In Korea, the presentation of the prototype of the newest fighter KF-X is held

In South Korea, the presentation of the prototype of the fifth generation fighter KF-X in the industrial park of the city of Sacheon is taking place. Initially, the aircraft was positioned as a generation 4,5 (4 ++) fighter.

The event is attended not only by representatives of Korean companies and authorities, but also by Indonesian Defense Minister F. Subianto. The reason is that a joint development contract was previously signed between Seoul and Jakarta. The initial cost of the work under the contract is estimated at about $ 8 billion, according to the Korean press.

The presented prototype of the latest fighter, also called the KF-21, demonstrates a technological variant that in many ways resembles the already existing 5th generation fighters, including the American F-35.

The Korean Prime Minister noted that the creation of such an aircraft will introduce the Republic of Korea and Indonesia "among the countries of the world capable of independently developing a new generation combat aircraft."

During the presentation of the prototype of the newest fighter, it was noted that it will be distinguished by a high level of automation and robotization, and will receive a stealth coating. Missile weapons will be located in the inner fuselage compartments. Confirmed information that the KF-X will be single. Its combat training options are not reported.

At the same time, the Korean media are arguing about which generation this aircraft belongs to. In particular, it is noted that if a fighter receives stealth coverage, this does not yet make it belonging to generation 5.

Broadcast from the presentation of the prototype of the fighter:

Comments

[Roma 1977]

Is the engine American?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Roma-1977

Is the engine American?

And the S-shaped air intake is in doubt.

[vic02]

There is an S-shape. The engine is offset from the air intake.

[Vladimir_2U]

Well, somehow the chassis does not allow the Korean to roam in this regard, and in the video, the OTs are prudently covered with plugs. And in your picture there is also an external suspension, so the picture is somewhat inappropriate.

[vic02]

The chassis just doesn't interfere. The F-22 has exactly the same layout. Do you think the F-22 has an armament bay

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: vic02

The F-22 has exactly the same layout. Do you think the F-22 has an armament bay

The Korean is much more modest in size. So the F-22 circuit may not work.

[vic02]

And yes, he just has no other suspension, except for the external one. On the belly there are only semi-submerged missile sites, like the MiG-31

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: vic02

And yes, he just has no other suspension, except for the external

Well then, the claims to the VZ channel are withdrawn!

[voyaka uh]

Right. Earlier they wrote that it has no internal compartments.

[bayard]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

And the S-shaped air intake is in doubt.

The S-shape of the air intake duct is a classic from the 3rd generation.
I would not even raise such a question.
Especially about the Koreans.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: bayard

The S-shape of the air intake duct is a classic from the 3rd generation.

And are there many such third-generation fighters with an S-channel to reduce radar signature? And how much does such a channel cover the rotor of the engine compressor in a third-generation fighter? None, and very little cover.

[bayard]

Look at Mirages.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: bayard

Look at Mirages.

The fact that this is a single-engine aircraft is nothing convenient? Maybe it's better to look at the Phantom or MiG-25 or Tornado or Jaguar? Or on the Mirage-4.

[bayard]

The installation of S-shaped air intakes began with the 3rd generation, but of course not at all. In the 4th generation, such a channel is already the norm and obligation. So it would be naive to expect the absence of such a banal thing from the 4 ++ aircraft. Believe me, Koreans are not stupid at all.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: bayard

Installation of S-shaped air intakes started with the 3rd generation

Only as a layout solution and only for single drives. So the Tu-154 can be recorded in inconspicuous aircraft, because it has an S-shaped air intake.

Quote: bayard

In the 4th generation, such a channel is already the norm and obligation.

It looks like you haven't even seen the MiG-29, the Su-27, or the Hornets with Needles in the pictures. Sorry, but this is the bottom.

[Guru]

Is the engine American?

And it has two of these engines, so it's a cross between the F22 and the F-35.

[Machito]

So there is a cheap replacement for American Penguins.

[NIKN]

Quote: Guru

And it has two of these engines, so it's a cross between the F22 and the F-35.

Rather, something between F22 and F-18

[dauria]

And it has two of these engines, so it's a cross between the F22 and the F-35.

So there is already a Chinese J-31 according to this scheme and in such sizes. Everything is natural. Sooner or later, the gliders of the F-18 type machines need to be changed, why not reduce the RCS in not too radical ways? Smooth evolution and selection of a compromise between the requirements, to which a reduced ESR has been added. It is possible that the internal weapons compartment of most aircraft will sacrifice the rest of the parameters.

[Jcvai]

The prototype is not yet a prototype flying prototype, but good fellows.

