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"If we are in NATO, will NATO go to war": General of the SBU announced the possible loss of part of the territory of Ukraine

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NATO intervention in the conflict in eastern Ukraine will lead to the loss of several regions of the country's southeast. This is the opinion of the former head of the SBU Investigation Department, Major General Vasily Vovk.


Speaking on the air of the Nash TV channel, Vovk said that NATO's interference in the conflict in Donbas means that Russia will immediately intervene in it, and the alliance will not fight with the Russian army. The general is convinced that NATO will retreat and Ukraine will lose several areas.

Everyone understands that without NATO we will not win a war anywhere if we go to this war. The first question is: if we join NATO, will NATO go to war with Russia? Great question. Hardly. Probably not

- declared the general.

Vovk stressed that even Ukraine’s joining the alliance will not give anything, since NATO is not going to fight with Russia for Ukraine. The introduction of alliance troops into the conflict zone may lead to the fact that they retreat, not wanting to engage in hostilities.

It will be worse if we, for example, lead NATO to the right bank, and then they say, as it was in Georgia: "Sorry, we are retreating"

- explained the general, adding that in this way the eastern and southern regions of Ukraine, where there are strong "pro-Russian" sentiments, can go to Russia.

Earlier, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that Ukraine's accession to NATO is the only option for ending the military conflict in Donbass.
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  1. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 8 2021 11: 46
    +5
    Earlier, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that Ukraine's accession to NATO is the only option for ending the military conflict in Donbass.

    And we are told all the time that the Jews are peaceful people.
    1. WHAT IS
      WHAT IS April 8 2021 11: 50
      +14
      But who needs them there on a permanent and political basis, but as cannon fodder they themselves are happy to try even without membership in the bloc. Useful idiots.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 8 2021 11: 57
        +10
        "If we join NATO, will NATO go to war": SBU General announced the possible loss of part of the territory of Ukraine

        How long do they expect to join the bloc? Already "YESTERDAY"???

        Because they are preparing to unleash a full-scale war with Russia TODAY yes ...
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana April 8 2021 12: 09
          +3
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Earlier, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that Ukraine's accession to NATO is the only option for ending the military conflict in Donbass.
          And we are told all the time that the Jews are peaceful people.

          The Jew Zelensky, as he was the henchman of the Jew Kolomoisky, remains so.
          In this case, Zelenskiy has already gotten himself decently rich in Ukraine in 2 years of his Ukrainian presidency - along with Kolomoisky. And the opposition of Zelensky against Kolomoisky IMMOE is just a screen for the uninitiated.

          I watched Tatyana Montyan's video about this yesterday.


          1. xorek
            xorek April 8 2021 12: 18
            -4
            Quote: Tatiana
            The Jew Zelensky, as he was the henchman of the Jew Kolomoisky, remains so.
            At the same time, Zelensky has already enriched himself in Ukraine in 2 years of his Ukrainian presidency - along with Kolomoisky. And the opposition of Zelenisky against Kolomoisky is imaginary - it is just a screen for the uninitiated.

            Clever Tatiana! And nothing to add love hi ..And the main enrichment of them is a bloody conflict with Russia .. This is their goal, although Russia did not appear in the war in 2014-15 They will not forgive us, with their masters ... .. angry
          2. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets April 8 2021 12: 27
            +1
            Quote: Tatiana
            The Jew Zelensky, as he was the henchman of the Jew Kolomoisky, remains so.

            "Bourgeois" have no nationality. Do you think "our" Potanins-Rotenbergs-Abramovichs are better than that? It makes no difference what nation they are.
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            2. Tatyana
              Tatyana April 8 2021 12: 53
              -1
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Quote: Tatiana
              The Jew Zelensky, as he was the henchman of the Jew Kolomoisky, remains so.

              "Bourgeois" have no nationality. Do you think "our" Potanins-Rotenbergs-Abramovichs are better than that? It makes no difference what nation they are.

              And where did you see a different nationality in the people you named? Find ethnic Russians among them!

              1. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets April 8 2021 13: 01
                -4
                Quote: Tatiana
                And where did you see a different nationality in the people you named? Find ethnic Russians among them!

                Do not be anti-Semitic Tatiana.))) Each nation has its own villains. I wrote that the "bourgeois" has no nationality, where there is capital, there is the Motherland, today one, tomorrow another.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana April 8 2021 13: 32
                  +2
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  Do not be anti-Semitic Tatiana.))) Each nation has its own villains. I wrote that the "bourgeois" has no nationality, where there is capital, there is the Motherland, today one, tomorrow another.

