55
          +11
          Yes, yes, only Arabs usually transport shells along the route on trawls, here are the fools)))
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk April 9 2021 22: 09
            -1
            Quote: loki565
            Yes, yes, only Arabs usually transport shells along the route on trawls, here are the fools)))

            Yes, they transported them and laughed - what a clumsy Russian, they made wheeled vehicles so that they need to be transported on trawls. laughing
        2. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan April 9 2021 21: 15
          -1
          Therefore, the Arabs ordered on the MAN platform, I already wrote about this, so the lovers of non-analogue kakakhami threw themselves laughing


          The Arabs can choose whatever they want, but we need our own chassis and so that it can then be transferred by plane.

          Here the Armor on the Kamaz chassis is included in the Il-76, but make it wider, as it is advised here on the BAZA chassis, then only An-120 Ruslan will have to carry it by air, which are not produced in our country and there are not so many of them left in service.

          So that the chassis of Kamaz is optimal.

          Civilian trucks are also overturned, only the fault is not the designers, but as a rule the drivers.
          1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
            Sergey Aleksandrovich April 9 2021 23: 28
            +1
            Not only the fault of the drivers, the road must have a slope that prevents overturning when cornering. Often there is no slope, the road is strictly horizontal, at turns provoking the overturning and rolling of the load.
      5. volodimer
        volodimer April 9 2021 16: 35
        +6

        A picture similar to the one that we observed in Vladivostok. The chassis was clearly unsuccessful. I remember then many copies were broken about this.
        1. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan April 9 2021 16: 53
          +8
          In Sochi, on the Pantsir highway, it also turned over at a bend
        2. Sergey Aleksandrovich
          Sergey Aleksandrovich April 9 2021 23: 31
          0
          At a bend, judging by the photo, at a sharp bend there is no slope of the roadway that prevents overturning, or even a slope to the other side, which helps to fall on its side.
          Alas, the builders of our roads have an almost incurable disease. Although there is a cure for dementia, it has long been invented.
        3. Xscorpion
          Xscorpion April 10 2021 10: 34
          0
          Quote: volodimer

          A picture similar to the one that we observed in Vladivostok. The chassis was clearly unsuccessful. I remember then many copies were broken about this.

          The chassis is normal and fits into the air transport, which is paramount. The matter is in the gasket between the steering wheel and the seat. And "craftsmen-vodiatly" turn everything, starting from tanks and BMPs. And this happens several times a year. Even the "Poplar" is laid on its side. And here, on a single occasion, several years ago, experts decided that the chassis was unstable.
        4. Coward
          Coward April 11 2021 08: 13
          0
          There was a subsidence of the roadway not indicated by a sign. After this accident, the road workers immediately installed signs "uneven road" and a speed limit of 40.
      6. venik
        venik April 9 2021 18: 40
        -1
        Quote: Dead Day
        and will fall more than once ... such a structure. Alas.

        ========
        In our week, a truck on the outskirts of the city overturned - "Mercedes" ... "This design", alas!
        fool
      7. Alien From
        Alien From April 10 2021 10: 36
        +2
        I agree with Dedka! This is not the first time such a story. Center of gravity too high for this chassis.
    2. Andrey Korotkov
      Andrey Korotkov April 9 2021 16: 59
      +5
      Quote: sergo1914
      Foolishly you can break a crowbar

      hi I support your comments in the majority +, but here, my friend, you were in a hurry (hype), minus mine, no offense, foolishly break the crowbar, try it. The shell on the car chassis! Here container ships become cancer from the wind, and you are a direct witness of a road accident drinks
    3. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev April 9 2021 17: 07
      +4
      There is such a nuance, the Carapace loves to roll over.
      1. Andrey Korotkov
        Andrey Korotkov April 9 2021 17: 24
        0
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        There is such a nuance, the Carapace loves to roll over.

        Yes, yes, I agree. In the UAE on the Man's chassis it is easier in the desert, they have houses + Libya.
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev April 9 2021 17: 29
          +3
          We brought them from Tula for export, after 200 kilometers it turned over either two or three.
    4. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 April 9 2021 17: 23
      -1
      Quote: sergo1914
      Foolishly you can break a crowbar

      And let me give you a crowbar, twenty-five millimeters, and see how you break it.
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 April 9 2021 18: 35
        +4
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: sergo1914
        Foolishly you can break a crowbar

        And let me give you a crowbar, twenty-five millimeters, and see how you break it.


