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Nevoyna in Donbass: oddities and passions

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Source: newsua.ru


Yes, the fact that the next bloody round did not happen in Donbass is just wonderful. This is an endless feeling of joy for those who did not die, were not crippled, did not lose loved ones, relatives, friends, home and so on.

And the question arises: why is this?

We saw how the situation was gradually heating up, over the course of two months the topic of Donbass began to sound louder and louder, reaching at its peak the familiar theme "We will tomorrow ...". The troops were shuffled on the maps, more and more loud statements, comments, expert opinions, forecasts were made.

Even the dates of the "Ukrainian offensive" were given. With links to various sources, there is no point in citing them, because 99% of these dates and forecasts turned out to be an empty shake of the air.

Why?

Why did it turn out like this?

It's simple. Friends from the DPR explained to me, they gently showed me where the information about the impending "offensive" came from for the first time.

And for the first time, they started talking about the imminent offensive not in the headquarters, but in the DPR Ministry of Information.

There is nothing surprising in the fact that Antipov's department reacted in this way, since the efficiency of this ministry has long been well known to us.

In general, the first deputy minister of information of the DPR, Daniil Bezsonov / Goodwin, came out and started talking about what "is about to begin." And he named the date. March 15th.

Evil tongues assert, however, that Goodwin was based not on intelligence data, but on the fact that Mr. Gordon, also well-known to us from the other side, launched on his resources. But what to take from ukrozhurnalist, Gordon banged at random, but it turned out.

However, Gordon and Goodwin do not command real troops, and the couches are not very popular here. Therefore, as expected, nothing happened on March 15. I had to dodge. And on a blue eye, Bezsonov gave a stunning version that the ukroarmiya "was squeezed by the forces of the LPNR."

Wow ... How not to remember the immortal Yaroslav Hasek, "Di erst to the marshirt column, dictate to the marshirt column ...". And the troops of the two republics squeezed the entire Ukrainian army marching in columns in that area in a dead vise, and only the immediate flight of the Ukrainians saved them from another Debaltsev.

Fun? Well yes. especially if you just compare the numbers of troops and equipment in the republics and the Armed Forces of Ukraine and estimate the possibilities.

But the war did not take place.

Actually, nothing like that. The war was scheduled for a different date. We did without Gordon as a source of information, we managed it ourselves. It is difficult to say what went into use, cards, runes, coffee grounds, but they sounded on April 2, 3, 4.

These days have sunk into oblivion, the offensive has not happened. Why and what caused the cancellation have not yet been announced. Apparently, they haven't come up with it yet. Let's wait, because we are in no hurry.

But what is the essence?

In essence, there was a kind of semi-political action. All these transfers of forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and movements on the line of contact pursued one and only goal: to support Zelinsky's statement.

More precisely, a request. The President of Ukraine voiced his desire to communicate with his Russian counterpart. And as a reinforcement of his Wishlist, he preferred to flex his muscles (God, forgive me, but some kind of laughter) of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The reaction was not only natural, it was already like a carbon copy, copied and pasted with “control”. That is, first the real perturbations of the Minsk agreements, then everything else.

It is clear that no one is going to do anything about Minsky. Never. Under no sauce. But the topic of sending the President of Ukraine towards Minsk with his wishes is quite normal. That is, the Minsk agreements may still be useful for something.

But the maneuvers of technology, the muscle play of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which causes laughter, is nothing more than a political demonstration. And it was intended both for Russia, with the president of which Mr. Zelensky so wanted to talk, and for Western partners. Specifically - for Mr. Biden. I hope there is no need to explain why exactly for him.

However, no one wanted to fight in that Ukraine. Therefore, the demonstration remained a demonstration that led nowhere.

But the sudden exercises that began in the Crimea (which he himself witnessed) were both larger than the Ukrainian movements, and more useful, since they shook everything seriously.

Plus the beginning of the movement of green mass in Belarus.

And here's the result for you right away - Biden gets in touch with Zelensky. It was not the movement of the Ukrainian Armed Forces that caused this, but the Russian army, which began to move in Crimea and Belarus.

But also the result, whatever one may say. Better than nothing. Putin did not notice - Biden noticed. So it's okay.

But what began later surprised and surprised me in earnest. The meeting is almost in the Normandy format, but for three. Russia, Germany, France.

What does this mean? About much. First of all, that no one in Europe takes Ukraine seriously. In Europe they just want to live in peace, dealing with their refugees from the Middle East in the worst case scenario. And inadequate Ukraine, to put it mildly, is of no interest to anyone.

And in the same way, no one is interested in two pieces of land, unrecognized republics of Donbass. The lot of which will remain in the eyes of the world community ORDLO and nothing more.

Moreover, even in ours, and what is there, even in our media, you can increasingly read expressions of dissatisfaction. How much, do you understand, you can about Donbass and Ukraine? There is nothing more to write about, right?

It is possible and necessary to talk about the tragedy.

We will have a conversation about Crimea in the very near future, fortunately, I have taken a lot of impressions and information from this area.

But now it is appropriate to mention Crimea in the sense that a STRATEGY of the highest order was implemented there. And this is not my opinion, Putin said it in that very famous film.

Strategy. And now it is simply inappropriate to talk about some kind of “general unity” of Crimea on the way to Russia. And whoever wants to, he can remember the clashes between Russians and Tatars. The latter wanted so much to Russia that representatives of the Tatar communities of Russia came to agitate or buy them more than once.

Yes, and the statements of Mr. Aksenov before he became vehemently pro-Russian is also appropriate to remember.

Everything has its own price.

And there is a price for the Donbass scenario. The cost of the tragedy, which claimed many lives, Donbass, Russian, Belarusian, Kazakh - Russian lives.

And today all this turns into outright farce and games.

What for? For what?

All these fantasies, zapoloshny screams? As in the famous parable of the shepherd boy and the wolves ...

I get the impression that all this is being done precisely so that when it really becomes terribly difficult and unbearable, everyone who could help and lend a helping hand again will just wearily turn away from the screens with the words “Come on, here it is again ... ".

Seven years. Seven years of what? Nonsense, meanness and betrayal. Yes, the killing of those who by their deeds helped the republics survive is a betrayal.

The transformation of the Donbass tragedy into a line in news tape is a betrayal. Attempts to make everyone do not care about everything that happens there is a betrayal.

This is the betrayal of those who died there. This is a betrayal of the very idea of ​​the Russian world, which was protected from the sticky paws of the Terbats.

Donbass will remain as much of our pain as Chechnya.

We cannot betray ourselves and listen to those who try to do this. Otherwise, they just might succeed one fine moment.

