In Belarus, the first step has been taken to revise the nature of the Great Patriotic War: an interview

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2012 marks the 200 anniversary of the Patriotic War of the year 1812. In Belarus, the term “World War 1812 of the Year” was withdrawn from official circulation and replaced by “War 1812 of the Year”, “Events of the 1812 of the Year”, etc. Part of the Belarusian intelligentsia was indignant at the overt revisionism of the Belarusian officials and demanded an explanation of what was happening. For a long time, the authorities of Belarus silenced the problem, refused to discuss it and explain the motivation of their actions in removing the term "World War 1812 of the year" from the official circulation. An opinion on the revision of the Belarusian official historiography in an interview with REGNUM was expressed on August 24 by a member of the Writers 'Union of Belarus, a member of the Writers' Union of Russia, the head of the Vitebsk public organization of Russian compatriots "Russian House" Andrei Gerashchenko.

How do you assess the significance of the date of the 200th anniversary of the Patriotic War of 1812 for culture, historical the memory of the Belarusian people?

Science always has both a fundamental and an applied character. And even more so, the story, which in many respects forms our self-consciousness, determines moral and value orientations. Belarusian historiography cannot be a kind of closed club - it is called upon using the scientific methodology to ensure the continuity of the historical values ​​of our people, the foundation on which our present is built. The theme of the Patriotic War of 1812 of the year is quite close to me. I am not a professional historian, however, as a writer and social activist, I am constantly confronted with historical issues. In addition, I am the author of the book “Sons of the Fatherland. The Glorious 1812 Year”, which is being prepared for publication now - therefore, I can probably express my opinion on this issue. My position is as follows: Refusal to recognize the domestic character of the 1812 war of the year is the first inconspicuous stage in the revision of the domestic character of the Great Patriotic War of the 1941-1945 years and the denial of the deed of the Belarusian people.

In the Academy of Sciences of Belarus, universities and ministries there are many who insist on the "progressiveness" of the Napoleonic occupation: allegedly Napoleon was going to abolish serfdom, etc. Perhaps, they are not deprived of the grounds for their assertion that it is not necessary to consider the 1812 war as Patriotic, but Russian-French?

Napoleon Bonaparte was an invader who dreamed of world domination. Napoleon is a bloody usurper and dictator, who buried all the ideals of freedom, equality and fraternity in his homeland in France, possessed, like Adolf Hitler, by the maniacal idea of ​​power over the world. And this figure was not so brilliant - the campaign in Russia revealed many of his strategic and tactical blunders. As a result of the Russian campaign, France lost all of its conquests in Europe and lost both on the continent of Russia and on the sea of ​​Great Britain, having lost many of its colonies. How Hitler Germany suffered a complete collapse.

Victories in the Patriotic War of 1812 and the Great Patriotic War did not happen on their own, but thanks to the courage and resilience of our people. Our ancestors, the Belarusians, created partisan detachments, burned the estates of the noblemen who had betrayed (the same Radziwills), stood to death during the Battle of Borodino.

Today, the university departments tell a lot about the fact that Napoleon had some plans for the abolition of serfdom and almost the creation of the Belarusian national state. All these rumors and speculation. In fact: Napoleon had every opportunity to do anything in the territory occupied by his troops, but he did what he did and that is why he received resistance from the Belarusian peasantry. The so-called "Napoleonophiles" often wishful thinking, consciously present the betrayal of the local nobility as the choice of the Belarusian people.

In modern Belarusian historiography, the partisan movement in the territory of Belarus during the Patriotic War 1812 is being questioned; the emphasis is on the participation of part of the gentry in the war on the side of Napoleon. Where do these trends come from?

Here it is important to perceive at the mental level - the feeling of "ours" and "not ours." So: for the Belarusians, “ours” are Kutuzov and Bagration, a dashing hussar Denis Davydov, literary images of Andrei Bolkonsky and Pierre Bezukhov, and “not ours” are the French and other invaders. If, for modern ideological Russophobes, “ours” are all sorts of accomplices of the French who tried to restore the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, then these are more of a problem of their personal perception of the world. After all, we also had supporters of the Nazis who served in the police — some of them, too, at the suggestion of the collaborators who left for the West themselves, now consider them "fighters against communism."

There is a good joke on this subject. They ask such a "veteran" how he helped ours during the war when he was a child. And he replies: "I brought ammunition to them, and they praised me - Gut! Gut!". But seriously, the Patriotic War 1812 of the year is inseparable from the Belarusian national identity: generations of our people were brought up on the verses of Denis Davydov, "War and Peace" by Leo Tolstoy, later studies, memoirs, novels, films and songs dedicated to this topic. Today, denying the domestic character of the 1812 war of the year is like pardoning the wind. The huge interest shown in the 1812 Patriotic War in Belarus in its 200 anniversary is the best proof of that. Strange, but only at first glance, all these attempts look to try to change the name of the war, and present the case as if it was a stranger to Belarusians. Following this logic, we can say that the Great Patriotic War was not such for residents, for example, to the east of the Urals or Central Asia. I am sure that if we concede to this issue all sorts of figures now and agree with the denial of the national character of the 1812 war of the year, then the next stage of the years through 15-20 (or even earlier) will be the denial of the domestic character of the 1941-1945 war of the year. After all, the Patriotic War of the year 1812 and the Great Patriotic War are connected by common names, meaning and heroics.

I would very much like to be mistaken, but I think that some are already preparing to revise the outcome of the Great Patriotic War and to declare it a war of two invaders - Hitler and Stalin. Byelorussians, by analogy with comments about the 1812 war of the year, will be declared the injured party, and the policemen and other traitors will be declared as one of the parties to the conflict along with the partisans in the “fascist-Soviet” war. Moreover: it is precisely the “Stalinist” partisans who will be responsible for the genocide of the Belarusians, and not the fascists who prepared for this in advance according to the Ost plan.

These are all links of one chain. Why this is still not understood by our leaders in the ideological sphere, I, frankly, is simply incomprehensible. After all, our entire ideology is based on the feat of the Belarusian people during the Great Patriotic War, while we, giving up the theme of the Patriotic War 1812 of the year, are preparing the ground for a strike on the Great Patriotic War.

As REGNUM news agency reported, in the year of the 200 anniversary of the Patriotic War 1812, the authorities of Belarus do not hold large-scale events related to the anniversary date. According to official reports, the authorities of Belarus have scheduled at the end of the year (23-24 in November) several "commemorative events on the occasion of the 200 anniversary of the 1812 war of the year" in Borisov (Minsk region). It is known that for this purpose a certain organizing committee has been created under the leadership of the Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers; coordination of events is entrusted to the Ministry of Culture and the Minsk Regional Executive Committee. Little is known about the activities of this organizing committee, and observers have an opinion about deliberately ignoring the jubilee date.

Recall that in early May, the authorities of Belarus suspended the activities of the Minsk Society of Russian Culture "Rus" - the largest organization of Russian compatriots in the post-Soviet republic. From the beginning of 2012, activists of the MORK "Rus" held about a dozen events dedicated to the anniversary of the Patriotic War 1812. According to experts, the authorities of Belarus gradually liquidate a public organization, which also coincides with the interests of the staff of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia.

