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Still trying to preserve the borders of the Ukrainian SSR: on the prospects and military-political reasons for the likely collapse of Ukraine

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History modern Ukraine as a sovereign state began in 1991, after the collapse of the Soviet Union. At the same time, Ukraine gained independence within the borders of the former Ukrainian SSR, the peculiarities of history, ethnic composition of the population, culture of individual regions of the republic were not taken into account.


As a result, post-Soviet Ukraine turned out to be a state with many internal problems, much more serious than those of Russia - including due to the oddities of Kiev's politics. It is these problems that represent a kind of time bomb that can undermine the modern Ukrainian statehood and leave no stone unturned on the country, which is still trying to repeat and preserve the borders of the Ukrainian SSR.

The main military-political reasons and factors of the potential collapse of Ukraine


The main reason for the political looseness of modern Ukraine is the absence of a state-forming nation. Today, Ukrainians are understood as a Galician - "Westerner", and a Little Russian from Kiev, and Russian people from Donbass and other regions of historical Novorossia, not to mention the numerous "Ukrainians by citizenship" like Arsen Avakov, who knows how turned into a Ukrainian nationalist (perhaps which is due to the trend that allows in modern Ukraine to cash in on the common people).

But the political Ukrainian nation in the former Soviet republic was never formed, and today there are more contradictions between different groups of the country's population than in common. The country's authorities, in turn, in a nationalist frenzy, do not understand that the laws on language, various prohibitions of everything Soviet and Russian, finally alienate the Russian part of Ukraine, and this is no less than half of the population and territories.

But in what case can the internal Ukrainian contradictions develop into the disintegration of Ukraine? To begin with, this disintegration, in fact, has already occurred. If in 1992 Ukraine completely duplicated the borders of the Ukrainian SSR, now we see a completely different picture: the Crimean peninsula was reunited with the Russian Federation.

Kiev does not control a significant part of Donbass, formally it is Ukraine, but in fact it is the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, which are under Russian patronage. So the process of disintegration has already been launched, and for a long time: 7 years have passed since the reunification of Crimea with Russia, almost a third of the time that Crimea was Ukrainian after the collapse of the USSR.

Undoubtedly, the main impetus for the further disintegration of Ukraine may be the rash actions of the Ukrainian authorities themselves. First of all, we are talking about unleashing a new round of armed conflict in the Donbass. If Ukraine manages to provoke Russia to intervene, then the prospects for Kiev will be very sad. Most likely, in this case, the entire Donbass, as well as the Azov territories, will break away from Ukraine.

Even if Kiev remains prudent and refrains from any aggressive actions in Donbass, the risk of disintegration remains, since other potentially risky factors do not disappear anywhere. These include: the collapse of state institutions, a high level of crime and corruption, nationalism under conditions of a by no means mono-national state, the most severe economic crisis and social instability, the lack of clear prospects for the country's development, colossal external debts.

Ukrainians themselves believe in the disintegration of Ukraine


Interestingly, the Ukrainians themselves have long been thinking about the prospects for the disintegration of Ukraine. Last year, a sociological study by the Kiev International Institute of Sociology (KIIS) showed that more than 50% of Ukrainians surveyed believe that their country is on the verge of collapse. At the same time, there are more pessimists in the south and east of Ukraine, which is not surprising. Even the notorious Mikheil Saakashvili recently spoke about the likelihood of Ukraine breaking up into several states.

A new war in Donbass is capable of destroying Ukraine. It may well provoke a centrifugal movement in cities such as Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk (Dnipro, as it is now called), Nikolaev, Kherson. In fact, Kiev risks leaving control only over the central and western regions.



But in the far west, not everything is so smooth: for example, in Transcarpathia, Hungarian influence is very strong, and the territories inhabited by Magyars have long been looking towards Budapest. It is enough to remember history, revise the borders, and the Ukrainian Hungarians will live in a much more successful and economically prosperous Hungary - a member of the EU and NATO.

