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The West should have sided with Hitler

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The West should have sided with Hitler
A German infantry unit from Army Group North walks past a burning house in a village near Pskov. Summer 1941


The West had to take the side of Hitler's Reich. A scandalous book by the American revisionist historian Sean McMeekin "Stalin's War" is being published in the USA. The author takes a new step in stories falsifications of the Second World War in the West: he directly reproaches the countries of the West for their wrong choice. Churchill and Roosevelt needed not to fight Hitler, but to unite with him and fight Stalin.

Russophobia on the march


This is not the first such work by McMeekin. In 2011, his book "Russian origins of the First World War" was published. In it, the author argues that Russia is allegedly more than other powers guilty of unleashing a world war. The war was fueled by Russia's enormous imperialist ambitions. In particular, Russia sought to seize Constantinople, the Black Sea straits zone and Galicia. The Russians used the situation in Serbia to be the first to begin mobilizing the army and thereby provoked Austria-Hungary and Germany to start a war. Also, the Russians allegedly provoked an uprising in Western Armenia, supplied the Armenians weapon long before the Ottoman Empire entered the war. This is the origin of the Armenian catastrophe.

The traditional method of Western propaganda: when white turns into black and vice versa. For example, in the West, the greatest and most effective Russian rulers, Ivan the Terrible and Stalin, have been turned into tyrants and villains. At the same time, propaganda has worked so well that even a part of Russian society believes in it.

Basically McMeekin didn’t come up with anything new. After the collapse of the USSR, history was already rewritten in the West. Russia is no longer considered the liberator of Europe. Moreover, in the Baltics, Ukraine, Georgia, Poland, the Czech Republic and many other countries, Russians are considered “occupiers” and “rapists”. Stalin was put on a par with Hitler, and communism with Nazism. The theory of the equal responsibility of Germany and the USSR in unleashing a world war has spread. Soviet soldiers-liberators were equated with the German occupiers and SS men. Moreover, in the wake of the “democratization” and liberalization of Russia in the 1990s, similar sentiments prevailed among Russian liberals and Westernizers.

Year after year, the postulates of the "criminal conspiracy" of Stalin and Hitler - the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, which allegedly began the Second World War, were approved. About the "Soviet occupation" of the Baltic States, Bessarabia and Western Belarus, and Ukraine. About Stalin's "criminal war" against Finland. How Hitler and Stalin "jointly" destroyed the Polish state, and much more. For each position, many articles, "scientific" papers and documentaries were published. They were approved in the "world" public opinion. Now this is a "truth" that is denied only in Russia and partly in Belarus. Although there are Westernizers or nationalists in Belarus who agree with this anti-Soviet and anti-Russian myth.

London and Washington nurtured Hitler


The fact that it was London and Washington that at one time nurtured and fostered Hitler, preparing him for a campaign to the East, is not told to the western man in the street. How Germany was helped to restore a powerful industry, the military-industrial complex, to create the Wehrmacht. What could not have been done without powerful financial injections, colossal economic, technical and resource assistance. Germany was allowed to break the Versailles agreements that contained it, to create full-fledged armed forces. That Hitler was given almost all of Europe. Austria and Czechoslovakia. England and France allowed the Reich to crush Poland - a "strange war". Britain slept through the occupation of Northern Europe. Then the masters of the West merged France.

Hitler and the Third Reich seemed to the West as an ideal anti-Soviet weapon. Until the very end of the war, the USA and England tried to avoid landing in Europe in order to strike the Reich. After all, the war between the Germans and the Russians was planned and went like clockwork. Millions of Russians were killed, German armies reached Leningrad, Moscow and the Volga. In the Far East, the Japanese Empire was to strike at Russia at any moment. The fiercest battles bled Russia and Germany. As a result, the Anglo-Saxons had to finish off the weakened winner, establish their own world order. The United States and England joined the ranks of irreconcilable fighters against Hitlerism only at the last stage of the war, when it became clear that the Russians had turned out again and became even stronger.

It is this truth about the war that Western falsifiers are trying to hide.

They take revenge on the pages of history textbooks, humiliate Russia and the Russians. They tarnish our heroic past. They are trying to make us Ivan, not remembering kinship, to hammer into Russians the idea of ​​their historical and civilizational "inferiority", of the need to be obedient to the will of the "developed, civilized and free world." Turn us into slaves of the Western order.

Therefore, the next step is now taken.

Russians are an absolute evil. Stalin is much worse than Hitler. Like, the Fuhrer and his henchmen were not so bad guys. They tried to protect Western Europe from the "Russian barbarians". In fact, this is a continuation of the theory of the revisionist writer V. Suvorov (Rezun), who suggested that Stalin was preparing a preventive war against Germany (The myth of Stalin's "preemptive war") and Hitler only got ahead of him, and thereby saved Europe from complete occupation by the Red Army and from its Sovietization.

The historical, informational basis for the assertion that Russia is an aggressor country is presented. At the same time, the Russians are aggressive at any period of their history: the Russian kingdom, the Russian Empire, the USSR and the Russian Federation. The Russians attacked Turkey, Sweden and Poland, started two world wars, the war in Afghanistan, invaded Ukraine and Syria, etc. Conclusions from the adoption of this theory can be made broad: from the fact that today's Russia (without repentance) cannot be a full member of the UN and the world community to the need to revise the borders of the Russian Federation. For example, the Russians should abandon Vyborg, Kaliningrad, the Kuriles, Crimea, the North Caucasus, etc. Pay compensation to the peoples affected by the "Soviet occupation". In particular, in the Baltics, in Poland, similar proposals have been put forward more than once.

Interestingly, in Germany itself, which was previously one of the strongholds that opposed revisionism, the process of rehabilitation of Nazism is also underway. For example, the German state channel ZDF launched a campaign under the hashtag #MeinNaziHintergrund (“My Nazi past”), urging young Germans not to hesitate to talk about their grandfathers and grandmothers who served in the NSDAP. The German generations who were ashamed of their past are gradually leaving. And sooner or later, quantity will turn into quality. Not surprisingly, Nazis are increasingly being found among the elite German troops.

The primary source of world wars is the predatory nature of capitalism


The First and Second World Wars were caused by the crisis of capitalism, the Western world, which is based on the constant expansion, development and plundering of someone else's energy, resources and space. When there are no new zones of “free hunting, for parasitism and robbery, there is a severe crisis. It is solved by organizing a big war. It will make it possible to destroy competitors, including those within the Western world, and to rob their wealth. Also, destroy the previous political system, states, infrastructure, in order to create a new order in place of the destroyed one.

Before World War I, the West was at such a dead end. Then the masters of England, France and the United States pitted the Russians and the Germans against each other (World War I - the treacherous war of Great Britain and the USA against Russia and Germany). As a result, the Germanic, Russian, Slavic (Balkans) and Islamic (Ottoman Empire) worlds were destroyed and plundered. The West, due to the inflow of gold, capital, raw materials, the seizure of foreign markets, crawled out of the crisis. The Anglo-Saxons crushed their main rival within Western civilization - Germany. However, Russia by some miracle was saved (the red project of the Bolsheviks).