It is necessary to listen to information from there. The whole question is who it should come from, this information.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U April 8 2021 04: 20
    +11
    everyone who could help and lend a helping hand again will just wearily turn away from the screens with the words "Come on, here it is again ...".
    Is the author so sure of this? Maybe on the contrary, maybe the reaction will be with the words "How many of these monsters can be endured !!"?
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter April 8 2021 05: 00
      +1
      Seven years. Seven years of what? Nonsense, meanness and betrayal. Yes, the killing of those who by their deeds helped the republics survive is a betrayal.

      The transformation of the Donbass tragedy into a line in the news feed is a betrayal. Attempts to make everyone do not care about everything that happens there is a betrayal.
      Donbass will remain as much of our pain as Chechnya..

      I fully agree with the author and it is difficult to add something! Therefore +
      1. NEOZ
        NEOZ April 9 2021 13: 36
        +1
        Quote: Stroporez
        I fully agree with the author and it is difficult to add something! Therefore +

        Why does it hurt you there in Chechnya?
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter April 9 2021 13: 40
          +3
          Quote: NEOZ
          Why does it hurt you there in Chechnya?

          And that there are few boys who beat or injured a few? Do you not understand?
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ April 9 2021 13: 48
            -2
            Quote: Stroporez
            And that there are few boys who beat or injured a few? Do you not understand?

            in war as in war ... it's all your own fault ...
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter April 9 2021 13: 52
              +3
              Quote: NEOZ
              in war as in war ... it's all your own fault ...

              Who, conscripts ?!
              1. NEOZ
                NEOZ April 9 2021 13: 57
                0
                Quote: Stroporez
                Who, conscripts ?!

                I meant the people as a whole, conscripts are part of the people, respectively, and they are also to blame (to a lesser extent, of course).
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 8 2021 11: 14
      -8
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      maybe the reaction will be with the words "Yes, how many of these monsters can be endured !!"?

      and who, in fact, do you mean?
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U April 8 2021 11: 16
        +7
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        and who, in fact, do you mean?

        Do not be fooled, it is obvious that we are talking about shelling the Donbass and talking about the Crimea.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 8 2021 11: 33
          -14%
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          it is obvious that we are talking about shelling the Donbass and crap about the Crimea.

          Ah, I understood, I understood - people who are accustomed to talking to the TV will angrily ask him -
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          "Yes, how many of these monsters can you endure !!"?

          Depending on the broadcast being watched at a particular moment, this universal phrase can imply
          a) Americans
          b) NATO
          c) bloggers-schmogers
          d) liberals
          e) Bandera
          f) football players
          etc.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U April 8 2021 11: 47
            +7
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Ah, I got it, I got it - people who are used to talking to TV
            You are so witty, it is so interesting to be with you.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 8 2021 11: 51
              -10%
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              You are so witty.

              I do not argue. I would very much like it to be a joke. But - alas ...
          2. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter April 9 2021 13: 45
            +4
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Depending on the program being watched at a certain moment, this universal

            g) to gayrope
            g) 125th convoy
            yes There are half a site of such talkative, with notes.
      2. NEOZ
        NEOZ April 9 2021 13: 37
        +2
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        and who, in fact, do you mean?

        such pictures, a common thing for Ukrainian political culture ...
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 9 2021 13: 49
          -6
          Quote: NEOZ
          Such pictures, a common thing for Ukrainian political culture ...

          oh-oh-oh, but you didn’t call me "ukrointsem" ??? Why not a "liberalist"? "Russophobe"? laughing
          1. NEOZ
            NEOZ April 9 2021 13: 54
            +2
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            oh-oh-oh, but you didn’t call me "ukrointsem" ???

            captain obvious....
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Why not a "liberalist"? "Russophobe"?

            haven't earned it yet ...
  2. Fan-fan
    Fan-fan April 8 2021 04: 24
    +7
    The war has not yet begun only because Michal Ivanych pulled up the troops to Ukraine, and the dill's coca are clearly not steel, they are afraid.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter April 8 2021 07: 33
      -10%
      Quote: Fan-Fan
      The war has not yet begun only because Michal Ivanych pulled up the troops to Ukraine, and the dill's coca are clearly not steel, they are afraid.

      And the bad ones are dumb on both sides.
    2. Zug
      Zug April 8 2021 08: 28
      +5
      The war did not start only because there was no command. Yes, Ukraine is not interesting to anyone and no one hears it, but everyone hears the voice of the United States.
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov April 8 2021 10: 37
        +6
        Quote: Zug
        The war did not start just because there was no command. Yes, no one is interested in Ukraine and no one hears it, but everyone hears the voice of the United States.

        I totally agree with you, Zug, and many commentators. The war hasn't started yet. The time has not yet come, as the great crowd speaks about literate experts.

        Although the author of the article was quick to declare that "the war did not take place." I was glad about the absence of a "bloody revolution", "for those who did not die, were not crippled, did not lose loved ones, relatives, friends, home and so on." And he even identified the perpetrators of false information. What is it? Complete misunderstanding of what is happening? Or deliberate misinformation? Whom and why?

        All depends on the will of the Americans, with its FAS! they will set everyone in motion. Of course, the war may not take place this spring and summer. But this Unlikely.
        1. Zug
          Zug April 8 2021 11: 19
          +4
          It may not take place. If a "miracle" happens and Zelensky simply refuses to nominate troops to the original ones ... BUT ... They will change to another Zelensky, arrange a provocation with, allegedly, the participation of the Russian Federation. They have options. We do not have them. Well, if only to leave Donbass and Lugansk rep. to the mercy of fate, and the Ukrainians will arrange a bloodbath there. But even then we are a loser ... In short, we are waiting. Here's what worries me more: The number of equipment in the Baltic countries, Poland, etc. Here is WHAT? With Ukraine, everything is more or less clear
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov April 8 2021 11: 40
            0
            Just threats, I guess.
            1. Zug
              Zug April 8 2021 11: 47
              +4
              Too expensive for threats, and too much equipment was brought in, too much time wasted.
          2. NEOZ
            NEOZ April 9 2021 13: 45
            +1
            Quote: Zug
            This is WHAT?

            this is the concentration of forces and means for the X hour ... the general strengthening of bridges in the countries of Eastern Europe, where bridges cannot withstand more than 70 tons. exercises with Russian-speaking civilians, exercises on the hidden transfer of personnel by public transport (the pandemic, by the way, greatly reduced the occupancy rate of civil aircraft / trains), a missile defense position area in Poland and Romania ... and a lot of things ...
            1. Zug
              Zug April 9 2021 18: 32
              0
              Whoa! And how do you know about strengthening bridges? Damn ... I don't like all this ..
              1. NEOZ
                NEOZ April 11 2021 10: 40
                +1
                Quote: Zug
                Whoa! And how do you know about the strengthening of bridges?

                yes old information already, more than a year!
        2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 8 2021 12: 52
          -4
          Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
          what the great crowd is talking about literate experts.

