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The company "CosmoCourse", which was planning the development of space tourism, announced its closure

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The private Russian company KosmoKurs, which previously received a license from Roskosmos for space activities, announced its closure. This was stated by the general director of the company Pavel Pushkin.


Answering a question about the reasons for this decision, Pushkin explained that the company faced "insurmountable difficulties" in agreeing the requirements of the authorities for the construction of a private cosmodrome, as well as the impossibility of obtaining regulatory documents from the Ministry of Defense for the design of the rocket.

Earlier, the company announced plans to build a private cosmodrome in the Nizhny Novgorod region. In addition, KosmoKurs received a license from Roskosmos for space activities and began developing a single-stage reentry rocket and a seven-seat spacecraft for space tourists to fly to an altitude of 200 kilometers.

In 2020, the private company "CosmoCourse" for the first time in stories Russian cosmonautics was admitted to participate in the competition for the creation of the Amur-LNG carrier rocket.

At the moment, the company employs 50 designers of space technology, all of them have already been announced about the reduction. In turn, Roskosmos intends to retain the KosmoKurs design team and is currently considering the issue of including them in one of the structures included in the state corporation.

The CosmoCourse company existed for almost 7 years, it was organized in 2014 for the organization of space tourism.
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  1. Woodman
    Woodman April 6 2021 15: 34
    +3
    In addition, KosmoKurs received a license from Roskosmos for space activities and began developing a single-stage reentry rocket and a seven-seat spacecraft for space tourists to fly to an altitude of 200 kilometers.

    the company faced "insurmountable difficulties" in coordinating the requirements of the authorities for the construction of a private cosmodrome, as well as the impossibility of obtaining regulatory documents from the Ministry of Defense for the design of the rocket.

    So a seven-seater shuttle at least designed? Or did it not go beyond words?
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty April 6 2021 15: 39
      +5
      Lesovik - Roscosmos doesn't need competitors for nothing, it gets rid of them! Before that, a company wishing to launch a private rocket of its own design from the territory of the Voronezh region, where they wanted to build their own cosmodrome, "disappeared". This is money, and what if the private trader succeeds, and Roscosmos' own Mask is like a knife for genetics!
      1. Woodman
        Woodman April 6 2021 15: 44
        +3
        Quote: Thrifty
        he gets rid of them! Before that, a company wishing to launch a private rocket of its own design "disappeared"

        I didn't ask for Roscosmos. I clearly asked whether the seven-seater was developed or not? Roscosmos could not interfere with this development in any way.
        1. Thrifty
          Thrifty April 6 2021 15: 48
          -2
          Lesovik - now what's the difference if even the rocket was not given permission to build and test? Even if they developed a koskor, they were not given permission to create it, without it, as well as without a launch vehicle, what, how and how will the company launch into space? ??
          1. Woodman
            Woodman April 6 2021 15: 53
            0
            Quote: Thrifty
            Now, what's the difference if even the rocket was not given permission to build and test?

            Was there anything to build and experience? I did not see a word that this company had designed something. Most likely, they did not agree on anything due to the lack of a subject for approval. So far, based on the article and your answers, only such a conclusion suggests itself.
            1. Thrifty
              Thrifty April 6 2021 16: 36
              +3
              Lesovik - at first, for your money, you build a rocket capable of taking off to an altitude of 30 km, if a couple of launches are normal for you, you submit a request to create a rocket to launch cargo into orbit! Or people! Your next rocket should take off above the Karman line, that is, go into outer space, but. ... here comes into effect the permission to create and launch such a rocket from Roscosmos, from the military. .. a bunch of approvals! Only, the problem is that Roskosmos without explaining the reasons may refuse you permission to create and launch such a rocket! EVERYTHING! !! Bureaucracy triumphs over common sense, the competitor is eliminated! Your unbuilt rocket will be considered hazardous to the environment, for example, or some other reason will be found to prevent you from becoming an honest private space businessman! !!
              1. Woodman
                Woodman April 6 2021 17: 31
                +4
                Quote: Thrifty
                Lesovik - first, for your money, you build a rocket that can take off

                And there was something to build? You already tell me which commentary about the intrigues of Roscosmos, while I am only interested in a simple question - was an apparatus for space flights developed or not? All you talk about is project implementation problems. I am NOT asking about this. I am interested in how ready the spacecraft project was. After all, permission is not required to develop such an apparatus. If the project was ready for physical implementation, then you say so. If not, then what's the point in moaning about the intrigues of Roscosmos?
                Although I doubt at all that you are reading my questions ... So far, our dialogue fits into the formula "I tell you about Thomas, and you tell me about Erema" ...
              2. XXXIII
                XXXIII April 6 2021 17: 36
                +1
                Quote: Thrifty
                EVERYTHING! !! Bureaucracy triumphs over common sense

