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"The Russians have no chance of success": Polish readers appreciated the project of the Russian bomber PAK DA

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"The Russians have no chance of success": Polish readers appreciated the project of the Russian bomber PAK DA

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The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation recently approved proposals on the appearance of a new promising bomber PAK DA. The aircraft will be built according to the “flying wing” aerodynamic design, and its main characteristics will be low visibility, subsonic speed, long flight duration, the ability to use air-to-air missiles of all classes and control groups of unmanned aerial vehicles.

PAK DA should be the most automated aircraft, and so much so that it can be sent into battle even as an unmanned aerial vehicle. The latter quality is especially important in a situation where the aircraft can be sent to deliver a large-scale nuclear strike. After all, it is primarily a strategic missile carrier.

Also, an unmanned aircraft is easier to use on long patrols in the Arctic latitudes, since it will not be necessary to take into account the peculiarities of human physiology.

According to the plans of the Russian military department, the new aircraft should enter service with the Russian Aerospace Forces in 2027, replacing the outdated Tu-95. PAK DA will operate in parallel with the Tu-160 and Tu-22M3.

The Polish author sarcastically notes that the plans are very ambitious and doubts that the planes will be operational by 2027. Earlier in the Polish Defense24, examples were given of how the Russian Federation shifted the deadlines for the commissioning of new military equipment.

The comments of Polish readers are interesting. So, it is suggested that PAK DA aircraft will not be built in the next 20 years, because Russia allegedly does not have engines for aircrafts of this class. Another commentator hints that the Su-57 has not yet been launched into serial production, and the PAK YES, they say, will also face the same fate.

The program for creating a new generation bomber is completely inaccessible to Russian technical thought and logistics. If the Americans struggle to cope with the F-35 program, then the Russians have no chance of bomber success. I'm only wondering if they are serious about implementing this project or if this is just a propaganda trick.

- writes the Polish reader Adam.

Reader Keras believes that advanced Russian weapons exist only on paper, and another user echoes him, accusing Russia of trying to blindly copy all the types of weapons that the United States has.

It is noteworthy that quite recently in another Polish edition - Politics - they also spoke about "Russian weapons on paper ", only about the Poseidon complexes.

I have a suspicion that Putin will turn this plane into a flying state command post,

- writes another commentator.

However, there are also more cautious comments.

Knowing about their willingness to sacrifice, I do not deny that such a machine will be created. These people may surprise you. Therefore, Russians and Russia should not be underestimated. They just think differently and lead a different way of life,

- the reader of Defense24 warns his fellow countrymen with shabby sentiments.

In any case, if anyone is given unflattering assessments of modern Russian defense projects, it is clearly not Poland, which is completely militarily dependent on the United States and NATO. So let's leave caustic comments on the conscience and indiscretions of the Polish reading audience. Time will tell when the PAK DA bombers are operational. And, of course, only after that it will be possible to draw reasonable conclusions about their pros and cons. At one time, in the same Poland, they spoke with skepticism about the Iskander OTRK, but when they appeared in the Kaliningrad region, voices were heard from Warsaw that Russia "must immediately remove them from there." But why remove if they are "paper" and "have no chance of success"?
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  1. svp67
    svp67 April 7 2021 16: 13
    +37
    "The Russians have no chance of success": Polish readers appreciated the project of the Russian bomber PAK DA
    Well, this is clearly not their "Experts" from the Ministry of Defense, so now for this case they would require an increase in the defense budget and new purchases of air defense systems
    Well, in the meantime, they "pshekat" on us there, let's at least be a little happy for our aviation ... She has ACHIEVEMENTS this week

    1. Asad
      Asad April 7 2021 16: 47
      0
      Wikipedia writes that development began in 2019, the first flight was in 2025.
      1. nnm
        nnm April 7 2021 16: 53
        +1
        The deadlines are even tighter there. From an article on VO:
        From the contract it follows that for the flight tests will build three experienced bombers. Preliminary tests of both all systems and aircraft as a whole will begin in 2023 and will last until 2025. At the beginning of 2026, state tests will start. Upon their successful completion, already in 2027 the launch of mass production may take place.
        1. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov April 7 2021 19: 25
          +5
          And Polish "friends", like almost the entire West, are known for their "goodwill" towards Russia. lol And they repeatedly broadcast about Russian failures in something. I think they will. Perhaps the deadlines will be met. yes
          1. halpat
            halpat April 7 2021 20: 03
            +20
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            And Polish "friends", like almost the entire West, are known for their "goodwill" towards Russia. lol And they repeatedly broadcast about Russian failures in something. I think they will. Perhaps the deadlines will be met. yes

            Yes, everything is clear with these Russians.
            1. They do not have a vaccine and will not have it.
            2. They will not build a bridge to Crimea.
            3. FIFA World Cup ... Which championship? They don't have stadiums.
            4. The Winter Olympics will not be held in Sochi. They have no infrastructure, no technology ... these Russians.
            This is what I threw in retrospectively, right off the bat.

            But the Poles are always lucky and the main thing is that they succeed in everything. The main secret of success is diligently licking the ass of Americans. Another subtlety - one must not be distracted from this activity and not look around. And believe in yourself.
            1. hydrox
              hydrox April 8 2021 07: 08
              +1
              Quote: Halpat
              But the Poles are always lucky and the main thing is that they succeed in everything.

              Yeah, you're lucky :: there will always be a dirty oppa, in the licking of which it will be necessary to invest ALL the abilities and all the fierce love of pshek - what can we say about planes, missiles and other weapons, which they saw only in pictures, since psheks themselves are unable to build weapons due to chickens of their tiny brains.
            2. yehat2
              yehat2 April 9 2021 10: 48
              0
              Quote: Halpat
              The main secret of success is diligently licking the ass of Americans.

              Poles are rushing between the European Union, Germany and the United States, trying to get preferences and investments. Now the Poles obediently do everything for the United States because the European Union has cut off funding for most of the eastern projects. It should be understood that approximately 10% of the current standard of living in Poland is borrowed funds from the EU.
          2. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell April 7 2021 23: 08
            +4
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            Polish "friends", like the rest of almost the West, are known for their "goodwill" ..
            I don't understand at all what has the Poles and their splash of bile: what a bald man can say about a comb request
            Quote: Halpat
            the main thing is that they succeed in everything. The main secret of success is diligently licking the ass of Americans. Another subtlety - you must not be distracted from this activity and not look around ..

            1. Clear
              Clear April 7 2021 23: 27
              +4
              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              Polish "friends", like the rest of almost the West, are known for their "goodwill" ..
              I don't understand at all what has the Poles and their splash of bile: what a bald man can say about a comb request
              Quote: Halpat
              the main thing is that they succeed in everything. The main secret of success is diligently licking the ass of Americans. Another subtlety - you must not be distracted from this activity and not look around ..