We also recall that in response to a proposal from the leadership of the National Academy of Sciences of Belarus to return the notion “Patriotic War of 1812 of the Year” 26 of July 2012 from the Institute of History of the National Academy of Sciences of Belarus received a negative response, justified by the distorted interpretation of opinions of Russian historians - members of the International Napoleonic Society. The Institute of History of the National Academy of Sciences of Belarus came to the conclusion that the use of the term “World War 1812 of the Year” seems unfounded in the official Belarusian historiography.
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  1. 8 company
    -8
    27 August 2012 10: 03
    And where are the fans of Lukashenka, where are the cries of "dad is the best"!
    1. +12
      27 August 2012 10: 23
      Napoleon Bonaparte was an invader who dreamed of world domination.

      The closer the head to the ass, the more shit in it

      Quote: Company 8
      And where are the fans of Lukashenka, where are the cries of "dad is the best"!


      Lesser spitefulness political deputy, this article runs counter to Lukashenko’s statements


      Attempts to dissolve our past
      22.06.2012
      This year, Belarusian-Russian society marks an important date in the history of our fraternal peoples - the 200th anniversary of the Patriotic War of 1812. RB Minister of Information Oleg Proleskovsky and Professor Lev Krishtapovich reflect on the contribution of our peoples to the common victory.

      Within the framework of the Union State of Belarus and Russia, a number of military-patriotic events are planned. So, in places of the battle will be the pupils of the Suvorov schools of Belarus and Russia. This will give impetus to the Russian and Belarusian structures in the field of tourism, will become annual and will be used for military-patriotic education of the youth of Belarus and Russia. Funds have been allocated from the Union State budget for the restoration of the monument to the heroes of the Patriotic War of 1812 in the village of Krasny.

      The relevance of this historical event is also due to the fact that modern "reappraisers" of historical facts seek to falsify not only the specific events of the Patriotic War of 1812, but also the whole meaning of the history of our common Fatherland. They are trying to portray the matter in such a way that it was an ordinary Russian-French war, having nothing to do with the defense of the Fatherland. In every possible way they try to call the Polish gentry Belarusian, and present the Polish military formations of Joseph Poniatowski, Dominic Radziwill and other Napoleonic puppets as Belarusian corps that fought on the side of the French. At the same time, they put an equal sign between the aggressors and defenders of the Fatherland, they hypocritically call to remember all the fellow countrymen who fought, they say, on both sides, pour mounds in their honor, and erect monuments to them.

      This is how the Patriotic War of 1812 is falsified in Belarus, when, as President Alexander Lukashenko rightly remarked, they try to “dissolve our past in the history of both Poland and Lithuania.” That’s why restoring the historical truth about the Patriotic War of 1812 is important for understanding the linear history of our countries, common historical destinies of Belarusians and Russians and the preservation of their unity as the main condition for the development of Belarus and Russia in the modern world.
      1. 8 company
        -5
        27 August 2012 10: 41
        "Less malignant political politician, this article runs counter to Lukashenka's statements"


        Less stupidity, dear opponent, I inform you for enlightenment and enlightenment that nothing is done in Belarus without the approval of Lukashenko. Discipline and order! good
        1. +2
          27 August 2012 15: 01
          Quote: Company 8
          Less nonsense, dear opponent,


          Again rude commandant company? Little about Lukashenko slander on the Internet, an article seems to be written by you?
          1. 8 company
            -1
            27 August 2012 15: 30
            Quote: Vadivak
            Little about Lukashenko slander on the Internet, maybe you wrote an article?


            So you are also an expert in truth? Diverse You Are Ours smile
            1. +2
              27 August 2012 16: 02
              Quote: Company 8
              So you are also an expert in truth


              Unlike you and other former party workers, I don’t water the past with dirt, the brave man found the dead Stalin to kick,
              1. 8 company
                -1
                27 August 2012 16: 20
                Quote: Vadivak
                Unlike you and other former party workers, I don’t water the past with dirt


                This is because you belong to the category of people who do not care what happened to their people in the past. Such woeful patriots.
                1. +2
                  27 August 2012 16: 37
                  Quote: Company 8
                  You belong to the category of people who do not care what happened to their people in the past.


                  It is necessary to relate to the past like all civilized people, to forgive everything and not to forget anything, but what do you need before that? you are on the obgazhivanie past loot cut you have the oldest profession who will pay that and worked
                  1. 8 company
                    0
                    27 August 2012 16: 41
                    Quote: Vadivak
                    you are on the obgazhivanie past loot cut you have the oldest profession who will pay that and worked


                    Oh yes, you’re also an expert on my income. A real impartial judge-moderator - never is rude and never goes to the individual. Well, maybe from time to time ...
                    1. Captain Vrungel
                      +6
                      27 August 2012 18: 46
                      My sister and her husband were sent to MAZ in 1991 after graduation.
                      They live and work there. We came to rest. Her words.
                      It is better to live under a "dictator" and feel free, socially protected, with free education and medicine, progressive and preferential vouchers, than in Ukrainian "democracy", powerless, half-impoverished against the background of "ruling, fattening democrats" with extortions for everything from the housing office to education and medicine, uncertainty about the future.
      2. -43
        27 August 2012 11: 58
        We are not Belarus, but LITHUANIA, Belarusians have called us Catherine 2, Belarus has gone for a while. We have our own story, though closely connected with Russia, how much we got naughty because of her mother, and all Suvorov adversary with his general talents, roll over to him in the grave.
        1. +4
          27 August 2012 12: 12
          Quote: Liasenski
          We are not Belarus, but LITHUANIA, Belarusians have called us Catherine 2, Belarus has gone for a while. We have our own story, though closely connected with Russia, how much we got naughty because of her mother, and all Suvorov adversary with his general talents, roll over to him in the grave.

          The tongue is your filthy hold it back !!!!
          1. 0
            27 August 2012 13: 18
            That’s who’s got a little tongue like that, you don’t get into my ass please.
          2. Fox
            +1
            27 August 2012 16: 48
            he is right, teach history!
          3. +2
            27 August 2012 17: 59
            Litvin, do not touch Suvorov; he beat Genius and Napoleon perfectly in the Alps. All of Europe knows him. And what kind of nation did you come up with? Here Belarus - it sounds proudly, and Litvin - it’s like Lithuanian lackey, but in general you were also under the Poles, while you command me to call you, although our languages ​​are similar and different from those in Lithuania and Poland. bully
          4. REPA1963
            0
            27 August 2012 22: 16
            Well, he probably knows better, he’s Belarus. Unlike you.
          5. Belarusian
            -2
            28 August 2012 13: 05
            Mas .... kalik tyb your eb ... alnik zavalil! I did not blather on people!
        2. +4
          27 August 2012 12: 51
          Well, what could it be ... the victims of the Lithuanian occupation would have been called ... what year the Lithuanians occupied you ... You would have read about those years ... how your ancestors lived ... maybe the enthusiasm subsided. .. and the article without comment ... this is an internal affair of the fraternal Belarusian people ...
          1. -1
            27 August 2012 13: 16
            Lithuania used to be part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, from those times they only had a name and we were one people. I understood the wise guy.
            1. +1
              27 August 2012 18: 10
              Have you thought what you're talking about? Lithuanians and Belarusians have completely different languages. This means that you were Lithuanian vassals and sat under them. Yes
              1. DIMS
                +3
                27 August 2012 18: 12
                Litvin is one thing, Lithuanians are another.
        3. 8 company
          +3
          27 August 2012 12: 55
          Quote: Liasenski
          We are not Belarus, but LITHUANIA


