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"Who would have won the war between the armies of the USSR and modern Russia"

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If we talk about comparing the military power of different countries of the world, then they usually resort to the data voiced by the Swedish SIPRI Institute. He publishes statistics on the number of troops, one or another military equipment, including nuclear weapon, missile weapons, ground armored vehicles, Aviation, warships. In this regard, the expert community compares the armies of the world's leading military powers: Russia, the United States, China.


However, often the creative thought of individual representatives of the blogosphere is so unbridled that they are trying to compare not today's armies with today's (in different states), but armies with those that were in stories.

Of course, it does not reach the point of complete absurdity from the series "Who would have won the war: the army of Napoleon or the modern army of Russia". But there are publications from a quite comparable series.

So, on the network, on one of the YouTube channels, the author decided to sort out and “study” the following question: “What would happen if Stalin’s army met with Putin’s army?”, As well as “Who would have won the war between the armies of the USSR and modern Russia ".

The material tells about the military-industrial leap that the USSR experienced in the Stalin era, about the number tanks and other armored vehicles, on the number of intercontinental ballistic missiles, a comparison with the current Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is presented.

Material on the channel "Legend 2020":

Photos used:
VKontakte / Ministry of Defense of Russia
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  1. Vadim Golubkov
    Vadim Golubkov April 5 2021 13: 57
    +8
    There is a Japanese movie "Time Lapse". There, Japanese soldiers ended up in medieval Japan, they had to fight against armor, swords and bows. It seems that they were all killed there. Good movie. I watched for a long time.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 April 5 2021 13: 58
      +14
      For example, I vaguely imagine how I will fight against my grandfather.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding April 5 2021 14: 05
        +3
        Quote: NDR-791
        For example, I vaguely imagine how I will fight against my grandfather.

        when he was a kid, a former policeman lived in the village next to his grandfather and grandmother, who atoned for his sins before the Motherland.
        with these I fought in my imagination, reading books about partisans.
        1. Vadim Golubkov
          Vadim Golubkov April 5 2021 15: 48
          +3
          My mother told me that there was one Vlasovite in our village, he served time, came to the village to see his mother for three days and left, could not stay to live and look his fellow villagers in the eyes, although they talked to him, no one touched him.
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter April 5 2021 14: 25
        +2
        Quote: NDR-791
        For example, I vaguely imagine how I will fight against my grandfather.

        So the conversation is not about that. It compares two opposite systems of the USSR with Putinism, that's what we are talking about.
        And what concerns our Grandfathers, at best they would give us bream for pumping the country, and at worst ...
        1. Fitter65
          Fitter65 April 5 2021 15: 52
          +9
          Quote: Stroporez
          So the conversation is not about that. It compares two opposite systems of the USSR with Putinism, that's what we are talking about.

          The army of the times of the USSR was more morally and ideologically motivated, but on the other hand, how would I, who retired in 2015, fight with myself, who started serving in 1983? If, for example, before 2005, then I would have won the young. Then the equipment was newer and there were a lot of spare parts for it ... laughing It's just that back in 2005 I was subordinate to the R-409MA of 1980, the R-140m of the 85th, the R-845m of the 86th is the newest. in 2009, after the words of President Medvedev - we will equip our troops with new means of communication ... - 4 new R-140Ds came to our battalion based on the ZIL-157K, NZ was dispersed and we were given it ... laughing Of course, in recent years, we have changed a lot in the VVO, both the technique and the preparation of L / S, but there was no moral and ideological motivation. And no, I'm not lying, they are building a chapel over there in Khurba, last Saturday I noticed, as my colleagues say, we have a priest in the state. POP in AVIATION - damn it is not insanity, really terry degradation ... Well, on the other hand, why only one pop? Where is the mullah, the Buddhist lama - we have a lot of Buryats serving, well, and most importantly, where is the temple of the founders of Christianity, the Jews? According to the law, all religions are equal in our country ... In general, modern Russia, inspired by the black priests, will be able to defeat the USSR where the main god was literacy and science ...
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 April 5 2021 19: 10
            -4
            Quote: Fitter65
            POP in AVIATION - damn it is not insanity

            As you put it, priests have always had a respectful attitude in aviation.
            Quote: Fitter65
            In general, there modern Russia, inspired by the black priests, will be able to defeat the USSR where literacy and science were the main god ...