              If the Poles say about Russia - No, it means - Yes!
              Thank you, bearers.
            2. Victorio
              Victorio April 8 2021 08: 56
              +2
              Quote: Pete Mitchell
              I don’t understand at all what has the Poles and their splashes of bile

              ===
              suppose that the article (one of many) is a confirmation / persuasion / reminder that it is time / need to stop, in the end, expect / hope for understanding / sympathy / help from the West.
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell April 8 2021 09: 22
                +1
                Quote: Victorio
                article (one of many) confirmation / persuasion / reminder that it is time / need to stop, in the end, expect / hope for understanding / sympathy / help from the West.

                I'll just be sincerely surprised by two things: is it really not clear to anyone and why all of this still have not discouraged the desire to yapping without thinking
      2. primaala
        primaala April 7 2021 17: 23
        -11%
        Quote: ASAD
        Wikipedia writes that development began in 2019, the first flight was in 2025.

        Excuse me ... How old are you? (rhetorical). Do you really think the NETWORK will give you the truth to your question !? Or you specifically registered on the VO site to ask stupid questions and make stupid conclusions (about events in the world). !?
        I’m still thinking (and I think not bad), who taught you at school, and in what environment you grew up (and others like you). Why are YOU so rushing to be scoundrels! ????? !! ??
        Perhaps your comment is not so understood (plizzz) that with regards to the TOPIC, you put yourself in an awkward position. Change the position ... extend the legs !!! hands up!!! pull up your belly !!! And read !!!
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        2. Andrey Korotkov
          Andrey Korotkov April 7 2021 18: 53
          +5
          Sorry madam, but something has carried you in the wrong place winked
      3. Semyonich from the Urals
        Semyonich from the Urals April 7 2021 17: 28
        0
        And what does Wikipedia write about the Su 57?
    2. AUL
      AUL April 7 2021 17: 33
      +10
      Another expert in our aircraft industry is the Polish public! belay
      1. Rostov Papa
        Rostov Papa April 7 2021 17: 45
        +3
        There are a dime a dozen of such experts at VO ...
        1. antivirus
          antivirus April 7 2021 18: 03
          +1
          I, I am a witness, but what happened? - and what for us?
      2. 210ox
        210ox April 7 2021 18: 05
        +2
        The Poles did not have an ambitious chance. Sit in hellish fog in Smolensk. Look at the stoned ones, how ours planted such a carcass on an abandoned site in the taiga.
      3. Donhofleo
        Donhofleo April 7 2021 18: 56
        +3
        Yes, this is a great military power, this Poland .......
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 April 7 2021 23: 56
          -4
          As for the size of the state, the question is, of course, an interesting one.
          But even more interesting is the size of wages in Poland in relation to the Russian one. Try to insert the figure 5411 zlotys per month into any currency converter and bring it to the ruble equivalent.
          The shock is assured.
          There is no need to mention utilities, transport, food, everything is in order there.
          1. poquello
            poquello April 8 2021 00: 59
            +1
            Quote: Cosm22
            As for the size of the state, the question is, of course, an interesting one.
            But even more interesting is the size of wages in Poland in relation to the Russian one. Try to insert the figure 5411 zlotys per month into any currency converter and bring it to the ruble equivalent.
            The shock is assured.
            There is no need to mention utilities, transport, food, everything is in order there.

            a traditional question: where is each Pole's helicopter?
          2. Barberry25
            Barberry25 April 8 2021 08: 56
            +3
            laughing and that is why rich Poland receives subsidies for a large part of the budget ..
          3. Eugene - Jhonny
            Eugene - Jhonny April 12 2021 01: 56
            0
            Quote: Cosm22
            As for the size of the state, the question is, of course, an interesting one.
            But even more interesting is the size of wages in Poland in relation to the Russian one. Try to insert the figure 5411 zlotys per month into any currency converter and bring it to the ruble equivalent.
            The shock is assured.
            There is no need to mention utilities, transport, food, everything is in order there.

            I'm wondering ... who told you that they were all right there? Or have you spent a couple of weeks on vacation in Poland and made a similar conclusion?
            Let me ask a rhetorical question, is everything in order in the country from which 70-80% of young people who graduated from higher or secondary specialized educational institutions leave for Germany or Great Britain? Is everything in order in the country from which more than 40% of the working-age population leaves for Italy, Spain, Portugal and Germany (Germany leads in this rating) in autumn and spring for manual agricultural work?
            I'll tell you what, as a person who has been working in Germany for over 20 years and saw the situation from the inside, I assure you that the situation with prices for "communal services, transport, food" is not so much in Poland, as in Germany and other EU countries. and rainbow, as it seems to you and your ilk.
            If you think that paying for electricity 100-150 Euro per month is the norm, and for an apartment from 700 to 1200, then you most likely live in an alternative reality.
    3. RealPilot
      RealPilot April 7 2021 19: 53
      +2
      The Poles have already forgotten which tanks they produced (yes, the T-72 in its version), which aircraft they recently flew and continue to modernize (MiG-29, before that 21, 15). What kind of equipment was based at the airfields, being not theirs.
      And they don't want to remember a lot more! But in vain.
      And they have already "forgotten" the advanced machines, as the USSR lifted into the sky.

      In general, they lay down under NATO and scold the former "comrade" in every possible way, cleaning the boots of the new "gentlemen, misters and just gentlemen" ... Yes Sir!
      Propaganda for the rank and file, benefit for the ruling.
      And in their hearts they hate these just as ardently! And they just can't understand who is more - us or the Germans. what
  2. cniza
    cniza April 7 2021 16: 13
    +9
    These people may surprise you. Therefore, Russians and Russia should not be underestimated. They just think differently and lead a different way of life,


    There are people who understand, but they will not be heard ...
    1. Gardener91
      Gardener91 April 7 2021 16: 24
      +4
      Quote: cniza
      There are understanding people

      Just THESE people do not understand us, rather they are wary, with apprehension. Mass media help them about Russian "aggressive policy", every iron in the world broadcasts about it.
      1. primaala
        primaala April 7 2021 17: 33
        -7
        Quote: Gardener91
        Quote: cniza
        There are understanding people

        Just THESE people do not understand us, rather they are wary, with apprehension. Mass media help them about Russian "aggressive policy", every iron in the world broadcasts about it.

