"The whole world is with us": three reasons why no one will stand up for Ukraine militarily in the event of a real war

_{Spanish Air Force pilots - NATO member}

Ukrainian officials and senior military officials these days congratulate NATO on the 72nd anniversary of its foundation. The Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Ruslan Khomchak also sent his congratulations to the alliance, calling Ukraine "a real shield of Europe" and the entire alliance. Also in Ukraine they are actively discussing the statement made in Washington. It was stated there that the United States "will not leave Ukraine alone with the aggressor." The first president of Ukraine, Leonid Kravchuk, decided to comment on this statement, noting that "Russia must know who it is dealing with."

In fact, Ukraine flatters itself with illusions, believing that the United States implies in its statement the readiness to fight for Ukraine.

There are three main reasons (criteria) why no one will intercede militarily for Ukraine in the event of a real war.

Cause one, historical... In the West, although they blame Russia for everything, they understand perfectly well that it is Kiev, with the filing of the same United States, provoking the conflict in the southeast. It is Kiev that benefits from the hotbed of tension in order to constantly blame all its economic and political failures on it. Therefore, in the event of a full-scale war, the situation could repeat the scenario of 2008, when Saakashvili received assurances of comprehensive support from the United States, launched an attack on Tskhinvali and Russian peacekeepers, but quickly realized that no one was going to support Tbilisi militarily. Then I had to intensively chew my tie and fall to the ground at the sound of Russian planes. A few years ago, by the way, he told how he was "set up" by partners from overseas.

Reason two, military and economic. The modern North Atlantic military bloc is expanding eastward primarily not in order to take it like this - and enter into a full-scale war with Russia. The expansion is in the nature of active attempts to reduce Russian influence in Eastern Europe, to sever existing cultural and economic ties and, ultimately, to simply squeeze Russia out of the large market. Additionally, NATO enlargement is also a huge amount of money, the opportunity to force their own governments to fork out and channel more funds into the military budget under the pretext of confrontation with Russia. Of course, the advancement of NATO infrastructure to the Russian borders carries a military danger for Russia, but only this advance does not bring any security to modern Ukraine, which is being built according to the well-known project "Anti-Russia". Therefore, NATO is ready to use Ukraine as a zone for provocations - at the expense of Ukraine itself, and if you fight, then, as they say, to the last Ukrainian. But to defend militarily Ukrainian territory with your soldiers is not. No way ...

And a full-scale war in Ukraine and for Ukraine for Europe (unlike the United States) is a complete economic collapse. From our own loss of markets to the loss of the energy supply system.

Reason (criterion) third, mental and political. If NATO servicemen begin to die in Ukraine, and in the event of a major war this will happen anyway, then the political agenda in Europe may be completely reformatted. They will not stop calling Russia an "aggressor", but at the same time, the electorate will certainly ask the authorities who will send their contingents to Ukraine - if there is, to whom and from whom to ask ...

As you know, those parties that supported the NATO (American) bombing of Yugoslavia and the introduction of their contingents into Iraq and Afghanistan got a lot from the voters. Only in the case of Ukraine, the issue will be even more ambitious, because it will certainly not be possible to limit ourselves to sending one battalion “to war”, therefore, the number of “200s” will be incomparable even with the same NATO experience in Iraq.

Therefore, the Kiev theses "the whole world is with us" and "America will help us" - well, this, excuse me, is completely for the narrow-minded ...

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[Terenin]

Ruslan Khomchak, Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, also sent congratulations to the alliance, calling Ukraine “a real shield Europe ”and the entire alliance.

I already wrote that it turns out to be a translation from the English word "shield"shit, it turns out - shit
Is Khomchak right?
Who does not believe, see for yourself.

[Clear]

Ukrainian politicians: "The whole world is with us"

Usually, there are a lot of people ... at the funeral

[Obliterator]

Quote: Tatiana

For this purpose, the financial oligarchs of the US Federal Reserve have illegally pushed the sick Biden into the presidency of the United States, so that through the "silly" NOMINAL President Biden, in TACTICAL terms, to quickly achieve their STRATEGIC goals in the world.
TACTICALLY, the US FRS is not just to destroy Russia, but in fact it is a US war not only against Russia, but also against all of Europe and the countries of the BV, Central Asia, North Africa, etc. The war of the United States against everyone with ANOTHER hands and ANOTHER lives!
The strategic goal of the American financial oligarchs of the US Federal Reserve is one - this is to ACCELERATE the process of establishing a "New World Order" by them after the global military REDUCTION of the entire political map of the world by them as a result of the provocation of a BIG WAR with the DESTRUCTION in the war of all NATIONAL states, in order to then UNLIMITED control the whole world with his financial and digital REFORMATION into a concentration camp.
The fairy tale comes true!
In addition, the TMV war for the American financial oligarchs, the US Federal Reserve System solves an applied problem for them. TMV allows them to biologically utilize all so-called. "superfluous" people "whom they do not consider for themselves and for people.

Why is this conspiracy thesis here?

[Tatyana]

Quote: Obliterator

Why is this conspiracy thesis here?

The peoples must understand who, for whose interests, why and how drives them to the war to be "cannon fodder"! It was not the Soviet Union or Russia - and not the Russian people!
You need to know your enemies by sight, if you want to stay at least alive!