            Not quite so, the hallmark of the Soviet Army of the late USSR was: general drunkenness, nepotism, snitching, careerism, cronyism, idle chatter at all kinds of meetings, and so on.
            The main "god" of the Soviet Army was the political officer, and this ruined it.
            The result is known - with the collapse of the Union, everyone quietly huddled in their burrows.
            1. Fitter65
              Fitter65 April 6 2021 00: 01
              +3
              Quote: bober1982
              As you put it, priests have always had a respectful attitude in aviation.

              In my time, there were many more literate people in aviation and did not reach such insanity. Just in the light of recent decisions - the higher the boss, the more often he needs to turn to God ...
              Quote: bober1982
              rampant drunkenness, nepotism, snitching, careerism, cronyism, idle chatter at all kinds of meetings, and so on.

              You just exactly described the state of one military unit, especially the last 4 years, even trenchant.
          2. ammunition
            ammunition April 7 2021 12: 10
            -1
            Quote: Fitter65
            Army of the times of the USSR

            I looked in the video for short shots of motorized riflemen .. I remembered everything so vividly. This is "heaven and earth". That army (early 80s) would have smeared the current one in a matter of days. Truth and losses would have been hundreds of thousands .. God forbid!
            Quote: Fitter65
            we have a pop in the state.

            Eh !! if only then .. instead of political officers, there was an Orthodox priest in every battalion !!! The army would become three times stronger. And that's when! Then we were much cleaner .. and would have easily accepted the Truth from the priest. And the "non-statutory" ones would almost disappear.
            Rђ RІRѕS, now now even the best priest has a very hard time.
            ------------------
            And army .. early 80s .. I'll tell you what a vacation in that army. 30 km to the platform with the train (we are going home!) .. already good. All full equipment on me, it is 32-35 kg. (Winter) + my "Metis" is 10 kg. + AST in a wooden box, another 10 kg. Plus, I was loaded with 8 pieces of machine guns, those soldiers who carry a thermos and tanks .. and "Lenkomnatu" (so that it burns out!) And other belongings. In total, I am wearing about 90 kg. But!! We are walking at a calm pace! .. this is rare. it is rest. Usually - jogging or reinforced stride. In general, I walked calmly and rested .. anticipating how I would lie down in the carriage. -)) Only one steep climber .. "made" push up -))

            Quote: Fitter65
            In general, shish there modern Russia inspired by the black-footed people will be able to defeat the USSR

            You shouldn't have said anything about the "black-riders" ... without them now at all ... Well, I have already written about "that" army.
            1. Fitter65
              Fitter65 April 7 2021 13: 14
              0
              Quote: ammunition
              if only then .. instead of political officers, there was an Orthodox priest in every battalion !!! The army would become three times stronger.

              Yeah, thirty-three times. Did the Orthodox priests help a lot during the First World War?
              Quote: ammunition
              I'll tell you what a vacation in that army is.

              This is your "opus" from the series, I heard how people serve. I would not have sung military songs - I myself served from October 1983 to August 2015, albeit not in the infantry, but in separate communications battalions in the Air Force. And that's about the fact that they dragged Lenkomnatu with them, a bullshit. At best, a couple of combat papers and a set of pencils. "Lenkomnata" was, at best, deployed in the corner of the tent, in our tent where the dining room was located, and even then if we went to the field for more than a week, if for 3-4 days at best an information stand-plywood was deployed, which was usually brought in the logistics car ...
              1. ammunition
                ammunition April 7 2021 16: 21
                0
                Quote: Fitter65
                This is your "opus" from the series, I heard how people serve. I would not have sung military songs - I myself served from October 1983 to August 2015, albeit not in the infantry, but in separate communications battalions in the Air Force. And that's about the fact that they dragged Lenkomnatu with them, a bullshit.