                Probably the people from this company are Roscosmos, they created the appearance of a private project. I have not heard that there were such companies with large capital. Only about the sea launch, which was bought by a private trader, everything else is the intrigues of the marketing of Roscosmos.
          2. Flooding
            Flooding April 6 2021 16: 02
            -2
            Quote: Thrifty
            now what difference does it make if even the rocket was not given permission to build and test?

            huge difference
            there are competent private companies in the state capable of launching such a project, or they are not
            1. Thrifty
              Thrifty April 6 2021 16: 38
              -3
              They were such recently! Roscosmos finishes the last. ...
              1. Flooding
                Flooding April 6 2021 16: 39
                +2
                Quote: Thrifty
                They were such recently! Roscosmos finishes the last. ...

                I thought you knew them!
                well, tell me. everyone is interested.
                1. Thrifty
                  Thrifty April 6 2021 16: 45
                  -5
                  Navodlom - I'm not Pushkin, I can't write poems, and I don't want to! !!
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding April 6 2021 16: 46
                    0
                    Quote: Thrifty
                    Navodlom - I'm not Pushkin, I can't write poems, and I don't want to! !!

                    okay. don't tell.
                    the main thing is that I take your word for it without any evidence
                    1. Thrifty
                      Thrifty April 6 2021 16: 53
                      -4
                      Navodlom-oh, thank you, respected laughing , in fact, the Internet will help you, some "eaten", or rather, who did not receive permission for such an activity as the creation and launch of space cargo, had their own pages, look if they were not swept under a clean one, it’s interesting how the state equipment slows down private trader's way into space. Why is it impossible to have your own Musk in Russia? One engineer, now working in China, also wrote, and a few years ago he naively dreamed of creating spaceships in Russia. ...
                      1. Flooding
                        Flooding April 6 2021 17: 47
                        +2
                        Quote: Thrifty
                        Internet to help you, some of the "eaten" or rather, who did not receive permission for such a type of activity as the creation and launch of space cargo had their own pages, look, if they were not swept under a clean one, there it is interesting how the state apparatus slows down a private trader's way into space.

                        Thanks to the article and your persistence, we have already found one such from Skolkovo.
                        Seven years of unceasing toil for the benefit of Russian cosmonautics.
                        You are doing the right thing not to share information. You are on the right track, comrades. Not then you are on VO, to spread the facts, but to prove something to someone.
                        Here's someone else to demand for idle chatter - this is please. For a sweet soul. From the same croaker Rogozin, for example.
                        But that's another matter. It is necessary to understand.
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter April 6 2021 15: 48
        +1
        Quote: Thrifty
        This is money, and what if the private trader succeeds, and Roscosmos' own Mask is like a knife for genetics!

        It is for sure that the cutting space does not need competitors in cutting.
        1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Sidor Amenpodestovich April 6 2021 15: 55
          -3
          Quote: Stroporez
          It is for sure that the cutting space does not need competitors in cutting.

          That is, this CosmoCourse would also be engaged in sawing, in your words?
          1. Flooding
            Flooding April 6 2021 16: 03
            -1
            Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
            That is, this CosmoCourse would also be engaged in sawing, in your words?

            what are you really
            well, the man blurted out without thinking
            It happens to everyone
            even with the most real anti-corruption
          2. Flooding
            Flooding April 6 2021 16: 13
            +1
            main page of the site CosmoCourse from the cache

            That's interesting.
            For seven years we have been doing ISKK within the framework of the Skolkovo Foundation.
            1. Nikon OConor
              Nikon OConor April 6 2021 16: 39
              +7
              Yes, there were no developments ... nothing at all. The Skolkovo Foundation has invested (created) a part of the budget funds in a private company. Together they sawed (mastered) this budget, and when they felt that they would start asking for developments further, they closed the company, citing "wrong" laws. Judging by the cached site, they didn't even want to invest in their "face" on the Internet. Not a page, but some squalor. In the late 90s, I wrote with my hands in HTML and that was better ...
              IMHO.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding April 6 2021 16: 40
                0
                Quote: Nikon OConor
                Yes, there were no developments ... nothing at all. The Skolkovo Foundation has invested (created) a part of the budget funds in a private company. Together they sawed (mastered) this budget, and when they felt that they would start asking for developments further, they closed the company, citing the "wrong" laws