        In the original source, instead of scrap, there is another word. But it cannot be pronounced here. Break anyway?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 April 9 2021 18: 40
          -1
          Quote: sergo1914
          Break anyway?

          Will not work. Although, if a woman is a bitch, then she will break the crowbar.
          1. Andrey Korotkov
            Andrey Korotkov April 9 2021 19: 16
            0
            Quote: mordvin xnumx
            Quote: sergo1914
            Break anyway?

            Will not work. Although, if a woman is a bitch, then she will break the crowbar.

            About scrap (backbone?) Character ?? Behavior? request
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 April 9 2021 19: 17
              0
              Quote: Andrey Korotkov
              backbone?

              No, I'm talking about another scrap.
              1. Andrey Korotkov
                Andrey Korotkov April 9 2021 20: 15
                0
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Quote: Andrey Korotkov
                backbone?

                No, I'm talking about another scrap.

                Which is stacked?
      2. Aviator_
        Aviator_ April 9 2021 22: 57
        +2
        Quote: sergo1914
        Foolishly you can break a crowbar

        In the original there is not about scrap, so there is no need to give it, it is already there.
    5. Maz
      Maz April 9 2021 17: 43
      -5
      What nonsense you are reprinting, a truck with three missiles overturned. Only
      1. Andrey Korotkov
        Andrey Korotkov April 9 2021 18: 15
        -1
        Quote: Maz
        What nonsense you are reprinting, a truck with three missiles overturned. Only

        Respected hi did not like the news article? Coy lyad your speech? request MANPADS Specialist Armor? Truck with three missiles fool ArmorS1 (factory nomenclature -Tunguska-3) In NATO SA22 (Greyhond) Greyhound, to fight from the march (5min), channel reaction 4-6s. This is not a truck with 3 missiles (read that one fell out of the tube?. Set -12 pcs 9m335 / 57E6, shells in the amount of 1400 did not fall out of the cannon?
    6. rjpthju
      rjpthju April 9 2021 17: 58
      +1
      Foolishly ... And what do not we turn over? And more than once.
      1. Alexander Seklitsky
        Alexander Seklitsky April 9 2021 19: 23
        0
        And we are also foolish. Inexperienced youngsters will plant, they fall. We have regular propane trucks on the barrel all winter long. Moreover, both KAMAZ, and mana and benches. And why? Yes, because they pile on them like on cars.
    7. Ovsigovets
      Ovsigovets April 9 2021 18: 26
      0
      and in the original not even only scrap)))))
    8. aglet
      aglet April 10 2021 10: 07
      +1
      "Foolishly you can break a crowbar"
      it is located very high. falls to one side during a sharp turn at any speed. we also fell more than once
  2. Holuay T.O
    Holuay T.O April 9 2021 16: 18
    .
    Throw it all out
    1. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z April 9 2021 16: 20
      -1
      Quote: Holuay T.O.
      Throw it all out

