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In what cases the turret was torn off from tanks

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For the entertainment of films about the war, directors often resort to demonstrating how, after an ammunition hits a tank, its tower literally flies off. The viewers are certainly attracted by such shots. Still ... As they say now, action is needed. At the same time, action of this nature is exploited mercilessly by the directors. If showing tank battle, then tank towers fly off "right and left."


But what is the real likelihood that the turret will be torn off when fired at a tank?

Of course, during the Great Patriotic War, the separation of the tower was not something incredible. However, here you need to understand the reasons.

In the overwhelming majority of cases, the separation of the tank turret did not follow immediately after the enemy's ammunition hit it, but after its own ammunition detonated. If the tankers did not leave the combat vehicle in a timely manner, then the consequences for them were sad. A huge pressure arose in the tank, looking for a way out.

The explosion of ammunition had such a force that often not only its turret flew off, but only a pile of twisted metal remained from the armored vehicle itself.

Details on when the turret was torn off from tanks are presented on the Panzergrenadier channel.

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    1. businessv
      businessv April 8 2021 14: 20
      +3
      There are many documentaries of the first Chechen film, where a hit from an RPG led to fatal results, so the directors are not far from reality.
      1. The popuas
        The popuas April 8 2021 15: 32
        +3
        In the bamut there was a skeleton from 72 ... the tower was 50 meters away, sad
        1. Machito
          Machito April 8 2021 15: 46
          -3
          Even in WOT, the tower is rarely ripped off.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent April 10 2021 15: 50
            +5
            Quote: Bearded
            Even in WOT, the tower is rarely ripped off.

            Not seriously No. War is not WOT ...









      2. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv April 8 2021 16: 35
        +13
        Quote: businessv
        There are many documentaries of the first Chechen film, where a hit from an RPG led to fatal results, so the directors are not far from reality.


        Hello.

        Eheh ..........
        For a long time there was a steady fashion for reasoning that our tanks from AZ and MZ were flying off the towers, while the western ones did not.
        Remember?
        Remember.
        After the towers of the Iraqi Abrashek and Turkish Leos began to fly off, talk about our machines instantly died down.
        Remember?
        Remember.
        Kakby the spacer between the siduha and the scope also matters.
        Hooray.
        Got it.

        Allow me AGAIN to report (I wrote on VO 5 years ago) how the opinion was formed in the 90s and 00s that "our tanks have towers flying off."
        I draw a collective (!!!) picture, but real:
        Tank company T-72B comes under massive RPG fire. Each of the 10 vehicles receives 2-4 grenades. 6 cars if only henna, 4 smoked. The crews jumped out with obscenities, dragging each other (therefore, the turret hatches were almost always open, and not because of any pressure there).
        - Two vehicles had ammunition detonation and turrets tumbled.
        - The other two cars stop smoking, and ... the crew starts them.
        Moscow goats come rushing in ... ahem, the correspondents begin to take pictures of the towers of two rammed cars, squealing and twisting their legs with pleasure.
        For 8 damaged, but combat-ready vehicles - full, aphid, zero !!!
        Their response to this is: "WE NEED A RAISE !!! SHOCK !! SCANDAL !!!
        Just start to clean their face, they answer:
        - men, they will take our heads off without fried material and will not pay for a business trip ...

        That's the whole calico.

        ..........
        Yes, and a turret can be demolished by a decent caliber blank.
        Do you think why "Hyacinth" is called "Genocide"?))
        The tankers gave it that name.
        Something like that.
        1. Aleks tv
          Aleks tv April 8 2021 17: 23
          +23
          ... That's the whole calico.

          How to minimize the risk of detonation b / c in our tanks?
          It all depends on the task at hand.
          For example, if you are planning a small and not long voyage from LDPE, then:
          - we only fill the internal tanks with a capacity of 705 liters. No external, let alone barrels.
          - b / c only in AZ. No shells in the turret and no charges in the rack tank.
          - if not in the city, the towers' hatches "slam", in case of a shell shock, you don't just get out - don't remember your name.
          - explosives in "Contact" boxes.
          Believe me, it is very difficult to finish off the AZ, except for the remote control on the rubber screen, you still need to demolish at least the SUPPORT roller, and this is very difficult. The T-72 has the largest rollers in the 64,72,80 family.
          .........................................

          Well, to the heap:
          Walk, walk like that))
          1. We put AZ in the "unloading" mode and call the FIRST shot on the line. We press "cancel" on the loading console and set "auto".
          That is, the first shot is already in the vertical ascent to the loading line, and we do not waste precious time on the rotation of the conveyor. The rest of the shots go next without gaps, the rotation of the conveyor is one step, that is, the minimum.
          2. The "drive" on the TPD-1K is always on in case of danger, that is, the gyroscope is already untwisted and it will save 2,5 minutes.
          3. Towers sticking out in the hatches - situational awareness, it's like the infantry "on top" of the armor rolls. The gunner corrects the Cheburashka of the sight with his boot, the "drive" is turned on.