                what do you mean! can not be!
                this is the intrigue of Roscosmos))
                1. Nikon OConor
                  Nikon OConor April 6 2021 16: 41
                  0
                  Sarcasm, huh?))
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding April 6 2021 16: 42
                    +1
                    Glory to you, Lord!
                    At least one person on VO recognized the sarcasm on the first try.
                    Usually they begin to extinguish the crowd.
                    1. Nikon OConor
                      Nikon OConor April 6 2021 16: 44
                      +2
                      Yes, sometimes it is bad here, both with humor and with understanding))
                      Sincerely hi
                    2. Malyuta
                      Malyuta April 6 2021 17: 31
                      +1
                      Quote: Flood
                      At least one person on VO recognized the sarcasm on the first try.
                      Usually they begin to extinguish the crowd.

                      I am very sorry, but jokes and sarcasm do not always go away here, so after the phrase it is better to immediately write the word sarcasm. laughing
                      1. Flooding
                        Flooding April 6 2021 17: 37
                        -2
                        Quote: Malyuta
                        after the phrase, it is better to immediately write the word sarcasm

                        the problem is that after writing the word "sarcasm" 90% of the sarcastic message disappears.
                        It's like telling an anecdote to suggest where to laugh.
                      2. Malyuta
                        Malyuta April 6 2021 18: 10
                        0
                        Quote: Flood
                        the problem is that after writing the word "sarcasm" 90% of the sarcastic message disappears.

                        But there will be fewer minuses, the audience here is a serious bow, they can present it for a comma wassat
    2. Furious bambr
      Furious bambr April 6 2021 16: 39
      +1
      Are you serious? Let's fix the spaceport in your yard so that the first step will fill up all nine floors? The next budget sawers, it just didn't work out. Or did one of them bring their money ???
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx April 6 2021 16: 55
        +4
        The private Russian company KosmoKurs, which previously received a license from Roskosmos for space activities, announced its closure. This was stated by the CEO of the company Pavel Pushkin.

        What can I say? Oh yes, Pushkin! Oh yes, someone's son!
    3. abrakadabre
      abrakadabre April 6 2021 18: 36
      +1
      Before that, a company wishing to launch a private rocket of its own design from the territory of the Voronezh region, where they wanted to build their own cosmodrome, "disappeared".
      And where in the Voronezh region and on what shisha was the company going to have enough land to safely place an entire cosmodrome in a densely populated area? The same is about the Nizhny Novgorod region. A normal airfield requires a lot of land. And already under the cosmodrome ... To reduce the risk that some explosive <... censorship ...> of several hundred tons did not collapse on people's heads. Especially at the stage of design development. And then, during operation.
  2. Infinity
    Infinity April 6 2021 15: 40
    +3
    Quote: Lesovik
    So a seven-seater shuttle at least designed? Or did it not go beyond words?
    hi Nope. Yes, and it is impossible to design something in such a period, except, perhaps, a layout, especially since they could not fully begin the development of the launch vehicle, for which this shuttle will be made. You can also remember how much the same Blue Origin did their New Shepard, for example, and they had more resources for this.
    By the way, I remember in the magazine "Russian Space" in 2019 they wrote about problems with legislation in this area and compared them with the legislation of other countries. We need to work through this moment if we want to give the green light to such projects. And you don't really need to reinvent the bicycle: there is the experience of the United States and China, you just need to adapt it to our conditions.
    1. Woodman
      Woodman April 6 2021 15: 46
      0
      Quote: Infinity
      Nope. And it is not possible to design something in such a period, except for the layout

      Clear. I was just trying to find out for myself the degree of guilt of "the authorities and the Ministry of Defense."
  3. Avior
    Avior April 6 2021 16: 35
    +3
    .
    the inability to obtain from the Ministry of Defense regulatory documentation for the design of the rocket

    And how to design and even more so to build a ship without a rocket?
    1. Woodman
      Woodman April 6 2021 20: 56
      -1
      Quote: Avior
      And how to design and even more so to build a ship without a rocket

      And what then were fifty designers doing for 7 years (yes, plus there were probably still accountants, personnel officers, suppliers) on the money of investors, if they could not work without an answer from the Ministry of Defense? Did you create an imitation of hectic activity?
      1. Avior
        Avior April 6 2021 22: 35
        0
        Seems like they were heroically overcoming difficulties
        The company's staff for 2018 was 30 people, aged from 20 to 60 years [8]. The minimum wage for a young specialist with a higher education was 55 thousand rubles per person [8].

        General Director of the company Pavel Pushkin is a graduate of the Moscow Aviation Institute, who worked for 10 years at the Khrunichev Center, where he participated in the design of the Angara rocket [21].

