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"Polish tanks are hopelessly outdated": the expert compared the tank power of Poland and Russia

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As you know, Poland is one of the militarily strongest countries in Eastern Europe. In fact, this is almost the only NATO member country in the region that has at least some kind of military potential. Since there is no need to rely militarily on the Baltic republics or small countries such as the Czech Republic or Slovakia, Poland is viewed by the United States and NATO as the most important military partner in the eastern direction.


There is every reason for this: for example, the total number of the armed forces of Poland is 144 thousand people, while the number of the armed forces of Romania is 64 thousand people, Bulgaria - 25 thousand people, the Czech Republic - 26 thousand people, Slovakia - 18,5 thousand people. . human. That is, Poland alone can deploy more soldiers than Romania, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic and Slovakia combined.

Also Poland is one of the European leaders in the number of tanksin service with the ground forces. And this is a very important point, according to Polish military experts. If we talk about a war with the use of conventional weapons, then NATO is very afraid of a decisive and rapid throw of Russian tanks into Europe. The armies of the Baltic republics and the small parts of NATO troops stationed there, replenished through the rotation of military from different countries, will simply not be able to stop the advance of the tank columns of the Russian army, so all hopes are on Poland.

The tank forces of Poland's ground forces are largely based on the legacy of the socialist period, when the country was part of the Warsaw Pact Organization.

The most numerous tank in service with the Polish army is the Soviet-made T-72M1. The Polish ground forces have 350 of these machines, another 200 are in storage. According to the author of The National Interest Charlie Gao, these tanks provide a basic level of combat capability, but they are hopelessly outdated compared to any tanks that Russia may put against Poland. The T-72M1 armor, as the expert notes, can be penetrated by almost any modern anti-tank ammunition, with the exception, perhaps, of light RPGs.

The PT-91 Twardy is the next largest tank in the Polish army. The ground forces are armed with 233 tanks. This is a Polish-made tank, which is actually a modification of the T-72, only significantly modernized. In particular, it is equipped with a DEUGRA fire extinguishing system, ERAWA-1 and 2 ERA armor packages. Thanks to the armor packages, the Polish tank has more survivability than the classic T-72. It will not be able to hit Russian-made light and medium ATGMs and most Russian RPGs, but for modern Russian tanks the RT-91 is an easy target.


Finally, Poland has a significant fleet of Leopard 2 tanks: 142 Leopard 2A4 and 105 Leopard 2A5, which were purchased from Germany. Now in service with the Polish ground forces - 142 "Leopard". The Polish military department is currently engaged in the modernization of the German Leopards in service with the ground forces. In particular, it is planned to install Polish thermal imagers and domestic electricians. It is expected that modernization measures will keep the Leopards in service for another thirty years.

According to Charlie Gao, comparing the tank power of Poland and Russia, "Leopards" are the only tanks of the Polish army, which at a stretch can try to resist modern Russian tanks. As for the RT-91, they can be used on the second line. That is, the Polish army can only rely on the German "Leopards".

However, the question arises about the quantitative balance of forces of the parties. It is no coincidence that Mateusz Morawiecki, Prime Minister of Poland, focuses on the need to increase the number of tanks at the disposal of the armed forces of the countries - members of the North Atlantic Alliance.
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  1. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi April 9 2021 18: 11
    +16
    Horrible. laughing
    1. sabakina
      sabakina April 9 2021 18: 58
      +5
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Horrible. laughing

      Aaron, you still don't know what "quiet horror" is!
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty April 9 2021 19: 38
      +9
      Aaron, sell them from the availability of unmodernized merkavas 1,2, and 3, you will have the loot on their modernization! The main thing is to spin them up to buy your tanks! laughing
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 April 9 2021 21: 57
        +2
        Once they started talking about "outdated", it means they are preparing another drank of the budget for modernization.
        So yes. It's time to sell your tanks. It’s useless for Russia to participate in the tender, so there’s one less competitor
    3. Andrey Korotkov
      Andrey Korotkov April 9 2021 21: 10
      +1
      Quote: Aaron Zawi
      Horrible. laughing

      As a minimum, it is foolish to comment on the danger of combat-ready tanks from Poland from Israel, you are better at talking about airplanes, MANPADS! Dangerous in any military exacerbation.
    4. Alien From
      Alien From April 10 2021 01: 34
      +2
      Yeah, sir ... we choked them ...
    5. Revolver
      Revolver April 10 2021 04: 15
      0
      But what about the best Polish cavalry in the world? belay
  2. Svarog
    Svarog April 9 2021 18: 12
    +15
    Why do they compare everything and everything separately .. there is NATA there is the Russian Federation, there is China .. here you can work out the comparison .. what is the point of comparing the Russian Federation with Poland? Tanks won't help Poland ... if anything ..
    1. WHAT IS
      WHAT IS April 9 2021 18: 22
      +17
      I agree that there will be no one-on-one knightly tournament. Therefore, the comparison of Russia and a country (one) member of the NATO bloc is not entirely appropriate.
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 9 2021 19: 16
      +2
      Quote: Svarog
      what is the point of comparing the Russian Federation with Poland?