          I recently read a book on the history of Belarus. and it says that in the Middle Ages the population of the western part of modern Belarus, the Brest-Grodno-Minsk region, was called "Litvin", and those who lived in the valley of the Dnieper and Western Dvina rivers (Gomel-Mogilev-Vitebsk) were called "Rus" ... And those who lived in the Moscow area - "Muscovites". The book is called "Land of Belarus. Sluggish of the Principality of Lithuania" V. Orlov.
          1. Syarzhuk
            0
            28 August 2012 00: 15
            You do not get too carried away by Russian historians. When Katya Tsvay history was rewritten. Everything was destroyed and burned. And for some reason, the most valuable things from the Radzivilov castle are stored in the Hermitage.
        4. +3
          27 August 2012 13: 12
          Quote: Liasenski
          We are not Belarus, but LITHUANIA, Belarusians have called us Catherine 2, Belarus has gone for a while. We have our own story, though closely connected with Russia, how much we got naughty because of her mother, and all Suvorov adversary with his general talents, roll over to him in the grave.

          Why did it even come up? Began...
          Quote: Liasenski
          We have our own story

          History is corrected depending on the situation. Now, apparently, it’s beneficial for someone to swim out like you. Look crazy do not lose your own exclusiveness.
        5. +18
          27 August 2012 13: 12
          Liasenski, and I always believed that during the Tatar-Mongol invasion, the Mongols established control over the eastern part of Russia, and at that time the Lithuanian principalities chopped off the western part of Kievan Rus to themselves under the guise. (is it not from this moment that the Litvinians appeared?) Then the Lithuanian prince, in order to make it more convenient to communicate with the West, adopted Catholicism. Further, Eastern Russia throws off the Mongol Igo. But as this liberated half-Russia is called, Toli of Muscovy, Toli are generally several separate Russian principalities. Further from these principalities Moscow is gaining strength and the rest is crushing under itself. So, Eastern Russia is free, united again and called the Russian kingdom, and then Russia. Western Russia is still located along the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Then comes the unification of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania with the Commonwealth and now, Western Russia is already part of the Commonwealth. Then Russia grows and grows stronger, the Commonwealth withers away and finally gives Russia the captured lands of western Kievan Rus. All. from this moment (somewhere in the middle of the 18th century) Kievan Rus was united, but not under the leadership of Kiev, but under the leadership of Moscow can be said. (Petersburg, as it were, its successor).
          So if you feel closer to the Poles and Lithuania, then please, you are Litvin, if to Russians and Kievan Rus, then Belarus.
          1. +2
            27 August 2012 13: 28
            Here is a perfectly true and adequate historical excursion ... plus ...
            1. +2
              27 August 2012 14: 12
              In general, you can agree, only now


              And this activist was far from such a genius - the campaign in Russia revealed many of his miscalculations, both strategic and tactical.


              Diminishing the dignity of the enemy automatically reduces the victory over him.

              And from such statements (albeit generally in the correct speech), one can slip to the point that calling Napoleon a stupid "useless" with a bunch of shabby Corsicans. And as a fact to discredit the whole glory of Russian weapons and the GREAT VICTORY IN THE FIRST PATRIOTIC WAR
            2. 0
              27 August 2012 18: 16
              Yes, I also agree with that. Yes Bridge, you are a plus.
            3. DIMS
              0
              27 August 2012 19: 07
              True since it corresponds to officialdom? In fact, it was not so.
          2. -1
            27 August 2012 14: 02
            big minus, even arguing a little
            1. 0
              27 August 2012 14: 18
              And I didn’t write it for the sake of argument, I would be interested to know your point of view.
              1. 0
                27 August 2012 14: 46
                Looked at the Pedagogy. She writes:
                "there are at least eight meanings of the concept of" Lithuanian ": the definition of the state belonging of" Rusyns ", Lithuanians and representatives of other peoples to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania; territorial term); the name of the Lithuanian ethnos proper (mainly on the territory of Aukštaitija); the name of the Lithuanian ethnos in wider territorial boundaries, including the Lithuanians who lived in Podlasie and western lands of modern Belarus. "
                An enlightener and first printer Francis Skorina, a native of Polotsk, enrolled as a “Litvin” to the University of Krakow (1505) and a “Rusyn” to the University of Padua.
                She does not speak of any Litvin people.
            2. +4
              28 August 2012 01: 37
              Quote: Liasenski
              big minus, even arguing a little

              When there are no sound arguments other than heresy farfetched such as ukrov, Litvin,
              Himalayans, etc. that is reluctance to argue, Because you can’t argue against the historical truth, it can only be perverted.

              I look and in Belarus Munchausen-Litvin appeared
          3. DIMS
            +1
            27 August 2012 15: 14
            and I always believed that during the Tatar-Mongol invasion, the Mongols established control over the eastern part of Russia, and at that time the Lithuanian principalities chopped off the western part of Kievan Rus to themselves under the guise. (it is not from this moment that the Litvinians appeared?

            You have huge problems with the chronology
          4. +4
            27 August 2012 19: 19
            Quote: Bridge
            So if you feel closer to the Poles and Lithuania, then please, you are Litvin, if to Russians and Kievan Rus, then Belarus.

            Your whole comment can be described as I heard a ringing, but I don’t know where it is.
            The third section of the Commonwealth occurred in 1795 under Catherine the Great, 17 years before the war with Napaleon.
            But the author of the article consciously or unconsciously mixes the war with Napaleon and the war with Hitler.
            The attitude to the war with Napaleon was ambiguous, and this is understandable since Russia was recently joined to Russia.
            A completely different attitude to the war with Hitler, every fourth Belarusian partisan movement perished was massive, and we don’t have any clubs in parades.
            From the article there was a negative residue to the author of the article put a minus.
            1. +3
              27 August 2012 21: 02
              I agree with you ... The article feels a clear distortion of concepts.
              Put a minus.
            2. Syarzhuk
              -1
              28 August 2012 00: 29
              In vain they fought. Do you know that the BSSR after the war was blown away by a third? Stalin gave Bialystok to the Poles, Smolensk to himself; Vilnius-Lithuanians part of the land went to the Latvians. We must cry and not be proud.
              1. Patton135
                +1
                28 August 2012 13: 16
                If they hadn’t fought, then there wouldn’t be such a people-Belarusians at all.
        6. +1
          27 August 2012 23: 25
          But among the Litvin, there were different people. I hope the name of Prince Dmitry Mikhailovich Bobrok (Gedimin’s grandson) is familiar. Beaver was the governor of the Grand Duke of White Russia Dmitry Ivanovich (Donskoy), the hero of the Battle of Kulikovo, commanded an ambush regiment, which played a decisive role in the battle. And to recall the sons of Olgerd, who (not all of course) served Dmitry Donskoy faithfully. By the way, there were Orthodox Christians, their mother was Ulyaniya, the daughter of Prince of Tver. Again, Litvin Prince Ostey laid his head in defense of Moscow during the invasion of Tokhtamysh. It seems to me that you are not looking for authority there, your ancestors were wiser.
        7. Belarusian
          0
          28 August 2012 13: 02
          Long live Belarus !!!!! drinks good
    2. T72B
      -2
      27 August 2012 10: 33
      Ltd! Mr. Comrade Commissar Voroshen. Quickly, you, Mr. Commissar, were reformed from the propaganda of Marxism-Leninism to a liberal mouthpiece. The party is your helmsman! Or how were your commissars?
      1. 8 company
        0
        27 August 2012 11: 04
        Quote: T72Б
        Quickly, you, Mr. Commissar, were reformed from the propaganda of Marxism-Leninism to a liberal mouthpiece