          And in the case of the kipish, the Bashners dive inside already KNOWING where the bearded ones are.
          While the gunner unlocks the mirror, pulls the VN unlocking worm and cuts in the "stable", the Commander presses the "horns" of the TKN-3 and the tower turns towards the friends of Russia.
          The gunner does not need to look for ANYTHING, the target is in the sight. Presses the AZ and launches a quantum beam with the rangefinder ring.
          While the central square is pointing at the target, the sight will be established and the AZ will work.
          Shot.

          From the moment an amateur is discovered to carry a "seven" on himself as an element of national clothing, until its molecular spread in the space of planet Earth will take place 6-7 seconds.
          The second shot is 3 seconds.
          The third shot - 3 seconds (AZ then scrolls only one cassette) and shoots WITHOUT resetting the rangefinder.
          Minimization of actions that are done in parallel in the minimum time - this is what you need.
          Even to the detriment of instructions.
          Build a skill to automatism.

          What do you think, will tear off the tower from such tankers?
          Who will let them.
          And even if your infantry is smart.

          Everything depends on people.
          Everything from people. From their experience, determination, motivation and ... SPIRIT.

          Do you want to stay alive?
          Stick in the hatch!
          Destroying the enemy is not a problem.
          But on TIME to detect it and correctly classify its danger is the main thing.

          And the tower will remain on your tank, and the helmet on your head.

          Fuh, even inflamed, the topic is just ... ahem, a little, ahem ... Painful.
          repeat
          1. LiSiCyn
            LiSiCyn April 10 2021 06: 59
            +1
            Quote: Aleks tv
            Fuh, even inflamed, the topic is just ... ahem, a little, ahem ... Painful.

            hi
            If not a secret, based on personal experience?
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv April 10 2021 08: 35
              +10
              ... If not a secret, based on personal experience?

              Hello.
              hi
              Yes, as if I never made a secret out of this ...
              request
              Caucasus.
              First and Second.
              Plus the personnel service.

              What is not allowed - I don't write,
              What can I share - why not write?
              What do we, in. pensioners, what else to do when nostalgia rushes from all cracks?))
              repeat
              ............
              For some time I was not on the site (I fought with my own body for the Statutory relationship between soul and body), sadly noticed that I had gone to VO ... Some sincerity of conversations. There were more comments and slogans. As if the purpose of knocking on the keyboard is the plus, and not communication.
              Greeting and calling each other by their first names has also ceased to be the norm.
              Eheh.
              So, he even began to grumble like an old man ...))
              laughing
              1. LiSiCyn
                LiSiCyn April 10 2021 09: 47
                +1
                Alexey, my name is Stas. hi
                Quote: Aleks tv
                There were more comments and slogans. As if the purpose of knocking on the keyboard is the plus, and not communication.

                Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. wink
                How long have you been away?
                Quote: Aleks tv
                First and Second.

                As I understand it, flew in ..? Not with "Maykop"?
                Quote: Aleks tv
                So, he even began to grumble like an old man ...))

                We will never be 60, but only 4 times 15. Well, or 3 times 20. wink drinks
                1. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv April 10 2021 11: 39
                  +1
                  ... How long have you been away?

                  Hello Stas.
                  hi
                  Yes, read more than 3 years))
                  Managed to recover in the service (do not ask HOW).))
                  Then complete resignation and hello hospital))
                  Namana everything.
                  ... As I understand it, flew in ..? Not with "Maykop"?

                  Yes, everyone flew in))
                  How without it?
                  But after the last time the horsemen wrote off. It's a shame that right before entering the academy ...
                  No, not 131.
                  I went from the Urals.
                  ... Well, or 3 times 20

                  Mutually!!!
                  drinks
                  But for now, unfortunately. Even in skype with the VO brothers, it is impossible to pull the stoparik.
                  Nothing, Let's break through))
                  wink
          2. Alarmist79
            Alarmist79 April 10 2021 10: 50
            0
            = For example, if is planned a small and not long voyage from LDPE, then:
            - we only fill the internal tanks with a capacity of 705 liters. No external, much less barrels. =
            And if the enemy has his own plans and he is not quite a Papuan (there is artillery)? He will definitely wait for the end of these manipulations?

            = b / c only in AZ. No shells in the turret and no charges in the rack tank. =
            Those. BC needs to actually be halved (39/22). Meanwhile, Abrams has 40.