If such a scenario is realized, the southeast will most likely form a pro-Russian state, and in the long term it will even become part of Russia. It is also possible that certain regions of western Ukraine may go to Hungary, Romania and Poland, and a pro-Western regime of a nationalist persistence will remain in the center and parts of the western regions. Perhaps it will be even more authoritarian than the current one, and even the European Union will have to distance itself from Kiev.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U April 9 2021 10: 43
    +11
    There is no USSR, so why would its haters have its borders?
    1. tatra
      tatra April 9 2021 10: 59
      +3
      Well, because the enemies of the USSR, under their eternal cowardly incantations "and we have nothing to do with it. It's all the communists are to blame", divided the USSR among themselves along the borders of the republics of the USSR.
      1. Nasrat
        Nasrat April 9 2021 11: 14
        -4
        Quote: tatra
        Well, because the enemies of the USSR, under their eternal cowardly incantations "and we have nothing to do with it. It's all the communists are to blame", divided the USSR among themselves along the borders of the republics of the USSR.

        How ... the communists worked honestly, and the enemies at that time destroyed the USSR .. Stalin was not on these communists ... wink
        1. 210ox
          210ox April 9 2021 18: 10
          +6
          Right! Under Stalin, the fish was healthy, and then rotted from the head. For he cleansed the body of all parasites.
        2. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov April 9 2021 20: 19
          0
          Surprisingly remarkably accurate article by Ilya: Ukraine is at the last line today. And can save her from decay only Russia! But will the Russian leadership want ??? recourse
          1. Ros 56
            Ros 56 April 10 2021 10: 02
            +4
            Why save Ukraine, is it a quasi-state? You will not remake the brains of the Raguli, if nothing has changed during the Soviet regime and 30 post-Soviet years, then kick these banderlog in the ass and in Galicia, and our lands with ours people will come back to us. negative
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov April 10 2021 11: 12
              +3
              Quote: Ros 56
              Why save Ukraine, is it a quasi-state? You will not remake the brains of the Raguli, if nothing has changed during the Soviet regime and 30 post-Soviet years, then kick these banderlog in the ass and in Galicia, and our lands with ours people will come back to us. negative

              I don't understand what you mean by "our lands and our people", but Ukraine / Little Russia all "our". Joseph Vissarionovich thought so and I agree with him. Like the majority of its population. Those who think otherwise - those to Yeltsin and Gorbachev and Yakovlev. And about Galicia and Volyn, you need to think about how to bring them to their senses. There is no need to be scattered about "Kemsky volosts"!
              1. Ros 56
                Ros 56 April 10 2021 18: 01
                -1
                These "Kemsky volosts" were advised not to include them in the Republic of Ingushetia. Here is your greed and came out sideways. We will scribble and continue to scribble, but people have lost their lives, and starting from the time of the Russian Empire to the present day ..
    2. yehat2
      yehat2 April 9 2021 12: 44
      0
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      There is no USSR, so why would its haters have its borders?

      because they are maximum
      as soon as they are canceled, Ukraine will lose its rights to a number of territories.
    3. iouris
      iouris April 9 2021 13: 48
      +6
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      There is no USSR

