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NATO standards of Ukraine: the path to the military bloc for Kiev may be insurmountable

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In the photo - representatives of the Armed Forces of Ukraine



These days, the North Atlantic military bloc celebrates its 72nd anniversary. Over the years of its existence, in addition to the first "gathering" of the participating states, there have been several expansions, including those that took place after the collapse of the USSR. Then they promised Gorbachev that not a step to the east ... They deceived him. Although from the then leadership of the country, the demand is at least about a strange gullibility in relation to Western partners.

Today Ukraine and Georgia are striving to join NATO.

The Ukrainian authorities have repeatedly declared their adherence to the course of the country's accession to NATO, as evidenced by the statements on this topic by some Ukrainian politicians. But, despite the desire to join the bloc, Kiev wants to understand how the countries of the North Atlantic Alliance see cooperation with Ukraine in the coming years. NATO representatives and the Ukrainian authorities often say that the doors to the alliance are open for Kiev, but in reality the process is practically not moving: in 2020, Ukraine received only the status of a partner of expanded opportunities. The point is that in order for Ukraine to be accepted into the alliance, it needs to solve all its internal problems, which it clearly does not strive for, this is the main obstacle to joining.

Despite the fact that NATO is postponing Ukraine's entry into its ranks, the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense decided to change military rank in accordance with NATO standards, this process began in 2019, when the new President of Ukraine Zelensky signed a corresponding decree on the beginning of the reform. But this decision has a purely image effect, which in no way increases the level of compatibility of the armed forces of Ukraine with the armies of NATO member states, no matter what high officials from the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine declare there.

The country's constitution also enshrines a course towards becoming a full member of NATO. The President approved a national program under the auspices of Ukraine-NATO. In this program, special attention is paid to the transfer of the armed forces to the standards of the North Atlantic bloc, as well as improving the compatibility of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the armies of the member countries of the bloc.

In the armies of NATO member states, all uniformity of weapons, uniforms and military equipment is determined and enshrined in special standards and agreements.

The states of the North Atlantic Alliance accept these agreements and implement NATO standards in their armed forces. Back in 2017, Kiev adopted a program for the development of the armed forces, according to which the Ukrainian army must achieve compatibility with NATO by 2020. Reached?



As you can see, by all its actions, the Ukrainian leadership demonstrates to the Western countries that it is ready to become a NATO member. This is due to the conviction of the political authorities and part of the population that the country's entry into NATO is a guarantee of the return of the lost Crimea and Donbass, and will also solve many other problems.

At the end of 2020, the Ukrainian authorities announced plans to become a full-fledged member of the alliance by 2030, and that providing Kiev with an action plan for membership in the alliance will become a new motivating factor for further movement along the path of reforms.

However, despite the persistent desire and constant reminders of its readiness to become a member of the North Atlantic bloc, according to many experts, the path to NATO is closed for Ukraine. As mentioned earlier, in order for this to happen, it is necessary to solve all the problems that have accumulated in the country, to establish relations with the republics of Donbass, to carry out the necessary reforms, etc.

The member states of the alliance are aware that a partner like Ukraine will bring more problems than good to the bloc. NATO fuels Ukraine's hopes, encourages their aspirations to become a member of the bloc, allows them to participate in joint events that create the appearance of Kiev's participation in the bloc, but does not take decisive steps.

Western countries are using Kiev to their advantage, keeping it on a leash with the prospect of joining the alliance. They hint that Ukraine is almost in an alliance, promise that it will be supported if it makes a provocation against Russia. The Ukrainian authorities believe these promises, but do not take into account the sad experience of the same Georgia.

I would also like to note that the transition to NATO standards will not increase the defense capability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, because in addition to new ranks, it will be necessary to re-equip with new equipment, and this costs a lot of money, which Ukraine does not have. Kiev is still trying to meet the standards, for this purpose they change shoulder straps, military ranks, but this does not require significant costs and creates a kind of illusion that the army now almost meets the standards of the alliance, although in reality the Armed Forces of Ukraine are far from the level of the army of the North Atlantic bloc.

