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"This is a good way": Elon Musk gave advice to Russian developers of space technology

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American billionaire Elon Musk, founder and owner of SpaceX, made a recommendation to Russian rocket designers. He made a corresponding entry on his Twitter page.


Elon Musk, who, by the way, is closely following the development of the Russian space industry, commented on the project of the Amur-LNG launch vehicle, which provides for a reusable first stage. According to the owner of SpaceX, this is a good project, but Russian engineers need to strive to create fully reusable rockets.

This is a good path, but I recommend aiming for full reusability.

- reads the entry on the page of the Mask.

Let us recall that Russia is developing a two-stage medium-class missile "Amur" with a reversible first stage. Currently, the development is at the stage of preliminary design.

It is planned that Amur-LNG will be equipped with an RD-0169 engine running on oxygen and liquefied methane. As planned by the developers, the rocket will launch 9,5 tons into low-earth orbit with the reusable first stage and 12 tons with a single one, into the geo-transfer orbit - 2,5 tons using the Fregat upper stage and the reusable stage.

It is planned to use the Vostochny cosmodrome to launch the new rocket. Amur-LNG should enter the flight test stage in 2026.
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  1. Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash April 5 2021 11: 03
    -17%
    If the enemy praises, it's suspicious, at least!
    1. Cananecat
      Cananecat April 5 2021 11: 13
      +11
      Everyone has their own way to space. Let him praise and advise anything.
    2. Terenin
      Terenin April 5 2021 11: 17
      -7
      "This is a good way": Elon Musk gave advice to Russian developers of space technology

      Elon, stop surfing the Internet, do not distract, and go yourself ... work yes
      1. Civil
        Civil April 5 2021 11: 29
        +22
        Quote: Sasha from Uralmash
        If the enemy praises, it's suspicious, at least!

        1. Since when has Elon Musk been an enemy of Russia, except for Rogozin.
        2. By your logic, Albert Einstein is also an enemy, since he lived and worked in Germany and the USA. And everything from Nikola Tesla to Andrey Geim with Konstantin Novoselov.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin April 5 2021 11: 42
          +19
          Quote: Civil
          1. Since when has Elon Musk been an enemy of Russia, except for Rogozin.
          A competitor, at least. With all that it implies ...

          Quote: Civil
          2. According to your logic, Albert Einstein is an enemy ...
          Let his contemporaries - G. Minkowski and Henri Poincaré - investigate the authorship of Einstein. There is a showdown - be healthy winked
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 April 5 2021 22: 16
            +1
            Quote: Terenin
            A competitor, at least. With all that it implies.

            Healthy competition is beneficial.
            More incentives for development. Yes, and different approaches. And also cheaper and more efficient.
            1. Terenin
              Terenin April 6 2021 09: 57
              +3
              Quote: Shurik70
              Quote: Terenin
              A competitor, at least. With all that it implies.

              Healthy competition is beneficial.
              More incentives for development. Yes, and different approaches. And also cheaper and more efficient.

              I am in favor, but healthy and Americans, this is something new.
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        3. smart ass
          smart ass April 5 2021 13: 09
          -4
          Ehhh russia at least a couple of elon masks
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter April 5 2021 13: 16
            -4
            Quote: Clever man
            Ehhh russia at least a couple of elon masks

            That's right.
          2. ccsr
            ccsr April 5 2021 13: 44
            +2
            Quote: Clever man
            Ehhh russia at least a couple of elon masks

            He would quickly leave you without your pants, tk. our Roskosmos exists for budget money, and Musk also loves to suck money from the pockets of American taxpayers. By the way, you apparently did not pay attention to the fact that the real cost of putting a kilogram of cargo into orbit was 4,5-6 times more, according to NASA, than Musk reported. So we will not only pull a couple, but even one Mask will not pull - you will have to put up with it ...
            1. Cosm22
              Cosm22 April 5 2021 17: 20
              +2
              How interesting is the way poor Americans pay taxes (government tax) to a private company?
              Are you all right with logic?
              1. ccsr
                ccsr April 5 2021 18: 27
                +6
                Quote: Cosm22
                How interesting is the way poor Americans pay taxes (government tax) to a private company?

                Elementary - through funding ordered by NASA, or government payments (tax cuts, preferential land sales) to companies that participate in Musk's programs.
                Quote: Cosm22
                Are you all right with logic?

                Do you even know how space development in the world is financed?
                1. Cosm22
                  Cosm22 April 5 2021 19: 09
                  +4
                  Are we talking about the world or the relationship between NASA and Spaces?
                  Yes, the agency is forced to pay Musk because it needs his services.
                  But in the same way, NASA "funds" Boeing and Lockheed Martin through ULA. Only for some reason constantly depriving the Mask of orders and money.
                  And why shouldn't NASA pay Musk money if the agency uses Musk's own spacecraft and Spaces? Likewise, the Ministry of Defense pays money to Musk for, for example, a contract for the creation of missile warning satellites. If the same Pentagon uses the services of a private owner, should he pay him money or not?
                  But what does the attempt to tie Musk to taxes have to do with it?
                  Is Musk distributing the US budget?
                  Or is it done by other people and authorities? Distributing taxes to citizens, based on the need and expediency?
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr April 5 2021 19: 30
                    +1
                    Quote: Cosm22
                    Is Musk distributing the US budget?

                    No, it is the Americans who pour money into it from the budget for the sake of prestige, after all, after the failure of the shuttles, it is necessary to spin something up. But if there is a failure, NASA will be discouraged from it, because they will write off everything on the Mask - all this is understandable to any literate person.
                    1. Cosm22
                      Cosm22 April 5 2021 19: 48
                      +3
                      But excuse me, the fact that Mars rovers are crawling across Mars is a detailed study of distant planets, asteroids and even galaxies (and this alone is enough for prestige) Musk has not yet had a direct relationship.
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr April 5 2021 20: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: Cosm22
                        But excuse me, to the fact that Mars rovers are crawling on Mars, there is a detailed study of distant planets, asteroids and even galaxies

                        Yes, for God's sake, let them crawl, so what does it matter to us. The question is, when will Musk land the astronauts on the moon? Can you voice your forecast?
                        Quote: Cosm22
                        (and this alone is enough for prestige)

                        Two ditched shuttle crews and the shameful closure of this program - that's all the prestige of America.
              2. Usher
                Usher April 5 2021 23: 08
                0
                Quote: Cosm22
                How interesting is the way poor Americans pay taxes (government tax) to a private company?
                Are you all right with logic?

                Have you fallen from the moon? SpiceX is funded by the state budget. The company is unprofitable. If you didn't know.
              3. mister-red
                mister-red April 6 2021 22: 04
                +1
                [/ quote] [quote = Cosm22] Is it interesting how poor Americans pay taxes (government tax) to a private company?
                Are you all right with logic?

                Everything is fine with his logic. The state order is coming out of the pocket of taxpayers.
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter April 5 2021 19: 37
              0
              Quote: ccsr
              So we will not only pull a couple, but even one Mask will not pull - you will have to put up with it ...

              Those. you say that we pull Michelson, Potanin, Mordashov, Lisin, Vrotenberg, Deripaska, but we don't understand the Mask?
              1. ccsr
                ccsr April 5 2021 19: 44
                +2
                Quote: Stroporez
                Those. you say that we pull Michelson, Potanin, Mordashov, Lisin, Vrotenberg, Deripaska, but we don't understand the Mask?

                Because there are so many of them, we cannot afford Mask in any way - our budget is not like that of the United States.
          3. Incvizitor
            Incvizitor April 5 2021 13: 53
            +9
            There is already a similar one, the name of Chubais, he also dragged the dough from the budget and zero sense, but it would be better if he did not exist.
          4. Geek
            Geek April 5 2021 17: 26
            -1
            .. one might think they are not, just because of nepotism and matchmaking they are not allowed to rise and turn around.
          5. volodimer
            volodimer April 5 2021 17: 35
            -3
            Never been a supporter of the Mask Witnesses. But Rogozin brought it up with his tweets. Yes, they were neighing about trampolines. But Musk will get some start. And Rogozin ... will also at least start something.
            The difference in starting potential. Musk has a practical "0", while Rogozin has the whole history of "Soviet Space".
            Musk admitted that he teaches his engineers from Soviet textbooks, and we teach ours from Western ...
            Kennedy, a pseudo-quote but it contains a lot: "The USSR won the space race at the school desk"
            1. Usher
              Usher April 5 2021 23: 09
              +2
              Quote: volodimer
              Never been a supporter of the Mask Witnesses. But Rogozin brought it up with his tweets. Yes, they were neighing about trampolines. But Musk will get some start. And Rogozin ... will also at least start something.
              The difference in starting potential. Musk has a practical "0", while Rogozin has the whole history of "Soviet Space".
              Musk admitted that he teaches his engineers from Soviet textbooks, and we teach ours from Western ...
              Kennedy, a pseudo-quote but it contains a lot: "The USSR won the space race at the school desk"

              Since when did Musk have ZERO? All NASA experience. All employees are from NASA. What are you sculpting here?
            2. military_cat
              military_cat April 5 2021 23: 55
              +3
              Quote: volodimer
              Musk admitted that he teaches his engineers from Soviet textbooks

              This is news from the satirical site "IA Panorama".

              All texts on this site are grotesque parodies of reality and are not real news.
          6. poquello
            poquello April 5 2021 17: 41
            +3
            Quote: Clever man
            Ehhh russia at least a couple of elon masks

            )))))))))))))))))))))) Babaki come on, I'll bring them a dozen
            )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ))))))))))))))))))))))))
        4. sleeve
          sleeve April 5 2021 13: 25
          0
          There was sarcasm, well, what are you?
      2. smart ass
        smart ass April 5 2021 11: 54
        0
        You write this to Rogozin
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    3. xorek
      xorek April 5 2021 11: 25
      -7
      Quote: Sasha from Uralmash
      If the enemy praises, it's suspicious, at least!

      He praises and subtly hints at a dead end in the development of space .. We have already passed this .. You look into his eyes, this is a scoundrel PR man ..
      He personally does not develop anything, but invests and promotes money to the delight of our and world liberals .. I already understood this, after launching his car into space and then huge and beautifully exploding pipilats .. wink
      We have a serious agreement with China. hi
      Quote: Terenin
      Elon, stop surfing the Internet, do not distract, and go yourself ... work

      Here, and then the great inventor Tsialkovsky is straightforward ".. I received a lot of money from my parent and began to PR .. and beautifully, to be honest!
      And our liberdrochers are right in ecstasy from him .. For example, here he will show these Russians how to fly into space .. Well Well ..!
      1. Yves762
        Yves762 April 5 2021 11: 59
        +2
        ... The share of Russia in the world market of commercial launches (that is, paid for by customers) at the end of 2019 amounted to 24% (China - 33%, USA - 26%). This is higher than in 2018 (18%), but significantly lower than the period of 2009-2015, when the share of Russia was kept at the level of 35-40%.
        -
        Even if he does not spend his own, the result takes place (b).
        And this is in contrast to ... "The one who is ashamed to name." laughing
      2. Malyuta
        Malyuta April 5 2021 12: 09
        +2
        Quote: xorek
        .We have already gone through this .. Look in his eyes, this is that scoundrel PR man ..
        He personally does not develop anything, but invests and promotes money to the delight of our and world liberals.