                  Anti-Semitism has nothing to do with it! You yourself studied Marxism and the dialectical-materialist method poorly - you picked up superficial communist knowledge in Soviet times!
                  There is no longer the USSR and the Warsaw Pact countries! Capitalism is now in the world - and between the capitalists there is a life-and-death war - and precisely on ethnic and religious grounds. You have to be blind not to see it! They are at war among themselves - whoever is stronger will win.
                  Perhaps you will say that in Turkey, Erdogan's nationalism and Islamism are not on the agenda of his building a "Great Turan" in the vast coastal countries of the Black, Mediterranean, Caspian Seas, as well as in the countries of Central Asia and the territory of the Russian Federation ?!

                  What do you really think how small! You first figure out in Marxism itself, as it should be, what it really was! And again, figure out why, in Soviet times, Soviet people at school were told that K. Marx was German, and they concealed that he was a Jew by nationality and the grandson of two rabbis!
                  Dear, in politics nothing is ever done for nothing and the nationality of politicians is of great importance!
                  1. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis April 8 2021 13: 45
                    0
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    What do you really think how small! You first figure out in Marxism itself, as it should be, what it really was! And again, figure out why, in Soviet times, Soviet people at school were told that K. Marx was German, and they concealed that he was a Jew by nationality and the grandson of two rabbis!
                    Dear, in politics nothing is ever done for nothing and the nationality of politicians is of great importance!

                    A very interesting fact .. !!! Israel vaccinated the entire adult population with the American Pfizer vaccine. Given that vaccination in the United States is a priority ... That is, Israel was vaccinated before the United States! And a vaccine for the Jews was found, but for Europe it is not, there is no for Ukraine !!!! The chosen ones are cherished, like the apple of an eye !!! The Rothschilds and the Morgan with the Soros threw themselves into the vaccination of the Jews .. And so many goyim!
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 April 8 2021 15: 37
                      +1
                      The chosen ones are cherished, like the apple of an eye !!! The Rothschilds and the Morgan with the Soros threw themselves into the vaccination of the Jews .. And so many goyim!

                      lol
                      Israeli doctors (many of them from the USSR) had a very high opinion of Spunik V. My friends were going to go to Russia for vaccination. To prevent Sputnik V from entering Israel, the States have gone to great lengths. Otherwise, there would be a very serious puncture.
                      Of the 200 police officers who had been vaccinated by Astra Zeneka (not Pfizer), 2 of their acquaintances died. 30+ man and woman.
                      They were forced to vaccinate under the threat of dismissal.
                      And so everywhere. Neither the store, nor the restaurant, nor anywhere in a public place will be allowed if there is no vaccination certificate.
                      Israel was vaccinated before the US!

                      laughing
                      Implanting Israelis in a paramilitary state, despite the fact that there are only 9 million of them, is not a problem even once. This is only 2/3 of the population of New York.
                      And concern specifically about the Jews has nothing to do with it. hi
                      https://ria.ru/20200817/1575882957.html
                      1. Xnumx vis
                        Xnumx vis April 8 2021 16: 48
                        0
                        Switzerland also has a small population of Eight and a half million ... what ... But there is no such concern about the Swiss ... Current statistics on vaccinations as of 4.04.2021 (Switzerland)
                        Population 8 703 thous.

                        Fully vaccinated 602 027%
                  2. aleksejkabanets
                    aleksejkabanets April 8 2021 14: 46
                    -2
                    Quote: Tatiana
                    There is capitalism in the world now - and there is a life-and-death war between the capitalists - and precisely on national and religious grounds.

                    That's where you got this nonsense? Since the beginning of the world, all wars have ALWAYS been fought and are being fought for certain economic interests. And the nationality, those who are behind the wars, have always given a damn.

                    Quote: Tatiana
                    You first understand Marxism itself,

                    I didn't say a word about Marx.
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana April 8 2021 15: 27
                      +2
                      Quote: aleksejkabanets
                      Quote: Tatiana
                      You first understand Marxism itself,
                      I didn't say a word about Marx.
                      Because you speak in the spirit of "PROLETARIAN internationalism". Where did you see him now? The world has become different - post-industrial!
                      1. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets April 8 2021 16: 38
                        -1
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        The world has become different - post-industrial!

                        It was outside your window that he became "post-industrial", because the industry was destroyed, and the most demanded professions were salesmen and security guards. What is the general concept of "postindustrial world"? You couldn't think of a more stupid term. China is developing its industry well and in "high technologies" the same thing, in a number of industries our lag behind it has become critical. "The world has become different", isn't it funny? Has a class society become classless? Is the surplus value missing? I never cease to amaze you.

