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Initiative development: the company "VPK" presented a new combat module BTR-BM

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The newest remotely controlled combat module BTR-BM, installed on the BTR-82, was shown last Friday at one of the military training grounds in the Moscow region. This was reported by the press service of the Military Industrial Company (MIC).


Reportedly, the new combat module was developed by specialists from the military-industrial complex and the company. "Weapons workshops. "The work was carried out on an initiative basis. The development differs from the already existing analogs in significantly larger angles of aiming weapons in the vertical plane, the ability to replenish the ammunition from the inside of the vehicle without going outside, as well as work in a complete absence of power supply.

The main armament of the module is a 30-mm automatic cannon and a coaxial machine gun of 7,62 mm caliber, as well as anti-tank missiles. The installed automated fire control system allows firing both from a place and on the move. The sighting system provides weapon guidance at any time of the day and in poor visibility conditions.

The module can be installed on any armored vehicles, boats and small ships, as well as to arrange stationary firing points.

The new module installed on the BTR-82 was shown to the commission of the Ministry of Defense headed by Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko and was highly appreciated. The prospects for adopting a new combat module, as well as the possibilities of mass production, have not yet been reported.
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  1. Flooding
    Flooding April 5 2021 12: 52
    +12
    small video from Zvezda TV channel
    1. RealPilot
      RealPilot April 5 2021 13: 16
      +11
      Modules are good!
      And the fact that they are placed on many different platforms, up to boats and stationary points, is generally excellent!

      But the BTR-82A, on which it is installed in the photo, you can see a little more in detail. Fasteners are welded onto it for installing another layer of spaced-out hinged armor, which we have already seen in other sources with add. a layer of armor plates.
      And this situation pleases, because from the conditionally bulletproof armor, the armored personnel carrier passes into the next category. Already 12,7 will withstand normally in most places, especially at an angle to the enemy. Maybe more (23mm) in some cases.
      This improvement is worth noting.
      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich April 5 2021 14: 31
        +7
        With this module, buoyancy will most likely be lost, so additional booking seems logical. It looks like a version for mountainous desert areas and urban battles, as the angle of the trunk will increase.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding April 5 2021 14: 56
          +1
          Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
          It looks like a version for mountainous desert areas and urban battles, as the angle of the trunk will increase.

          in the city and tank armor does not always save
          only a heavy BMP is advisable for the city
          1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
            Sergey Aleksandrovich April 5 2021 14: 59
            +1
            While her, that very heavy infantry fighting vehicle, is not available. Modernize what is.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding April 5 2021 15: 00
              +2
              Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
              Modernize what is.

              I agree.
              moreover, it is impossible to modernize something that does not exist.
              but definitely not for urban battles.
              1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                Sergey Aleksandrovich April 5 2021 15: 02
                +1
                The BMP-2 was also not created for that, but found its combat use in the mountains of Afghanistan.
                1. Old tanker
                  Old tanker April 5 2021 17: 45
                  0
                  The BMP-2 was just created to replace the BMP-1 based on the experience of battles in Afghanistan.
                  1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                    Sergey Aleksandrovich April 5 2021 20: 51
                    +1
                    Please read the facts, not speculation. The BMP-2 was developed somewhat earlier.
                    1. Old tanker
                      Old tanker April 5 2021 21: 53
                      -1
                      I think you should familiarize yourself.
                      A government order on the urgent development of serial production of object 675 was transmitted to the plant by telephone on the April night of 1980. The order was categorical - in two weeks the first batch of cars should be sent to Afghanistan!
                      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
                        Sergey Aleksandrovich April 5 2021 22: 48
                        +1
                        You're stubborn. Was it developed and put into production that very night? Aren't you ashamed to produce such fakes?
        2. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 April 5 2021 15: 04
          +1
          Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
          as the angle of elevation of the trunk will increase.

          By the way, yes, about the angles - the developer declares an elevation angle of up to 70 degrees.
        3. lucul
          lucul April 5 2021 16: 19
          -3
          With this module, buoyancy will most likely be lost,

          Perhaps, but in the BTR-80, the only way to reduce weight is to lighten the drivetrain. Place lightweight bridges - and you can immediately build up your armor.
          1. Sofa batyr
            Sofa batyr April 5 2021 17: 37
            +9
            Why not mount such a module on the more promising BTR-87 platform, which has a landing exit in the stern?