        The company has one investor who remains anonymous [8].

        In 2015—2016. the technical specifications for the creation of the spacecraft were agreed with Roscosmos [11]. In 2016, the terms of reference were agreed upon, and permission was obtained from Roscosmos [12]. In September 2017, the company received a license to carry out space activities [13]. The commissioning of the preliminary project was scheduled for April-May 2018 [8] .....

        In the Nizhny Novgorod region, the construction project of the first private cosmodrome in Russia has been suspended. This was announced by Pavel Pushkin, general director of the private space company "Kosmokurs", which is engaged in the project.

        In an interview with RIA Novosti, Pushkin complained about bureaucratic obstacles. “Nothing is being coordinated on the cosmodrome. Everyone is nodding at each other, ”he said.

        According to him, a year ago the company agreed with the authorities of the Nizhny Novgorod region on the process of coordinating the sanitary protection zone of the cosmodrome. The corresponding project was sent to the Nizhny Novgorod Institute of Rospotrebnadzor, then to the Federal Medical and Biological Agency (FMBA), and then to the Federal Rospotrebnadzor. No response was received, the head of the company said.

        Work on the project to create a suborbital rocket for launching space tourists has also been suspended, Pushkin said in a comment to TASS. According to him, "Kosmokurs" for the second year has not been able to receive normative documentation from the Ministry of Defense for its design. At the same time, Pushkin noted that the military “speaks everything correctly from a legal point of view,” since the Ministry of Defense is not the customer of the Kosmokurs project.

        I don’t know what they would have created if these difficulties did not exist, but so far the result - these bureaucratic difficulties were, and without overcoming them nothing can be created - at any moment they can slow down, as the government did with Sea Launch, a much more predictable private project. who was banned from using Ukrainian-Russian missiles, but there are no purely Russian ones.
        1. Woodman
          Woodman April 6 2021 23: 14
          -1
          Quote: Avior
          I don’t know what they were creating

          And if without "would" it turns out that nothing. And then they decided to blame everything on bureaucrats. Where are the developments? Why build a cosmodrome if there is no ready-made spacecraft even on paper?
  4. Twodi
    Twodi April 6 2021 23: 41
    +1
    Our grandfathers, old men, were not allowed. Today I listened on FM business, as some grandfather from Roscosmos said: “Yes, young enthusiasts have come here, yes, they have money, connections, but they would not have succeeded. Because who are they to implement such projects ... "this is all Russian reality.
  • xorek
    xorek April 6 2021 15: 35
    -14%
    Like Musk wanted to crank up ..? At the expense of the budget, etc. Oh well ..
    We know these "tourists" ..
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona April 6 2021 15: 40
      +8
      Musk first successfully launched a rocket into space, and only then signed a contract with NASA.
      Business first, then sweets
    2. Thrifty
      Thrifty April 6 2021 15: 40
      +5
      Ferret -Vitaliy fool fool people put their money into it! !! am
  • pyagomail.ru
    pyagomail.ru April 6 2021 15: 37
    +6
    They found a strange place for the cosmodrome. Maybe it's better in the Moscow region, closer to Sheremetyevo airport? And start up the train?
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty April 6 2021 15: 50
      +3
      With the cosmodrome, state officials and the military cut a place so that you do not find yourself near a nuclear power plant, or a strategic military facility! Your wishes are not our wishes, in other words!
  • Sined
    Sined April 6 2021 15: 38
    -5
    Apparently Roskosmos decided to independently engage in space tourism and absorbed a competitor, if it can be called that.
    1. Nikolay1987
      Nikolay1987 April 6 2021 15: 40
      +4
      What kind of competitor is there, even the prototype was not shown at least something. They are simply mired in the state bureaucracy, and the business-paln does not like this, it is a loss.
      1. Sined
        Sined April 6 2021 15: 49
        +1
        It is quite possible that they would not have succeeded, they just need to give a chance and support, with the possibility of influencing the private trader so that there is no mess. In the States, in addition to SpaceX and Rocket Lab, which are already firmly on their feet, such private traders as Firefly Aerospace, ABL Space Systems, Astra, Relativity Space are next in line. They are then given support and contracts. Although it was possible to get by with two private traders.
    2. slipped
      slipped April 6 2021 15: 47
      +2
      Quote: Sined
      Apparently Roskosmos decided to independently engage in space tourism and absorbed a competitor, if it can be called that.