      The USSR lives in the hearts of the working people.
      1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
        Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko April 9 2021 19: 57
        0
        And in the hearts of us, officials, too!
    4. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 April 9 2021 18: 29
      +2
      And formally no one left the union. Legally, it still exists. There are no organs of his power, they were dissolved by Gorbachev on November 14, 1991, but this is a little different. There is a population, there are legal internationally recognized borders, so there are many who care about borders. There are many interesting things to come in the future
      1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
        Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko April 9 2021 20: 01
        +2
        Yes, de jure this is so, and in the future the Russian Federation will have a potential opportunity to restore the USSR for a long time.
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 April 9 2021 20: 08
          +5
          As if there are no options. Either further degradation and disintegration or this legal fact will be fully exploited. There is no third. Some people will be flattered by this, but the bulk, I think, will be in the black.
  2. nnm
    nnm April 9 2021 11: 02
    +11
    The disintegration of Ukraine would not be the worst option for the whole of Europe. But, if the modern government in Ukraine does not begin to seize Donbass, then this collapse is unlikely to take place. The central, eastern regions do not have a single unifying force, and most importantly, there is no such idea that will give them the desire and strength to resist. At the same time, the Galician neo-Nazis quietly settled in power and / or dictate their own conditions to it: extrajudicial bans of unwanted parties, deprivation of assets, TV channels from opposition leaders, the complete imposition of the Ukrainian language even in the commercial sphere, a law on the prohibition of the "Russian world" is on the way. according to which anyone who says that our peoples are brothers will receive a criminal case, then they will ban the parties of the Shariya, Ozzh ... In schools, institutes, TV, rewritten history will be hammered into their heads, neo-Nazism and everyone who disagrees will be approached by either the right-wing people or the prosecutor's office ...
    That is, peacefully, it is hardly possible to destroy this new ISIS, because the entire state repressive apparatus keeps this regime afloat. And when a new, reformatting generation grows up, then we will get at our borders a completely Russophobic not only state, but also the people.
    1. Desperado
      Desperado April 9 2021 11: 35
      -4
      The disintegration of Ukraine into separate regions (zones of influence) will be the worst option for everyone. This will significantly exacerbate interstate contradictions, spur "nationalism", and, accordingly, the risk of a civil war between these regions.
      1. nnm
        nnm April 9 2021 11: 52
        +4
        Come on?! Who will be against and with whom will the contradictions intensify? With Hungary, or Poland, who sleep and see how they are leaving in a couple of regions? With old Europe, which will get rid of the unnecessary breeding ground of neo-Nazism ?!
      2. knn54
        knn54 April 9 2021 12: 24
        +2
        For the Yankes, the main thing is to create controlled chaos along the entire perimeter of the land border of the Russian Federation.
        And Europe will also have a headache.
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 9 2021 13: 24
      -9
      Quote: nnm
      The disintegration of Ukraine would not be the worst option for the whole of Europe.

      I wonder why this is?
    3. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin April 10 2021 11: 52
      +2
      Quote: nnm
      peacefully, it is hardly possible to destroy this new ISIS, because the entire state repressive apparatus keeps this regime afloat. And when a new, reformatting generation grows up, then we will get at our borders a completely Russophobic not only state, but also the people.

      In Ukraine, everything follows the tracing paper of the creation of a Russophobic Galicia.
      In Galicia there was and is an active, well-organized Nazi nucleus, which took real power by terror.
      At the first stage, everyone was not sufficiently active in Russophobia (and Polyakophobia), who were simply killed and who were tied in blood.
      Those. first, Nazi ideas were hammered into society on pain of death, and then it was absorbed "with mother's milk."
      Approximately according to this scheme, at one time Hitler crushed Germany under himself.
      Without neutralizing this core, Ukraine will not disintegrate anywhere.
  3. Basarev
    Basarev April 9 2021 11: 10
    +2
    The center must not be allowed to drift. The mother of Russian cities should be part of Russia, and the west can be shared with everyone who has an interest.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 9 2021 13: 31
      -8
      Quote: Basarev
      The mother of Russian cities should be part of Russia

      Why do you personally need Kiev? Well, you will experience a multiple patriotic orgasm if your TV is mumbling "Kievnash" from morning to evening - and then what? Deukrainization of "Russian mother-cities"?
      1. Basarev
        Basarev April 9 2021 13: 59
        +4
        Yes, total de-Ukrainianization. There is no such ethnos, it was invented by the Bolsheviks to split the Russians. They also gave a lot of land to the nationalities inside the RSFSR. I am indestructible in my desire to return to the Russians all the lands that had been torn from them and to reunite the people. Russians must be indivisible.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 9 2021 14: 13
          -8
          Quote: Basarev
          I am indestructible in my desire to return to the Russians all the lands that had been torn from them. and reunite the people. Russians must be indivisible.