        I am very sorry, but I do not understand how you can write such nonsense. Musk's rockets fly and come back and that says it all. Besides, Musk is successful in the automotive industry, google, if not lazy, his new car.
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis April 5 2021 13: 34
          +6
          Quote: Malyuta
          I am very sorry, but I do not understand how you can write such nonsense.

          Here, here ... It would be better if I gave out money to pensioners and blacks!
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 April 5 2021 12: 58
        0
        Quote: xorek
        I received a lot of money from my parent

        He did not receive nifiga from them.
      4. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter April 5 2021 13: 01
        +1
        Quote: xorek
        I already understood this, after launching his car into space and then huge and beautifully exploding pipilats ..

        Wow, yo, another couch "patriot". I remember two or three years ago, putriotic-minded citizens shouted at the top of their lungs, but without us, but on the ISS, but never, they say, we are the main cabbies, and Mask is a trampoline. Well, a couple of years have passed and we are sealing the holes in the casing of our segment with Chinese tape, our screponauts are supplied with oxygen and food, just our transport vehicle has slowed down somewhere. And Musk on the 22nd will be lucky by the next crew on a brand new ship. In vain not on the 12th, otherwise the skakuas could have slipped out of their minds, Elon regretted the "hot heads".
        PySy. "Dear gazpadya", there is no science, there is no education, and many other things have disappeared over the past 30 years.
        You see what kind of thing, there is Greatness, but there is megalomania, so there is no Greatness, but the megalomania remains. So keep on praising and boasting.
        1. zlinn
          zlinn April 5 2021 13: 08
          +2
          And Musk on the 22nd will be lucky by the next crew on a brand new ship

          so it seems even not on a new one, but on a used one from demo 2
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter April 5 2021 13: 12
            -4
            Quote: zlinn
            so it seems even not on a new one, but on a used one from demo 2

            I mean that we fly on the Korolev rocket, and it is already fifty years old.
            1. Split
              Split April 5 2021 17: 17
              +3
              But no one has been flying on f1 for half a century.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 5 2021 22: 21
                -2
                Since F1 is obsolete and technologically the same - it was created for a super-heavy rocket and for no other.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr April 6 2021 11: 18
                  +1
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Since F1 is obsolete and technologically the same - it was created for a super-heavy rocket and for no other.

                  And why are they still not removing the obsolete B-52 from service?
                  Even if we assume that F1 is morally outdated, why is it not being modernized, but trying to create a new one, and even with worse characteristics? You actually understand something in engineering solutions to argue that technical progress consists in abandoning the best in favor of a worse engine. When was this in peacetime in a highly developed country?
                  1. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 April 6 2021 16: 58
                    -1
                    And why are they still not removing the obsolete B-52 from service? The engines for them were changed, and the aircraft was deeply modernized several times in view of a very successful airframe and significant modernization potential.
                    Even if we assume that F1 is morally outdated, then why is it not being modernized - It's like driving reliably on an engine with a carburetor now, but the consumption is large and not environmentally friendly - that's why new engines are created and once again for especially gifted F1 only for a super-heavy rocket created for another more powerful rocket than Saturn 5 - Nova could not be put on any other in view of the mass and dimensions, and therefore there was no point in upgrading it due to the lack of an appropriate rocket, the next Russian Railways was RS 68 on oxygen hydrogen on this the engine is still flying then made turbojet boosters and the RS 25 for the Shuttles are now producing the upgraded RS 25 for the SLS.
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr April 6 2021 20: 07
                      +1
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      m and again for especially gifted F 1 only for a super-heavy rocket was created for another more powerful rocket than Saturn 5 - Nova

                      Do not blurt out my question, but tell me - why now, when there has been a huge technical breakthrough in all industries, the Americans cannot create an engine better than F1, when they again want to fly to the Moon and Mars? Or do you think that getting astronauts to the moon and returning them back will require less withdrawal weight than it did in the sixties? It's even inconvenient to ask about Mars - so as not to be caught in a lie.
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      and for this reason, there was no point in upgrading it due to the lack of an appropriate rocket, the next Russian Railways was RS 68 on oxygen and hydrogen on this engine they still fly, then they made TTRD accelerators and RS 25

                      And what prevented the Americans from returning to F1, after the shuttle failure - did not religion allow them?
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      for the Shuttles, an upgraded RS 25 for the SLS is now being produced.

                      And that this program was revived - educate people, I have not heard something about it.
                2. Split
                  Split April 7 2021 18: 19
                  0
                  What about resonance problems?
                  Morally outdated ??? With his indicators (F1), not one has yet been created. That Korolev was in vain tormented with 1 pieces of NK 24/15? Precisely because of the resonance! And to this day, a similar engine with such a twr has not been created!
                  I generally keep quiet about the rocket cone, the spears are broken like a 911.
                  Saturn's problem is not in filming on earth and other things, but the technical basis. Nuclear reactors - exist and are being improved, 171.x - are still in use! And F1 died almost immediately, along with the dismissed 700! F. Brown's teams. Like there were no tasks? Yes, they barely launched a skylab on a pack of Belomor, let alone Soyuz-Apollo.
                  ZY The simplest guess is the most correct (c) Life. My friend graduated from rocket science, and I entered 98 to Moscow State University without exams at the Orenbursk State University for rocket science.
                  Conspiracy - in KSP for some reason there is no F1, although the game is almost a complete copy, well, with the exception of top engines ... the rest is analogs + -
            2. poquello
              poquello April 5 2021 17: 49
              +2
              Quote: Stroporez
              I mean that we fly on the Korolev rocket, and it is already fifty years old.

              and we still shoot with Kalash, darkness ..........
              1. Split
                Split April 7 2021 18: 30
                0
                The problem is not in Kalash, but in compact energy sources, while chemical ones are better (gunpowder / explosives). As soon as they can ... you will have a Laser / Plasma / Gaussian / yes at least a torsion bar (at choice wassat ) Kalashnikov assault rifle. Some kind of PAK-40 good laughing
                1. poquello
                  poquello April 7 2021 19: 12
                  0
                  Quote: Split
                  The problem is not in Kalash, but in compact energy sources,

                  the current change in the propellant components to a "compact source" does not pull in any way. A successful reliable scheme was created - they use it, either in a Kalash or in a rocket.
                  1. Split
                    Split April 7 2021 19: 30
                    0
                    It was about the Kalash. For a launch from Earth, alternative energy sources do not even exist in the foreseeable future. They say that with the weight of the Earth 2 + - times more - we would not be able to take off from the surface (super-Earth) at all!
                    The creation of laser / gauss weapons has long been possible in the presence of alternative sources tens of years ago, and with a very high energy release - and plasma. The problem of such weapons, as I mentioned above, is only in energy sources.
                    Gaus, by the way, is a very dubious thing because of the efficiency of the system as a whole, too high currents that modern materials will not withstand no matter how much the acceptable energy of a shot from a shooting size
                    1. poquello
                      poquello April 7 2021 19: 45
                      +1
                      Quote: Split
                      For a launch from Earth, alternative energy sources do not even exist in the foreseeable future.

                      - bold pessimism, well, let's see, but today we really proceed from the fact that does not exist.
                      But it was about the "old rocket", ours produce the world's best rocket engines, which are like)))))))))))))))) old
                      1. Split
                        Split April 7 2021 19: 54
                        +1
                        NU 171 and co are currently the best and are certified for reusability. I already mentioned that when starting from the ground - there are no alternatives! We can do the maximum with the high-energy ones - only chemical ones. Economical - plasma, ion, etc. - who need a colossal amount of energy and technology, we have and are applicable only in the near-sized system. It is clear that they can only deliver! cargo. Leonov himself, who says about the landing, that at 400 km he already felt the impacts of high-energy galactic particles in the white of the eye and flashes. No one will survive on them, and the protection in the design of that-ee tug is not declared (remember the old nuclear aircraft)
            3. Simargl
              Simargl April 6 2021 03: 31
              +1
              Quote: Stroporez
              and she is already fifty years old
              60+
        2. smart ass
          smart ass April 5 2021 13: 47
          -4
          Get a plus sign.
      5. Cosm22
        Cosm22 April 5 2021 17: 27
        +3
        "But is there a serious agreement with China?"
        There is no contract.
        There is a memorandum signed at the request of Russia. An insignificant and non-binding China piece of paper.
    4. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus April 5 2021 12: 16
      +1
      If the enemy praises, it's suspicious, at least!

      For example, I was taught to respect my "enemies" and if my enemy has strengths and dignity, then I do not hesitate to talk about it.
      1. Split
        Split April 5 2021 17: 23
        0
        Especially when he shoots you. Fuck, how respected and lined in the head, as shown by site inspections. With great love, satisfied with the ruins (s)
        1. Bshkaus
          Bshkaus April 5 2021 18: 34
          -1
          Especially when he shoots you.
          supply disruptions or concrete in the east is also satisfied with the enemy?
    5. Roman070280
      Roman070280 April 5 2021 12: 46
      -4
      If the enemy praises, it's suspicious, at least!


      Musk didn’t take away the loot on the construction of the Eastern one .. so we’re looking for enemies in the wrong place ..
    6. Cosm22
      Cosm22 April 5 2021 17: 23
      +3
      And if the enemy speaks?
      Or will we make a non-competitive Soyuz-5 for the evil of the enemy?
  2. Fungus
    Fungus April 5 2021 11: 03
    +5
    We are waiting for Cupid LNG good
    1. xorek
      xorek April 5 2021 11: 31
      +1
      Quote: Fungus
      We are waiting for Cupid LNG good

      We are waiting and thinking of a lot more that they don't talk about too much .. hi
      1. Clear
        Clear April 5 2021 11: 57
        +5
        Quote: xorek
        Quote: Fungus
        We are waiting for Cupid LNG good

        We are waiting and thinking of a lot more that they don't talk about too much .. hi

        So now, the main reason for hysteria in the West is why Russia is silent am
        1. xorek
          xorek April 5 2021 13: 45
          -1
          Quote: Clear
          Quote: xorek
          Quote: Fungus
          We are waiting for Cupid LNG good

          We are waiting and thinking of a lot more that they don't talk about too much .. hi

          So now, the main reason for hysteria in the West is why Russia is silent am

          Clever Clear love good ..This is what causes the hysteria of the West !!!! Uncertainty and ominous silence of Russia! We work in silence, gritting our teeth ..
          1. Bradley
            Bradley April 5 2021 20: 04
            0
            Clever Clear love good.

            You do understand what is behind the profile Clear the guy is sitting?
    2. Cosm22
      Cosm22 April 5 2021 17: 31
      +3
      Uh-huh. We are waiting ...
      Has the FKP written much about him?
  3. Cowbra
    Cowbra April 5 2021 11: 04
    -8
    Alenka, when do you have the next explosion on schedule? Cure your addiction first, counselor.
    PiSi, for sectarians - about drug addiction - his own words, so bon appetit)))
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 5 2021 11: 28
      +8
      The day after tomorrow 10 rocket from the beginning of the year. This is more than all of China, or as much as the world combined except China, but with the American Antares and Electron.