                1984 - 1987 (February). 7 MSR of the 73rd MRR, 2nd (Taman) MRD.
                Dragged Lenkomnatu. All the first six months of service. Then they stopped.
        2. SVD68
          SVD68 April 5 2021 17: 31
          +5
          Quote: Stroporez
          So the conversation is not about that. It compares two opposite systems of the USSR with Putinism, that's what we are talking about.

          So in this case, from the Russian army, I would go over to the side of the Red Army / SA. :)
    2. Flooding
      Flooding April 5 2021 14: 00
      +6
      Quote: Vadim Golubkov
      It seems that they were all killed there. Good movie

      and you are not a bloodthirsty person))
      1. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft April 5 2021 23: 24
        0
        Quote: Flood
        Quote: Vadim Golubkov
        It seems that they were all killed there. Good movie

        and you are not a bloodthirsty person))

        It's not a pity for the Japanese, half of the Asia-Pacific region would agree with this ...
    3. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb April 5 2021 14: 10
      +3
      I have read several books on alternative history.

      In one, our Russia failed in 1941. Got to Belarus. Army Group Center tried to pass through it. And the leadership of Russia thought for a long time whether to shmalnuyu around Berlin atomic energy.

      In the second book, the USSR from 1953 failed in 2018. It was saved by the fact that several nuclear submarines were on duty and returned to their homeland.
  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir April 5 2021 13: 59
    +7
    "Who would have won the war between the armies of the USSR and modern Russia"
    Well this is why the author smoked such a foul thing ?!
    1. nikon7717
      nikon7717 April 7 2021 14: 55
      0
      Toli smoked, Toli smelled, Toli hidden propaganda of the civil war. The only thing that I liked were the phrases with conclusions in the end, confirmation that the collapse of the USSR is a betrayal, with the postponement of the collapse of predatory capitalism, tk. we would simply have received all these technologies that are now implemented in the army. And for the phrase "a Russian officer is never a former" - a plus.
  3. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 5 2021 14: 07
    +5
    The message is crazy! Who would have won, EPRST!
    1. nedgen
      nedgen April 6 2021 21: 37
      -1
      Quote: Captive
      The message is crazy! Who would have won, EPRST!

      You are absolutely right, there would not have been a war because a large part of the Russian army in full strength went over to the side of the USSR, if not all. Well, probably the General School would have remained on the side of Russia because in the USSR Stalin had to WORK, and not sit around laughing Good luckhi
  4. Jaromir
    Jaromir April 5 2021 14: 10
    +8
    Who would have won the war between the armies of the USSR and modern Russia

    And who would have won if the army of Peter 1 and the rifle army of Ivan the Terrible met? Or who would be the winner of Nevsky or Donskoy?
    1. LiSiCyn
      LiSiCyn April 5 2021 14: 25
      +8
      Quote: Jaromir
      And who would have won if the army of Peter 1 and the rifle army of Ivan the Terrible met?

      Peter won |. There is even such a picture, "The Morning of the Streltsy Execution". There are both winners and losers on it. wink
      1. Jaromir
        Jaromir April 5 2021 14: 30
        +6
        Quote: LiSiCyn
        Peter won |. There is even such a picture, "The Morning of the Streltsy Execution"

        good I forgot something about this page of history repeat
        1. LiSiCyn
          LiSiCyn April 5 2021 14: 48
          +3
          Moreover, the streltsy army has practically not changed since the time of Ivan the Terrible. So to speak, ossified in the old traditions and weapons.
  5. Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer April 5 2021 14: 19
    +5
    Yandex Zen should be read less.
    Then such senseless ideas will not come to mind. hi
  6. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 5 2021 14: 22
    +3
    Tell this scribbler - you need to have a snack when you consume. laughing
  7. LiSiCyn
    LiSiCyn April 5 2021 14: 26
    +2
    Quote: Ilya-spb
    read several books on alternative history.

    Don't remember the name? I will be grateful... hi
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 April 5 2021 14: 37
      +4
      Quote: LiSiCyn
      Quote: Ilya-spb
      read several books on alternative history.