Countries such as Latvia and Lithuania, which have been members of the alliance for many years, can be cited as examples. Before joining, they were not threatened at all, and now, when they joined NATO, they are viewed by other Western states exclusively as territories where military bases are located and bridgeheads are created for the deployment of NATO troops in the event of a military conflict with Russia. For all the years of membership in the North Atlantic bloc, they did not have their own combat (not decommissioned and transferred from abroad) aircraft and ships, and as a result, these countries became a potential target for strikes in the event of a military conflict.

And most, perhaps, most importantly, in order to implement its projects and plans, Ukraine aspires to NATO, hoping that the West will dare to unleash a war with Russia on its territory. But the Western countries easily calculate these goals of Ukraine, because the transfer of the conflict to a hot phase is not in the interests of the West and the United States, a sluggish conflict is much more profitable for them, it makes Russia constantly spend resources, and it can also be used for political blackmail. This means that Ukraine's entry into NATO will be delayed to the last, continuing to feed the authorities in Kiev with endless, unrealizable promises. And the path to the military bloc may turn out to be insurmountable for Kiev.
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  1. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 5 2021 09: 14
    +2
    Deceived. Although from the then leadership of the country, the demand is at least about a strange gullibility in relation to Western partners.
    They did not deceive the "gullible", just these "gullible" have long betrayed the country and the people, and followed the instructions of the owners.
  2. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk April 5 2021 09: 16
    +3
    In the photo some kind of rabble, even the shoes are different)
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 5 2021 09: 23
      +2
      Quote: From Tomsk
      In the photo some kind of rabble, even the shoes are different)

      Well, they were not going to the war, but to barbecues under the vodka.
      1. 210ox
        210ox April 5 2021 09: 31
        +2
        Look at me. Some kind of idiot Bandera minus.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 5 2021 09: 33
          +3
          Quote: 210ox
          Look at me. Some kind of idiot Bandera minus.

          Means exactly in the eye. I love when Bandera rage.
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky April 5 2021 19: 07
          +3
          Quote: 210ox
          Look at me. Some kind of idiot Bandera minus.

          And not alone. Here, on the invisible "minus front" of 6 permanent heads, they hang around and a dozen more are drawn from time to time.
          The most amazing thing is that they really believe that mattresses are their friends. request
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov April 6 2021 13: 17
            +1
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            And not alone. Here, on the invisible "minus front" of 6 permanent heads, they hang around and a dozen more are drawn from time to time.

            So they have an information attack before the blitzkrieg, when they get in the face and run to hide in the caches! laughing

            As for the NATO dreams of Bandera, then never they not will be brothers to NATO, and forever will remain despicable servants! laughing laughing laughing
    2. 210ox
      210ox April 5 2021 09: 25
      +1
      Well, this is an old photograph, probably five years ago. Now they are more or less dressed up. Although rabble as they were and are. But I think that by 2030 they will come up shakily to NATO membership.
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 5 2021 09: 31
        +1
        Quote: 210ox
        But I think that by 2030 they will come up shakily to NATO membership.

        Will they still exist by 2030?
        1. 210ox
          210ox April 5 2021 09: 35
          0
          And where will they go with the underwater ... Ugh, from the planet Earth? I also thought that the year was like that in 2014, but they will be supported. For near Russia, and she needs to shit. The mongrels are fed. The bad news is that Russian business is also involved.
        2. Alexander Kopychev
          Alexander Kopychev April 5 2021 10: 35
          0
          Quote: 210ox
          But I think that by 2030 they will come up shakily to NATO membership.

          Will they still exist by 2030?

          If the Russian Federation, following the example of 39-40, in anticipation of the growing threat, does not move its borders to the Curzon line. laughing
          1. 210ox
            210ox April 5 2021 10: 45
            -1
            It's only in dreams. Unfortunately.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 5 2021 09: 39
        -1
        Quote: 210ox
        Now they are more or less dressed up. Although rabble as they were and are.