      And 22 is the next crew to the ISS - 4 people.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra April 5 2021 11: 35
        -8
        Quote: donavi49
        This is more than all of China

        Only on the rocket there is an inscription "NASA" for some reason, and in the photo there is a cosmodrome at Cape Canaverel, which was also not a drug addict from South Africa built. And so yes, nowadays drug addicts are nimble - they did not have time to escape from the railroad track, from which they were kicked out for poor academic performance - they immediately started up as a rocket designer, sorry Korolyov did not find him, otherwise he would have taught him how to design rockets personally, in one snout, in to build them in the desert under the open sky and give advice to everyone.
        All alone, all alone and without NASA and the Pentagon at all! Since the beginning of the year, it's straight where China is ... The pound has always sat, and Briand is the head! Musk would never put his finger in his mouth personally.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona April 5 2021 11: 43
          +11
          The SpaceX inscription on the rocket is also present, and the NASA inscription is because NASA paid for the launch.
          And Musk has two higher educations.
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra April 5 2021 11: 51
            -6
            Economics and what else? By the way, how funny they appeared ... I studied and studied, I didn’t learn to be with anyone, but how NASA hired him in Pounds, education instantly appeared, and higher education, and so that it would be immediately clear that the honestly gained through suffering - in the amount of two pieces at once! One - orally, the other - retroactively ... It's clear, it's like Poroshenko's son became the commander of a mortar battery, what he studies there, to an artilleryman. And it's even easier to become a rocket designer - all economists are taught sapromat
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona April 5 2021 11: 54
              +8
              Physics and Economics.
              Before Zip
              1. Cowbra
                Cowbra April 5 2021 11: 59
                -5
                They kicked him out of Canada without any pre-zip education, it was. But the education - two at once, and he never studied physics at all in any educational institutions - was organized only when NASA began to drive him on a harness. In absentia, and without an ensemble
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona April 5 2021 12: 09
                  +7
                  B received two degrees, after which he successfully entered the Stanford graduate school in physics, from where he left to do business in the IT field
            2. forty-eighth
              forty-eighth April 5 2021 13: 41
              +2
              The economy has a lot to do with rocketry. Unlike journalism.
              And on the second education - a bachelor of physics. Not God knows, of course, but not a journalist, not a journalist ...
              1. Motorist
                Motorist April 5 2021 15: 56
                +2
                Quote: forty-eighth
                And on the second education - a bachelor of physics.

                Is a bachelor a technician in our opinion? Ie, graduated from a college at a university? Sorry, but this is not a higher education [in my understanding]. hi
                1. forty-eighth
                  forty-eighth April 5 2021 16: 40
                  +3
                  Western education is different from ours. Our remakes cut off a year and a half from VO and called it a bachelor's degree. In the West, this is not entirely the case: their college curriculum includes both our college program and the first two years of the institute.
                  And their bachelor's program gives the corresponding to our HE (3,4,5 courses), but in general disciplines.
                  I do not presume to judge the quality of their education, but it is obvious that their system school - college - bachelor's degree is not the same as our national bachelor's school + 3 institute courses.
                  1. Motorist
                    Motorist April 5 2021 18: 13
                    +1
                    Quote: forty-eighth
                    Our remakes cut off a year and a half from VO and called it a bachelor's degree.

                    What we have done now is a dark forest for me. You can enter a university and: either finish, or drop out, or go to the "academician". Undergraduate (bachelor's degree) just pulls on the so-called. incomplete higher education (IMHO, again).
          2. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine April 5 2021 12: 34
            +2
            Quote: BlackMokona
            And Musk has two higher educations.

            And what, Serdyukov has three higher ones.
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona April 5 2021 12: 39
              -1
              Well, the man said that he had no higher education at all, I corrected it.
        2. donavi49
          donavi49 April 5 2021 11: 52
          +10
          What should be written on the rocket for NASA? wassat

          When he launched a satellite for the Bayraktar for Erdogan, something else was written there.



          But the Argentine satellite was also painted for a photo print - everything for the customer wink


          Even Rogozin is moving in this direction.
  4. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 April 5 2021 11: 12
    +3
    What rockets? Here we slurp soup with bast shoes and play balalaikas with bears. (Joke).
    Why is he so worried about our missiles, Russia is one of the main competitors for him. Or his company does not belong to him and he put in one place what will become of it?
    1. Cosm22
      Cosm22 April 5 2021 17: 37
      +1
      What is Russia's competitor to the "nine" Mask?
      With the weakling Soyuz-2?
      Or with Hangara, which is at least twice as expensive as Proton, and Proton Musk has already kicked out of the game playing?
      Or does something else fly in Russia besides the royal "seven" with a sixty-year history?
  5. Basarev
    Basarev April 5 2021 11: 12
    -2
    First, finish the Eastern one, and finally pay back the wage arrears, punish all those responsible for these arrears ... But for this you will have to radically rake and corrupt the whole country. In general, first put things in order on Earth, and then climb into space.
  6. Woodman
    Woodman April 5 2021 11: 13
    +2
    According to the owner of SpaceX, this is a good project, but Russian engineers need to strive to create
    Russian engineers without advisers will figure out what to strive for.
    1. Klingon
      Klingon April 5 2021 11: 29
      +3
      we still haven't figured it out, then we will do Angara, then we will not, then the Yenisei, then the new Union, then the Eagle-Federation, then let's write a rocket under the Khokhloma ... what else? We have a trampoline buffoon here, you understand, it's not an engineer wassat
      1. Woodman
        Woodman April 5 2021 11: 37
        -2
        Quote: Klingon
        We have a trampoline buffoon here, you understand, it's not an engineer who supervises

        Well, maybe you should advise the one who is a "trampoline buffoon", and not the engineers?
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona April 5 2021 12: 35
          +5
          So he just tweeted on Twitter that Cupid is good but not enough, and a bunch of months ago. I don’t know why TopVar decided to write about it now
        2. Roman070280
          Roman070280 April 5 2021 12: 37
          -2
          Well, maybe it is necessary to advise the one who is a "trampoline buffoon", and not to engineers?


          And what specific engineers did he advise something ??
          If you carefully read the phrase, then there was no advice at all .. the person just expressed his opinion ..
          This is a good path, but I recommend aiming for full reusability.

          This "recommendation" can be considered for the whole of humanity in general .. our engineers are in no way here ..
          If they invent something better, they will advise themselves ..
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 5 2021 14: 17
        +2
        The hangar has already done further modification of the A5P for the manned spacecraft Orel and the A 5B modification with an increased carrying capacity of 38 tons, and so the launch work for only one Sphere will be in bulk
        "According to the updated data, the constellation of the Russian system" Sphere "by 2030 should include 638 spacecraft, of which 334 communications satellites, 249 remote sensing devices of the Earth, 55 navigation satellites. medium missiles "Soyuz-10b", 88 light missiles "Angara-2.1" and 36 heavy missiles "Angara-A1.2".
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 April 5 2021 17: 41
          +2
          ABOUT! Sphere!
          That's cool! We are all excited about this great success!
          Some details, however, are confusing.
          What shishi will this project of the century be implemented for?
          Recall that in December 2015, the general director of the Roscosmos corporation finally announced the cost of the entire FKP of the Russian Federation for 2015-2024. The amount turned out to be rather big - about 1 trillion 406 billion rubles.
          But!
          But in November 2020, we suddenly learn with bewilderment that Roscosmos has requested no less than 1,5 trillion rubles for the creation of the Sphere satellite system. That with a hook exceeds all funds allocated for the entire PCF.
          It is clear that these grandmothers will be smeared over the years until 2030. However, where to get them? In conditions of constant sequestration of PCF? Space budget cut for 2021-2023 it has already been announced - 60 billion rubles, and this, it must be understood, is not over yet.
          But nobody has officially canceled the plans so far. It is necessary to make a fifth Union, and Amur-LNG, and all sorts of Don-Yenisei with other superheavy, and it is necessary to think about methane, and about a reusable stage, and about a new KK, and about a hydrogen generator for the Angara ... And then RK 1,5 Take out trillion rubles for the Sphere! Not bold?
          True, an analogy with GLONASS suggests itself.
          GLONASS has already cut its wings. Funding was cut as early as 1019. For even then the funds had to be redistributed after the imposition of sanctions so useful for Russia to restrict the supply of imported components. The weight of which, according to the general director of the enterprise-manufacturer of ISS satellites them. Reshetnev Nikolay Testoedov in the GLONASS spacecraft reached 40 percent.
          The increased mass of the spacecraft is the tenth thing, albeit an unpleasant one. But what about the EEE of the Space category? Have you already figured out the radiation-resistant electronic component base? As far as we know, there are no worthy analogues to foreign models in Russia today.
          But the Sphere project is not far behind in terms of dependence on high-quality foreign components from the GLONASS project.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 5 2021 22: 33
            0
            Well, probably 1.5 trillion - half of the amount from outside budget funding will be -
            Space Communications and Gazprom Space Systems are planning to invest over 140 billion rubles in the program of the multifunctional satellite system Sphere. The financing is planned to be carried out within the framework of a public-private partnership. This became known on February 4, 2021.
            Roscosmos ”will register a legal entity to attract investments in the GMISS project, without specifying when it will be created.

            At a meeting of the working group of the "Digital Economy", a representative of the Ministry of Transport expressed concern "in connection with the need to synchronize the costs of creating all communication systems within the framework of the national program." The representative of the structure of "Roskosmos" among the potential risks for GMISS called the difficulties with financing and allocation of frequencies. The representative of "MegaFon" said that the design parameters of the GMISS exceed the existing satellite constellations, but "significantly lag behind the existing terrestrial communication networks, and even more so from 5G networks."
            GMISS is part of the Sphere project, which involves the deployment of an orbital constellation of more than 600 satellites in 2023-2028. In April 2019, Roskosmos reported that the Sphere's backbone projects will be the GLONASS satellite navigation system, Earth remote sensing systems, Express-RV and Gonets satellite communication systems, as well as the Luch relay system, the global Internet system things "Marathon" and the system of broadband access "Skif".