          I wonder how you determine who is literate and who is illiterate in this noisy crowd of clever talkers who call themselves "experts"?
          And, I suppose, there can be no "great multitude" literate by definition.
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          2. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov April 8 2021 13: 11
            +2
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            I wonder how you determine who is literate and who is illiterate in this noisy crowd of clever talkers who call themselves "experts"?
            And, I suppose, there can be no "great multitude" literate by definition.

            Competent experts are those whose predictions almost always come true, who, being in the spotlight for a long time, give accurate forecasts and have established themselves literate an expert. Which does not mean at all that impudent illiterate their experts do not scold them and do not try to refute their arguments and predictions. I avoid empty, noisy talkers, unlike you. You are right, of course, that there are more screamers. But there are still a lot of competent experts.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 8 2021 13: 19
              -7
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              But there are still a lot of competent experts.

              So, it won't be difficult for you to give an example of such a literate with bright predictive talents?
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              I avoid empty, noisy talkers, unlike you.

              Why is this "unlike"? I consider all public talking heads jumping from one talk show to another as empty pushers. Trustworthy analytical and forecasting reports are made up of entire staffs of analysts, not butts from TV or from YouTube channels.
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov April 8 2021 15: 24
                +1
                Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                So, it won't be difficult for you to give an example of such a literate with bright predictive talents?

                Can. But why? You just want to make me run to follow your instructions, and yourself you do not want "see" them. I repeat: today people seeing lots of.
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 8 2021 15: 35
                  -1
                  Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                  Can. But why?

                  clear. Expected.
                  Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                  You just want to make me run to follow your instructions, but you yourself do not want to "see" them.

                  don't talk nonsense. I asked an elementary question -
                  Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Would you mind giving an example of such a literate with bright predictive talents?

                  I was not going to manipulate anyone, tk. I do not know how and do not want to do this.
                  Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                  I repeat: today there are a lot of people who see.

                  Are you personally "seeing" or just looking at what they point to?
    3. Amore-mija
      Amore-mija April 8 2021 18: 21
      +1
      You may be right! We have secured the border, and from two sides. Anyone would have done it.
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 8 2021 05: 01
    +10
    The war has not yet begun, although the paradox is that the war has been going on there since 2014. It's just that Zelensky is an elementary coward, like Paroshenko, is it more expensive for himself to drive the vsuhniks and the national one for a new utilization - and as “that one” himself? found Russian troops in the Donbass itself. Therefore, it is difficult to drive the vukrovoyak for utilization, because they are accustomed to hitting the peaceful people from far away, but themselves to get under dense fire, and there is no desire to go en masse on humus.
  4. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 April 8 2021 05: 55
    +10
    Yes, the fact that the next bloody round did not happen in Donbass is just wonderful.


    It’s a bit early for such conclusions ... the equipment and forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in positions, the aggravation is increasing every day and a good window for the resumption of the offensive is the end of April - May (as the earth dries up), but if an order is not given to clean up Donbass during this period then it will be possible to exhale, but for now it remains only to observe.
  5. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 8 2021 07: 00
    +14
    Roman was tortured by self-censorship. The article is champion in understatement and hints, like a movie broker for the exchange of apartments.
    As you wish, combine the "higher order strategy" in your head and
    Seven years. Seven years of what? Nonsense, meanness and betrayal. Yes, the killing of those who by their deeds helped the republics survive is a betrayal.


    About Aksyonov and "Russian Unity" - controversial. The people there were different: patriots, and "cynical political strategists", etc. But Yanukovych's people pressed Aksyonov's party rather harshly. During the reign of Viktor Fedorovich, the SBU and his press aggressively corroded the pro-Russian movement in Crimea. Aksyonov and K endured and remained true to their views. Without the organized structure of "Russian Unity", the "Russian Spring" would hardly have taken place in Crimea.
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky April 8 2021 07: 31
      +13
      Quote: samarin1969
      Roman was tortured by self-censorship. The article is champion in understatement and hints, like a movie broker for the exchange of apartments.
      Here's how you want, and combine in your head "strategy of the highest order"

      I will support.
      An article about everything at once and about nothing in particular, no reasons, no conclusions, no assumptions, no forecasts of the development of the situation - like a line from a poem - "Horses mingled in a heap, people and volleys of thousands of guns merged into a lingering howl."
      So what? And nothing! An emotional shot.
  6. Olgovich
    Olgovich April 8 2021 07: 09
    +13
    Yes, what is in Donbass didn't happen the next bloody round is just wonderful. This is an endless feeling of joy for those who did not die, were not crippled, did not lose loved ones, relatives, friends, home and so on.

    Talk about a turn in past time, I think, is premature: not for this Canister called Vazelinsky. It was he, by the way, who pushed and pushed, still, in 2014, the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the offensive in the Donbass.

    Not for this purpose, 600 units of armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were pulled

    God forbid me to be wrong ...

    And now it is simply inappropriate to talk about some kind of “general unity” of Crimea on the way to Russia.

    very appropriate: 83% of voters voted, for reunification with Russia-97% of those who voted..

    As for the strategy, it was in keeping with handouts and loans of the regime, which is not hostile to Russia, in Ukraine as a whole.

    When maydaun swept her away, then impromptu there was a decision to help Crimea. Donbass got up on its own, they did not dare to join it, which I consider a mistake.
    1. Per se.
      Per se. April 8 2021 12: 26
      +3
      Quote: Olgovich
      Donbass got up on its own, they did not dare to join it, which I consider a mistake.

      By mistake, or
      This is the betrayal of those who died there. This is a betrayal of the very idea of ​​the Russian world.

      There was more than one Donbass, there was the entire southeast of Ukraine, where they were waiting for a signal from Russia, they were ready to support. But, having recognized the referendum in Crimea, amid fireworks and a joyful extravaganza in the media, the referendums in Donbass, which were held under "fireworks" from shelling, are not recognized, with a risk to the lives of Donbass residents.
      Moreover, the Russian leadership recognizes the farce with the elections by those who organized the anti-constitutional coup in Kiev under the patronage of the State Department and the CIA. This is despite the fact that the Russian leadership had a legitimate president of Ukraine and prime minister, and had full carte blanche on hand, at least to expose the junta and the United States in a coup, and, not to recognize, under any conditions, the Bandera elections.
      Further, even the monstrous crime in Odessa, which surpassed the atrocities of the Nazis during the war, actually got away with the Bandera and their patrons.
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich April 8 2021 20: 17
        +1
        Quote: Per se.
        By mistake, or
        This is the betrayal of those who died there. This is a betrayal of the very idea of ​​the Russian world.