      Well ... that's it. After all, if we suddenly decide to attack suddenly, Poland will have to make do with what it has - NATO support with tanks will be very, very long time ago
      1. Svarog
        Svarog April 9 2021 19: 19
        +3
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Quote: Svarog
        what is the point of comparing the Russian Federation with Poland?

        Well ... that's it. After all, if we suddenly decide to attack suddenly, Poland will have to make do with what it has - NATO support with tanks will be very, very long time ago

        Are we going to attack? I beg you .. we cannot put things in order in our own house .. (Ukraine)
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 9 2021 19: 26
          +6
          Quote: Svarog
          Are we going to attack?

          Read one more time
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          if we suddenly decide to attack

          And the general staff of Poland must take into account such a development of events, otherwise what kind of general staff it is. It has nothing to do with our desires and capabilities.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog April 9 2021 19: 31
            +7
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            And the general staff of Poland must take into account such a development of events, otherwise what kind of general staff it is. It has nothing to do with our desires and capabilities.

            Well, let them keep their hallucinations to themselves .. why should we read this .. here about 60 countries are in a parallel reality .. and why should they clog the airwaves with their delirium .. no payload .. and even useless .. hi On VO, the information has become terribly insipid .. more and more such articles .. something infuriated a little .. perhaps it's better to shut up laughing
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 April 9 2021 19: 43
              0
              Quote: Svarog
              I beg you .. we cannot put things in order in our own house .. (Ukraine)

              what if ... like the annexation of Lvov will not be pleasant ... And the whole of western Ukraine - by the NATO limitors - Poland, Hungary and Romania ... laughing laughing Although the Magyars have already fallen.
              1. Svarog
                Svarog April 9 2021 19: 49
                +3
                Quote: PSih2097
                Quote: Svarog
                I beg you .. we cannot put things in order in our own house .. (Ukraine)

                what if ... like the annexation of Lvov will not like ... And the whole of western Ukraine.

                What do you think this will happen when it happens? Do you think that our "elite" is capable of "seizing" Ukraine? They are not capable of ... they will mix me and me ... we are not the USSR ... we are dependent on the West ... and very seriously ... what do we produce? over this .. and everything will fall into place .. if the United States and the West seriously want to drive us into the 20th century, they will do it without nuclear weapons ..
                1. PSih2097
                  PSih2097 April 9 2021 19: 53
                  -4
                  Quote: Svarog
                  if the United States and the West seriously want to drive us into the 19th century, they will do it without nuclear weapons ..

                  in the 19th century, well, this is unlikely, but in the 70s - 80s of the 20th century they can, but again exclusively with the help of "strategists" ...
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog April 9 2021 19: 54
                    +4
                    Quote: PSih2097
                    Quote: Svarog
                    if the United States and the West seriously want to drive us into the 19th century, they will do it without nuclear weapons ..

                    in the 19th century, well, this is unlikely, but 70 - 80 years can, but again only with the help of "strategists" ...

                    Well, yes, I was a little mistaken ... I still live in the 20th ... and even Friday hi laughing drinks
                    fixed))
                    1. PSih2097
                      PSih2097 April 9 2021 19: 59
                      0
                      Quote: Svarog
                      and even friday hi laughing drinks

                      better without it - drinks - tomorrow to work, at the traffic police sat / sun / monday - operation is a sober driver ...
                2. seregin-s1
                  seregin-s1 April 9 2021 20: 45
                  +2
                  What do we not produce?
                  1. comradChe
                    comradChe April 9 2021 23: 48
                    +1
                    Let's start with the most subtle but defining one: bearings!
              2. Machito
                Machito April 9 2021 19: 55
                +3
                Quote: PSih2097
                Quote: Svarog
                I beg you .. we cannot put things in order in our own house .. (Ukraine)

                what if ... like the annexation of Lvov will not be pleasant ... And the whole of western Ukraine - by the NATO limitors - Poland, Hungary and Romania ... laughing laughing Although the Magyars have already fallen.

                So yes, Poland still has plenty of Russian lands. They smell the pans whose meat they ate.
                1. Svarog
                  Svarog April 9 2021 19: 59
                  +3
                  Quote: Bearded

                  So yes, Poland still has plenty of Russian lands. They smell the pans whose meat they ate.

                  There are Germans as well .. Poland, in the event of a large batch, generally runs the risk of being severely cut off ..
                  1. PSih2097
                    PSih2097 April 9 2021 20: 10
                    +2
                    Quote: Svarog
                    There are also German ones.