            At the same time, funding for the creation of GMISS is estimated at 299 billion rubles. from extra-budgetary sources, which makes it the most costly project of the Digital Economy.
            1. Cosm22
              Cosm22 April 5 2021 23: 48
              +3
              Yes, yes, I am familiar with this set of duty and meaningless phrases in detail. They don't interest me. Who is there and what will give the Republic of Kazakhstan, maybe abroad will help, like Ostap Ibrahimovich, maybe Abramovich and the Rotenbergs will be generous, this is the tenth case in general.
              The fundamental question - how are you doing with the EEE of the Space category? According to my information - not after useful sanctions. Do you have another one?
              What exactly will fly if there is no base as such?
              You have not asked yourself the question: why is the age of our companions (including those for military purposes) so short? Why do they go out of orbit ahead of time or crazy? It's an interesting question ...
              So is the answer.
              You see, when I read, for example, the phrase "Specialists of the company" ISS "named after Academician MF Reshetnev have developed microcircuits for on-board SpaceWire networks" amazes me. Try to think about its meaning! The specialists of the company "ISS" ... developed microcircuits ... Damn, no words.
              Or here's the news: "Specialists of the Russian Space Systems Holding (RKS, part of the ROSCOSMOS State Corporation), as part of the work on the creation of unified on-board equipment for advanced spacecraft, have developed an integrated decoder for command, program and telemetry information." News for 2021 Karl! Even ESA did it twenty years ago!
              And it’s so in everything! And why? Yes, because it is enough for us to add our own nameplate to a Taiwanese product, and it is already considered our own. Import substituted, so to speak. After all, this is pure fraud! With the permission of the state. For since some (well-known to all for now) the government has made an original feint with the ears. Now, domestic second-level microcircuits are not those that were developed in Russia. And not the ones that were produced in Russia. And those that - attention! - were only tested in Russia!
              How does it feel? Ostap is resting.
              Vice-Premier Borisov told the truth by some miracle: “Since the 90s, the decline of what was developed in the Soviet Union has actually begun. Today it is stupid to say that there is serial microelectronic production in Russia. ".
              What am I all for? What will fly? As part of this super-duper-mega project Sphere?
              If there is no EEE of the Space category of its own, and the foreign one is under sanctions? Where to get the base? Buy in China? Not an option.
              Yes, I, in my opinion, have already written on this topic.
              The Sphere project will ultimately inevitably run into the element base, processors, boards, ASICs ... More precisely, in the absence of all of the above in high-quality performance. In China-Taiwan, you can, of course, buy something, since there is no one of your own. But here's the quality ... But what is there to say in vain, just stick your nose in Mouser / Digikey / Arrow / Newark in search of a product, keeping in mind the scale "price-quality". All decent electronic components come from the US, EU and Japan only. There is a piece of Taiwan. But China is already smoking on the sidelines.
              So ... You can, of course, perfectly paint the perspectives on paper. How dozens of Unions will fly and one Angara after another. But in real life, none of this will happen.
              Why? We need an EEE of the Space category. Industrial / Military won't work anymore. Although for ourselves we can draw at least the fifth, even the ninth acceptance, the paper will endure everything. Indeed, it is not even fake, but a real 5/9 acceptance does not mean that the microcircuit is radiation-resistant.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 6 2021 17: 12
                0
                All countries buy electronics from Taiwan, Russia produces microprocessors there, but we have all the rights to it, since our development - and somehow I don't care more than 70% of the components in the satellites of our production - the end consumer is primarily interested in the functionality and cost of the product, and everything else is on second roles and wait until they create everything of their own - for kim the devil no one will wait, so even if they put test components. "If there is no EEE of the Space category" It seems like Rosatom began to deal with them. "How dozens of Unions will fly and one Angara after another. But in real life, none of this will happen." The military and civilian satellites will fly just like now, they are now launching the same at our Taiwanese and other base and nothing.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 5 2021 12: 38
      0
      Quote: Lesovik
      Russian engineers without advisers will figure out what to strive for.

      And they will diplomatically answer Max "Thanks for the advice, Elon."
  7. mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 April 5 2021 11: 14
    -5
    Musk is not talking about it. What are we reusable steps? Only air launch from a supersonic carrier aircraft. Then there is no need for launch vehicles and there is no need for steps; they will return reusable steps, and we would launch shuttles from a reusable aircraft. But, with the leadership of Roskosmos and the industry as a whole, this is to be expected in the next century.
    1. kpd
      kpd April 5 2021 11: 30
      +2
      And what should be the take-off weight of the carrier in order to throw the same 9 tons into orbit?
      For small satellites, an airplane start is suitable, but for something larger, something larger than the Mriya is needed.
      1. mojohed2012
        mojohed2012 April 5 2021 12: 24
        -1
        Bigger and more powerful - do we have the technical capability to create such an aircraft? Plus the main engine of the shuttle itself, do you suppose it will not be included in the startup algorithm at all?
        Indeed, in fact, he needs the shuttle rocket engine to reach the calculated orbit, and to return back, he needs a lot of impulses from the shunting engines. The atmosphere needs atmospheric engines.
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 April 5 2021 17: 49
          +2
          Are you seriously carrying such heresy?
          Or is it a subtle banter?
          We do not have the opportunity to make even a normal, popular civilian aircraft, let alone a carrier-razoner.
      2. mojohed2012
        mojohed2012 April 5 2021 12: 26
        +2
        I am not an expert and do not claim that it is absolutely necessary! But why not respond so asymmetrically to the returned steps of the Mask?
        Moreover, in the video, it was seen many times that the returned steps were exposed to high temperatures (soot), and small deformations of the hulls (dents) were also visible.
        And for some reason, everyone is sure that the reentry stages were again put into Mask's rockets (launch vehicles).
        We see the return of the stage, but there is no evidence of its repeated flights. Words only.
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 April 5 2021 18: 09
          +2
          So for some people, there is no evidence of the presence of the Americans on the moon.
          As well as the evidence that the Earth is round, not flat, and the angle of incidence is equal to the angle of reflection.
          Dear, the boosters of the "nine" Mask are all numbered, they keep strict records and infographics (by the way, it is freely available, google it). It is known with an accuracy of one piece, when and how many were produced, how many are in circulation, with what cycle of turnover (which, by the way, has already become a record one).
          If we cannot do something, we should not think that everyone is like that.
        2. ccsr
          ccsr April 5 2021 18: 40
          -2
          Quote: mojohed2012
          But why not respond so asymmetrically to the returned steps of the Mask?

          Because there is still no confidence that the return stages will be better in terms of reliability than disposable ones, and that their cost, taking into account testing and putting into working condition, will ultimately turn out to be not so profitable.
          If you didn’t find the shuttle hysteria, let me remind you that the whole world was delighted with this technique, and even we bought into it, creating "Buran" and as a result, the complete failure of the program, the death of two crews and its closure forever.
          But then some of our leaders also shouted that we lagged behind the Americans, and the current hysteria around Musk completely repeats those times - just a new cycle has begun.
          1. Cosm22
            Cosm22 April 5 2021 19: 24
            +2
            Are there specific numbers on the benefits?
            To the studio.
            If these are only fantasies, it is better to keep them to yourself.
            The shuttles have fully completed their program by building the ISS. With the completion of the station, they were no longer needed. There were no targets to use them. Very expensive. Quite logical and well-deserved ending.
            As for the reliability of the F-9, one should not forget that even in the event of a failure of one or two engines on the SC, the stage has the possibility of redundancy. Which is enough to take the product away from the UK in case of an accident.
            As for the Unions and the Angara (absolutely new), they do not have such an opportunity. And in case of failure of one engine or afterburner, only a wet place will remain from the SC.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr April 5 2021 19: 40
              -3
              Quote: Cosm22
              Are there specific numbers on the benefits?

              Let Musk present them to you, just not like before, because NASA accused him of falsifying the cost of putting a kilogram into orbit.
              Quote: Cosm22
              The shuttles have fully completed their program by building the ISS. With the completion of the station, they were no longer needed.

              Lies, because shuttles began to be created long before this program, when there was no question of the station at all.
              Quote: Cosm22
              Quite logical and well-deserved ending.

              Another lie:
              The shuttle program had many flaws. Launching the same spacecraft into space many times turned out to be expensive and risky - over the 30 years of the program, which cost the lives of 14 astronauts, more than $ 150 billion was spent on it.

              Quote: Cosm22
              As for the reliability of the F-9, one should not forget that even in the event of a failure of one or two engines on the SC, the stage has the possibility of redundancy. Which is enough to take the product away from the UK in case of an accident.

              All this has not yet been confirmed by anything, so you can continue to fill in, but let's wait for at least one flight to the Moon on the Musk products. When will it take place - can you give an approximate date?
              1. Cosm22
                Cosm22 April 5 2021 20: 24
                +5
                1. Who is there and who is accused? You are not sick, by chance? NASA "blamed" Musk? Is there a reference to the "charge"? In the studio! The agency has increased the cost of delivering a kg of cargo to the ISS. But what does Musk have to do with this? When the cost of a space in the Union on the ISS for an American increased from $ 21,3 million to $ 90 million, was this price increased by the Progress RCC or Roscosmos?
                2. Both Shuttles and Burany were created initially for military purposes. But the United States was smart enough to understand earlier that as a space bomber, the Shuttle was no longer suitable for this purpose, because ICBMs appeared that could perform this task better. Then the ISS turned up, where the Shuttle functionality was deployed in full force. Unlike Buran, which flew to nowhere at all.
                3. Was the price of the Energia-Buran project announced to you? What was the point from which there was nothing at all? Everything is relative. The space shuttles, even though the ISS, were built in the main.
                4. Roughly I can. In any case, before Russia gives birth to the Yenisei-don or the hydrogen Angara. The moon, by the way, was never Musk's priority. It was always about Mars. But if the Artemis and Gateway projects get a real start, Musk's super-heavyweight will have a job today. I emphasize - already today. Here, I see, many do not know that Musk is already successfully flying Falcon Heavy?
                 
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr April 5 2021 20: 45
                  -3
                  Quote: Cosm22
                  1. Who is there and who is accused? You are not sick, by chance? NASA "blamed" Musk? Is there a reference to the "charge"? In the studio!

                  This will follow as soon as there is a disaster with the astronauts - NASA is playing for a long time, you just do not understand this.
                  Quote: Cosm22
                  But the United States was smart enough to understand earlier that as a space bomber, the Shuttle was no longer suitable for this purpose, because ICBMs appeared that were able to perform this task better.

                  Actually, ICBMs appeared long before the shuttle - you probably live in the land of elves. As for the military objectives of the shuttle, by definition it cannot be used for military purposes due to the impossibility of operational use and too long preparation at launch - learn materiel.
                  Quote: Cosm22
                  When the cost of a space in the Union on the ISS for an American increased from $ 21,3 million to $ 90 million, was this price increased by the Progress RCC or Roscosmos?

                  What does it matter to you if Musk promises you cheaper? True, NASA exposed Musk and his price, but you believe that no one will use Russian rockets now.
                  Quote: Cosm22
                  4. Roughly I can.

                  Well, name it, don't wag ...
                  1. Cosm22
                    Cosm22 April 5 2021 21: 21
                    +5
                    1. Got it. When the dollar collapses, Yellowstone will explode and communism will come around the world.
                    2. Are you able to understand the meaning of the phrase "there have appeared ICBMs capable of performing this task better"? Without help? LGM-30A was also considered an ICBM. Or do they not write this in your materiel?
                    3. Not that it will not be, no one uses it in contracts for GSO. This segment of the market has completely taken over Musk. Geostationary launches of Proton, which previously held the Russian stat, have gone into oblivion. Hangara in diapers is waiting for at least the end of LCI. If possible, of course.
                    4. Do you have poor eyesight? Duplicate the answer - TODAY! If the need arises. Superheavy Musk is ready to carry out cargo operations as part of the Gateway lunar project.
                    A counter question: when will Russia be able to do this?
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr April 6 2021 11: 11
                      -2
                      Quote: Cosm22
                      Are you able to grasp the meaning of the phrase "there have appeared ICBMs capable of performing this task better"?