          laughing What pathos ... Familiar style, reminiscent of the Fuehrer's speech in Nuremberg in September 1938 before the annexation of the Sudetenland.
          1. Basarev
            Basarev April 9 2021 14: 16
            -6
            I will say a monstrous thing. With the exception of state xenophobia, the conduct of aggressive wars and war crimes, the artist's reign was a true blessing for the Germans, he took care of his native people with all his might and unswervingly took his interest.
            1. Kronos
              Kronos April 9 2021 14: 22
              +2
              This is a myth no more. Thousands of dissenting Germans were sitting in the camps, and many more were killed.
              1. Basarev
                Basarev April 9 2021 14: 42
                -7
                For the good of the majority, if you have to sacrifice a few dissidents, you shouldn't hesitate and be gentle. Politics lies outside of morality, in most cases it is a choice between bad and terrible. And the ruler should not hesitate, because his main task is to pull the country out of backwardness with an iron hand by the ears. And there is a clear understanding that the limit of soft measures has been exhausted.
        2. sleeve
          sleeve April 13 2021 13: 37
          +1
          Right now, how will the Tuvinians, Buryats, and Yukogirs and the Nenets begin to remember different "rejection" ... Was this frenzy in the 90s lacking? You shouldn't wave a saber and shout that "everything here is Russian." In our complex state, there is always an objection to everything, even to "peace of the world." That is why a deep popular wisdom appeared: "to manage the economy, not to shake the economy." More thoroughly it will be necessary, it will be more durable. This is already the proverb of German locksmiths)
      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin April 10 2021 12: 02
        +1
        During the Soviet era, he visited Kiev several times. I have never heard Ukrainian speech there. And now the Kiev Russians, Armenians, Jews and others began to speak in MOV. Voluntarily?
  4. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin April 9 2021 11: 10
    +5
    > if Kiev remains prudent
    It's funny.)
  5. Victorio
    Victorio April 9 2021 11: 18
    +2
    I think everything will be as it is now, the Natsiks will flex their muscles, the disaffected and dissenting ones will once again remain silent, get lost or leave. I will be very surprised at the alleged disintegration.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 April 9 2021 20: 35
      +1
      Vanga said that in Europe there will be:
      1. Chemical warfare.
      Please: Skripali and Navalny. laughing
      2, The dominance of Muslims.
      Please: millions of migrants from Asia and Africa.
      3. Mor.
      Please: covid.
      Then the restoration of Russia was promised. We wait. wink
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 April 9 2021 20: 39
        -6
        Quote: Alex777
        Please: covid.

        Yesterday my sister came. She has been working as a nurse for over 30 years. He asked about vaccinations: "Nafig-nafig, don't do it!"
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 April 9 2021 21: 49
          +7
          I was grafted. Satellite.
          Mom, dad and wife are doctors.
          Ignorant people are not vaccinated.
          They don't understand that there is no complete cure for covid.
      2. Keer
        Keer April 9 2021 21: 40
        -1
        We need more Mora, then the recovery will happen sooner, and, therefore, you will not have to wait so long
      3. Ros 56
        Ros 56 April 10 2021 09: 52
        +1
        Will the restoration of Russia happen by itself, or do we need to make efforts? And sitting on the couch and waiting stupidly, you will wait for nothing but hemorrhoids. lol
  6. Pavel73
    Pavel73 April 9 2021 11: 26
    +5
    But if you divide Ukraine and distribute: Transcarpathia - Hungary, Bukovina and most of today's Moldova - Romania, Galicia - Poland, South-East (together with Moldovan Transnistria) - Russia, then EVERYONE would be satisfied and happy. The Westerners will finally join their longed-for Europe, the Poles will get new territories and cheap labor, and the Russians will finally get rid of this Bandera gadyushnik!
    1. Gato
      Gato April 9 2021 11: 56
      +2
      It's easiest to split and get rid of. From Bandera gadyushnik, from the Baltic, Chechen, then from what? Or do you think the fantasy of our partners will end there?
      1. Pavel73
        Pavel73 April 9 2021 11: 59
        +5
        If people can't stand each other, why torture them, forcibly forcing them to live in one state? Moreover, much closer and dear states are nearby.
        1. Gato
          Gato April 9 2021 12: 11
          +3
          If only because, having received independence, they will immediately quarrel with each other. What we actually observed during the collapse of the USSR. Similar gatherings will take place during the disintegration of Ukraine, on a smaller scale, of course.
          1. Pavel73
            Pavel73 April 9 2021 12: 19
            +2
            Why independence? Not. The whole point is that it would be logical for close and kindred peoples to be given the opportunity to reunite in a larger state. For example, Romanians and Moldovans. Or Ukrainian Westerners and Poles. One fig after all go to work in Poland. The same is with the Hungarians in Transcarpathia. The same is with the Russians in the South-East of Ukraine. Of course, it would be best if Ukraine was fully included in the interstate union of Belarus, Russia and Ukraine, in the form of a confederation. But with such a frenzied Russophobia that was spread in Ukraine, especially in its west, I do not believe in such a possibility. For a hundred years they made AntiRussia out of Ukraine, and in the Soviet years, too, alas. I'm afraid they won't be re-educated anymore.
          2. Tank hard
            Tank hard April 9 2021 19: 19
            +2
            Quote: Gato
            If only because, having received independence,