        Russia is a great country. With history !!! History of WINNERS !!! And I ... as a woman (and a mother) sometimes feel ashamed of our men, when slavery defend the interests of the country.
        Where are YOU Russian men !? Have you really stopped thinking with the UPPER head !?
        (The lower vector is NOT an advisor. Erroneous "bias").
        1. 210ox
          210ox April 7 2021 18: 10
          +3
          When did our people, being under oath and carrying out the order "slAbo", defend the interests of the country? I mean the recent history of the country. No offense.
          1. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin April 8 2021 09: 18
            -1
            Quote: 210ox
            210quq (Dmitry) Yesterday, 18:10
            +2

            When did our people, being under oath and carrying out the order "slAbo", defend the interests of the country? I mean the recent history of the country.

            1991 and 1993. They did not defend at all.
            1. 210ox
              210ox April 8 2021 10: 45
              0
              Well, in this you are right. Again, if there was an ORDER. But alas, this was not the case. Should the army be out of politics? I also cannot answer this question unambiguously.
              1. Captain Pushkin
                Captain Pushkin April 8 2021 12: 25
                0
                Quote: 210ox
                Again, if there was an ORDER. But alas, this was not the case. Should the army be out of politics?

                There was an order. Kryuchkov received an order to arrest Yeltsin, but he did not comply.
                Not only the army, but also the special services are under oath.
                And the top of the KGB merged the USSR quite deliberately, formally at the direction of the then rotten political elite, but in fact, as an active accomplice.
            2. vic02
              vic02 April 8 2021 11: 11
              +1
              1991 and 1993. They did not defend at all
              For these years, there is a direct analogy with 1917 - the decomposition of the system from above. People have nothing to do with it.
              1. Captain Pushkin
                Captain Pushkin April 8 2021 12: 21
                +2
                Quote: vic02
                1991 and 1993. They did not defend at all
                For these years, there is a direct analogy with 1917 - the decomposition of the system from above. People have nothing to do with it.

                And I'm not talking about people, but about those who commanded people. They also swore an oath.
                1. poquello
                  poquello April 8 2021 14: 36
                  -1
                  Quote: Captain Pushkin
                  Quote: vic02
                  1991 and 1993. They did not defend at all
                  For these years, there is a direct analogy with 1917 - the decomposition of the system from above. People have nothing to do with it.

                  And I'm not talking about people, but about those who commanded people. They also swore an oath.

                  and when was the opportunity?
                  Quote: Captain Pushkin
                  arrest Yeltsin, but did not comply.

                  for frivolity to the orders of Tsar Paul strangled
        2. Gardener91
          Gardener91 April 7 2021 18: 46
          -2
          Quote: primaala
          Where are YOU Russian men !?

          His grandfather was an officer of the Wehrmacht during the Second World War (as it happened), his paternal grandfather was a purebred Pole. I am not Russian, I am a RUSSIAN and probably still think. I was taught to think for many years, to think and to survive, therefore I have not died stupidly until now. Well, the "lower vector" has done its job and pleases the weaker sex to this day))
    2. vik669
      vik669 April 7 2021 17: 16
      0
      These people may surprise you. But the Poles who will not surprise these people with anything because they are Poles!
    3. Serg koma
      Serg koma April 7 2021 17: 27
      0
      Quote: cniza
      There are people who understand, but they will not be heard ...

      People who are "on the couch" have noted (and proven) partial / complete loss of hearing and perception of reality. So humble yourself, you won't get through to them, but "he who has ears, let him hear, he who has eyes, let him see." wink
  3. yfast
    yfast April 7 2021 16: 14
    -22%
    But the Poles are right. Even if the Su-57 is barely, then we will not see the PAK YES during our lifetime. Poseidon, of course, is cool, but until it bangs, it seems like something is floating. You can't hide the plane.
    1. iouris
      iouris April 7 2021 16: 16
      -14%
      We will exploit it in paradise.
      1. Dread
        Dread April 7 2021 16: 19
        -1
        Quote: iouris
        We will exploit it in paradise.

        It's better than Hell! There is always a chance for success, especially with our outstanding Constructors!
    2. Sergey_G_M
      Sergey_G_M April 7 2021 16: 22
      +11
      Quote: yfast
      But the Poles are right.

      Poland is such a strong aircraft building power that the opinion of their experts directly becomes especially valuable for us. wink
      1. Pereira
        Pereira April 7 2021 16: 31
        0
        Exactly. Poles will not speak chatter in vain.
      2. t-12
        t-12 April 7 2021 16: 46
        -1
        The Poles have quite good "Warmate" drones (by the way, delivered to Ukraine):

        1. ermak124.0
          ermak124.0 April 7 2021 16: 54
          +10
          At school, in aircraft modeling circles in my childhood, they planted such. My congratulations to them.
          1. t-12
            t-12 April 7 2021 17: 11
            -2
            Were they just like that? With a thermal imaging camera and encrypted anti-jamming communication?
            1. Genry
              Genry April 7 2021 17: 58
              +6
              Quote: t-12
              With thermal imaging camera

              Such parts are widely sold ...
              Quote: t-12
              and encrypted

              This is an awesome achievement. The entire Internet is already encrypted over HTTPS!
              Quote: t-12
              anti-jamming communication?

              In such dimensions there is a simple analogue of mobile communication.
            2. ermak124.0
              ermak124.0 April 8 2021 07: 26
              -1
              your humor is not all right.
        2. lucul
          lucul April 7 2021 17: 14
          +3
          The Poles have quite good "Warmate" drones (by the way, delivered to Ukraine):

          Why are they good? There, the range is only 10 km. Any UAV-reconnaissance + art, will come out cheaper and longer-range.
          1. t-12
            t-12 April 7 2021 17: 38
            -8
            Reconnaissance needs to report the coordinates of the target. Arte needs to aim his guns and shoot. The shells need to fly. All this is a waste of time. And the drone saw a target (including a moving one) and immediately threw a guided bomb.
            1. lucul
              lucul April 7 2021 17: 43
              +4
              Reconnaissance needs to report the coordinates of the target. Arte needs to aim his guns and shoot. The shells need to fly. All this is a waste of time. And the drone saw a target (including a moving one) and immediately threw a guided bomb.

              What intelligence?
              The UAV saw the target and transmitted the coordinates of the ACS, which shoots at 30 km.
              1. t-12
                t-12 April 7 2021 17: 54
                -4
                This is if the ACS is deployed and ready to fire. Instead of moving, performing counter-battery maneuvers. And the 30 km projectile will fly for almost a minute. During this time, the moving target (ammunition truck) will travel a kilometer.
                1. lucul
                  lucul April 7 2021 17: 59
                  +3
                  This is if the ACS is deployed and ready to fire. Instead of moving, performing counter-battery maneuvers. And the 30 km projectile will fly for almost a minute. During this time, the moving target (ammunition truck) will travel a kilometer.