[Obliterator]

Quote: Tatiana

TACTICAL, the US FRS is not just to destroy Russia, but in fact it is a US war not only against Russia, but also against all of Europe and the countries of the BV, Central Asia, North Africa, etc. The war of the United States against everyone with ANOTHER hands and ANOTHER lives!
The strategic goal of the American financial oligarchs of the US Federal Reserve is one - this is to ACCELERATE the process of establishing a "New World Order" by them after the global military REDUCTION of the entire political map of the world by them as a result of the provocation of a BIG WAR with the DESTRUCTION in the war of all NATIONAL states, in order to then UNLIMITED control the whole world with his financial and digital REFORMATION into a concentration camp.

Have the Fed gentlemen published their super-villainous plans somewhere? Or do they personally share them with you?

[Vladimir Mashkov]

"The whole world is with us": three reasons why no one will stand up for Ukraine militarily in the event of a real war

Alexey is right. But - partially. USA, NATO already in Ukraine in the form of instructors, volunteers-Russophobes in Donbass, intelligence data, powerful information support and significant material and material assistance. And the participation of advisers and a number of NATO members in the blitzkrieg attempt is not ruled out without much publicity. And, of course, there will also be powerful informational anti-Russian support for Ukraine.

But the participation of US and NATO troops will not, of course.

[Pavel73]

However, this option cannot be ignored. 22.06.1941/XNUMX/XNUMX our entire country and the army were in absolute and reasonable confidence that NOW the Germans will definitely NOT attack us. Because they have no time for us, they squabble with the British, and the second front is mortally dangerous for them. This was shown by the First World War, it was repeatedly stated by Hitler himself. Everything turned into a sudden attack by the Germans and a terrible defeat of our army.

One cannot discount the possibility of the presence in the political and military leadership of the United States and NATO of well-conspiratorial madmen like Hitler, who are capable of throwing their troops into battle without thinking about the consequences.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: Pavel73

Can't discount the opportunity

I agree. You cannot exclude and take into account, you need to calculate all the options. I guess those who need to have done it. Everything is possible, even the complete refusal of the Americans to attack (unlikely). EVERYTHING depends on the will of the Americans.
We are talking about most likely today option.

[andrew42]

Where did you find conspiracy theories here? In the signboard "The store is closed for registration" you can still see the conspiracy, if you wish. Here, since 1914, all the balls have been driven into one pocket, for a hundred years there is more than enough material to draw conclusions without any conspiracy, in particular about the owners of the United States / Britain, who imagine themselves in the role of a "world" government. All the stages of the strategy are obvious - 1914, 1933, 1645, 1990, here is the truth, the result of 2014 failed with the transfer to 2024. Everything is correctly formulated - the destruction of national states, the elimination of national cultures and value systems, the dehumanization of people into reflective consumers under total information control (apotheosis - hello to Trump from Google and Twitter, there is nothing further to hide). If you lack the ability to admit it, or there is no desire, you can pinch your ears, eyes and repeat "everything is good," only that reality will not change from this.

[Obliterator]

Quote: andrew42

Where did you find conspiracy theories here?

Yes, such a gorgeous sample that at least immediately in the ward of weights and measures.

Quote: andrew42

Here, since 1914, all the balls have been driven into one pocket, for a hundred years there is more than enough material to draw conclusions without any conspiracy, in particular about the owners of the United States / Britain, imagining themselves in the role of a "world" government.

So these very conclusions will be nothing more than a figment of the imagination of an individual individual. If you are an ordinary man in the street, do not address in the circles of these same "masters of the United States / Britain", do not know their names, do not know their real (and not declared political beliefs), do not know what they communicate with each other at meetings, then it is certainly not for you to draw conclusions about their "plans" for world domination. Moreover,

Quote: andrew42

destruction of nation states

not confirmed.

Quote: andrew42

elimination of national cultures and value systems

Not confirmed. Only European white culture is under attack, everyone else has nothing to fear.

Quote: andrew42

dehumanizing people to reflective consumers under total information control (apotheosis - hello Trump from Google and Twitter, there is nothing further to hide)

The dream of any government is to fool its citizens and leave them only one information agenda, removing the opposition from the media. The Bolsheviks and German Nazis, having come to power, generally closed all newspapers, except those controlled by them. Americans before them, as before the moon, in this matter.

[EvilLion]

Is it not for the Nazis for an hour? And then you have the same Bolsheviks.

[Obliterator]

Quote: EvilLion

Is it not for the Nazis for an hour? And then you have the same Bolsheviks.

In terms of freedom of speech and freedom of the media, they were the same.

[nemez]

The Americans are before them, as before the Moon, in this matter. That is, now they are not doing this, blocking even the former president? Do you confuse warm with soft?

[andrew42]

Yes, your position is clear - "There was nothing. Nothing happened." When "in the circles of these same" masters of the United States / Britain "you yourself communicate, or they deign to inform you of their intentions, do not consider it a job, share the insider.

[Obliterator]

Quote: andrew42

Yes, your position is clear - "There was nothing. Nothing happened."

No, my position is "we don't know how it really is." At the same time, I admit that what Tatyana described may well turn out to be true.

Quote: andrew42

When "in the circles of these same" masters of the United States / Britain "you communicate yourself, or they deign to inform you of their intentions, do not consider it a job, share the insider.