        In order to at least look like NATU, it is necessary to adjust the clothing allowance for this "shop", housing conditions, boiler allowance, and this requires a lot of money, which is so lacking for generals and colonels, not to mention the rank and file (yes, I forgot, toilets make warm, and ban vodka with bacon).
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    5. WIKI
      WIKI April 5 2021 09: 43
      +1
      Can you confirm that the photo shows a regular army, and not those summoned for retraining?
    6. GEOID
      GEOID April 5 2021 11: 38
      0
      Police. In 2015 they were sent to Mariupol.
  3. prior
    prior April 5 2021 09: 19
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    Ukraine in NATO will either ruin NATO or ruin it.
    Three battalions of the Baltic states are about nothing. lol
    But the Ukrainian ensign is a "terrible" force. laughing
    In general, the Ukrainian "herd" is quite ready for "meat processing" even without NATO.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus April 5 2021 09: 26
      -3
      send kokhla-prapor to AB USA - and Russia will win in TrMV
    2. Intruder
      Intruder April 5 2021 09: 27
      -1
      Ukraine in NATO will either ruin NATO or ruin it.
      just divorced, according to the old Odessa habit ... laughing
    3. Egoza
      Egoza April 5 2021 09: 33
      +2
      Quote: prior
      But the Ukrainian ensign is a "terrible" force

      Especially if she speaks in a new language. NATO will immediately decide that they are trapped by the Russians.
      But it turns out ...
      Zelensky's press secretary Yulia Mendel.
      “Russia is not a monopoly on the Russian language. And it is high time for us to demonopolize the Russian language ourselves. And loudly declare that there is Ukrainian Russian language in Ukraine, ”she said.
      Source: https://rusvesna.su/news/1617599211
      1. prior
        prior April 5 2021 09: 38
        0
        This means that, continuing the thought of this Mendel, the Russian language must be confirmed in Ukraine as the state language, and Ukrainian, respectively, in the local dialect, surzhik.
        No. It is better not to try to find logic and meaning in the conclusions of Ukrainian pidriots, it is easy to "fly off the rails" yourself. love No. what
      2. Avior
        Avior April 5 2021 09: 43
        0
        Sorry, just wondering ...
        And you personally distinguish a Russian-speaking resident of Ukraine from a Russian-speaking resident of Russia
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 5 2021 10: 04
          +1
          Quote: Avior
          Sorry, just wondering ...
          And you personally distinguish a Russian-speaking resident of Ukraine from a Russian-speaking resident of Russia

          Avior , will you still claim that you are a Russian, and your concern for the Outskirts is just a desire to avoid strife?
          No, of course you have the right to have your own opinion about the Outskirts and express it. But at the same time, you need to be at least elementary honest ...
          You "Russian-speaking outskirts" gives not language, but a way of thinking, and views on the state of affairs of the VNA.

          Now directly to the Russian language in Russia ...

          Can you imagine how big Russia is and how many dialects and dialects there are in it?

          For example, my South Russian dialect with "gekan" (frikkativ) sounds in unison in the Don and Krasnodar, and is categorically opposite to the "G" from central Russia.

          And the Volga region, and Udmurtia, and the Russian North?

          Past, Avior, by ...

          And in your opinion - "skidno-okrainsky" wassat Russian language

          1. Avior
            Avior April 5 2021 11: 06
            0
            Don't strain like that.
            I was convinced for a long time that communication with you is not interesting - you are not responsible for your words.
            hi
        2. prior
          prior April 5 2021 10: 06
          +1
          Elementary Watson. The Ukrainian "ge" even for a Russian speaker will have a "ge". wink
          It is indestructible, like the Vologda "o".
          There are many more features, such as names and terms commonly used in the local vocabulary.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent April 5 2021 10: 16
            +1
            Quote: prior
            Elementary Watson. The Ukrainian "ge" even for a Russian speaker will have a "ge".
            It is indestructible, like the Vologda "o".

            I suppose that it is not Watson, but Mykola, although he himself does not "inject" yet, the truth has already ceased to emphasize his "Russianness" ...
          2. Dimide
            Dimide April 5 2021 10: 20
            -4
            You need to work on yourself more laughing
            I got rid of the "ge" after 3 months, but I started to "chew" and now they only give me "culinary addictions" laughing
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent April 5 2021 10: 27
              +3
              Quote: Dimid
              You need to work on yourself more
              I got rid of the "ge" after 3 months, but I started to "chew" and now they only give me "culinary addictions"

              Ravshan Askerovich and Dzhamshut Farukhovich, gaster in Russia, were also exposed to the influence of the linguistic environment ...