            = believe me, it is very difficult to finish off to the AZ, except for the remote control on the rubber screen, you still need to demolish at least the SUPPORT roller, and this is very difficult. =

            Only if the shooter himself is at the level of the rink, which, by the way, is unlikely. Any shooting slightly from above zeroes out the roller protection. In the video, the beards demonstrate exactly this.
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv April 10 2021 11: 53
              +1
              Hello.
              ... And if the enemy has his own plans and he is not quite a Papuan (there is artillery)? He will definitely wait for the end of these manipulations?


              ... Those. BC needs to actually be halved (39/22). Meanwhile, Abrams has 40.

              It seems that he wrote right away - it all depends on the task at hand.

              ... Only if the shooter himself is at the level of the rink, which, by the way, is unlikely. Any shooting slightly from above zeroes out the roller protection. In the video, the beards demonstrate exactly this.

              Frankly speaking, I did not understand what you wrote.
              I meant that getting into AZ is difficult.
              - If you hit the body, the screen with the remote sensing and the roller behind it interferes.
              - If you hit a tower or a lure - do not forget that the AZ transporter is covered with a polic.
              The main danger during detonation is from shells in the fighting compartment and charges in the rack tank.
              1. Alarmist79
                Alarmist79 April 10 2021 12: 31
                +1
                Hello.
                Quote: Aleks tv
                It seems that he wrote right away - it all depends on the task at hand.

                Those. 1.If you have to take active steps, you will not be able to cut the ammunition load. If the enemy is doing well with remote defeat, you will have to forget about external fuel tanks.


                Quote: Aleks tv
                If you hit the body, the screen with the remote sensing and the roller behind it interferes.

                We look at the cross section, taking into account that the upper part overlaps only a small part of the projection. If the grenade launcher is slightly higher than the tank, then the roller is deeply uninteresting to him.


                Quote: Aleks tv
                do not forget that the AZ conveyor is covered with a polykom.

                1. As you can see in the diagram, there are quite enough angles where the polyk does not touch at all. And that's just strictly board.
                2. There are a lot of other trajectories where the polyk will be at a very short distance from the punched side.
                3. The armor penetration margin of modern b / m grenades after penetration will remain very impressive.

                1. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv April 10 2021 12: 52
                  +2
                  ... Those. 1. If you have to take active steps, you will not be able to cut the ammunition load.

                  Yes.
                  And if the Order is vague, like "to provide cover for someone who is not clear and where it is not clear for how long."
                  Overstocked
                  Yes, you do.

                  ... If the enemy is doing well with remote defeat, you will have to forget about external fuel tanks.

                  They go into battle only on internal banks.
                  Outside - for moving, marching.
                  Although on the go, deployment is allowed with them. There are not often troubles from an external tank, the main thing is to cut off the supply.
                  Barrels are a transportable stock.
                  ... If the grenade launcher is slightly higher than the tank, then the roller is deeply uninteresting to him.

                  Get into AZ through the building?
                  Don't get caught. Unrealistic.
                  If there is an opportunity to approach the tank, try to imagine it.
                  This is not a shooting gallery.
                  Yes, of course there should be a DZ.
                  This is not always possible, unfortunately ...
                  ... But the reserve of armor penetration of a b / m modern grenade will remain very impressive, and the distance is small

                  Through the tower and lured?
                  And then overcome another polyk in the fighting compartment?
                  Unreal.
                  The grenades are cumulative, even the tandem will fight to FLOW into the tower.
                  After that, go through the free space and ... overcome the obstacle again?
                  With what. There is no longer any cumulative effect.
                  Whether the crew will survive if the tower is broken is questionable, but there is no way to overcome the polic.

                  If the warhead is changed to a different principle, and not cumulative, everything will be different there.
                  1. Alarmist79
                    Alarmist79 April 10 2021 13: 32
                    0
                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    Get into AZ through the building?
                    Don't get caught. Unrealistic.

                    The scheme is lying?

                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    If there is an opportunity to approach the tank, try to imagine it.

                    I was quite suitable for 72. You don't need to be a tanker for this, parades are held regularly, for example.

                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    Through the tower and lured?

                    We look at the diagram. The gap between the tower and the somewhat wider part of the rink is quite epic. Slightly from above it will be even more extensive.

                    Quote: Aleks tv
                    And then overcome another polyk in the fighting compartment?
                    Unreal.
                    The grenades are cumulative, even the tandem will fight to FLOW into the tower.
                    After that, go through the free space and ... overcome the obstacle again?
                    With what. There is no longer any cumulative effect.
                    Whether the crew will survive if the tower is broken is questionable, but there is no way to overcome the polic.


                    "The cumulative jet, having pierced the stern sheet, also pierced the lower part of the engine crankcase and" stalled "at the partition in the fighting compartment."
                    We look at the same diagram for how much it is, and the engine is not air.
                    The difference between the stern sheet and the side, especially the roof, is not so fundamental, especially if a slightly more modern grenade is used.
                    Polik will not protect from anything, alas.
                    1. Aleks tv
                      Aleks tv April 10 2021 14: 05
                      0
                      ... We look at the diagram. The gap between the tower and the somewhat wider part of the rink is quite epic.