[rocket757]

In Korea, the presentation of the prototype of the newest fighter KF-X is held

All the same, it will be ... a constructor, do it yourself! It hurts a lot of things that are not mine. However, I have not read anywhere that they position themselves as serious aircraft manufacturers ... a rational approach.

[vic02]

They have recently not positioned themselves as serious electronics, either as car manufacturers or shipbuilders, and now they are world leaders in these industries. And the list goes on.

[rocket757]

Well, the rational approach ... and they do ships, cars and electronics well.

[Pessimist22]

4,5 4 ++, why not 4,7 4 +++?

[Russ]

Quote: Pessimist22

4,5 4 ++, why not 4,7 4 +++?

five - - ....

[Guru]

4,5 4 ++, why not 4,7 4 +++?

Because he, 5 -1

[Rocj]

I immediately thought it was F35. 1 to 1.

[mojohed2012]

That's right, everything that is riveted under the 5th generation brand by the Anglo-Saxons and their satellites is strikingly similar to the F-22 and F-35.

[Herman 4223]

This aircraft should not have internal compartments. At least before that, in all the descriptions, only missiles were half-sunk inside the fizelage. That is why Koreans do not refer him to the fifth generation.

[aszzz888]

It would be necessary immediately on the 6th, or 7th ... Which is already trifling on trifles. Ukronazis created there)) tank)) from garbage containers - so they also said that the 5th generation.

[xorek]

Quote: aszzz888

It would be necessary immediately on the 6th, or 7th ... Which is already trifling on trifles. Ukronazis created there)) tank)) from garbage containers - so they also said that the 5th generation.

As you were immediately overlaid with minuses .. They are sitting here on duty

[aszzz888]

xorek
Today, 10: 07

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Quote: aszzz888
It would be necessary immediately on the 6th, or 7th ... Which is already trifling on trifles. Vaughn Ukronazis created)) wassat tank)) from garbage containers - so they also said that the 5th generation. laughing

How were you immediately overlaid with cons ...They sit here on duty bully

Oh yeah! there are presenters here))! Well, nothing, much more adequate - we will break through!

[xorek]

Quote: aszzz888

Well, nothing, much more adequate - we will break through!

Let's break through the sheriff, not the first time !!!

[NDR-791]

Quote: xorek

As you were immediately overlaid with minuses .. They are sitting here on duty

They have Morning Mail now. Reply to letters.

[aszzz888]

NDR-791 (Artyom)
Today, 10: 26
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Quote: xorek
As you were immediately overlaid with minuses .. They are sitting here on duty

They have "Morning Mail" now... Reply to letters.

Stamped, hard workers))!

[xorek]

Quote: NDR-791

Quote: xorek

As you were immediately overlaid with minuses .. They are sitting here on duty

They have Morning Mail now. Reply to letters.

By the way, it was definitely noticed in the morning, they usually "atrocities" here, and by the evening they subside ..

In the evening, complaints are sent out ..))) And they are afraid to answer ..

[SovAr238A]

Quote: xorek

Quote: aszzz888

It would be necessary immediately on the 6th, or 7th ... Which is already trifling on trifles. Ukronazis created there)) tank)) from garbage containers - so they also said that the 5th generation.

As you were immediately overlaid with minuses .. They are sitting here on duty

Freezing nonsense - is it worthy of advantages?

[Pavel57]

Where will they sell it?

[aszzz888]

Pavel57 (Gf)
Today, 10: 01
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Where will they sell it?

They don't know themselves!

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Pavel57

Where will they sell it?

at least it is a joint development of Korea and Indonesia.
plus there will certainly be sales to the countries of Southeast Asia, the Arab countries that cannot afford to buy the F-35 ...

[xorek]

They all love to arrange a straight show, everything shines and is hung with flags ..
Everything is simpler here in Russia, "presentations" are usually carried out in combat conditions .. And our weapons do not need advertising!

[nks]

Quote: xorek

They all love to arrange a straight show, everything shines and is hung with flags ..
Everything is easier in Russia

Quote: xorek

And our weapons do not need advertising!

Almost in eateries they advertise :)

[SovAr238A]

Quote: xorek

They all love to arrange a straight show, everything shines and is hung with flags ..
Everything is simpler here in Russia, "presentations" are usually carried out in combat conditions .. And our weapons do not need advertising!

Well, how can you lie like that all the time ...

"no, this is not a presentation, this is different ... you don't understand ...!"

[Operator]

After stepping on the rake of the Americans with their F-35ABC, which can carry a missile and bomb load for strikes against ground and sea targets exclusively on an external sling with a complete loss of stealth (due to which the whole project was muddied), the Koreans cheerfully ran there with Indonesians with their cardboard layout.