        And does this tell me the man who fled from his homeland, exchanging it for a Canadian liberal pie? Thanks, laughed laughing
        1. T72B
          0
          27 August 2012 11: 19
          I love the ridiculous and wacky political workers. And yet they know, and everywhere they visited. That Toko with flags from the political officers is not very. Didn’t they teach the commissars the flag signaling on tactics? Or maybe they didn’t have tactics? In general, the commissars are such wonderful people who change color and gender so quickly that where is your Hakobyan. And how professionally they know how to kick a tear. You know, you can’t believe in any way, but he lies so skillfully and dodges just like in a frying pan. It’s interesting, but the one who, like Mavrodi, also completed a commissar bursa or is he a commissar in his soul (he painfully smacks of habits).
          1. 8 company
            +2
            27 August 2012 11: 49
            Quote: T72Б
            I love the ridiculous and wacky political workers.


            And I love hypocrites like you. They suck all suckers to a high standard of living in the West and at the same time they hate liberals and democrats with all their souls, even saliva flies in all directions. And at the same time they blather something, they teach someone patriotism. Awesome sight fellow
            1. T72B
              +1
              27 August 2012 11: 57
              Politruk, you bothered me with your tarpaulin propaganda back in the army. Well, nothing, maybe I’ll see you later at a meeting of fellow soldiers. There will be something to talk about.
              PS
              Some strange dictator Lukashenka. Former commissars, and now tolerant liberals, revile the "dictator" at every corner, as they want and like water off a duck's back. With such happiness and freedom? Oh well...
              1. 8 company
                0
                27 August 2012 12: 07
                Quote: T72Б
                There will be something to talk about.


                For God's sake. Money to throw a long way home, a mysterious fellow soldier? Can you open your face, huh?
                1. T72B
                  0
                  27 August 2012 12: 22
                  Money to throw a long way home ...
                  Do you draw the money yourself or does it take you abroad to incite to kindle?

                  Can you open your face, huh?
                  When meeting, be sure. Yes, and here is not worth the flood. Our old affairs in this forum are of no interest to anyone.
                  1. 8 company
                    0
                    27 August 2012 12: 48
                    Quote: T72Б
                    Our old affairs in this forum are of no interest to anyone.


                    So I did not offer to flood and discuss "old cases", I just asked to introduce myself, as is customary among normal fellow soldiers who have nothing to hide. Well, no, no, not really hoping.
                  2. 0
                    27 August 2012 13: 00
                    So is this really your fellow soldier? And was he really a political instructor ??
                    1. +1
                      27 August 2012 15: 03
                      Quote: Alexander Petrovich
                      And was he really a political instructor ??


                      In the curfew company
                      1. 8 company
                        -1
                        27 August 2012 15: 49
                        Quote: Vadivak
                        In the curfew company


                        Wow, another secret fellow soldier! I will start collecting you fellow
                      2. +1
                        27 August 2012 16: 04
                        Quote: Company 8
                        Wow, another secret fellow soldier!


                        Well, yes you don’t grind it with your tongue, your mouth is closed, and the workplace is removed
                      3. 8 company
                        0
                        27 August 2012 16: 24
                        Quote: Vadivak
                        Well, yes you don’t grind it with your tongue, your mouth is closed, and the workplace is removed


                        Wow, yes, you are familiar with army folklore, I can throw more:
                        PPR (party political work) - Sat-Potryndeli-Separated. Submit to your political dossiers. wink
          2. 0
            27 August 2012 11: 55
            Dear Belarusians. It seems to me, or is the Belarusian language very similar to Ukrainian? And if so, then he has always been like that or in recent decades.
            1. T72B
              0
              27 August 2012 12: 06
              So-called Ukrainian rural is very similar. Yatvyaz (Yatvyag is a tribe living in the south of Belarus). But in general, Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian are very similar to each other, but with quite tangible differences.
              1. 0
                27 August 2012 13: 06
                Thanks for the answer, but I understand little about Belarus TV.
              2. 0
                27 August 2012 18: 30
                In, in! It says something. Our languages ​​are similar. So we are one nation, artificially separated, and there were no Litvinians at all. The tsar-father united all, and the liberals again destroyed the Eastern Slavs.
            2. bachast
              +1
              27 August 2012 12: 29
              And this one is similar wink
              1. +1
                27 August 2012 13: 09
                laughing good Kiss ki se yozhin?
          3. 0
            27 August 2012 12: 27
            Listen, Canadian shit, political workers, that is, commissars. It was the political cement of the army, they were the first to attack, the first to be shot by fascists and democrats like you who were traitors. How quickly the color changed for foreign females.
            1. T72B
              +1
              27 August 2012 12: 32
              Kalokordin, baby, what kind of glue did you sniff?
            2. +1
              27 August 2012 13: 36
              You do not pay attention ... judging by the text of 15 years ... he judging by the intelligence, the army service is just ahead ... so they will teach him not only to love his homeland ... but the Canadian anthem to sing ... plus ..
            3. +2
              27 August 2012 15: 06
              Quote: valokordin
              It was the political cement of the army, they were the first to attack, the first to be shot by fascists like you and democrats-traitors.


              That's right, just do not equate the commissars of the Second World War with the political leaders of the 80s, this is a completely different story
      2. -1
        27 August 2012 14: 35
        What have the commissars got to do with it? And who is your "helmsman"? Is it a pro-Western liberalism? And the spelling would not hurt to teach.
        1. +1
          27 August 2012 18: 24
          but nothing that the Tatar Mongol yoke was not ?? We have always been Russian, and this is proved not only by a certain scientist in historical documents, but science also proves that our scientists, Novosibirsk astronomers, have long proved that there was no yoke. They compared the dates of eclipses and the dates of historical events, for two hundred years the yoke fell out of these events for some reason .. And this is not recorded .. Our history is distorted so that ... there are no words .. well, it’s understandable for what .. Share and conquer ((
          1. bye
            bye
            -3
            27 August 2012 18: 28
            Yasen Pin, drive into the skull, Remember Seryoga, bitch !!! You’ll answer in full, but from tomorrow, breathe evenly today am
          2. Needle
            -1
            27 August 2012 19: 01
            And there are a lot of such gawks with high self-esteem? Threatening to drive into shards hmm?
            1. -2
              27 August 2012 19: 08
              Quote: Needle
              l such gavnyukov with an overestimated self-esteem? Threatening in shards to drive hmm?