                      Yes, we are looking at the diagram.
                      The housing is accessible from the top of the road roller.
                      1. DZ blocks on the screen should be.
                      2. The cartridge with the shot is almost completely covered by the roller.
                      With the destruction of the side screen from the remote control and the destruction of the open hull, the cumulative jet will go along the legs of the towers (above the floor of the AZ conveyor).
                      Beat a little from above?
                      Spare parts boxes on the left, top tank on the right. This destroys the jet.

                      Only from a very comfortable position, slightly from above, with the complete destruction of the screen, bypassing the supporting roller and psaltery ...
                      Those. luck and luck, too many ifs.

                      ... Polik will not protect from anything, alas.

                      Okay, let's do it differently:
                      Can you find cases of ammunition destruction in the AZ T-72 transporter?
                      Precisely the PRIMARY defeat, not the consequence?

                      I admit that this is possible.
                      With a DB, and not such tales are.
                      Then we will discuss.
                      Good?
                      1. Aleks tv
                        Aleks tv April 10 2021 14: 18
                        0
                        ... Can you find cases of ammunition destruction in the AZ T-72 transporter?
                        Precisely the PRIMARY defeat, not the consequence?

                        I'll tell you that I know only ONE case.
                        But I will not write about this on an open source.
                        Look if you have a desire and insists on your own.
                      2. Alarmist79
                        Alarmist79 April 10 2021 15: 24
                        0
                        Quote: Aleks tv
                        2. The cartridge with the shot is almost completely covered by the roller.


                        1. Look at the diagram above, the AZ "ends" above the highest point of the roller and much higher than the junction between the bottom sheet and the bead. Those. even if you shoot strictly from the level of the conveyor, the hole there is big.

                        2. At the same time, shooting exactly at the level of the conveyor is just a problem. Specifically, you need from a height of 60-70 centimeters, it's not even from the knee. So it will almost always be a little on top, with minimal effort / prerequisites - noticeably from above.

                        3. A direct hit, in principle, is not necessary, the secondary fragments have not been canceled either.

                        Quote: Aleks tv
                        Spare parts boxes on the left, top tank on the right. This destroys the jet.

                        Both are thin-walled. For comparison, "Abrasha" has a multilayer screen of 70 mm ... but no one promised anything. See also the engine pierced by a conventional RPG grenade behind the stern sheet above.
                        The equivalent of an engine versus a COP is usually considered something of the order of 300 mm.

                        Those. all tracked-zip tricks can somehow work against old grenades, against something more serious with armor penetration of 650 millimeters or two engines is extremely unlikely.


                        Quote: Aleks tv
                        and gus ...

                        See above.

                        = Ie. luck and luck, too many ifs. =
                        IRL is a normal grenade. This is if by the skating rink and with a guarantee.

                        = Can you find cases of ammunition damage in the AZ T-72 transporter? =
                        Look at the video, there is more likely to get into the board - see where the dust is the longest. But yes, with an accuracy of tens of centimeters, the point of impact on the video is difficult to determine.
                  2. Alarmist79
                    Alarmist79 April 10 2021 13: 51
                    0
                    = They go into battle only on internal banks.
                    Outside - to move, march. =

                    The vorog only tends to turn the march into combat / bombardment / bombardment at the earliest opportunity.

                    = There are not often troubles from an external tank, the main thing is to cut off the supply. =
                    With which, by the way, there will be difficulties if something falls nearby ... "amazing".
                    Well, getting out of the tank, on which and around which hundreds of liters of fuel are burning, will probably be ... exciting.
                    Externally, fuel tanks in the event of a collision with a serious opponent will have to be used very rarely, in general
                    1. Aleks tv
                      Aleks tv April 10 2021 14: 13
                      0
                      ... Externally, fuel tanks in the event of a collision with a serious opponent will have to be used very rarely, in general

                      It seems we are talking about the same thing.

                      ... The vorog only tends to turn the march into combat / bombardment / bombardment at the earliest opportunity.

                      Конечно.
                      Therefore, measures are being taken already at the lines of deployment.
                      But this cannot be avoided in walk-through columns.
          3. businessv
            businessv April 11 2021 15: 01
            +1
            Quote: Aleks tv
            Fuh, even inflamed, the topic is just ... ahem, a little, ahem ... Painful.
            Thanks for the sensible and informed post! Bravo! good soldier
          4. Sergey Lagunov
            Sergey Lagunov April 27 2021 11: 01
            +1
            In February 15, in Novosvetlovka near Lugansk, there were the remains of a destroyed (not knocked out) tank. The tower flew away 40 meters, and the wedge itself swelled like a ball,. I don't know what is there and how ...
            1. Aleks tv
              Aleks tv April 27 2021 11: 56
              +1
              Quote: Sergey Lagunov
              In February 15, in Novosvetlovka near Lugansk, there were the remains of a destroyed (not knocked out) tank. The tower flew away 40 meters, and the wedge itself swelled like a ball,. I don't know what is there and how ...