            1. serezhasoldatow
              serezhasoldatow April 18 2021 19: 04
              0
              "... The module can be installed on any armored vehicles, boats and small ships, as well as to arrange stationary firing points ..." So here it is possible and necessary, only the BTR-87 is put into service.
            2. Barberry25
              Barberry25 5 May 2021 10: 14
              0
              because the Ministry of Defense, in its favorite perverse strategy, abandoned the BTR-87
      2. NKT
        NKT April 5 2021 19: 00
        0
        The main thing is that these all new platforms do not push the Boomerang back.
        1. max702
          max702 April 15 2021 08: 50
          +2
          Quote: NKT
          The main thing is that these all new platforms do not push the Boomerang back.

          It is too big and heavy .. It turned out to be a police car, not an army one .. Patrolling the controlled area, especially somewhere in the south, is suitable, but it is simply dangerous to fight on it, very few people will miss large sizes, low traffic will get up and all the target .. Most likely that's why they are in no hurry to supply them to the army .. In general, there is a dead end at this level of technological development ..
  2. APASUS
    APASUS April 5 2021 12: 53
    +1
    Maybe something will begin to develop in the military-industrial complex, since the initiatives have gone. It's time to start involving private traders, competition in this area is very necessary
    1. Graz
      Graz April 5 2021 12: 58
      +1
      what's the point of private traders? army needs serial production. and not 2-3 cars a year, and they will not pull more
      1. Cananecat
        Cananecat April 5 2021 13: 26
        +2
        Quote: Graz
        what's the point of private traders? army needs serial production. and not 2-3 cars a year, and they will not pull more

        There is a development, so it can be bought. Of course, private traders will not pull the state order in full, but where the state defense order will be placed, in what areas, will be decided by the Ministry of Defense.
      2. Flooding
        Flooding April 5 2021 13: 27
        +7
        Quote: Graz
        what's the point of private traders? army needs serial production. and not 2-3 cars a year, and they will not pull more

        in general, "VPK" LLC supplies the army with BTR-82M and BTR-82AM in hundreds.
        1. Old tanker
          Old tanker April 5 2021 17: 47
          +3
          And also "Tigers" and not only in the RF Armed Forces. This is a former military production of GAZ in the city of Arzamas.
      3. Paranoid50
        Paranoid50 April 5 2021 15: 13
        0
        Quote: Graz
        what's the point of private traders? army needs serial production.

        Here I immediately recall the film "Alexander Nevsky", namely, the episode in which "self-employed" Novgorod gunsmiths open their shops and is free arm the Novgorod militia:
        "I give three hundred axes!","Spears - I give a thousand ! ", etc. This is what I understand - business for the benefit of the fatherland. fellow yes
      4. APASUS
        APASUS April 5 2021 16: 12
        +1
        Quote: Graz
        what's the point of private traders? army needs serial production. and not 2-3 cars a year, and they will not pull more

        Lobaev Arms, a private trader, or the same ORSIS, delivered rifles worth 100 mil to Rossoboronexport.
      5. Barberry25
        Barberry25 April 5 2021 16: 15
        0
        The military-industrial complex is the main manufacturer of the BTR-82A, and the replacement can be made promptly or during the capital.
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 April 5 2021 13: 22
      +2
      Quote: APASUS
      Maybe something will begin to develop in the military-industrial complex, since the initiatives have gone. It's time to start involving private traders, competition in this area is very necessary

      Yes, perhaps it would be more correct. If not for production, then at least for development. Although when I see / read this it immediately appears: 1940 article in the newspaper Pravda - Yesterday, at the Kubinka training ground, Comrade Stalin and the People's Commissar of Defense, Comrade Timoshenko, examined the newest tank ... How long would the editor live after that? wassat
      1. APASUS
        APASUS April 5 2021 16: 19
        0
        Quote: NDR-791
        Yes, perhaps it would be more correct. If not for production, then at least for development. Although when I see / read this it immediately appears: 1940. article in the newspaper Pravda - Yesterday, at the Kubinka training ground, Comrade Stalin and the People's Commissar of Defense, Comrade Timoshenko, examined the newest tank ... How long would the editor have lived after that?