                  There, the computer has been calculating the lead time.
                  I will say more - in Donbass, in 2014 from Grad, they covered a moving car, 20 km away. And they did not shoot in one gulp.
                  1. t-12
                    t-12 April 7 2021 18: 06
                    -6
                    How random is this possible. But usually, when shooting at 20-30 km at a moving target, a miss is obtained. Unless the projectile is controlled.
          2. Victorio
            Victorio April 8 2021 09: 06
            -1
            Quote: lucul
            The Poles have quite good "Warmate" drones (by the way, delivered to Ukraine):

            Why are they good? There, the range is only 10 km. Any UAV-reconnaissance + art, will come out both cheaper and longer-range.

            ===
            mobility at least.
            / With a length of 1 meter (39 ") and a wingspan of 1,4 meters (55"), the Varmat weighs only 5 kilograms (11 lbs). Due to its flexible design, the unit fits well into briefcases or backpacks, and also comes with a pair of foldable main wings and a pair of vertical keels. The suicide drone combines the advantages of a drone and a bomb and can hover in the air for almost an hour before attacking a target, can be controlled from ground combat platforms by a single operator. The UAV is fired from a pneumatic launcher. This dual-use micro-aircraft (capable of performing terrain reconnaissance) can carry sensors or a warhead, prepare for takeoff in less than five minutes, and is capable of operating day or night. In addition to Poland, which acquired Warmate due to the growing threat of conflict with Russia, the drone has also been tested by Turkey and Ukraine. WB Electronics announced that the ammunition will continue to be upgraded. /
      3. Piramidon
        Piramidon April 7 2021 17: 03
        +5
        Quote: Sergey_G_M
        the opinion of their experts directly becomes especially valuable to us.

        We ourselves have all kinds of "experts" on VO, like uncut dogs. So we still lacked the Polish ones.
    3. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 7 2021 16: 28
      0
      Quite right .....
      1. Runoway
        Runoway April 7 2021 16: 44
        -7
        There is no need to read the Polish article, it is enough to note that for now
        NONE OF THE BUILT-IN TU-160 HAS BEEN RISE FROM ZERO (!), So about the PAKDA one can only say "work is underway"
        1. lucul
          lucul April 7 2021 17: 01
          +4
          NONE OF THE BUILT-IN TU-160 HAS BEEN RISE FROM ZERO (!), So about the PAKDA one can only say "work is underway"

          Tu-160 will not be built from scratch - they will build Tu-160M2.
          This year they promised.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek April 7 2021 17: 12
            -3
            But they haven't built it since 0 .... the modernized one flies.
            1. Victor Tsenin
              Victor Tsenin April 7 2021 17: 24
              +1
              Patience and work will grind everything, the main message is that the production and technologies of the Tu-160 have been restored.
              1. Zaurbek
                Zaurbek April 7 2021 17: 51
                -3
                Question # 1 When?
                # 2 when can we serially?
                # 3 PAK YES next generation ...
                1. Victor Tsenin
                  Victor Tsenin April 7 2021 18: 10
                  +1
                  According to known information, in the near future, but I think you are in the know. I mean that there are no obstacles, except for the inertia and incompetence of well-known officials. And these above mentioned obstacles are not insurmountable. Everything is as always, not for, but in spite of)
              2. Runoway
                Runoway April 8 2021 00: 08
                -5
                4 gliders that have been saved by the enthusiasts will be the first Tu-160M2, I repeat, what has already happened, not a single glider from 0 has been done so far, but here you are dreaming of PAKDA
                Not a single new titanium ridge has been smelted, and you are already rejoicing about the restored technologies


                The Ministry of Defense planned to purchase 50 new modified Tu-160M ​​bombers, and around 2023, a much more advanced version of the Tu-160M2 was supposed to take off. Probably, over time, it was planned to either purchase an updated version, or to upgrade the existing fleet of Tu-160 and Tu-160M ​​bombers to the M2 level.

                However, it somehow happened by itself that the plans for a rapid revival of the production of the Tu-160 just as quickly crashed against reality. The problems that the aircraft manufacturers had to face led to the fact that only 3 of the four unfinished aircraft remaining from the Soviet era were barely lifted. One of them was even shown to Putin personally in 2018, designating it as the Tu-160M, that is, as an already modernized car. Rumor has it that the prologue to this show was the president's phrase, addressed to our military and aircraft manufacturers: - “When will you raise? You have been promising me for three years already. Again, according to unconfirmed but credible reports, only paint was new on the plane.

                Of course, some officials involved in this modernization program are unlikely to agree with this. Moreover, with the filing of some of them, the media left information that the president was allegedly shown a prototype of a deeply modernized Tu-160M2 bomber, about which TV channels, newspapers, magazines and Internet portals were happy to tell the gullible viewer. In fact, again, according to unverified insider information from people close to KAPO them. SP Gorbunov, in order to lift the plane into the air, had to “undress” several combat vehicles for a while - there were catastrophic lack of units and assemblies.
                1. Ka-52
                  Ka-52 April 8 2021 08: 55
                  -1
                  In fact, again, according to unverified insider information from people close to KAPO them. SP Gorbunov, in order to lift the plane into the air, had to “undress” several combat vehicles for a while - the units and assemblies were catastrophically lacking.

                  the level of the news is clear. From the category of "Putin's palace with an aquadiskoteka". Commentator level with a link to such a source - accordingly.
        2. Piramidon
          Piramidon April 7 2021 17: 04
          +3
          Quote: Runoway
          about PAKDA one can only say "work is underway"

          And no one says that he already flies.
        3. Genry
          Genry April 7 2021 17: 36
          +4
          Quote: Runoway
          NOT ONE TAKE OFF FROM ZERO (!) BUILT-IN TU-160

          Experimental No. 804 "Pyotr Dainekin" took off, glider which was taken from the reserve readily 65%. (there weren't the most complicated knots). It was assembled, filled with new equipment (mechanics, electronics), new NK-32 engines ... Judging by the cries about SSJ, where they shouted that it was 80% imported, the cost of the airframe has a very small share in the volume of work.
          In short, in fact - plane from scratch.

          The next planes will also be with the participation of the backlog.
          Under the 2020 contract for 10 new production aircraft, aircraft from touchdown gliders No. 805 -65% (but then it was used as a source of spare parts - therefore, in fact it is much lower), No. 901 and No. 902 - 45% each, No. 903-905 each 25%, No. 1001-1005 each 12%.
          1. Runoway
            Runoway April 8 2021 11: 46
            0


            the first really modernized Tu-160M ​​took off only on February 2, 2020. The plane named "Igor Sikorsky" took off from the KAPO airfield im. Gorbunov, spent 34 minutes in the air and did not rise above 1500 meters. For the first test flight - quite normal, there is nothing to complain about here.