      Roskosmos has long been involved in space tourism. This year, two ships with tourists are flying.
    3. Flooding
      Flooding April 6 2021 16: 07
      +1
      Quote: Sined
      Apparently Roskosmos decided to independently engage in space tourism and absorbed a competitor, if it can be called that.

      here they are just trying to figure out the question, was there anything to absorb
  • spirit
    spirit April 6 2021 15: 40
    +3
    Yes, the Mask would definitely not have shone with us)))
    But in China they took it seriously, seeing the prospects from private astronautics.
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 6 2021 15: 41
    -6
    The company has existed for 7 years, but what kind of money? I definitely didn't transfer money to them! There is a topic who needs to dig!
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona April 6 2021 15: 55
      +4
      Private investment
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 April 6 2021 16: 13
        -2
        Then I felt relieved from the bottom of my heart, thanks !!!
  • slipped
    slipped April 6 2021 15: 43
    +1
    And where does the Baikonur Union in the picture have to do with it? Here the private investor did not want to risk his money. This is something new and unknown.
  • knn54
    knn54 April 6 2021 15: 48
    +6
    Does anyone know what they have done in almost seven years? Except for some papers.
    1. slipped
      slipped April 6 2021 15: 54
      +6
      Quote: knn54
      Does anyone know what they have done in almost seven years? Except for some papers.


      The engine was done. The materials were selected and the manufacturing technology. Ignition system. Spillage of injectors.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 6 2021 16: 30
        +1
        It was necessary to create good advertising, then the problems of a bureaucratic nature would decrease.
        1. slipped
          slipped April 6 2021 22: 47
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          It was necessary to create good advertising, then the problems of a bureaucratic nature would decrease.


          Speaking of advertising, today the Samara University launched its experimental rocket at an altitude of almost 2 km:



          Successfully, they will recruit the next of the modules - they want to reach 10 km.

          "One of the nearest projects, supported by the University and the Progress RCC, will be to help the student bureau create more powerful missile modifications capable of reaching an altitude of 10 km and higher."
      2. Konnick
        Konnick April 6 2021 16: 54
        -2
        The engine was done. The materials were selected and the manufacturing technology. Ignition system. Spillage of injectors.


        "For two years I learned to pronounce this word" pre-sti-di-gi-tator ", ha-ha! .. And a whole month -" hypnosis ".
      3. Flooding
        Flooding April 6 2021 17: 27
        -1
        Quote: slipped
        The engine was done. The materials were selected and the manufacturing technology. Ignition system. Spillage of injectors.

        how much is it as a percentage of the total amount of design work?
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 6 2021 16: 04
    -1
    Looked in the internet. Skolkovo. And that's it.

    Someone laundered money on trampolines.
  • Konnick
    Konnick April 6 2021 16: 08
    0
    I wonder who financed these "Cosmo Horns and Hooves"?
    1. Avior
      Avior April 6 2021 22: 26
      0
      Anonymous investor
  • Roma 1977
    Roma 1977 April 6 2021 16: 08
    +2
    The damn coronavirus has crippled the entire travel industry. Even space touched.
  • Konnick
    Konnick April 6 2021 16: 10
    -3
    Quote: BlackMokona
    Private investment

    Where did private investors get their money from? From which banks?
    Was it possible that banks gave loans for a pure gamble?
  • sannyhome
    sannyhome April 6 2021 16: 16
    +1
    "The company faced" insurmountable difficulties "in agreeing the requirements of the authorities for the construction of a private spaceport, as well as the impossibility of obtaining regulatory documents from the Ministry of Defense for the design of the rocket.
    Pistos sad
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 6 2021 16: 33
      +1
      Yes, it's a shame, of course - they worked and the officials said, "We don't care about you and your projects - go to the forest"
    2. Ua3qhp
      Ua3qhp April 6 2021 16: 42
      0
      Light "drank-start-up" office from Skolkovo.
      We were able to cut about 2 million in 60 years and fled, apparently they were not allowed to go to the budget.
      https://www.list-org.com/company/7948185/report
      Whether it is between Roscosmos and MTKS LLC
      https://www.rbc.ru/business/02/10/2020/5f73430a9a7947f665bf9af3
      https://www.rtss.space/o-kompanii
      https://www.list-org.com/company/12287970
      Know how and with whom to work
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 April 6 2021 17: 00
        +5
        Well, their swing was definitely not in a camisole. Even in China, they would have been given a ride to an investor. It should be easier to start.

        About 60 million and were not allowed to the budget. There is such a compact company RocketLab - they started with 300 thousand dollars and a garage, then New Zealand helped them, then investors, then NASA. As a result, they were able to launch a rocket that makes 7 launches a year (and in this 10+ according to the plan), working on missions to the Moon and Venus, building a potentially manned medium Neutron rocket and having a cost of over $ 5 billion even before the IPO.








