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"All 10 brigades are leaving": Railway troops have begun construction of the second branch of the BAM

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"All 10 brigades are leaving": Railway troops have begun construction of the second branch of the BAM

The railway troops are starting the construction of the second branch of the Baikal-Amur Mainline (BAM). This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Defense.


The departure of the brigade of railway troops to the construction site began today, April 5. At the first stage, the work will be carried out by the servicemen of the 5th brigade of the railway troops, in the future, the forces of all 340 brigades will be involved in the work on the 10 km section.

On the 5th, the 10th brigade begins to enter the specified area. We must build the second branch of the Baikal-Amur Mainline (...) All 340 brigades are going to build the section, which is currently assigned to the railway troops from Ulak to Fevralsk - XNUMX km

- said the Deputy Minister of Defense, General of the Army Dmitry Bulgakov.

Bulgakov arrived in Abakan, where he checked the logistics of the 5th separate Poznan Red Banner railway brigade. The deputy minister inspected the fleet of automotive and special equipment, the conditions for its storage, maintenance and readiness to perform the assigned tasks.

Modernization of BAM and Transsib is included in the long-term development program of Russian Railways until 2025. According to the financial plan and investment programs of Russian Railways for 2021–2023, it is planned to complete the activities of the first stage of the development of railway communication in the Far East by the end of this year.

The Baikal-Amur Mainline is one of the largest railways passing through the Far East and Eastern Siberia. The total length of the highway is 4,3 thousand km.
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  1. Boris55
    Boris55 April 5 2021 07: 27
    +106
    What would we do without an army ... A flood is an army, a virus is an army, a railway is an army again, but where are the effective owners, where is the market that sets everything up by itself?
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra April 5 2021 07: 29
      -6
      In general, of course, it would be nice to send the Komsomol there - they did it last time, but they all have a leg hurting now, they have children
      1. Egoza
        Egoza April 5 2021 07: 36
        +53
        Quote: Cowbra
        It would be nice to send the Komsomol there - they did it last time, but they all have a leg hurting today, they have children

        So then there was KOMSOMOL !!! And now "effective managers". Let them sit at home, otherwise they will build it there. Although it may be that those who drive luxury cars, and do not have time to pay the fine, could be sent there, if under supervision.
        1. Civil
          Civil April 5 2021 08: 10
          +40
          All 10 brigades leave

          The cheapest option, the army builds for state money with the help of state property, but who will receive the profit ?.
          1. seregatara1969
            seregatara1969 April 5 2021 08: 23
            +10
            Well, here they are cunning. Not FSE brigades will go in full force. Someone is also obliged to carry out day-to-day planning tasks in the field.
            1. kapitan92
              kapitan92 April 5 2021 12: 05
              +9
              Quote: seregatara1969
              Well, here they are cunning. Not FSE brigades will go in full force. Someone is also obliged to carry out day-to-day planning tasks in the field.

              This will depend on the scope of work and timing.
              In the USSR there were 4 corps of railway troops, now in Russia there are 4 corps, Smolensk, Volgograd, Yekaterinburg, Khabarovsk. each corps has a railway brigade, in brigades, as a rule: Mehbat, Bridge Battalion, Travel Battalion, Rembat, a communications company, the staffing may vary depending on the tasks assigned.
              Since the corps has the task of providing regional cover, the number of brigades and battalions in brigades also varies.
              In the USSR, subdivisions of the Urgal brigade of the Railway Troops were involved in the construction of BAM.
              There were frequent redeployments of units from other Corps and Brigades.
              It’s necessary! L / S line-up gets a lot of experience !!! In the USSR, l / s paid money, when plans were fulfilled, a sergeant about 25 rubles / month, soldiers 10-15 rubles. So l / s also earned a little for demobilization.
              1. seregatara1969
                seregatara1969 April 5 2021 12: 34
                +2
                From Syzran nobody will be sent for sure!
                1. kapitan92
                  kapitan92 April 5 2021 12: 48
                  0
                  Quote: seregatara1969
                  From Syzran nobody will be sent for sure!

                  hi
                  I think not, though .........! smile
                  EMNIP, in Syzran, the bridge battalion of the railway. drinks
          2. Cowbra
            Cowbra April 5 2021 08: 27
            -9
            And the private trader will build according to the state order, the first phrase will be - ah-ah !!! Corruption, they gave state money to a private thief, ah-ah, everything was gone
          3. Doccor18
            Doccor18 April 5 2021 08: 30
            +20
            Quote: Civil
            All 10 brigades leave

            ... but who will receive the profit ?.

            Coal mining and metallurgical corporations.
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            2. Sawfly
              Sawfly April 5 2021 09: 57
              +7
              Who owns Russian Railways?
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon April 5 2021 10: 08
                +8
                Quote: Sawyer
                Who owns Russian Railways?

                The sole shareholder of Russian Railways is the Russian Federation. On its behalf, the powers of a shareholder are exercised by the Government of the Russian Federation
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter April 5 2021 10: 18
                  +17
                  Quote: Piramidon
                  Quote: Sawyer
                  Who owns Russian Railways?

                  The sole shareholder of Russian Railways is the Russian Federation. On its behalf, the powers of a shareholder are exercised by the Government of the Russian Federation

                  RZD does not pay anything to its sole shareholder at all - it only consumes. The three-year budget includes revenues from the monopoly, but its own plans do not.
                  There is a rule that 50% of the profits of state-owned companies (those where Russia controls 50% + 1 share or more) must be paid in the form of dividends. With a lot of caveats and incentives, major corporations comply with this rule. Russian Railways - no. It was possible, however, to persuade the company to pay by the end of 2019 ... with old cars that will go to Crimea, where Russian Railways, fearing sanctions, refused to enter.
                  Despite the fact that 100% of the shares of Russian Railways belong to the state, in fact, the content in these hundred percent is gradually becoming less and less. The company is slowly privatized, without putting it on the market, but separating the most profitable areas from it into separate companies and then selling them. The TransContainer has just been sold, and for quite a weighty 60 billion rubles. The auction looked fair - such heavyweights as Roman Abramovich and Vladimir Lisin, who, by the way, owning another Freight One, separated from Russian Railways, lost.
                  For a long time already there is no share of Russian Railways in the Central Passenger Suburban Company, which drives Muscovites and "zamkadyshes" on its own and rented from the same Russian Railways electric trains. That is, the creeping privatization of Russian Railways is still underway. True, the competition under which it is carried out (primarily between freight carriers) is still not visible on our railways.
                  1. edmed
                    edmed April 5 2021 10: 34
                    +11
                    [quote = Stroporez] [quote] The only shareholder of Russian Railways is the Russian Federation.
                    He whinnied like a horse, having fallen under the table, the demolition of the rolling stock, traction stock, branches from the "mainline" had already taken place, everything was dismantled by the "necessary" people who were left a little behind, to formalize it legally.
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter April 5 2021 12: 43
                      +7
                      Quote: edmed
                      the carve-up of rolling stock, traction stock, branches from the "highway" has already taken place, everything has been disassembled by the "necessary" people who have a little left behind, formalize

                      This is exactly what I wrote in my commentary, it just worked out for a long time, not everyone can master it)) laughing
                      Quote: edmed
                      The sole shareholder of Russian Railways is the Russian Federation.

                      Then I forgot to write - FORMAL. winked
                      1. edmed
                        edmed April 5 2021 13: 38
                        +2
                        Quote: Stroporez
                        The sole shareholder of Russian Railways is the Russian Federation.