                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Because you speak in the spirit of "PROLETARIAN internationalism". Where did you see him now?

                        Someone abolished internationalism? And I, and the peasant from Zimbabwe, and the Ukrainian worker have one enemy, this is their own capital. And you have to be completely frostbitten, so as not to understand who is playing off Russians with Ukrainians or Arabs with Jews, and with your "smart" comments you are constantly trying to humiliate any nation, today they are Jews, and tomorrow who will be? Start thinking with your own head, and if the TV interferes with thinking on your own, then give it to your neighbor.
                      2. Tatyana
                        Tatyana April 8 2021 17: 11
                        0
                        Who are you by nationality, that you do not see RUSOPHOBIA in the world at close range, not only "from above", but also "from below"? It is even interesting, and who are you by profession with such a very dogmatically strange and outdated Marxist worldview?
                        I worked with foreign "labor" migrants and I know very well what nationalism they breathe towards Russia and the Russians! There is no need to tell me about this. But they are also working people, like ordinary hard workers, native Russians, however, these our former Soviet compatriots consider it not shameful for themselves to rob Russia and the Russians, because supposedly Russia and the Russians should and are obliged to them, according to Lenin, during the times of the Republic of Ingushetia to pay them material and moral compensation after Vel.Oct. social. revolution from 1917 to the present day!

                        And in the PRC there is no proletarian internationalism. And there are no foreign "labor" migrants there. There is a specific Chinese socialism with a Maoist face.
                      3. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets April 8 2021 17: 42
                        -3
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Who are you by nationality?

                        I'm Russian! You dream of Russophobia, look at how Russian emigrants live in other countries, no one pushes them off the road, they live like everyone else.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        It is even interesting, and who are you by profession with such a very dogmatically strange and outdated Marxist worldview?

                        I am an IT guy, but what did someone refute Marx, with his theory of surplus value? I'm wondering who are you by education, with such dense nationalism?
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        I worked with foreign "labor" migrants and I know very well what nationalism they breathe towards Russia and the Russians!

                        And I lived in Uzbekistan and served in the construction battalion, I know them well. They have no particular hatred of Russians, and never did. People, like people, with their own charter, do not simply have to go into someone else's monastery. And the fact that their education is much worse than ours, it must be remembered that they came to socialism from the Middle Ages, and now they have returned there. And those whom you are defending are to blame for this, those who stole the USSR into their pockets, they have not gone anywhere, and they are in power in any of the fragments of the former USSR.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        consider it not shameful for themselves to rob Russia and the Russians

                        No one is stronger than "our" authorities in Russia and the Russians.
                      4. Tatyana
                        Tatyana April 8 2021 18: 12
                        0
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        And I lived in Uzbekistan and served in the construction battalion, I know them well.
                        So when was that ?! And in the army, in which all the rank and file are equal, if there is no hazing, and this is not on earnings in the post-Soviet period by foreign "labor" migrants in the Russian Federation!
                        IT-shnik I,
                        It can be seen. Office worker, you do not yet have competition with foreign labor migrants. You live by the past worldview, by the past experience of life. And yet, by virtue of your profession, you have not come down to earth in our country on the issue of foreign "labor" migrants.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        And those whom you are defending are to blame for this, those who stole the USSR into their pockets, they have not gone anywhere, and they are in power in any of the fragments of the former USSR.
                        They are sitting, only I do not defend them, but on the contrary, I speak out against corruption. Only politics is the art of the possible.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        and that someone refuted Marx, with his theory of surplus value?
                        Do you think that Marx has nothing else in terms of metal, apart from the theory of surplus value ?! And how metaphysically the classic m / l derived "proletarian internationalism" and the Russian question in Soviet Russia and the USSR, you do not know? Etc.
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        I’m wondering what education you are, with such dense nationalism?
                        I have 2 higher educations. Basic - engineering and technical and the second - managerial, specializing in "manager of financial, economic and administrative divisions" at the department of "entrepreneurial and commercial activity".
                        And philosophy, sociology, psychology, pedagogy and national issues are my scientific hobby.
                      5. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets April 8 2021 19: 24
                        -1
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        So when was that ?! And in the army, in which all the rank and file are equal, if there is no hazing, and this is not on earnings in the post-Soviet period by foreign "labor" migrants in the Russian Federation!

                        You absolutely do not understand what a construction battalion, conscription 1988-90 is.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        It can be seen. Office worker, you do not yet have competition with foreign labor migrants.