            There is a curious moment here ... Is Ukraine an independent state now? It's a ridiculous situation to dream of independence for so many years, so that as a result, you can put on an American-European collar. Put on joyfully, with jumping and crunching cookies from Nuland. laughing
        2. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 April 9 2021 18: 37
          0
          Who told you they don't want to?
          Television? In 1991 they voted and were not against it.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 April 9 2021 20: 45
            0
            Quote: Herman 4223
            In 1991 they voted and were not against it.

            Against what?
        3. boris epstein
          boris epstein April 10 2021 15: 33
          +2
          Uh-huh. Close and dear states are near. Far closer are the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic. But the Ossi (East Germans) in today's Germany are second class. Enterprises in the former GDR were closed, those who served in the National People's Army of the GDR and the Stasi are not hired, judges, prosecutors, university teachers are not allowed to work in their specialty.
          The second example is Czechoslovakia. For centuries they lived together, albeit as part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and now they are divided into Czech Republic and Slovakia.
          The third example is Yugoslavia. Together we stood against the Turks in the Kosovo field. How many states are there now?
          There is also little good for Western Ukrainians as part of Poland. Neither have forgotten the "Ukrainian-Polish wars" (as they say in the current history of Ukraine) of 1943-1944.
          As the user Vladimir Mashkov said: "There is no need to be scattered about" Kemsky volosts "!"
          I agree with him.
  7. Desperado
    Desperado April 9 2021 11: 28
    -2
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    There is no USSR, so why would its haters have its borders?


    We read the 1994 Budapest memorandum ...
    1. qQQQ
      qQQQ April 9 2021 11: 34
      +2
      Quote: Desperado
      We read the 1994 Budapest memorandum ...

      A memorandum is an agreement of intent, i.e. essentially a piece of paper about nothing. despite the fact that it was refused to ratify, first of all, by the United States and then, in response to this, by Russia.
  8. Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 9 2021 11: 46
    +9
    The spring exacerbation began.
    Every spring, the media begin to predict the disintegration of Ukraine, the disappearance of black soil, fat, vodka, sugar, youth and everything else.

    And it doesn’t get boring.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 9 2021 13: 34
      -5
      Quote: Max1995
      The spring exacerbation began.
      Every spring, the media begin to predict the disintegration of Ukraine, the disappearance of black soil, fat, vodka, sugar, youth and everything else.

      And it doesn’t get boring.