It is unlikely that random people are kept there.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: andrew42

Where did you find conspiracy theories here? In the signboard "The store is closed for registration" you can still see the conspiracy, if you wish. Here, since 1914, all the balls have been driven into one pocket, for a hundred years there is more than enough material to draw conclusions without any conspiracy, in particular about the owners of the United States / Britain, who imagine themselves in the role of a "world" government. All the stages of the strategy are obvious - 1914, 1933, 1645, 1990, here is the truth, the result of 2014 failed with the transfer to 2024. Everything is correctly formulated - the destruction of national states, the elimination of national cultures and value systems, the dehumanization of people into reflective consumers under total information control (apotheosis - hello to Trump from Google and Twitter, there is nothing further to hide). If you lack the ability to admit it, or there is no desire, you can pinch your ears, eyes and repeat "everything is good," only that reality will not change from this.

Everything is correctly said. Definitely +

[Wolf]

Is it conspiracy for you ???

[Tatyana]

In fact, the issue with Ukraine is not at all easy for NATO members in the civil war in Ukraine against the Russian population in the Luhansk region and Donbass and for the genocide of Russians in general in Ukraine itself. Namely.

After all, exactly The United States, for its national interests, with a whip of sanctions, is driving the whole of Europe, and not just Kiev, into the war between Ukraine and Russia, but also Poland, Tribaltia, Bulgaria, Moldova, Romania, as well as Georgia! Germany! And even Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, including Turkey!
And the decrepit mind and body Biden in this business is the tenth water on jelly! What the financial oligarchs of the US Federal Reserve will order Biden, he will do!

The mentally ill Biden was illegitimately pushed into the US presidency by the financial oligarchs of the US Federal Reserve System, so that through the "silly" NOMINAL President Biden, in TACTICAL terms, to quickly achieve their STRATEGIC goals in the world.
TACTICALLY, the US FRS is not just to destroy Russia, but in fact it is a US war not only against Russia, but also against all of Europe and the countries of the BV, Central Asia, North Africa, etc. The war of the United States against everyone with ANOTHER hands and ANOTHER lives!
STRATEGIC goal the American financial oligarchs of the US Federal Reserve System have one - it is ACCELERATING the process of establishing a "New World Order" by them after the global military REDUCTION of the entire political map of the world by them as a result of the provocation of a BIG WAR with the DESTRUCTION in the war of all NATIONAL states so that they themselves then UNLIMITED manage the whole world with its financial and digital REFORMATION into a concentration camp.
The fairy tale comes true!
In addition, TMV war for American financial oligarchs, the US Federal Reserve System also solves an applied problem for them. TMV allows them to biologically utilize all the so-called. "superfluous" people "whom they do not consider for themselves and for people.

In general, only the so-called "go you useful for the United States" will go to the war between the United States and Russia from the NATO countries!

[Tatyana]

It is necessary to clearly understand what is the purpose of the CIVIL war of the junta Kiev with the Russian population in the South-East of Ukraine and in Ukraine in general. Who are these driving forces among the citizens of Ukraine themselves and why are they precisely ethnic in nature? After all, not only local oligarchs and Ukrainian nationalists, but also Zionists led by Washington, are involved in the question of the future post-war structure in Ukraine.

For example, how the Ukrainian Zionist Igor Berkut, the leader of the Great Ukraine party for the settlement in Ukraine, sees the prerequisites for the present state of Ukraine for the future transformation of Ukraine into "Heavenly Jerusalem" (Israel-2)
REFERENCE
Igor Berkut (Gekko) - Ukrainian political and public figure, author of the idea of ​​transferring part of Ukraine to Jews.Igor Berkut - a veteran of the war in Afghanistan, intelligence officer, specialist in the fight against terrorism in the financial sector of the economy - talks about snipers on the Maidan, the role of the oligarchs and the Right Sector, the legitimacy of the military junta, the subversive activities of the SMRAD, about the events around Crimea and other issues ...
At the expense of a grant received under the program for former military personnel, in 1991-92. received a financial education in Russia and the USA. In July 1993 Igor Gekko (now Berkut), jointly with his American partner Gregory Knowle Studer registered TEXAKABANK JSC in Kazakhstan. Moreover, Studer owned almost 90% of the shares, and Gekko - 9,7%.

Second, the Hillary Clinton, as the head of the US Department of State, during his presidential election campaign also talked about the plans of the US State Department for the future of Ukraine.
She said that Ukraine, with its climate and fertile lands, is suitable for the resettlement of Americans for permanent residence in connection with the danger of the eruption of the Yellowstone volcano, which could demolish the United States. But at the same time in Ukraine there should not be more than 20 million of the population - along with the Americans resettled there. And those "extra" Ukrainians who will not be destroyed by the civil war and who themselves do not emigrate from the country according to the plans of the US State Department, simply will be evicted to North Africa and the BV countries.

And who is the "extra" population in Ukraine who will not be destroyed by the war in Ukraine? After all among the rank and file in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, ethnic Russians account for 80%! 80% !!! And ordinary Jews are not there.
И these ethnic Russian fools - marginals with brainwashed by Bandera - as part of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, they fight for SELF-DESTROY as "cannon fodder" for alien ethnic national interests absolutely alien to them and absolutely hostile to them against their own ethnic Russians in the DLNR!
These deceived Ukrainian marginalized Russians have absolutely no future of their own in Ukraine! Clinton has already said where the US State Department will send them later.

