The Ministry of Defense announced the first display of the new Typhoon-Air Defense vehicle

The Ministry of Defense has announced the demonstration of the newest armored vehicle K-4386-Air Defense "Typhoon-Air Defense". As stated in the military department, an armored car designed to transport MANPADS calculations will be presented to the general public for the first time at the Victory Parade, which will be held on May 9 on Red Square in Moscow.

The military department explained that the "Typhoon-VDV" armored vehicle will pass as part of a mechanized convoy across Moscow's Red Square. In addition to the novelty, four more representatives of the Typhoon armored vehicle family will participate in the parade, which ones are not reported.

The mechanized column also includes five types of armored vehicles of increased security of the Typhoon family, and the Typhoon-Air Defense model will be held on Red Square for the first time

- said in a statement.

The new "Typhoon-Air Defense" armored car is a modification of the "Typhoon-Airborne Forces" armored car already in service. The main difference is the turret with a 12,7 mm machine gun and the presence of two hatches in the roof: one for the gunner-machine gunner, the second for the gunner-operator MANPADS. The set includes 9 portable anti-aircraft complexes.

Gross weight - 14 tons. Engine - 350 HP, max. speed - 105 km / h, cruising range - up to 1200 km. Crew of 5 people: driver, crew commander and 3 gunner of MANPADS crew. The armor provides protection against large-caliber bullets and detonation under the bottom of 4 kg, and under the wheel - 6 kg of explosives (in TNT equivalent).

The main purpose of the Typhoon-Air Defense armored vehicle is to cover military convoys, mechanized groups on the march and in parking areas, as well as to quickly change the positions of the crews of mobile anti-aircraft systems. In addition, the vehicle can be used as a commander or communications vehicle.

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[NDR-791]

Our news is late. I read it on RT at eight in the morning.

[xorek]

A beautiful column of armored cars ..! Where are they going?

[NDR-791]

Parade rehearsal

[xorek]

Quote: NDR-791

Parade rehearsal

Well, it goes without saying, and then in which direction ..

[NDR-791]

Quote: xorek

and then in which direction ..

Which direction do you need

[xorek]

Quote: NDR-791

Quote: xorek

and then in which direction ..

Which direction do you need

I understood about it too ..

[kapitan92]

Judging by the performance characteristics, the armored car is of good quality, but according to its intended purpose, I had questions.
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The main difference is the turret with a 12,7 mm machine gun and the presence of two hatches in the roof: one for the gunner-machine gunner, the second for the gunner-operator MANPADS. The set includes 9 portable anti-aircraft complexes.

Turret installation - open type, experience of Chechnya, Georgia, Syria, by.
And then, who are we going to shoot at, helicopters or UAVs?
The crew is 5 people, the driver is understandable,

Crew of 5 people: driver, crew commander and 3 gunner of MANPADS crew.

What are the functions of the crew commander? I do not observe radar, optical electronic systems on an armored car. Will he look for a target in the side window of the cockpit through binoculars? Z arrow - one hatch, and two "reload" or "needles" are fed into the hatch?

The main purpose of the Typhoon-Air Defense armored vehicle is to cover military convoys, mechanized groups on the march and in parking areas

From whom will they cover on the march, taking into account the performance characteristics of Igla MANPADS? UAVs, helicopters with modern means of destruction no longer enter the zone.

, as well as the operational change of positions of calculations of mobile anti-aircraft complexes. In addition, the vehicle can be used as a commander or communications vehicle.

This is understandable !!! This is the main task of the K-4386-Air Defense Typhoon-Air Defense armored vehicle.

[loki565]

Rather, it is a vehicle for transporting a MANPADS crew with the ability to fire on the move.

But the calculation itself may have various wearable devices, which is why such a number.

[Looking Petrovich]

So they do not make protection for the shooter, but the Americans, in their experience, paid for it in blood.

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Looking Petrovich

protection for the shooter

I also noticed this ...

[poquello]

Quote: Looking Petrovich

So they do not make protection for the shooter, but the Americans, in their experience, paid for it in blood.

a very interesting thought, why didn’t ours pay with blood?

[figwam]

Quote: Looking Petrovich

So they do not make defense for the shooter

There is protection, and there are other options.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

On American cars there is also an awning from the sun over the machine gunner, and on our armor shields are suspiciously smooth, there will be nothing to fix the awning from the sun and rain.

[Sofa batyr]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

American cars also have a sun awning over the machine gunner.