              Hello, Sergey.
              You need to look at the top projection of the tower, maybe it flew there.
              And according to the description - the detonation of a full bc. She can be from anything, even from negligence, even because of marriage.
              How many cases were there during exercises and staffs ...
        2. Alarmist79
          Alarmist79 April 10 2021 10: 32
          -2
          = After the towers of the Iraqi Abrashek and Turkish Leos began to fly off =
          In order for something to fly off the "Abrams", it is necessary to "jam" the doors of the tower niche from the big mind. But here the BC should arrive at the moment the doors open and it should instantly flare up.

          = - Two vehicles had ammunition detonation and turrets tumbled. =
          With the hatches open? How then did the pressure arise that could throw off the tower? This is both technically impossible and is not clearly confirmed - in the Syrian videos, in such cases, torches from the hatches and that's it.
          https://vk.com/video22102248_165139044
          Are the stories about the combat past also "authentic"?
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv April 10 2021 12: 14
            +4
            ... With the hatches open? How then did the pressure arise that could throw off the tower? This is both technically impossible and is not clearly confirmed - in the Syrian videos, in such cases, torches from the hatches and that's it.
            https://vk.com/video22102248_165139044

            You know, no two explosions are the same.
            By the way, in the video from Syria that you indicated, CHARGES are burning.
            HE Shells detonate.
            Feel the difference?
            When the explosive wave detonates, it doesn't matter what the hatches are, whether they are open or closed.
            .....
            With a high probability, I will assume that they beat me from behind and ended up in the tank-rack with CHARGES. He's behind the towers.
            This is a game for us, the Russians, to stuff a bunch of gunpowder in cardboard into the fuel tank.
            If the hatches (in the video) were closed ... you can guess yourself, it's not difficult.
            ... Are the stories about the combat past as "authentic"?

            How to tell you ...
            MANY KNOWS me on this site.
            And PERSONALLY.
            wink
            I am open to communication.
            I'm not proud of my participation in the database - I had to do nasty things.
            ...........
            Yes, when the interlocutor is irritated, I have the habit of looking through the history of his comments - it happens that a person is a pro, his mood is just bad.
            You, it turns out, are special in missiles, airplanes, afar and ... it turns out to be in tanks ...
            Hmm ...

            I have no interest in internet squabbles.
            Dismiss
            Communicate, discuss, discuss in detail - you are always welcome.

            Alex.
            1. Alarmist79
              Alarmist79 April 10 2021 12: 55
              0
              Quote: Aleks tv
              HE Shells detonate.


              1. shells rarely detonate, 2 such cases in one place are even more rare.
              2.In case of detonation of shells at the tank, the tower will not fly off - in its place there will be a pile of debris.

              Quote: Aleks tv
              You, it turns out, are special in missiles, airplanes, afar and ... it turns out to be in tanks ...

              Not in the latter, I just imagine the consequences of an explosion of a couple of tens of kg of explosives (7 OFS).
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv April 10 2021 13: 16
                +1
                .
                1. shells rarely detonate, 2 such cases in one place are even more rare.
                2.In case of detonation of shells at the tank, the tower will not fly off - in its place there will be a pile of debris.


                ... I just imagine the consequences of an explosion of a couple of tens of kg of explosives (7 OFS).


                There are no identical explosions, there are no.
                This is me about the detonation of shells.

                On the whole, I agree with both of these quotes.
                Conclusion?
                In order to minimize the risk of detonation with the separation of the tower, it is necessary, AT THIS POSSIBILITY, to remove the shells from the combat division and the charges from the storage tank.
                Is it logical


                BC in AZ is protected as much as possible.
                ...........

                Well, with hatches ... your video showed that it is better to be open))
                Although this is certainly not a dogma. In some cases, only closed ones, for example, in a city.
                Hatches - a lot of controversy.
                I do not insist here, this is my subjective opinion.
                My actions and decisions.
                There is a simple motto - if it is not critical that it was closed - open it, let it hang out. Then you will be pulled out if you yourself are not Copenhagen.
        3. Alarmist79
          Alarmist79 April 10 2021 11: 39
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          = But here the BC should arrive at the moment the doors open and it should instantly flash. =
          Amendment, this is provided that the shutters are not "jammed", of course. With constantly open "Abrams" will burn out in the same mode as Leo and Co.
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv April 10 2021 12: 25
            +1
            Quote: Alarmist79
            = But here the BC should arrive at the moment the doors open and it should instantly flash. =
            Amendment, this is provided that the shutters are not "jammed", of course. With constantly open "Abrams" will burn out in the same mode as Leo and Co.