The Voice of Zionism. Ukraine will have enough 5 million inhabitants to dispose of the rest. Igor Berkut. year 2012

[Xnumx vis]

In vain you touched God's chosen ones ... now a squeal and a stench will rise They will accuse you of all the sins of the world and hell ...

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Tatiana

And the decrepit mind and body Biden in this business is the tenth water on jelly!

Reading yours, opus was drinking jelly at that time (a purely Russian drink!) And almost choked ... Looking into the glass at the trembling jelly ... It seemed to me. that this is Biden .. not by nightfall he will remember Ugh, ugh, ugh ...

[Tatyana]

Quote: 30 vis

Quote: Tatiana

And the decrepit mind and body Biden in this business is the tenth water on jelly!

Reading your opus, I was drinking jelly (a purely Russian drink!) And almost choked ... Looking into the glass at the trembling jelly ... It seemed to me. that this is Biden .. not by nightfall he will remember Ugh, ugh, ugh ...

I honestly didn't want to scare you with Biden on jelly for the night!
I won’t be like that anymore!

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Tatiana

Quote: 30 vis

Quote: Tatiana

And the decrepit mind and body Biden in this business is the tenth water on jelly!

Reading your opus, I was drinking jelly (a purely Russian drink!) And almost choked ... Looking into the glass at the trembling jelly ... It seemed to me. that this is Biden .. not by nightfall he will remember Ugh, ugh, ugh ...

I honestly didn't want to scare you with Biden on jelly for the night!
I won’t be like that anymore!

Thank you ... Kissel poured into the toilet!

[Akuzenka]

Usually, there are a lot of people ... at crying funerals

And when dividing the property of the deceased.

[vladimirvn]

Advertising of the funeral services salon:
Hurry up! Discounts until the end of the month!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Terenin

Is Khomchak right?
Who does not believe, see for yourself.

Khomchuk is right - "not the one that protects, but the one that sits."

[kig]

Quote: Terenin

translation from English of the word "shield"

The word "shield" in English doesn't look like that at all, Mr. Terenin. And, unfortunately, the Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine used exactly the right word. So your chuckle looks stupid.

[codexgigas]

Shield-shield

[AC130 Gunship]

Well, you never know what words in different languages ​​are pronounced in the same way. In a real translation from Russian to English, shield = shield. Curious about the difference?

[indy424]

I suspect that only the one who taught English in a Soviet school turns out this way

[Archon]

It looks somehow disrespectful to the Russian language.

[Holuay T.O]

I think the Patriot air defense systems have already been deployed, the supply of Javelins has been increased, the electronic warfare has definitely been deployed ... And this is already a lot
And I'm sure that their MTR from the Green Berets will definitely fight under the guise of a private military company
All private military companies are Green Berets from the MTR

[Lech from Android.]

Have you ordered the coffins?

[Uncle lee]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Have you ordered the coffins?

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Have you ordered the coffins?

So dig in .. As usual dog shit!

[GEOID]

What is the period in the OMRPSN?

[Herman 4223]

Who will exchange the elite for conscripts and conscripts? Patriots money is not small and they need to be served. In the shortest possible time, it will not work to train local meat on it.

[saigon]

So the SSO and SSO went to attack the world, so what can this super SSO oppose to a deployed motorized rifle battalion, with all means of support in a direct collision?
That's just as cool as the hell for the army to keep the vegetables, type SSO and all the victory in your pocket.
Our mountain company (not badly trained and dragged, all of the dischargers in various sports) would have been unwound on the plain by a motorized rifle company because of a simple thing like a scrap - fiery superiority.

[Holuay T.O]

Azerbaijan won a victory thanks to the MTR, the regiments opposed them there, and the MTR captured Shusha, apart from the main forces, 200 km away, the commander of the MTR and not the chief of staff or the Minister of Defense reported all victories to Aliyev.
The tactics are changing, with spikes and javelins, raid operations bring success, not heavy units

[saigon]

Dear about what 200 km separation from the main forces are you talking about?
There, just the terrain near Shushi is not for tanks, but don't change tactics, however, the terrain before the operation is still studied as thoughtfully.
The Donbass landscape has some important differences from the region where military operations were conducted in the confrontation between Azerbaijan and Armenia.

[Yury zaloga]

A motorized rifle battalion has a good cannon round or missile from the SRZO. At worst, an aerial bomb. And don't weave MTR here. They will have other important tasks that they will carry out with flying colors.

[andrew42]

So it is so. Only now, no one will put up the MTR against the MSB. It's like stoking the stove with banknotes. There will be no more front-to-front war, except perhaps in the theater of operations of the 3rd world countries with archaic armed forces. The means of delivery of destructive weapons and the transfer of subunits have changed dramatically. So without the MTR, nowhere, the question of whose MTR will get the first to the headquarters, supply bases and strategic facilities of the enemy.

[Pensive Lawyer]

Your statement is true for wars between the strong and the weak, such as the United States against third world countries.
The strategic facility, the supply base, and even more so the headquarters are well protected, and several fighters here can only cope in a computer game.
More fighters - high probability of detection. Delivering them is also not an option - in the event of a war, there will be no flights over our border, well, a lone board will quickly arouse suspicion.
Add to this our scope, with the distance of objects 200-300 km from each other. Add in the enemy's lack of overwhelming superiority to disperse the front line.