        I think there was a mistake ....

        I remember that I longed for a repetition of Crimea in Donbass, at the same time I remember a photo of trains with NATO tanks moving to the East ...

        Huge responsibility for decisions, with a lot of unknowns ...
  7. Flooding
    Flooding April 8 2021 07: 21
    +16
    First of all, it would not hurt to determine their attitude towards the people of Ukraine.
    Because in the future, the main issue is not Donbass. It's more or less clear with him.
    The main issue is Ukraine.
    And the problem of relations with Ukraine will fall to our children. They will have to clean up the porridge.
    In the meantime, discord and chaos reign in our heads. Up to the hatred of ordinary Ukrainians. The pearls of individual inadequate, which have sunk to the level of the same Bandera, is terrible to read.
    Isn't it time to think about what future we see in the relations of fraternal peoples?
    And what can we offer Ukraine to replace Bandera's hatred?
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter April 8 2021 07: 30
      +2
      Quote: Flood

      Flooding

      An interesting thing, I was thinking over my comment and then bam, I read yours and I understand that you have already written everything. From here +100500 good drinks
      1. Flooding
        Flooding April 8 2021 07: 34
        +2
        Quote: Stroporez
        An interesting thing, I was thinking over my comment and then bam, I read yours and I understand that you have already written everything.

        Thank you, Stropcutter.
        Yesterday, under the article "The sect of Saint Javelin and the prophet Bayraktar must go away" I read absolutely terrible comments.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter April 8 2021 08: 21
          +3
          Quote: Flood
          Yesterday, under the article "The sect of Saint Javelin and the prophet Bayraktar must go away" I read absolutely terrible comments.

          Colleague, the fact is that propaganda with its hysteria puts pressure on the immature consciousness of many fellow citizens, hence the distorted outlook that turns our compatriots into the same skakuas.
          They just jump on their own sofas and do not understand that this is exactly until the very time when the son in zinc is brought or what is left of him.
          Sadly that's all.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding April 8 2021 08: 35
            +2
            Quote: Stroporez
            the fact is that propaganda with its hysteria presses on the fragile consciousness of many fellow citizens, hence the distorted outlook

            the twisted outlook of these immature minds is warmly supported by the Bandera bastard, who dreams of making peoples blood enemies.
            That’s what is upsetting to the point of impossibility.
            What is it, in fact, singing along with Bandera.
            1. Dante Alighieri
              Dante Alighieri April 8 2021 11: 58
              -1
              Speak the truth, comrades! Not the Kremlin's desire to take responsibility for the fate of the Russian world will come back to haunt us more than once.
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 8 2021 14: 49
                -4
                Quote: Dante
                Speak the truth, comrades! Not the Kremlin's desire to take responsibility for the fate of the Russian world will come back to haunt us more than once.

                Comrades do not speak about this, dear. And the Kremlin is not so stupid as to comb the idea of ​​a "Russian world". Because there is only one step from passionary nationalism to national socialism. And what will come back to haunt is of course, regardless of the actions taken by the authorities. And comrade Navodlom was absolutely right when he wrote that
                Quote: Flood
                the problem of relations with Ukraine will fall to our children. They will have to clean up the porridge.
                1. Dante Alighieri
                  Dante Alighieri April 8 2021 18: 33
                  0
                  And the Kremlin is not dumb enough to comb the idea of ​​"Russian mira"

                  The Kremlin is lazy and cowardly and, apparently, is not self-sufficient in the decisions it makes, otherwise the problem of Donbass, and indeed Kiev in general, would not exist today. Per se, I and many others have already explained this in detail and reasonably on the site, so I consider it pointless to repeat myself.
                  Because there is only one step from passionary nationalism to national socialism.

                  What a rant. But what is really behind them? What scares you so much about moderate Russian nationalism, what are you so afraid of in it? What are you really afraid of? That the Russians will again become a significant factor? That by uniting with 10 million Belarusians and 30 Ukrainians, we will get a chance to survive as a nation, stopping our own degeneration? Are you so afraid of that? Are you afraid that then we will no longer need tens of thousands of Tajiks and Uzbeks? Or what else, which you prefer not to name out loud?
                  the problem of relations with Ukraine will fall to our children. They will have to clean up the porridge.

                  Pushing everything onto descendants is, of course, noble. However, something tells me that they will simply be wildly delighted with such a "gift". Only there is one nuance: your ancestors left a strong and strong country for your generation, albeit not without flaws, and for some reason you give your children ruins, a burnt field and a bunch of enemies in addition. Do you really dislike your offspring so much that you wish them such a fate?
                  1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 8 2021 18: 54
                    -3
                    Quote: Dante
                    That by uniting with 10 million Belarusians and 30 Ukrainians, we will get a chance to survive as a nation

                    which exactly nation?
                    Quote: Dante
                    and for some reason you give your children ruins, a scorched field and a bunch of enemies in addition.

                    You are just proposing all this with your chimera of the "Russian world". How do you collect everyone in it? Promises, persuasion, threats, "polite people", horror stories about "enemies all around" or tired of the brave propaganda from every iron? How are you going to glue your "world" together? Snot about shared history and gene memory? This does not work already. No union for 30 years, generation non-soviet grew up, in which all this muttering about "we are one people, all are equal, but the Russians are smoother" causes rejection - does not want youth in the USSR and bast soup slurp behind the Iron Curtain. And more than anything the apologists of the "Russian world" can offer. And those who disagree are labeled "Russophobes."
                    Quote: Dante
                    Are you afraid that then we will no longer need tens of thousands of Tajiks and Uzbeks?

                    That’s what I’m not afraid of. Nobody will give up migrants in the foreseeable future. Here you know, separately your chimeras, separately the economy.
                    1. Dante Alighieri
                      Dante Alighieri April 8 2021 19: 26
                      0
                      which nation?

                      Are you serious now or are you kidding? French, damn it ...

                      How do you collect everyone in it? Promises, persuasion, threats, "polite people", horror stories about "enemies all around" or tired of brave propaganda from every iron? How are you going to glue your "world" together?

                      They completely forgot everything ... okay, I, who really suffered from the USE, because I knew a lot more than it decreased in the school course, and therefore did not answer routinely, as a result, my answers were simply not counted, but you are aksakals who passed the Soviet school, must know the classics.

                      From a cup overflowing with God's wrath
                      Blood is pouring over the edge, and the West is drowning in it.
                      Blood will flow on you, our friends and brothers! -
                      Slavic world, close tightly ...

                      “Unity,” declared the oracle of our day, “
                      It may be soldered with iron and blood only ... "
                      But we will try to solder it with love, -
                      And then we'll see what is stronger ...