            Do not forget that Abrashka and Leo BK are not only in the tower niche, but also in the case like ours, and the niche is replenished from this stock.
            Leo has more of course in relation to Abrams.
            For some reason this is often forgotten.

            It is easier for them that there is no pure OB, unlike us.
            This is yes.
            1. Alarmist79
              Alarmist79 April 10 2021 13: 10
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              Quote: Aleks tv
              Do not forget that the abrashka

              6 shells per isolated compartment inside the case.

              Quote: Aleks tv
              It is easier for them that there is no pure OB, unlike us.

              In the American KOS, there are 2 kg of explosives without 50 grams, our OFS is 3,1 kg. For the crew in an explosion in the fighting compartment, the result will be exactly one. For a tank, in general, too.
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv April 10 2021 13: 24
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                ... For the crew in an explosion in the fighting compartment, the result will be exactly one. For a tank, in general, too.

                Yes.
  3. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown April 8 2021 14: 16
    +2
    My two grandfathers went through the Second World War - and they told me themselves that when, for example, a shell from a KV-2 fell into the turret of a German T-3 or T4, "their turret was completely blown away." wassat

    but they also told me that when a tiger hit the t-34 tower, our three-quarters also demolished the tower (((

    that's it... repeat
    1. yehat2
      yehat2 April 8 2021 14: 41
      +5
      Quote: Corona without virus
      My two grandfathers went through the Second World War - and they told me themselves that when, for example, a shell from a KV-2 fell into the turret of a German T-3 or T4, "their turret was completely blown away."

      I wonder where they managed to see both KV-2s in battle, because almost all of these machines were lost in the first 2 months. and only a few of them were able to take part in the battle.
      And the KV-2 tore off the towers for a completely different reason - it had 152mm concrete-piercing shells with a low speed, which broke through and did not explode. There are comments from eyewitnesses who say that the projectile could pass 2 cars and get stuck in the third. But for a tiger, most likely, such a projectile will no longer be able to remove the turret - it is much heavier than on light tanks.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 8 2021 17: 42
        -2
        Quote: yehat2
        I wonder where they managed to see both KV-2s in battle, because almost all of these machines were lost in the first 2 months. and only a few of them were able to take part in the battle.

        yes comrade fantasizes about
        Quote: Corona without virus
        they told me themselves

        Quote: yehat2
        it had 152mm concrete-piercing shells at low speed

        From the KV Tank Service Manual:
        The howitzer has two types of shells:
        1. Concrete-piercing machine, weighing 40 kg, with a KTD bottom fuse.
        2. Armor-piercing, weighing 51 kg (sea grenade), with a KTD bottom fuse.
        ........
        According to the two types of projectiles, there are two types of charges (casings): for concrete breaker projectile with an initial velocity 530 m / s and for armor-piercing projectile with an initial velocity 436 m / s.
        1. yehat2
          yehat2 April 9 2021 09: 18
          -2
          in fact, the Red Army tanks had a strong shortage of armor-piercing shells
          it even reached the point of absurdity - in a counterattack against tanks with 30mm armor were BTs with 45s,
          which, apart from high-explosive shells, which can only frighten, had nothing.
          T-43s experienced the same problem until the age of 34.
          and KV-2 collided with the same - almost all vehicles in June had only 1 type of shells.
      2. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown April 8 2021 18: 25
        0
        My grandfathers were mobilized during the first days of the war - and they went through the whole war from a to z am
        Of course, you may not believe me ... but the rumors "about one rifle for three soldiers" are fully justified if we are talking about the very first months of the war ... when (according to the grandfathers) they had not yet had time to change into military uniform ... their echelon with recruits was bombed ... and on parallel tracks there was a bombed train with the same rifles and cartridges for them ... and the Nazis are advancing ... our grandfathers took whatever came to hand and delayed the offensive for almost a day ... well, then, as they say, it went off soldier
      3. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr April 8 2021 19: 48
        -2
        Quote: yehat2
        I wonder where they managed both KV-2

        Maybe they were not talking about the KV-2, but about the IS-2?
      4. Aviator_
        Aviator_ April 8 2021 20: 58
        0
        I wonder where they managed to see both KV-2s in battle, because almost all of these machines were lost in the first 2 months. and only a few of them were able to take part in the battle.