      laughing Good comment)
  9. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart April 9 2021 11: 58
    +7
    Well, such a scenario is VISIBLY very tasty for us - because this is a good reason "relatively de jure" to seize some territory - as we did in the same 1939, for example, with the phrase "collapse of the Polish state". In the event of such a "collapse", it becomes possible to distribute "earrings to all the sisters" as they once ripped apart Rzeczpospolita and legalize the question through mutual interstate bail. Since 2014, I have been hearing this sad dolbylovo "Ukraine will soon disintegrate, Ukraine will disintegrate, soon it will disintegrate .." - but Ukraine does not disintegrate. For 7 years already. As for me, the situation in Nezalezhnaya is somewhat reminiscent of our own situation with Chechnya at one time - there is a certain piece of territory on which, relatively speaking, muddy water - with mercenaries, rebels and certain non-canonical sentiments. There is a mess in the state after the next "revolution". There is an "oligarchic factor". Finally, there is the sun which also crushes and sausages, like the rest of society - because the sun is a cut of this very society. Did we have a collapse in the 1990s-2000s? No, it was close, in places extremely trashy, but the collapse did not happen. Someone will say "This is because the GDP appeared on time" - as for me, because being in a mess, the system (if it exists in principle) is gradually self-organizing and adapting to existence in the mess. It's like eating a little bit of a poison every day, and eventually getting used to it. This does not make the system more efficient or more viable, no. But the longer the sluggish mess lasts, the more resistance society develops to "falling apart" from this particular factor.
    Because people trample the paths of survival, cooperation, loose and stupid bureaucratic carcass is permeated with life-giving elements of grassroots corruption, so commonplace that it becomes "culture". How do they say - "if you don't grease it, it won't go"? Here's something similar. And it turns out that state institutions seem to exist, and at the same time there is a "backdoor" for solving questions. And that's all - the collapse is postponed. So we are in vain expecting this very collapse of our neighbors - it will not happen by itself. Ukrainians are as stable guys as we are. And they are just as prone to trouble as we are. And to the perception of some elephantine doses of corrupt and wasteful schemes, first-class semi-official idiocy, agitprop lies - they have exactly the same resistance as we do.

    All our hopes that "the situation will somehow resolve itself, over time" is somewhat reminiscent of the expectations of Adolf Aloizovich in the Berlin bunker - this is empty.
    1. novel66
      novel66 April 9 2021 12: 42
      +3
      the speech was salted, not long before that, she happily took part in the section of the Czech Republic ... see in someone else's eye a broken-off - in his own does not see below the bar?
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart April 9 2021 13: 04
        0
        I am not saying that this is good or bad, I have designated a historical fact, so to speak, a precedent. Moral issues remain outside the scope.
        It does not matter who is good and who is bad - the history is always written by the winners IN THE TOTAL.
        1. novel66
          novel66 April 9 2021 14: 55
          0
          history is always written by winners
          can't argue with that
  10. iouris
    iouris April 9 2021 12: 05
    0
    The redrawing of borders occurs only following the results of the war.
    1. Desperado
      Desperado April 9 2021 12: 50
      0
      Seriously? And what about the demarcation of borders with Norway and China in 2010 and 2005? In 2013, Norwegian researchers announced that 2 billion barrels of hydrocarbons, valued at $ 30 billion, had been found in the waters that were taken over by Norway.
      1. iouris
        iouris April 9 2021 13: 32
        +2
        I say: this is the result of the war. Woe to the vanquished.
    2. cormorant
      cormorant April 9 2021 13: 59
      +2
      I don’t remember the war for Crimea. There was a referendum, there was a redrawing of borders, there was no war. There are many similar cases in world history.
      1. iouris
        iouris April 9 2021 18: 01
        +1
        This is not the case. This is an episode of the war. There will be more episodes. What Shevardnadze surrendered so easily and after him will have to be returned with a fight. On the other side, such fools are dumb.
  11. cniza
    cniza April 9 2021 14: 28
    +2
    In fact, Kiev runs the risk of leaving control only over the central and western regions.