              But at the same time, their culinary preferences, like yours, did not change. yes

              1. Dimide
                Dimide April 5 2021 10: 35
                -4
                I will reveal a little secret, I have never lifted anything heavier than a glass, except in my youth at the construction of my parents' summer house.
                So your "sparkling humor" - by
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent April 5 2021 10: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: Dimid
                  I will reveal a little secret, I have never lifted anything heavier than a glass, except in my youth at the construction of my parents' summer house.
                  So your "sparkling humor" - by

                  Well... what , since not gaster, then why belay did you need to get rid of the "Gekanya" and start "Chucking"? ? ?

                  Are you preparing to drop into Vorog's territory, or are you just waiting for the Russians?

                  Tricolor - where are they hidden?
                  1. Dimide
                    Dimide April 5 2021 10: 50
                    -2
                    Before the collapse, he managed to live and serve in Siberia.
                    Why do I need a tricolor, we have other state attributes
                    1. Insurgent
                      Insurgent April 5 2021 11: 00
                      -2
                      Quote: Dimid
                      Why do I need a tricolor, we have other state attributes

                      yes And another goal setting ...

                      1. Dimide
                        Dimide April 5 2021 11: 02
                        -4
                        Well, what else can you expect from a regular propagandist.
                        I already wrote that humor is not your "strong point"
            2. Black lotos
              Black lotos April 5 2021 12: 26
              -3
              Quote: Dimid
              You need to work on yourself more

              speech is filtered out in the environment.
              For example, in Lviv, you can easily and naturally switch to Ukrainian in two hours. In St. Petersburg you say "what" and you don't shock. In Odessa, you start to shock and shock.
              The environment forms speech.
              A couple of days with the Americans and you start to "who" and where "to beat.
              The world is global - a person adapts to the environment.
              1. Dimide
                Dimide April 5 2021 12: 45
                -3
                So yes, I completely agree with you.
                The "ear" cuts at first, and then you assimilate imperceptibly
          3. Avior
            Avior April 5 2021 11: 27
            +3
            Not everyone speaks like Vika's nanny from the series.
            And you can hear local names and terms typical for Ukraine in Belgorod or Labinsk, while the locals believe that this is precisely their dialect
            1. Dimide
              Dimide April 5 2021 12: 53
              -3
              This has always been the case in border areas.
        3. Flooding
          Flooding April 5 2021 10: 26
          -2
          Quote: Avior
          And you personally distinguish a Russian-speaking resident of Ukraine from a Russian-speaking resident of Russia

          + + +
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 5 2021 09: 40
      -3
      Quote: prior
      In general, the Ukrainian "herd" is quite ready for "meat processing" even without NATO.

      What difference does it make for NATO, who or what to throw under the tanks.
      1. prior
        prior April 5 2021 09: 45
        -1
        Exactly what a difference. And this is their quirkiness. Well, not yourself, not your blacks. Negroes are now far more valuable than Ukrainians. Addict Floyd is not some kind of Bandera from Galicia.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 5 2021 10: 09
          -1
          Quote: prior
          Addict Floyd is not some kind of Bandera from Galicia.
          "Black Lives Matter", let him sit in the trenches, for this there are lads with a / on.
    5. Flooding
      Flooding April 5 2021 10: 00
      -1
      Quote: prior
      Ukrainian "herd" is quite ready for "meat processing"

      You have allowed yourself the impermissible.
      Even about the Nazis during the Great Patriotic War, they did not write like that.
      Is what you wrote very different from "Moskalyaku to Gilyaku"?
      Ashamed of you and those who put "+" on this comment.
      1. prior
        prior April 5 2021 10: 15
        -1
        I am very ashamed, especially when I see footage of torchlight processions in Kiev, the mother of Russian cities.
        I am ashamed that I am not on the Shilka in their way.
        The minced meat would be excellent ...
        You propose to me to be ashamed of hatred of fascists and Bandera ruffians !?
        Have you forgotten what dishes are offered in their ....... eateries?
        Have you personally killed anyone yet? No. Thank God. Then be ashamed silently.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding April 5 2021 10: 21
          0
          Quote: prior
          You propose to me to be ashamed of hatred of fascists and Bandera ruffians !?