        You are lagging behind reality. For example:
        T-14 Armata is produced at the facilities of JSC "Uralvagonzavod" ", but intellectual property and design bureaus are in the hands of the state.
        JSC "Uralvagonzavod" is the most powerful industrial complex and in fact it does not care what products the state orders from it.
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 April 6 2021 07: 56
          0
          Quote: APASUS
          JSC "Uralvagonzavod" is the most powerful industrial complex and in fact it does not care what products the state orders from it.

          after ditching OmskTransMash ...
  3. Graz
    Graz April 5 2021 12: 55
    -2
    the ability to replenish ammunition from the inside of the vehicle without going outside,

    strange, as I understand it, an uninhabited combat module is made with the intention of separating the crew from the ammunition, but again, as I understand it, they want to store some of them next to the crew and the landing party
    1. Flooding
      Flooding April 5 2021 13: 32
      +1
      if it arrives at the armored personnel carrier, it will not matter much where the ammo is located.
      but the fact that the BM is uninhabited increases the chance of survival of the crew when it hits the tower.
    2. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich April 5 2021 13: 39
      -1
      The ammunition here is low-power, the detonation of the ammunition does not threaten them.
      1. Old tanker
        Old tanker April 5 2021 17: 50
        0
        Would tell this skaschka to those who burned in the BMP-2 on New Year's Eve in 95 in Grozny.
        1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
          Sergey Aleksandrovich April 5 2021 17: 58
          -1
          You cannot protect yourself from everything. You might think that the BTR-82A is much better with this.
          1. Old tanker
            Old tanker April 5 2021 18: 01
            +1
            Not any better. I mean, the "thirty" (30mm shells) still detonate and arrange a good fireworks display, so such that you have to stay at a considerable distance from the burning behi.
            1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
              Sergey Aleksandrovich April 5 2021 18: 07
              0
              Then why write such comments, and even with links to Grozny, just like that, for a catchphrase? Why attack an inhabited module with insignificant quibbles? And detonation involves the explosion of ammunition from a shock wave, not from a fire. If an armored personnel carrier gets hit by a tank shell or a grenade launcher, the detonation will no longer matter.
              1. Old tanker
                Old tanker April 5 2021 21: 57
                +2
                I felt the "beautiful word" on my own skin. True, a little later.
                Reading your speculations is really funny.
  4. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 5 2021 12: 55
    -2
    It would be better to test the BTR-87 in comparison ...
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 April 5 2021 13: 01
    +5
    Initiative development: the company "VPK" presented a new combat module BTR-BM
    It is clear that the armored personnel carriers are still full, but the security of the crew / landing is not sufficient for modern realities ...
    1. Genry
      Genry April 5 2021 13: 28
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      There are still plenty of armored personnel carriers, but the security of the crew / landing is not sufficient for modern realities ...

      It will always not be enough ("it will not be enough !!!").
      But he can significantly reduce losses and improve mobility.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 5 2021 13: 37
        0
        Quote: Genry
        It will always not be enough ("it will not be enough !!!").

        All the same, if possible, you will have to make a new, more secure technique.
        1. Genry
          Genry April 5 2021 13: 41
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          All the same, if possible, you will have to make a new, more secure technique.

          The T-15 is not always needed.
          The equipment is needed for all intermediate classes of protection, optimized for the tasks being performed.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 5 2021 13: 55
            +1
            A question of reasonable / rational sufficiency, a question of PRICE ... but, better security, equipment and other bells and whistles, which all the developed armies of the world are now striving to use, this, in addition to additional opportunities, gives the fighters a feeling ... in short, those that are needed, sensations. It is important for a fighter to know that for his safety and other things, the state spares no money !!!
            1. Genry
              Genry April 5 2021 13: 58
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              It is important for a fighter to know that for his safety and other things, the state spares no money !!!

              And what is the T-15 talking about?
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 April 5 2021 14: 03
                +1
                Anyone who will "work" on it or on other similar, modern technology, everything is clear ... but for someone who will have to "work" not on such, but on a technique that does not have such parameters? And not in the rear, where a mine / missile in the side should not be expected ... but where the risk, danger, real ...
                1. Genry
                  Genry April 5 2021 14: 20
                  -3
                  Quote: rocket757
                  And not in the rear, where a mine / missile in the side should not be expected ... but where the risk, danger, real ...

                  Do you think that armored personnel carriers go on the attack? They are for delivery or as temporary firing points (with the need for a trench or other protection).

                  About BM.
                  Automated modules of this type can be integrated with Magister_SV and participate in firing missiles, bombs, mines, ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 April 5 2021 15: 00
                    +1
                    Quote: Genry
                    Do you think that armored personnel carriers are going on the attack?