No, in my opinion, such a war will be either positional, if suddenly the sun rises in the west and Ukraine will really help, or our art will simply turn their positions into mince, which will then pass to us empty. Cluster munitions, which we did not forbid ourselves to use by signing the relevant international agreements, will help us.

[Dimka75]

What a request for a war on the site. Through one publication. So, with the beginning of hostilities, the Okraintsy will not last until May 2.

[Lech from Android.]

Well, excuse me ... the patriots did not live up to your expectations.

[Overlock]

Quote: Dimka75

What a request for a war on the site. Through one publication.

Food for the imagination must be tossed on! The theme of Ukraine is eternal. Competition of wit or not wit, but something else

[Yngvar]

Ukraine (authorities) - a pipette imagining itself as a big enema ... The USA will "finish" the last one and throw it into the trash as used product No. 2. Who will fight for the trash heap? Plainly and there is nothing to dispose of, they themselves will rot!

[Cananecat]

In 14, when everything was just beginning, I had a suspicion that the kaklov would be like in Poland in the 90s ... now I don’t understand whether the Poles turned out to be somewhat smarter than the kaklov, or if the kakli were booming merry Polish times. ..

[prior]

If earlier the Eastern European countries participating in the Warsaw Pact served as a kind of buffer between the USSR and NATO countries, now the situation has turned 180 degrees. The same Eastern European countries again serve as a buffer, but now between Russia and the old NATO members.
Why does NATO need another gasket in the form of Ukraine?
Maintain, feed, rearm or, God forbid, defend and fight for Ukraine? Please dismiss.
To help with weapons, to say encouraging words, to push on an adventure - yes. And in NATO - I'm sorry.
So, by herself, by herself, by herself ...

[Brturin]

Quote: prior

To help with weapons, to say encouraging words, to push on an adventure - yes. And in NATO - I'm sorry.

NATO may be, but some NATO countries may want to "protect" their citizens

[Yngvar]

Yeah! Poland really wants to "protect" its ... uh-uh slaves, along with the territory! And Romanians will be glad too! Hungarians also grab a thread ...

[rocket757]

"The whole world is with us": three reasons why no one will stand up for Ukraine militarily in the event of a real war

Yes, yes, but is "the whole world" hto? where and when did he stand up for someone? It would be funny if it weren't even funnier.

[cniza]

This is the slogan for cannon fodder ...

[rocket757]

You can't cover yourself with slogans from a bullet, a projectile, a bomb!

[cniza]

Not everyone wants to take this seriously, some people think that nothing bad will happen to them ...

[rocket757]

It is already useless to discuss this, because this is absolutely a clinic.

[cniza]

That's just the point, and also spring, a period of exacerbation ...

[rocket757]

Well, yes, there all the political "snowdrops" crawl out and speak ... that's just they are such nonsense, but people who think long ago would have understood everything.

[Dimide]

The author contradicts himself, then no one will fight for Ukraine, then the loss of the military personnel of the NATO contingent.
An article for complacency

[Jcvai]

An important nuance: not now, because they are not ready, it is dangerous, scary, etc.
But as soon as "knocks", any pretext will be found, which the border Nazis can become.
At one time, it was enough to wave a test tube with your own analyzes to start an invasion of a third-party state. It is clear that later it all boiled down to the slogans "why is our oil lying under their sand", but this is post factum, the losses cannot be returned.

[Aleksandr97]

It would certainly be 1-2-3. But given the economic peak in the United States, and their sweet memories of what the United States was like before World Wars 2 and what after !! For the United States to arrange a world massacre for absolutely any reason, in order to emerge from it as an economic winner and hegemon, for the sake of this Ukraine, the EU - not even chess pieces, but only dust under their feet ...
A provocation such as MH-17 is an example of how the United States dragged the EU into a sanctions regime against Russia, they can repeat something similar: planes fly, ships sail in the Black Sea ...

[Herman 4223]

Ukraine is a controlled state-weapon that can be used against us or some other state bordering on it.
Many will be happy about his elimination, because it is clear to everyone that where the owner will direct his gun there it will shoot. And being next to him is dangerous.

[Valter1364]

It is not necessary to write about this. Here it is just clear that no one will fight for Ukraine. They do not need Ukraine in order to fight Russia themselves. The states need a rogue country, an enemy country! And using Ukraine and its Armed Forces, they will try to make this enemy out of Russia. And Ukraine does not decide anything. This is not a country, it is an instrument against the Russian Federation. And the promises from NATO are only to make it easier for a Ukrainian soldier to die.

[Simfy]

Militarily, how is it? Arms deliveries, financial, informational and political assistance - don't count?
here is the link posted today on VO on the main page
https://topcor.ru/19349-ssha-i-turcija-perebrasyvajut-neizvestnye-gruzy-na-ukrainu.html
do you think this is military aid, or just "cookies"

[SVD68]

There is a zero reason.
For so many years Ukraine has been formatted by the United States so that Ukraine instead of the Americans fought with the Russians, and not vice versa.

[cniza]

This is not zero, this is the main reason ...