                    Especially Danzig ...
          2. Revolver
            Revolver April 10 2021 04: 17
            0
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Quote: Svarog
            Are we going to attack?

            Read one more time
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            if we suddenly decide to attack

            And the general staff of Poland must take into account such a development of events, otherwise what kind of general staff it is. It has nothing to do with our desires and capabilities.

            They were half of the 1920s and almost all of the 1930s were preparing to repel a blow from the east (or to march east). As a result, they were shooted from the west. This was their general staff.
      2. Andrey Korotkov
        Andrey Korotkov April 9 2021 21: 42
        0
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Quote: Svarog
        what is the point of comparing the Russian Federation with Poland?

        Well ... that's it. After all, if we suddenly decide to attack suddenly, Poland will have to make do with what it has - NATO support with tanks will be very, very long time ago

        I repeat, Poland is not a cue ball, exchange (first priority) Poland will blow, what kind of NATO support are you talking about?
    3. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor April 9 2021 19: 31
      +2
      Nothing will help her if anything.
    4. paul3390
      paul3390 April 9 2021 19: 57
      +5
      "NATO is very much afraid of a decisive and quick rush of Russian tanks to Europe" - there is only one question - is this for us in the feijoa ??? What is there tasty and healthy? Poleniev to conquer - to put another parasite on your neck again? No, we have the richest experience of owning Poland. Just got loose - and again or what? Shish them in both hands - don’t let the EU feed them now. This is their cross - they should bear it. We have already served ours.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog April 9 2021 20: 01
        +5
        Quote: paul3390
        "NATO is very much afraid of a decisive and quick rush of Russian tanks to Europe" - there is only one question - is this for us in the feijoa ??? What is there tasty and healthy? Poleniev to conquer - to put another parasite on your neck again? No, we have the richest experience of owning Poland. Just got loose - and again or what? Shish them in both hands - don’t let the EU feed them now. This is their cross - they should bear it. We have already served ours.

        This hysteria is winding up for a reason .. capitalism is over .. and now the pyramid begins to crumble .. we need a war or an obvious enemy .. and this is necessary for both our and their capitalists ..
    5. Kaman
      Kaman April 9 2021 20: 39
      -4
      If the Poles put a "windbreaker" on the Leopard KAZ and change the control system, the T-90 cannot be compared with it. And the high saturation of Poland with spikes makes the dream of a tank attack on Warsaw impossible.
      1. Pensive Lawyer
        Pensive Lawyer April 9 2021 21: 12
        +3
        Spikes are cool, of course, but let's not forget that the whole army is advancing. Not lonely wedges of tanks, like migratory birds, sweep at full speed through the fields in order to settle for the winter somewhere at a predetermined point.
        Artillery, aviation, including drones, snipers, infantry, finally, all of this does not contribute to the well-being and physical health of the spike operators.
        Well, about the modernization of Leopard, I am a layman in the performance characteristics, I will not undertake to dispute, but with the same success I can say "If we burn down a thousand T-14, then even if they modernize at least 2 times a year, we will still overcome them."
        And it is not entirely clear who dreams of tanks near Warsaw.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver April 10 2021 04: 22
          +1
          Quote: Pensive Lawyer
          And it's not entirely clear who dreams of tanks near Warsaw.

          It is known who exactly. Alexander Averbukh.

          Quote: Alexander Averbukh

          There are tanks in Paris. (A song about an imaginary Soviet threat, dedicated to the detente of international tension and containing the correct recipe for achieving the aforementioned detente)

          Our cheerful private Ivanov
          Again he goes into battle to attack enemies.
          Ten consecutive nuclear strikes
          And now - our detachment is in Kabul.

          Chorus: And again tanks in Kabul, tanks,
          Afghans and afghans around
          West Berlin again
          It stands like an exhibition of ruins.

          Our cheerful foreman Ivanov
          Again he goes into battle to attack enemies.
          Ten consecutive nuclear strikes
          And now - in Warsaw, our detachment

          Chorus: And again tanks in Warsaw, tanks,
          And Warsaw women are drowning in the Vistula,
          And even London and Beijing
          They stand like exhibitions of ruins.

          Our cheerful lieutenant Ivanov
          Again he goes into battle to attack enemies.
          Ten consecutive nuclear strikes
          And now - in New York, our squad

          Chorus: And again tanks in New York, tanks,
          And the Yankees are drowning in the Potomac
          And everything - from Bonn to Athens
          It stands like an exhibition of ruins.

          Our cheerful captain Ivanov
          Again, we are led to attack the enemies.
          We make a world cataclysm
          And now - socialism is all around.

          Chorus: Because tanks are everywhere tanks -
          In Addis Ababa, in Casablanca.
          In Monaco and Miami Beach -
          The Russian speech is heard everywhere.