            True, this car is made on the basis of one of the four fuselages that have remained at KAPO since Soviet times. The level of modernization is also a big question: according to available data, the machine has new navigation equipment, a new engine control system and a new weapons control complex. And this does not even pull a new letter in the name: such upgrades are usually carried out regularly, by replacing one equipment with another.

            Not everything is clear with engines yet. It is assumed that the Tu-160M2 should be equipped with modified NK-32-02 engines, which are more economical and have a longer service life. The problem is that the serial production of these engines has not been established, and how soon this will happen is not yet clear.
            In particular, since 1993 there has been no production of NK-32 engines, although they can still be repaired in Samara. There are a number of industries related to wing mechanization, titanium processing, from which the center section is made, etc.
            1. Genry
              Genry April 8 2021 13: 06
              +1
              .
              Quote: Runoway
              the first really modernized Tu-160M ​​took off only on February 2, 2020. The plane named "Igor Sikorsky" ....

              You wanted a newly built plane (from scratch), and "Sikorsky" from Ukraine.

              And "Dainekin" is also "emka".
              Comment bmpd. Thus, for the first prototype of the modernized Tu-160M ​​strategic bomber (converted from a combat bomber with serial number 4-05 and the name "Igor Sikorsky", which previously had a tail number "14" and registration number RF-94103), completion of the conversion at KAZ on February 2, 2020, now Established for testing new engines NK-32 series 02 (NK-32-02).

              https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4179589.html
              With engines, "Sikorsky" has its uniqueness, while it is.

              Quote: Runoway
              True, this car is made on the basis of one of the four fuselages that have remained at KAPO since Soviet times.

              This plane is entirely from Ukraine.

              Quote: Runoway
              In particular, since 1993 there has been no production of NK-32 engines, although they can still be repaired in Samara. There are a number of industries related to wing mechanization, titanium processing, from which the center section is made, etc.

              This is ... where does it come from? Someone's illiterate "gag".

              And now they confuse Tu-160M and M2 (new issue under contract 2020).
              2017 video.
        4. Barberry25
          Barberry25 April 8 2021 08: 58
          0
          1) why should the restoration of production of the Tu-160M ​​affect the PAKDA? PAKDA is just easier to build because there are fewer unique technologies + many of the PAKDA elements are already being tested on the modernized Tu-160m2
    4. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 7 2021 17: 00
      +2
      Quote: yfast
      we will not see during our lifetime

      Well, if you are going to glue the flippers tomorrow, you will definitely not see it.
    5. lucul
      lucul April 7 2021 17: 07
      0
      But the Poles are right. Even if the Su-57 is barely, then we will not see the PAK YES during our lifetime. Poseidon, of course, is cool, but until it bangs, it seems like something is floating. You can't hide the plane.

      What does barely mean? The newest engine (supersonic without afterburner) and ROFAR are announced on the Su-57. Without them, he would have been put into production long ago.
      Secondly, the UAV S-70 Hunter - in fact, the same reduced PAK YES, is already flying.
      we will not see during our lifetime

      You are going to live so little? Just a year or two? )))
    6. sergo1914
      sergo1914 April 7 2021 17: 58
      +1
      Quote: yfast
      But the Poles are right. Even if the Su-57 is barely, then we will not see the PAK YES during our lifetime. Poseidon, of course, is cool, but until it bangs, it seems like something is floating. You can't hide the plane.


      I will open the veil of secrecy ...
  4. Gardener91
    Gardener91 April 7 2021 16: 19
    +2
    "In any case, if anyone is given unflattering assessments of modern Russian defense projects, it is clearly not Poland, which is completely militarily dependent on the United States and NATO." The result of the article TChK.
  5. ROSS_51
    ROSS_51 April 7 2021 16: 19
    +2
    I should probably blur out something patriotic in order to get some plusses ..
    But seriously, where did the 2027 date come from? Ours, too, are not fools, for 5 years from paper before being put into service, this does not happen. Nobody.
    1. ximkim
      ximkim April 7 2021 16: 29
      -1
      The deadline was taken from the air.
  6. ximkim
    ximkim April 7 2021 16: 21
    -10%
    According to the plans of the Russian military department, the new aircraft should enter service with the Russian Aerospace Forces in 2027, replacing the outdated Tu-95. PAK DA will operate in parallel with the Tu-160 and Tu-22M3

    I do not believe No.
    So this project is a tribute to fashion, nothing more.
  7. HAM
    HAM April 7 2021 16: 22
    +1
    Well, since the Poles said ... wassat .... they are not Klitschko, they see far ahead ... hi
  8. Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima April 7 2021 16: 24
    +2
    Do not be afraid of the Poles, you are not the Baltics with Ukraine, you understand everything, but you are dancing.
    I will overwhelm the first Pole that I meet since April 2021, XNUMX, who has the courage to enter the territory of the DPR with weapons. I can't do it myself, my comrades will help ..
    Zadolbal VO distort words ...
  9. Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 7 2021 16: 24
    +7
    Honestly, I'm tired of reading all sorts of Polish readers, Arab Internet experts and others unknown to anyone .......
    It is clear, however, that you can choose whatever you like.

    At first, yellow sites dabbled in it, and now ....
  10. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 April 7 2021 16: 25
    0
    And experts from Poland can boast of an aircraft of their own production, an aircraft that would have puzzled us all.
    1. Ruslan Sulima
      Ruslan Sulima April 7 2021 16: 46
      +1
      And experts from Poland can boast of an aircraft of their own production, an aircraft that would have puzzled us all.

      F35 is a real Polish plane ...
      1. Rusticolus
        Rusticolus April 7 2021 17: 07
        0
        Not all, but they say the toilet in it is definitely Polish. Just for now, the date of installation thereof was moved to the end of the operation of these pepelats.
  11. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 7 2021 16: 25
    0
    Maybe just send the same polyachia farther and do the technique without looking back at someone's opinion?
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 7 2021 18: 16
      +1
      Quote: Thrifty
      Maybe just send the same polyachia farther and do the technique without looking back at someone's opinion?