[Undecim]

In the highly professional language of Damantsev, thematic monitoring of analytical materials of the expert-propaganda community of the VO website allows even without resorting to iteration to aggregate the following matrix of the state of the situation.
1. Ukraine does not want to fight.
2. Ukraine cannot fight.
3. Army of Ukraine - a rabble of alcoholics and drug addicts who scatter at the first nix.
4. The economy of Ukraine is destroyed and plundered.
5. The population of Ukraine is a crowd of khataskrayniks, which either scattered across the geyropes to carry out the pots or drag out a miserable half-starved existence and are not capable of offering any resistance.
6. Nobody in the world will help Ukraine under any guise.
7. Russia is not afraid of any sanctions, they only benefit it.
8. It is necessary to resolve the Ukrainian issue.
A question to local propagandistic experts - what is holding back the solution of this issue in such a favorable combination of circumstances ?!

[Black lotos]

Quote: Undecim

A question to local propagandistic experts - what is holding back the solution of this issue in such a favorable combination of circumstances ?!

HPP and the Klyaty West / masons, Jews / FRS / reptilians .. substitute what you need.
At Murid's, they considered it. Propaganda is opium for the people, and information is for reason. Whoever loves it and sees it.

[Odysseus]

Regarding the intervention of NATO countries in case of war.
1) USA - intelligence, anti-aircraft missiles, javelins, communications and guidance. Soldiers, no, PMCs, no, air defense systems, no.
2) Turkey - UAV operators, ammunition. There is information about the Turkish brigade, they do not correspond to reality.
3) Eastern European NATO countries - old ammunition for Soviet weapons, volunteers from Poland.
4) All other NATO countries, in military terms, nothing.
In case of unfavorable development of events for Ukraine, something like a NATO peacekeeping brigade will enter the territory of Ukraine, but not the territory of Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
And the main intervention of NATO countries is not military, but economic and political. In the event of a war (which will be interpreted as "aggression" of the Russian Federation against Ukraine), they will threaten / impose crippling sanctions.

[cniza]

Therefore, the Kiev theses "the whole world is with us" and "America will help us" - well, this, excuse me, is completely for the narrow-minded ...

Only the most stubborn do not understand this, but no one will ask those who understand ...

[iouris]

Whether or not to join is not the point. The expectation that the burden of accompanying problems will finally drown the Russian Federation, Russia will disappear as a factor and turn into space. The war is provoked not by Ukraine (it does not exist), but by the United States. The retaliatory strike should be made against the United States.

[Valter1364]

Extremely crisp and clear!

Quote: Odyssey

Regarding the intervention of NATO countries in case of war.
1) USA - intelligence, anti-aircraft missiles, javelins, communications and guidance. Soldiers, no, PMCs, no, air defense systems, no.
2) Turkey - UAV operators, ammunition. There is information about the Turkish brigade, they do not correspond to reality.
3) Eastern European NATO countries - old ammunition for Soviet weapons, volunteers from Poland.
4) All other NATO countries, in military terms, nothing.
In case of unfavorable development of events for Ukraine, something like a NATO peacekeeping brigade will enter the territory of Ukraine, but not the territory of Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
And the main intervention of NATO countries is not military, but economic and political. In the event of a war (which will be interpreted as "aggression" of the Russian Federation against Ukraine), they will threaten / impose crippling sanctions.

[BAI]

Therefore, the Kiev theses "the whole world is with us" and "America will help us" - well, this, excuse me, is completely for the narrow-minded ...

And in Ukraine there are almost no others left. Those who remembered a single state - the USSR, are dying out every day. The new generation sees an enemy in Russia. And soon it will be 100% of Ukrainians.

[garik77]

Worst of all, the 404 is controlled by a completely non-independent clown. This is even worse than the chocolate oligarch. Even after a couple of boilers, he understood that the third cauldron could be in Kueva and the warlike ardor for a while faded, and Zela did not have her own boilers, so this muck may well start a war in the hope of "the whole world with us" Of course, he will receive a star, but many people will die unfortunately. In general, it was necessary to finish off 404 back in 2015, go to the Dnieper and create a full-fledged Novorossiya. Now we will have to do the same, only much more forces will be required and, accordingly, the war will be bloodier.

[babylon]

The main thing in this conflict is "unless of course they risk it" not to let the maydan authorities go over the hill and try not in The Hague but in Ukraine by the people's court

[TatarinSSSR]

There is a stalemate here. The moment was really missed back in 2014. And now, if Ukraine moves troops to Donbass, or for Russia in any case it is bad, no matter how it does. One hope for the troops of the LDNR. After all, if they fail, then Russia will have to intervene. And either bring peacekeepers into the territory of a neighboring state without UN sanction (consider an invasion), wedging them in between the belligerents, or start a full-scale war with Ukraine on its territory - striking the advancing troops and other targets in depth responsible for the offensive. And this is the wild screeching of the West and the United States, which is exactly what is trying to - to finally brand Russia as an aggressor and an outcast to the whole world. The peacekeepers of the Russian Federation are not a panacea, their non-recognition of this status by Ukraine and the West will allow the independent to attack them, receiving the approval of the owners. This means that Russia will be forced to defend them in the same way, to attack the Ukrainian forces. Again aggression on foreign territory. And here, as in 2008, it will not work. During these six years lost by Russia, Ukraine was well prepared for the war, including intelligence, which Georgia did not have. Of course, Russia will stop the army of Ukraine, but it will itself suffer losses and become an aggressor for the whole world. With all that it implies. This has already been prepared in advance by the West. If Russia does not intervene directly, limiting itself to volunteers and old equipment for the LPNR, then the chance for them to withstand is critically small, and the losses of the defenders of Donbass will be enormous. Which means serious problems inside the country, part of the Russian population will not understand such actions of the Kremlin and will not forgive the surrender of Donbass. And then, in a couple of years, provocations and aggression against Crimea will begin.