          But still...
          ... our cheerful General Ivanov
          Again, we are led to attack the enemies.
          Forty nuclear strikes in a row
          And now - our detachment is on Mars.

          Chorus: And again tanks on Mars, tanks,
          Martians are dying in the channels
          Jupiter and Saturn again
          They are meeting our victorious assault.

          ... Secretary General Ivanov
          I said a few words from the rostrum yesterday.
          Frankly into the interplanetary ether
          He stated that "we are for peace."

          Chorus: After all, our tanks are tanks on Mars,
          And on Venus, our tanks ...
          Our steam locomotive fly forward ...
          We have no other way ...
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 April 11 2021 01: 37
            0
            Good song. And so we are for the world, in the whole World. wassat hi
        2. Kaman
          Kaman April 10 2021 09: 20
          -1
          Well, with aviation, it's not so simple either. The Poles have 48 F-16s of Block 52 and Patriot PAC-3. F-35 and David's Sling have already been ordered. So flying over Poland will not be as easy as it seems. And in general, I do not remember when in history anyone defeated the Poles alone.
          1. Pensive Lawyer
            Pensive Lawyer April 10 2021 12: 23
            0
            No one won the Poles alone, not because they are 1 on 1 stronger, but because whenever it was clear that Poland would butt with an opponent not in its weight category and obviously lose, neighbors flew in to snatch territories, or at least rob.
            Regarding fighters and Patriots, no one said that Poland was weak, and even more so that it would be easy to fly over Poland. I think the situation will be equal - our aviation is intended more for defense, where stealth is not really needed, in the offensive it will yield to unnoticed American aircraft. But, at the same time, our air defense is traditionally stronger, so Poland does not have to hope for air supremacy and the suppression of our art by aviation.
            But again, the most important thing is that we will not step on the same rake a second time. You will not be cute forcibly, we do not need territories with a population opposed to us. Well, about how Russians and Poles historically love each other, only the love of Russians with Turks can be compared. So no, the Russian Federation is not the USSR, we have no motives in principle to make at least a millimeter of Poland. Moreover, if there is a conflict with Ukraine, we will most likely try to shove its western part away from Poland.
            1. Essex62
              Essex62 April 11 2021 01: 43
              0
              The attitude of the population towards us is also not unambiguous there. Although years of brainwashing and with a part of our people produces irreversible metamorphoses. Divided into national apartments, get hate.
  3. bar
    bar April 9 2021 18: 24
    +3
    Well, we found something to compare with wassat
    Not even funny ...
  4. Ravik
    Ravik April 9 2021 18: 27
    +2
    Only brave Polish lancers will be able to stop !!!
  5. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 April 9 2021 18: 28
    +2
    As I understand it, the Poles have pulled up their tanks to the border with Belarus to turn them into scrap metal. They want them to be cut into pieces.
    1. Machito
      Machito April 9 2021 20: 06
      +1
      They don't fall apart just because their birds are fucked up. laughing lol
  6. 113262a
    113262a April 9 2021 18: 29
    +4
    Again, four tankers and kabyzdoh!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza April 9 2021 18: 41
      +14
      Quote: 113262
      Again, four tankers and kabyzdoh!

      On the contrary! New film will be shot "4 gay men in a tank without a dog"
      1. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
        +3
        Well, no, you are not at all tolerant. It will be like this: 3 gay, 1 gay zoophile and a gay dog.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza April 9 2021 19: 42
          +6
          Quote: Salavat EMERCOM
          It will be like this: 3 gay, 1 gay zoophile and a gay dog.

          Take pity on the dog !!!!
          1. Flashpoint
            Flashpoint April 10 2021 02: 45
            +2
            Quote: Egoza
            Quote: Salavat EMERCOM
            It will be like this: 3 gay, 1 gay zoophile and a gay dog.

            Take pity on the dog !!!!

            She will have enough work without pity in this situation laughing
        2. Pensive Lawyer
          Pensive Lawyer April 9 2021 21: 15
          +1
          You forgot about the gay woman and the gay African.
  7. cniza
    cniza April 9 2021 18: 35
    +3
    "Polish tanks are hopelessly outdated": the expert compared the tank power of Poland and Russia


    I never knew that there are Polish tanks, there are tanks belonging to Poland, but what are they going to measure ...
    1. Revolver
      Revolver April 10 2021 04: 29
      +1
      Quote: cniza
      and so what are they going to measure ...

      Well, not the length of the barrels of tank guns lol
    2. alpamys
      alpamys April 10 2021 12: 27
      0
      Quote: cniza
      "Polish tanks are hopelessly outdated": the expert compared the tank power of Poland and Russia


      I never knew that there are Polish tanks, there are tanks belonging to Poland, but what are they going to measure ...