                        Then I forgot to write - FORMAL.

                        It remains to find out who is the Russian Federation, names, surnames, positions ,.
                      2. lis-ik
                        lis-ik April 5 2021 14: 01
                        +3
                        Quote: edmed

                        It remains to find out who is the Russian Federation, names, surnames, positions ,.

                        All the same, strangers are not allowed into their circle.
                2. Starover_Z
                  Starover_Z April 5 2021 17: 06
                  +1
                  Quote: Stroporez
                  That is, the creeping privatization of Russian Railways is still underway. True, the competition under which it is carried out (primarily between freight carriers) is still not visible on our railways.

                  THOSE. "sawing" the road and specifically! So the menachers sitting on it have a very serious "roof", "high"! And the "roof" is satisfied with the policy pursued on the road!
                3. Cheerock
                  Cheerock April 6 2021 15: 22
                  0
                  Russian Railways has not had its own rolling stock for 10 years already. What are you talking about? Russian Railways has only infrastructure, and even then - not 100%. There may not be much competition between operators, but there is no situation like 15 years ago, when there were only Russian Railways cars and everyone was given 0-30% of applications. But it's cheap. Now it’s not cheap, but taking it away is not a problem.
          4. CastroRuiz
            CastroRuiz April 5 2021 12: 04
            -1
            + dengi za prevozku CN kontainerov.
        2. Serg65
          Serg65 April 5 2021 09: 22
          +12
          Quote: Civil
          the army builds for state money with the help of state property

          Moreover, he is building a railway, which is in state ownership ... what is the problem?
          Quote: Civil
          but who will receive the profit ?.

          Shareholders!
          1. DymOk_v_dYmke
            DymOk_v_dYmke April 5 2021 09: 49
            0
            Quote: Serg65
            Shareholders!

            The same flashed, however
            The founder and sole shareholder of Russian Railways is the Russian Federation. On behalf of the Russian Federation, the powers of a shareholder are exercised by the Government of the Russian Federation.
            Well, the government knows where to put the profits. hi
            1. Serg65
              Serg65 April 5 2021 09: 52
              +2
              Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
              Well, the government knows where to put the profits.

              And where do you think?
              1. DymOk_v_dYmke
                DymOk_v_dYmke April 5 2021 09: 59
                +3
                Quote: Serg65
                And where do you think?

                In the stabilization fund, in the government bonds of the damned.
                It (in symbiosis with the HSE) knows whose economy should be supported. hi
                1. Serg65
                  Serg65 April 5 2021 10: 09
                  +4
                  Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                  It (in symbiosis with the HSE) knows whose economy should be supported.

                  what I understood you correctly ... that is. roads, bridges, factories are being built by those whose economy is supported by our government?
                  1. DymOk_v_dYmke
                    DymOk_v_dYmke April 5 2021 14: 29
                    +1
                    Quote: Serg65
                    I understood you correctly ... that is. roads, bridges, factories are being built by those whose economy is supported by our government?

                    But I did not understand if you understood correctly.
                    Yes, bridges are being built in some places and roads in some places and not only in Moscow.
                    But in the regional centers of the hinterland, on most streets, the asphalt was renovated for the last time during the Soviet era. Is this normal for you?
                    It is stated that more and more housing is being built in our country,
                    but the same statistics record an annual increase in the percentage of hazardous housing.
                    Is that okay? This is capitalism.
                    I believe that the authorities are now investing significantly less than possible in the Russian economy.
                    1. Sergej1972
                      Sergej1972 April 5 2021 16: 30
                      +2
                      The condition of roads in regional centers is much better than in Soviet times.
                    2. Serg65
                      Serg65 April 6 2021 11: 02
                      0
                      Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                      I didn’t understand if you understood correctly.

                      And how can you understand your words differently ...
                      Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                      It (in symbiosis with the HSE) knows whose economy should be supported

                      Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
                      in the regional centers of the hinterland, on most streets, the asphalt was renovated for the last time during the Soviet era.

                      Here is the regional center of the hinterland, the city of Suvorov

                      Here is no less deep Mtsensk.

                      Well, the deepest Minusinsk

                      Not well, of course, you can search on profile Russophobic sites for photos of another plan, only these photos 10 15 years ago.
        3. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka April 5 2021 11: 19
          0
          but who will receive the profit ?.
          Of course "effective managers".
        4. krops777
          krops777 April 5 2021 13: 18
          +3
          The cheapest option, the army builds for state money with the help of state property, but who will receive the profit ?.


          Is it not strategic tasks that the army solves in the interests of the state and the army itself in this case? Including to ensure economic growth, and these are jobs, infrastructure, payments from the same profit to the budgets of all levels or not? For some reason, everything comes down to one denominator.
        5. nerd.su
          nerd.su April 5 2021 17: 53
          +2
          Quote: Civil
          The cheapest option, the army builds for state money with the help of state property, but who will receive the profit ?.

          The army is building one site 340 km away. It is unlikely that this is the entire second branch.
        6. Sergey M. Karasev
          Sergey M. Karasev April 5 2021 18: 29
          +3
          In fact, the second track on the BAM and the army itself will be very useful in case of possible complications in the Far East with the same China or Japan, when a quick transfer of troops to the Far East is required. After all, the BAM was also built as a duplicate path, in the event of a war with China, when they manage to cut the Transsib, because it passes there close to the border, especially near Skovorodino and from Khabarovsk to the south. But the single-track throughput is, frankly, not very good. So the army builds for itself, proceeding from the principle: "If you want to do well, do it yourself."
      2. yehat2
        yehat2 April 5 2021 09: 49
        +8
        Quote: Egoza
        So then there was KOMSOMOL !!! And now "effective managers".

        now there is also a "Komsomol". only he has a different name - the young guard.
        however, I doubt they will be able to lay even one tie.
      3. Hagen
        Hagen April 5 2021 11: 35
        +7
        Quote: Egoza
        So then there was KOMSOMOL !!! And now "effective managers".

        Have you noticed how the former Komsomol members became "effective managers"? By the way, the Komsomol members went to construction sites not for the smell of the taiga, but for the same double salaries with the Polars. So, the only difference between the present time and the previous one is the absence of centralized work on organizing jobs and a system of recruiting labor. And those who today do not have time to pay fines between violations, and earlier did not go to the Komsomol construction sites. They had their own, the Arbat SSR was, but there was no BAM. laughing
    2. Runway
      Runway April 5 2021 07: 37
      +6
      On the one hand, soldiers were building, on the other, convicts, they met, and the Komsomol celebrated the victory. laughing
      Hochma is old, but in a sausage-feudal society, it is archaic.
      1. hrych
        hrych April 5 2021 08: 01
        +18
        First, the army is a single, cohesive organization with a clear vertical line of power. Secondly, the railway is a strategic object not only for the economy, but also for defense. Thirdly, recent events have shown that it is impossible to hesitate. The Suez Canal has demonstrated its vulnerability, a confrontation between the statesmen who won in China and the globalists who won in the United States is brewing. For this, a biowar was unleashed, a combat virus was released, but the Chinese globalists lost, but Trump and the statesmen were overthrown in the United States. The New Silk Road (NSP), which the Chinese globalists ... and precisely the KOMSOMOLTS, fenced around Russia, will go through Russia. Therefore, the branch is certainly being built for this perspective. Also, the war in Karabakh did not end according to the plan of the globalists ... Russia took Karabakh with the consent of the Azerbaijan Republic and began the construction of a land corridor from Iran, through Armenia and Azerbaijan to Russia, where it will merge with the NSP. The globalists saw this corridor differently. Kolka Pashinyan tried to push him through, but broke off. And our corridor will connect, incl. on dry land Iran and China, no matter how ridiculous it may seem at first glance.
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 April 5 2021 08: 51
          +9
          Quote: hrych
          And our corridor will connect, incl. on dry land Iran and China, no matter how ridiculous it may seem at first glance.