                    Do you think that even without direct attacks, they do not come under fire and do not run into landmines?
                    1. Genry
                      Genry April 5 2021 15: 08
                      0
                      Quote: rocket757
                      Do you think that even without direct attacks, they do not come under fire and do not run into landmines?

                      Shelling: APC and made with fragmentation protection against shelling.
                      Landmine: cases from Syria show that the BTR-82 does not fall apart and the injuries are not serious.
                      And land mines are not a war but terrorism. MRAP ....
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 April 5 2021 15: 10
                        +1
                        Protection, precaution is never superfluous ...
                      2. Genry
                        Genry April 5 2021 15: 12
                        0
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Protection, precaution is never superfluous ...

                        If it does not decrease elsewhere, resources are limited.
                      3. PSih2097
                        PSih2097 April 6 2021 08: 04
                        +1
                        Quote: Genry
                        And land mines are not a war but terrorism.

                        yes, yes, yes - terrorism, who told you that? I wonder why, then, in the engineering troops, they are taught to collect VU from any scrap materials, eh?
              2. Doliva63
                Doliva63 April 5 2021 15: 47
                +2
                Quote: Genry
                Quote: rocket757
                It is important for a fighter to know that for his safety and other things, the state spares no money !!!

                And what is the T-15 talking about?

                Only that UVZ wants money, and more laughing For 55 tons is madness.
                1. Genry
                  Genry April 5 2021 15: 57
                  -3
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  Only that UVZ wants money, and more

                  Only the hamsters on the VaNalny channel will believe you.
                  Quote: Doliva63
                  55 tons is madness.

                  The bridges are designed for such a weight (a truck with 6 axles of 10t or 11,5t each) - it means "this" is with you.
                  1. Doliva63
                    Doliva63 April 5 2021 16: 43
                    0
                    Quote: Genry
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    Only that UVZ wants money, and more

                    Only the hamsters on the VaNalny channel will believe you.
                    Quote: Doliva63
                    55 tons is madness.

                    The bridges are designed for such a weight (a truck with 6 axles of 10t or 11,5t each) - it means "this" is with you.


                    Every ninth bridge in Russia is made of wood. Most of them are in the Khabarovsk Territory - 706, or over 60% of the total. In the Arkhangelsk region, 66% of all bridges are wooden, in the Trans-Baikal Territory - 624 wooden bridges, almost half, in the Irkutsk region - 569, more than 40%.
                    These are the ones that will stand 55 tons? laughing Or are you specifically going to fight for Muscovy? Well, there may be. And then - on the tracks, but in the fart where the infantry will fight, there are none. I give 100% that you did not serve in the infantry on the BMP. If they did, of course.
                    And also, so as not to get bored:
                    Home / Logistics / Comments / 5 transport bridges collapsed in Russia since the beginning of the year
                    04.06.2020 10: 22: 26Logistics / Comments
                    5 transport bridges collapsed in Russia since the beginning of the year
                    Recently, news about the collapse of Russian bridges, which provide transport accessibility not only for small settlements, but also for entire cities, has been received with alarming regularity. We decided to recall the history of the collapse of Russian bridges in 2019 and early 2020, from the most relevant events to an emergency a year ago.
                    5 transport bridges collapsed in Russia since the beginning of the year
                    Orenburg, June 3, 2020. Here, a part of the fence on the bridge over the Sakmara River collapsed. The railing fell into the pond. Road crews worked at the site of the emergency. According to the deputy head of Orenburg, Mikhail Seregin, in order to prevent accidents on the bridge, they plan to move the fence supports. In 2020, we intend to hold a competition for the development of a bridge reconstruction project. An engineering structure with a length of 320 m was built in 1972.

                    Murmansk, June 1, 2020. A railway bridge on the Vykhodnoy - Kola stretch near Murmansk collapsed as a result of a flood. According to preliminary data, the accident occurred due to the strong current of the river, which moved the bridge support. Sources of RZD-Partner also note the likelihood of designers making mistakes: when building bridges, they use flood frequency data for 100 and even 300 years. During the construction of the bridge, they simply might not have been at the disposal of the designers, because observations of the floods on the Kola River were not carried out. Also, the reason for the collapse of the railway bridge near Murmansk was not the pressure of flood waters, but the insufficiently qualified work of the bridge foreman, in whose area of ​​responsibility there was an engineering structure. The bridge was built in 1930.

                    Volgograd, May 29, 2020. Partial collapse of the bridge occurred under the wheels of a truck in the Zhirnovsky district of the Volgograd region. While driving under the car, the bridge began to collapse, several spans collapsed, pulling the KAMAZ trailer behind it. According to police, the driver was driving in excess of the permitted maximum weight.