                        What can you know about me? Who, who, but I have never been a cabinet worker. The last time I came across migrants from Kyrgyzstan was at the Cherkizovsky IPC, probably in 2007 - 2010, I was there on a business trip for three months, then I worked as a boner. I received about 30 thousand, the Kyrgyz, for the same work they received 15 thousand for work, they were not officially hired, they were simply entered, apparently, they did not appear in the FMS and the FMS in the area of ​​the plant. I worked with them, we didn't have any conflicts. Tell me why they love the state of the Russian Federation? By the way, I have no reason to love this state.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        They are sitting, only I do not defend them, but on the contrary, I speak out against corruption.

                        You are defending, you are always defending the current corrupt, comprador clique. It is built on corruption, since the time of the thieves' privatization.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        and the Russian question in Soviet Russia and the USSR,

                        Yes, you do not know anything about either the Russian, the Georgian, or the Ukrainian question. You don't know anything about the national question. You are trying to push through the commentary a terrible, terry nationalism, which again serves the current corrupt government.
                      6. Tatyana
                        Tatyana April 8 2021 21: 06
                        -1
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        The last time I came across migrants from Kyrgyzstan was at the Cherkizovsky IPC, probably in 2007 - 2010, I was there on a business trip for three months, then I worked as a boner. I received about 30 thousand, the Kyrgyz, for the same work they received 15 thousand for work, they were not officially hired, they were simply entered, apparently, they did not appear in the FMS and the FMS in the area of ​​the plant. I worked with them, we didn't have any conflicts.
                        A small APPROXIMATE comparative calculation of your earnings with the Kyrgyz. Approximate, because the exchange rate of the ruble to the Kyrgyz som and their exchange rate to $ in 2007-2010 I did not look for, I took those that are now - all the same, the picture will be about the same.

                        Rates for today by the Central Bank of the Russian Federation
                        1 ruble = $ 0,0129
                        1 Kyrgyz som = $ 0,01
                        1 Kyrgyz som = 0,92 rubles.
                        Cost of living in 2011:
                        in the Russian Federation = 5700 rubles.
                        in Kyrgyzstan = 4400 som.

                        RUB 30000 = $ 387
                        RUB 15000 = 193,5 $ = 19350 som. = 4,4 living wages in Kyrgyzstan.
                        RUB 30000 = 5,26 living wages in the Russian Federation.
                        In other words, 5,26> 4.4 is 1.2 times.

                        Now let's compare the living conditions of these migrants at the Cherkizovsky PMK,
                        Surely, they lived in a clean and equipped hostel on the territory of the plant, they were not allowed out of the territory so that they would not shine on the street. And, for sure, full-fledged 3 meals a day in the dining room at wholesale prices was specially organized for them.
                        We can say that they took their salary for 3 months in dollars home clean.
                        And the Russians had to pay taxes, housing and communal services, and get involved at market prices.
                        So, you and the Kyrgyz labor migrants at this enterprise did the same for that.

                        But in construction with migrants, a completely different picture. They squeezed Russians out of the construction labor market with their wage dumping and aggregate large earnings, along with hack-work to the left with theft of tools and building materials.

                        And do not think that migrants are suckers, they are sometimes more distant than Russians.
                      7. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets April 8 2021 21: 28
                        0
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Small APPROXIMATE comparative calculation of your earnings

                        Why did you do it? to show that there is no work in Kyrgyzstan and half of the population are migrant workers? Or do you think it is fair when two people get different money for the same job?
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        Surely, they lived in a hostel on the territory of the plant, they were not allowed out of the territory so that they would not shine on the street.

                        Who will let them go there in the hostel, on the territory of the plant? They rented single rooms for 10 people and slept on mattresses or bunk beds.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        And, for sure, full-fledged 3 meals a day in the dining room at wholesale prices was specially organized for them.

                        Yeah, in the canteen of the factory everyone dined (expensive), and after work themselves somehow.)))) In general, they deducted from us for everything, for food, for a hostel with cockroaches (in Balashikha), for taking the bus to work etc. I was credited 30 in a month, and after deductions they gave me 12 thousand.)))) We had a business trip to the head plant, no one went there of their own free will.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        And do not think that migrants are suckers, they are sometimes more distant than Russians.