          I agree. And I absolutely agree with the participation of the military. It means we have finished off the Chinese. At first, the Chinese suggested: "We build quickly, but you give us the management of what we have built." Ours refused and there was talk of transferring the IDP past Russia. With such a rasklpde as it is now they will carry through us, they will not go anywhere.
          1. hrych
            hrych April 5 2021 09: 16
            +7
            Only now, against the backdrop of a pandemic, there has been a Big Showdown in Greater China. The PLA, led by Xi, outnumbered the Komsomol-Trotskyists-globalists, closely associated with the Clintonites, etc., even though the latter staged a pandemic in order to overthrow the Xi grouping. The Clintonites tried to intervene and put pressure through Blinkin, but the first blinkin came out lumpy. I think the Chinese are investing their money in these branches, BAM is for them the essence of a way to survive and stop the naval blockade. Xi achieved the unlimited election of the head and became the King. Before that, he was only a major functionary in the motley elite of the PRC. He is extremely loyal to Russia, moreover, he treats him with great sympathy and grew up in reverence for Russian culture. The case that the Russian Federation did not cultivate its agent of influence, and so coincided from above.
        2. Runway
          Runway April 5 2021 09: 20
          +6
          Before you write the "sheet" with slogans, you looked at the map b.
          The non-Red army in a single impulse will build the Second branch (so that there is no reverse movement of steam locomotives) from the NA BAM station (Fevralsk) to the Ulak branch station, so that the "businessman and patron Avdolyan" can joke about selling coals from the Elga deposit to metallurgists (Chinese, etc.) h.).
          With this nonsense about Suez and the "NShP" land, you can not waste time.
          Yellow Long ago and heaply pushed through the transit through Kazakhstan and the SA to the Persians and the Caucasus, so that BAM on their boots ...
          1. hrych
            hrych April 5 2021 09: 46
            +1
            Quote: WFP
            looked at the map b

            So I would glance carefully wassat How to transfer an echelon from the PRC to Germany on dry land, without overloading, without ferries, etc., bypassing Russia? Also, smart people should understand that trains go to Kazakhstan through the rebellious Uyguria. In the event of war, the black cells will derail the trains. There are no borders between Kazakhstan and Iran, trains must be sent through Turkmenistan. Such a corridor has recently been built, but it is precisely to connect Iran with the Russian Federation. This is all from the other side of the Caspian. And there is such a tricky thing - logistics. Russia can afford to take Iranian oil and without distilling it to the PRC, to ship its equivalent to the Chinese. As it actually does with Turkmen hydrocarbons, etc. Therefore, you need to draw contour maps, study the problems of the Xinjiang Uygur region. Know where the industrial centers of the same China are located, take into account the problems of highlands and customs duties. Kazakhstan does not intend to work for nothing and will take customs duty, but the Russian Federation will take away its own customs duty. And here it is already necessary to think, they say. Is it worth paying twice when it's easier to pay once? wassat
            1. Runway
              Runway April 5 2021 10: 24
              +2
              "He closed his mouth - cleaned up his workplace" (about political workers).
              Out of 20 million containers of freight turnover between Europe and China, 2% is “our everything”. By 2025, a volume of up to 26-27 million containers is expected. Of these, up to 1,5 million pieces through the Russian Federation.
              The Kazakhs have managed to build 1998 km of railway tracks since 2500. The question is, how many kilometers of railway tracks have we built since 1998? For 2017 "if the chef doesn't lie to us" - about 500 km.
              About XUAR and separatism / highlands and other horrors - laughing
              1. hrych
                hrych April 5 2021 10: 55
                0
                It's not about now, but about the near future and your expected statistics for 25 years, define yourself as expected ... You are told in the event of a conflict in the South and East China Seas, in which the PRC will be left without sea supplies at ALL and hope only for deliveries from Russia. And also all conflicts in the Suez region, including sabotage and accidents, all conflicts in the Gulf of Persians and in the Indian Ocean in general, even without the direct participation of the PRC in the war, will simply parallize its economy. The PRC is not self-sufficient in mineral resources, not self-sufficient even in food, it receives this from outside and in exchange for its goods. Kazakhstan, of course, is good, but not a subject of international relations, but an object. Satan rockets make the Russian Federation a subject of international relations. That's the whole difference. Therefore, the PRC, unlike you, who is so smart, is not going to wait for a naval blockade, but is preparing backup logistics for this case. And therefore there is a commentator Mikhail with the nickname WFP, and there is Mr. C, each with his own concepts and scope of thought. And unlike WFP, the latter understands the problems of the XUAR, understands. that Afghanistan borders on it with NATO troops and "friendly" India, claiming part of the XUAR (Aksaychin)wassat
                1. Runway
                  Runway April 5 2021 13: 17
                  0
                  As for the question of numbers, we touch on - "I propose to proceed to the debate" - as expected ... laughing
                  You have forgotten the Panama Canal in the "heat of battle" ...
                  1. hrych
                    hrych April 5 2021 13: 50
                    0
                    And who controls it, this channel? In short, go on your own with your debate. If a prophet knows what will happen in 2025, then well done. But I have already heard how Blinkin quarreled with the Chinese in Anchorage, saw how Nike sneakers are boycotted in China, etc. I heard that the Chinese are interested in the Northern Sea Route, apparently from a good life with containers. wassat
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 April 5 2021 13: 55
                -1
                According to the program, the "Target version of the Development Strategy of the Russian Railways since 2000 provides for the following by 2030:

                to lay 20,7 thousand km of railway;
                upgrade 23 thousand locomotives;
                supply 1 million freight cars;
                to start up more than 23 thousand passenger cars;
                to increase the motor-carriage rolling stock by 24 thousand units. "
                1. Runway
                  Runway April 5 2021 14: 12
                  0
                  2008 to 2012 produced / delivered 2750 steam locomotives of all stripes (with the "planned" capacity of 1200 steam locomotives / year).
                  Steam locomotives will be able to collect 23 thousand (the technical condition of the park is not a fountain). Look through RZD-Partner, I wonder ...
      2. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke April 5 2021 09: 52
        +9
        Quote: WFP
        On the one hand, soldiers were building, on the other, convicts, they met, and the Komsomol celebrated the victory.

        The top of the Komsomol of that time is still celebrating victory.
        Victory over the country and the Soviet system.
    3. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich April 5 2021 07: 38
      0
      They cannot be taken away from computers. Yes, there is no wifi on BAM.
    4. xorek
      xorek April 5 2021 07: 43
      +13
      Quote: Cowbra
      In general, of course, it would be nice to send the Komsomol there - they did it last time, but they all have a leg hurting now, they have children

      Of course, it would be better, how many unemployed men are interrupted by small earnings .. I think many would have gone if it were all at the state level, otherwise parasites will usually stick in firms .. Well, the military is still a more reliable option and discipline .. Well done!
      1. stalki
        stalki April 5 2021 08: 53
        +2
        Of course, it would be better, how many unemployed men are interrupted by small earnings ... I think many would go if
        A real man is never unemployed, except for cataclysms. And then, the case will find itself.
        1. xorek
          xorek April 5 2021 09: 15
          +8
          Quote: stalki
          A real man is never unemployed, except for cataclysms. And then, the case will find itself.