              Any difficulties? Well, let's say I can help you with skulls, start right away? .A for the shit, you already got your well-deserved minus. And I am not the last one am
              1. Needle
                -1
                27 August 2012 19: 17
                Which one of the bastards too? Yes, it seems.
    3. Ratibor12
      +1
      27 August 2012 17: 54
      Quote: Company 8
      And where are the fans of Lukashenka, where are the cries of "dad is the best"!


      And where are the screams of Autonomous Infamous Announcers ??? Aha, here they are! - "Napoleon against Lukashenko! Lukashenko for Napoleon! Lukashenko riding Napoleon !!! Napoleon votes for Lukashenko !!!" Blah-I-I-I -....

      That will not bother the wretched knock on the keys !!! As it says here:
      Quote: Vadivak
      The closer the head to the ass, the more shit in it

      Here the case is worse: it seems that one ass immediately develops into a second. IMMEDIATELY! Without a neck !!!
    4. GHG
      GHG
      +1
      28 August 2012 05: 14
      Do not touch Old Man Lukashenko ... he has a good order with him. Whoever we put in order (order). We have ... no order means democracy. There is order ... that means democracy is coming to you.
  2. +2
    27 August 2012 10: 07
    And here they swing ...
  3. +1
    27 August 2012 10: 10
    Here we love to dive on the issue of new chronologies, alternative stories.
    And here is the current story. Today's story.
    Decision of the Institute of History of the National Academy of Belarus. But someone signed this decision, these people have surnames, names, scientific ranks, and positions.
    Who are they, why weren’t they named?
    ...
    ".. It is known that for this a certain organizing committee has been created under the leadership of the Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers, the coordination of events is entrusted to the Ministry of Culture and the Minsk Executive Committee. Little is known about the activities of this organizing committee among observers an opinion is being formed about consciously ignoring the anniversary date.
    Don’t go to the grandmother.
    Old Man will find out - who benefits?
    1. +2
      27 August 2012 11: 15
      Igarr,
      Greetings Igor! So it seemed to me that this was the injection of "clean" water.
  4. -1
    27 August 2012 10: 17
    I didn’t understand something today the withdrawal of the word Patriotic from circulation "Patriotic War of 1812" and tomorrow that withdrawal of the same word from circulation "The Patriotic War of 1941-1945".

    How do you understand Mr. Lukashenko and what does this mean ???
    1. T72B
      0
      27 August 2012 10: 36
      Does Regnum.ru give only 100 pound-accurate information? Before making any conclusions, it is better to double-check on serious sources.
    2. 0
      27 August 2012 10: 39
      no, they probably want as the US ambassador to Uzbekistan belched: "the Russian-German conflict of 41-45 No.
    3. -4
      27 August 2012 12: 04
      My father during the war was 10 years old, he told me that during the day the policemen robbed, and at night the partisans. Personally, I can’t call the 1941-1945 war domestic only because our country was not at that time, and there was a country that oppressed its people.
      1. +5
        27 August 2012 12: 16
        Quote: Liasenski
        Personally, I can’t call the 1941-1945 war domestic only because our country was not then, and there was a country that oppressed its people.

        You have it and now along the way there is no such worldview
        1. 0
          27 August 2012 13: 22
          Now I have not only the FATHERLAND but also the MOTHERLAND
          1. pribolt
            0
            27 August 2012 16: 53
            Quote: Liasenski
            Now I have not only the FATHERLAND but also the MOTHERLAND


            Dear, as I understand it, you live somewhere near Grodno, you probably have a brain fog over your Pole’s passport.
            1. -3
              27 August 2012 20: 10
              Mogilev WE
              1. pribolt
                0
                28 August 2012 15: 53
                It is strange when the inhabitants of Mogilev have thoughts that they are "Litvins"
          2. +1
            27 August 2012 17: 26
            Judging by the judgments, a very dubious statement negative
      2. 8 company
        +3
        27 August 2012 14: 28
        Quote: Liasenski
        My father was 10 years old during the war, he told me that during the day the police robbed and partisans at night.


        No exaggeration. My relatives were all in occupation, and if the Germans and policemen robbed without a twinge of conscience, then you could complain about the partisan and they could even shoot him for such things. My grandmother had such partisans lying around at her feet so that she would not give him out for robbery to the detachment commander.
        1. +1
          27 August 2012 16: 48
          The partisans and detachments were different, and I said what I heard from my father to him already for 80. The Germans shot this partisan detachment from minamets, and only a few survived. And also local residents left for the forest, the Germans threw grenades at their dugouts, they say the earth moved for several days, only one survived, then he died at the front. War brings only grief, both for residents and soldiers. There is no excuse for unleashing the politicians.
          1. 8 company
            +1
            27 August 2012 16: 58
            Liasenski,
            I agree, but one should not equate the partisans with the invaders, saying that "everyone was robbed." By the way, in the partisan detachment in the Vitebsk region, which was commanded by my relative, there was a German who went on the most important assignments - mainly "to the piece of iron". And he died with a machine gun in his hands, covering the retreat of the group. Anything can happen: both heroes and scum can be found everywhere ...
        2. 0
          27 August 2012 22: 03
          Quote: Company 8
          My grandmother had such partisans at her feet,

          And my grandfather wasn’t lying around.
          The commander sent to the village for provisions, and the most prosperous family of the collective farm chairman, so their grandfather took the goat from them, brought him into the detachment and shot him like a looter, the collective farm chairman was the commander.
          Then, after the war, they sorted it out and a grandmother built a house.
  5. 0
    27 August 2012 10: 38
    no, they probably want as the US ambassador belched: "the Russian-German conflict of 41-45 years" No.
  6. Jeen
    -6
    27 August 2012 10: 41
    Oh no no no! Around, all around enemies
  7. +12
    27 August 2012 10: 42
    And what you attacked Belarus, we have soon the new education ministers themselves will destroy everything! I’ll deal with my idiotic leaders, and propaganda, by the way! That I haven’t seen deep and clever documentaries about our victory, about our weapons on TV for a long time. All that is American. Nauseous even!
    And I am sure the Belarusians themselves will figure out where the Great Patriotic, and where their Western licking!
    1. +3
      27 August 2012 14: 41
      I completely agree with you. I personally asked the question of young people drinking beer at the entrance, do you know Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya? In response, stupid questioning looks. I ask, who took Berlin? Again, dead silence ... And this is in our country, and this is our education about Americans or anyone else to talk about. It's a shame and pain.
      1. stroporez
        0
        28 August 2012 11: 11
        no wonder - such a population is being prepared that oil, gas, metal --- will be ready to give for beads and mirrors))))))))))))))))
  8. +5
    27 August 2012 10: 58
    Damn, it's like an epidemic. All the former Soviet republics instantly woke up with the old "Napoleon complex" and megalomania. Or in truth they say the smaller the object, the shitty it is. Or there is nothing else to do. Who knows who, but the Belarusians - they do not let half of the government go to the West (the dad was shaved with the Olympics), but there too. Everyone wants to cling to Western "values" and democracy. Belarus akstis-they do not need you nafig. What can you give them, acrome potatoes. Throw in the neck such doldons from history. Until it's not too late. Or what? have the Belarusian people stopped thinking?
    1. +4
      27 August 2012 12: 53
      People think but who asks him. Textbooks will be rewritten and my whole child is already teaching a completely different story
    2. 0
      27 August 2012 16: 52
      to me personally, the West and non-paid for free, they have a different culture and religion alien to me. It is they who climb to us with their values ​​and truths. True, each has its own, including mine.
      1. T72B
        0
        27 August 2012 20: 31
        Not tired of this hackneyed record: does everyone have their own truth? The truth is always one. Everyone's attempts to smear himself beloved are different.
  9. +3
    27 August 2012 11: 11
    I think that it will reach the Old Man and someone will get on their professorial points.