                      I will not delve into why you lied, what
                      The shuttle is no longer suitable for this purpose, for ICBMs appeared, able to perform this task better.
                      because more efficient ICBMs appeared long before the development of the shuttle.
                      Quote: Cosm22
                      Geostationary launches of Proton, which previously held the Russian stat, have gone into oblivion.

                      We do not even have a special need for this - for flights to the ISS, we are paid well as it is, and we are already satisfying our needs.
                      Quote: Cosm22
                      Superheavy Musk is ready to carry out cargo operations as part of the Gateway lunar project.

                      Ready or not ready is still unknown, but to believe you or the Mask, do not respect yourself. Can you name the actual date of the flight to the Moon, at least with reference to the month or year, or again blah-blah-blah?
                      As always, you get rid of the direct answer - you really can.
                      Quote: Cosm22
                      A counter question: when will Russia be able to do this?

                      Are we obliged to duplicate the programs of the Americans? Yes, and so far Musk has not had any success in flying to the Moon, but disasters are coming one after another, so leave your propaganda for the illiterate.
                      1. Cosm22
                        Cosm22 April 6 2021 12: 13
                        +3
                        Slipper, is that you? In a new reincarnation?
                        Why so? Nickname changed? Are you tired of old shoulder straps?
                        The advice is the same - to teach materiel. Carefully and diligently.
                        1. Development of the first mobile ICBM complex XMGM-134A (and the Shuttle can only be classified as a mobile class, but space-based) began only in the mid-80s of the last century, while the Shuttle was launched in 1981. The Midgetman mobile soil complex has been developed since 1983. The UGM-96 sea-based mobile ICBM was commissioned in 1979, but was soon withdrawn. But Trident-2, already fully complying with the requested military requirements, was commissioned only in 1990.
                        2. We were paid well for good flights. Now the shop is closed.
                        3. NASA announced a year ago about the conclusion of a contract with the private aerospace company SpaceX for the delivery of cargo for the crew of the lunar orbital station Gateway. "Thus, Elon Musk's company became the first commercial supplier under the Gateway Logistics Services program to deliver various cargoes to the Gateway space station, which the US space agency plans to begin building in 2022."
                        What else is not clear? Schedule launches by day and hour? So for this info, not to me, but to NASA. Maybe the Russian language does not suit you? My apologies, I don't speak Chinese and Mongolian.
                        4. Musk has never declared the priority of the Moon over Mars, there is no need to prescribe your fantasies to him.
                        5. If a person does not understand the difference between a prototype (test model) of a spacecraft, originally intended for modeling emergency situations in order to identify possible weak points, and a serial spacecraft - what can you talk about with him at all?
                      2. ccsr
                        ccsr April 6 2021 13: 26
                        -2
                        Quote: Cosm22
                        Why so? Nickname changed? Are you tired of old shoulder straps?

                        You are delusional, not otherwise ...
                        Quote: Cosm22
                        Development of the first mobile complex ICBM XMGM-134A

                        What does a mobile complex have to do with it if ICBM means "intercontinental ballistic missiles", which we had long before the shuttles.
                        Quote: Cosm22
                        and the Shuttle can be attributed only to the mobile class, but space-based)

                        You can refer it to anything you like, but generally speaking it is rocket technology for the space direction, but certainly not "mobile" from the point of view of its operational purpose.
                        Quote: Cosm22
                        2. We were paid well for good flights. Now the shop is closed.

                        A primitive lie - tens of millionaires are already ready to pay us for a week-long flight into space even more than NASA.
                        Quote: Cosm22
                        NASA announced a year ago about the conclusion of a contract with the private aerospace company SpaceX for the delivery of cargo for the crew of the lunar orbital station Gateway.

                        Where are the items flights to the Moon? All these contracts can later be used as toilet paper, if only a minor accident occurs. But you can wave them, although in reality it is just a paper of intent.
                        Quote: Cosm22
                        which the US space agency plans to start building in 2022. "

                        Even the deadlines for the completion of the work are not named, and you have already been to the moon - burn further, you are our dreamer.
                        Quote: Cosm22
                        4. Musk has never declared the priority of the Moon over Mars, there is no need to prescribe your fantasies to him.

                        Those. it must be understood that he cannot fly to the moon, but a flight to Mars is easy. Maybe there will be enough noodles for people to hang up?
                        Quote: Cosm22
                        If a person does not understand the difference between a prototype (test model) of a spacecraft, originally intended for modeling emergency situations in order to identify possible weaknesses, and a serial spacecraft - what can you talk about with it at all?

                        What can I talk to you about if President Bush promised us flights to the moon already in 2015? Where there is at least one flight - tell it the date, and when we should expect it. And then we'll talk about what kind of series it will turn out.
                      3. Cosm22
                        Cosm22 April 6 2021 15: 45
                        +2
                        Not letting go? Not tired of sitting in a puddle?
                        1. You can change your nickname, but you can't change the style of a miserable narration mixed with quotations. It's in the blood.
                        2. Moreover, the mobile complex that the Pentagon at one time was concerned about the real threat of destruction of their stationary and mine complexes in connection with the successful development of ICBMs in the USSR. It was then that the trend towards the development of mobile complexes, including space-based ones, emerged. So the advice is the same - to teach materiel.
                        3. It would be nice to tell this (after assimilating the difference between operational and operational-strategic purpose. Destruction of the capital of the state of the alleged enemy can hardly be attributed to the operational level) to the Soviet generals, who justified the creation of Buran precisely by the possibility of the Shuttles to attack Moscow. In the meantime, in the Internet, educate yourself. The material is a wagon. The materiel is volumetric.
                        4. In addition to demagoguery, it's not bad to attach a list of these same millionaires eager to ride in a tin can to your comment. Surname.
                        5. I'm afraid the roll of toilet paper with the promises of Roscosmos and Mr. Rogozin personally will be much larger in volume.
                        6. To announce our stated terms? Dates? Numbers? Or will we not disgrace ourselves? As for me personally, I don’t fly to the moon, I don’t dabble in drugs and strong drinks. And I do not advise you, a bad habit. Not only will it bring you to the moon, but also to the grave.
                        7. What does easy mean? After the implementation of the Starship project. If, of course, it takes place. Would you shut up the Queen who dreamed of the same thing? And Zander? And Tsiolkovsky? No doubt.
                        Now I say goodbye. There is no desire to speak at the school level. I left it a long time ago. Sorry for the wasted time.
                        For there is demagoguery of the purest water, and there is banal verbiage. I don’t want to get involved with a bright example of the latter.
                      4. ccsr
                        ccsr April 6 2021 19: 59
                        0
                        Quote: Cosm22
                        1. You can change your nickname, but you can't change the style of a miserable narration mixed with quotations. It's in the blood.

                        I have not changed my nickname for fifteen years - you simply cannot argue with arguments, so they began to carry all sorts of nonsense from impotence.

                        Quote: Cosm22
                        Moreover, the mobile complex that the Pentagon at one time was concerned about the real threat of destruction of their stationary and mine complexes in connection with the successful development of ICBMs in the USSR.

                        You will tell this fairy tale in the sandbox - in 1972, an Agreement was signed, where everything was recorded, and no shuttle was registered there even in the project, but the number of carriers was taken into account there.
                        Quote: Cosm22
                        It was then that the trend towards the development of mobile complexes, including space-based ones, emerged.

                        You're lying without blushing - the shuttle cannot quickly destroy any mine installation, if only because they are protected and there were a lot of them on our territory.
                        Quote: Cosm22
                        The destruction of the capital of the state of the alleged enemy can hardly be attributed to the operational level) to the Soviet generals, who justified the creation of Buran precisely by the possibility of the Shuttles to attack Moscow.

                        Lies are not generals, but industry imposed this version on Ustinov, and he bought into their tales about Buran. If only the Americans tried to place nuclear warheads on the shuttle, then at any launch of such a ship, all our strategic nuclear forces would instantly be brought into full combat, and Moscow would be protected by a missile defense system.
                        Quote: Cosm22
                        6. To announce our stated terms? Dates? Numbers? Or will we not disgrace ourselves?

                        So you disgrace yourself - I knew that you would be afraid to name even the year.
                        Quote: Cosm22
                        After the implementation of the Starship project. If, of course, such takes place.

                        Wow, they have already started backing away, as soon as they asked to name something specific. Everything was expected.

                        Quote: Cosm22
                        For there is demagoguery of the purest water, and there is banal verbiage. I don’t want to get involved with a bright example of the latter.

                        You are a typical Muskophile who will try to talk about Musk's space "successes", even against the background of four accidents in four months, because people like you "with ... in the eye, all the dew of God."
                        It turns out that you are a pure demag who has not even been able to refute the failures of the Mask of the last months.
                        So when the American ship flies to Mars, since the flight to the moon was canceled - well, at least you can name the year?
          2. Xscorpion
            Xscorpion April 6 2021 07: 24
            0
            Quote: Cosm22
            1. Who is there and who is accused? You are not sick, by chance? NASA "blamed" Musk? Is there a reference to the "charge"? In the studio! The agency has increased the cost of delivering a kg of cargo to the ISS. But what does Musk have to do with this? When the cost of a space in the Union on the ISS for an American increased from $ 21,3 million to $ 90 million, was this price increased by the Progress RCC or Roscosmos?
            2. Both Shuttles and Burany were created initially for military purposes. But the United States was smart enough to understand earlier that as a space bomber, the Shuttle was no longer suitable for this purpose, because ICBMs appeared that could perform this task better. Then the ISS turned up, where the Shuttle functionality was deployed in full force. Unlike Buran, which flew to nowhere at all.
            3. Was the price of the Energia-Buran project announced to you? What was the point from which there was nothing at all? Everything is relative. The space shuttles, even though the ISS, were built in the main.
            4. Roughly I can. In any case, before Russia gives birth to the Yenisei-don or the hydrogen Angara. The moon, by the way, was never Musk's priority. It was always about Mars. But if the Artemis and Gateway projects get a real start, Musk's super-heavyweight will have a job today. I emphasize - already today. Here, I see, many do not know that Musk is already successfully flying Falcon Heavy?
             