                        And where did I write that they are suckers? It was only about your nationalism. In general, I think that labor migrants have nothing to do here as long as the indigenous population has unemployment. However, your nullified idol thinks differently.
                      8. Tatyana
                        Tatyana April 10 2021 19: 29
                        0
                        I judge from my own experience. I am telling you how foreign "labor" migrants lived and worked at our enterprise. They even changed their bedding every 10 days. This was in 2002. Nobody considered themselves offended.
                        And I gave you the calculation that's why, so that you can understand by example why they are coming to us.
                        I will continue the calculation further, bringing it to modern indicators.
                        SO
                        The deboner is the highest paid working profession at the meat processing plant.
                        DANO.
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        1 ruble = $ 0,0129
                        1 Kyrgyz som = $ 0,01
                        1 Kyrgyz som = 0,92 rubles.
                        Cost of living in 2011:
                        in the Russian Federation = 5700 rubles.
                        in Kyrgyzstan = 4400 som.
                        RUB 30000 = $ 387
                        RUB 15000 = 193,5 $ = 19350 som. = 4,4 living wages in Kyrgyzstan.
                        RUB 30000 = 5,26 living wages in the Russian Federation.
                        In other words, 5,26> 4.4 is 1.2 times.
                        1. Let's estimate how much now in 2020 RUSSIAN-deboners receive, if in the whole country in 2020 the cost of living in the Russian Federation = 11 510 R for the working-age population.
                        We get 11 510 x 5,26 = 60 542 R = 781 $
                        2. Let's estimate how much now in 2020 the KIRGIZ-deboners receive, if in the whole country in 2020, the living wage in Kyrgyzstan = 5 soms (479 rubles)
                        Foreign labor migrants take their wages out of Russia in dollars.
                        We get 11 x 510 = 5,26 R / 60 = 542 R = 2 $ = 30 soms.
                        How many living wages are these?
                        39000 som / 5479 som = 7,12 times
                        In other words, 5,26 Russians <7,12 Kyrgyz 1.2 times.
                        Those. labor migrants from Kyrgyzstan get in fact the size of the subsistence minimum at 1/2 of the wage of a Russian; in fact, they earn 1,2 times more than a Russian in the Russian Federation than in their own Kyrgyzstan.
                        At the same time, Kyrgyz "labor" migrants working in Russia do not simply take jobs for the indigenous population in the Russian labor market, dumping Russian wages and marginalizing the indigenous population, but they also live 1,2 times better in their own Kyrgyzstan than Russians in Russia !!!
                        As a result, you can't take them out of Russia with a stick. At the same time, the indigenous population of Russia is being replaced by foreign migrants who are not going to assimilate with the state by forming Russians!

                        Do you even understand what a "bomb" for the national security of the Russian Federation such a foreign migration policy is in our country ?!

                        And you for some devil are in favor of the imaginary "PROLETARIAN" equality in pay for Russians with foreign labor migrants!
                        You are confusing metaphysical equality with dialectical materialistic equality! And the m / l theory itself in the sense of nationality issues is just a metaphysical bluff of the classics of m / l when the question concerns globalism!
                        And if foreign "labor" migrants receive the same as the Russians, then the same Kirghiz of yours will live in their own Kyrgyzstan not 1,2 times better than a Russian, but
                        5,26 <14.24, i.e. 2,4 better than the Russians.

                        For 5,26 / (1,12 x 2) = 14,24.

                        And this is just the MACUS of the iceberg of the globally false - extremely erroneous - m / l theory on the issue of national politics!
                      9. Tatyana
                        Tatyana April 10 2021 20: 18
                        0
                        I did not have time to correct the typo in myself - the editing time was over.
                        WRITTEN
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        For 5,26 / (1,12 x 2) = 14,24.
                        NECESSARY
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        For 5,26 х (1,12 x 2) = 14,24.
                      10. aleksejkabanets
                        aleksejkabanets April 10 2021 20: 56
                        +1
                        Quote: Tatiana
                        And I gave you the calculation that's why, so that you can understand by example why they are coming to us.

                        Yes, the point is not why they are coming to us, this is just understandable. The point is who invites them here. So, the other day it was suggested (if they had not already signed it) that those of them who have been living illegally in the Russian Federation for a long time can now obtain citizenship under a simplified scheme. They are imported in order to pay less wages to the indigenous population, and this is done systematically. For that, the National Guard's salary was raised, almost to the Armed Forces, so that the people would not riot. Who does it all, Kyrgyz migrants or Uzbeks or what? It is not the migrants themselves that matters, but who brings them here in commercial quantities.
                      11. Tatyana
                        Tatyana April 10 2021 22: 40
                        0
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Who does it all, Kyrgyz migrants or Uzbeks or what?
                        Yes, they themselves are already illegally in the trunks secretly in Russia a rod !!! In their countries, they themselves have already organized a whole business of recruiting guest workers and illegal migrants to Russia, both from Libya, from the BV countries to Europe.
                        And in general, you are very far from the national question in the Russian Federation, since 1917, with the works of the classics of oil and paper.
                        Whichever thread you pull from the tangle of migration policy in the country under "market" relations, you will certainly run into the national question of the state of the forming people.