Therefore, when a new stage of the crisis of capitalism began (the Great Depression), a new world massacre was organized. The Anglo-Saxons prepared, financed and armed the Hitler project (Who brought Hitler to power; Hitler was only a tool to crush the USSR). The simple-minded Germans were once again set against the Russians. Even earlier, fascist Italy was created in Europe as a future hotbed of war. In the Far East, the United States and England have long fostered militaristic Japan, directed against China and Russia.

In general, the Second World War had to solve several important tasks:

1. Destroy Soviet civilization as the main threat to the West. As an alternative vision of the future of humanity. As a society of knowledge, service and creation, which in the future completely buried the slave-owning model of the West. With the hands of Hitler, finally solve the “Russian question: destroy most of the Russian superethnos, enslave the rest, with the complete elimination of the spiritual, cultural, educational and scientific and technical potential of the Russians.

2. Defeat Germany, weakened after the war with the Russians: dismember and occupy. First, turn Europe into a battlefield, and after the war - into a completely dependent on the United States.

3. Defeat and subjugate Japan in the Asia-Pacific region.

4. Weaken the British Empire, ensure its transition to the position of a junior partner in the Anglo-Saxon tandem. Ensure the penetration of American capital into the British world.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 April 7 2021 15: 07
    +11
    Russophobia on the march
    Someone surprised ???
    Distortion of history does not lead to anything good ...
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 7 2021 16: 56
      -3
      Quote: rocket757
      Distortion of history

      A funny phrase in itself.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 7 2021 17: 43
        +3
        Is it not clear?
        And so, laughter prolongs life!
    2. cniza
      cniza April 7 2021 17: 14
      +5
      Quote: rocket757
      Russophobia on the march
      Someone surprised ???
      Distortion of history does not lead to anything good ...


      These are just flowers, so to speak, they are only at the beginning of the journey ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 7 2021 17: 47
        +4
        Unfortunately, a lot of information about the events that happened earlier was hushed up, distorted, consider that EVERYTHING !!!
        One can talk a lot about the motives of the persons in charge, but this does not negate the fact itself.
        1. cniza
          cniza April 7 2021 18: 39
          +3
          And now they will rush in a crowd and try to drive us in the mud to the maximum ...
          1. Alien From
            Alien From April 7 2021 23: 53
            +1
            Unfortunately, we are losing not a cold war, but an info war.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 April 8 2021 09: 14
              +1
              Okay, there are fewer resources outside, there are more restrictions ... BUT, the Soviet Union, and in the worst conditions, achieved noticeable success precisely because it was SUCH SOVIET SOCIALIST !!!
            2. cniza
              cniza April 8 2021 12: 01
              +4
              And the information war is part of the Cold War and perhaps the main one ...
        2. 210ox
          210ox April 7 2021 19: 16
          +2
          Well, they would have stood up for Hitler .... Blacks .., pah-African-Americans .. three times pah with their BLM would have been driven out .. They would have thought slavery would have seemed like paradise. About this Mr. and D. at Russophobia further in Lavrov.
    3. RealPilot
      RealPilot April 8 2021 05: 26
      +1
      Wow!
      Quite a sensible article. What I liked about her was the integrity, the scale of perception.

      Generalization is sometimes very useful for understanding essential things! And at some points with which historians can argue, the general vector of civilizational confrontation is described correctly.
    4. Sentinel-vs
      Sentinel-vs April 8 2021 07: 29
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      It’s very interesting for me to see how the history of literally the last century was perverted in the west. And already many representatives of young people are firmly convinced that the victims are in fact aggressors, that black is white, that what was fiction, and that fiction is considered true, etc.
      And this is about events that happened less than 100 years ago.
      And in this regard, thoughts arise, do sources inform us about the events of the 18th century, the 15th century, and even more so the 10th century, for example? I am very inclined to believe that at best 20% of the truth remains there. The era of Peter 1, the Tatar-Mongol yoke, the formation of Rurik ... How true are the events of those eras?
  2. paul3390
    paul3390 April 7 2021 15: 08
    +17
    1. Destroy Soviet civilization as the main threat to the West. As an alternative vision of the future of humanity. As a society of knowledge, service and creation, which in the future completely buried the slave-owning model of the West. With the hands of Hitler, finally solve the “Russian question: destroy most of the Russian superethnos, enslave the rest, with the complete elimination of the spiritual, cultural, educational and scientific and technical potential of the Russians.


    Excuse me - but isn't that exactly what happened in 1991? And continues to this day? Really - not by the hands of Hitler?
  3. Gato
    Gato April 7 2021 15: 09
    +3
    What a big surprise. laughing And we didn’t know who the modern west liked. Spiritual heirs, yes ...
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi April 7 2021 16: 05
      +5
      Quote: Gato
      What a big surprise. laughing And we didn’t know who the modern west liked. Spiritual heirs, yes ...

      Maybe you shouldn't generalize? Well, I wrote a book of some fascist. Well, it came out with a circulation of 1000 copies at his expense. And what does this reflect the worldview of the majority?
      1. Gato
        Gato April 7 2021 17: 12
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        And what does this reflect the worldview of the majority?

        The majority in the West are indifferent to Russia's politics and they do not read such books (or do not read any at all). Most are not involved in decision making. Then who imposes sanctions and considers the Russian Federation enemy number 1? Who prints these books and feeds their authors?
      2. ee2100
        ee2100 April 7 2021 17: 17
        +5
        100% join. You don't need to react like that to anyone. The dog barks - the caravan is coming!
        Maybe the author has read this opus, but to do this such advertising is somehow not comme il faut.
      3. 210ox
        210ox April 7 2021 19: 18
        +1
        Majority or minority .. A small lie gives birth to a big one with all the consequences.
      4. Revolver
        Revolver April 8 2021 04: 55
        +1
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Maybe you shouldn't generalize? Well, I wrote a book of some fascist. Well, it came out with a circulation of 1000 copies at his expense. And what does this reflect the worldview of the majority?

        Come on, here in the Slavic world has its own troubles. The fact that 404 is glorified in the country 14. SS-Freiwilligen Division "Galizien", better known on this site as Galicia, cannot be forgiven, but at least you can understand. And the fact that Mer3avts with swastikas are walking around Moscow and St. Petersburg, betraying the memory of their own grandfathers and great-grandfathers - how to understand? But nevertheless, under the current authorities, it is forgiven. And under that damned, anti-popular Soviet power, its servants, the cops, took them away and dealt with them.
  4. Gato
    Gato April 7 2021 15: 12
    +4
    By the way, according to the goals of WW2 listed by the authors: all points have been fulfilled, except for 1. But they are working on it, and not without success.
  5. aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 April 7 2021 15: 16
    -3
    This, by chance, is not from the mountain snake: "here RUSSIA, here it smells of RUSSIA" ... not mattress mats ...
  6. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 7 2021 15: 21
    +1
    Clear. With a loud slap on the floor of the abortion clinic, another propaganda campaign from the Samsonov artel fell out.
    Tags do not change:
    Russophobia

    fed and nurtured Hitler

    Anglo-Saxons

    rewrote history

    and all the rest of the porridge in the same spirit. And the "Russian superethnos".
    Samsonov needs a denyuzhku podzashib for tire fitting? Or is it just a seasonal flare-up?
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 April 7 2021 15: 32
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      Hmm .. Tell me - and the famous naked boar Y, cursed as it is known by Saint Mika - is not your distant ancestor? wink The description is painfully similar: laughing

      "Dwells in the Hiccuping Forest. Ferocious, in an angry state growls loudly, in a calmer state - sometimes he makes muttering sounds. Impervious to iron, but easily pierced by bone"
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 7 2021 15: 55
        +5
        I don’t know, we need to shake the family tree, maybe the boar will fall out. Come see, we'll scare you hiccups. hi
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  7. Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 April 7 2021 15: 29
    -5
    Next time - Reichstag Demolish the area in front of it, and everything around - asphalt or sprinkle with salt so that the grass does not grow! No More Signatures on the Reichstag! Evil Must Be Uprooted With Hot Iron!
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 7 2021 15: 53
      +3
      Quote: Yuriy71
      Next time - Reichstag Demolish the area in front of it, and everything around - asphalt or sprinkle with salt so that the grass does not grow!