Double highly visible F-15EX - "no, we do not know" (C)

[aszzz888]

Operator (Andrey)
Today, 10: 07
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After stepping on the rake of the Americans with their "Penguin", which can carry a missile and bomb load for strikes against ground and sea targets exclusively on an external sling with a complete loss of stealth (due to which the whole project was muddied), the Koreans cheerfully ran there with Indonesians with their cardboard layout.

Double highly visible F-15EX - "no, we do not know" (C)

Now adherents of fi35 will trample)) you! Hold on! And the fact that the merikatos threw his accomplices for loot !!! with the 35s - 10000000000000000%

[voyaka uh]

"for land and sea targets exclusively on external sling with complete loss of stealth" ////
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For the internal compartments, the F-35 created the JSM stealth anti-ship missile system - Norwegian-American.

"JSM is an aviation modification of the NSM (Naval Strike Missile) medium-range anti-ship missile, designed to engage both surface and ground targets at ranges of up to 500 km."

Illustration:

[Operator]

NSM is a pot-bellied little thing, suitable only for shooting at motor boats.

[voyaka uh]

She has a GOS with a video channel. KVO - 1 m.
Can hit the most vulnerable points of the ship: radars, antennas,
command room. You don't need a lot of explosives.

[Operator]

NSM has subsonic speed - therefore, it gets knocked out of the slingshot.

Now Feng Shui anti-ship missiles are exclusively hypersonic Daggers, Zircons and AGM-183A ARRWs, and they do not fit into any weapons bay: either in the F-35, in the Chinese, in the Korean, in the Japanese, etc. etc. 5th generation aircraft.

[voyaka uh]

"NSM has subsonic speed - therefore, it gets lost from the slingshot" ///
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She is stealth and flies low. It is easy to shoot it down from above - from an airplane with visual detection. But from the ship it is rather difficult.

[Operator]

Any object flying at a height of 5 meters (below it will stick into the waves) is detected by the ship's radar at a distance of at least 18 km - just where the centimeter stealth technology stops working.

Plus, the radiation of the NSM on-board radio transmitter, which broadcasts a video image to the carrier aircraft, is already taking bearings at a missile launch distance of 185 km.

[3danimal]

is detected by the ship's radar at a distance of at least 18 km - just where the centimeter stealth technology stops working.

Tell this to those on the bridge MRK Monsoon
Where did the 18 km come from ??
The image intensifier of this missile is smaller than that of a stealth fighter.

Plus, the radiation of the NSM on-board radio transmitter, which broadcasts a video image to the carrier aircraft, is already taking bearings at a missile launch distance of 185 km.

Bearing by whom? A ship beyond the radio horizon?

[Operator]

The case of MRK "Monsoon" is three centuries ago, then why not the battleship "Potemkin"?

And sho, have the ship's UAV direction finders already been canceled?

[3danimal]

And sho, have the ship's UAV direction finders already been canceled?

No, in the magazines "Weapons of the Future".
In reality, they were not even going to be accepted into service.

The case of MRK "Monsoon" - a third century ago,

So it's an elementary thing, it beats from a slingshot? (Did you personally study?)
There was an article about passing tests in the fleet: the targets are taken more noticeably and the height is set higher (from 50m). Simulators of even a small-sized Harpoon are not used.
And there is logic in this: it is easier to pass the exercises, they give prizes for this ..

[Operator]

Information from hydromayor is misinformation for you

[3danimal]

Knowing how fire / emergency training (not at all) in production is going on, information about passing tests slipshod in the fleet is not surprising.

[3danimal]

Let me remind you about the Monsoon tragedy again.
The target flew higher, the visibility was much higher, subsonic.

[xorek]

Quote: voyaka uh

She has a GOS with a video channel. KVO - 1 m.
Can hit the most vulnerable points of the ship: radars, antennas,
command room. You don't need a lot of explosives.

Where did the sergeant of the TsKHAL have such knowledge on weapons, etc. (Alex introduced himself as simple at the beginning))))) What year has this surprised me? And the professor, including a "simple" Jewish resident ..?
Are they trying to extort answers to our secrets, such simple guys who know Russian well and the specifics of our military-industrial complex? Oh well ..

[3danimal]

Are they extorting from the couch guard? Information that is in the public domain?
Conspiracy studies do not lead to good.

[3danimal]

What happens after an explosion like this on the bridge or in the engine room?
And if there are 5-10 hits?