                        Go to my profile, there is my article "Financial risks of the national security of the Russian Federation from foreign labor migration" dated March 23, 2015. A video is attached to the article. Read the article and watch the video! And this is just one aspect of the problem of security from foreign "labor" migration in Russia and the existence in the world of a supposedly "free" and "clean" market of capital, goods and work force.
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 April 8 2021 17: 58
    0
    Stalin in 1939 did not say or write this.
  • Alex777
    Alex777 April 8 2021 14: 30
    +2
    The Jew Zelensky, as he was the henchman of the Jew Kolomoisky, remains so.

    When the States tell Ze that Kolomoisky must be surrendered, he will surrender instantly. More precisely, I have already passed it.
    Why was it so stupid in Ukraine they ran into the OP "For Life", and why is Kolomoisky's property confiscated in the States? wink
    There is only one reason - the Constitutional Court of Ukraine canceled the laws that were adopted because the States needed them.
    So Ze and Beni have long been apart from tobacco. hi
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    2. Tatyana
      Tatyana April 8 2021 15: 13
      +2
      Quote: Alex777
      The reason is one6 Constitutional Court of Ukraine canceled the laws, the adoption of which was necessary for the States. So Ze and Beni have long been apart from their tobacco.

      Above, I have already posted the video of Tatiana Montyan exactly from Apr 1 2021 , in which she talks about the continuation of Zelensky's connection with Kolomoisky. Look at it carefully.
      # MONTYAN: Biden knows everything! Guidance to Zelebobik # 1. Apr 1 2021

      As for Kiev's extradition of Kolomoisky to the United States at the request of Washington, Zelensky still managed to "stand between two chairs in a transverse twine," but did not give Washington his patron Kolomoisky, with whom he became president.
  • Insurgent
    Insurgent April 8 2021 12: 26
    +5
    Here, including the place of the Outskirts in NATO.

    It A cry of despair a Jew from the "Square" 7.04.2021/XNUMX/XNUMX.

  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 8 2021 12: 01
    +1
    Quote: WHAT IS
    as cannon fodder, they themselves are happy to try without membership in the bloc.

    Diligent lads tried for the Turks, then for the Austrians, then for the Poles and even for the Swedes.
  • private person
    private person April 8 2021 12: 33
    +1
    Who needs them there on a permanent and political basis?

    The article is correct and this Vovk painted everything correctly. Even if Ukraine by some miracle turns out to be in NATO, NATO members will not fight for it. Ukraine is just an excuse to irritate Russia.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 8 2021 13: 00
      -2
      Quote: private person
      Even if Ukraine somehow miraculously ends up in NATO

      this will mean that everything was in vain. Did not work.
      1. private person
        private person April 8 2021 15: 00
        0
        this will mean that everything was in vain. Did not work.

        What were you up to and what didn't work? And who even started it?
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 8 2021 15: 14
          -2
          Quote: private person
          What were you up to?

          p.1 Creation and maintenance of a hotbed of instability to sabotage Ukraine's integration into NATO.
          Quote: private person
          and what didn't work?

          item 2 if
          Quote: private person
          Ukraine will miraculously end up in NATO

          it did not work see item 1
          Quote: private person
          And who even started it?

          really....
          1. private person
            private person April 8 2021 15: 58
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            p.1 Creation and maintenance of a hotbed of instability to sabotage Ukraine's integration into NATO.

            To join NATO, you need pennies, but there are not many of them. To transfer the Armed Forces of Ukraine to NATO standards, again, you need pennies, and they have no money to pay interest on loans.
  • Keyser soze
    Keyser soze April 8 2021 12: 24
    +4
    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that Ukraine's accession to NATO is the only option for ending the military conflict


    Yes, this clown did not even bother to read that with unresolved conflicts with neighbors, he cannot join NATO. And yes, everyone ..... purple where, with whom and how Ukraine will fight or will not fight .... or Georgia .... or Poland ... or Bulgaria ... or Greece ..... Well, they'll plant weapons and that's it. The matter of saving drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 8 2021 12: 49
      +3
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      The matter of saving drowning people is the work of the drowning people themselves.