      Yes, it seems, no one looks back at them. Why do you think so? The dog barks and the caravan moves on.
  12. vic02
    vic02 April 7 2021 16: 27
    +3
    Of course, I would like to see a link to the Polish source for an objective assessment, or to a full translation of the article.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 7 2021 18: 18
      -1
      Quote: vic02
      would of course see a link to the Polish source

      Do you really want to get acquainted with the sofa pshekoexpert?
  13. Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 April 7 2021 16: 28
    -3
    Earlier from the Polish I remember the provocateurs of the monsters and Jadwigup, and in modern times the heating knobs oxfrd and then the beach md in china lol
    A cheap polka lay and lies under the thick and solvent, although it is not for nothing that 50% of the khozli are from pshk, berries from one field lol
    ... Oh yeah, Felix and Rocoss good good good
  14. MMX
    MMX April 7 2021 16: 29
    0
    The Polish author sarcastically notes that the plans are very ambitious and doubts that the planes will be operational by 2027.


    I have nothing to do with the Polish edition and the author, but I share his skepticism 100%. Moreover, I believe that at the moment the Russian Federation is not able to build even an analogue of the B2 Spirit (which has been in service for a long time).
    1. sabakina
      sabakina April 7 2021 17: 01
      +1
      I think if the States had followed the same historical path as we did, starting in 1985, they would not have built the B-2 Spirit either.
  15. APASUS
    APASUS April 7 2021 16: 29
    +6
    I would understand the criticism of the Americans, Germans, French, but Poland is a pancake ............. a great aviation power! Print a statement from Lithuanians, only production specialists live there in general
  16. 1536
    1536 April 7 2021 16: 30
    +1
    Apparently "Defensiva" is up to something again?
  17. Growlers
    Growlers April 7 2021 16: 33
    +4
    And whoever asks the Poles, and who is interested in their opinion? Even their masters, the Americans, are not interested in their opinion.
  18. Wedmak
    Wedmak April 7 2021 16: 33
    +1
    The project will be unambiguously difficult and the postponement of the deadline may well be. But we also do not for a dozen years. These planes will have to fly for the next 30-40 years at least.
  19. t-12
    t-12 April 7 2021 16: 35
    -3
    especially important in a situation where the aircraft can be sent for a large-scale nuclear strike

    Do you even need such an aircraft? Where will he deliver a "large-scale nuclear strike"? How will he fly through the air defense echelons? Will he even have time to rise into the air or will it be destroyed "on June 22 at 4 am"?

    I understand the meaning of transport aviation (it needs to be increased) or attack drones (it also needs to be increased). But vigorous loaves are best placed in mines with a 30-second readiness for launch. Or on mobile platforms (Topol-M) with similar readiness.

    The Poles are right about the constant "shifts to the right" and, in general, the laxity of the Russian military industry.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 7 2021 16: 43
      0
      Where will he deliver a "large-scale nuclear strike"? How will he fly through the air defense echelons?

      Where it is needed, there it will be. This is an inconspicuous missile carrier with a long-range missile carrier.
      1. t-12
        t-12 April 7 2021 16: 51
        -2
        "Unobtrusive" it is very conditional. The aluminum parts have been replaced with a radio-transparent composite, which is not a bad thing. Any kind of radio-absorbing materials is also good. But all the same, such a colossus will glow on the radars.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak April 7 2021 16: 54
          +2
          So far we know nothing about him at all. The "wing" scheme, supposedly two engines, internal placement of weapons. Everything. He is precisely that inconspicuous, not inconspicuous. It will probably look a little like B-2.
    2. lucul
      lucul April 7 2021 17: 20
      +1
      How will he fly through the air defense echelons?

      I'm embarrassed to ask, where did you see the air defense echelons? Houthi drones pass freely through Patriot batteries.
      1. t-12
        t-12 April 7 2021 20: 39
        -2
        Houthi drones are small and plastic. And a strategic bomber has a bunch of metal parts (at least engine parts), it is much easier to detect it.

        Besides, there is a question of economics: is it worth spending a Patriot rocket on small plastic crap, which is unlikely to cause serious damage? But at a strategic bomber flying at a target, they will shoot everything that is, without thinking about economic issues.
        1. lucul
          lucul April 7 2021 21: 02
          +2
          Houthi drones - small and plastic

          4.5 meters wingspan - small, yeah
          Besides, there is a question of economics: is it worth spending a Patriot rocket on small plastic crap, which is unlikely to cause serious damage?

          Disabled an oil refinery - what bullshit, right?
          1. t-12
            t-12 April 7 2021 21: 15
            -2
            4,5 meters of radio-transparent plastic.

            The factory ... well, they set fire to a couple of tanks, the fire was extinguished in a few hours. This is incomparable with a nuclear strike.
            1. lucul
              lucul April 7 2021 21: 17
              +1
              The factory ... well, they set fire to a couple of tanks, the fire was extinguished in a few hours. This is incomparable with a nuclear strike.

              Quote
              "None of the air defense systems could have stopped an attack like the one that struck Saudi Arabia's oil infrastructure," said the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Joseph Dunford at a joint briefing with US Defense Secretary Mark Esper. the Pentagon website. "
              ))))
    3. poquello
      poquello April 7 2021 20: 21
      +1
      Quote: t-12
      Will he even have time to rise into the air or will it be destroyed "on June 22 at 4 in the morning"?

      he will generally already be in the air, and most likely in a place unknown to the bourgeoisie
      1. t-12
        t-12 April 7 2021 20: 49
        -2
        Those. will it fly 24 * 7 * 365? How long will the engine resource last for such flights?
        1. poquello
          poquello April 7 2021 20: 59
          0
          Quote: t-12
          Those. will it fly 24 * 7 * 365? How long will the engine resource last for such flights?