        Well, actually, the Kirovsky plant made them until the blockade, so not all were lost, and then Chelyabinsk began production with them.
    2. Private SA
      Private SA April 10 2021 02: 46
      0
      And this is the detonation of ammunition. There in the films "Das Detche wochenshaw"
      at the T-34-76, the tower was unsecured 15 meters upwards. Like me
      it hurt to watch. And only about "Naked Ferdinand" (FG -4 -
      iron coffin of four read in "Samokhodchiki" about SU-76). About
      ignition of aviation gasoline in the fighting compartment.
  4. Alien From
    Alien From April 8 2021 14: 17
    +3
    Something strange with the comments in this thread .... some are missing ....
    1. vvvjak
      vvvjak April 8 2021 14: 21
      +3
      Quote: Alien From
      Something strange with the comments in this thread .... some are missing ....

      So yes, everything seemed to be decent. Wonderfully
    2. Andrey Korotkov
      Andrey Korotkov April 8 2021 14: 21
      +2
      Quote: Alien From
      Something strange with the comments in this thread .... some are missing ....

      Admins frolicked laughing
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 April 8 2021 14: 23
        +3
        Quote: Andrey Korotkov
        Quote: Alien From
        Something strange with the comments in this thread .... some are missing ....

        Admins frolicked laughing


        Spring...
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I April 8 2021 14: 29
          +5
          Quote: sergo1914
          Spring

          In the spring, the "towers" are demolished not only by the tanks? what
          1. sergo1914
            sergo1914 April 8 2021 15: 07
            +4
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            Quote: sergo1914
            Spring

            In the spring, the "towers" are demolished not only by the tanks? what


            About that and speech. It was this message that was deleted. I already have four for today. All without obscenities and insults.
            1. Blacksmith 55
              Blacksmith 55 April 8 2021 15: 27
              +7
              And I have had cases that were deleted. Without explaining the reason, while without obscenities or other insults. They did not even bother to answer my request for reasons.
              We must first explain why they are being removed.
              1. Nikolaevich I
                Nikolaevich I April 8 2021 15: 39
                +1
                And this has happened to me! crying
  5. Avior
    Avior April 8 2021 14: 30
    +2
    In Loza's memoirs there is an episode when they lie on burning tanks and wait with horror for the ammunition load to explode, and the density of fire around is such that it is impossible to run away from the tank.
    The ammunition did not explode, and Loza writes that it was the specificity of the American shells - they did not explode in a burning tank.
  6. Kaw
    Kaw April 8 2021 14: 34
    +1
    Water was supposed to extinguish gunpowder that was starting to smolder

    Water cannot extinguish gunpowder, gunpowder contains an oxidizing agent and it burns beautifully in water.
  7. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I April 8 2021 14: 40
    +2
    Well, knockout panels aren't a panacea either! Firstly, as some articles claim, there were cases when the panels did not "work"! Secondly, the ammunition stowage in the "stern" of the turret with knockout panels housed only part of the shells ... if the cumulative jet undermined the ammunition stowage in the sealed compartment, then .......

    ABRAMS

    Turkish Leopard 2
    1. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo April 8 2021 16: 01
      +1
      Knockout panels are designed to burn gunpowder, because it turns into an explosion only in a closed volume.
      If the high-explosive filling of the shells detonates, then no panels will save.
    2. Free wind
      Free wind April 8 2021 16: 25
      -2
      In Abrams, apparently the killed tanker is lying.
    3. Alarmist79
      Alarmist79 April 10 2021 11: 25
      +2
      = Well, knockout panels are not a panacea either! =
      In the photo, "Abrams" in a pit from a land mine, as it is easy to see. Panels really won't help here.
      The Leo does not have an isolated BC and there are no panels.

      = Firstly, as some articles claim, there were cases when the panels did not "work"! =
      With links to this photo, I guess?

      = Secondly, only a part of the shells were placed in the ammunition stowage in the "stern" of the turret with knockout panels ... if the cumulative jet undermined the ammunition rack in the sealed compartment, then.

      What was happening? Did the crew find out what they got when they opened the compartment? Why do you think it is sealed, do not tell me?
  8. Emil Azeri
    Emil Azeri April 8 2021 14: 49
    -6
    Probably depending on where and at what angle the rocket hits.
    It so happened that when hit even from the "LR" spike (light version of the spike), the T-72 turret was torn off so that they found it at a decent distance from the tank.
    Photo 2016 Karabakh.


    Sometimes the tower remains in place when hit from the same missile.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder April 8 2021 15: 05
      +2
      Sometimes the tower remains in place when hit from the same missile.
      Bk can be seen shot all !? And if with a full one, then alas, a dash from the shoulder strap and a flight "to the moon", only the crew on the light one will be the first to go to a better world!
      1. Emil Azeri
        Emil Azeri April 9 2021 16: 57
        -7
        Quote: Intruder
        Sometimes the tower remains in place when hit from the same missile.
        Bk can be seen shot all !? And if with a full one, then alas, a dash from the shoulder strap and a flight "to the moon", only the crew on the light one will be the first to go to a better world!