    It is foolish to deny that in Belarus there are no Westerners and Russophobes.
    Of course there is ... So they are trying, despite a rather serious order in the country, to promote their lousy little ideas.

    And Ukrainian historians do not let Belarusian historical liberals sleep peacefully.

    Well, let's hope that they get enough sleep on the bunks.
    1. BSSR
      0
      27 August 2012 13: 11
      Quote: volkan
      I think that it will reach the Old Man and someone will get on their professorial points.
      Your dad cares about the nose more important than this topic.

      Quote: volkan
      It is foolish to deny that in Belarus there are no Westerners and Russophobes.
      In any case, there are fewer of them than in Russia itself, in% ratio if that.
      1. +2
        27 August 2012 15: 11
        BSSR
        Actually, I'm talking about your Old Man.

        And he really should have a lot of worries ..... while everyone like you will teach you to love your homeland.
        Quote: BSSR
        In any case, there are fewer of them than in Russia itself, in% ratio if that.


        Do you have numbers ???? no way from bulk ???? it has millions and universes and galaxies and everything that exists and generally kapets everything .... even mice and microbes in Russia are against power


        And there are not so many bastards who hate everything Russian as they would like ...... I would say zilch ... and that’s it.
        So .... the intellectual circle of nonsense.
        1. BSSR
          +1
          27 August 2012 17: 41
          Quote: volkan
          Actually, I'm talking about your Old Man.
          Pogonyalovo "Old Man" for Lukashenka came from Russia and we rarely call it that, so this is not our father at all.

          There are no figures for Russophobian sentiments in Belarus. We do not cultivate blind hatred of either the West or Russia, and such topics are not even discussed.
          It’s the only thing on opposition sites that people sometimes show hatred in their posts, for the Kremlin meetings for having warmed a snake with a Lukashenka, for the Russians themselves there are no complaints.

          It’s only you who are to blame for everything, then liberals, then the State Department, then someone else - don’t understand who. After the defeat in the war, the Germans did not blame Hitler / Stalin / and the alliance; instead, they blamed themselves on the crimes. It is worthy of respect.
    2. +1
      27 August 2012 13: 25
      in our country they shut down TNT and rewrite history only after approval! draw conclusions
  10. 8 company
    -2
    27 August 2012 11: 18
    Wow, who would have thought? winked
    1. T72B
      +1
      27 August 2012 11: 29
      Mr. former commissar, it is not necessary to portray profundity where it cannot be by definition. I remember your "pearls" from across the river.
    2. 8 company
      +1
      27 August 2012 11: 52
      Quote: Company 8
      Wow, who would have thought?


      Wow, how many supporters of the Lukashenko-Saakashvili tandem we have on the site are so actively minus! I'm in shock belay
      1. T72B
        0
        27 August 2012 12: 09
        I recognize the commissar's hand: blow into flour and think that I made a lasting impression. Andrei, there are no soldiers here and you will not order them to obey your opinion, even if you are in shock.
      2. bachast
        +1
        27 August 2012 13: 02
        who would have thought?

        Not Andrei, it just really was. And in the CIS he was and in friendship he admitted
        "We want to be friends with our neighbors. I reaffirm what I said earlier and again extend my hand of friendship to Russia. I am sure that together with Russia we will be able to mend relations, provided that our sovereignty and territorial integrity are respected," Saakashvili said, speaking to the armed by the forces of the country.
        1. 8 company
          +1
          27 August 2012 13: 12
          Quote: bachast
          Not Andrei, it just really was. And in the CIS he was and in friendship he admitted


          I had in mind the behavior of Lukashenko after the war of 08.08.2008. First, he openly supported Russia, and then abruptly threw the weather vane 180 degrees and began to kiss with Saakashvili. Just during this period, by a strange coincidence, his relations with the West improved slightly, loans from the west went ...
  11. +2
    27 August 2012 11: 53
    "... Recall that in early May, the Belarusian authorities suspended the activities of the Minsk society of Russian culture" Rus "- the largest organization of Russian compatriots in the post-Soviet republic" ...

    "According to experts, the Belarusian authorities are gradually liquidating the public organization,
    which also coincides with the interests of the Russian Foreign Ministry..."

    Guys, I specifically highlighted in bold a very interesting and important place.
    What are these interests of the Russian Foreign Ministry? Drive a wedge?
    And how to understand this?
    1. 0
      27 August 2012 21: 16
      Samsebenaum
      The bottom line is that in Belarus, as in other republics, there are several organizations of compatriots. Recently, huge amounts of money have been allocated from the Russian budget to support these organizations, but apparently not everyone has got it. Some, possibly unreliable, were weeded out. Just in Belarus just recently there was some kind of serious squabble between two alternative organizations representing compatriots. What is the dispute between them - not in the know, but it is. And now there’s also a lot of money.
  12. +2
    27 August 2012 12: 17
    Driving wedges between fraternal peoples continues at full speed.
    1. -1
      27 August 2012 16: 55
      and you are one of those who hammer this wedge to the end, judging by your dirty words
      1. 0
        27 August 2012 17: 21
        Quote: Liasenski
        and you are one of those who hammer this wedge to the end, judging by your dirty words

        Come on, darling, cite at least one of my post where I spoke derogatoryly about Belarus or Belarusians.
        Quote: Liasenski
        with Russia, how much we got naughty because of her mother, and all Suvorov, the adversary with his general talents, rolled over in his grave.
        aren't your words I hope you are aware that Suvorov is considered with us the Great Commander, who was completely rooting for Russia? So there’s nothing to pour dirt on Russia and our common history
        1. -3
          27 August 2012 19: 53
          Minus me further, but I will say. For the Russians, I’m not arguing, the great commander, but for me, the occupier of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which, if not for the Poles, had become a kingdom. Learn the story dear. You said dirty words to me, which means in my face and in BELARUS (what to do, we will call my country like that), as I think most of my countrymen and we have no freedom of speech, everything can be said and discussed, Old Man does not interfere , there is no dictatorship, it was invented in the USA and Europe. God be their judge.
          1. Insurgent
            0
            27 August 2012 21: 47
            And if it weren’t for the Poles, but if it weren’t for the Germans and so on, q What does the Occupant mean to me, were you born under Suvorov?
            Ordinary people did not give a damn about Lithuania, they gravitated towards Russia, why did Vaevoda come from Mogilev and its inhabitants supported Russia in the 17th century
            1. DIMS
              +1
              27 August 2012 21: 57
              why Vaevoda was visited by Mogilev and its inhabitants supported Russia in the 17th century