          Are you writing from Moscow or something like that? I have read a lot of such businessmen here on the internet, and the authorities as well .. If only the times of the USSR were clear there, there was even an article for parasitism, because the work was for everyone, even the laziest ..
          1. stalki
            stalki April 5 2021 12: 33
            -1
            Are you writing from Moscow or something like that? I have read a lot of such businessmen here on the internet, and the authorities as well .. If only the times of the USSR were clear there, there was even an article for parasitism, because the work was for everyone, even the laziest ..
            Don't make excuses. No, not from Moscow from St. Petersburg (which is not better for you). Well, that's not the point. I was raised like that by my grandfather and grandmother, father and mother. Whoever is a parasite and a whiner will find a reason to grumble and look for guilty ones, and whoever dragged water from a water pump at 6 years old and a coal for the stove, who watched as grandfather turned sacks of potatoes and put a fence in an hour, and then was eager to help, he will not whine not in Moscow, not in Borisoglebsk, not in any village, nowhere. I look like you are a special intellectual, for what you don’t undertake? You don't have to answer, rhetorical. One place should be taken away from the sofa more often, then there will be more men.
            1. xorek
              xorek April 5 2021 15: 09
              -3
              Quote: stalki
              Don't make excuses

              I’m not making excuses. I’m just listening to another one as he jumped out of the 90s .. hi
              Quote: stalki
              No, not from Moscow from St. Petersburg (which is not better for you)

              Yes the same laughing Bourgeois !! Lenin is not on you (just kidding) ..
              Quote: stalki
              Well, that's not the point. I was raised like that by my grandparents, father and mother. Whoever is a parasite and a whiner will find a reason to grumble and look for guilty ones, and whoever dragged water from a water pump at 6 years old and a coal for the stove, who watched as grandfather turned sacks of potatoes and put a fence in an hour, and then was eager to help, he will not whine not in Moscow, not in Borisoglebsk, not in any village, nowhere. I look like you are a special intellectual, for what you don’t tackle? You don't have to answer, rhetorical. One place should be taken off the sofa more often, then there will be more men.

              I just shed a tear crying And what are you doing now. Hopefully in St. Petersburg the old ladies didn’t take out apartments in order to accumulate the initial capital?
              Or has the business already been laundered? Sorry, but I was right ..?
              Conscience is clearly tormented by "you are our worker from the 90s" This is your destiny and there is no need to drive tearful stories here .. Such as you at the end of the 90s, just shot and did the right thing ..
              People like you did not understand anything in the system! Live while .. bully
              1. stalki
                stalki April 5 2021 15: 30
                +3
                I just shed a tear  And what are you doing now I hope in St. Petersburg they didn’t take out the old women’s apartments in order to accumulate the initial capital?
                Or has the business already been laundered? Sorry, but I was right ..?
                Conscience is clearly tormented by "you are our worker from the 90s" This is your destiny and there is no need to drive tearful stories here .. Such as you at the end of the 90s, just shot and did the right thing ..
                People like you did not understand anything in the system! Live while ..
                Apparently I'm talking to the wall. You are farther than the nose and will not see anything. Intelligent, you, our laughing Clean up and do not litter the "ether" with empty chatter about what you do not know, do not know how and what you don’t even guess about.
                Ps yes, and the Lord God gives permission for life, and the Lord God gives you permission, and you stand on the sidelines.
                1. xorek
                  xorek April 5 2021 15: 53
                  -4
                  Quote: stalki
                  Apparently I'm talking to the wall. You are farther than the nose and will not see anything. Clever, you, our Rub down and do not litter the "ether" with empty chatter about what you do not know, do not know how and what you don’t even guess about.

                  Well, thank God, you finally understood Sergey .. wink
                  Quote: stalki
                  Ps yes, and the Lord God gives permission for life, and the Lord God gives you permission, and you stand on the sidelines.

                  I'll stand, of course, parents are sacred .. hi
                  PS You, with your St. Petersburg revelations, annoy a lot of people here. Excuse me, Except Moscow and Leningrad, there is also a province of Russia, and if we start crying to you, then your St. Petersburg and Moscow will simply flood with tears. we're looking at you .. angry
                  1. stalki
                    stalki April 5 2021 16: 06
                    +1
                    Yes, I myself come from the provinces, if you still do not understand, and I will be early in the 90s (look at the pictures less, otherwise they can only take collages seriously - Okay, I won't go over insults) and only five-year-olds react to irritations. wassat
        2. nerd.su
          nerd.su April 5 2021 18: 32
          +1
          Quote: stalki
          Of course, it would be better, how many unemployed men are interrupted by small earnings ... I think many would go if

          A real man is never unemployed, except for cataclysms. And then, the case will find itself.

          Your logic is strange. You are citing a quote, the meaning of which is that men who do not have a permanent well-paid job (as the author of the quote defines the concept of "unemployed") are interrupted by odd jobs (that is, by your definition, they are not unemployed, since they find a job for themselves) would go cost the railroad as it is a more or less permanent well-paid job. That is, your unemployed person is a parasite, he will not go anywhere anyway. And a person who is interrupted by odd jobs, that is, unemployed, should also not go anywhere, and sit without work? There the fence should be repaired, the walls should be painted there without social guarantees (vacation pay, pension, etc.)?
          1. stalki
            stalki April 5 2021 20: 06
            0
            That is, your unemployed person is a parasite, he will not go anywhere anyway. And a person who is interrupted by odd jobs, that is, unemployed, should not go anywhere either, and sit without work? There the fence should be repaired, the walls should be painted there without social guarantees (vacation pay, pension, etc.)?
            Well, if odd jobs are jobs? Cool. In general, you apparently did not analyze the dialogue from start to finish. It all started with the fact that the opponent proposed to send the "men" to build the BAM. I subtly hinted at the fact that I do not consider "such" as he proposed for men. And it is even more logical to understand that it is better for them to build nothing. Do you know how many random workers I have seen in my life? Before and more. And none of them, in my understanding, do not look like men, to your regret I have high standards for this concept. Most of such personnel are not needed for nothing. Some drink and try to work, some drink and do not even try to work, and some interrupt altogether in order not to die. There is probably no need to remind about their social status.
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su April 5 2021 20: 37
              -2
              Quote: stalki
              Well, if odd jobs are jobs? Cool

              What should I do. The gender of Russia lives this way, if the concept of "casual work" is interpreted broadly.
              Mercenaries of all stripes, proudly referred to as freelancers or simply shabashniks, are now in darkness in all industries. And this is an odd job, and in the provinces it is often small. And you have to work in a way that most of those constantly employed did not work when they were born. Not everyone has their own business. For this, a special character is needed, one of the features of which is contempt for hard workers, well, they can not be considered men, and they do not have to be people. Accordingly, you can always find fault with what thread with a clear conscience, underpay or even throw it away. They are not men, but here the margin is losing weight. Is that how you reason? laughing
              1. stalki
                stalki April 5 2021 22: 00
                +2
                What should I do. The gender of Russia lives this way, if the concept of "casual work" is interpreted broadly.
                Mercenaries of all stripes, proudly referred to as freelancers or simply shabashniks, are now in darkness in all industries. And this is an odd job, and in the provinces it is often small. And you have to work in a way that most of those constantly employed did not work when they were born. Not everyone has their own business. For this, a special character is needed, one of the features of which is contempt for hard workers, well, they can not be considered men, and they do not have to be people. Accordingly, you can always find fault with what thread with a clear conscience, underpay or even throw it away. They are not men, but here the margin is losing weight. Is that how you reason?
                Thank God this is not half of Russia, here I disagree with you, most of them are really hardworking and intelligent people. And they throw only hucksters without conscience and honor. In fairness, of course, there are also enough of them. But I saw a lot of people who, even for a lack of completion, did not throw, or for damage to production property, they gave the opportunity to correct the situation. Frankly speaking, I trust the army more on the higher issue. They'll do better now.
                1. nerd.su
                  nerd.su April 6 2021 06: 59
                  -1
                  Quote: stalki
                  Frankly speaking, I trust the army more on the higher issue. They'll do better now.