      Well, suppose that this slogan of the incorruptible "Twelve Chairs" is ignored in the Outskirts, which cannot be said about the other principles they learned from the Great Combinator.
    2. dauria
      dauria April 8 2021 12: 49
      +1
      Yes, this clown did not even bother to read that with unresolved conflicts with neighbors, he cannot join NATO.


      It's not a problem . They will rewrite the rules. The main thing for the United States is to get into Ukraine "with its feet." Even the Syrian illegal option will suit them. You can legalize it later.
      And Donbass - yes, the dog is with him. Does not play a strategic role. You can give Russia for the "legal right" to get in with bases to "protect the offended."
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze April 8 2021 17: 40
        +1
        The main thing for the United States is to get into Ukraine "with its feet."


        They are already there. For a long time ... Why would they drag this NATO mess? And so everyone does as they want ...
  • iouris
    iouris April 8 2021 12: 24
    +2
    The policy of the Jewish state and the attitude of certain well-known Jews to the internal conflict in Ukraine and the role of the Russian Federation allows us to raise the question of the causes, sources and components of Nazi ideology and practice in a new way.
  • BIABIA
    BIABIA April 8 2021 11: 49
    +7
    They also have smart generals. True with the prefix "ex" ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 8 2021 12: 02
      +3
      Quote: BIABIA
      They also have smart generals. True with the prefix "ex" ...

      Old school, though "ex", but have not forgotten how to think.
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra April 8 2021 11: 54
    +1
    NATA needs to hurry up - and then suddenly gray Vovk will change his mind and will not let NATA into the fabulous Sumeria?
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty April 8 2021 11: 55
    +1
    You will lose everything! We will simply return definitively the Russian lands by eliminating the "uk-roina" under-state!
    1. Marconi41
      Marconi41 April 8 2021 12: 22
      -3
      Quote: Thrifty
      You will lose everything! We will simply return definitively the Russian lands by eliminating the "uk-roina" under-state!

      And we will shoulder their national debt? This is not a bright idea!
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets April 8 2021 12: 32
        -1
        Quote: Marconi41
        And we will shoulder their national debt? This is not a bright idea!

        What are the reasons for paying the Ukrainian national debt? You better think about how it will end for our "cardboard" economy. Look at the prices in stores, think about how they will rise then. Or do you think that Potanins-Rotenbergs-Abramovichs will eat less in case of war?
        1. Marconi41
          Marconi41 April 8 2021 12: 38
          0
          Actually, that's what I mean. And the grounds will definitely be
          1. aleksejkabanets
            aleksejkabanets April 8 2021 12: 57
            0
            Quote: Marconi41
            Actually, that's what I mean. And the grounds will definitely be

            The grounds will impose even more sanctions, further drop the ruble, and some people will get even more rich. As they say, where do not throw a wedge everywhere.)))) And the Donbas cannot be drained and the same is bad to fight. Brilliant strategy, nothing to say.
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 8 2021 13: 06
      -2
      Quote: Thrifty
      We will simply return the Russian lands once and for all by eliminating the "uk-roina" under-state!

      How much pathos. Usually such passionate delirium is abundantly sprinkled with pluses. Have you heard anything about such a thing as "economics"?
  • GREG68
    GREG68 April 8 2021 12: 00
    +2
    There are still reasonable Ukrainians in Ukraine
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 8 2021 12: 00
    +2
    The fact that some "Svidomo" have a NATO flag in the red corner instead of the icon is understandable. And the fact that the most "advanced" in the field of nationalism believe that the Americans and their allies will fight for Ukraine is also understandable, because each village has its own duress. But when the same Americans openly hint that they will help but will not fight, some Ukrainian "patriots" break the mold. But those who are already with the prefix ex quietly say that guys, we will lose territory and no one will help us if we provoke Russia. But they don’t want to hear that and continue to tear the embroidered shirt covered with handouts on the chest.
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius April 8 2021 12: 05
    -1
    ))) NATO will fight .. until the last Ukrainian .. how they end! so not what to defend .. and leave))) that's their whole policy! )))
  • Alien From
    Alien From April 8 2021 12: 12
    -1
    And why are the non-brothers in such a hurry to the next world? I don’t understand ... there were people like people ........ credit covered them with light ...
    1. cniza
      cniza April 8 2021 12: 17
      +2
      Well, only brainless Banderlogists are in a hurry, and so the United States shoves them there ...
      1. Alien From
        Alien From April 8 2021 12: 19
        -2
        The road to hell is paved with good intentions ... well, it's their choice
        1. cniza
          cniza April 8 2021 12: 22
          +3
          Many have no choice, mobilize and go ahead, but there are inveterate scoundrels ...
          1. Alien From
            Alien From April 8 2021 12: 26
            -1
            Of which it turned out to be immeasurable ...
    2. Egoza
      Egoza April 8 2021 12: 18
      +1
      Quote: Alien From
      . there were people like people ........ the credit covered them with light ...