              I handed over. August 25, 1654. Then the truth turned over again. And on February 1, 1661, the Mogilev townspeople massacred the local streltsy garrison. Not so simple as you think
          2. 0
            27 August 2012 22: 53
            Quote: Liasenski
            You said dirty words to me

            My words, by no means dirty, but harsh, were said in response to your filth in the address of our great compatriot.
            Quote: Liasenski
            which means in my face and in BELARUS

            Do you take too much on yourself, the legs will not buckle? You cannot represent Belarus even if you position yourself as a Litvin, whose homeland is the great Lithuanian princedom. But the statement that the Russian invaders and all that is not new, come up with something more interesting than this old button accordion. But it is banal and just boring. And once again proves that all kinds of home-grown Russophobes, as a rule, do not shine with their minds fool
            1. DIMS
              +1
              27 August 2012 23: 13
              Dear, do you think that the history of the relationship between the Grand Duchy of Moscow and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania is light and cloudless?
              Or do you propose to Belarusians, in order not to be Russophobes, to erase this period from their history, so to speak, to bring it to the altar of great friendship with a self-appointed "elder brother"?
              But Suvorov ... I remember his Bolsheviks scolding horror for participating in the suppression of the Pugachev uprising
              1. +1
                28 August 2012 10: 49
                And where does the history of relations between the ancient states come from? How many people have fought with anyone in the whole history? Yes, the same Ivan the Terrible at one time what massacre in Novgorod the Great arranged. And now what? I, as a Novgorodian, now yell about Moscow’s occupation of Novgorod and demand separation and independence? I do not propose deleting anything from history. Just do not use historical events to delimit peoples and the collapse of states. The Union was destroyed, now they are trying to break Russia. Yes, if you wish, in any state you can find a bunch of contradictions of a national nature and, based on them, quarrel people. And the Bolsheviks scolded many people. Until Stalin put them all to the wall. And then the Order of Suvorov was established.
    2. +6
      27 August 2012 16: 56
      "We, Lithuanians", the main thing is to disown Russia, and then it will go further - we are Khazars, Pechenegs, and, in general, Scythians, not Russians ... Kipling has a character, a jackal-asshole tiger Sherkhan, very modern for an allegory on American lackeys who hope for dividends in the new world order from the "master of the jungle". There are no Russians, no Russia, the only country that can interfere with US domination, can destroy them. Judas fleeing from the Russians will be generously encouraged. Was Bagration or Barclay de Tolly Russian? They were Russians! To do this, you need to love Russia as you love your Fatherland, not sparing your belly, and, it does not matter if you are a Lithuanian or someone else, Russian, - not so much a nationality as a state of mind, love for the land, "with a short name - Russia ".
      1. +1
        27 August 2012 20: 00
        Dear, to begin with, BELARUS is now an independent state with its president and I am not disowning RUSSIA, I have given an elementary historical background. God willing, I will soon publish an article about the MOTHER OF THE POLTAVA VICTORY about my homeland where I was born and raised. This battle was a proof of the devotion of the Belarusian people to Ruskom and vice versa.
        1. 0
          27 August 2012 20: 25
          Don’t take it, Mikhail, at your own expense, I didn’t want to offend you, remembering the Litvinians. Unfortunately, in Russia itself the topic of patriotism is more relevant than in Belarus. You, without a doubt, have the right to your opinion and, I hope, write an interesting article.
        2. +1
          27 August 2012 21: 33
          I don’t know what article you will write with such an attitude to history and ... the Belarusian people. A real Belarusian will never say that Suvorov is an occupier. It just wouldn't occur to him. Since Suvorov is the same commander for him as for any Russian person. But the representative of the small, offended people of the "Litvin" may well. Isn't that what people who promote the theory of the non-existent Lithuanian people are counting on? Have you ever heard offensive comments about Napoleon from a Russian? Then, what does Suvorov have to do with it as an occupier? He is a soldier and carried out orders. And he fought not with the Belarusian people, but with the Polish gentry, who raised this uprising. Are you worried about the Polish gentry? Oh well.)
  13. Yemelya
    -3
    27 August 2012 13: 29
    Why is the title of the article "The Great Patriotic War"?

    For me, the so-called war until the twentieth century. national and domestic is not worth it - the elites fought, and in Russia the elite was by no means popular, but some kind of German-Polish-Tatar, and what their nobleness was better than Napoleon, no one can still say. How it pressed, how it smelled of the loss of feudal privileges and the harsh end of idle idleness, so they screamed about the nationality, were forbidden to speak in the army in French, and then, as if nothing had happened, they were serfdom. shit, in a word, fled after 1917, only the heels sparkled.
    1. +1
      27 August 2012 15: 18
      Yemelya

      Meli Emelya ... your week laughing

      Quote: Emelya
      For me, the so-called war until the twentieth century. national and domestic is not worth it - the elites fought, and in Russia the elite was by no means popular, but some kind of German-Polish-Tatar, and what their nobleness was better than Napoleon, no one can still say. How it pressed, how it smelled of the loss of feudal privileges and the harsh end of idle idleness, so they screamed about the nationality, were forbidden to speak in the army in French, and then, as if nothing had happened, they were serfdom. shit, in a word, fled after 1917, only the heels sparkled.


      I have not read such a miracle for a long time ...... After all, it’s sincerely written so ......

      Well, you at least read the story or something.

      And what do you think it was when the Army was on the battlefield, and the people in the forest partisan ???

      That way you will soon and the Great Patriotic War 41-45 years. call the war the Bolshevik commissars with the German fascist barons.
      1. Yemelya
        0
        27 August 2012 19: 12
        The people were not the subject of politics at that time. Wars were commonplace. The partisan movement is a separate issue, in which, as it seems to me, much is kept silent - why did the peasants love the noble nobility for the sake of it? It is clear that the French were attacked by the Cossacks under the command of commanders such as D. Davydov. I think that the locals really beat the retreating vrants - firstly, to defend their property, which the hungry and frostbitten could covet, and secondly, because they were hungry, frostbitten and demoralized. But what happened to the noblemen who did not have time to slip away in the summer and autumn, if there were any, history is silent. The war was "patriotic" only for the nobles and priests - the parasitic estates, whom Napoleon removed from power in Europe. So they sang about the nationality and Napoleon the Antichrist.
  14. +1
    27 August 2012 13: 45
    And by the way, this is the only war where translation services were not required ... without exception, all the nobles spoke French reasonably well ...
  15. 0
    27 August 2012 13: 57
    Personally, I was impressed by the matching title and text. The title is about the Great Patriotic War, and the text is about the Patriotic War of 1812. And how then to experience at least a share of confidence in such a text?
  16. 0
    27 August 2012 14: 47
    I didn’t understand what the Great Patriotic War was about to the events of 1812, everywhere in history it was called the Patriotic War of 1812, but not the Great ...
  17. Brother Sarych
    +1
    27 August 2012 14: 49
    A muddy article and muddy comments of any Bosota with Belarusian flags (probably, their images of these flags are burned on the site, they would have their native fascist white-red-white souls warmed ...)
    1. 8 company
      -1
      27 August 2012 15: 35
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      native fascist white-red-white soul warmed))