          what did you write about Bandera and fascists?
          Quote: prior
          Ukrainian "herd" is quite ready for "meat processing"

          nothing! not a word!
          do not disgrace and do not twist
          with your shameful words you wave at the hostility that was inflated on the Maidan
        2. Flooding
          Flooding April 5 2021 10: 22
          -1
          Quote: prior
          Have you personally killed anyone yet? No. Thank God. Then be ashamed silently.

          the question is incorrect
          I wrote about human morality
          what are you talking about?
          call to turn into executioners and butchers in your own words about the herd and meat processing?
          1. prior
            prior April 5 2021 10: 33
            -1
            I mean that the fucking Maidan and Bandera scum have not spared me and my family.
            And he never intends to forgive them anything.
            The Ukrainian "herd" is not about the Ukrainian people, it is about the Nazis and Ukrainian fascists.
            What kind of morality can we talk about among fascists and murderers?
            If my cynicism forces some Ukrainian conscripts to refuse to participate in the fratricidal war, not to become "cannon fodder", this will save not only their lives, but many others as well.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding April 5 2021 10: 35
              -1
              Quote: prior
              I mean that the fucking Maidan and Bandera scum have not spared me and my family.
              And he never intends to forgive them anything.
              The Ukrainian "herd" is not about the Ukrainian people, it is about the Nazis and Ukrainian fascists

              so watch your words and do not sow ethnic strife
            2. Flooding
              Flooding April 5 2021 10: 45
              +2
              Quote: prior
              If my cynicism forces some Ukrainian conscripts to refuse to participate in the fratricidal war, not to become "cannon fodder", this will save not only their lives, but many others as well.

              You are raving.
              How can an outrageous commentary written by you have a blatant influence on the minds in Ukraine?
              Quote: prior
              Ukrainian "herd" is quite ready for "meat processing"

              this is doubly cynical
            3. Flooding
              Flooding April 5 2021 10: 55
              +1
              Quote: prior
              I mean that the fucking Maidan and Bandera scum have not spared me and my family

              Klaas's ash hits the chest - go fight with weapons in your hands. But don't stir up on the forums.
        3. Flooding
          Flooding April 5 2021 10: 24
          +2
          Quote: prior
          Have you forgotten what dishes are offered in their ....... eateries?

          I'm just talking about it
          you become like them
          I already wrote about it above
          one to one, ethnic hatred
          1. prior
            prior April 5 2021 10: 44
            -4
            Do not ascribe interethnic strife to me. The fascists have no nationality.
            Initially, the topic of the article was about Ukraine's participation in the NATO military bloc, and not about a peace conference on Donbass.
            The terms were used precisely in the military sense.
            Everything. The discussion is over.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding April 5 2021 10: 46
              +1
              Quote: prior
              Do not ascribe interethnic strife to me. The fascists have no nationality

              you yourself attributed it to yourself
              Quote: prior
              Ukrainian "herd" is quite ready for "meat processing"


              Quote: prior
              The terms were used precisely in the military sense.

              stop writing nonsense and justifying your obscene provocative behavior
              where is at least one term here?
              Quote: prior
              Ukrainian "herd" is quite ready for "meat processing"

              I insist: by inciting hatred on a national basis, you wave to the Maidan
              and the question of "meat processing" should be addressed to a psychiatrist
        4. Black lotos
          Black lotos April 5 2021 12: 29
          0
          Quote: prior
          I am ashamed that I am not on the Shilka in their way.
          The minced meat would be excellent ...

          you would not be understood even in solidarity with the rejection of the purpose of the march.
          Yes, and Shilka in the middle of Kiev on the march is some kind of maniacs.
  4. Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi April 5 2021 09: 22
    +4
    IDF in 1949.


    And nothing. The road will be mastered by the walking one.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 April 5 2021 09: 28
      +3
      Are you serious ... are the skakuas going somewhere?
    2. mark1
      mark1 April 5 2021 09: 33
      -2
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Road going by walking.