                  Here I agree with you.
    5. 210ox
      210ox April 5 2021 08: 08
      0
      Fair enough. Only those who are raked in batches into the offices after the rallies of the liberals should go. Let Navalny's ideas (although she's not there) be implemented in the taiga.
      1. xorek
        xorek April 5 2021 09: 18
        -1
        Quote: 210ox
        Fair enough. Only those who are raked in batches into the offices after the rallies of the liberals should go. Let Navalny's ideas (although she's not there) be implemented in the taiga.

        I agree, but the bulk of the zone has resumed himself untouchable and the administration is afraid to touch him .. And I would put an enema in him. Padlyuke, but maybe it’s not time.
        1. 210ox
          210ox April 5 2021 09: 27
          +6
          He already has three warning notes. No parole to be seen.
          1. xorek
            xorek April 5 2021 11: 07
            0
            Quote: 210ox
            He already has three warning notes. No parole to be seen.

            Hopefully they will add some more to this rooster who has gone bad. wink
            1. VORON538
              VORON538 April 5 2021 14: 52
              +1
              And you don't need to touch him. Let Alyoshka live, as they say, "according to the charter." That he himself feels in full measure. hi
            2. sheih78
              sheih78 April 6 2021 11: 07
              -1
              Did you step on a corn, or what?))) That's why you fool yourself so
      2. Cowbra
        Cowbra April 5 2021 09: 25
        -1
        About that and speech. Again - whoever's leg hurts there - it is necessary to go there. Oh, something, but there are enough crutches
    6. Free wind
      Free wind April 5 2021 08: 56
      +3
      Minus is mine. Who coped there? Zheldorbat, construction battalion, zk .. Civilians: drivers and machinists of equipment, often expensive. For unskilled labor, few are willing. Well, the Komsomol members, or rather the former. I would send many there with a pick and a shovel. to name the first? Or guess yourself?
    7. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver April 5 2021 08: 58
      +16
      Only one salary of the head of Russian Railways alone could hire half a thousand (!!!) hard workers. But no, let's collect "Komsomol members" from all over the country, who will work for the idea, and let the money continue to be received by the one who loves them the most.
      And then RZD will be quietly taken from the state property and snatched away. As often happens with us.
      Brilliant.
      1. Sawfly
        Sawfly April 5 2021 10: 16
        +2
        So it has already been torn apart, TransContainer has been sold, and all the tidbits will be taken away little by little, and the troops are being built.
    8. Roman070280
      Roman070280 April 5 2021 09: 17
      +1
      In general, of course, it would be nice to send the Komsomol there - last time we did it,


      And the GULAG did not do a bad job .. If you start with the Lake, the State Duma, the Federation Council, and add to them another half a million bureaucratic thieves, then the country would have been rebuilt long ago !!
    9. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets April 5 2021 09: 43
      +2
      Quote: Cowbra
      In general, of course, it would be nice to send the Komsomol there - they did it last time, but they all have a leg hurting now, they have children

      Aha, send the youth army there, along with the "buckets". They will plunder the constructed branch too. Is it a socialist state today, so that the people would build public property?
    10. scientist
      scientist April 5 2021 10: 09
      +3
      Quote: Cowbra
      it would be nice to send the Komsomol there

      now it is piled up and the rest of the 5th column can easily replace the shock Komsomol brigades. It is even possible with the preservation of salaries from paid rallies lol
      You only need a legal basis for the thought. There would be a desire.
    11. Captain Pushkin
      Captain Pushkin April 5 2021 10: 35
      +4
      Quote: Cowbra
      In general, of course, it would be nice to send the Komsomol there - they did it last time, but they all have a leg hurting now, they have children

      I understood the idea - half of the current "oligarchs" are former Komsomol activists. Didn't have time to work at BAM in Soviet times, let them catch up under capitalism. Cut 100 kilometers to each of them and let them pull the second thread. They want - personally, they want - they will hire someone, we now have a democracy, but they don't want - what they grabbed for free, return to the state.
    12. The Little Humpbacked Horse
      The Little Humpbacked Horse April 5 2021 11: 47
      +2
      Quote: Cowbra
      In general, of course, it would be nice to send the Komsomol there - they did it last time, but they all have a leg hurting now, they have children


      And why aren't you going to build, just don't write that you are wounded on the Kolchak fronts and you cannot build
    13. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan April 5 2021 14: 31
      0
      In general, of course, it would be nice to send the Komsomol there - they did it last time, but they all have a leg hurting now, they have children


      Are you going to take part in construction yourself? ))

      And then I see that you are so worried about the construction site, worry that without you they will not be able to decide how and to whom to build the BAM)).
    14. Dart2027
      Dart2027 April 5 2021 19: 45
      +1
      Quote: Cowbra
      It would be nice to send the Komsomol there - last time they coped

      Last time there were the same railroad vehicles. He served in them for a term in the 90s and in the unit there was a selection of books on this topic.
  2. Earthwalker
    Earthwalker April 5 2021 07: 35
    +9
    Effective managers only know how to add money well to the accounts) But what is serious, so the army
  3. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 5 2021 07: 45
    +23
    We have a special market, first they build at government expense, and then "owners" appear. Russian Railways, if I'm not mistaken, has 49% of the shares in private hands, but no one is in a hurry to invest in construction, if the army is involved, it means that the state pays for it, especially since the hands of soldiers can say almost nothing for food and lodging.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding April 5 2021 08: 14
      +2
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      Russian Railways, if I'm not mistaken, has 49% of the shares in private hands, but no one is in a hurry to invest in construction

      the hands of the army create the property of Russian Railways
      but I think that Russian Railways has mutual settlements with MO
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon April 5 2021 10: 16
        +3
        Quote: Flood
        the hands of the army create the property of Russian Railways
        but I think that Russian Railways has mutual settlements with MO

        Both the Ministry of Defense and the Russian Railways are the STATE. It will deal with itself.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding April 5 2021 10: 34
          +3
          Quote: Piramidon
          Both the Ministry of Defense and Russian Railways are the STATE. It will deal with itself

          no objection
          if not private holders of Russian Railways shares receiving benefits in this case
    2. Rubi0
      Rubi0 April 5 2021 09: 16
      0
      Buy a share for 1000 rubles and you will be included in those 49% of capital lists of which you yourself swear. But I think your rhetoric will change instantly)))
      1. Dmitry Potapov
        Dmitry Potapov April 5 2021 09: 34
        +6
        And I do not curse anyone! I’m 1000 better than cement, I’ll buy an extra sack of a house, and it’s necessary to build a house, and my rhetoric will change when the shareholders will not only cut coupons but also invest in production. Otherwise, how Berezovsky gets "Money offshore, profit for us, losses for the state."
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon April 5 2021 10: 18
          0
          Quote: Dmitry Potapov
          my rhetoric will change when shareholders will not only cut coupons but also invest in production

          The shareholder has already invested by purchasing shares.
          1. Dmitry Potapov
            Dmitry Potapov April 5 2021 11: 19
            +1
            How did he (the shareholder) invest in a project that costs not Russian Railways but the army! ???
            1. Piramidon
              Piramidon April 5 2021 11: 25
              +4
              Quote: Dmitry Potapov
              How did he (the shareholder) invest in a project that costs not Russian Railways but the army! ???