                    Birobidzhan, May 7, 2020. In the Jewish Autonomous Region, a bridge over the Ikura River collapsed in the Valdheim District. The collapse occurred while the tractor was moving over the bridge. According to preliminary data, the bridge collapsed due to excessive wear of the supporting structures.

                    Shkotovsky District, Primorsky Territory, April 3, 2020. In Primorye, on the Vladivostok-Nakhodka highway, the most important for the region, an automobile bridge collapsed, the road was blocked. As a result of the collapse of the bridge, a car was damaged. Currently, travel along the Vladivostok - Nakhodka route is possible only through the city of Partizansk along an alternative route, which also has a number of bridges that are in disrepair. In this case, the route is extended by a hundred kilometers.

                    Kostroma, March 19, 2020. In the Makaryevsky district of the Kostroma region, an auto-pedestrian bridge across the Unzha River broke down due to ice drift. One of the pillars of the crossing collapsed under the onslaught of ice moving along the river.

                    Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk, December 12, 2019. The only bridge connecting the northern Sakhalin village of Rybnovsk with the outside world in the Okha region collapsed just at the moment when the Okha businessman was trying to deliver food to the village.

                    Vladimir, December 11, 2019. In the Vladimir region on the M-7 highway on December 9, in the area of ​​the Southern bypass of the regional center, a fragment of a road bridge collapsed.

                    Irkutsk, December 4, 2019. Violation of the requirements of the established road signs by the driver of a heavy truck led to the collapse of a bridge across the Makarovka river in the Irkutsk region. The incident took place on the 76th km of the Ust-Kut - Kirensk highway.

                    Orenburg, December 2, 2019. In Orenburg, on Tereshkova Street, a bridge collapsed in front of the traffic police post.

                    Vladivostok, October 3, 2019. On the road Shkotovo - Ivanovka - Rettikhovka, half of the span collapsed on one of the bridges. The road passing through the Ussuriysky Nature Reserve and connecting Shkotovo with the central regions of Primorye is a backup of the main route and was used by heavy vehicles, since their passage over the bridge in Shkotovo was also limited due to the collapse of the bridge.

                    Vladivostok, September 27, 2019. In Primorye, a bridge collapsed on the road section between the city of Dalnerechensk and the village of Rakitnoye. Partial collapse of the bridge over the Lazarevka River limited traffic for heavy vehicles. Eyewitnesses report that the bridge collapsed after an overloaded length of machine passed over it.

                    Pskov, September 17, 2019. Part of the structure of a road bridge across the Nevedryanka River, located on the Tolkachevo - Sebezh - Zasitino regional highway, collapsed. The bridge was built in 1962 and was in poor condition. Since 2015, a limitation on the carrying capacity of the bridge has been introduced. It is clarified that the support sagged at the bridge, from this a hole was formed into which the car drove.

                    Vladivostok, September 9, 2019. The bridge connecting the suburban village of Shchitovaya with the city collapsed in the capital of the Far Eastern Federal District. Part of the village of Shchitovaya, located on the outskirts of Vladivostok, was cut off from the world because of the collapsed bridge. Eyewitnesses report that the collapse of the bridge was most likely due to powerful streams of water that have arisen as a result of heavy downpours that have passed in Vladivostok in the past few days.

                    Volokolamsk, Moscow region, June 19, 2019. In the Volokolamsk urban district of the Moscow region, a road bridge over the Lamu River partially collapsed. The incident occurred as a result of an attempt to cross the bridge with a loaded car.

                    Blagoveshchensk, May 10, 2019. An automobile bridge across the river partially collapsed in the Svobodnensky District of the Amur Region. Local residents note that the reason for the collapse of the structure was the poor condition, since the bridge was previously recognized as emergency.

                    Thus, since the beginning of the year, five bridges have already been destroyed, and in 2019 such a fate befell ten structures. In 2018, there were 18 collapsed bridges (and including pedestrian bridges - more than 100!). All in all, according to Rosstat, there are about 72,5 thousand bridges in Russia, and almost half of them require repair of varying degrees. Many transport bridges were built more than half a century ago and were not designed for the current weight and size standards.
                    1. Genry
                      Genry April 5 2021 22: 14
                      0
                      Quote: Doliva63
                      Many transport bridges were built more than half a century ago and not designed for current weight and dimensions.