    And this will not be held back - Kiev is the mother of Russian cities, who will leave her, to be torn apart by the Raguli and Banderaites ...
    1. novel66
      novel66 April 9 2021 14: 56
      +2
      Vitya hi politics is a dirty business, maybe they will leave
      1. cniza
        cniza April 9 2021 16: 42
        +1
        Roma hi , I understand that, but there are many, but I also believe that this will not happen ...
    2. boris epstein
      boris epstein April 10 2021 15: 41
      +1
      If it comes to that, then according to the Andrusov peace in 1686 between the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and Russia Kiev was bought from the Poles and became a Russian city. And documents about this are stored in Poland and in Russia.
      1. cniza
        cniza April 10 2021 15: 45
        +1
        Then we can say that Warsaw was also a province in R.I. lol
        1. boris epstein
          boris epstein April 10 2021 15: 52
          +2
          A province, yes, it was, but Russia, although it was part of the Russian Empire, no, was not.
          At that time, Russia was forced to take a piece as a buffer territory during the partition of Poland, so as not to border on Austria-Hungary and Prussia, while Russia, Ukraine and Belarus are from ancient times a single organism and peoples have long been re-romancing among themselves.
          1. cniza
            cniza April 10 2021 16: 06
            +1
            On call they served in the Russian army, but it was dangerous to turn your back on them. yes
  12. Mishka78
    Mishka78 April 9 2021 14: 35
    +3
    Yes, nothing will happen to Ukraine without external interference.
    Ishchenko read a lot? He 2014 in each article predicts that just about, just a little bit left. And it still lives and lives. He has already become even more careful, he stopped calling the dates :)
    But if a war happens between us, it will be exactly what the Americans want.
    For Ukraine, this will be a disaster and a complete loss of statehood.
    It will be a very difficult time for Russia, since there will be a complete rupture of all ties with the West, another iron curtain, all sorts of flows will turn into unnecessary scrap metal, and even about 30 million people who need to somehow establish a sane life, partisan detachments, etc. For us, it turned out to be difficult to digest Crimea with a completely loyal population, let alone mainland Ukraine, in which no less than 50% of the population of Russians and Russia at least dislike Russia.
    It will also be difficult for the EU, because due to the same gap, they will lose our relatively cheap raw material base and 150 million sales market.
    In chocolate will be the United States and, indirectly, China.
  13. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich April 9 2021 14: 35
    -1
    Let it disintegrate. Let them do whatever they want. If only they didn’t beg for money, as a "brotherly people". I'm tired of it. The one who betrayed once, will betray not once.
  14. APASUS
    APASUS April 9 2021 15: 29
    +2

    The main reason for the political looseness of modern Ukraine is the absence of a state-forming nation.

    The author looks too primitively at the main problem of the country, there is no state-forming nation in the USA.
  15. BAI
    BAI April 9 2021 17: 06
    +2
    The main reason for the political looseness of modern Ukraine is the absence of a state-forming nation.

    And what about the United States? Switzerland, Canada? The same loose and also falling apart?
  16. Pastor
    Pastor April 9 2021 18: 44
    +1
    When there is no single connecting idea, there is no subject for unification. The country of Ukraine has long been just a territory. Without our own national idea, and victory in the Second World War and opposition to the West cannot be called that, and we threaten to turn into territory. We learn, gentlemen, from the mistakes of our neighbors. Ours will give us too much blood.
  17. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 10 2021 09: 40
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    It is high time to decide on these Nazi idiots and to determine their place in the corral, even if they stand on their heads there.
  18. g_ae
    g_ae April 10 2021 10: 28
    +1
    The uniform at the guard is some kind of .... The tunics look like the outfit of the Greek guard. More tights and boots with pom-poms and that's it, they'll be accepted straight into the EU right away.
    1. Colonel MO
      Colonel MO April 14 2021 12: 01
      0
      This is a reference to the zhupans of the Zaporozhye Cossacks, and they took over from the Poles and Turks
  19. voldemar5
    voldemar5 April 11 2021 07: 35
    0
    Another Yanukovych will come, make peace with Russia and there will be a situation again for 12 years, neither ours nor yours. Ugh.
  20. Silhouette
    Silhouette April 11 2021 09: 08
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    You just need to understand that there is a sluggish civil war between Russia and Ukraine, as a result of which Ukraine should disappear from the political map of the world, and a new state - Galicia - will be formed.
  21. 181msp
    181msp April 12 2021 21: 52
    0
    In the photo there is a guard of honor in some strange dresses or even robes, badly crumpled on the ass. They have some form of unconventional orientation.
  22. Maikcg
    Maikcg April 13 2021 17: 50
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    Quote: nnm
    And when a new, reformatting generation grows up

    It grew a long time ago, the Muscovites ate all the fat back in the USSR. Today we can already talk about the 3rd or even 4th performed generation and make no mistake.
  23. zenion
    zenion April 13 2021 18: 22
    0
    A comrade lives in Bukovina and said that 80% of Bukovinians received Romanian passports. As far as I do not know exactly, but those territories that are close to Romania received exactly, in particular, the south of the Chernivtsi region.