      I drove a carrot! What is it to him, "Formula 1 car" ?!
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 9 2021 18: 07
        -2
        Judging by the broken windshield, the ZRPK hit the head of the carrier well now for repairs.
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty April 9 2021 16: 29
      +1
      Whom to throw out, the driver from the cobina?
    3. loki565
      loki565 April 9 2021 17: 02
      +3
      Iveco there, even cannot enter the turn)))
      1. alexmach
        alexmach April 9 2021 17: 32
        +3
        There was a water tank inside the car. And as I think not complete. Then go try not to fall.
        1. loki565
          loki565 April 9 2021 17: 35
          +4
          Well, it is necessary to control the technique according to its performance characteristics, the choice of speed, turns, and so on. So it is with the shell.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach April 9 2021 17: 37
            0
            Well, I mean, it's more complicated with water than with Shell. He always has the same high center of gravity, you need to get used to it once. And water changes the center of gravity of the machine right during the turn ...
            1. loki565
              loki565 April 9 2021 17: 40
              +5
              Yes, although there probably are partitions, like in fuel trucks.
  3. Borik
    Borik April 9 2021 16: 20
    +6
    I don’t remember something, they write that the car moved off the road, but the photo shows that it lies in the middle of the road. Or is this an incorrect translation?
    1. Alexilyin
      Alexilyin April 9 2021 16: 25
      +5
      They also write on the fence .... it's the same media and it doesn't matter which country. The main title for them is more terrible, and the content is generally about Feng Shui. Both domestic and foreign media suffer from this. Verification of information and its reliability is not the main thing for them now, unfortunately. But in fact ... the tendency to overturn is a problem of the chassis of the ZPRK DB "Pantsir-S1". Narrow, high KamAZ-6560 (model 2006-2007), the center of gravity is high. Variants on the chassis of the MZKT-7930, Ural-5323-20, BAZ-6909-019, MZKT-7930 types were considered. But we chose Kamaz. You need to drive this type of vehicle very carefully. In the modification of the CM, this problem was solved like.
  4. Stepan S
    Stepan S April 9 2021 16: 21
    +2
    Hold on tight to the steering wheel, chauffeur. You need to be careful to enter the turns, otherwise they will reckless there)
  5. yfast
    yfast April 9 2021 16: 21
    +3
    Not the first time, so the center of gravity is very high.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim April 9 2021 16: 35
      +25
      Recently they wrote that the Mytishchi plant made a good chassis for various launchers, and before that BAZ began supplying chassis for the "Thor", but no, the KAMAZ lobby simply cannot be broken.
      1. loki565
        loki565 April 9 2021 17: 05
        +2
        Such a platform has been considered for a long time, but it also needs to be transported on a trawl along the route.
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr April 9 2021 21: 55
          +1
          Quote: loki565
          but it must also be transported on a trawl along the highway.
          Why ?
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      3. Dimonk
        Dimonk April 9 2021 17: 29
        +8
        I also wanted to say thank you to the KAMAZ lobby am They strangled the chassis from Baza and Mzkt for the headstock. We got an unstable air defense system, poorly suitable for rough terrain. As a result, the reputation of the whole Carapace suffers. am
        1. loki565
          loki565 April 9 2021 17: 44
          +4
          They put it on KAMAZ, as a cheap chassis capable of driving on public roads. Do you often see BAZ or MZKT on the roads? they must be transported on a trawl, they do not fit in size.
          1. infantryman2020
            infantryman2020 April 10 2021 07: 21
            +3
            Here in the comments there was a partial substitution of concepts: "it is not able to move on public roads (the size is large), it can only be transported on a trailer."
            Let's be clear:
            1) the same BAZ can! to move on public roads, and, quite to itself, at the average speed of KamAZ. But accompanied by the traffic police;
            2) such wheeled vehicles are transported on trailers primarily to conserve the running gear resource. And a similar trailer is also oversized for a public road.
            Although, for wheeled vehicles, the problem of resource conservation is several times less than for tracked vehicles. Well, the Arabs are rich ... :)
    2. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy April 9 2021 16: 40
      -1
      Quote: yfast
      Not the first time, so the center of gravity is very high.

      Yes it is known, the position of the VG of the vehicle is calculated first of all! Our PU welled up, made adjustments to the speeds, and the allies may not have been warned - the pests. The speed limiter should be set, and not rely on the skill of the drivers. angry
      1. alexmach
        alexmach April 9 2021 17: 40
        -1
        No, you need to choose a suitable chassis, now it's easier.
    3. rjpthju
      rjpthju April 9 2021 18: 01
      +1
      For many years they have been promising to cure this disease ... apparently, it cannot be cured. Or laziness ...
  6. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 April 9 2021 16: 22
    -4
    The Serbs themselves are to blame, and if the ZRPK does not work or does not work properly, punish the club-handed driver.
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 9 2021 16: 28
    +2
    Who was driving - a seated rocker? The complex has a great height, and a large inertial moment, due to its dimensions, here the sacred rule "do not drive" must be observed!
  8. Niko
    Niko April 9 2021 16: 29
    -3
    It wasn’t about a woman ...
  9. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. April 9 2021 16: 35
    0
    The road is flat, it looks like the carrier was making a sharp maneuver and did not calculate the center of gravity of the installation ... a childish mistake.
    1. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev April 9 2021 17: 06
      +5
      It's just that the Shell is unstable enough and likes to tip over.
    2. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus April 9 2021 18: 14
      -1
      The road is flat, it looks like the carrier was making a sharp maneuver and did not calculate the center of gravity of the installation ... a childish mistake.
      And that's true. With such a mass and CG, if someone cuts, then he should be stupidly rammed. Otherwise, you are in a ditch on your side, and he calmly left and look for the wind in the field.
  10. ximkim
    ximkim April 9 2021 16: 48
    0
    "good" advertisement for the carapace chassis ..
  11. Emil Azeri
    Emil Azeri April 9 2021 17: 02
    .
    Yaxşı olub.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 April 9 2021 18: 01
      0
      Of course, yakshas, ​​except for donkeys and donkeys, you don’t know how to ride anything. fool lol
      1. Emil Azeri
        Emil Azeri April 9 2021 18: 46
        .
        Quote: Ros 56
        Of course, yakshas, ​​except for donkeys and donkeys, you don’t know how to ride anything. fool lol