                      They answered themselves.
                      So much has been written, but it all ended that way.

                      Bridges on major highways or with fairly heavy traffic, as a rule, are of federal importance and are kept up to date.

                      And the 55t tanks were not calculated for Russia (100t can be used for yourself), but for .... There, the bridges are strict.
      2. Barberry25
        Barberry25 April 5 2021 16: 18
        0
        here it is more important what else for cheap you can get 1 armored personnel carriers with an ATGM ... and this is a completely different calico
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 5 2021 13: 50
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      It is clear that the armored personnel carriers are still full, but the security of the crew / landing is not sufficient for modern realities ...

      Even tanks do not provide complete protection for the crew.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 5 2021 14: 05
        0
        This is exactly what everyone understands ... the dull ones are eliminated on the way.
  6. JD1979
    JD1979 April 5 2021 13: 13
    +2
    What's the point of this module on an antediluvian cart? By the way, the design in the side and rear projection resembles the KV-1 tower.
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS April 5 2021 15: 26
      0
      Confused by this module on an antediluvian cart

      It can be used as a stationary firing point by burying it in the ground.
      1. JD1979
        JD1979 April 5 2021 19: 09
        +1
        As stationary, you can just as well use existing modules)))
    2. Barberry25
      Barberry25 April 5 2021 16: 19
      0
      well, for example, that you can drive such armored personnel carriers for 1 to the rear and shoot enemy armored vehicles 000-2 km plus from the line, or drive them behind an earthen dump and work on the enemy
      1. JD1979
        JD1979 April 5 2021 19: 11
        +3
        Uh-huh drive and leave there, for useless. Do you know a lot of armored vehicles that are now taken in the forehead 30mm?))) Especially from 2-2,5km. Moreover, without normal sub-calibers)))
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 April 5 2021 23: 33
          +1
          BTR-82 is now in the army, so you will have to participate in battles, so it's better to have an ATGM than not to have
          1. JD1979
            JD1979 April 6 2021 16: 33
            0
            In this case, it is easier and cheaper to retrofit the module on the BTR-82 with pturas than to reinvent the wheel. And again, now the whole problem of any modules with 2A72 is that a gun with the current range of ammunition has lost its relevance as a means of fighting armored vehicles, even armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles. Only light armored vehicles remain. And a couple of pturs on the next redesigned tower will not fix the situation. It is necessary either to enlarge the caliber urgently, or to produce modern ammunition. And the chassis of the armored personnel carrier is also time to be scrapped, 12,7 does not hold, not to mention the calibers installed on armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles of NATO countries.
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 April 6 2021 18: 30
              +1
              that's why they propose not to suffer garbage with the modernization of old towers, but to put a new one .. or the optics need to be changed? easier and faster, Or maybe it's even cheaper to put a new module than to have fun with the old one ... about 12,7, then from this year there is a purchase of modules of mounted spaced armor, just against 12,7
  7. Galleon
    Galleon April 5 2021 13: 26
    -1
    Made the module, proactively. Have shown. Result = 0. We looked, praised and left. As far as I understand, there should be a military-technical policy of the Ministry of Defense, expressed in the publication or issuance, upon request, of interesting and approved topics and terms of reference for development. Then the inspection of the sample during the show will determine whether the sample corresponds to the terms of reference or does not correspond, as a result - the admission to budget money. Otherwise, what can the developers hope for?
  8. Emil Azeri
    Emil Azeri April 5 2021 13: 32
    -2
    Since we decided to add an ATGM and increase combat abilities, then first we would improve the armor, both the side and the bottom, and add a 4/5 generation ATGM of the Lahat type, and the AGS, just in case, will not take up much space on the tower.


    (The photo shows one of the combat modules of the BTR Kobra GPS of Azerbaijan.)
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 5 2021 14: 00
      +2
      So there is nothing to put. MO has been in denial for too long. Therefore, only old people of the 2nd generation.
      1. Barberry25
        Barberry25 April 5 2021 16: 21
        -2
        wink well, if we put a stabilized camera to the competition, we will get a car that is not inferior to the third generation ..
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 April 5 2021 17: 03
          +2
          It is inferior. For the shot will still have to be done in line of sight = catch the answer or be in the high-risk zone. Plus, this is generally not always possible in areas with difficult terrain. Any Spikes make a hill with the ability to search for a target and can hit equipment on the opposite slopes, in buildings, which will not work at all with a classic 2nd generation ATGM.