      PT91, purely Polish, engine Maybach (MTU) Bavaria, transmission Renk (MAN) also Bavaria, the rest from the Soviet T72.
  8. sabakina
    sabakina April 9 2021 18: 56
    0
    What kind of tank is in the second photo ?. Judging by the angle, he is no taller than a man in a beret ...
    1. Aleksandr97
      Aleksandr97 April 9 2021 19: 09
      +4
      At the end of May 2020, the upgraded versions of the Leopard 2A4 main battle tank called the Leopard 2A4PL began to enter service with the Polish army.
      The height of the tank is 2.43. Comparison with the person in the frame is perspective, he is closer to the camera.
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan April 9 2021 19: 40
        +6
        The side protection is not impressive at all. There was not enough zloty for the new L55 cannon and the remote anti-aircraft machine gun mount. There is no talk about KAZ and KOEP. Just as they did not master the removal of the gunner's sight to the roof (like A5 / 6/7): the hole in the turret defense is much more significant than the notorious "gaps" between the dynamic protection of the T-72B3. It resembles an analogue of the early T-72B3 (arr 11) in Polish. Massive and cheap. Only here the price is like 4-5 pieces. T-72B3 (the last prices were announced about 90 million rubles). In addition, 142 Leopard 2A4PLs against 1500-1600 T-72B3s do not look convincing.
        We must admit the German "businessmen" beautifully lit Polish goyim. Instead of selling full-fledged modern combat vehicles, they first sold them cheaply the ancient Leopard 2A4 from storage, and then sold an expensive upgrade package to the Leopard 2A4PL level so that the ancient 2A4 looked a little less ancient 2A4 at the price of almost new 2A7.
      2. sabakina
        sabakina April 9 2021 20: 07
        +1
        Solonin Alexander, I would not ask if in my youth I had not been more or less seriously engaged in photography. And how to attach a collie's head to a girl ... Sorry, hands, scissors, black paper and voila! I really did fucking myself then, how did it happen ... repeat
        1. Aleksandr97
          Aleksandr97 April 9 2021 20: 16
          +2
          Yes, photography was a general fad among advanced boys. For me, the top was photography in color, but it was very dreary, I remember 7 solutions, in complete darkness. The main thing is with your own hands, pleasure, of course, when it works! Now you click at least a hundred in numbers - the result of minimal labor costs winked winked .
  9. Konstantin Gogolev
    Konstantin Gogolev April 9 2021 18: 58
    +7
    Well, about the Czech Republic in vain you are so derogatory. There, even civilians have something to surprise.

    Just the other day, the news was:
    During the amnesty, one of the Czech residents surrendered a pink T-34/85 tank and an SU-100 (SD-100) anti-tank self-propelled artillery mount.
    I really hope that our General Staff takes this into account)
  10. Growlers
    Growlers April 9 2021 19: 05
    +6
    Why does Russia need this headache, "a quick rush of Russian tanks to Europe"? It is enough, in my opinion, to work out on key points with conventional warheads and Europe has "full pants", even gays will not come out to the protest parade.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 9 2021 19: 17
      +2
      Quote: Growlers
      It is enough, in my opinion, to work out with conventional warheads at key points and all Europe has "full pants

      Once upon a time Hitler believed in the same way ...
      1. Growlers
        Growlers April 10 2021 07: 19
        +4
        And that Hitler had warheads? Go to school at least ..... I think they are available in Chelyabinsk.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 10 2021 14: 19
          0
          Quote: Growlers
          And that Hitler had warheads? Go to school at least ...

          Oleg ... Well, honestly, I don't even know how to react to such "revelations".
          Firstly, Hitler had warheads, they were used on the V-1 and V-2. And, in order not to lead you into the temptation to kill me with laughter, let me remind you that you wrote about conventional, non-nuclear warheads
          Quote: Growlers
          in my opinion ordinary warheads

          Secondly, warheads here are a deeply secondary matter, the question is that you claim that Europe is completely weakened and will not fight if you demonstrate decisiveness and strength to it. And I reminded you that Hitler thought so. But even if we narrow down the meaning of the statement to the warheads, I remind you that Hitler just saw Fau as a way to lead England out of the war by terror.
          And what came of it
          1. Growlers
            Growlers April 10 2021 15: 47
            +5
            From your side, the comparison is at least incorrect. From a military-technical point of view, from a political point of view. To do this, you must at least imagine what a warhead is and what a flying projectile stuffed with TNT is and sent to whom God will send. And the difference is in the bombing of residential areas and the destruction of military infrastructure. Is not it? I am not suggesting, for example, how Academician Sakharov destroy the entire coast of the United States with one torpedo.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 10 2021 22: 43
              0
              Quote: Growlers
              And the difference is in the bombing of residential areas and the destruction of military infrastructure. Is not it?