Yes, even diapers in the ammo rack!
There is a tendency and understanding of the "American", and there is ours.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

And if it rains, if at the moment of stopping the convoy it is necessary to keep an eye on the machine gun? Shall we get wet and watch how water is poured into a combat vehicle?
It remains to hide from the rain inside and enjoy the thoughts that we do not have the "American", you can leave the machine gun, put on a raincoat and leave the combat vehicle. In the heat from the unbearable heat, shall we go downstairs and turn on the air conditioner?
But without diapers, but not ashamed of the "American" canopy over your head.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Looking Petrovich

So they do not make protection for the shooter, but the Americans, in their experience, paid for it in blood.

A combat module with 2A42 was made for Typhoon-Airborne Forces. Yes, and typhoons glow with BM and with a closed turret.

[Ros 56]

This is good, they will operate and, based on the results, carry out modernization and put protection for the machine gunner.

[Alexilyin]

The sad results of using open positions of the shooter on the BM are well shown by the experience of other countries in various conflicts and wars, and are taken into account by others. And the Russian experience of Chechnya, Georgia (08.08.08) and Syria. But ... unfortunately for some reason this is not taken into account by us.

[Ros 56]

Well, it cannot be said that they do not take into account at all, on the tanks they put a miserable parody of defense, but you are right. The need will press, they will deliver, it's a pity, it will cost someone their lives.

[poquello]

Quote: Ros 56

Well, it cannot be said that they do not take into account at all, on the tanks they put a miserable parody of defense, but you are right. The need will press, they will deliver, it's a pity, it will cost someone their lives.

will not deliver, a machine gun is a kilometer ett once, protection is needed - one is ett two

[Leo Sayer]

Quote: Ros 56

This is good, they will operate and, based on the results, carry out modernization and put protection for the machine gunner.

Yeah, and women still give birth to machine gunners ...

[mark1]

Typhoon Air Defense has a hatch for the MANPADS operator. But couldn’t it have been possible to replace the hatch with at least a tower from “Strela-1”? And then something like that - a hole in the roof and immediately air defense, and if you replace part of the MANPADS with an RPG, there will be "Terminator of the Airborne Forces", and put on the hatch a glass roof and soft seats in the back - "Gran Turismo" ...

[loki565]

This is just a vehicle for transporting a MANPADS crew, with the ability to fire on the move. As for the arrow tower, there are other machines.

[mark1]

Well, how well and correctly you all said - a car for transportation (at least something), here I am about the same (somewhat allegorical)

[Nikolay Dyaglev]

Nichosi, this is modernization, and they've been digging a whole uluk in the roof. Everything, air defense. Be afraid it is expressed, otherwise how the Russian kid with a rocket will come out to the waist, how will he start ...

[Runway]

Strange performance characteristics are described: 3 gunner operators and 9 MANPADS. At the ZRVz there are three armored cars, 9 PU (PM) and 27 ZR transportable ammo. Double start.
ZRVz "for work" to jump out of the column track (engineering exploration may not be in time, because it is not rubber), which increases the likelihood of running into the MP.
KMT-light and air defense missile systems in the complete set of this truck are asking for the task ...

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

To cover military columns, mechanized groups on the march, another 82-mm mortar Drok is suitable.

[V1er]

There is a good module.

"Gibka" (GRAU index - 3M-47) is a guided weapon system (KUV), which is a turret with an automated control system, equipped with an opto-electronic detection and tracking system, as well as sets of equipment and launch modules "Strelets" (with missiles "Igla" type) and sets of ATGM launchers (with "Attack" missiles).
This thing can solve air defense problems. You can also come up with a controlled machine gun.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Will such a monstrous structure fit in the IL-76? To me the sight of this "whatnot" inspires fear and apprehension for its stability. If foldable, then wherever it went.

[Sofa batyr]

Quote: V1er

You can also come up with a controlled machine gun.

Come up with it is not necessary

Enough to think where to install such a module when the need arises.

[abc_alex]

The Ministry of Defense has announced the demonstration of the newest armored vehicle K-4386-Air Defense "Typhoon-Air Defense". As stated in the military department, an armored car designed to transport MANPADS calculations will be presented to the general public for the first time at the Victory Parade, which will be held on May 9 on Red Square in Moscow.

I do not understand who in the Ministry of Defense is pushing this KAMAZ craft into the troops? Okay in the Airborne Forces. It has its own specifics. But military air defense? MANPADS calculations? Are you seriously? This fool of 14 tons for transporting 4 people? Three operators and a commander ... And how will it work? I understand the logic of the "Gibka S" complex. There are cars - carriers of "Sagittarius". There is a car with a radar. There is a communication line. The launchers moved forward, received target designation from the radar, aimed (passive guidance of the launcher did not "shine" and the radar had already curled up and left) fired back, gathered, piled up.
The same thing without the "Sagittarius" with the operators "on their feet", simple jeeps, jeeps with "Dzhigits".