      Salt, asphalt ... Some kind of you, "we can repeaters" without imagination. Cesium-137 and strontium-90 are the best ways to keep the grass from sprouting. laughing
  8. knn54
    knn54 April 7 2021 15: 36
    -6
    I would put the replacement of gold with the dollar in the first place. In WWI this did not work out - the dollar did not become the world currency.
    And the creation of the state of Israel. Voluntarily the Jews, who were quite comfortable in Europe, well, not as they did not want to go to Palestine.
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine April 7 2021 22: 58
      +5
      What an interesting statement. And this is not Britain, which was given a mandate for Palestine "to equip the national home of the Jewish people" this very Palestine first of all protected from the Jews, and then even distributed parts to its Arab friends?
  9. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st April 7 2021 15: 45
    +2
    Churchill and Roosevelt were much more cunning than Sean McMeekin, they pitted Germany and the USSR, weakened them as much as possible, and then came to share the pie. Harry Truman summed up all the politics of the West very well:
    If we see that Germany is winning the war, we should help Russia, if there is Russia, we should help Germany, and let them kill each other as much as possible.
    1. Hagen
      Hagen April 7 2021 19: 53
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      Quote: Trapp1st
      Churchill and Roosevelt were much more cunning than Sean McMeekin, they pitted Germany and the USSR

      Joseph Stalin, who signed a non-aggression pact with Germany, turned out to be more cunning than them. After that, Hitler, whom Chamberlain wanted to use "in the dark", turned to France a month before she, together with England, in a desire to push Hitler to the USSR, planned a large raid on the Azerbaijani oil fields, which would have bled our aviation and armored and other equipment for at least the whole summer. Hitler did not know this, and at the same time he did not trust France very much. And therefore he was afraid to turn his back on her. He assumed, and not unreasonably, that as soon as the Wehrmacht got bogged down in battles with the USSR, the Anglo-French coalition would hit him in a weak spot. The British, in principle, knew that if the agreement on security in Europe between France, Britain and the USSR was not signed, Stalin would sign an agreement with Germany. But they hoped that they could endlessly drag out the time during which Germany would start a war against Poland, and then, as if in one breath, the war would pass into the territory of the USSR. So that the war between Hitler and Poland did not break down, England once again reassured the Poles with a guarantee from its side. Stupid Beck did not realize that guarantees without a detailed military plan cost less than toilet paper, and therefore rested on his ambitions to the last. The war began strictly according to England's plan, but the Poles simply fell apart unexpectedly quickly. And Stalin jumped off the hook of the empty promises of the British and made an agreement with the Germans. It is because of this cunning move that the West hates Stalin. He "made" them like the last suckers. Despite the fact that he even contrived (well, such circumstances developed as a result of the M / R pact) that the British themselves came under Hitler's blow and miraculously survived (and in fact there even eggs were sold on ration cards laughing ). They will never forget this and will never forgive us.
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine April 7 2021 23: 00
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        Quote: Hagen
        turned to France a month before she, together with England, in a desire to push Hitler to the USSR,

        And this was not at a time when the relations of the Reich with Romania were so-so, but Comrade. Stalin drove oil to the Reich, don't you remember?
        1. Hagen
          Hagen April 8 2021 07: 18
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          Quote: Cherry Nine
          And this was not at a time when the relations of the Reich with Romania were so-so, but Comrade. Stalin drove oil to the Reich, don't you remember?

          The USSR has been selling oil to Germany, among other countries, since 1929. Specifically for 1940:
          Germany bought oil in 1940 - 654 tons - from the USSR, 000 tons - from Romania, 1 - its own production with Austria. Plus, there were purchases in Spain, France, etc. As you can see, the USSR was not the main supplier of oil even during the trade agreement.
      2. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st April 8 2021 09: 56
        +3
        Controversial, especially the role of the victim of one of the leading European countries in the interwar period - Poland.
    2. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine April 7 2021 22: 58
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      Quote: Trapp1st
      If we see that Germany is winning the war, we should help Russia, if there is Russia, we should help Germany, and let them kill each other as much as possible.

      Why didn't they help Germany?
      1. Trapp1st
        Trapp1st April 8 2021 09: 44
        +2
        Why didn't they help Germany?
        Firstly, they helped from 20, otherwise there would be no Reich, the supply of raw materials and equipment ended only before the Allies landed in Normandy, this is 44 years for a second, you know, business, secondly, Germany won the war, so military convoys went to the USSR, so that this war does not end with a quick victory of one of the parties with minimal damage.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine April 8 2021 09: 54
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          Quote: Trapp1st
          helped from 20 otherwise there would be no Reich

          Really? Do you have any complaints about the world capitalist system or what? Let me remind you that the Americans, not like in the Reich, built factories in the USSR. That's where you ask, "Stupidity or treason?"
          Quote: Trapp1st
          supplies of raw materials and equipment ended only before the Allied landings in Normandy

          You're lying. The British secured the blockade immediately.
          Quote: Trapp1st
          secondly, Germany won the war, so military convoys went to the USSR,

          In the 43rd, no longer. In the fall of 44, when, say, Harriman or Churchill it was already quite obvious that something was very wrong with the USSR, they tried to convey to Roosevelt the need to stop aid to the USSR, but this idea was blocked by friends of the USSR from the State Department. LL in 44-45 years maximum.
          And Roosevelt himself was increasingly losing touch with reality.
          1. Trapp1st
            Trapp1st April 8 2021 10: 04
            +4
            Do you have any complaints about the world capitalist system or what?
            Yes
            You're lying. The British secured the blockade immediately.
            The British are not Americans, they had their own showdowns there, Germany received the last shipment of oil from America at 44!
            In 43, no longer.
            1943 it was not clear when Germany would end, but the fact that her end was already clear.
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine April 8 2021 10: 15
              +2
              Quote: Trapp1st
              Germany received the last shipment of oil from America at 44!

              Lying, he said. There has been no supply of oil from America to the Reich since 39. Except for smuggling, blockade-breakers, all this Jules Verne.
              Quote: Trapp1st
              1943 it was not clear when Germany would end, but the fact that her end was already clear.