              Yes :)) That is why the destruction of military infrastructure will not be perceived by Europe as something catostrophic :)))
              1. Essex62
                Essex62 April 11 2021 01: 58
                0
                Andrey, do you seriously think that Europe, represented by Britain, has put up effective resistance to the encroachments of the possessed gefrite? She exhaled, with great relief when he rushed to the East, and the thugs of the samurai bombed Pearl Harbor. If you take these two events out of the brackets, then Sir Marlborough had really full pants, which he even seemed to admit to. hi
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 11 2021 10: 55
                  0
                  Quote: Essex62
                  Andrey, do you seriously think that Europe, represented by Britain, has put up effective resistance to the encroachments of the possessed gefrite?

                  The question is just another - they did not give up, even when the situation was extremely difficult for them.
                  Quote: Essex62
                  If these two events are taken out of the brackets, then Sir Marlborough had really full pants

                  Nevertheless, he continued to fight further - with full pants :))))
                  1. Essex62
                    Essex62 April 11 2021 16: 51
                    0
                    Well, that is a given. You will not deny the persistence and impudence of the Britons. True, this only applies to the RAF and HMS, the groundmen screwed up to the fullest, on the turned up woods and logs, raking out across the English Channel. And for that time and those theaters of theater, it was the armor and infantry that decided how Europe would look in the next 30-50 years. If the Fuehrer had crossed the canal, he would get the hell out of the gadyushnik. To sacrifice 43 million, of course, would not have mastered the non-human Himmler, but he would have thinned out sirs and peers pretty well.
                    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      Andrei from Chelyabinsk April 12 2021 07: 04
                      0
                      Quote: Essex62
                      True, this applies only to the RAF and HMS, the groundmen screwed up to the fullest, on the turned up woods and logs, raking out across the English Channel.

                      The landowners did not screw up anything there. They fought as best they could, even tried to attack, albeit rather stupidly. When it became clear that the front had collapsed and there was no hope for the French, they held back the Germans at the bridgehead near Dunkirk, thereby ensuring the evacuation of the overwhelming part of their forces.
                      Yes, the British did not know how to fight on land, like the Germans, well, then no one knew how. And they evacuated absolutely correctly, because the British Expeditionary Force alone could not do anything there. The bottom line is that even having practically lost the armament of the army, the British continued to use the small remaining ground forces against the Germans - in Africa and Greece.
                      1. Essex62
                        Essex62 April 12 2021 09: 34
                        0
                        So after all, it's all about the result, and at the time of full pants, it is very negative. In other matters, how it happened, it happened. The story went its own way, the pants dried out. We, too, had everything in one place until the age of 43, and occasionally after. It is surprising why such hefty warriors - the Germans all the time they rake them, in the end.
  11. alpamys
    alpamys April 9 2021 19: 12
    -3
    Quote: sabakina
    What kind of tank is in the second photo ?. Judging by the angle, he is no taller than a man in a beret ...

    The best tank on the planet, German Leopard 2.
    1. Bashkirkhan
      Bashkirkhan April 9 2021 19: 30
      +6
      Not everything is so simple. The Turks lost at least two dozen Leopards-2A4s in 2018 in clashes with bearded monkeys near Al-Bab.
      1. Roma 1977
        Roma 1977 April 10 2021 07: 47
        0
        It is clear that there are no impenetrable tanks. A tank is a consumable in war, not a wunderwaffe ..
  12. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze April 9 2021 19: 28
    +1
    Iron won't matter soon. A breakthrough in science will change everything going to war ... neural networks, chips ...
    Neuralink Musk has already managed to produce a chip that allows the monkey to control the game mentally. Another 50-100 years and people will live in an interesting new world.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 April 11 2021 02: 01
      +1
      Will not work. The world is too different. And another hundred years of its existence ... you are an optimist.
  13. Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 9 2021 19: 46
    +1
    There was already a similar article. And what for in general there are a lot of tanks? money is spent, and no one is going to attack. RB is weak, and the old will fight back.
  14. kutuz
    kutuz April 9 2021 20: 16
    +2
    "the expert has compared" - another stupid "measuring with pussies". It should be compared with the United States, China, Turkey, you can also try with Israel. Of course, against the background of Poland, Ukraine, Moldova and the Baltics, Russia looks cool, but if you compare it with Nicaragua, Kenya and Congo, it's generally a god.
  15. iouris
    iouris April 9 2021 20: 35
    0
    It is possible to increase the power of the armored troops by introducing a regular dog into each crew.
    1. Flashpoint
      Flashpoint April 10 2021 02: 53
      +1
      Quote: iouris
      It is possible to increase the power of the armored troops by introducing a regular dog into each crew.