              The shareholder has already given out money to Russian Railways by purchasing shares. Is this not an investment? How else can he invest? But Russian Railways (the state) must decide how to use this money and whom to involve in construction.
      2. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin April 5 2021 10: 42
        +2
        Quote: Rubi0
        Buy a share for 1000 rubles and you will be included in those 49% of capital lists of which you yourself swear. But I think your rhetoric will change instantly)))

        I have "a little" more than 1000 shares, but this did not affect my worldview.
        1. Rubi0
          Rubi0 April 5 2021 15: 01
          +1
          Do you share the views to nationalize, but in fact take away your hard-earned money and divide between such comrades here? Hard to believe
      3. 210ox
        210ox April 5 2021 10: 49
        0
        And what will a person with one share have?
    3. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter April 5 2021 10: 06
      +2
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      ... Russian Railways, if I'm not mistaken, has 49% of the shares in private hands, but no one is in a hurry to invest in construction, if the army is involved, then the state pays for it,

      I think that if you dig, it turns out that the shareholders are offshore companies, the owners of which are known to all fellow citizens.
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon April 5 2021 10: 38
        +2
        Quote: Stroporez
        Quote: Dmitry Potapov
        ... Russian Railways, if I'm not mistaken, has 49% of the shares in private hands, but no one is in a hurry to invest in construction, if the army is involved, then the state pays for it,

        I think that if you dig, it turns out that the shareholders are offshore companies, the owners of which are known to all fellow citizens.

        Once upon a time, even for vouchers, I purchased several shares of the pipe plant, that is, I became a shareholder. Lucky. The plant survived and works, pays me small dividends every year. I am not an offshore company, but a Russian pensioner. And what else should I invest in this plant? request
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter April 5 2021 12: 40
          +1
          Quote: Piramidon
          I am not an offshore company, but a Russian pensioner. And what else should I invest in this plant?

          You are just great! good Only the conversation is not about you and your penny dividends. The country is being pulled apart piece by piece, which is a shame.
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  5. paul3390
    paul3390 April 5 2021 08: 15
    +16
    The market will arrange everything when the BAM army builds and it's time to divide the profits .. That's when - effective owners with managers will show themselves.
  6. antivirus
    antivirus April 5 2021 08: 17
    .
    after the construction of the Trans-Siberian Railway, the Far East was empty for 50 years. settled in the 50-70s. only. and it will be the same with BAM - we will master the territory by 2050-60.
    1. 210ox
      210ox April 5 2021 09: 12
      +1
      After the construction of the Transib, settlers went there to the East. And not only. You should be aware of Stolypin's reforms. This is how it began. And it lasted almost the entire century, until the 80s.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus April 5 2021 09: 19
        0
        they walked, of course, they walked to an empty place. and mastered only by the 50-70s .. the effect of a low base. Far East and around Baikal are not comparable with the settlement of Australia.
  7. BARKAS
    BARKAS April 5 2021 08: 31
    +7
    A neighbor at Russian Railways works regularly is on a business trip building and repairing tracks with additional tasks may not be able to cope, so the military was involved, besides, they also need practice.
    1. Sawfly
      Sawfly April 5 2021 10: 26
      +4
      Russian Railways does not build or develop its infrastructure in "bearish corners", it destroys what was done in the USSR, but roads for the export of the country's resources are welcome.
      1. Captain Pushkin
        Captain Pushkin April 5 2021 10: 49
        +3
        Quote: Sawyer
        Russian Railways does not build or develop its infrastructure in "bearish corners", it destroys what was done in the USSR, but roads for the export of the country's resources are welcome.

        Nothing new. Under the tsar-father, after the construction of a network of railways, grain began to be exported to Europe along them. The Americans were engaged in the export, bought up grain at a cheap price and took it out where it was more expensive. For example, to Holland, where the per capita grain harvest was 3 times higher than in Russia. And in Russia before the revolution, on average, there was a massive famine every second year.
    2. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke April 5 2021 14: 54
      0
      Quote: BARKAS
      connected the military, besides they also need practice.

      I agree. More useful than pounding pears with a tool. hi
  8. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk April 5 2021 08: 36
    +1
    Quote: Boris55
    What would we do without an army ... A flood is an army, a virus is an army, a railway is an army again, but where are the effective owners, where is the market that sets everything up by itself?

    Using the army in these situations is the cheapest option for the state budget. The need for a second branch is long overdue. It is a very necessary and crucial matter. Together with the massive construction of bridges that I am observing, this should give a powerful impetus to the development of the Far East.
  9. sleeve
    sleeve April 5 2021 08: 48
    +4
    Where it is, somewhere they sit, they are effective. Shops are being built.
  10. Mitroha
    Mitroha April 5 2021 08: 57
    +2
    quote = Boris55] What would we do without an army ... A flood is an army, a virus is an army, a railway is an army again, and where are the effective owners, where is the market that sets everything up by itself? [/ quote]
    The most organized structure, like the Ministry of Emergency Situations
  11. RosUkrBel
    RosUkrBel April 5 2021 08: 59
    0
    No need to be ironic ,,, So this is how it should be.
  12. Wedmak
    Wedmak April 5 2021 09: 18
    +6
    where are the effective owners

    They are effectively eaten by greed. If the income is less than 100%, most of them don't even get down to business. And by the cuts ... the example of the East is known to everyone.
  13. Serg65
    Serg65 April 5 2021 09: 19
    +5
    Quote: Boris55
    Flood - army, virus - army, railway - army again

    This is a 100-year-old tradition! Although they deviated from the tradition a little, the convicts for some reason were not involved in the construction! It would be cool to contemplate Navalny at the construction of BAM bully
    Quote: Boris55
    where are the effective owners, where is the market, which arranges everything by itself?

    what Are our railways private ???
  14. Operator
    Operator April 5 2021 09: 32
    0
    Petrov and Boshirov - prepare for a business trip to the Suez Canal laughing
  15. halpat
    halpat April 5 2021 09: 47
    +3
    Quote: Boris55
    What would we do without an army ... A flood is an army, a virus is an army, a railway is an army again, but where are the effective owners, where is the market that sets everything up by itself?

    efficient owners raise the prices for food, fuel and snatch money offshore under the noise of floods, epidemics and other things, while simultaneously begging for tax breaks, preferential loans and just subsidies. smile
    Give money under your own guarantees - this is the leitmotif of appeals to the state of the "pillars of the industry" such as Deripaska, who gave almost everything, earned by back-breaking labor, to the Americans not so long ago.
  16. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z April 5 2021 10: 01
    +2
    Quote: Boris55
    The flood is the army, the virus is the army, the railway is the army again, but where are the effective owners, where is the market that sets everything up by itself?

    At the offices of Russian Railways! How to cut profit, so the managers of Russian Railways, and how to develop the transport network, so someone for budget money! Or are they sitting in the offices of Russian Railways for budgetary salaries ?!
    And here is a "hello" from an employee of Russian Railways:
  17. Terenin
    Terenin April 5 2021 11: 46
    +5
    Quote: Boris55
    What would we do without an army ... A flood is an army, a virus is an army, a railway is an army again, but where are the effective owners, where is the market that sets everything up by itself?