                      In general, before becoming the center of gravity of the lands, Russia must create an appropriate image that directly demonstrates that being together is better than apart. Moreover, this image should be devoid of even a shadow of falsehood, otherwise the idea will not burn out. For this, of course, you need to make a lot of efforts, but there is nothing impossible in making our way of life more attractive than the European one. It's just that some people in the Kremlin need to start working, and if, due to their age, they are no longer able to do this, they should give up their place to those who can.

                      There is no union for 30 years, the non-Soviet generation has grown up, in which all this muttering about "we are one people, all are equal, but the Russians are smoother" causes rejection - they do not want youth in the USSR and slurp soup behind the Iron Curtain.

                      I am 29 years old, I found the Union only in the form of the ruins of once prosperous cities, and nevertheless I say: Great Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are one people. And I know many of my peers, on this and on the other side of the border, who think the same way.
                      You should tell in detail about the fact that Russians in the USSR were more equal than other nationalities to those who, in Soviet times, on business or on vacation, found themselves in the Baltic States (like my parents, for example), and who were very surprised by the difference in the standard of living of the local population and those who had come in large numbers. Russians. Moreover, the comparison was not in favor of the latter. So, the question of who had the most bonuses remains open. True, there is one nuance: having got rid of the ballast in the form of other nationalities, the Russians for some reason did not begin to live better. A mystery, however.

                      ... Nobody will give up migrants in the foreseeable future. Here you know, separately your chimeras, separately the economy.

                      Provided that the current model of capitalism is preserved, of course. Only here's the catch: who gave you a guarantee that this model will live for at least another five years?
    2. Boris55
      Boris55 April 8 2021 08: 25
      +2
      Quote: Flood
      Up to the hatred of ordinary Ukrainians.

      But it was these "ordinary" citizens of Ukraine who chose this government. The people are obliged to bear responsibility for their choice. Tell me - are they children and deceived them? So stop being "children". Improve your political literacy.

      Every nation deserves the power that it has.

      Quote: Flood
      Isn't it time to think about what future we see in the relations of fraternal peoples? And what can we offer Ukraine to replace Bandera's hatred?

      The hut is not burning here and it is not for us to offer them anything, whatever they want to put out their fire. As the president said: it is not possible to save a drowning man if he wants to drown.

      ps
      Yesterday on a TV show, an analyst from Ukraine was asked if he had renounced Russian citizenship. To which he replied: give me 15 t. $ And I will tear my Russian passport in front of your eyes ... These are they ...
      1. Flooding
        Flooding April 8 2021 08: 32
        +4
        Quote: Boris55
        Every nation deserves the power that it has.

        This is an axiom not subject to discussion.
        But I wrote about the calls of some inadequate people to pour blood over Ukraine.
        1. Boris55
          Boris55 April 8 2021 08: 35
          +4
          Quote: Flood
          But I wrote about the calls of some inadequate people to pour blood over Ukraine.

          There are inadequate in any country, including ours. The only question is how "loud" they are heard.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding April 8 2021 08: 38
            +2
            Go through the comments to the mentioned article and see what will remain on this site for a long time. What every reader will see in a year or two. That, from which the opinion of the reader will be formed. Something that cannot be dismissed as a trifle.
            Because this is the water to the mill of the official Kiev.
            Whether they understand this is inadequate or not.
            1. your1970
              your1970 April 9 2021 08: 38
              -1
              You didn’t answer the one asked directly yesterday 8 times a question- "What to do with the PEACEFUL population of Ukraine - zigzag, shouting" Mos, k, alaka na gi ,, la.ku !! "and vividly discussing near the House of Trade Unions in Odessa -" Oh, look another one is on fire. .. Cool! " в the case of the introduction of Russian troops to Ukraine ???
              What to do with peaceful people- IF Will these civilians start shooting in the back of Russian soldiers if they are brought into Ukraine? "
              On the options offered to you - to shoot absolutely stubborn ones, to plant the rest, you started wringing your hands and shouting - "You are not people! You want to destroy peaceful people and pour blood over Ukraine (apparently understanding in your heart that there may be quite a lot of Bandera supporters) !!!"
              They gave you a story - how real Bandera fighters ran across Ukraine in 1945-56, shot at Soviet soldiers and the Soviet government, and how the Soviet government fought them ..
              You were given examples of the fact that the power of Ukraine infuses hatred of Russia and the superiority of Ukrainians over everyone (up to the fact that Adam was a Ukrainian) already 30 (!!!!!) years.!!
              You were reminded that the current deputy of the Verkhovna Rada was a courier in the UPA at the age of 12 and shot at Soviet soldiers and citizens !!!

              The answer is that you didn’t give anything to do, only hysterics. They swayed, hysterical, refuted themselves - but they did not answer the direct question.

              If you close your eyes with your palms, you can't see the problem, right ?? !!
    3. Unknown
      Unknown April 8 2021 08: 29
      +7
      Quote: Flood
      And the problem of relations with Ukraine will fall to our children. They will have to clean up the porridge.
      In the meantime, discord and chaos reign in our heads. Up to the hatred of ordinary Ukrainians. The pearls of individual inadequate, which have sunk to the level of the same Bandera, is terrible to read.
      Isn't it time to think about what future we see in the relations of fraternal peoples?
      And what can we offer Ukraine to replace Bandera's hatred?

      This problem is no longer solvable. Today's youth, nothing will be decided. This constant postponement of pressing matters for later is a distinctive feature of the ruling regime. The simple truth is that time is working against Russia. More than one generation has already grown up that does not consider both peoples to be brothers, and is denying kinship, and not only in Kiev, but also in Moscow. The people who lived under the USSR, unfortunately, are leaving, and with them the desire and craving to live in one country. Young people, both there and here, look at the current situation in a completely different way. Some are ready to sell themselves to anyone with giblets ,, tilka not damned Muscovites ,, others, send all heavenly punishments ,, cunning snickering Ukrainians ,,. So they came, there is nowhere to go. This is the result of the rule of the Kremlin prisoners. The work with the Russians living in the former republics of the USSR has completely failed. Well, Russophobic propaganda worked with might and main power, which gave the result. Apart from incomprehensible statements about the unity of the Slavic peoples, Moscow cannot offer anything, and probably will not. Even if there was a desire to offer something sensible, capitalism would not allow it to be done.
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter April 8 2021 08: 33
        +1
        Quote: Unknown

        Unknown (Unknown)

        Nice to read a good comment! Thanks. shake your hand tight! soldier
        1. Dante Alighieri
          Dante Alighieri April 8 2021 12: 15
          +1
          Not everything is so sad. I am almost 30, but I do not think that Ukrainians are anything different from Russians or Belarusians, and I know that people who think also exist on both sides of the divide that divided us. The genetic memory of the single Russian people is alive, it is contained in our history and culture, even in our languages, because no matter how different the latter differ, I do not need a translator to understand what my interlocutors are talking about and vice versa. This cannot be changed, which means that our community will certainly find its embodiment in spite of everything. Remember what the classic wrote about this:

          - I would like to tell you, sir, what our partnership is.
          You heard from our fathers and grandfathers, in what honor our land was to everyone: it made itself known to the Greeks, and took chervonets from Constantinople, and the cities were magnificent, and churches, and princes, princes of the Russian clan, their princes, and not Catholic mistrust ...