      Joking as a joke, and tried to use animals with explosives ... And successfully. During the Second World War, more than 300 German tanks were destroyed.
      1. iouris
        iouris April 10 2021 19: 41
        0
        You probably haven't watched "Four Fields ... Sorry, Tankman and Dog"?
        1. Flashpoint
          Flashpoint April 10 2021 19: 42
          +1
          Quote: iouris
          You probably haven't watched "Four Fields ... Sorry, Tankman and Dog"?

          I watched it for a long time, really. This I mean that there are our dogs on their dogs :)
  16. Andrey Stavropolsky
    Andrey Stavropolsky April 9 2021 20: 49
    +1
    Does this mean that the authorities of countries like Poland do not blindly believe in drones?
  17. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh April 9 2021 21: 07
    +3
    The backbone of the Russian tank forces is made up of the same modernized T-72.
    There are not many T-90s with improved protection. There are still no full-fledged KAZ vehicles.
    So, Russia has a significant quantitative advantage in tanks and
    small quality.
    We must not forget that the Poles, in order to compensate for the lack of tanks, purchased
    many of the most modern ATGMs.
    1. Puppeteer 111
      Puppeteer 111 April 9 2021 21: 36
      -1
      Do not worry. They don't hear you anyway
    2. silverura
      silverura April 9 2021 22: 06
      -3
      We must not forget that the Poles, in order to compensate for the lack of tanks, purchased
      many of the most modern ATGMs.

      So apparently they forget what "Javelin" is, one shot - one tank. And if you take into account the mechanized fleet of Ukraine in total with the Poles, then everything is not so cool anymore. Maybe Koss is on a stone. yes wassat
      1. Camel
        Camel April 10 2021 02: 54
        +1
        [i] So apparently they forget what "Javelin" is, one shot - one tank. And if we take into account the mechanized fleet of Ukraine in total with the Poles, then everything is not so cool. [I]
        It's funny! Why have the valiant owners of Javelin still not knocked out miners and teachers (since 2019) from their positions? And if you take into account the mechanized fleet + aircraft fleet + unmanned fleet + infantry + artillery + missile parks? The scythe may not become? Will it pass like a lightning bolt?
        1. iouris
          iouris April 10 2021 10: 54
          0
          As always: "What about us?"
    3. Kaman
      Kaman April 10 2021 11: 35
      0
      Warrior, do you really think that the T-90 is better than the modernized Leopard 2A4? Or is it an attempt to gain cheap authority on VO with the help of gross flattery?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh April 10 2021 11: 56
        +1
        The T-90 has enhanced frontal armor compared to the T-72.
        The Leo-2 still has a bad stowage of projectiles in the front
        parts of the tank turret. Which led to the loss of two tanks during the Turkish invasion
        troops into Kurdish territories in northern Syria. Turkish engineers
        are now seriously reworking their Leopards after that fiasco.

        The T-90 is good at daytime shooting, the Leo-2 is better at night.
        Neither one nor the other has KAZ. recourse
        1. Kaman
          Kaman April 10 2021 11: 58
          0
          I am sure that the Poles will spend money on KAZ, even the Portuguese slobber on it, and Leo's MSA is, by definition, better than that of the T-90.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh April 10 2021 12: 11
            +2
            In the bush, fog, rain conditions common in Poland,
            tank skirmishes from short distances are likely:
            1- 1.5 km. Here, a good LMS does not help much. And here
            the rate of fire of the T-90 is becoming an important factor.
  18. Coconut
    Coconut April 9 2021 21: 18
    0
    The sound of the note itself .. Polish tanks .. looks fake laughing
  19. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart April 9 2021 22: 02
    +2
    Well, let's look a little more optimistic.
    T-72 - cannon 125 mm 2A46
    PT-91 - the same but M (modified)
    Leopard 2 - 120 mm Rheinmetall Rh-120 cannon