        But after 2 years of work and 300 thousand of collected money, they still did not even have Ateya (this is such a suborbital demonstrator). She flew only for 3 years.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 6 2021 23: 41
        0
        Unfortunately, there was no drink. Kosmokurs really worked on the project within his means.
  • SKIF555
    SKIF555 April 6 2021 16: 23
    -4
    ! It was necessary to put pressure on the environment - grants are provided, the dough is immeasurable. And that tourists will collect space debris! But what to do with him is to Greta from Sweden.
  • LTMax
    LTMax April 6 2021 16: 25
    +6
    I met such a review on the internet, I can not vouch for its compliance with reality:


    "In QC, literally a couple of people work with something other than paper. You will have an interesting in meaning and boring form of work exclusively in the office at the computer. You will perfectly learn where which commas should be and where not. What words are allowed, and There is no bureaucracy, a wagon and a small cart. We adopt the "best" practices of state-owned companies. All conferences and exhibitions are in personal time. You will not communicate with anyone from the professional community - there is no time.
    “A company that doesn’t know how to do anything wants to go to large-scale rocketry, to manned space exploration, to rocket-dynamic landing, to 30-fold reusability, and, preferably, all this at the same time. You will not see so many nearby nines in terms of reliability. Well, how long - fifty years? In such conditions, the first "flight" will not take place before the year 30. I do not envy future clients, it will be faster to make your own rocket and fly into space. So, are there any prospects at CC? I want to believe that someday they will appear. "


    completely, who is interested, here - https://pravda-sotrudnikov.ru/company/kosmokurs/otzyv-368891.
  • Simon schempp
    Simon schempp April 6 2021 16: 28
    +4
    However, nothing new.
    As the saying goes, if Elon Musk was born in Russia, he would now spend his first term for PayPal.
  • Konnick
    Konnick April 6 2021 16: 49
    -2
    Quote: Flood
    main page of the site CosmoCourse from the cache

    That's interesting.
    For seven years we have been doing ISKK within the framework of the Skolkovo Foundation.


    Mavrodi and MMM are resting laughing laughing
  • Undecim
    Undecim April 6 2021 17: 11
    -1
    Answering a question about the reasons for this decision, Pushkin explained that the company faced "insurmountable difficulties" in agreeing the requirements of the authorities for the construction of a private cosmodrome, as well as the impossibility of obtaining regulatory documents from the Ministry of Defense for the design of the rocket.
    However, there is another answer.
    "The main project is not possible to implement. It is too risky for an investor, since a lot has to be done first and there are no analogues in our country. And there are no customers for other projects, for example, an ultra-lightweight rocket," Pushkin replied to a TASS correspondent.
    That is, everything can be much simpler - they no longer give money, since in seven years the company, in fact, has not created anything.
  • Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 April 6 2021 17: 13
    0
    The managers for the elimination of the Russian cosmonautics are successfully coping with their task! And do not be mischievous here! Who will understand the topic!
    1. Flooding
      Flooding April 6 2021 17: 32
      +1
      Quote: Yuriy71
      The managers for the elimination of the Russian cosmonautics are successfully coping with their task! And do not be mischievous here! Who will understand the topic!

      I'm in the subject!
      And what happened?
      1. slipped
        slipped April 6 2021 20: 44
        -4
        Quote: Flood
        And what happened?


        Farted.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding April 6 2021 22: 40
          -3
          Quote: slipped
          Farted

          silly, it was a reference to the unforgettable Golden Calf
          1. slipped
            slipped April 6 2021 22: 43
            -4
            Quote: Flood
            it was a reference to the unforgettable Golden Calf


            And I didn't have a reference. laughing Package. Clear?
  • Intruder
    Intruder April 6 2021 17: 52
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    Pushkin explained that the company faced "insurmountable difficulties" in coordinating the requirements of the authorities for the construction of a private cosmodrome, as well as the impossibility of obtaining regulatory documents from the Ministry of Defense for the design of the rocket.
    that is, there was not even a design .. recourse , and then, suddenly, plans about:
    In 2020, the private company "CosmoKurs" for the first time in the history of Russian cosmonautics was allowed to participate in the competition for the creation of the Amur-LNG carrier rocket.
    and to the heap, guess fellow :
    Earlier, the company announced plans to build a private cosmodrome in the Nizhny Novgorod region.
    Someone, and obviously, decided to cut the lard from the budget, but did not fuse! wink
    But, the statements were bold (and sailed ...) launch - up to 200 km., 7 people in a crew and a single-stage launch vehicle with a return system ... even Mask did not dream of this in his rainbow dreams laughing , what is this - for the engines, they could stand there and / or could not, and all this is complete profanity !?
  • Bshkaus
    Bshkaus April 6 2021 18: 01
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    The private Russian company KosmoKurs, which previously received a license from Roskosmos for space activities, announced its closure.