          The busurmans took everything, everything was lost.

          Only we, orphans, remained, yes, like a widow after a strong husband, shit, just like we, our land!

          That's when we, comrades, filed our hand against the brotherhood! This is where our partnership stands!

          No bondage is holier than camaraderie!

          The father loves his child, the mother loves her child, the child loves the father and mother. But that's not it, brothers: the beast also loves its child. But only one person can become related by kinship by soul, and not by blood.

          There were comrades in other lands too, but such as in the Russian land, there were no such comrades.

          It happened to you more than one - to disappear a lot in a foreign land; you see - and there are people! also a man of God, and you will talk with him as with your own; but when it comes to telling a heartfelt word, you see: no, smart people, but not the same; the same people, but not the same!

          No, brothers, to love like the Russian soul - to love not so much with the mind or with something else, but with everything that God has given, that is not in you, but ...

          - No, no one can love like that!

          I know, it is now basely wound up on our land; they only think that they should have haystacks of grain, stacks and their horse herds, so that their sealed honeys would be intact in their cellars.

          They adopt the devil knows what Busurman customs; they abhor their tongue; he doesn't want to talk to his own; sells his own, as they sell a soulless person in the marketplace.

          But the last vile, whatever he is, even though he was covered in soot and in worship, he also, brothers, has a grain of Russian feeling.

          And it will wake up someday, and he, miserable, will hit the floors with his hands, grab his head, cursing loudly his vile life, ready to atone for the shameful deed with torment.

          Let them all know what partnership means in the Russian land!

          If it comes to that, to die - so none of them will have to die like that! ..

          Nobody, nobody! ..

          They don't have enough mouse nature for that!
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter April 8 2021 13: 42
            +3
            Quote: Dante
            The genetic memory of the united Russian people is alive,

            I am glad that there are healthy people among young people! good drinks
        2. Loh
          Loh April 8 2021 16: 12
          +6
          A simple truth - time is working against Russia. More than one generation has already grown up that does not consider both peoples to be brothers, and is denying kinship
          After Afghanistan, I served in western Ukraine. And at the end of the 80s it already became bad there. At the household level, the neighbors said that because they had nothing, because everyone was sent to Russia. The split has already begun. The mood against the army was bad. In 1991 I took part in the last Victory Parade. The whole city stood along the route and chanted "chase". Bandera's propaganda worked. Everyone said that "Canada will help us." And after the Belovezhye, agitators appeared in the unit, now they seem to be their army. They tried to introduce the address "Pan Officer". That the army couldn't stop it? Betrayal at the very top. In Moscow, Basilio the cat, Marshal Shaposhnikov. In Kiev, too, Russian Morozov, wanted to become the Minister of Defense. On the ground, unit commanders and political officers (not all of them, of course). Organized the taking of the oath. They tried to force those who refused to join the ranks, so we didn’t come to the service at all. We were fired, we left for Russia. Six months later, the commander was turned off, after a year the political officer, he had to put his own. Both left for Russia with a Khokhlyat oath on a Russian pension. In other units, most of the officers refused the oath; the units were disbanded. The fish rots from the head. Many of us stayed in Ukraine. They were forced to take the oath when they were retired, otherwise they were deprived of their pension. We ourselves are to blame, if the traitors are at the very top, then who will make the decisions? The KGB and the army are to blame for not destroying the top of the traitors. Something like this, emotions and guilt ...
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter April 8 2021 16: 45
            0
            Quote: Loh
            Something like this, emotions and guilt ...

            Don't blame yourself, Shuravi! soldier drinks You have listed your debt to the Motherland in full, and what to take from us, they were young and gullible, so they put us on trust and spread us thinner and in different corners.
            I flew from Ferghana at 86, everything was quiet and calm, and on the 89th they began to cut each other. I am deeply convinced and there is evidence that the internat. Conflicts everywhere rocked gebuha and put a hand in the collapse of the USSR. If with our current brains, yes, back, of course, they would have torn their teeth, and saved the country.
            Shake hands! soldier
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      3. Flooding
        Flooding April 8 2021 08: 41
        +1
        Quote: Unknown
        Today's youth, nothing will be decided.

        It is very bitter to realize, but I am afraid that the youth of today will have to cut this Gordian knot.
        1. Unknown
          Unknown April 8 2021 09: 22
          +2
          Quote: Flood
          today's youth will have to cut this Gordian knot.

          Of course, all this is sad, but one must agree with reality, one cannot hide from it. There was a task, to divide one people, and then play it against each other, and it was fulfilled by 90 percent. The Rusaks began to fight among themselves, to the hooting of Europe and the United States. The goal has been achieved. Blood was shed, and this does not contribute to unity. What ideology is needed to suit both sides? What can we offer at the moment? From my own experience I know how difficult it is to convince young people of something. different languages. So they got a bad idea in their head, and that's it, there is no way to convince them. They do not recognize any arguments. Maybe I'm exaggerating something, I became old, but it seems to me so. And how they will agree among themselves when they cannot stand each other by sight.
          1. Kronos
            Kronos April 8 2021 10: 28
            0
            Throughout history, everyone has fought everyone. So there is nothing new.
          2. dauria
            dauria April 8 2021 12: 27
            +1
            .What ideology is needed to suit both sides? What can we offer at the moment?


            Prince Vyazemsky of Nizhny Novgorod was hanged, defeating his troops. What do you know about the battle near the village of Kozino between Balakhna and Nizhny Novgorod? The Russians beat the Russians. Minin was there. The Balakhna top was hanged. Four years before Minin's campaign against Moscow. And also Arzamas and so on, so on.
            The appanage princes never gave their allotments "just like that".

            You are right about one thing, the problem is there and time is aggravating it. But without a top, hanging on its own gates, it cannot be solved either now or twenty years ago. And the people - in a generation will be completely Russian.
            1. Unknown
              Unknown April 8 2021 13: 10
              -1
              Quote: dauria
              But without a top, hanging on its own gates, it cannot be solved either now or twenty years ago. And the people - in a generation will be completely Russian.