      With the same exact reason, your flag can be called "fascist". And Belarusian nationalists act under the white-red-white flag of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which for a long time included the lands that are now called Belarusian. I have nothing to do with nationalists, but I know the history of my native land, and I advise you from now on not to grind in vain with your tongue, if not in the subject.
      1. T72B
        -1
        27 August 2012 20: 44
        Politruk, an enviable career growth and, most importantly, well-deserved. From starley to gefreytor. You can be proud of, Andrei Petrovich Voroshen.
      2. Patton135
        +1
        27 August 2012 22: 05
        Well, as far as I know, the ON flag was the image of the chase on a red banner. And the white-red-white flag is the flag of the BNR and Belarusians (if these traitors can be called that) who fought on the side of Germany during the Second World War.
        1. Syarzhuk
          0
          28 August 2012 00: 44
          Quite right. And BNR received independence from the Germans in World War I. The truth did not exist for long.
      3. Brother Sarych
        0
        27 August 2012 22: 10
        Why mine? He is only twenty years old ...
        Yes, and more the post related to "litvin", from somewhere (we will not write from where) hatched ...
  18. Fox
    0
    27 August 2012 16: 53
    But what does the GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR have to do with it? Or is author all the same? ...
  19. 0
    27 August 2012 17: 15
    comrade Lukashenko, as always, "ours and yours" and with Russia and the West, some kind of prostitution position
  20. -1
    27 August 2012 18: 42
    Liasenski Today, 11:58 ↑ ↓ new -23
    We are not Belarus, but LITHUANIA, Belarusians have called us Catherine 2, Belarus has gone for a while. We have our own story, though closely connected with Russia, how much we got naughty because of her mother, and all Suvorov adversary with his general talents, roll over to him in the grave.

    You are not Litvin, you are foolishly disrespectful.
  21. in reserve
    +1
    27 August 2012 19: 15
    I am amazed at Belarusians, Ukrainians are all trying to disown Russia from the plague. WE ARE ONE PEOPLE AND WE MANDATORY UNITED.

    A people who do not remember the past have no future
    1. Syarzhuk
      +1
      27 August 2012 20: 02
      I was born in the USSR. And I don’t understand the current reality at all. I will not fight for Russia, for me it is a capitalist country. All concepts are substituted. I am for the revival of the USSR /
      1. +6
        27 August 2012 20: 39
        Quote: Syarzhuk
        I will not fight for Russia; for me it is a capitalist country.

        When the enemy attacked, you need to fight for the MOTHERLAND. And what kind of red, white or gray-brown-crimson it is at the moment - it does not matter. This is my bimho.
        1. Syarzhuk
          0
          27 August 2012 22: 59
          But there is no Homeland. That country is not. And what you now have as a seizure of power and a change of order cannot be called.
  22. 0
    27 August 2012 19: 50
    The main thing is that the attitude of people towards this war should remain the same, and the name should be so that it is true. This is a matter of mentality.
  23. Stasi.
    +4
    27 August 2012 20: 24
    After the collapse of the USSR, the first thing that local bais and princes did, breaking into the posts of presidents and ministers, began to rewrite history to please the West and nationalist propaganda. Judging by the article, this pestilence has reached Belarus. It’s very sad to hear about it. I want to say: whatever our story, good or bad, is OUR GENERAL story, we lived in one state and were one people. And you can’t get away from it whether someone likes it or not. Do not throw stones into the past, as the future can fire cannons.
  24. mox
    mox
    0
    27 August 2012 20: 27
    ABOUT! And they survived to the Belarusian doctor !!! laughing
    Enemies, enemies around alone enemies !!!
  25. 0
    27 August 2012 21: 43
    In general, now many do not remember, but the same problems in the minds were with Ukraine and Belarus in the 1917-1920's. The government of the BNR even demanded to give them the Smolensk region. When Russia is weak, such ... problems always come out. Need to do something...
    1. Syarzhuk
      0
      28 August 2012 00: 35
      So Smolensk region was part of the BSSR. And after the Second World War she is already part of the RSFSR.
  26. Patton135
    +3
    27 August 2012 22: 01
    As for the article: what is it (if it's true), my son at school "teachers" generally drum into his head that the Patriotic War of 1812 was civil for the Belarusian people.
    1. 0
      27 August 2012 23: 01
      I personally do not trust the current history textbooks at all and try to make my children, three of their own and three adoptive, know the history of the country as it actually was
    2. Syarzhuk
      +2
      27 August 2012 23: 59
      At that time, the Litvinov’s situation was difficult. Why Litvinov - because it used to be ON and the people who lived there were called Litvins, they should not be confused with the Lithuanians before they were called Zhmudins. Litvins were between three fires: Tsarist Russia, the Polish gentry and Napoleon. Whoever won in this war would not have been worse. And the name Belorussian has gone since the reign of Katya Zwei. She plundered these lands and called the slaves Belarusians.
  27. REPA1963
    +2
    27 August 2012 22: 25
    I read komenty, learned a lot about the Borodino battle of cognitive about gavniuk, political instructors, Litvinov, baboons. Not a website but some kind of bazaar. In general, it’s strange for 200 years. Borodino is a round date and there are no major celebrations in RUSSIA, it’s strange, to say the least.
  28. 12Ural12
    0
    27 August 2012 23: 16
    This is not a dad - these are zats from the fifth column.
  29. Evgen232
    0
    28 August 2012 01: 07
    In this article, of course, in my homegrown opinion, it’s a solid negative, but from a political point of view, pushing the authorities of OUR WHITE BROTHERS to more decisive actions for absolute integration into the Russian state due to the resistance of the Belarusian people. The more Belarusians will shout-FALSIFICATION . SUBLOGUE. WE ARE ALSO RUSSIAN and other slogans, the sooner we will become united. And not just shout, but sue the authorities. And we all need union now. We have very little time, 3-5 years and kirdyk . But it’s possible that I’m not right, but the deadline is accurate!
  30. Felix200970
    +1
    28 August 2012 01: 32
    I'm just wondering how some clerk from storytellers can, with a stroke of the pen, cancel something that was not announced to them. And due to his feeble mind, he (the clerk) was not given to understand why the war of "Fatherland" was declared in 1812 by Alexander I and in 1941 by Stalin. So, you see, as in Holland we will ban the film "Timur and his team" for showing because this work violates the rights of homosexuals
  31. Evgen232
    0
    28 August 2012 02: 06
    plaque fly, you want to believe it or not, they’ll delete me. Connect the link by removing the unit in letters http://www.1youtube1.com/1watch?v=jznxu8IIwII

    plaque fly, you want to believe it or not, they’ll delete me. Connect the link by removing the unit in letters http://www.1youtube1.com/1watch?v=jznxu8IIwII
  32. admiral993
    0
    30 August 2012 13: 24
    I was a little strained by the title of this article - it seems like "The Great Patriotic War" is written, and the speech is about the Patriotic War of 1812.