              It's time to throw some wood in order to exterminate more Bolsheviks. Forgot your first thesis?
              1. Trapp1st
                Trapp1st April 8 2021 10: 25
                +1
                Lying, he said. There has been no supply of oil from America to the Reich since 39. Except for smuggling, blockade-breakers, all this Jules Verne.
                Well, there are a lot of people who say something, mainly with a desire to format reality for themselves. hi
                The supply of American oil and gasoline to the Nazis continued until 1944. It got to the point of absurdity - Standard Oil deliveries to Spain (a staging post - Franco was quite calm about German agents in his country) exceeded domestic oil sales in the States themselves!
                It's time to throw some wood in order to exterminate more Bolsheviks.
                So they tormented them for another year, until the pie was already burnt to share.
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine April 8 2021 10: 31
                  +2
                  Quote: Trapp1st
                  It got to the point of absurdity - Standard Oil deliveries to Spain (a staging point - Franco was quite calm about German agents in his country) exceeded domestic oil sales in the States themselves!

                  Lying not at all embarrassed.
                  Oil supplies to Spain were carried out at the British request and under British control. Payment for the defense of Gibraltar from the Germans. Yes, Franco defended Gibraltar from the Germans, if you don't know. Naturally, Franco was not allowed to have free leftovers for sale to German friends whenever possible.
                  Quote: Trapp1st
                  So they plagued for another year

                  Something badly harassed. Soviet aid only grew, and aid to the Reich was brought in by Spaats and Harris.
                  1. Trapp1st
                    Trapp1st April 8 2021 10: 40
                    +3
                    Lying not at all embarrassed.
                    Don't quarrel with reality. wink
                  2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 8 2021 10: 41
                    -3
                    Quote: Cherry Nine
                    Lying not at all embarrassed.

                    He can, he is from the sect of the Priest Hayem.
                    1. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine April 8 2021 10: 43
                      +1
                      It seems like representing Spain as the main sales market for Exon - this is something new, I have not seen anything like this before.
                      1. Trapp1st
                        Trapp1st April 8 2021 11: 03
                        +2
                        It seems like representing Spain as the main sales market for Exon - this is something new, I have not seen anything like this before.
                        in 1944 Germany received 48 thousand tons of American oil and 1100 tons of tungsten a month through Franco's Spain. In addition to trading, Western companies owned hefty property in Germany: the size of American investments in Nazi Germany at the time of the events in Pearl Harbor amounted to approximately $ 475 million. Standard Oil's investment was estimated at $ 120 million; General Motors - $ 35 million; ITT - $ 30 million; Ford - $ 17,5 million.
                        Well, just a colorful photo, for attentiveness))
                      2. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine April 8 2021 11: 38
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                        Quote: Trapp1st
                        in 1944 Germany received 48 thousand tons of American oil and 1100 tons of tungsten each month through Franco's Spain

                        But this nonsense is not yours, but Hayam's. In reality, the Germans received 3 thousand tons of tungsten from Spain in 42-44 years, and the whole supply of oil and oil products to Spain in 6 months 44 years - 100 thousand tons. At the pre-war level of Spanish consumption itself, 50 thousand tons per month. The Americans really didn’t like that Spanish tungsten was being fired at their tanks, and in 44 they badly pinched the caudillo testicles. Vinnie had to fit in, the complete blockade of Spain was not in British interests.
                        Quote: Trapp1st
                        contributions to Nazi Germany at the time of Pearl Harbor were approximately $ 475 million

                        So what? It's a lot? Less than 5% of the Soviet Lend-Lease.
                        Quote: Trapp1st
                        Well, just a colorful photo

                        And what should interest me there? The Royal Dutch Oils company sign?
            2. Pensive Lawyer
              Pensive Lawyer April 9 2021 13: 25
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              He forgot to mention in his thesis that these words were spoken BEFORE World War II, when it was planned to play us off with Germany, without entering the war themselves and remaining a neutral side.
              Therefore, they did not help Germany in 43 and further, because it did not work out to stay on the sidelines - they were already involved in the war before us by Germany itself.
          2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 8 2021 10: 42
            +1
            Quote: Trapp1st
            Germany received the last shipment of oil from America at 44!

            Lord, how long can you drag this idiotism from under Hayem back and forth.
            1. Korax71
              Korax71 April 8 2021 23: 51
              +2
              you can before greening hi it's just very convenient to believe that the whole world is against us and that's all wassat in general, this is a normal phenomenon in the vastness of the domestic tyrnet: to choose some Western bastard, whom they regard as flawed in their homeland, and refer to him with a serious mine, and the authenticity of the data that these alternative characters scurry about in their "works" is beyond doubt I would not be surprised if someday an opus appears like: the insidious mattress-coders used the Reptilians to incite Hitler, to attack the USSR, to rule the galaxy themselves wassat
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty April 7 2021 15: 46
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    Such books appear because we are silent! In Soviet times, many books were published about the war, about our contribution to the Victory. The history of the USSR was taught at school, then the time of anarchy came, and from the people they began to massively raise Ivanov, no kinship was remembered. So that time hung, no one needs anything, the authorities curry favor with the West, allowing them to rewrite history in their own way. Where are our historians? Where is our counterpropagating wave meeting, where are the claims for clevette, for falsifications? One REAL film about the last war without lies and beauty was created, and then with the money raised by the people "28 Panfilovs"! The rest are fairy tales about the war! Therefore, they write a lie that we ourselves, starting with the power of the country, allow us to distort history.
    1. apro
      apro April 7 2021 16: 01
      +5
      Quote: Thrifty
      Such books appear because we are silent!

      Why are we silent ... very much not even silent. The Soviet project in the Russian Federation is sown with mud worse than in the West. And books and films and the president’s appearance and opposition with him for one thing. For every taste.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 7 2021 16: 07
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        Quote: apro
        expelling the president

        laughing
        not bad, not bad...
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 7 2021 16: 18
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      Quote: Thrifty
      In Soviet times, many books were published about the war, about our contribution to the Victory.

      And how many of them were of real literary value?
      In general, the active and disruptive exploitation of the military theme leads, sadly, to the opposite effect. And, of course, to the inevitable crisis of the genre.
      Quote: Thrifty
      "28 Panfilovites"

      This is not a movie, this is a reconstruction. I am reviewing and will continue to review "War as in War", but "Panfilov's men" - there is no desire.
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty April 7 2021 16: 42
        +1
        Paragraph hi and what "White Tiger" can be attributed to the category of historical films? How many quasi-Odevrov have now been created about that war, which should be viewed only as a punishment, by a court verdict? ?? Soviet films then contained an element of historicity, and modern ones - military science fiction, self-PR of the scriptwriters and those who had the misfortune to play them!
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 7 2021 16: 52
          -1
          Quote: Thrifty
          and what "White Tiger" can be attributed to the category of historical films?

          and who said that this is a historical film?
      2. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic April 7 2021 16: 47
        +1
        And how many of them were of real literary value?

        And what is real literary value? Quite a "relative" criterion, as for me. Maybe for literary gourmets some "Two in the Steppe" has no literary value. But, for me personally, this is the correct story of the war. And so, probably, for everyone.
        I am reviewing and will continue to review "War as in War", but "Panfilov's men" - there is no desire.