      This is if for them, as for you, your uncle will open the wallet wider.
      1. mark1
        mark1 April 5 2021 11: 32
        +1
        Why is it wrong, gentlemen who have lost their way for 40 years? You tell me that the United States did not give you a spear or a dollar? And now an agreement on military assistance is in effect, and later on, technologies will be open to you.
        And anyone understands that it is easier for money (others) to enter NATO standards than without them or (God forbid) for their own.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 5 2021 09: 42
      -3
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      And nothing. The road will be mastered by the walking one.

      You had an idea, and you knew for what and for whom you would fight.
    4. lucul
      lucul April 5 2021 09: 45
      -2
      IDF in 1949.

      Yes ? Why don't you show the Jews from the USSR who went through fire and water in 1941-1945? They also made the weather in the IDF.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 5 2021 10: 19
        -1
        Quote: lucul
        Yes ? Why don't you show the Jews from the USSR who went through fire and water in 1941-1945? They also made the weather in the IDF.
        On May 18, 1948, the Soviet Union was the first to recognize the Jewish state de jure. On the occasion of the arrival of Soviet diplomats, about two thousand people gathered in the building of one of the largest cinemas in Tel Aviv "Ester", about five thousand more people stood on the street who listened to the broadcast of all the speeches. A large portrait of Stalin and the slogan "Long live friendship between the State of Israel and the USSR!" Were hung over the presidium table. The working youth choir sang the Jewish anthem, then the anthem of the Soviet Union. The whole audience was already singing "Internationale".
      2. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi April 5 2021 11: 04
        +1
        Quote: lucul
        IDF in 1949.

        Yes ? Why don't you show the Jews from the USSR who went through fire and water in 1941-1945? They also made the weather in the IDF.

        Not really, but we did something.
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 5 2021 10: 23
      -1
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      IDF in 1949.
      The Americans imposed an embargo on the supply of weapons to the region, the British continued to arm their Arab satellites, the Jews were left with nothing: their partisan detachments could only defend themselves with homemade guns and rifles and grenades stolen from the British.
  5. rocket757
    rocket757 April 5 2021 09: 27
    +1
    NATO standards of Ukraine: the path to the military bloc for Kiev may be insurmountable
    Yes, really ... who would have thought such a thing?
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell April 5 2021 10: 13
      +2
      hi
      NATO standards of Ukraine ...

      In the armies of NATO member states, all uniformity of weapons, uniforms and military equipment is determined and enshrined in special standards and agreements.

      The author forgot to mention that these are also standards for management structures, communication systems and data transmission: everything that is really necessary for the bourgeoisie for their own peace of mind, we are looking for a lot of examples in the Baltic states. And all this fuss with titles is for the next "cut": grain by grain ..., there we will re-sew the shoulder straps, there will also change what decor.
      Unfortunately, Nata is capable and has the ability to play for a long time, anywhere except in ... they will not enter any time soon, but chestnuts made of fire will carry them with their hands.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 5 2021 10: 42
        +1
        Quote: Pete Mitchell
        And all this fuss with titles is for the next "cut": grain by grain ..., there we will re-sew the shoulder straps, there will also change what decor.

        Without significant costs, besides.
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell April 5 2021 11: 58
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          Without significant costs, besides.

          No cost, this is as long as they themselves will portray the activity. And then a continuous "democratic delusion" - everything that is in the interests of Nata will be done at their expense: everything will be "beautifully wrapped", a lot of speeches and champagne will be used up, but the banquet will be at the expense of the "candidates"
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 April 5 2021 12: 15
            0
            Pretending that they work, change, transform ... the mind, and the cost is not required much.
            But really WORK, DO, CHANGE ... there is a lot of things to do.
            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell April 5 2021 12: 18
              +3
              Quote: rocket757
              But really WORK, DO, CHANGE ... there is a lot of things to do.

              And this is another "democratic delusion" - the Natava uncles will come and do everything ... no - the uncles will indicate what to do, gently, and will demand to pay harshly ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 April 5 2021 12: 22
                0
                In order to learn and do something, you need at least two sides.
                We don't have to guess, just see what they get.
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell April 5 2021 12: 36
                  +1
                  Quote: rocket757
                  we can not guess, just see what they get

                  They themselves will not succeed, I think the 404s only want to "cut", but they are firmly taken put into circulation purposeful guys - they will crush their
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 April 5 2021 13: 11
                    0
                    So they become larger, more equipped, but they are far, far away from any standards.
                    1. Pete mitchell
                      Pete mitchell April 5 2021 13: 23
                      +2
                      Quote: rocket757
                      So they become larger, more equipped, but ...