[andrew42]

It will be too late for Russia to intervene in the course of the play. Ukro-Wehrmacht must be leveled at the first steps of the offensive, with all that is. Parts of the LPNR are needed for a counter-offensive on the ground, preferably to the Dnieper. After all, a healthy Ukraine should fight the brutalized Bandera Ukraine, at least in the form of Donbass, and there may be other areas that will catch up. And if you chew the denouement of hostilities, then there will be no stalemate, but a matte situation both for the LPR and for Russia in the form of an endless war under sanctions. If Zelensky, overcoming fears, decides to rush to the LPNR, it is already ridiculous to consider the economy, - sanctions will be in any case, we will get both war and shame. Everything will be decided by the response time of Russia, the faster - the fewer problems and consequences, and then you see, UkrGTS will grunt, and you will not be able to refuse SP-2. It would be a pity to catch Kuev's junta for the trial, but it is unlikely to work. However, there is a ghostly hope that the Kiev junta will not have enough spirit at the last minute, but it will still be a matter of time. Raised for war, they will definitely pounce.

[TatarinSSSR]

This is exactly what the United States is trying to achieve, namely the intervention of Russian troops. For the whole world it will be an aggression against a sovereign state, Russia will become an aggressor. It will be kicked out of the UN Security Council, from all important sites, and even Germany will be forced to abandon Nord Stream 2. Then there will be the toughest sanctions against Russia. This is why all this provocation is being prepared. Rejection of SP2 and Russia as an aggressor and outcast.

[andrew42]

Nothing good here. All options are bad. When the lives of the living people of Donbass are at stake, don't give a damn about the UN, and the sanctions, and the SP-2 all the more, - we ourselves need to develop national productive forces, and not drive the rivers across the cordon for the benefit of the bourgeoisie close to the "anpirator" To abandon the Donbass is to abandon the national Russian identity, which is not particularly welcomed by our guarantors anyway. Then it will be possible to say, everything, the Russians are over, they will no longer be there - a couple of generations and forget about this people.

[Tagan]

Quote: Holuay T.O.

I think the Patriot air defense systems have already been deployed, the supply of Javelins has been increased, the electronic warfare has definitely been deployed ... And this is already a lot
And I'm sure that their MTR from the Green Berets will definitely fight under the guise of a private military company
All private military companies are Green Berets from the MTR

So, what is next?
Do you think that these "super warriors" in your understanding did not appear in Ukraine before? Moreover, they disappeared there. Have you not heard? The safari did not work out. I had to drive third-rate members (Baltos in the face of Poles and others like that). But no one will count these.

[Jaromir]

three reasons why no one will stand up for Ukraine militarily in the event of a real war

One reason is enough. The reason is that the West has already done everything it wanted to with Ukraine. Ukrainian industry and economy have been destroyed. It is not realistic to restore Ukraine in a short time. And the West doesn't give a damn about the collaborators in Kiev.

[andrew42]

This is how the notorious West trampled ((through its puppets) Ukraine into poverty) so that the reformatted descendants of the great Ukrainian people would have no other occupation but to fight with Russia.

[nikvic46]

Ukraine everywhere emphasizes its importance. Say, the whole world thinks only of her dear. If there is a war, then everyone on the European continent will lose. Only America will win. For this, this is all started.

[Yury zaloga]

America? And in what way did America win with Georgia?) I don’t think so. This will be another loss for Omeriga. And this is just the beginning.

[Kronos]

Of course she stayed. Propaganda began about the aggressiveness of Russia, the pro-Western regime remained in power.

[Yury zaloga]

I can imagine how Poland is impatiently rubbing its handles) and sharpening its teeth, swallowing saliva and looking at the Lviv region)).

[vladcub]

The author, we have forgotten one more, but the most important reason: WE ARE NOT GOING TO ATTACK, and there are still sober ones in the General Staff of Ukraine.
Therefore, there will be no war. To the sadness of some

[Pereira]

Hope you're in the army? You know how to properly surrender. No? I will teach.
If you have a choice, try to surrender to the Russian occupants. There is a chance to stay alive.
If the Donetsk militias come across, the chances drop noticeably.
And if you see the Luhansk Cossacks, it is better to bite off your tail right away and die.

[Pereira]

What other mercenaries? Are you talking about those Poles who were notoriously thinned out? Yes it was. They went on the wool, but the shorn ones returned. For a long time they repulsed the desire to mercenary.
And I spoke about the population of Donbass, about those miners, metallurgists and taxi drivers who beat up your accomplices - the Nazi trash, like Sidorov's goat.
Givi and Motorola got their fame. They will be remembered for generations and equal to them
And those who are hidden from their names are drowning in harem pants.

[Pereira]

New Russia has nothing to do with Ukrainians. Russian people live there. This is patriotism not for a new homeland, but for his own country, called Russia. And Russia is much more than the current Russian Federation. Learn history. Although what I mean, what a history in Ukraine! Uncle Remus's Tales.
And Ukrainian soldiers are partly at war because they were mobilized, partly to steal and plunder. The ideological backbone is made up of historical losers with a monstrous inferiority complex and envy of more developed neighbors. Only gypsies can be considered less developed than puppies. And even then, the Chavels sleep more beautifully.
And how ukrovoyaks are fighting the whole world saw in 14-15 years.
From svidomo warrior, like a bullet from the line.