        I share your position.
        I have some sort of, probably, a strange personal rating. First place for "Soldier's Father". There is no war there, as in others, and from the standpoint of modern pragmatic cynicism or "authentic historicism" it probably seems unnatural. But it takes a lot for the soul. And the hardest one is "Come and see".
  • Jaromir
    Jaromir April 7 2021 16: 15
    +3
    American revisionist historian Sean McMeekin

    Historian. He is not a historian. Kukluklan transvestite.
    They take revenge on the pages of history textbooks, humiliate Russia and Russians. They tarnish our heroic past.

    Following the rewriting of history, they will want to start a new crusade against Russia. They forgot the words of Alexander Nevsky:
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 7 2021 16: 25
      +1
      Quote: Jaromir
      They forgot the words of Alexander Nevsky

      Comrade Nevsky simply translated into the language of native aspens the old Latin proverb Qui gladio ferit, gladio perit - whoever fights with a sword dies from the sword. laughing
      1. ccsr
        ccsr April 7 2021 17: 41
        -2
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Comrade Nevsky simply translated into the language of native aspens the old Latin proverb Qui gladio ferit, gladio perit - whoever fights with a sword dies from the sword.

        Actually, this is distorted, because Nevsky did not highlight the general meaning of the Latin phrase, but specifically the words about our Motherland, as it sounds in the film:
        «Who will come to us with a sword, by the sword and perish! "

        The Latin phrase is also quite suitable for any mercenary who does not care about his homeland at all, because he fights for money, as they say, feel the difference in understanding the words of Nevsky from the point of view of a Russian person.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 7 2021 17: 46
          -1
          Oh, yes ... Pavlenko and Eisenstein put a powerful phrase in the mouth of the actor Cherkasov)
          1. Beringovsky
            Beringovsky April 7 2021 22: 45
            -2
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Oh, yes ... Pavlenko and Eisenstein put a powerful phrase in the mouth of the actor Cherkasov)

            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Comrade Nevsky simply translated into the language of native aspens the old Latin proverb Qui gladio ferit, gladio perit - whoever fights with a sword dies from the sword. laughing

            So all the same, Alexander translated or Eisenstein OWNED? I would like to be clear on such an important issue. hi
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 April 7 2021 17: 06
      0
      They forgot the words of Alexander Nevsky:

      Whoever comes to us with a sword - he immediately shouts and gets .. wink
  • alekSASHKA-36
    alekSASHKA-36 April 7 2021 16: 15
    +1
    Innocent Germans? Are they really so simple-minded?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 7 2021 17: 04
      +3
      Quote: alekSASHKA-36
      Innocent Germans? Are they really so simple-minded?

      Whoever thinks so, let them visit Auschwitz and the Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum in Jerusalem.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 7 2021 16: 27
    -1
    Fu. A mixture of blonde and conspiracy theories.
    all these theses have been talking, often unfounded, for many, many decades ...
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 7 2021 17: 07
      +1
      Quote: Max1995
      Fu. A mixture of blonde and conspiracy theories.

      yes no, elementary Samsonism. Severe cognitive impairment.
  • alekSASHKA-36
    alekSASHKA-36 April 7 2021 16: 46
    +1
    Innocent Germans? Are they really so simple-minded?
  • Split
    Split April 7 2021 17: 00
    0
    I remember at the time of the intervention, the western landing in the sea was thrown off almost by women with pitchforks good They did not have any more desire - you cannot rewrite history, although they are trying hard negative
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 7 2021 17: 01
    +3
    Russia is no longer considered the liberator of Europe. Moreover, in the Baltics, Ukraine, Georgia, Poland, the Czech Republic and many other countries, Russians are considered "occupiers" and "rapists." Stalin was put on a par with Hitler, and communism with Nazism.

    Here I disagree.
    We believe that beautiful, civilized Europe suffered under the yoke of Nazism, and supposedly now condemns it. And we believe that we should be ashamed in front of Europe for Stalin, for the Gulag and that this is the most terrible atrocity of mankind. Europe, however, never wanted to be liberated and denazified, and we believe that the greatest evil is Nazism, but Europe does not think so. And she doesn't care how many millions of our fathers, grandfathers and brothers died for her release.
    Take the same USA that hosted former Nazis, Bandera and Japanese criminals, and at the same time looked for supporters of communist ideas in the era of "McCarthyism".
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA April 7 2021 17: 54
      +2
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Take the same USA that hosted former Nazis, Bandera and Japanese criminals

      Not just accepted and not just Nazis. Here is a member of the NSDAP since 1937 and an SS Sturmbannfuehrer - in company with JFK: smile
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine April 7 2021 23: 21
        +3
        Gustav Hertz, Nobel Prize 1925, Stalin Prize 1951.

        Nikolaus Riehl, Hero of Labor, Order of Lenin, Stalin Prize, all - 1949 guess what.


        So what about the Sturbannfuehrer?
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 8 2021 08: 44
          0
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          So what about the Sturbannfuehrer?

          You are confusing "God's gift with scrambled eggs". In the USSR, these specialists were taken out and worked, but were sent home to Vaterlyand. And the Sturmbannfuehrer voluntarily expressed a desire to work for the United States and lived there until his death.
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine April 8 2021 09: 42
            +2
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Sturmbannführer voluntarily expressed a desire to work for the United States and lived there until his death.

            That is, in the case of the Sturbanfuehrer, the usual emigration took place, and in the case of the Soviet Nobel laureates, the hijacking of the population for military work, by analogy with the Todt organization. Except for the fact that the Germans drove away the population from the occupied territories in wartime, and the USSR in peacetime. One more nuance, Todt's organization did not have the opportunity to hijack the Soviet Nobel laureates due to their absence. Was limited to laborers.

            You are right, it is. And the question is what?
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine April 8 2021 10: 07
              0
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              and in the case of the Soviet Nobel laureates, the hijacking of the population for military work, by analogy with the Todt organization.

              With one difference, Todt's organization was swollen from hunger, and in the USSR these workers received salaries several orders of magnitude higher than Soviet scientists.
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine April 8 2021 10: 16
                0
                Quote: tihonmarine
                With one difference, Todt's organization was swollen from hunger, and in the USSR these workers received salaries several orders of magnitude higher than Soviet scientists.

                What's the difference? Are you going to measure ration with the fascists? It's fine.
                Let me remind you that Herr Vlasov, a former comrade, did not seem to complain about soldering either.
        2. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA April 8 2021 16: 29
          0
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          Gustav Hertz, Nobel Prize 1925, Stalin Prize 1951.

          Quote: Cherry Nine
          Nikolaus Riehl, Hero of Labor, Order of Lenin, Stalin Prize, all - 1949 guess what.

          And in what year did these scientists join the NSDAP and the SS? It was about cooperation with the Nazis and the SS. wink
      2. Iris
        Iris April 8 2021 01: 46
        +4
        Come on ! With such a person as von Braun, we would gladly cooperate if we got there before the Americans - no joke, the designer of the world's first serial ICBM!
        And the villa would be specially built for him, and would be fed, as a member of the government, and the Stalin Prize, and other regalia. And his rank in the SS and membership in the NSDAP would be recognized as a forced disguise of an old friend of the Soviet Union.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 8 2021 10: 17
          +1
          Quote: Iris
          With such a man as von Braun, we would also gladly cooperate if we got there before the Americans - no joke, the designer of the world's first serial ICBM!