      Don't remember the name? I will be grateful... hi

      The first is exactly Alexei Ivakin "Seven days in June", the second I do not remember.
      1. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn April 5 2021 14: 42
        0
        THX. I'll have to look through it. hi
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 April 6 2021 07: 42
      0
      Anatoly Loginov. Opuses "USSR - retaliation", "1. USSR-41 in the XXI century", "2. Blow for blow! Stalin in the XXI century" ...
  8. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 5 2021 14: 33
    +5
    The ram asked a question to the ram who is the ram? How to counter one thing to the same thing?
  9. Free wind
    Free wind April 5 2021 14: 42
    -1
    To the pretzel that wipes away snot next to Stalin, advise you to wash your head more often, all the rags are dandruff. It’s disgusting.
  10. tatra
    tatra April 5 2021 14: 47
    0
    And for what and WHOM would the enemies of the communists, who for 30 years categorically refuse to take responsibility for the seizure of the RSFSR by them, who justify the crimes of the invaders of Russia, the interventionists and the Nazis, who have collaborators of the Civil and Great Patriotic War, traitors in the "heroes" and "great people" , slanderers of their country?
  11. dzvero
    dzvero April 5 2021 14: 48
    +1
    Again about a horse in a vacuum ... And a trick question. But it can be paraphrased - when there was the most efficient army. In my opinion - the Red Army of 1945 and the SA of the late 70s / early 80s. And if the outcome of the hypothetical SA-80 / RA-21 duel is uncertain, then about the RKKA-45 / RA-21 I would bet on the RKKA ...
    1. Flooding
      Flooding April 5 2021 15: 05
      +2
      Quote: dzvero
      In my opinion - the Red Army of 1945

      an extremely powerful army with vast combat experience, but with a mobilization reserve depleted by four years of war.
      maybe it's the 50s after all?
      when both the industry and the people at the very least recovered after the war.
      and new weapons appeared following the results of the Great Patriotic War.
      and for sure the military experience was taken into account in the training of the officer corps.
      1. dzvero
        dzvero April 5 2021 15: 28
        +1
        The experience, as they say, cannot be spent on drink (see Hungary-56, Operation Anadyr in the 62nd), but the peak was passed. The SA was a very important instrument, but in the post-war period it never reached the level of 1945. There was simply nowhere to accumulate real combat experience on a similar scale and from a private to a marshal.
  12. Speedy
    Speedy April 5 2021 16: 00
    +2
    So mean, they slipped the idea of ​​opposing ourselves. The Russian Army is the successor to the USSR Army.
    1. Sergey777
      Sergey777 April 5 2021 18: 57
      +3
      Motivation decides a lot, the hardware hasn't changed much. And so yes, it's nonsense of course to compare, but personally I am for the Union army! hi
  13. tank64rus
    tank64rus April 5 2021 17: 02
    +2
    Yes, there was power, he served in the GSVG of some tanks there was immeasurable. And combat training is at the level to which many armies can walk and walk.
  14. Black lotos
    Black lotos April 5 2021 18: 35
    +1
    like a fantasy and two horses in a vacuum, it is undoubtedly the motivated army of the USSR. For I do not know how to motivate against her. But the USSR is easy - the bourgeois capitalists will be defeated. Double motivation.
  15. andrew42
    andrew42 April 6 2021 17: 23
    0
    The army of the USSR in 1945 will be redundant. With a competently set task, in a specific place, for example, in Moscow, the Red Guard of the 1920 model with mosinks and maxims would be enough for the bourgeoisie to scatter across Paris and London.
  16. fax66
    fax66 April 7 2021 10: 37
    0
    it is rotten and sucked out of the finger. I don't even want to discuss it.
  17. iouris
    iouris April 7 2021 17: 10
    0
    BSK (bullshit). Russia cannot be "modern" or "out of date". Read "Alice in Wonderland": in this book, the girl Alice decides whether it is still she or not.
  18. zenion
    zenion 16 May 2021 17: 30
    0
    If against the army of Stalin's time, then the result is already known. The White Army was smashed to smithereens. But if against the army of the times of the Bullseye, there would be a draw. They would have bribed each other, and after all they would not have found where these nasty armies are.