    Great news for the 60th anniversary of Yuri Gagarin's flight, reflecting the real situation and prospects of Russian cosmonautics.
    But Russia has a great and great past, in the rays of which we all so love to swim in spite of the future ((((
    1. slipped
      slipped April 6 2021 20: 48
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      Quote: Bshkaus
      reflecting the real situation and prospects of the national cosmonautics.


      Wrong. Here is the real situation in Russian cosmonautics:

      This morning, the Soyuz-2.1a space rocket (ILV) with the Soyuz MS-18 manned transport vehicle (TPK) was taken out of the launch vehicle assembly and test building and installed in the launch facility of site 31 of the Baikonur cosmodrome.



      And here are the nearest prospects:



      1. Bshkaus
        Bshkaus April 6 2021 21: 45
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        Wrong. Here is the real situation in Russian cosmonautics:

        You don't have to tell me, I see all this stuff every day, and I also know how they wanted to cut 40 specialists at Baikonur, and what kind of hack was there for these specialists.
        And as our deliveries are regularly disrupted, I better keep silent
        1. slipped
          slipped April 6 2021 22: 41
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          Quote: Bshkaus
          you don't have to tell me, I see all this good every day


          Then why lie then? belay You cannot see the Moon-25 every day, it is in the Lavka, preparing for the autumn launch.

          Quote: Bshkaus
          I also know how they wanted to lay off 40 specialists at Baikonur, and what was the hassle for these specialists.


          Specialists for what? Accounting? laughing

          Quote: Bshkaus
          And as our deliveries are regularly disrupted, I better keep silent


          However, everything then flies away. Successfully.
          1. Bshkaus
            Bshkaus April 7 2021 07: 09
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            Then why lie then? belay You cannot see Moon-25 every day, it is in the Lavka, preparing for the autumn launch.

            What are you talking about? Do you know that this project was conceived in 2005 and planned for launch in 2014? 16 years to develop a lunar automatic ship is a disgrace on a universal scale. And the project itself is technologically and morally outdated without having time to be realized. During this time, microelectronics, oh, how far has gone, and replacing it in a project is not changing a roll of toilet paper in the toilet.
            So there is no need to talk about the great space achievements of modern Russia - we are in the deepest ...
            1. slipped
              slipped April 7 2021 12: 00
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              Quote: Bshkaus
              What are you talking about? Do you know that this project was conceived in 2005 and planned for launch in 2014?


              I am aware that the project was conceived in '88. lol Google why Luna Globe.

              Quote: Bshkaus
              16 years to develop a lunar automatic ship is a disgrace on a universal scale.


              There were other pressing issues besides this. Now hands have reached the moon. The assembly of the first devices is in full swing.



              Quote: Bshkaus
              And the project itself is technologically and morally outdated without having time to be realized.


              Has anyone landed at the South Pole of the Moon earlier? laughing Do you even know that Moon-25 is followed by Moons 26,27,28,29? And why? No? laughing

              Quote: Bshkaus
              During this time, microelectronics, oh, how far has gone, and replacing it in a project is not changing a roll of toilet paper in the toilet.


              Name you two lunar lander, which had the so-called. "modern electronics" that recently crashed while landing? laughing

              Quote: Bshkaus
              So there is no need to talk about the great space achievements of modern Russia - we are in the deepest ...


              Well, you are exactly there. laughing And we are preparing new spacecraft for launch. So everything is fine with our achievements.
      2. grindz
        grindz April 7 2021 14: 09
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        We would also make a space nuclear tug. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pRcIStdFbw). It would be cool if it really flies.
        1. slipped
          slipped April 7 2021 21: 34
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          Quote: grindz
          We would also make a space nuclear tug. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pRcIStdFbw). It would be cool if it really flies.