          Yes, he did not create it alone, but a large group of designers, the idea of ​​course von Braun is the technical director of the A-4 project. Klaus Riedel is the first rocket theorist, and Helmut Grettrup is the deputy head of the telemetry department, but it is better to read the memoirs of General Walter Dornberger, who was the military leader of the Peenemünde-Vostok test base, which included rocket research centers numbered 10 and 11.
          By the way, he also worked later in the United States and was one of the founders of the US missile defense and reusable missile systems (space shuttles).
          1. Iris
            Iris April 8 2021 21: 58
            +1
            Thanks for the recommendation, I will definitely find this book.
    2. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine April 7 2021 23: 10
      -2
      Quote: tihonmarine
      civilized Europe suffered under the yoke of Nazism, and supposedly now condemns it.

      Who is how.
      Quote: tihonmarine
      we believe that we should be ashamed in front of Europe for Stalin, for the Gulag and that this is the most terrible atrocity of mankind

      Before Europe? Europe was not so badly affected by these events.
      Quote: tihonmarine
      we believe that the greatest evil is Nazism, but Europe does not think so

      Doesn't count. Well, except that the Germans, until recently, it was fashionable to repent, but the fashion is passing. Merkel, by the way, could have finished it altogether - she personally did not find Hitler, but she spent most of her life under Soviet occupation - but, alas, she was not a person of that plan.
      Quote: tihonmarine
      she does not care how many millions of our fathers, grandfathers and brothers were killed for her release.

      1. It doesn't matter.
      2. "Liberation" is called only in Russian.
      About the "Soviet occupation" of the Baltic States, Bessarabia and Western Belarus, and Ukraine. About Stalin's "criminal war" against Finland. How Hitler and Stalin "jointly" destroyed the Polish state, and much more.

      Quote: tihonmarine
      Take the same USA that hosted former Nazis, Bandera and Japanese criminals, and at the same time looked for supporters of communist ideas in the era of "McCarthyism".

      Yes. Since the "supporters of communist ideas" were the enemies of America (and remain them now), and the National Socialists are the enemies of America only in their socialist part, which somehow faded into the background. As for the Bandera and Japanese criminals, they have nothing to share with the Americans.
    3. oracul
      oracul April 8 2021 07: 19
      -1
      Who is this "we believe"? If it were not for the constant attempts to destroy the USSR as a bulwark of socialism and a threat to imperialism, there would be no Gulag, Stalin would not have to uproot the "fifth column". We have nothing to be ashamed of because our cause was right. Let the Russophobes of Europe and America be ashamed of their desires to destroy Russia, but this cannot be expected.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 8 2021 10: 41
        0
        Quote: oracul
        Who is this "we believe"?

        Yes, we have "who thinks so." If they were not there, then J.V. Stalin would have been lying in the Mausoleum, and monuments to Stalin would have stood, and the Mausoleum would not have been draped on Victory Day.
  • cniza
    cniza April 7 2021 17: 12
    +2
    In general, the Second World War had to solve several important tasks:


    For the United States, they successfully completed all the tasks, except for Russia ...
  • ivan2022
    ivan2022 April 7 2021 18: 17
    -2
    I used to think that teaching all politicians, tsars, general secretaries and presidents of previous centuries how they should have been governed is a leap at the level of an ordinary commentator from VO. And here you are! Author of books and even professor of history ...

    The professor naively thinks that the West has always been something one in the past ...
    The West to this day has just become one precisely because, first of all, the Old World and the USSR collided in a gigantic war. If the USSR had lost the war in 1942, it remains to be seen what old man Aloizych would have done with Roosevelt and Churchill after such a war ... Although in this case the West would have become one. True, in this case, poor SEAN would not have been born in 1974 in Idaho.
    And so - what a clever girl who grew up!
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart April 7 2021 18: 54
    +2
    Gentlemen, we are discussing nonsense))) Any person who sighs about "oh, what a pity that Hiteler did not unite with the United States and Britain" is not particularly catching up - but in fact, against whom should this union be? Against the USSR, seriously?) The British Empire at that time had access to all the raw materials it was interested in and minimal problems with its production and transportation by sea - why would they get involved in this adventure? There is no benefit here. At that point in time, the United States generally adhered to isolationist tendencies - above and below them there was a sufficient "pantry of the sun" if they suddenly needed resources. And there would be much less problems.
    Do not overestimate the pre-war USSR - we had not yet had an oil and gas boom, the second five-year plan had just ended and food supply issues were far from ideal - the country was poor, militarized and damn vast with its difficult land relief, terrible climate and roads. Figuratively speaking, the countries of developed capitalism would have nothing to take except for a portion of hemorrhoids. Except Germany.
    By the way, Hitler began singing about bloodsuckers-plutocrats from the same time as he began to hate Jews and communists - bloodsuckers-plutocrats were also not particularly eager to get involved with him, especially since there were many in the financial and political environment of the USA / WB people of Jewish nationality, whom Adolf Aloizovich would not be doubly sympathetic to.
    But, suppose that such a "union" would have a hypothetical piece sweeter than the USSR - for example .. for example what? Post-Attaturk Turkey pressed to the nail? Iran in the Middle Ages? Colonial empires were already overwhelmed with logistics and the protection of their wealth - BB2 showed this very well. Britain no longer really needed to pull something away from these territories. The United States preferred economic or commercial enslavement to the prospect of keeping troops and fighting the rebels across the seas. Both those and others lived much better than pre-war Germany - much more satisfying and spacious. And their capital had room to grow. As the saying goes, a full hungry person does not understand. And then, what kind of union with the West could there be if the West and Western capitalists were called by Hitler the main stranglers of the Reich? Was it not their countries that sucked reparations from Germany and humiliated her?
    1. Beringovsky
      Beringovsky April 7 2021 22: 58
      +1
      We are discussing trends. Rezun's opuses would also seem to be nonsense, but they played their part.
      And modern cinema generally makes idiots out of people who are ready to believe in any nonsense.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart April 7 2021 23: 27
        +1
        Yes damn what tendencies))) It's like guessing over the text that a monkey has typed on a typewriter and looking for the code of life or ancient truths in it))
        If there is even a microscopic rational grain in the views of Suvorov-Rezun, holding on to the postulates of hypermilitarization and the not particularly hidden original plans of the Bolsheviks, then there is nothing rational at all, Hitler's Germany could not be in the same bloc with Great Britain in principle, GG was already quite traditional for herself an enemy after the First World War, from which the victorious powers of that time squeezed out the already not very large colonies. They zagrebli for themselves, as they say, and if the Japanese could "chew" it, given their impractical range, then chewing the WB or France was not comme il faut at all. There is even nothing to discuss, I do not seriously understand, on the basis of what did the people write the book then?) There is really 0 factual material or prerequisites - well, yes, there were sympathies for Hitler and Nazism - both in the USA and in the World Bank, well, there are sympathies for Communism was, so, now there is sympathy for tolerance of all forms, then something else will be - there by nature, addicted people live. There are these hobbies, and there is a real politician - the division of money and influence - and here Adolf Aloizovich would have had a good deal, he would have chewed on some continental expansion - in the end, the World Bank considered (I suppose) part of the territories of the deceased Austria-Hungary as a kind of "unpleasant zone of influence", like the former Soviet republics in relation to modern Russia. And in this regard, yes, they could "chew" some Czechoslovakia or Austria, or even, perhaps, part of other territories of Austria-Hungary - because they understood that this was all a zone of strong German influence (potentially) and working against means spending resources for air. But outside the borders of some of the territories of AB, their perception of German ambitions ended - there were already British and French ambitions. Well, for Hitler, of course, this would not have been enough - he did not hide it. So there could be no question of any "alliance" - with Italy, but it worked out (unfortunately, rather), with Spain it could have worked out, with Turkey. Without a close post-war link between the World Bank and France - purely hypothetically it could surely add up to France. But definitely not with the United States and definitely not with Britain. They had their own vision of the architecture of the world and a mustachioed skinny corporal pushing incendiary speeches there would not be integrated in any way.
  • smaug78
    smaug78 April 7 2021 19: 16
    +2
    Again Samsonov ran out of pills ... We are waiting for the next portion of lies from Frolova and further down the list laughing
  • Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 April 7 2021 20: 38
    -2
    Well Duc after the release of this opus, maybe it makes sense to roll out the so-called "allies" to present?
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner April 7 2021 21: 11
    -1
    What do you mean should have? The West also took the Hitlerite side. Whose bones do not lie in our land. The entire EU is well represented.
  • 3danimal
    3danimal April 7 2021 21: 29
    +2
    The author forgot about the creation of the United States by Jews and Freemasons, which was planned 2000 (5, 10 thousand) years ago laughing negative
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine April 7 2021 23: 26
    +1
    To be honest, I did not quite understand the mood of the maestro (not that maestro, Samsonov).