            Are you sure that Heavy flies? When did it last take off, 2 years ago? Do you know that in addition to flights, it was supposed to return? And as a result, there was no successful return. the ocean, missed the third time and also drowned in the ocean. Of the three launches, the steps were never returned to their place. And it was created precisely for this. And apparently this is why it does not fly anymore, since it does not justify the requirements imposed on it. 3 launches, not a single return step. XNUMX% accident rate during landing. But as always, everything is successful and everything is beautiful. The rocket flies. And if you figure it out, then every Musk project with similar problems, but everyone is shouting hurray, he is about to break Roscosmos, and to He has a queue of clients. Only there is no this, since the clients do not need an unreliable rocket. And the fact that he flounders so far is because NASA has invested a lot of money in him and still hopes that they will beat them off. He himself admitted that he more than once lucky, with successful launches after a series of failures.
            1. Cosm22
              Cosm22 April 6 2021 09: 40
              +2
              It is not necessary to carry nonsense. Not serious. Do not write a comment to Murzilka.
              1. Falcon Heavy flies. There were three successful launches. I emphasize - successful. A new order will appear - it will fly again without any doubt. The only problem is that there are not so many orders for such a heavy duty cycle, the market is limited. This, by the way, is a hint to Roskosmos, which sculpts Yenisei dons without a safety net for the future in the middle class. Kohl has not even decided on the appearance of the central module.
              2. Don't lie. In the first launch, two boosters successfully landed at Cape Canaveral. Failure occurred only with the central unit. But the percentage of successful return of the super-heavy stages is 66,7%. An indicator that no other country in the world has. There is no talk of Russia at all. In the second launch, all boosters and the central unit successfully landed. The return success rate is 100%. In the third launch, both boosters successfully landed on the pad, the central block missed the pad. The success value is 66,7%. The cumulative value of successful landings is 77,8%. An indicator, I repeat, which has not been achieved by any country in the world, including Russia. What kind of XNUMX% accident rate are we talking about? Where do you get this information? From your dreams?
              3. A carrier was created primarily for the withdrawal of severe PN. And the LV coped with this task 100%. And it will cope with any next launch as soon as the order appears. Landing steps is a bonus to the carrier, but it cannot be the main goal in any way. The main goal is the withdrawal of a PS with a mass of 63,8 tons to LEO, 26,7 tons to GPO. In all three successful launches, the task was brilliantly completed.
              4. In general, to school. Learn materiel. To expose yourself for the amusement of the public is not worth it. Not solid.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 5 2021 16: 50
    +3
    There is a more modern direction of aerospace single-stage aircraft with a combined power plant like the Tu 2000 or Skylon.
  • Intruder
    Intruder April 5 2021 11: 17
    -1
    Eh, Elon! You - Dragon and Roadster with a Martian "corvette", now they will remember that !? winked
    According to the owner of SpaceX, this is a good project, but Russian engineers need to strive to create fully reusable rockets.
    Why are you so, yes, live recourse , only parachute systems and no more, well, even DMP-M, as in the last Unions ...
    1. AVA77
      AVA77 April 5 2021 11: 42
      -3
      And why not remember, remember, we will also walk through the living. Let SpaceX first launch its aluminum canister and then distribute advice. "Amur-LNG" is a project, and cans are torn in kind. And these are three engines and 28 more are planned. Reusable SpaceX, single use wassat.How do you like Elon Musk or something else.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona April 5 2021 12: 37
        +4
        His aluminum ones fly very often and successfully, his Steel is still in development and is banging.
        1. AVA77
          AVA77 April 5 2021 17: 06
          +4
          Well, if you go for a ride with steel ones, you can try cast iron ones. winked
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona April 5 2021 18: 10
            0
            There are a lot of options, only the one who does nothing is not mistaken
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 5 2021 16: 53
        +3
        "Amur-LNG" project Which is already being implemented
        MOSCOW, April 3. / TASS /. The design phase of the Amur rocket will end in September. This was announced on Saturday in the program "Big Space" on the channel "Roscosmos-TV" by the executive director of Roscosmos for promising programs and science Alexander Bloshenko.

        "The stage of preliminary design ends approximately in September, that is, in the autumn we will understand the appearance of the carrier, the appearance of the ground infrastructure. Again, we plan to have it lightweight, simple, reliable and, I will not say cheap, but economically justified, cost-effective," he said. Bloshenko.

        He emphasized that due to the reusable use of the stage, it is planned to reduce the cost of the launch service.

        In fact, Amur will become the heir to the Soyuz rocket, Bloshenko noted.

        "It is about 12 tons in a one-time launch and 10,5 tons in a reusable version, with the rescue of the first stage into low orbit," he said.

        According to the executive director of Roskosmos for promising programs and science, if you just count the number of parts of assembly units, SKD elements, then in Soyuz-2 there are 4,5 thousand, and in Amur there are about 2 thousand. drop times, simplicity, reliability, cost ", - he stressed.

        Earlier it was reported that annually by 2030 at least 13-14 launches of the promising Amur carrier rocket with a return stage are expected.

        Roskosmos and the Progress RCC in October last year signed a contract for the development of a preliminary design of a space rocket complex with the first Russian reusable methane-fueled Amur rocket. The rocket will receive a recoverable first stage and will be launched from the Vostochny cosmodrome in the Amur region. In February, Dmitry Baranov, General Director of the Progress Rocket and Space Center (part of Roscosmos), told reporters that the preliminary design of the Amur methane launch vehicle is scheduled to be completed in the third quarter of 2021.

        Amur with a reusable reusable stage will be able to launch up to 10,5 tons of payload into low-earth orbit versus 8,5 for Soyuz-2 series rockets.
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 April 5 2021 18: 21
          -2
          All this is wonderful.
          Sketches, skins, plans and all that jazz.
          One little thing is missing - the methane engine. It still needs to be done. And this is a more difficult task than endlessly "modernizing" the legacy of Glushko.
          And for the return stage it is not stupid to make a methane engine.
          It needs to be made simple, compact, lightweight and cheap, like Merlin. It's not that easy. Reporting on future successes is much easier.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 5 2021 22: 45
            -1
            "One little thing is missing - the methane engine. It still needs to be made" - Brake its elements have already been manufactured On June 3, 2020, the KBKhA completed the next stage of creating a prototype RD-0177.
            On August 27, 2020, the general director of NPO Energomash, Igor Arbuzov, told the media that to date, individual elements of the units of the future methane engine - a gas generator, a mixing head - have been tested. Now the enterprise is proceeding to work directly on the manufacture of the RD-0177 demonstrator engine, which is to be manufactured in 2022. A flight model called RD-0169 should be manufactured in 2022-2023.
            1. Cosm22
              Cosm22 April 6 2021 01: 19
              +2
              One of your colleagues, slipper, if I'm not mistaken, also spends most of his life in the future. With our eternal "we will do ... we will develop ... we will build ... we will design .. we will create ... and so on and so forth.
              But it is still better to be found in real life than in dreams. For health.
              And believe me, I am much better informed than you about how the work on methane is going on in Russia today. For the simple reason that I have been interested in this topic for more than one year.
              Therefore, I dare to say: today there is no operating methane engine in Russia.
              Judging by the text, you agree with me.
              Toda why these references to 22/23? If we are talking about today?
              It is not always appropriate to use the data from the wiki. I can tell you how the content is formed there, because I myself am involved in this project.
              By the way, are you not embarrassed by the fact that Wiki has absolutely no characteristics for RD-0169? It would be okay for traction, UI, etc., the engine has not yet come out of the AXIS. But there is not even geometry. There is no data on dimensions, weight, etc. Why? If the engine is already in hardware?
              But 5 engines have already been pushed into the Cupid stage with a diameter of 4,1! On paper, really.
              As for the RN as a whole, even its appearance has not been determined today, follow the news. So what are we talking about?
              And what about the second stage? With RD-0169V? The horse was not lying around? But this is a vacuum cleaner.
              In short, only the following is known today. The money was allocated only for the ROC "DU SV" with an end date of 15.11.2025/2/100. Further. According to TZ methane "DU SV" must have thrust in OR109,8 2 / 312 tf and ID in OR346 0169/2026 s. It seems to be single-chamber. There will be no RD-XNUMXV until XNUMX. Dot.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 6 2021 17: 16
                0
                It seems to be single-chamber. There will be no RD-0169V until 2026. Dot. Let's wait for the 2026th when the rocket is supposed to fly - and we will put the "Points" there.
  • prior
    prior April 5 2021 11: 17
    -3
    We have already heard about apple trees on Mars, but we have not tried apples.
  • Growlers
    Growlers April 5 2021 11: 18
    +4
    He probably smoked that thread again ... And in general, with this frame, it's not so simple.
    1. xorek
      xorek April 5 2021 11: 34
      -5
      Quote: Growlers
      He probably smoked that thread again ... And in general, with this frame, it's not so simple.

      You can clearly see it in the eyes .. Such a moher with a lot of money from his parents, he found a niche to collect money from suckers for his stupid projects ..
      And our libers just finish straight from him and his statements .. bully Oh well wink
      1. zlinn
        zlinn April 5 2021 12: 51
        +2
        Well, let's say suckers can buy shares of Tesla and Solar City, but how can Musk attract suckers' money to SpaceX? Or are you offended that you cannot collect even a ruble for your projects?
        1. Growlers
          Growlers April 5 2021 16: 39
          +7
          Did his projects end with something normal? Or how? That his electric cars compete with the usual? Or did his successes in space lead to breakthroughs and incredible accomplishments? So far, all this is nothing more than PR with the support of the US state.
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A April 5 2021 17: 23
            -4
            Quote: Growlers
            Did his projects end with something normal? Or how? That his electric cars compete with the usual? Or did his successes in space lead to breakthroughs and incredible accomplishments? So far, all this is nothing more than PR with the support of the US state.


            180 thousand cars are sold a year. And almost everyone in the United States.
            The first car with a properly working autopilot.
            And the first mass-produced electric car.

            No success in space?
            almost 10 launches in 3 months.
            Reusability, orbital constellations of hundreds of satellites with satellite Internet are already where it has never been ...

            PR?

            Stop reading the manual.
            1. zlinn
              zlinn April 5 2021 18: 36
              0
              I would like to clarify that Tesla sold 499 550 cars last year, which is one and a half times more than an automobile manufacturer, and only two times less than a Skoda, and this is still more than its 3 largest competitors combined, Tesla is not just a success, it is a resounding success. sollarsity is also great in 2020, there's nothing to say about spaceX - it's just a world leader
            2. Growlers
              Growlers April 7 2021 12: 30
              +3
              I return yours to you
              Quote: SovAr238A
              Stop reading the manual.
              !
          2. Cosm22
            Cosm22 April 5 2021 18: 25
            +2
            His projects did not end, but only began with the fact that in a matter of years Russia slipped from first place in space launches to third.
            And I'm afraid this is just the beginning of the process.
            1. Growlers
              Growlers April 10 2021 07: 21
              +4
              Russia slid for a very long time, thanks to Gorbachev and Yeltsin. Now, if anyone does not understand, Russia is trying to at least stop the fall. As for Elon Musk, I repeat, his merits are greatly exaggerated ...
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 April 5 2021 11: 40
      +2
      Quote: Growlers
      He probably smoked that thread again ... And in general, with this frame, it's not so simple.

      It was he who tricked Roskosmos so subtly. After all, Trampoline is also a returnable system
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta April 5 2021 12: 14
        -4
        Quote: NDR-791
        It was he who tricked Roskosmos so subtly. After all, Trampoline is also a returnable system

        Even reusable! smile
        1. zlinn
          zlinn April 5 2021 12: 56
          0
          And if you look at that draft design, it even becomes clear that, having praised Russian engineers, he praised himself
          1. slipped
            slipped April 5 2021 15: 23
            +4
            This is not a draft design. These are pictures from the media. How shmogli.
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner April 5 2021 11: 27
    +3
    The enemy is too much. Rather a competitor.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart April 5 2021 11: 31
    -2
    Musk understands that in the next 5 years we are not competitors - why not advise? Plus, a purely businessman speaks in it - he wants to remain in good relations with the potential market.
    1. Clear
      Clear April 5 2021 12: 01
      +3
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Musk understands that in the next 5 years we are not competitors - why not advise? Plus, a purely businessman speaks in it - he wants to remain in good relations with the potential market.