    Nothing particularly noteworthy, however, it will do for tasks of a defensive-deterrent nature. Defensive battles imply a greater initiative of enemy tanks, which, in the case of a well-built defense, will help to reduce the distances of a real battle. And in the case of such reductions in distances - 120-125mm guns equipped with modern NATO shells can work out quite well for themselves. That will undoubtedly make restraining adjustments in the use of our tanks, which, in turn, is required from Poland in general. It's not 1939 - Poland is in a huge bloc with overwhelming superiority in the air and at sea, there is absolutely no reason for her to build some kind of defensive structures in which she defends herself and then inflicts some kind of counter-strikes on her own. In any Russia-NATO conflict, time will play against Russia, and all this Poland, the Baltic states, is for the most part a "viscous defense", the task of which is to tie up, slow down, cause some kind of damage until the flywheel of the allied logistics is unrolled. For these tasks, Polish tanks are more than enough - on the defensive. Now, if we were considering an option in which Polish tanks become part of the offensive army, then yes, it would be Fiasco.
    1. rumpeljschtizhen
      rumpeljschtizhen April 9 2021 22: 56
      +2
      Good evening ..... it seems to me that in modern conflicts (even hypothetically considering the conflict with Poland :-)) it is not a technical advantage in terms of the combination of weapons for training troops that is important ... in what realties 0.24 percent ... they are approximately the same for in the face of European armies ... decisiveness is important to see it through to the end. The main thing is to overcome the fear of society, the fear of losses in the first period of active action, further whose social way of life is less refined and that won ... worse than that, all sorts of nvf with a high motivation for actions (with external funding, of course) lead very successful actions
      .. why am I ... it’s not the calibers of the cannons that shrink ... but the general preparation of the armies and the Society for war ...
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart April 10 2021 00: 29
        +3
        Our society is about as loose as the European one in this regard now.
        I can not say that the "majority" but the figure tends to it. Life values ​​have long been skewed towards the material component, propaganda has been squeezing out the maximum for many years now, and I would not say that society will now enthusiastically accept the participation of our country in some kind of conflict - excluding ultra-patriots who are now in a clear minority. IMHO, our society is tacitly disappointed by decades of endless talk about moving somewhere, behind which there is a gradual departure from social obligations - this inevitably translates into a kind of apathetic pragmatism of thinking. In words, yes - people will stick stickers in the style of "We can repeat!" It seems to me that this will not cause much improvement - in the case of a defensive war, the situation will be Slightly better, but I would not bet on some super-qualities that we still have in relation to Europe. For the most part.
        We have a rather weak demography, the main working-age population lives in large cities, while these are highly mobile people who are extremely different in the categories of value-success-prosperity-mentality. A truly staunch Russian soldier was when it was possible to exploit the democratic potential of a remote village or the first generation born by people from a remote village. The city dweller is not famous for unpretentiousness, health, most of the people of military age are not famous for their satisfactory complexion. Of course, you can disagree with me - but this purely contemplative difference is quite clearly visible in Moscow time, when some major Muslim holiday happens or just Friday and you can watch people of satisfactory working build go from mosque to mosque. And then evaluate the difference with the young people you see in the subway or on the street.
        1. AC130 Ganship
          AC130 Ganship April 10 2021 03: 10
          0
          If we add here the tendency of modern youth to mow down from the army, then which one is a soldier ???
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 April 11 2021 01: 20
            0
            Very accurately noticed. Through the efforts of the shape-shifters, we began to resemble them, almost indistinguishable. The language is only native, but the pros will run out very quickly. Therefore, the main one said, let's go to heaven. We do not have methods for overseas punks, with their mongrels, to boot. To pile up and survive. They won't let us eat Poland just like that, it's part of that world. Whatever the tax-Saxons treat it, it's their own for them. The main thing is who needs it, to ride there in tanks? We certainly have nothing to do with it.
            And the picture on the mobrezervu is depressing.
  20. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich April 9 2021 23: 30
    0
    Comparing Poland and Russia is like comparing Novosibirsk with Kryzhopol.
  21. Pastor
    Pastor April 10 2021 00: 26
    +1
    The Poles are preparing in advance for heavy losses in an attempt to squeeze out Lvov.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver April 10 2021 04: 37
      0
      Quote: Pastor
      The Poles are preparing in advance for heavy losses in an attempt to squeeze out Lvov.

      And who will stop them? Since 1991, as Kravchuk correctly noted (or is it Kuchma? The devil will break his leg in their preziks), "Ukraine is not Russia."
  22. AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship April 10 2021 03: 08
    0
    Why tanks in the 21st century? A weapon that is 100 years old? Electricity is cut off and bank accounts are reset and the stock exchange collapses. And ... that's all. Africa will survive. Countries richer - vryat-whether
  23. Ilya Nikitich
    Ilya Nikitich April 10 2021 14: 19
    0
    Podlyaki, why do you always compare your military potential with Russia? Compare with Vanuatu, take care of your nerves.
    Secondly: podlyakhs, where did you get the idea that our tank units will fight yours? I personally think that it will be easier for our tanks to drive on the glazed surface after a vigorous explosion, and we will also save on fuel.
    Well and thirdly:

    Cops and scoundrels, finally hear your god and heed him ...
  24. Essex62
    Essex62 April 11 2021 01: 04
    0
    Yes, the message itself is nonsense "If we talk about a war with the use of conventional weapons, then NATO is very afraid of a decisive and quick throw of Russian tanks into Europe." What are we going to do there now? For what purpose? There they were brainwashed. And that theirs parliament will approve this milking, and so feeble funds from the EU handouts?
  25. Artem76
    Artem76 April 12 2021 15: 53
    0
    What a symbolic number on the tank in the second photo. Flag of Poland followed by a number starting with UA ....
    laughing