    He always wrote that Britain and the United States were internal enemies of the Soviet regime, and their war with Hitler was a misunderstanding. I have always supported him as best I could. I am always for the truth.
    And then some person writes the same thing in English, and Mr. Samsonov scolds him as a revisionist. How so?
  • Decimalegio
    Decimalegio April 8 2021 00: 17
    0
    This is the essence of democracy: if an American author can write a bunch of nonsense that represents only his opinion, and not the opinion of the Western world, then a Russian author can also respond with another bunch of equally valuable nonsense, which, I hope, will only represent his opinion. and not all Russians. As for Saint Joseph Stalin, we all expect that he will be added to the martyrology of the Orthodox Church with an attached icon.
  • bandabas
    bandabas April 8 2021 00: 50
    -1
    Nothing wrong. Afro-shakers and afroukry will appear. New nations.
  • Iris
    Iris April 8 2021 01: 49
    +3
    Rewriting history is unpleasant. But a particular disgust arises when history is rewritten under the banner of combating the distortion of history. Here's how in this article.
  • oracul
    oracul April 8 2021 07: 05
    -2
    This is not the first and not the last attempt by Russophobic historians to ascribe aggressive strivings to Stalin, with the aim of a world proletarian revolution. And this is a lie, because he defended the possibility of building socialism in one country. The USA and England were close to achieving their goals, but the USSR emerged from the war stronger, despite the colossal losses and damage. Hence the attempts to resolve the "Russian question" and the fear of losing everything.
  • magdama
    magdama April 8 2021 07: 16
    -2
    I admire the Anglo-Saxons. They achieved ALL goals! In addition to the destruction of the USSR. This was done already in 91st. Now they began to gradually destroy the Russian world and the remnants of the USSR - Ukraine, Georgia, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova. The turn of Kazakhstan will come soon. The only comfort is that I won't see IT, God willing ...
  • Bogatyrev
    Bogatyrev April 8 2021 07: 19
    -1
    All this undoubtedly corresponds to THEIR logic - Hitler expressed the same ideas of racism, Eurocentrism and "civilization" that they themselves wore (albeit in a slightly different form). In fact, Hitler was himself a part of the West and had many supporters in all countries (at least until the height of the war from 1941).

    BUT the West could not unite with him in any way for the simple reason that Hitler is a dictator. And the West is a system of power of financial oligarchs under the guise of democracy. They cannot rule if the dictator seizes all power, it would be dangerous for them because the dictator could repress them by force with the help of the force apparatus (or like Mao Zedong through the Cultural Revolution).

    You will of course say that Hitler did not touch these circles at home - Krupp, Bosch, Quandt and others worked perfectly with his government. But I am sure that such a consensus was temporary. Sooner or later, the financial circles would come to a clash with the dictator, because the question would have arisen "who is in charge after all?" Both those and those were not ready to give up power. Therefore, a war was inevitable between Hitler and the "democratic" West. And it happened.
  • Mantykora
    Mantykora April 8 2021 09: 14
    -2
    Well, that is the greatness of Stalin, he made his enemies conditional friends. And Stalin's peacefulness in 1941 was calculated primarily on Roosevelt. Purely mathematically, the USSR would not have pulled a war with the whole world of capital. And the curtailment of the world revolution and the dissolution of the Comintern are all from this series. And as a result of the war, the West was forced to destroy its "Reich" project, and the British Empire was plucked in full - although they disguised themselves well (reformatted), because the monarch is still the head of the entire British Commonwealth. The British are not us, we did not destroy the country to its foundations ...
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 April 8 2021 09: 59
    +2
    Again, instead of real analysis of agitation. As all the scoundrels abruptly stirred up, everything was foreseen. And the fact that in 1940 -42 everything was hanging on snot? Did you figure this out too? Now everyone is strong in hindsight. Several if: 1. The USSR collapsed in 41, by the way, everyone in England and the United States was confident in just this option. After that, the Germans decide most of the issues of providing resources for the further conduct of the war. 2. The Germans in '41 are not rushing at full speed to Moscow, but stop at the positions of November? And in 42, having replenished the troops, in April they start a new company? 3. The Germans, having transferred several mobile units to the Middle East and carried out the brites from Egypt, break through to Iraq, Iran, etc. 4 is the USSR's way out of the war incredible? With today's knowledge - no, well, but in the reality of 42 years it no longer looks so incredible. 5. After the capture of the Middle East and the end of the carnage in the east, Britain begins to strangle. The smartest faces are usually with those who are going to do an enchanting stupidity or argue about how it should have been done. The USSR confused all the cards with the fact that it withstood a terrible onslaught in 41 and 42 years.
  • Per se.
    Per se. April 8 2021 10: 04
    -2
    The author takes a new step in the history of the falsification of the Second World War in the West: he directly reproaches the countries of the West for their wrong choice. Churchill and Roosevelt needed not to fight Hitler, but to unite with him and fight Stalin.
    The author, Sean McMeekin, is an eccentric with the letter "M" (as the hero of Shukshin said in "Kalina Krasnaya"). The West fed Hitler anyway, actually giving him Austria and Czechoslovakia, and, further, most of Europe, for the sake of creating an anti-USSR with the proper potential - the Third Reich.
    Further, the "strange war" on the one hand, and Hitler's order to stop the offensive for three days, on the other, which allowed the British troops to take their feet from Dunkirk (otherwise Britain would have remained in Europe without an army).

    Anglophile and protege of the West, Hitler, fulfilled his bloody order. "Sea Lion" was a screen, "Barbarossa" was the main task. The Anglo-Saxons raked up the heat with someone else's hands, letting the Germans "cannon fodder" against the main enemy of world capitalism - the USSR, earned colossal money in the world massacre, eventually gained world influence, becoming the sole leaders and masters of capitalism.
    England, and then the United States, is no stranger to fighting with someone else's hands, profiting from blood and world troubles.