          this is an airplane and not a dirizhbandel, they will bring the number to alert
  20. 501Legion
    501Legion April 7 2021 16: 39
    -1
    why again this stupid nonsense from the Poles
  21. Intruder
    Intruder April 7 2021 16: 40
    -1
    then the Russians have no chance of bomber success. I'm only wondering if they are serious about implementing this project or if this is just a propaganda trick.
    Ek, the gentry was disturbed, could it or - could not !? The year 2027 will come, at the parade on May 9, we will see everything, they will clearly show over the Kremlin stars, the falcons of the Fatherland at low ..., and then they will start posting videos on the "Star" ... laughing
  22. Holuay T.O
    Holuay T.O April 7 2021 16: 42
    -10%
    I don't believe in avionics
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty April 7 2021 16: 46
      +4
      Holuay, write to the Ministry of Defense, let them begin to rebuild aircraft with piston engines, and from wood, I hope such will suit you?
      1. Holuay T.O
        Holuay T.O April 7 2021 16: 54
        -8
        You are probably not sober because you are losing the thread of the conversation, I’m talking about avionics here, and on that thread I’m talking about Yankee money and you’re talking about Russian money ...
        1. Thrifty
          Thrifty April 7 2021 17: 33
          +3
          Holuay, I'm more sober than you! You see what the word does - indignant about your poking, you culturally have now switched to you! And, avionics is not free, does it cost money, or are you working for thanks? Oh, yes, you yourself can do philanthropy, I forgot. ...
  23. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 7 2021 16: 54
    +2
    laughing Strange Poles ..... Sanctions should be directed against ordinary Russians, because they vote for Putin ... Polakpl: .... byrcyn11: Every year Russia lags more and more behind the world's largest economies, and when the global environmental movement will force to increase the share of renewable energy and the number of cars / ships / aircraft with hybrid / electric / hydrogen engines, it will have serious problems. laughing Another: el.commendante: Russia simply inherited from the USSR the scientific research and industrial potential that allows it to produce anything. If the Americans impose an embargo on the supply of Intel and ABM products, the Russians will move to their Elbrus. They turned off the GPS themselves, because they have the Galileo system. When the Washington scoundrels and their singers wanted to disconnect Russia from the international banking system, the Russians did theirs in a few months. They have a whole periodic table, so you cannot cut them off from their resources, in addition, they themselves produce high-quality weapons of all kinds. The American bandits can't deal with it. laughinggr_ub_y: Putin could not have stayed in power without the help of Germany, and especially the political support group represented by former chancellors working for Gazprom. laughingSome of God's dandelions, what can you take from them laughing
    1. Intruder
      Intruder April 7 2021 19: 48
      -7
      Russians will switch to their "Elbrus"
      They wrote this comment directly from him, well .., they also took the production of desktops / servers and laptops, with Elbrus they increased for the domestic market in Taiwan, though at the price of Intel (a) in retail, and also Baikal-T at 5 nm. They were brought to the mass market, they have already launched for Russian tablets and smartphones, plus - Cheburnet is already working everywhere and Rutube is plowing in all its glory !? Dreams ... that's all!
      1. Intruder
        Intruder April 7 2021 19: 58
        -3
        But the reality of my childhood and youth, only real hardcore, all this poured faithfully until the 21st century, until it came to the stage of complete technical obsolescence and unrepairability in the 00s, already:


      2. poquello
        poquello April 7 2021 21: 12
        0
        Quote: Intruder
        Russians will switch to their "Elbrus"
        this comment was written directly from him, ..


        Workstation "Elbrus 801-RS" only 325 sput, everything is real, the software is probably preinstalled, also "Elbrus"
        1. Intruder
          Intruder April 8 2021 05: 27
          -4
          Workstation "Elbrus 801-RS" only 325 sput,
          Really, and for whom !? For the average Russian? Student or schoolchild's family ??? Apparently, it was a little forgotten, like last year - when the children were transferred to remote control, there was a problem in equipping them with equipment and a problem, it was for the parents of schoolchildren, where from 1 or more children, I can imagine how they rushed to the stores to buy such desktops, according to 325 eternal Russian !? With an average median salary in the Russian Federation, it's almost 000 months, sitting on rainwater, and without food ... it's difficult, though !? wink
          1. poquello
            poquello April 8 2021 10: 15
            -2
            Quote: Intruder
            Workstation "Elbrus 801-RS" only 325 sput,
            Really, and for whom !? For the average Russian? Student or schoolchild's family ??? Apparently, it was a little forgotten, like last year - when the children were transferred to remote control, there was a problem in equipping them with equipment and a problem, it was for the parents of schoolchildren, where from 1 or more children, I can imagine how they rushed to the stores to buy such desktops, according to 325 eternal Russian !? With an average median salary in the Russian Federation, it's almost 000 months, sitting on rainwater, and without food ... it's difficult, though !? wink

            I have a suspicion that in such a problem, the bourgeoisie will eat everything up with the price for traffic, in addition, less than 10% have such a problem, in addition, the share of Chinese technology is huge, there is no such problem in the near future, besides, when such a problem appears subsidies from the state are possible
            1. Intruder
              Intruder April 8 2021 10: 41
              -1
              in addition, less than 10% of people have such a problem
              that is, if only 10%, but rather more, is no longer a problem for the majority !? You may not even notice them ..., hmm, it's easy to buy one computer for an average Russian family for 300 thousand, you are just joking now, I hope !? The subsidies, this was already last year, the Russians felt the help of the state on themselves, especially those who were on self-isolation, or lost their jobs ...
              1. poquello
                poquello April 8 2021 10: 52
                0
                Quote: Intruder
                it is easy to buy one computer for an average Russian family for 300 thousand

                to solve problems with remote control, you can buy a used Chinese. thousands for 3, but for especially wrapped up patriots there is a domestic one for 300, what are the problems?
  24. Alexander X
    Alexander X April 7 2021 17: 04
    +3
    And what to expect from enemies-
    will praise Russian undertakings? To groan, to sow doubts, to convince their citizens that the Russians are clumsy, that is the purpose of such foreign articles. The Poles themselves could not create anything significant. And they won't. And they are supported by EU subsidies. Russia creates everything by itself and surrounded by enemies. Moreover, traitors to Russia, from the Tagged One to the Drunkard, with their camarilla, have destroyed how many things in Russia, but we, the Russians, have created, created, are creating and will create advanced technology. And the further, the more perfect. Let the spiteful critics choke on their own poison.
  25. Popandos
    Popandos April 7 2021 17: 08
    +1
    It will work, it will not work, on time, not on time, it doesn't matter.
    It is important that the designer does not sit idle.
    Stagnation in this matter, like death.
  26. Light
    Light April 7 2021 17: 08
    +1
    We are testing the Hunter heavy uav using a flying wing scheme the size of a fighter. What is the special problem to build a stealth bomber 2-3 times more, special engines, probably?
    And this is a necessary thing, missile-carrying platforms for long patrols in the Arctic should seriously strengthen the air component of the nuclear triad.
  27. Irbiz123
    Irbiz123 April 7 2021 17: 14
    +1
    I wonder what Polish bomber they compare the PAK DA with, and the possibilities of its commissioning?
    1. ioan-e
      ioan-e April 7 2021 17: 25
      +3
      Quote: Irbiz123
      I wonder what Polish bomber they compare the PAK DA with, and the possibilities of its commissioning?


      Here with this!