                      Well, it's not for nothing that NATO members are building their centers in Nikolaev and Odessa: they need to ensure the flow of information to their control centers ... Then everything follows the classics: mail, telegraph, bridges ... aka command, control, communication, computer, intelligence, denied. ..
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 April 5 2021 13: 26
                        0
                        The whole sadness is that those people who are trying to push against us were with us before !!!
                      2. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell April 5 2021 13: 31
                        +1
                        Quote: rocket757
                        those people who are trying to push against us used to be with us
                        Sorry for the cynicism, but national pragmatism should be a priority.
                        404th wanted to "European democracy" - themselves, all by themselves now
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 April 5 2021 13: 39
                        +1
                        Anyone can make a mistake ... we also have enough jambs, but when it turns into a great tragedy, it will be difficult to restore everything.
                      4. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell April 5 2021 13: 41
                        +2
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Anyone can make a mistake ...

                        It's no doubt about it, but
                        Quote: Pete Mitchell
                        but national pragmatism should be a priority
                      5. rocket757
                        rocket757 April 5 2021 13: 57
                        +1
                        Pragmatism, without everything else ... no, not our way!
                        Everything should be combined reasonably, harmoniously, priorities should be set correctly and on time.
                      6. Pete mitchell
                        Pete mitchell April 5 2021 14: 15
                        +1
                        Quote: rocket757
                        Pragmatism, without everything else ... no, not our way!

                        And I want to agree with you, but sorry at the moment there is no reason yet
                      7. rocket757
                        rocket757 April 5 2021 14: 58
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                        So I have no reason / confidence that everything is being done AS IS NECESSARY !!! Alas, alas, I really want to, but ...
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins April 5 2021 09: 27
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    The author simply repeated the long-spoken mantra - Ukraine will not be accepted into NATO.
    Moreover, the usual set of agitprop repeats: standards, heritage, the level does not rise ...
    Once I studied this issue in detail. In the times of Yusch, there was wide advertising on Ukroin for joining the alliance. The people did not support.
    The author seems to have opened a magazine of those times and quickly scattered an article.
    Where do NATO standards begin?
    First things first - with logistics!
    Not from calibers and equipment, but from the connection between partners, units, divisions. Storage and supply. Mobility. The fact that it is already beginning to be implemented on Ukroin, the author shyly kept silent (Ochakov, Odessa, new barracks of the storage base and DR.)
    Weapons and calibers are secondary matters. In Germany, the MiG 29 stood for a long time, and the T 72 is still in service with the participating countries.
    The fact that NATO's neighbors will not be accepted tomorrow is understandable, and it was easy to spend money on an extensive text. But there are ways to do this. The same Stoltenberg stuttered about revising the rules for joining the alliance.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 5 2021 09: 48
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      The fact that NATO's neighbors will not be accepted tomorrow is understandable, and it was easy to spend money on an extensive text.

      But if necessary, they will.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 5 2021 09: 45
    -1
    Europe's desire is one thing, but having such an unpredictable NATO member is another.
  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 April 5 2021 11: 03
    -1
    Yes, yes, Ukrainians wait - wait!
    Just don't wait!
    The Europeans don't need to have the prospect of a hypothetical military conflict with Russia!
    Ukraine is too toxic a state to be admitted to the bloc. ...
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich April 5 2021 11: 12
    -1
    The Ukrainian authorities, like the citizens of Ukraine, have always "declared" something - they need money - "love for Russia" need loans - "love for Europe." This is called "multi-vector". One backwards, into two chairs. Or for two clients.
  • iouris
    iouris April 5 2021 12: 28
    0
    Ukraine will not join NATO. NATO can enter Ukraine even tomorrow. And Ukraine is Russia. What will the Russian Federation do with this?
  • Basarev
    Basarev April 6 2021 22: 26
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    But Russia could join NATO, it has no unresolved territorial conflicts (and this is one of the main conditions). Only until such a desire is not expressed.