          1. Barberry25
            Barberry25 April 5 2021 18: 31
            -3
            and they are also very expensive, and here, for the price of 3 kopecks, you can get a complex that will hit the target at a distance of 10 km ..
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 April 5 2021 18: 45
              +3
              Anything new is always expensive. The correct approach is to work to reduce the cost of the latest weapons. Wrong - to sit on the technology of the 70s, slightly modifying it without going beyond the budget.

              I do not argue that which thread Kornet is the best mass infantry ATGM. However, the failure of the 3rd generation is a really strong undermining of the army's capabilities. Even stronger than with a UAV. It's just that the UAV is now on the radar and the Ministry of Defense has poured money into them to force all the topics. And the ATGM is not heard and until the 40s they will think whether they need a la Spike or not.
              1. Barberry25
                Barberry25 April 5 2021 23: 34
                -4
                And now the question is .. what exactly prevents the cable from directing missiles with an attack from above?
              2. Barberry25
                Barberry25 April 6 2021 18: 31
                -2
                and if without dislikes, but just answer the question?
                1. donavi49
                  donavi49 April 6 2021 18: 51
                  +2
                  Um, so I don't put any dislikes.

                  It is known that the speed characteristics of the active section, the ability to maneuver, will interfere. If everything were so simple, then they would put the camera on the TOU and that's it. But it doesn’t come out.

                  If you start to fence from the cornet - Spike, then the maximum warheads will remain from the cornet.
                  1. Barberry25
                    Barberry25 April 6 2021 20: 38
                    -2
                    laughing And this is where the most interesting thing lies .. 1) Contests / Metis fly with an average of 200 m / s, Cornets are faster, and Spikes have an average in the region of 130-180 m / s .. 2) Spikes are not engaged in maneuvering. 3) the cost of a shot a la Metis, due to a penny alteration, will be able to attack targets even from above, even in the forehead, everything rests on the length of the cable ... in fact, you can make a cable for 10 km, and it's easy to register a slide maneuver ... here the question is that we do not like something new, if it is not a breakthrough ... because proactive developments are very expensive ... and without a guarantee
  9. Sergey Aleksandrovich
    Sergey Aleksandrovich April 5 2021 13: 36
    0
    If the module is single, then the BMP-1 is also suitable for upgrading.
    The ability to replenish ammunition from the inside of the vehicle without going outside is apparently oblong hatches on the sides of the tower. The innovation is useful, less than fifty years have passed since they thought of it and came to this.
    But I don't like the 2A42 gun, the less rapid-fire 2A72 looks more like a real cannon.
    1. Genry
      Genry April 5 2021 13: 56
      +3
      Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
      But I don't like the 2A42 gun, the less rapid-fire 2A72 looks more like a real cannon.

      2A72 - for light chassis of the "Tiger" type and has 2-3 times worse accuracy.
      1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
        Sergey Aleksandrovich April 5 2021 14: 14
        0
        Here, the chassis is also not too heavy, most likely they will be presented with a choice.
    2. Barberry25
      Barberry25 April 5 2021 16: 21
      -1
      and she also does not eat modern armor-piercing ...
  10. Guru
    Guru April 5 2021 14: 10
    0
    the ability to replenish ammunition from the inside of the vehicle without going outside,
    Now, if it were possible to reload ATGMs from inside the car, then the price would not be there. laughing
    1. Genry
      Genry April 5 2021 14: 33
      +2
      Quote: Guru
      Now, if it were possible to reload ATGMs from inside the car, then the price would not be there.

      He carries ATGMs only "just in case." And if you recharge, then in cover.
  11. xorek
    xorek April 5 2021 14: 13
    -2
    The new module installed on the BTR-82 was shown to the commission of the Ministry of Defense headed by Deputy Defense Minister Alexei Krivoruchko and was highly appreciated.

    Well, well, now in a combat situation it is necessary to check and so that the carriers, mechanics and soldiers approve everything! And the comments were sent to them .. soldier
    And then you will receive bonuses
  12. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 5 2021 14: 19
    +2
    The module is certainly a good thing, but almost two tons at the top of the car. How are things going with stability when cornering and when driving on slopes, it can turn over. It would be necessary to test. After all, the war is not waged on a flat asphalt.
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 April 6 2021 11: 53
      -1
      well, the old module weighs 1 kg ... so not so much
  13. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan April 5 2021 14: 24
    0
    A new armored personnel carrier is needed, the same "Boomerang", the old BTR-80 platform is already outdated.
    1. Genry
      Genry April 5 2021 15: 45
      -2
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      A new armored personnel carrier is needed, the same "Boomerang", the old BTR-80 platform is already outdated.