And what is this bus for three? How will it work? We took the operators to their places and went to drink tea? Or will they stick out of the hatch like this? How will this improve operator efficiency?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Do you want to return a tented or even an open GAZ-66? Explain your desires. And then besides the indignation that in a 14-ton car there are only 4 people ideas are not visible.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

Do you want to return a tented or even an open GAZ-66? Explain your desires. And then besides the indignation that in a 14-ton car there are only 4 people ideas are not visible.

I repeat once again: WHY do anti-aircraft gunners need this car? The strength of MANPADS is not in range and power, but in stealth. In this logic, the "Gibka" complex is understandable, in which advanced launchers and a rear radar are placed on jeeps. The radar gives out primary target designation, this increases the chance of target acquisition from the launcher. PUs work in a passive mode, they do not lose their stealth. And the radar, after issuing target designation, can quickly collapse.
It does not matter how the launchers move into position: whether the jeep is carrying the "Sagittarius", or the jeep is carrying an anti-aircraft gunner with MANPADS, or a pickup truck is carrying an anti-aircraft gunner with Dzhigit.
The logic is clear.

Now explain why you need to introduce this machine? It will not make the work of MANPADS operators easier and more efficient. And with such a mass, where will she take the fighters? To the side of the road?
Why block a 4-ton bus for 14 people?

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

That is, you definitely need a jeep instead of a 14-ton armored vehicle?

[abc_alex]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

That is, you definitely need a jeep instead of a 14-ton armored vehicle?

Not. We need a SYSTEM. In which the technique will be justified. I already said: the strength of the MANPADS operator is in stealth. If he "looks out of the window with a MANPADS, no helicopter will ever look at him. No matter the OLS, even the radar. And if you put him in the car, that's already the GOAL. Whether it's a jeep, even a pickup truck, or a luxury bus. Therefore, motorization should be justified. ...
In Gibka - there is an excuse. The radar machine allows you to issue primary target designation to the launcher and orient the operators to the desired azimuth. Their rockets are not all-aspect, and take time to prepare. Here, the decrease in stealth is compensated by the speed of reaction.
And what will this bus give? If it had an OLS or a radar and "Strelets" I would not say a word. And so what? It's just a delivery van. What for?
In addition, I remind you that this vehicle is not in service with the RF Armed Forces. And initially it contains all the key production units of the NATO countries.

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

This is why the power of MANPADS began to lie in stealth?
It is impossible to launch MANPADS from the windows, by analogy with firing from a grenade launcher.
It is strange to declare any armored vehicle as a target. With this logic, one can reach the point of abandoning any motorization.
And as for the adoption of NATO countries and units, it is not my competence, I do not have accurate information.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

This is why the power of MANPADS began to lie in stealth?

Because his targets are faster, better armed, and better protected. If the helicopter sees the operator, he will kill him, even with a cannon, even with a rocket. And even more so the plane. The plane has a lot of ways to even simply avoid contact with MANPADS.

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

It is impossible to launch MANPADS from the windows, by analogy with firing from a grenade launcher.

Quote: abc_alex

If he "looks out of the window with MANPADS,

I put the quotes for a reason, I forgot to close. :): If he "looks out of the window with MANPADS" ...

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

It is strange to declare any armored vehicle as a target.

What is this? Natural phenomenon? Foreign object?

Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich

With this logic, one can reach the point of abandoning any motorization.

I set out my logic clearly: motorization should not be for its own sake, it should increase the combat potential of the unit.

[garri-lin]

She and the Airborne Forces have a place. 14 tons on 2 axles. I don't believe in cross-country ability. Purely road screech.

[LTMax]

All this, of course, is great, but only one moment is especially interesting - how many imported parts are there in this newest domestic armored car? According to the materials that we managed to whip up, the engine there is KAMAZ, but they are silent about the origin of the automatic transmission. Is it really Allison again from our overseas "partners"?

[Pavel57]

Are MANPADS still relevant?

[Sofa batyr]

Quote: Pavel57

Are MANPADS still relevant?

[Zaurbek]

Relevant .... goals are changing. The attack aircraft went 5000m .... helicopters remained, there were more of them.

[Pavel57]

Quote: Pavel57

Are MANPADS still relevant?

In Syria, mostly MANPADS are not working. It's the same in Karabakh.

[garri-lin]

MANPADS are still relevant. And not only that, a second birth awaits them. In the next 5 years, we can expect a complex the size of Verbue, but with much better characteristics in terms of range and altitude.

[Zaurbek]

What kind of diesel is this car?

[Evgeny Seleznev]

The presence of two hatches in the roof: one for the gunner-machine gunner, the second for the gunner-operator MANPADS. This somehow does not deserve a separate name for the model, this is possible on the UAZ. One option for using armored ABSh and nothing more.