    Apparently, the scandalous revisionist historian wanted to whitewash his masters, where the West allegedly had nothing in common with Hitler, and helped the USSR, not for the sake of money and for the Russians and Germans to "kill each other, as much as possible" (Harry Truman).
  • the same doctor
    the same doctor April 8 2021 11: 00
    -1
    Stalin's genius and luck - he managed to meet the war in the most advantageous strategic configuration. Let us be kicked for the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, but it allowed us to fight only against Germany and in alliance with the whole world, and not against the whole world and Germany together ...
    .
    The desire in the West to rethink the situation in their favor is also understandable. But we also need to abandon our delusions. Globally, the war was between the United States and Great Britain. The states raised two of their fighting hamsters in Europe: Germany and the USSR. If France had not fallen under the Germans so quickly, then the attacks of the Anglo-French on Baku and our entry into the war on the side of Germany would have been quite probable.
    However, France fell under Hitler, England fell under the States. The goals of the war were achieved by amers. Accordingly, the continuation of the war in the western direction became impossible for Germany. The question arose about the utilization of Germany's surplus potential. And the Germans were set against us. With all the scale and horror of the war after 1941, this is only an exaggerated, but globally insignificant episode of the Second World War.
    As soon as we get rid of children's egocentric ideas about ourselves and our place in World War II, it will immediately become easier for us to fight off the accusations of the West. We didn’t start the war, we didn’t fan it. We are small people, the big uncles in London and Washington are to blame for everything. And we are just victims in their showdown. We fought back and matured during the war, we are honored for that. We showed heroism, defended our homeland. But we are just a victim of the war, not its cause!
  • kytx
    kytx April 11 2021 11: 12
    0
    learned nothing new
    for the hundredth time scoring long known things
    article - pouring from empty to empty
    or rather just empty
    unnecessary noise on the air
  • Dimon-SPG
    Dimon-SPG April 13 2021 21: 49
    0
    Aren't we shyly closing the mausoleum? Are we extracting the words of Stalin, the Communist Party from victory, glossing over the red banners? Why blame the west when we ourselves are rewriting our history.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion April 14 2021 09: 07
    +1
    We have such a mannech that the world sleeps and sees how to destroy us. The problem is that Germany's victory over the USSR is no better for Great Britain and the United States.
  • abc_alex
    abc_alex Yesterday, 03: 16
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    Если автор считает, что Британии и США было выгоднее поддержать СССР, то он неуч, болван или просто idiот . Поскольку совершенно не понимает, какие возможности открывались перед Гитлерорм после разгрома СССР.
    Для начала решились бы три ресурсные проблемы рейха. Нефтяная, пищевая, алюминиевая. Последняя коренным образом изменила бы ситуацию в небе над Ла-маншем. И новая "битва за британию" окончилась бы для "союзников" разгромом. Поскольку получив советский авиапром, пусть несовершенный и проблемный, немцы получили бы промышленную базу авиации не доступную для ударов Британии. А сами, базируясь на побережье могли бы планомерно выносить британский авиапром шаг за шагом, объект за объектом.
    Кроме того, получив Николаевские верфи, Гитлер получал закрытую акваторию ЧМ для строительства и сосредоточения флота вторжения. Вывести его из ЧМ в Атлантику было бы задачей, но решаемой при условии если Гибралтар вернуть Испании.

    Но был у Гитлера способ и без этого превратить "Владычицу морей" в оборванную шлюху, просящую подаяния. Разгромив СССР, рейх получал выход на границу с Турцией. А турки и без этого были склонны к союзу с немцами. Только русских побаивались. А без русских, какие проблемы?
    А что такое Турция? Турция это сухопутный маршрут в Сирию, Ирак и Иран. Аравийский полуостров, Персидский залив, Средняя Азия. Без всяких проблем от британского флота. А теперь вспоминаем, как Роммель на итальянских танках гонял по пустыне британцев, и прикидываем судьбу британского контингента в этих местах, при условии, что у Роммеля появятся Тигры и Пантеры, а с воздуха его прикрываю ветераны люфтваффе на "худых" и "штуках". Но не это самое страшное. Самое страшное для Британии -- Иран. Поскольку Иран -- это Средняя Азия, а дальше по суше -- Китай. Либо Афганистан и Пакистан и дальше по суше куда? Правильно в Индию. И снова вне контроля британского флота! Сколько времени понадобилось бы Германии для прокладки дороги через эти страны? 5 лет? 7 лет? И весь колоссальный военный механизм вермахта либо, соединившись с Японией, с севера через Китай, либо прямо через Афганистан, вышвыривает британское сухопутное воинство из ключевых регионов британской Империи. И дальше пусть англичане тихо скулят на своих островах. Могут даже пометаться по Канаде и Австралии. Но без главных ресурсных регионов, Британской империи просто нет. Вы скажете флот? А что флот? Я повторяю, флот Германии строится в Чёрном море, контролирует средиземное и через Гибралтар выходит в Атлантику.

    Что же до США, то автор, как я понимаю, джае историю своей то страны знает исключительно по комиксам, кино и мультикам.
    Главной и основополагающей проблемой США в 30-е годы была колониальная система. Да, вот так! А кто-то думал, что британский административный контроль за рынками Китая и Индии приносил Штатам ежесекундную радость? Ничего подобного. Штаты были кровно заинтересованы в разрушении ограничительных систем колониального мира. Им нужны были рынки и сырьё. Поэтому "США и Британии" вот так, чтобы "братья навеки" и в помине не было. Кабы не Рузвельт лично, штатовцы и ленд-лизом бы не расщедрились.
    Но это -- интересы. А что грозило Штатам в результате разгрома СССР? Да ничего хорошего. Во-первых, кардинально изменилось бы положение Японии. Нефть СССР могла по Транссибу пойти в Китай. Вместе с продукцией немецкого военпрома. И я бы посмотрел как "героические" штатовские летуны, побомбили бы Токио.
    Во-вторых, рейх сожрав Евразию, по уровню самообеспеченности кратно превзошёл бы США. В распоряжении Гитлера кроме ресурсной базы России, Балкан, Средней Азии, Персидского залива, Северного Китая и Кореи, были бы промышленность Франции, Италии, Германии, СССР, ну и прочих европейских недоразумений типа Дании, Норвегии и прочих шведов.
    В такой ситуации обзавестись флотом вторжения было делом времени. И уже Штатовцы получили бы "проклятие двух океанов" были бы вынуждены одному мощному флоту врага противопоставлять два своих.
    Да, у США было Бомба. Но даже В-29 не долетел бы до территории рейха из США. А при условии наличия у немцев радаром приличной мощности и большого количество истребителей, шансов применить её у штатовцев скорее всего не было бы совсем.
    Ну а дальше всё могло быть печально. Вторжение немцев началось бы с Южной Америки, там создавалась бы территория для развёртывания. Флот США, конечно же пытался бы противостоять процессу, но немцы не уступали бы ни качественно, ни количественно. А дальше постепенно с юга на север и судьба Штатов решена. Поскольку теперь уже немцы разрушали бы инфраструктуру США, сами находясь в безопасности.