              But the top is that, in the next 20 years, it is not going to hang on its gates. Such is the problem, I still want to steer. As for the people, I came across studies of Natsiks from Kiev. It has a Russophobic smell, but there are interesting moments, for example ... The only negative thing that catches the eye is the results of Russification. Let's compare the Ukrainian population of 1959 and 1989:



              We see that practically all over Ukraine the Ukrainian population was declining. Only in Kiev we see significant growth. This can be explained by the influx of a large number of rural population into the capital. And how can you explain the decrease in Ukrainians by five and a half percent in, say, the Poltava region?

              If we compare the spread of the Ukrainian language in 1959 and 1989, we will see an equally sad picture: .... Hence, it turns out that during the years of Soviet power, from the 20s to 89, more and more people began to consider themselves Russians This is not one generation, but several, and the Union would not have collapsed, the figure would have been higher. Immediately they write ... over 30 years, more than 15% of the region's population have changed their language identification.

              The reverse process, although not on such a scale, took place with the creation of the Ukrainian state in 1991, as shown by the 2001 census, the results of which can be found on the website "All-Ukrainian Population Census-2001". So, the process went in the opposite direction, and the generation, I assure you, will not be Russian at all. The data is taken from here History / - Ukraine.
              1. clerk
                clerk April 8 2021 18: 50
                0
                ... provided the 2001 census, the results of which can be found on the site "All-Ukrainian Population Census-2001". So, the process went in the opposite direction, and the generation, I assure you, will not be Russian at all. The data is taken from here History / - Ukraine.
                in 2008, according to research by the Gallup Institute, it turned out that 83% of Ukrainian citizens chose to fill out (and completed) a questionnaire in Russian [19]. The methodology was that the survey was not related to the topic of the language, but the questionnaires themselves were in three versions: in Russian, Ukrainian and English. (WITH)
              2. your1970
                your1970 April 9 2021 09: 15
                +1
                Quote: Unknown
                Ukrainian population in 1959 and 1989:
                We see that practically throughout Ukraine, the Ukrainian population has been declining.
                during this period it was fashionable to record as Russians in the USSR. They say it's easier to get into bosses ...
                Quote: Unknown
                The reverse process, although not on such a scale, occurred with the creation of the Ukrainian state in 1991,

                And then it became fashionable to be NOT Russian, again in the size of the entire CIS
                In Kazakhstan, all of the Sergeev Borisovichs abruptly became Seriks Berekkalievichs ...
  8. Woodman
    Woodman April 8 2021 07: 46
    +8
    And now it is simply inappropriate to talk about some kind of “general unity” of Crimea on the way to Russia. And whoever wants to, he can remember the clashes between Russians and Tatars. The latter wanted so much to Russia that representatives of the Tatar communities of Russia came to agitate or buy them more than once.

    What for? For what?

    Really. One would like to ask: why is it here and for what?
  9. BAI
    BAI April 8 2021 08: 38
    0
    Yes, the fact that the next bloody round did not happen in Donbass is just wonderful.

    NATO analysts have recognized the conflict as INEVITABLE. The question is now not "will - will not". The question now - "Will it be obligatory, only when?".
  10. Li17
    Li17 April 8 2021 09: 32
    -1
    I understood the meaning of this, they chew snot on both sides and no one wants to take serious measures. And the question to the Author, what SHOULD be done in order to solve the problem, so to be in the black? I see no point in analyzing the speeches from both sides, although remembering how the hostilities began is worth it, you don't have to be naive so as not to understand one truth, that if the aggressor knows the answer ... Suffice it to recall the Ossetian-Georgian conflict, for which we were preparing in advance, and they even knew the beginning ... but as usual above they thought that chatter and no one would dare. Saakashvili decided to get a kick in the ass, but if he knew how it would end for him PERSONALLY, I would think that he would hardly have twitched, but we carefully put things in order and it turned out that Saakashvili was still a hero. Although he was afraid to climb into Abkhazia, maybe that's why he was spared. Well, Gordon, as Palchevsky called him "rubber prophet", is also that shot. In general, I have the impression that Ukraine is being cleaned of the Slavs, the Jews have the right, at one time they were the titular nation there in terms of quantity, now the titular structure of power.
  11. Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 8 2021 09: 37
    +3
    Again some kind of teenage idealism in the article.

    The LDNR is not needed for anything other than as a bargaining chip for playing politics for putting pressure on Ukraine.

    They didn't want our - here you are.
    A buffer zone of tension, and in a foreign territory. Like a memorable Chechnya in ours.

    At the same time, they fused all the activists of the "Russian spring", marches, Cossack unions and others ... where they disappeared or calmed down.

    And to block access to shale gas reserves in Europe's largest field. How is it that gas is nearby and outside of Gazprom, which missed the shale revolution? never!

    And that's all. Are the goals achieved? - Yes. And then the famous - there is no money, but you hold on ...

    But the tension must be maintained. And in the media, and so that the commoners do not calm down and do not begin to think why the simple are dying, and the rich trade (remember the famous: you need to rejoice!)
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 8 2021 11: 43
      -3
      Quote: Max1995
      The LDNR is not needed for anything other than as a bargaining chip for playing politics for putting pressure on Ukraine.

      They didn't want our - here you are.
      A buffer zone of tension, and in a foreign territory. Like a memorable Chechnya in ours.

      At the same time, they fused all the activists of the "Russian spring", marches, Cossack unions and others ... where they disappeared or calmed down.

      They wrote everything correctly, I agree on all points.
  12. avia12005
    avia12005 April 8 2021 14: 14
    -2
    Tears and blood of Donbass will be poured out to all who consider themselves the Russian World.
    1. clerk
      clerk April 8 2021 18: 43
      -2
      .Tears and blood of Donbass will pour out to all who consider themselves the Russian World.
      Tell this mantra on duty to the Poles in Volhynia - maybe they will believe.
  13. Aleksandr97
    Aleksandr97 April 8 2021 16: 49
    0
    The referendums in the LPNR on returning to Russia were an impulse, but unfortunately, in the geopolitical game they preferred a reinforced concrete anchor between NATO and Ukraine, the same as for Georgia.
    Obviously, this is a half measure.
  14. Victor Borisov_2
    Victor Borisov_2 April 8 2021 17: 36
    +1
    Citizens, and the quote about the columns that are marching, attributed by the respected author to Hasek, is actually from Leo Tolstoy's "War and Peace". Or am I missing something?
    1. Avior
      Avior April 9 2021 08: 37
      0
      Of course, from War and Peace.
      This feature is such - if the topic is about Ukraine, the authors often write all sorts of nonsense, without straining the factual side of the matter.
  15. Siegfried
    Siegfried April 8 2021 18: 04
    +2
    nothing is over yet, summer is ahead. Of course it was not Gond ** n who launched the rumor about the APU offensive. This rumor arose as a result of the displaced troops in Ukraine, there were missing tanks, etc. To this, supply echelons were added, and at that moment the whole thing was picked up by the government of Ukraine in order to shake the air and attract attention. Therefore, new echelons followed. The problem is that after such a pressure, simply doing nothing for Ukraine is also not quite an option. It turns out that the tail is just between his legs and the like. There is no doubt that there will be a slight aggravation, perhaps a battle for a couple of villages in a separate area or UAV attacks on the positions of the DPR and LPR. It remains to be hoped that the response will be comparable to aggression, otherwise it will be difficult for Ukraine to retreat, if we assume that 20-30 Ukrainian soldiers die immediately after the artillery, even if it will be a response to the death of 2-5 fighters from the eastern side of the front. This whole thing is a very delicate game and the fact that they are not going to attack now does not mean that they will not have to go all-in, because there will be no other options
  16. clerk
    clerk April 8 2021 18: 41
    -1
    ... The transformation of the Donbass tragedy into a line in the news feed is a betrayal. Attempts to make everyone do not care about everything that happens there is a betrayal.