    And "effective owners" will earn if they are given to ... the army yes
  18. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 April 5 2021 12: 05
    0
    Quote: Boris55
    What would we do without an army ... A flood is an army, a virus is an army, a railway is an army again, but where are the effective owners, where is the market that sets everything up by itself?

    Probably - they would pay for the work as expected. And then there would be nothing to steal from Russian Railways! But this will never happen. Never! Russian Railways, like the rest of Russia's economy, is for thieves. For the lads, yeah. Therefore, instead of Russians, our facilities are being built by guest workers recruited anywhere except Russia. Some of them fly out after work without payment. The part just disappears. No one will look for them here, the police are conveniently blind about them. The rest receive about a tenth of what the Russians would have to pay. The other nine-tenths ...
    The news that the thieves will be served by the army is quite shameful in general. Well, what can you do? You can't put guest workers on the railway, the risk is too great. And to pay decent wages ... not in "our" country. Lord, shame ...
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  20. RealPilot
    RealPilot April 5 2021 14: 57
    +1
    It's great that they attract the military! These are purchases, modernization of equipment, and training of personnel, and military control of the readiness of the result. Wonderful.
    The construction of more than 20 kovidny hospitals in 2 months showed the true professionalism and efficiency of military builders.
  • Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov April 5 2021 07: 32
    +8
    ***
    Throughout the Soviet country
    From the Pamirs to Tiksi,
    From the Carpathians to Kamchatka,
    Through the Siberian snows
    For human hearts
    With the speed of thought
    The alarm went off
    -BAM! ...
    ---
    © V.V. Vorontsov 1975
    ***
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir April 5 2021 08: 28
      +1
      The alarm went off
      -BAM! ...


  • Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 April 5 2021 07: 32
    +20
    It turns out that the Baikal Amur Mainline is needed for Russia and is in demand, and there were so many opinions, especially in the nineties, about the stupidity of those specialists thanks to whom they began to build the BAM. How many would-be experts made fun of this project. Apparently such people then rushed to talk about the impossibility of building the Crimean bridge, etc.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather April 5 2021 08: 03
      +6
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      It turns out that the Baikal Amur Mainline is needed for Russia and is in demand

      I hope BZHDK will ride there ... hope is weak .. but there is.
      1. antivirus
        antivirus April 5 2021 08: 19
        -1
        about interchangeability - if only the wheeled ones at the halts were empty - they overloaded them with a crane and went to Magadan in the hills - from there to the ship. in Vladik again on BZHDK. rupture of the amers satellite optics from such a jump from platform to platform.
        1. 210ox
          210ox April 5 2021 09: 18
          +2
          How do you propose to overtake the unpaved complex on your own along the "Kolyma" highway ?! Yes, they will suck out all the diesel fuel in the Far East and burn the motor resource. laughing
      2. BARKAS
        BARKAS April 5 2021 09: 00
        +4
        I hope BZHDK will ride there ... hope is weak .. but there is.

        I hope the BZHDK will ride along the transpolar highway, but there is little hope.
      3. prapor55
        prapor55 April 5 2021 12: 55
        +1
        BZHRK were removed from the database in 2002 and destroyed in 2005. The points of permanent deployment are currently destroyed and cannot be restored, even the lieutenants of the 2000 release are pensioners - all the project built by the efforts of the people of the Great Country is completed. soldier
    2. prior
      prior April 5 2021 08: 50
      +5
      Russia does not need BAM as much as China needs it.
      Ever Green has clearly shown what a "plug" in the Suez Canal is.
      To increase the throughput of the Russian section of the "Silk Road", that's all the ins and outs of the construction of the second branch.
      And no Russian projects provide for the growth of the well-being of the Russian people, they only benefit the members of the well-known cooperative.
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather April 5 2021 09: 20
        -1
        such a thought ... maybe that's why the military will build, so that the quality is there, and heavy trains will hold. (rocket train) "Citizens" can give out the wrong quality.
      2. ism_ek
        ism_ek April 5 2021 13: 08
        +2
        Quote: prior
        Russia does not need BAM as much as China needs it.

        Look at the map. Where is BAM and where is China? BAM is a competitor to Chinese railways.
  • tarabar
    tarabar April 5 2021 07: 37
    +14
    Honor and respect for our Railway Troops, they will manage, but in my gut I feel that the situation is somehow wrong. Why on purely civilian objects, when it is necessary to do quickly, it is necessary to involve the army, to build a hospital - military builders, a pipeline in the Crimea - military pipelines, BAM - here are military railway workers. Where are our civil builders? Shopping malls sculpt, and for less than 100% of the profit they don't want to take their butt off the spot? Let the army attract the streets of revenge and maintain cleanliness in the entrances, then order will surely be established.
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra April 5 2021 08: 05
      +5
      Strategic objects should be built by the state. It's scary to think what would have happened if the same Crimean Bridge was built by a private office from Switzerland, isn't it? Or Uncle Vasya from Spetsukravstroy. They will save money there. And so everywhere - look at how private traders in the USA build the Vogtl NPP, just don't laugh when you read how the Senate Commission set fire to over two hundred drunken and smoky employees at the construction site, how they dropped the reactor there or loved the general layout of the facility and imposed bulldozer reinforcement - so the nuclear power plant has not been built to this day, although it should have been working for 10 years already
      1. antivirus
        antivirus April 5 2021 08: 21
        +4
        firm "Spetsukravstroy"
        -would you like to say --Specukralstroy?
      2. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan April 5 2021 09: 02
        -1
        what would have happened, build the same Crimean Bridge, a private office from Switzerland, right?

        What would be? And there would be savings if a normal tender were made. I'm sure a bridge could be built for less money. The French built the Trinity Bridge across the Neva in St. Petersburg and has stood for over 100 years.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky April 5 2021 08: 40
      +5
      Quote: tarabar
      Honor and respect for our Railway Troops, they will manage, but in my gut I feel that the situation is somehow wrong. Why on purely civilian objects, when it is necessary to do quickly, it is necessary to involve the army, to build a hospital - military builders, a pipeline in the Crimea - military pipelines, BAM - here are military railway workers. Where are our civil builders?

      Civilians, this is a watch now - while people are being recruited, while they are delivered, while contractors are attracted, etc. etc. The red tape is still the same, but the case apparently does not require delay.
      I do not see anything wrong with the fact that this section of work is done by the forces of the army, even on the assumption that this is a practice according to the profile. What do they want? - fill up the embankment on the parade ground or at the training ground and lay the rail cage with arrows. Rrrryadovoy Sidorov! YAYAYA! Start filling the embankment! There is! Colonel triisch, Private Sidorov dumped the mound! Well done fighter Sidorov, start cleaning the embankment! There is a tris colonel! Trisch Colonel, Private Sidorov has removed the embankment! Well done private Sidorov! Krrrrugom! The location is runnin '! Maaarsh!
      It's okay. The troops at one time showed their effectiveness in the construction of a railway section bypassing Ukraine and now they will receive practical skills, keep within the time and, which is important, in the allocated estimate.
    3. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich April 5 2021 12: 10
      +1
      Civil builders are taxed.
    4. Xscorpion
      Xscorpion April 6 2021 07: 05
      0
      BAM was originally built by the military, most of it. This is a common thing. Especially when you consider how much freight and passenger traffic the Moscow Region occupies in the total cargo and passenger traffic. And they have been building this branch for several years, just every season it is announced as as if they had just begun.
  • xorek
    xorek April 5 2021 07: 39
    +3
    Our military does not eat bread for nothing .. Well done! How many mobile hospitals have been deployed during the pandemic, and now BAM is modernizing a very important transport artery for themselves and for the country .. hi
  • cobalt
    cobalt April 5 2021 07: 39
    +14
    And the Russian Railways itself is the operator of BAM, why is it not building a branch, that is, they fit into the program, they will "master" the money, and the army team will build it, they have settled well.
    1. Pashhenko Nikolay
      Pashhenko Nikolay April 5 2021 07: 54
      +11
      Russian Railways has been optimized. And now there are not enough builders.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan April 5 2021 09: 04
        0
        This Russian Railways was completely unangled. I looked at the cost of tickets, so I found that it was cheaper by plane than in a compartment car.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter April 5 2021 09: 36
          +1
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          This Russian Railways was completely unangled. I looked at the cost of tickets, so I found that it was cheaper by plane than in a compartment car.