      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir April 7 2021 17: 29
        +2
        PZL-37 "Los" - Polish twin-engine bomber aircraft of the Second World War. It is considered the only Polish aircraft that met the aviation standards of the Second World War.
        1. ioan-e
          ioan-e April 9 2021 09: 46
          0
          And there’s nothing to add! hi
  28. Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev April 7 2021 17: 23
    +1
    Knowing about their willingness to sacrifice, I do not deny that such a machine will be created. These people may surprise you. Therefore, Russians and Russia should not be underestimated. They just think differently and lead a different way of life,

    I suppose they got mined and banned ... laughing
  29. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 7 2021 17: 28
    0
    the coolest airplane power - pshekia
  30. Vsevolod ... not a prince.
    Vsevolod ... not a prince. April 7 2021 17: 32
    0
    Let them continue to think so.
  31. Dizel200
    Dizel200 April 7 2021 17: 34
    -1
    Don’t piss off psheki, we will have everything. We've done this a hundred times. laughing
  32. yfast
    yfast April 7 2021 17: 52
    -3
    Quote: lucul
    You are going to live so little? Just a year or two? )))
    2027-2021 = 6, plus shifted to the right by 5 years, and that's if we're lucky. 11years minimum.
  33. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock April 7 2021 17: 53
    0
    Well, the arguments of Western "specialists" on Russia are quite interesting regarding combat readiness and modernization.
    There is a subtitle translator on YouTube, rather clumsy, but the meaning is clear.

  34. AlexeyEg
    AlexeyEg April 7 2021 17: 55
    +2
    Article for suspicious citizens. That is, those who care about someone else's opinion. It might be worthwhile to think of a special category for articles of this kind.
  35. rocket757
    rocket757 April 7 2021 17: 57
    +1
    "The Russians have no chance of success": Polish readers appreciated the project of the Russian bomber PAK DA
    Seriously I'm asking, WHAT IS POSSIBLE TO DISCUSS HERE?
  36. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev April 7 2021 18: 02
    0
    Who cares what the Poles have to say? Another would ask the Africans, they understand the same in aviation. Poles are slaves and they have faith in the master above all else, but they themselves have a terrible inferiority complex.
  37. Turist1996
    Turist1996 April 7 2021 18: 03
    +1
    Prominent aircraft design power - Pshekia!
    Why should we, bast shoes, before her!
  38. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat April 7 2021 18: 07
    0
    As far as I remember, the only success in the Pshetsk aircraft industry was the release of the Mi-2. How will they please us today? The release of a copy of the B-47, as a response to the PAK YES?
  39. Hiller
    Hiller April 7 2021 18: 37
    0
    Lyakhi - those still eksperdy, allied with dill. We have plywood tanks, painted bridges, and wooden planes. Here are just what they can boast of in the field of military construction ????
  40. Xenofont
    Xenofont April 7 2021 19: 50
    0
    The half-witted commentators have forgotten that we are accustomed to surprise the Poles, at least since the 17th century.
  41. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 7 2021 20: 12
    0
    laughing They are so funny, these Western animals, "experts" in their unwillingness to put up with reality.
  42. jaroff
    jaroff April 7 2021 22: 07
    0
    The Poles have vast experience in the design and manufacture of aircraft. Who else, if not them, to talk about the potential of this or that power for the creation of a promising aviation complex
  43. Normal
    Normal April 7 2021 23: 11
    +1
    “Russians have no chance of success” If you were born Russian, it automatically means success!
  44. komandir8
    komandir8 April 8 2021 00: 26
    +1
    It is not clear why we need the opinion of some Poles, they are not able to reproduce any military aircraft from the First World War. request
  45. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 April 8 2021 04: 24
    0
    - “Therefore, the Russians and Russia should not be underestimated. They just think differently and lead a different way of life” - in this you are right, the world just got used to American talk - Russian said, Russian did !!! And then draw your own conclusions.
  46. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk April 8 2021 05: 51
    +1
    The bitches are jealous.
    They wrote about the bridge and about hypersound ... and about the vaccine.
  47. Tooks
    Tooks April 8 2021 08: 40
    0
    Who is interested in the opinion of Polish readers?
  48. Ronald Reagan
    Ronald Reagan April 8 2021 09: 24
    0
    It all looks like this: on the Polish forum, someone threw it at the fan with a relish. The masses in large numbers hit the author of this news, and he decided that it might not be worse and decided to throw it at his readers. The readers turned out to be no smarter and responded in kind. Reminds of an anecdote where they ate shit on a dispute and did not earn money. laughing
  49. Nitarius
    Nitarius April 8 2021 09: 30
    0
    not these natives with apples to teach our builds .. they themselves do not know how to build .. only over the hill they take everything)))
    1. ABC-schütze
      ABC-schütze April 8 2021 11: 20
      +1
      "The Polish author sarcastically notes that the plans are very ambitious and doubts that the planes will be operational by 2027."
      ************************************************** ******************************
      Our military instructor, at a CWP lesson, ten years ago, about the Polish "shipbuilding program". From my memory, there was a "multifunctional" corvette, and a UDC, and even its own submarines. Of course, everything is "of its own design" and production. And no irony on the part of the "Polish commentators" ... And "at the exit", for their grandmothers, they got a couple of old "Orly Burks" from Uncle Sam, very expensive to maintain. Because, Uncle Sam, trusts only his own weapon. Those Orly Burke fled, once, as part of the NATO "squadron" to the shores of Abkhazia in 2008, to "torment" Moscow. But very quickly, with the same squadron, they fled from the Black Sea. And it is understandable, since Warsaw is already harnessed to the "allies" of the States, then it will have to fight with Russia (read to die ...) with the same weapons that are in service with the States. Only "slightly BU-shny". In any case, in all those cases when it comes to the level "above" the tactical level ... In the Air Force and Air Defense / Missile Defense, unambiguously. After all, BUMAR and its "national" program for creating a ground "echelon" of missile defense was going to be implemented. 10 years ago, again ... But the funniest thing is that someone, but the Poles, should be least worried about the prospects of the Russian DA. After all, Russia, so that Warsaw, on occasion, ALREADY "get" TODAY, YES without special need ...
  50. Tektor
    Tektor April 8 2021 11: 17
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    It's just that the Poles do not have enough information about this bomber. What is the disadvantage of the Tu-95 and Tu-160 currently in service? Yes, they are armed with slow Kh-55/102 missiles, which will reach their targets a few hours after everything has already happened. It seems that the value of such a weapon is not great. But if it is possible to equip the PAK DA with other weapons, fast, then everything will fall into place. What weapons can reach their targets at a distance of up to 9000 km in 30 minutes? The question is extremely interesting. And such weapons are being tested - this is the 79M6 Contact rocket (length approx. 10 m, diameter 0,74 m, mass 4600 kg, orbit altitude - 120 km, payload in low orbit (speed 7,9 km / s!) - 20 kg ), but in a new reincarnation with improved performance characteristics (the mass of the warhead should be 100 kg for a 150 kt warhead). This is a universal rocket that can hit satellites and reach a target on Earth at a decent range.
    How many of these missiles can the PAK DA take aboard? I would like 6, i.e. the carrying capacity must be at least 27,5 tons.