      The BTR-82 is not outdated - it is for transportation and urgent defense (firing points behind the shaft or in caponiers / trenches).
      Boomerang is a wheeled chassis (for medium tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, self-propelled guns, air defense), for fast offensive missions in conditions of developed roads or convenient terrain).
      1. Ratmir_Ryazan
        Ratmir_Ryazan April 6 2021 12: 19
        +1
        The armored personnel carrier should be more protected from mines and large-caliber bullets.

        The armored personnel carrier not only stands behind the coponier, but also participates in patrolling, transports the infantry and now 80/82 is a coffin on wheels.

        Better than nothing, but you need something else, more secure.
  14. CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz April 5 2021 17: 24
    0
    Eto psedomodernizacia.
    BTR-87 eto to shto nado.
    Pravilniy put kak vizhat iz tekhnichesko i moralno ustarevshey mashini BTR-82M / AM priblizitelno to, shto trebuetsa ot sovremenogo BTR. (s bolshoy ogovorki).
    1. Genry
      Genry April 5 2021 23: 44
      0
      Well, when you have already set yourself a layout Russian (American phonetic) ? No.

      Quote: CastroRuiz
      BTR-87 eto to shto nado.

      It is convenient to get out in the BTR-87 (with a ramp at the back) in battle on the move, but this is not an infantry fighting vehicle and is unsuitable for combat (weakly armored).
      For the BTR-82, which transports manpower along the road, when fired from the side of the road, it is more convenient and safer to exit from the opposite side.
      1. CastroRuiz
        CastroRuiz April 6 2021 10: 37
        0
        BTR-87 min. s loba namnogo luchshe zashishchen chem BTR-82 da iz bokov i shto vazhno i dno (protivominoe prisposoblenie)
        A kto posilaet BTR v boy? Kde ya takogo napisal? A pri obstrele s obochnici kal. 12,7 mm eto uzhe morg. Pochemu to voyaki predpochitayut na BTR-82 vozitsa na broni?
        1. Genry
          Genry April 8 2021 01: 08
          +1
          Quote: CastroRuiz
          BTR-87 min. s loba namnogo luchshe zashishchen chem BTR-82 da iz bokov i shto vazhno i dno (protivominoe prisposoblenie)

          The BTR-87, in comparison with the 82nd, has no significant improvement in protection! At that time, it became possible to add hinged armor, so taking it into account, they began to talk about strengthening protection. But such weighting deprives him of mobility and buoyancy - therefore, it is not relevant. And add-on armor can even be added to cars.
          Mine action and improved protection were taken in the armored personnel carrier-82 after the Afghan experience of the BTR-80 (that's what we drove on then on armor)
          Quote: CastroRuiz
          A kto posilaet BTR v boy? Kde ya takogo napisal? A pri obstrele s obochnici kal. 12,7 mm eto uzhe morg. Pochemu to voyaki predpochitayut na BTR-82 vozitsa na broni?

          Applying 12,7mm off the curb? What terrorist group would undertake to carry a heavy machine gun on itself, after all, they would intercept at the transport immediately at the checkpoint.
          BTR-82s in Syria have already been hit by high-explosive explosions several times and no one was seriously injured in them and no one rides on horseback.

          What's your problem of adding Russian keyboard layout? After all "Russian (American phonetic)"- under the American keyboard.
  15. Nigilist666
    Nigilist666 April 5 2021 22: 19
    +1
    Quote: Old Tanker
    I think you should familiarize yourself.
    A government order on the urgent development of serial production of object 675 was transmitted to the plant by telephone on the April night of 1980. The order was categorical - in two weeks the first batch of cars should be sent to Afghanistan!

    Start production and the date of development are not the same: "The machine was created as a result of the modification of the BMP-1. Work in this direction has been carried out in the design bureau (KB) of the Kurgan Machine Building Plant since 1974 under the GBTU indexes" Object 675 "and" Object 680 " under the leadership of Gerasim Avdeev. Also, the issue of modernization of the BMP-1 was worked out at the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant since 1972 under the index "Object 769". In 1980, a variant of the Kurgan Machine-Building Plant was adopted, which launched the serial production of the BMP-2 "
  16. Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 6 2021 20: 14
    0
    And how to aim in the absence of power supply?