      Therefore, here this "benefactor" is recommended to be sent, where to go lol
    2. zlinn
      zlinn April 5 2021 13: 01
      +1
      I think that the usual banter speaks in it (after all, he probably read what Russian experts wrote about his falcon), and when they published this

      then for sure it was just difficult for him to resist the banter, as with working trampolines
      1. Flooding
        Flooding April 5 2021 13: 19
        +2
        Quote: zlinn
        probably it was just difficult for him to resist the banter, as with working trampolines

        and what is the actual banter?
        1. zlinn
          zlinn April 5 2021 13: 28
          +5
          well, bae ,,,, the presented conceptual model, almost one to one repeats Falcon 9, including the landing profile, and this is suggested by specialists who a couple of years ago trumpeted that the mask's concept is bullshit, will not fly, will not sit down, will not return , will not be economically justified, but bam bam and such a picture
          1. Flooding
            Flooding April 5 2021 13: 34
            +1
            Quote: zlinn
            this is suggested by specialists who, a couple of years ago, trumpeted to the full that the mask's concept of bullshit, would not fly, would not sit down, would not return

            can I link to these specialists?
        2. slipped
          slipped April 5 2021 15: 24
          +3
          Probably over the pictures from the media that have nothing to do with the project, apparently.
          1. zlinn
            zlinn April 5 2021 18: 39
            0
            maybe so, but this is exactly what the mask saw, there are no other drawings yet
            1. slipped
              slipped April 5 2021 18: 40
              0
              Quote: zlinn
              maybe so, but this is exactly what the mask saw, there are no other drawings yet


              but no, and no trial)))) as they say in the network ... do not roll bags.
  • APASUS
    APASUS April 5 2021 11: 32
    0
    Lehman Brothers did not become a lesson for Musk, although one field is a berry. Another soap bubble!
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh April 5 2021 16: 21
      +1
      Lehman Brothers did not manufacture anything. It was an investment bank entangled in the real estate market.
      And Elon Musk's firms are a clean industry. Factories and factories that daily produce and sell complex industrial products: rockets, satellites, cars.
      They have produced several hundred space rockets and their stages, fifteen hundred satellites, more than a million vehicles.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS April 5 2021 16: 36
        +4
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Lehman Brothers did not manufacture anything. It was an investment bank entangled in the real estate market.

        Lehman Brothers was a financial bubble that dusted the brains of investors.
        Find a parallel?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh April 5 2021 16: 52
          0
          Not the slightest parallel.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS April 5 2021 17: 03
            +6
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Not the slightest parallel.

            Well, of course:
            In July, Tesla became the most expensive automaker in the world, overtaking Toyota: its capitalization was $ 209 billion, and by the end of August it doubled to $ 400 billion. At the same time, Tesla produced 367 thousand cars last year, and Toyota - 10,74 million ...
            Read more at RBC:
            https://trends.rbc.ru/trends/industry/5f9fb5b29a794734f50f36bd

            Quote: voyaka uh
            And Elon Musk's firms are a clean industry. Factories and factories producing and selling sophisticated industrial products on a daily basis:

            This is the industry. In 3 months, shares have risen in price by two. This reflects the quality or quantity, no, it does not reflect a damn thing, this is a bubble
            1. zlinn
              zlinn April 5 2021 18: 47
              0
              and in 2020, Tesla has already produced 509000 cars, and this one is already almost 150K, and they are on average much more expensive than Toyota, so this is a dynamic, fast-growing business, and its shares are growing faster than the old and reliable, but already reaching its maximum concern, and this is normal
              1. APASUS
                APASUS April 6 2021 08: 45
                0
                Quote: zlinn
                and its shares are growing faster than the old and reliable, but already reaching its maximum concern, and this is normal

                Shares are an indicator of market demand and that's it! They have an indirect relationship to real production, which is why the price doubled in 3 months, this is a banal soap bubble
                1. zlinn
                  zlinn April 6 2021 09: 16
                  -2
                  the share price includes 1) the value of assets. including intellectual +2) the price of investors' revivals (hopes), it is not true to consider this part as a purely soap bubble, some of its sub-parts are really caused by agiate demand, but the demand itself is mainly influenced not by meager investors, but by large funds that do not commit rash acts , and large speculators who are trying to stir up demand, and of course Tesla shares are greatly overvalued, which Musk himself stated, and which caused strong dissatisfaction among investors, but the processes in the stock markets should not be simplified so much, to a banal soap bubble, it just doesn’t will collapse, this is not an IT startup, Tesla has a lot of real assets, including intellectual ones, and most importantly, well-established production. a well-developed infrastructure network, a huge queue of pre-orders, and a tremendous increase in production and all this, of course, affects the price of waiting
                  1. APASUS
                    APASUS April 6 2021 11: 07
                    0
                    Quote: zlinn
                    the share price includes 1) the value of assets. including intellectual +2) the price of investors' revivals (hopes), it is not true to consider this part as a purely soap bubble, some of its subpart is really caused by the agitated demand, but the demand itself is mainly influenced not by the meager investors, but by large funds,

                    It's even funny to read! Tesla's and Toyota's assets to compare ............. This is written by Forbes
                    Tesla's share price may be more dependent on mentions of the company on social networks - in particular, on Reddit, than on its financial results, strategists at Barclays Bank found out. They wrote about it in a note to clients, CNBC reviewed it.
                    “We learned with pain that social media memes could mean more for TSLA [Nasdaq Tesla's ticker] stock value than actual financial metrics, fundamentals or (dare we say) valuations,” said Ryan Preklow and Brian Johnson, strategists at Barclays. ...
                    Preklaw and Johnson explored the Reddit forum - Wall Street Bets. They found that the rise in the company's shares on the stock exchange was preceded by bursts of Tesla discussions on the forum a few days earlier, writes Insider. They concluded that there is a statistically significant relationship between the number of publications and the dynamics of stocks.
        2. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A April 5 2021 17: 28
          0
          Quote: APASUS
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Lehman Brothers did not manufacture anything. It was an investment bank entangled in the real estate market.

          Lehman Brothers was a financial bubble that dusted the brains of investors.
          Find a parallel?


          Musk has been manufacturing since 2008.
          Precisely by production.
          And the Lemon Brothers did not powder the brains of investors.
          On the contrary, this bank itself became a victim of its own investments. Like hundreds of other banks, funds, etc.


          It is a pity that you are confusing concepts.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS April 6 2021 09: 05
            +1
            Quote: SovAr238A
            And the Lemon Brothers did not powder the brains of investors.

            The story of Lehman Brothers is described in great detail in the media. The system of fraud and forgery of reports to the financial regulator.
            One of the most important reasons that led to the collapse of Lehman Brothers is "accounting gimmicks," according to the 2,2-page Lehman Brothers bankruptcy report. The bank went to this in order to improve its financial performance and maintain a high rating, concludes an expert investigating the circumstances of the collapse of Lehman Brothers Anton Valukas, who prepared a report on behalf of the US bankruptcy commission.

            Lehman Brothers' rating was the highest until September 15, 2008, when management filed an application for protection from creditors
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 5 2021 11: 34
    +5
    This is a good path, but I recommend aiming for full reusability.
    Normally said, there is no reason to look for a catch.
  • bar
    bar April 5 2021 11: 37
    -2
    I have already burned 11 of my "reusable" barrels, he wants us to support him in this matter laughing
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona April 5 2021 11: 45
      0
      Smaller, the row was disassembled after successful flights.
      1. bar
        bar April 5 2021 11: 49
        0
        This is where we can support. The experience of delivery of non-ferrous metals in our country is huge
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona April 5 2021 11: 55
          -1
          And what has non-ferrous metal to do with it when it is made from ordinary steel? wassat
          1. AVA77
            AVA77 April 5 2021 12: 52
            0
            Yes, do not care, metal is also in the price.
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona April 5 2021 12: 55
              -1
              So to melt it into new samples.
              He still has Starshipov according to the plan to do and do. Now 15 won is preparing to be sent to the launch pad.
              (12,13,14) Canceled.
              16,17,18,19,20 different stages of manufacture.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder April 5 2021 13: 21
      -1
      wants us to support him in this matter
      as in the past - caught up and surpassed !? laughing
  • iouris
    iouris April 5 2021 12: 08
    -6
    A war with a superior enemy is on the way, and this is a "good way" to divert limited resources from truly urgent tasks.
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 April 5 2021 12: 39
      -13%
      War is on the nose

      That's right..
      And all from the devastation in the heads ..))
      1. iouris
        iouris April 5 2021 12: 40
        -4
        There is a ringing void in their heads, not devastation.
        1. Roman070280
          Roman070280 April 5 2021 12: 42
          -10%
          Hence the ravings about the war ..))
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter April 5 2021 13: 07
            -3
            Quote: Roman070280
            Hence the ravings about the war ..))

            Enemies are all around and it is necessary to unite belay wassat
        2. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter April 5 2021 13: 05
          -1
          Quote: iouris
          There is a ringing void in their heads, not devastation.

          If it were emptiness, and then look how many bawlers with a TV instead of a head.
        3. Intruder
          Intruder April 5 2021 13: 22
          0
          A ringing void in their heads
          vacuum and far from orbit ...
  • Sergey985
    Sergey985 April 5 2021 12: 25
    +1
    I don’t know, I don’t know ... Here economic expediency comes first. Tips Mask is not a guide to action.
    1. Roman070280
      Roman070280 April 5 2021 12: 45
      -4
      Yes, no one considers them as a guide .. and does not force us to consider ..
      Tomorrow he will comment on someone's development of an electric car, and say that this is a good way .. And our putriots will again rush to mix it with G.
      As if he personally prevents someone from going their own way ..))
  • Sined
    Sined April 5 2021 12: 46
    +1
    I see here many people remember the fall of the barrels, they say, let the Starship finish it first and then give advice. And it doesn't matter that the F9 has already made the ninth launch of the same stage and the tenth is next. Musk knows perfectly well what to say, he really should not be blamed. And as for Cupid, as I understand it, he will enter into operation almost at the same time as Neutron from Rocket Lab, he would first have to arrange a competition.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder April 5 2021 13: 25
      -1
      And it doesn't matter that F9 has already completed the ninth launch of the same stage and the tenth is next
      Of course, she is amerskaya and nifiga is not staple ... ilh, what did these busurmane think - 9 launches, "she is like that - we don't need it ..." smile
    2. Cosm22
      Cosm22 April 5 2021 18: 28
      0
      Cupid will not enter.
      For this it is necessary to revise the current FKP.
  • iouris
    iouris April 5 2021 12: 48
    -1
    Advice from a US swindler to an enemy state to be destroyed is a tool.
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    Sling cutter
    Sling cutter April 5 2021 13: 03
    -4
    Quote: xorek
    I already understood this, after launching his car into space and then huge and beautifully exploding pipilats ..