      ENVY AND GREEDE, skillfully kindled and encouraged, in the absence of ideology and a real leader or at least a person who sincerely worries about his people, lead to such consequences
      1. Alien From
        Alien From April 8 2021 12: 22
        0
        Already ripped off the news from Ukraine, 30 years the same thing.
      2. Ruslan Sulima
        Ruslan Sulima April 8 2021 12: 27
        -3
        in the absence of ideology

        Here it is more worth noting the ideology imposed by the Banderavites, but they accepted it, they act consciously, because hypnosis is impossible on such a scale
        1. Egoza
          Egoza April 8 2021 12: 58
          0
          Quote: Ruslan Sulima
          Here it is more worth noting the ideology imposed by the Banderavites, but they accepted it, they act consciously, because hypnosis is impossible on such a scale

          Not accepted! Those who understood that for theft and robbery, murder will not happen if they hide behind the "correct words"
          1. Ruslan Sulima
            Ruslan Sulima April 8 2021 13: 06
            0
            Not accepted! Those who understood that for theft and robbery, murder will not happen if they hide behind the "correct words"

            Well, HZ, they regularly vote for those who need it, even in the OP there are such ardent ones as Kiva. People chose their path by the majority. Or do you think that it was Moscow again intervened in their choice?
  • cniza
    cniza April 8 2021 12: 16
    +1
    Earlier, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that Ukraine's accession to NATO is the only option for ending the military conflict in Donbass.


    Even if you are forced to say that, you don't have to show your crap ...
  • HAM
    HAM April 8 2021 12: 18
    -1
    "Earlier, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said that Ukraine's accession to NATO is the only option for ending the military conflict in Donbass."

    The fact is that it is joining NATO that will untie the hands of Ukraine .... then they will definitely not be shy about the means ("the West is with us") ..... they believe that Russia will be afraid of a conflict with NATO. ... hence the persistent desire to get into the ranks of NATO by Ukraine ...
    All these assurances are demagoguery ...
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 8 2021 12: 20
    0
    NATO intervention in the conflict in eastern Ukraine will lead to the loss of several regions of the country's southeast. This is the opinion of the former head of the SBU Investigation Department, Major General Vasily Vovk.
    Well, does a person reason reasonably or is he just a "zradnik"?
    1. cniza
      cniza April 8 2021 12: 21
      +3
      Retired, therefore, the mind shows and then risks ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 8 2021 12: 32
        +1
        Risks ... there is a "sultan" of the same retirees who call him to sanity, the old guard, hard wool !!!
        1. cniza
          cniza April 8 2021 12: 40
          +2
          Horses can also be even worse ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 8 2021 12: 43
            0
            Well, yes, they did not come up with reasons to condemn a person without measure.
            1. cniza
              cniza April 8 2021 12: 47
              +2
              They decide without trial, not bothering much ...
  • Cowbra
    Cowbra April 8 2021 12: 56
    -1
    Vovk stated

    - What is this surname on B?
    - Wolfe?
    - Dyra! What does Wolfe have to do with it? Wolfe's innocent ...
    -------------
    It's just that there are already wolves in Ukraine (wolves) - "Hiding in their lair, the wolves howl:" Yo-mine "
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 April 8 2021 13: 21
    +1
    If NATO has the prospect of a military conflict with Russia, they will never accept Ukraine into a bloc.
    Even if the horses do not hope.
  • Jaromir
    Jaromir April 8 2021 16: 31
    +2
    NATO intervention in the conflict in eastern Ukraine will lead to the loss of several regions of the country's southeast

    Nope, at least half of the territory will lose the occupation power in Ukraineyes
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter April 8 2021 20: 24
    +1
    And the general is a wise enough man.
    Not everything is still there, the brain was drunk.
    One thing is bad, that a clever thought comes afterwards.
    From something I hear all sensible thoughts from EKS comrades ... what
  • Lister
    Lister April 8 2021 23: 35
    +1
    NATO intervention in the conflict in eastern Ukraine

    There will be no open military intervention of NATO in the conflict in Donbass. They are still not all there in NATO have gone completely crazy.
    1. Financier
      Financier April 14 2021 17: 35
      +9
      Not all, but looking at some of the heads of state of Poland and the Baltic countries, you understand that insanity is spreading like a kind of virus. yes