        Yes, of course, we don’t know how to ride anything except Donkeys.
        Thank you very much for such a respectful attitude towards us. Thank you.
        Just don't forget that it will return to you.
        1. Disant
          Disant April 9 2021 21: 35
          +2
          so you write immediately in Russian on a Russian-language site, and then immediately with hostility.
          and then they wrote it is not clear what, but for us to translate and interpret in our own way.
          so, apparently, they got what they deserved minus)))
  12. Evil 55
    Evil 55 April 9 2021 17: 03
    +2
    Well, how much can you say ... the car is heavy, the base is long, the center of gravity is unstable, high-lying, the speed characteristics are limited ... and it is not intended for racing with a Porsche-911 ..
  13. NF68
    NF68 April 9 2021 17: 04
    0
    He is not the first and he is not the last.
  14. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev April 9 2021 17: 05
    -8
    There is such a nuance in the Shell, he loves to throw himself back. Several months ago, the Shell was being transported for export, on the way, either two or three overturned. An unstable toy.
  15. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR April 9 2021 17: 09
    +1
    Yes, we need to get rid of the Kamaz chassis ...
  16. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock April 9 2021 17: 14
    -1
    It is necessary to put the dynamic stabilization system on trucks.
  17. vitvit123
    vitvit123 April 9 2021 17: 40
    0
    There should be a briefing for the driver. Accompanying the VAI.
    And there will be no problems, everything is simple.
  18. Sergey269
    Sergey269 April 9 2021 17: 51
    +2
    Physics cannot be fooled, alas, this concerns the base on the KAMAZ chassis. A high center of gravity does not have the best effect on a highly maneuverable wheelbase (or vice versa). Military tests have confirmed this ... Even in the "military acceptance" they tried to voice this problem. The output for the applied base of the complex is forced (built-in) speed limitation.
    1. Sergey269
      Sergey269 April 9 2021 17: 57
      -1
      Plus a completely changed suspension system (stabilization systems: hydro, pneumatic, independent - all in one system and (or) spaced along the sides (axles).
  19. rjpthju
    rjpthju April 9 2021 17: 57
    +2
    For Pantsir-S, this is a disease. Ours also turned over, more than once.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 9 2021 18: 09
      +1
      It's time for the designer of the Armor to come up with side airbags during rollover so that the complexes would receive minimal damage
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon April 9 2021 18: 48
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        It's time for the designer of the Armor to come up with side airbags during rollover so that the complexes would receive minimal damage

        Wheels on the sides and top laughing
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 9 2021 21: 05
          0
          If you roll over, the dents on the wheels will remain
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon April 9 2021 22: 32
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            If you roll over, the dents on the wheels will remain

            Not tires, like fenders on barges, but wheels on axles to rotate.
      2. Alexilyin
        Alexilyin April 9 2021 20: 15
        +5
        It should be done as on a children's bike "Lion", stability is guaranteed good laughing
  20. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 9 2021 17: 59
    -6
    They only ride donkeys. It was not about the car, the gouge was sitting in the cockpit. fellow
    1. rjpthju
      rjpthju April 9 2021 18: 25
      +2
      And ours, too, are gouging, they also turn over. Apparently they need to ride reindeer. Or are the designers guilty after all?
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon April 9 2021 22: 39
        +2
        Quote: rjpthju
        And ours, too, are gouges, they also turn over

        Well, is this breed found everywhere? And they don't care if the center of gravity is high or low.
        1. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED April 10 2021 13: 11
          0
          Quote: Piramidon
          And they don't care if the center of gravity is high or low.