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Operator

After the attack on the rake of the Americans with their F-35ABC, which can carry a missile and bomb load for strikes against ground and sea targets exclusively on external sling with a complete loss of stealth

Operator, why are you lying again?
Here is a launch from the weapon compartment of a JSM anti-ship and tactical missile with a range of up to 500 km

here are the guided bombs of the GBU family (39 and 53) also in the weapon compartment

[Alan_McCormack]

in its internal compartments is placed a load equal to the standard f 16, two bombs d
907 kg each and two short-range air-to-air missiles.
I don't know about you, but it doesn't look bad to me. After all, his task is just to occupy a niche f 16

[Holuay T.O]

A beautiful plane, I think it will be one of the best

[Cananecat]

Quote: Holuay T.O.

I think it will be one of the best

Could be, they started development like this 20 years ago.

[Holuay T.O]

Except for the USA and Japan, no one will create competition for him.

[Zaurbek]

They will supplant devices such as F16, F15, F18, Su30, Su35 ....... but Sukhikh has a great advantage in the form of an independent manufacturer. And so, if both the Japs and the Turks are planning similar machines, then the concept has the right not to life. I just don't understand why they were saving on internal compartments for strike weapons? It's easier than the Q-Q missile bays .....

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Zaurbek

if both the Japs and the Turks are planning similar machines,

Turks yes, the Japanese make the 6th generation. Their F-3s are at NGAD, Tempest and NGF.

Quote: Zaurbek

only it is not clear why they were saving on internal compartments for strike weapons?

Block 2 will have full compartments. I think they will change their minds to release Block 1, and immediately move on to the second.

[Zaurbek]

What I mean is that you can make compartments for the CD and corr bombs and not go into the complex control system and guidance for V-V missiles, like in a full-fledged 5th generation.

[nks]

What is this "complex control system and guidance system for V-V missiles, like a full-fledged 5th generation."
There are no special control systems for the "5th generation".

[Zaurbek]

And the fact that the rocket is in the compartment? And the GOS does not receive information about the target?

[nks]

hmm, it receives information about the target over the data bus. If you are talking about capturing the target of the GOS, then LOAL (google it yourself) is not made for placement in the compartments (although it may also be needed there) and not for the 5th generation. And in relation to the KF-X - they will still most likely export (and in any case can do it) the URVV. Yes and no, right there is a huge problem - they will mess with the plane itself more, if they do it at all

[Basarev]

Korea is a rich country, will pull. Korea is also a developed country, there are no technological barriers. So there is no need to worry about the future of this aircraft, it will take off just in time and go into production.

[Charik]

Well, if the Korean car industry is not bad, it is possible with planes the same way. It's not from the Americans to buy.

[alexeyrem]

It looks like the Koreans were annoyed by the mattress makers - their own technique instead of the F-35

[voyaka uh]

South Korea purchased 80 F-35 aircraft

[Wolf]

If F35 was really good, Israel would have bought 100 pieces first and received but .........

[voyaka uh]

Israel ordered exactly 100 pieces.
Got 25 so far.
There is a long line of buyers at the F-35. All planes cannot be received at once.
Korea, too, has yet to receive 80.

[Wolf]

Warrior, do you really think you didn't get all 100 from the queue?

[voyaka uh]

Конечно.
F-35s are received by about 11 foreign customers.
None of them received all the planes at once: they receive
several a year. Take turns.
The queue for additional aircraft is 6 years ahead.

[Operator]

Quote: SovAr238A

launch from the weapon compartment of an anti-ship and tactical JSM missile with a flight range of up to 500 km

Don't lie: the JSM is not a rocket, but a racket with a range of 185 km, subsonic speed and a launch weight of 407 kg.

[lopuhan2006]

If we take into account the tenderness of the current ships, then it is quite enough to disable a unit of the level of a frigate at least. The exocets drowned the British without exploding, and here it is quite a combat unit. Do you know a lot of ships in our fleet that are capable of shooting it down, or reflecting, say, 5-6 simultaneously subject? So you shouldn't call a very serious rocket a racket.

[Operator]

Subsonic gadgets 40 years after the Falklands in commercial quantities go off the slingshot

[lopuhan2006]

The lantern, the air intakes, the general layout, with the exception of the twin-engine, are very reminiscent of the F-35. As an "inexpensive" and compromise replacement of the 3-4th generation, it is quite an option. There will be problems with exporting without US permission. This means that the circle of countries-owners is narrowing to a few, but Turkey and India will closely watch this.

[Ax Matt]

And in front of the cockpit, we spied a sensor: all over the place - a naked shirt.

[Puppeteer 111]

in Korean media argue))) There are so many connoisseurs of the Korean language. You can publish an article))

[Pavel57]

To "recoup" development costs, it is necessary to sell at least 200 aircraft.

[Tonpengof]

I think they will even do it, but I think the Americans will allow you to do it on it? You see, every true US country should use American weapons.