    This is the betrayal of those who died there. This is a betrayal of the very idea of ​​the Russian world, which was protected from the sticky paws of the Terbats.

    Donbass will remain as much of our pain as Chechnya.

    We cannot betray ourselves and listen to those who try to do this. Otherwise, they just might succeed one fine moment.
    For seven years, one and the same senseless information gum on the topic "putinslldonbass". Needed only by third-rate hacks to remind of themselves.
  17. George Davydov
    George Davydov April 9 2021 00: 09
    0
    Someone once spoke and wrote about the Great Game. And then I came across the speech of a certain messenger of God, who more succinctly and reasonably stated this in his speech, which, it turns out, is a programmatic document for liberals. Therefore, I ask you to read, think, add the necessary information and draw conclusions. I will give you a link and a number of quotes.
    "Https://www.liveinternet.ru/users/6326443/post430608811
    KHABAD LYUBAVICH: PLANS FOR RUSSIA SUBMITTED THE GENUINE TEXT OF MENACHEM M. SCHNEERSON'S SPEECH
    A Slav, a Russian, can be destroyed, but never conquered. That is why this seed is subject to elimination, and at first - to a sharp reduction in its numbers.
    But we will ensure the full prosperity of our nationalism - Zionism, or rather: Jewish fascism, which in its secrecy and power is super-fascism. It was not for nothing that the UN General Assembly in 1975 adopted a resolution in which it defined Zionism as the most notorious "form of racism and racial discrimination", but due to our victorious march on the whole planet, in 1992 canceled this decision. We have made this international body a weapon of our aspirations to seize power over "all kingdoms and peoples."
    4. We will deprive a large population of Slavs of the national elite, which determines the development of events, the progress of the country, and, ultimately, the entire course of history. To do this, we will lower their educational level - in the next 5 years we will close half of their institutions, and we will study in the other half.
    But we will ensure the full prosperity of our nationalism - Zionism, or rather: Jewish fascism, which in its secrecy and power is super-fascism. It was not for nothing that the UN General Assembly in 1975 adopted a resolution in which it defined Zionism as the most notorious "form of racism and racial discrimination", but due to our victorious march on the whole planet, in 1992 canceled this decision. We have made this international body a weapon of our aspirations to seize power over "all kingdoms and peoples."
    4. We will deprive a large population of Slavs of the national elite, which determines the development of events, the progress of the country, and, ultimately, the entire course of history. To do this, we will lower their educational level - in the next 5 years we will close half of their institutions, and we will study in the other half.
    There is nothing to say about history. We will give the cattle our view of history, where we will show that all human evolution was moving towards the recognition of the God-chosen nation of Jews as masters over the whole world. In return for national values, we will give you the patriotism of balalaika and drunken tears. And here our goal is to replace the red-brown elite with ours.
    We will not allow the development of science in these countries. And the core of scientists (Academy of Sciences) will consist of our people. We will not allow any high technology, which will lead to a complete decline in industry, which will be reduced to the production of basic necessities for a limited contingent of slaves who extract our raw materials.
    If we recall history, then we must admit that these lands are the ancestral lands of the ancient Jewish Khazaria, that is, Israel, captured by Kievan Rus in the XNUMXth century. The Slavs are temporary guests here and are subject to eviction.
    We will return this territory and create on these fertile lands the Great Khazaria - a Jewish state, as we created Israel 50 years ago, pushing the Palestinians out. Some of the Israelis will move here, and we will drive the Slavic far north, beyond Moscow. There will be a small northern territory - a reservation with a compact population, a reservation similar to the Indians in America. "
    And this suggests that this policy is not accidental. Moreover, it is not in the interests of either the Russians - for the media now have a slogan - the Russian cross, neither for the Russians, nor the Ukrainians, nor the Belarusians. And since this messenger presents himself and others like Jewish fascists and super-fascists, this clearly indicates the recipient of the gesheft. Or not?
  18. Kapral Alphych
    Kapral Alphych April 9 2021 01: 32
    +1
    But our ruble from every sneeze of Ukraine begins to die and none of our troops on the border can support it ...
  19. Hort
    Hort April 9 2021 11: 58
    +1
    But I think that in the event of the start of an air defense, it is necessary not only to neutralize the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the front line, but to destroy the maximum number of rear support, command and control and planning points, from army headquarters to high-precision strikes on strategically important objects, including the administration of Zeli, Radu, general staff, etc.
    So that those who are planning the next war with peremogy are disposed of on the same day with their soldiers.
    Well, the curators will receive an excellent signal that our "calibers" fly far away, otherwise they have forgotten
  20. kytx
    kytx April 9 2021 23: 03
    +1
    I wish Skomorokhov to start writing about politics. Write about the technique.
    tired of seeing such whining on a respected site. no texture and cold analysis, some snot.
  21. Slava Skunsov
    Slava Skunsov 4 May 2021 13: 08
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    Wow ... How not to recall the immortal Yaroslav Hasek, "Di erst to the marshirt column, dictate to the marshirt column ..."



    From the novel "War and Peace" (1868) by Leo Nikolaevich Tolstoy (vol. I, p. 3, ch. 12).

    Weyrother, with the movement of a man too busy to waste at least one minute of time, looked at Kutuzov and, making sure that he was asleep, took the paper and in a loud monotonous tone began to read the disposition of the future battle under the title, which he also read:
    "Disposition to attack the enemy position behind Kobelnitsa and Sokolnitsa, November 20, 1805".

    ... Die erste Kolonne marschiert, die zweite Kolonne marschiert ...
    Die erste Kolonne marschiert, die zweite Kolonne marschiert ...