    Wow, yo, another couch "patriot". I remember two or three years ago, putriotic-minded citizens shouted at the top of their lungs, but without us, but on the ISS, but never, they say, we are the main cabbies, and Mask is a trampoline. Well, a couple of years have passed and we are sealing the holes in the casing of our segment with Chinese tape, our screponauts are supplied with oxygen and food, just our transport vehicle has slowed down somewhere. And Musk on the 22nd will be lucky by the next crew on a brand new ship. In vain not on the 12th, otherwise the skakuas could have slipped out of their minds, Elon regretted the "hot heads".
    PySy. "Dear gazpadya", there is no science, there is no education, and many other things have disappeared over the past 30 years.
    You see what kind of thing, there is Greatness, but there is megalomania, so there is no Greatness, but the megalomania remains. So, keep on praising and boasting, while others will fly into orbit, the Moon and Mars.
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    1. iouris
      iouris April 5 2021 13: 07
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      Now we are not talking about greatness, and not about flying to Mars, but simply about survival. The state must be rebuilt for this problem. It is not a fact that it is being rebuilt or will be in time.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder April 5 2021 13: 29
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      In vain not on the 12th, otherwise the skakuas could have slipped out of their minds, Elon regretted the "hot heads".
      By the way, it was on April 11, the first launch of an air drone on Mars (Ingenuity) in an autonomous flight (on April 12, this data will be received only at the mission control center), for the first time for all of Mankind !!! wink
  • Esso
    Esso April 5 2021 13: 12
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    I don't see anything wrong with what Musk said, I personally respect him, he created a lot and continues to work, but it's time for Rogozin to buy a trampoline himself and drive him out of the industry. They need real specialists who do, and do not skim the money and write laudatory articles. Ours only know how to steal, but the merits of engineers and designers are not deservedly forgotten.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 5 2021 14: 23
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      At Roskosmos, the situation begins to improve since 2018, when Rogozin was in the chair of the village manager - the accident rate of launches fell to zero, a clear project line began to appear and work and yes, they began to steal much less money than before.
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 April 5 2021 18: 33
        +2
        Compare the accident rates in the years with the maximum number of launches with those today, when Russia dropped to the third place in the world in terms of launches.
        And try to grasp the connection.
        Well, or ascribe it to Rogozin.
  • Jaromir
    Jaromir April 5 2021 14: 25
    +6
    Elon Musk, founder and owner of SpaceX, made a recommendation to Russian rocket designers

    laughing We ourselves will figure out what to do, without enemy advice.
  • Dmt
    Dmt April 5 2021 15: 05
    +3
    News: "The Space-X company, headed by Elon Musk, has once again carried out successful tests on the explosion of a prototype launch vehicle" has already become a meme, and there it is - to give advice lol
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 5 2021 17: 08
      +3
      We are waiting for the official reason for the SN 11 accident and the launch of SN 15. Whoever said anything, but Musk and his office took up the most complex machine in the entire history of mankind - a reusable interplanetary spacecraft, of course, nothing will go smoothly in this matter - there will be many problems and failures, but they will be solved the same. I think a manned version will be made by 2030.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr April 5 2021 18: 49
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        Quote: Vadim237
        I think a manned version will be made by 2030.

        I don’t understand - you recently claimed that everything will be done in 7 years, and now the date has been slowly being pushed back. And what does it mean "will be done" if you previously guaranteed FLIGHT to the Moon. Why would it be - where does the insider information come from?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 5 2021 22: 49
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          I said about the Artemis program that they will manage within 7 years - and not about the Starship.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr April 6 2021 11: 25
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            Quote: Vadim237
            I said about the Artemis program that they will manage within 7 years - and not about the Starship.

            Okay, let's say I did not understand your idea, but still I would like to clarify at what time, according to your personal forecasts, Musk will send people not to Mars, but at least to the Moon in order to repeat the landing there fifty years ago. Can you predict without any "if" and other excuses?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 April 6 2021 17: 21
              -1
              In the unmanned version, Starship will definitely land on the moon until 2030, the manned version is not sure that until 2030 they will make a too risky landing scheme, and the SAS system is not observed in the project, and without it, no one will certify the manned version.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr April 6 2021 20: 17
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                Quote: Vadim237
                In the unmanned version, Starship will definitely land on the moon until 2030, the manned version is not sure that until 2030 they will make a too risky landing scheme, and the SAS system is not observed in the project, and without it, no one will certify the manned version.

                So it means "either the donkey dies, or the shah dies" - you were even afraid to designate the date of the MANNERED flight to the Moon and the landing of astronauts, something that the Americans did easily fifty-odd years ago. So then there was no risk, but now the risk has appeared - think in an original way, you will not say anything. And after that, you will convince me to believe in American tales about their conquest of the moon? I think that the Chinese will land on the moon faster than Musk will be able to organize something in 2030. I liked your reservations - I realized that you yourself don’t believe a fig that they will be able to approach a manned flight in 2030, and this already speaks about the level of your argumentation.
  • Bare
    Bare April 5 2021 15: 23
    -3
    Elon Musk who is this? Who is it?! Dust under the feet of Roscosmos!
    1. Cosm22
      Cosm22 April 5 2021 18: 36
      +1
      Mask ... Mask ...
      The surname is something very familiar ...
      Isn't this the same Musk who, just a few years ago, the jingoistic patriots called only a swindler, a sharper, an adventurer and a charlatan? Not understanding anything either in astronautics or in the automotive industry? And his brainchildren Tesla and Space were predicted very soon bankruptcy and death?
      And you see how it turned out ... The fraudster suddenly became the richest man in the world ...
      Does the scam pay so well?
      Or is the matter different?
      The fact is that sometimes once a century people appear who are able to see farther than others? People who are not dominated by established patterns and dogmas? Who have amazingly developed intuition and scientific foresight? And who, thanks to this, are able to lay on the blades in a matter of years the entire mighty state Roscosmos, taking away from it practically the entire commercial segment of space launches in favor of their private shop?
  • Dart2027
    Dart2027 April 5 2021 19: 43
    +2
    As planned by the developers, the rocket will launch 9,5 tons into low-earth orbit with the reusable first stage and 12 tons with a single

    That is, you will have to increase the number of launches. The question is whether it will be more profitable.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 5 2021 22: 51
      -1
      If reusable steps made with the massive use of additive technologies are used, then yes, it will be very effective.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 April 6 2021 19: 18
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        If reusable steps made with the massive use of additive technologies will be used

        I may be wrong, but the stage is not the most expensive part of a rocket launch. It would be interesting to look at specific numbers.
  • Usher
    Usher April 5 2021 23: 05
    -1
    The charlatan was not asked))) Same constructor for me)))
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 6 2021 02: 09
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    American billionaire Elon Musk, founder and owner of SpaceX, made a recommendation to Russian rocket designers.
    On our designers "overcoat was scribbled", and on this green snot ... laughing Well, in general, it would sit in its greenery, and not rock the boat.
  • Engineer Schukin
    Engineer Schukin April 6 2021 06: 06
    +1
    Quote: ccsr
    Two ditched shuttle crews and the shameful closure of this program - that's all the prestige of America.

    you have problems with your head, you shouldn't write on cosmotema.
  • Twodi
    Twodi April 6 2021 22: 05
    0
    Draft design, which means we will see at least 10 years later.
  • Xscorpion
    Xscorpion April 10 2021 15: 30
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    Quote: Cosm22
    It is not necessary to carry nonsense. Not serious. Do not write a comment to Murzilka.
    1. Falcon Heavy flies. There were three successful launches. I emphasize - successful. A new order will appear - it will fly again without any doubt. The only problem is that there are not so many orders for such a heavy duty cycle, the market is limited. This, by the way, is a hint to Roskosmos, which sculpts Yenisei dons without a safety net for the future in the middle class. Kohl has not even decided on the appearance of the central module.
    2. Don't lie. In the first launch, two boosters successfully landed at Cape Canaveral. Failure occurred only with the central unit. But the percentage of successful return of the super-heavy stages is 66,7%. An indicator that no other country in the world has. There is no talk of Russia at all. In the second launch, all boosters and the central unit successfully landed. The return success rate is 100%. In the third launch, both boosters successfully landed on the pad, the central block missed the pad. The success value is 66,7%. The cumulative value of successful landings is 77,8%. An indicator, I repeat, which has not been achieved by any country in the world, including Russia. What kind of XNUMX% accident rate are we talking about? Where do you get this information? From your dreams?
    3. A carrier was created primarily for the withdrawal of severe PN. And the LV coped with this task 100%. And it will cope with any next launch as soon as the order appears. Landing steps is a bonus to the carrier, but it cannot be the main goal in any way. The main goal is the withdrawal of a PS with a mass of 63,8 tons to LEO, 26,7 tons to GPO. In all three successful launches, the task was brilliantly completed.
    4. In general, to school. Learn materiel. To expose yourself for the amusement of the public is not worth it. Not solid.

    Once again, I say XNUMX% accident rate. Not one step survived. And the second one also gurgled from the platform on which it sat down. And the fact that there were some parts that survived, they still went to scrap, since the central main part in all cases was broken shattered, and without it, these little pieces have no meaning. If you completely wrecked the car, you will probably also rejoice at the surviving seat or wheel and shout that everything is in order?
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    2. Venya Selnikov
      Venya Selnikov April 12 2021 19: 06
      -1
      the fact that there are some parts survived, they still went for scrap

      You just once again confirm your inadequacy.
      All SpaceX steps are numbered and easy to track (especially reuse). For example, the sides B1052 and B1053, which were used to launch the Heavy Arabsat 6A in April 19, were reused in June of the same year in the Heavy STP-2 mission (for warriors, by the way).
      Everyone would be so scrapped ...
      1. Xscorpion
        Xscorpion April 14 2021 12: 29
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        Quote: Venya Selnikov
        the fact that there are some parts survived, they still went for scrap

        You just once again confirm your inadequacy.
        All SpaceX steps are numbered and easy to track (especially reuse). For example, the sides B1052 and B1053, which were used to launch the Heavy Arabsat 6A in April 19, were reused in June of the same year in the Heavy STP-2 mission (for warriors, by the way).
        Everyone would be so scrapped ...

        Well, read in more detail, it was officially stated that the surviving side accelerators were not reused. Musk himself stated this. So I say again that all three out of three attempts to land the Heavy ended in complete failure. That there are a couple of unnecessary ones survived. side accelerators, this does not make sense since the step itself crashed. See for yourself, you drove a car to point A from point B. We arrived without incident, when returning back at point B there was an accident, as a result of which the car was almost completely destroyed, say one wheel and one door survived. And you proudly declare that the trip, in principle, went well, just crashed the car, but the wheel and the door survived, which theoretically can be used in the construction of a new car. So the car is the stage that should was to come back. Whole and completely. This is the meaning of reusability, which has not been achieved in all launches.