          The rear wheel appears to be empty. Not everything is clear.
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 April 10 2021 06: 33
        +3
        The gouging in the cabins are to blame, they are well aware of the advantages and disadvantages of these machines, otherwise they would simply not be allowed there. They studied them, the instructors trained them, but not into the horse feed, and now they are trying to blame their carelessness on the designers, they also looked for Schumachers for me. Do you know how Kirovtsy, Belarus tractors and UAZ loaves turn over? You just need to be friends with your head, by the way, at one time the I-16 fighter was the same problem for inept people.
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  22. Bad_gr
    Bad_gr April 9 2021 19: 38
    0
    "Pantsir-S" was conceived as a further development of the "Tunguska", so they would continue to produce this complex on a tracked chassis, which is much more suitable for equipment that was supposed to accompany troops on the march. But no, we decided to go on wheels.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 9 2021 21: 06
      +1
      Because this chassis is at least three times more expensive than a wheel chassis, it is heavier and more difficult to maintain.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr April 9 2021 21: 27
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        Because this chassis is at least three times more expensive than a wheel chassis, it is heavier and more difficult to maintain.
        So, due to the wheeled chassis, some of the functions were lost. Like shooting on the move. And if, due to a wheeled chassis with a high center of gravity, it manages to fall on its side even on the Autobahn, what will happen to this complex when it hits the ground with different densities? and who will raise it? and this fall, most likely, will end with the complete failure of the entire complex.
        The introduction of the KAMAZ chassis is not an economy, but, I would call it, sabotage.
    2. Zhenya Khazarsky
      Zhenya Khazarsky April 10 2021 13: 11
      0
      Forgive me, but who told you that Pantsir is a military air defense system? After all, it is object-oriented! No "on the march"!
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr April 10 2021 15: 24
        0
        Quote: Zhenya Khazarsky
        Forgive me, but who told you that Pantsir is a military air defense system?

        I came across information that "Pantsir-S" was conceived as a development of "Tunguska", and it is precisely for this and is intended. When the Arabs became interested in "Pantsirem-S", they began to develop "Pantsir" according to their wishes. And then he was put on a wheeled chassis, on which he lost the ability to work on the move. So he became to cover stationary objects.
        And who is covering the troops on the march now? the same tank column?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 10 2021 18: 46
          0
          The same Tor Tunguska Strela 10 Zushki MANPADS and military complexes of long-range interception С 300В4, as well as according to the idea of ​​the Air Force. And the Armor and on the march no one is covered only from the place of industrial military facilities; they even have retractable supports for stability.
  23. Avior
    Avior April 9 2021 20: 04
    +4
    ... For some unknown reason, the complex drove off the road and toppled over on its side.

    In the photo, it is not visible that it drove off the road, rather it overturned due to the high center of gravity
  24. Coconut
    Coconut April 9 2021 21: 11
    -4
    Check the driver for alcohol ..)
  25. Sergey Aleksandrovich
    Sergey Aleksandrovich April 9 2021 23: 46
    0
    And I was told that in Germany the roads at bends have a slope that prevents overturning, so there are few cases of overturning. Maybe at least the military will correct our brain builders, although there is little hope for this.
    1. aglet
      aglet April 10 2021 10: 31
      0
      "And I was told that in Germany, the roads at bends have a slope that prevents rollover."
      if the speed is high enough, no tilt will help. a wide track and a low ct will help a lot better, but not in this case. in this case, you need to instructively limit the speed on the highway, at least up to 40 km / h, but you still won't go faster off-road
  26. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 April 10 2021 04: 00
    +3
    Somehow alarming - Vladivostok, now here !!! Isn't it time for the developers to revise the chassis !? Too "expensive accident".
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 10 2021 18: 51
      0
      Next, they will produce the CM Carapace and, judging by the platform and dimensions, it will turn over even worse than on the old chassis.
  27. Hiller
    Hiller April 10 2021 20: 57
    0
    It was on the reel, the dolboy was in the cockpit!
  28. DominickS
    DominickS April 11 2021 08: 16
    0
    Not the first time already. Wretched KAMAZ chassis.
  29. Elturisto
    Elturisto April 11 2021 12: 53
    0
    The carapace is shit and his parents and promoters are pests and enemies. This whole story is the fruit of the lobbying efforts of Rostec and its owner who entered the Kremlin. Making rotary PUs for installations of this type is stupid. Probably not even worth talking about bicaliber pencils SAM. chassis and got what we got.