[TatarinSSSR]

Yes, this is again a provocateur appeared under a new nickname, do not react.

[Pereira]

But what about poking your nose into his own handful? Sinful, I love this business.
This is not a provocateur, this is a fighter of the ideological front. Among his own, he is probably considered a very erudite, intelligent and resourceful opponent.
THERE no one can argue with him. I decided to try the strength HERE. But I didn't calculate.

[Bolt cutter]

Who needs war and refugees in Europe?

Who needs Ukraine in Europe? Refugees from your parts of Europe are driven wet rags.

[TermNachTer]

To the above, we can add that the Kuevo strategists should not rely on Banderaffen either))) this is the fourth and main reason)))

[nikvic46]

Quote: Yury Zaloga

America? And in what way did America win with Georgia?) I don’t think so. This will be another loss for Omeriga. And this is just the beginning.

Usually, whoever instigates a fight always wins, at least morally. I do not think that America will lose at least one soldier in a clash between Ukraine and Russia; it will only rub its hands with pleasure.

[Igor Gul]

Ukrainian politicians: "The whole world is with us"

Forgot to add: "mentally")

[Antagonist]

Therefore, the Kiev theses "the whole world is with us" and "America will help us" - well, this, excuse me, is completely for the narrow-minded ...

The authorities in Ukraine are those very narrow-minded and inadequate ...

[Yuri Stepanov]

Interestingly, and we will also drive gas and oil to Europe, when will they start fighting with us? Or again "this is business - nothing personal."

[alexey alexeyev_2]

There will be of course. The USSR supplied Japan with oil almost until the surrender thereof. Believe it or not, the Germans up to 42 were fulfilling pre-war orders from the USSR.

[alexey alexeyev_2]

I wonder what he will chew, a tie or what he played on the piano?

[yehat2]

I am strained by a completely different question - why, over the past few years, starting a war has become like blowing your nose, as if it were a common thing, like seasonal discounts on cucumbers?
Why does the local population in Ukraine not protest in the strongest possible way even at a hint of escalation of conflicts on the border?
Why is there not a single tribunal after the end of hostilities?
Whether in Syria, in Ossetia, or in the Donbass, the warmongers are not at all responsible.
Why has violence gone unpunished? Israelis have staged a bounty hunt in Iran and bombed Syria. Was at least one punished for this? The United States is also engaged in assassinations and receives rocket attacks on bases in response. Azerbaijan, Armenia, Turkey - there are dozens of war criminals there. Have you punished at least one?

[babylon]

The whole world is who exactly "read out the entire list please"

[APASUS]

The task of the Americans is to involve Russia in a military conflict. They will come to the rescue and the war will go to the last Ukrainian, Pole, Romanian, Estonian. It was this cannon fodder that was invited to NATO for work, dirty work ........... ........

[Wolf]

3 The reason why the West will be at war with Russia until the last zombie Russian who IS CALLED UKRAINIAN OR Ukrainian, OR KRANIAN OR KRAYISHNIK IN TRANSLATION TO TODAY'S LANGUAGE OF SLAVS IS THE BORDER GUARD !!! THESE WHICH PROTECT THE BORDER !!!
THERE IS A LOT OF PROOF THAT ALTSHEIMER BEIDEN TE. A DEEP FYNANCIAL STRUCTURE OF THE WEST WILL CHARGE UKRAINE INTO A WAR WITH RUSSIA LIKE THEIR ZOMBIED A DOG, AND THAT THIS WAR WILL HAVE A LONG TIME AND WITH MANY CORPSES !!!
THEIR BEGINNING THOUGHTS AND LOGIC IN COMPLETELY DIFFERENCE ONE NORMAL LUDY IS A PSYCHOPATE WHO SHOULD BE SITUATED IN A DURDO COLLECTIVE !!!
LIVE YOU WERE !!!
P.S. As for the zombie border guard, the west will fight with Russia to the last border guard in Krajina !!!

[Li17]

what did you smell?

[Diverter]

Alternatively, the author is right. But there is another option. There are many brainwashed units in the 404. and there are such in pshekia and turkey and are scattered throughout geyrope. Their existence is a problem and an inconvenience for everyone. They can and take risks in order to dispose of this waste

[Li17]

the NASH channel was closed, or rather transferred to another satellite. The most interesting thing is that all my colleagues and relatives believe that they will be helped! Talk to them ....., I think they will come to their senses when they get in the teeth or from their partners or ....

[Fisherman]

The Germans rule in the EU, for them the conflict between NATO and Russia on the territory of the ruins with the transfer to the neighbors - the collapse of the EU unity, the collapse of the EU's economic advantage due to inexpensive and stable Russian supplies of raw materials ... German business will quickly hang the Chancellor by the legs and send the Yankees to hell with their "sanctions". For American "fines" to German business or the complete collapse of a business are different levels!

[AC130 Gunship]

I am against the war. And against people dying. But if (God forbid) it comes to this, I hope that the generals planning the operation will be smarter than those who sent a Tu2008 scout directly to the Georgian air defense zone in 22.