        I don't know whether the ammunition was shot or not, but they had no chance against the "anti-tank" units of Azerbaijan. Our anti-tank units are equipped with the latest technology, or even one step ahead.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder April 10 2021 11: 15
          +1
          Our anti-tank units are equipped with the latest technology, or even one step ahead.
          That's right, they piled on them - just like children (though they got too hungry, however) !!! And if the northern guys came from the direction of the "unknown" military organization, then the Toda, alas, would have left that very thing (gloomy brown ...) and footcloths, with the smell of cordite and burnt solarium ... wink
    2. Alarmist79
      Alarmist79 April 10 2021 11: 28
      +1
      Quote: Emil Azeri
      Sometimes the tower remains in place when hit from the same missile.

      To detach the tower, in addition to hitting the BC, the pressure must also be STRONGLY excessive. That is, closed hatches.
  9. Constanty
    Constanty April 8 2021 16: 12
    +2
    After being hit, the tower did not always take off into the air.
    Here PzKpfw VI Tiger Ausf. E from 424th Heavy Tank Battalion (formerly 501st Heavy Tank Battalion)

    The tank was hit on January 16, 1945 at about 21:00 on Aleja Najświętszej Marii Panny Street in Czestochowa. One of the T34 crews of the 3rd Tank Battalion of the 54th Guards Armored Brigade of the 7th Guards Armored Corps as part of the 3rd Tank Army of the 1st Ukrainian Front fired an accurate shot from the rear at the base of the tower.

  10. beeper
    beeper April 8 2021 17: 00
    +1
    "Panthers" with torn off towers, which in this video are 1943 after the battles on the Kursk Bulge.
    In the "Front illustration", as far as I remember, these photos were signed that the Soviet military was studying the wrecked "Panthers" that had been blown up explosive charges - for the possibility of undermining the tank by the crew themselves, in case of the threat of capture by the enemy) by Hitler's sappers (by the way, the Americans did the same with the Iraqi "seventy-two", putting additional explosives in the tanks left by the escaped Iraqi "warriors" and undermining them to get spectacular photos "Soviet tanks with flying off towers" for the rabid anti-Soviet propaganda of the Washington "Goebbels" and, on the antithesis, advertising the "invulnerability and power" of American military equipment - I well remember that self-deprecatingly supported by the Gorbachev-Yeltsinites, hysteria with biting our Soviet weapons on "(post ) perestroika "TV and in the press!) when retreating. Therefore, their towers are out of place!
    About crazy "Panther" and "Tiger", photographed in France, I can not say anything - maybe their towers and flew off during the battle ?!
    And often used (in Soviet and foreign documentary and feature films about the war) shots of German black-and-white newsreels, where, after a cannon shot at the attacking "thirty-four", a column of fire and black smoke rises from the body of our tank almost instantly, and, ahead of it , vertically up (50 meters!) flies well recognizable (but not by Soviet and Russian filmmakers and their "military consultants", submitting these "picturesque" shots to illustrate the destruction of the alleged "Hitler's tank"! fool ) a tumbling tower, from the inside of which, against the background of a gray sky, the broken black body of an unknown Soviet tanker falls sideways, I always remember and I just can't get used to them all my long life - every time my heart bleeds ...
  11. dgonni
    dgonni April 8 2021 19: 28
    -1
    If we take the Great Patriotic War? Until the moment the gunpowder was supplied from America, 76mm turrets flew away at once on old Soviet shells!
    I remember the site to boot!
    Those who fought remember everything clearly!
    After switching to 85mm and amers' gunpowder? The towers stopped flying away a priori!
    The tanks just burned out!
    With regards to the flying off towers of Soviet military tanks and the type that do not have this Abrams!
    The Warams simply do not have land mines in the ammunition rack!
    And of course the boroban MZ or AZ.
    Although the gunpowder will not rip off the tower! And the land mine that flew off, and yes!
    1. Alarmist79
      Alarmist79 April 10 2021 11: 57
      +2
      = The Warams just don't have land mines in the ammo rack! =
      The cumulative fragmentation "Abrams" - 1,95 kg of explosives, the domestic 125 mm is one and a half times more, however.

      = Although gunpowder won't blow the tower off! =
      The ammunition load of the T-72 can contain from a minimum of 195 to 390 kg of gunpowder, 2-4 centners rounded.
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  13. AlexeyIkar
    AlexeyIkar April 15 2021 14: 00
    0
    I advise the creators of this film to read the article in the "Modelist-Konstruktor" magazine, issue 11 for 1984 about the KV-2 tank, and study the history in more detail before releasing such films)). It describes in detail how a shell fired from a KV-2 tore off a turret from German tanks, especially when 2mm shells were used on the KV-152))) http://hobbyport.ru/armor/kv_2.htm