          They will do it. Work is underway in this direction, and everything is financed intensively and on time. A compact nuclear reactor, the main energy component of the nuclear power plant has already been made. Now they are working on the motors themselves. There are at least three different applicants. Although combinations are possible.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart April 6 2021 19: 04
    -1
    Private? ahaha. Private cosmod? ahahah. In Russia ? AHAHAA. Obtaining from the Ministry of Defense regulatory documents for rocket design? AHAHAH. IN THE NIZHNY NOVGOROD REGION ?? !! Here it is no longer funny, at all.
    In general, all this was somewhat late by April 1, in fact, very funny. In a country woven of megalomonopolies, to try, in cooperation with the state, which has a paranoid habit of secreting everything in this area, to create a rocket and build its own cosmodrome, to put it mildly, far from the equator and, to put it mildly, an insufficiently uninhabited area - the idea was initially extremely dumb in each element separately, and together ...
    Russian Ilona Masks should know one simple thing, or rather even two - 1) the HORN will not share with anyone)) It does not have such a large trough, the size of which is also narrowing.
    2) With our historical attitude to the degree of admission to near-war technologies, there is nothing to count on the help of state monopolies and an adequate framework for some kind of business plans within these schemes. With our attitude to "law" and regulation, there is nothing to hope that you will be given to create your own rocket from 0.
    1. Ua3qhp
      Ua3qhp April 6 2021 20: 04
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      There is another option. Perhaps this office was not going to do anything, a possible amount of money was withdrawn and culturally merged. New Vasyuki failed.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart April 6 2021 20: 16
        +1
        Well, given the fact that in the plan there was a cosmodrome in a not very good place for this and with a route over forests and cities - it is not excluded. If SUDDENLY I was the Russian Elon Musk, I would try to stay away from cooperation with Roscosmos and the Ministry of Defense as far as possible, because from the point of view of any business person who values ​​time and money, these are two potential black holes, in fact either outside the jurisdiction (Ministry of Defense) or extremely unhurried and with a very muddy pricing (Roscosmos). IMHO, taking into account our geography, there are basically two options - either to focus on some territory in the Far East and cooperation with Chinese manufacturers - Asian customers, or Sea Launch in about the same regions. Ideally, avoid any "help" and "cooperation" with state monopolies as much as possible and imagine in advance all the scale of hell that a corrupt bureaucracy can throw on its head - in this regard, either a VERY good plan is needed, providing for backdoors at all stages, or better in general, do not get involved with this, or at the worst end, do everything in advance so that you can wind up the business here and deploy somewhere else. (Sea Launch). All this is so, observations of course .. maybe I'm wrong about something.
        1. Ua3qhp
          Ua3qhp April 6 2021 21: 24
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          Yes, you can work with them, it's difficult, but you can. There would be a real desire to do something, and not draw a presentation.
        2. Avior
          Avior April 6 2021 22: 39
          -1
          There is already a sea launch, and the government stopped its implementation by banning Russian-Ukrainian missiles.
          There are no other missiles.
          Sea Launch stands and dries what it has ...
          1. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart April 6 2021 22: 44
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            I mean the concept itself. Ideally, the rocket should have its own intellectual property rights. With Ukraine, the same problems could arise - all the fault is outrageous corruption, kickbacks, a complex system of secrecy and inflexible management.
            1. Avior
              Avior April 7 2021 07: 20
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              In these cases, I just do not see corruption, they did not demand money from them.
              They were deliberately hindered in their work, some for departmental reasons, others for political reasons.
              If a person gets his hands together, then he will not do anything.
              Maybe, of course, he will not do anything even with his hands unbound, but to reproach the connected person for not doing anything is a strange position.
          2. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart April 6 2021 22: 58
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            Why do I consider the MS concept as the best one for our private astronautics? (although I do not believe that it can arise in our country, in our country the state traditionally hated and tried to exterminate everything private, especially all private "de facto" that is played with big toys) But if we assume that:
            1) The MC platform is NOT real estate, but a man-made object, that is, it is impossible (or rather, much more difficult) to squeeze it out according to the schemes according to which real estate or land under real estate is squeezed out.
            2) Since the MS platform is potentially transportable, in theory, no one bothers to wave a paw to a shitty environment and literally "take away" most of the business. In theory, I'll emphasize.
            3) If the launches are carried out from neutral waters, then the state will have much less opportunity to get to the bottom of ecology and safety - and it loves to get to the bottom of this, when money is needed for a hairy paw.
            4) In all honesty - private launches on "heavy-heavy" cannot be mastered right away and it is no use even thinking about it without a strong basis - that is, an easy-medium or medium carrier. For which the MC platform is quite well suited.

            Of course, there are enough minuses, but the main plus is that your big brother will not drag your rebuilt business with the spaceport to the bottom to the bottom.
          3. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 6 2021 23: 44
            -2
            As Soyuz 5 will do so Sea Launch and come to life.
    2. Avior
      Avior April 6 2021 22: 42
      -1
      Russian Ilona Masks should know one simple thing

      This one, for example
      Just about "Russian Ilan Musk"

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.lenta.ru/news/2018/04/16/ilonmask/amp/

      : (((((