          And what will the chiefspeople use to build palaces with fur storages?
  • Dimide
    Dimide April 5 2021 07: 40
    +12
    During the Soviet Union, the enthusiasm of the BAM builders was supported by a 'long ruble'
    1. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis April 5 2021 08: 03
      +16
      Quote: Dimid
      During the Soviet Union, the enthusiasm of the BAM builders was supported by a 'long ruble'

      Neighbor is a medic. My wife and I were at BAM ... Upon completion of the work, we bought ourselves a house in Sevastopol, a car .. They paid very well!
      1. Dimide
        Dimide April 5 2021 08: 15
        +13
        He worked after school, in front of the army, at the construction site of a railway village, as an apprentice of an electrician, salary 240 rubles 'clean'. The parents brought a 'target check' for the car + 'long ruble'
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir April 5 2021 08: 21
      +11
      backed by a 'long ruble'
      So this is an ineffective Union. And this money does not have ...
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis April 5 2021 08: 41
        -6
        Quote: Gardamir
        backed by a 'long ruble'
        So this is an ineffective Union. And this money does not have ...

        I will surprise you .. There is money (salaries) from the one who works. Both in the USSR and now. Lamers and inept at all times ached ...
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir April 5 2021 09: 04
          +7
          I will surprise you
          I'm not the only one surprised why troops are being built now. If you are not public money for construction, but about personal money. then. After school in vocational school, he received a scholarship of 96 rubles. After the army at the factory 180-200. Then study and on the seas, with a salary of 110 rubles came out under 300, because the seas are northern. Then there was always work, and then survival came.
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis April 5 2021 09: 11
            0
            There is a parable about frogs caught in a jar of milk. One folded her legs and drowned. Another was moving and knocked down a lump of oil ... What is this for me ... I do not teach. No. Not easy at all times. You can survive by relying on your family, real friends, your hard work and mind ... and then you will make more than one mistake ...
            1. Gardamir
              Gardamir April 5 2021 10: 39
              +5
              At all times not easy
              Add age to that. In the 90s I was thirty, easily overcame .. And now it's not only about age.
              But living is better than surviving.
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis April 5 2021 12: 09
                -2
                Of course, age is important. My children get paid decently (by my standards!) But they also work from dawn to dusk. In principle, we also worked in our youth .. So we will try to live drinks
        2. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan April 5 2021 09: 09
          -1
          There is no need to whistle, now teachers and doctors are plowing half the rate, since it is very difficult to live on the rate. Here I am, too, forced to plow over the norm, and what to say. By the end of the working day, there is zero sense from my work, I run out of strength and stupidly sit out the time.
          1. Serg65
            Serg65 April 5 2021 09: 43
            +6
            Quote: Fan-Fan
            now teachers and doctors are plowing at half a rate

            what And when was it different?
            1. Fan-fan
              Fan-fan April 5 2021 09: 50
              -4
              Not when, but where. For example, in Germany it is different. A friend works in a store. They transferred her to a shorter working day: she sits at the checkout for 3,5 hours, but she receives less, but she says enough for everything.
              1. Serg65
                Serg65 April 5 2021 09: 51
                +7
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                For example, in Germany it is different.

                Do you live in Germany?
                Quote: Fan-Fan
                He sits at the checkout for 3,5 hours, but receives less, but says enough for everything.

                And my aunt is crying that she can barely make ends meet ...
                1. Fan-fan
                  Fan-fan April 5 2021 10: 05
                  -3
                  Do you live in Germany?

                  Unfortunately no. But I want to live here the same way people live in Germany.
                  barely makes ends meet ...

                  Only these ends are different for us, in Russia the ends are made from pasta, and in Germany from meat.
                  1. Piramidon
                    Piramidon April 5 2021 10: 50
                    +2
                    Quote: Fan-Fan
                    But I want to live here the same way people live in Germany.

                    Lure Merkel to Russia with the Bundestag laughing
        3. andrew42
          andrew42 April 5 2021 14: 18
          0
          Well, it will start about cars in the yards ...
  • AlexVas44
    AlexVas44 April 5 2021 07: 41
    +3
    Quote: Cowbra
    In general, of course, it would be nice to send the Komsomol there

    Eliminated as a class. The era of Komsomol construction projects has gone down in history. Besides the army, who will you send to work in such conditions?
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan April 5 2021 09: 11
      -6
      How whom? Convicts still save up a little and you can send them. They will tear the claws for soldering.
  • rusich
    rusich April 5 2021 07: 45
    +9
    The army will build, and there and then there will be privatizers, proprietors. Zadolbali grabbers
    1. AlexVas44
      AlexVas44 April 5 2021 09: 01
      +7
      Quote: rusich
      The army will build, and there and then there will be privatizers, proprietors. Zadolbali grabbers

      Of course there will be, as well as those who no longer like your comment and they diligently minus.
      1. rusich
        rusich April 5 2021 11: 51
        +1
        Fosterlings EP laughing
  • Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis April 5 2021 08: 01
    +5
    I remember at the beginning of perestroika the superintendents (by the way, all without exception are communists !!) of perestroika, proclaimed that BAM was unprofitable and not needed .. That it was a pointless, huge waste of money ... What would be better distributed to pensioners ... the same heralds ... "foremen" wassat
  • Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 April 5 2021 08: 11
    +9
    The modernization of BAM and Transsib is included in the long-term development program of Russian Railways until 2025.

    So let Russian Railways announce a tender for construction and conclude a construction contract with the winner. And then the railway troops. Want a free slave of power? Well done
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 5 2021 08: 32
      0
      ..and pass the money for BAM through the Moscow Region, without a tender. The Crimean bridge was built and nothing. Civilians. Technicians are now in full swing after the Olympics and the Bridge.
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis April 5 2021 08: 45
      +5
      Quote: Sergey 777
      The modernization of BAM and Transsib is included in the long-term development program of Russian Railways until 2025.

      So let Russian Railways announce a tender for construction and conclude a construction contract with the winner. And then the railway troops. Want a free slave of power? Well done

      Maybe because the Army has shown itself in the execution of state orders from the best side! We have built the Belbek water intake. https://youtu.be/-FfP9KM-m78 Army !!! Discipline and quality !!
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan April 5 2021 09: 21
        -4
        DO NOT be so happy. For example, the warriors in 2015 also built a piece of iron bypassing Ukraine, spent 137 years on 2 km, and on an open field. How long will it take to build 2000 km? And if you consider that bridges and tunnels are needed, then there is no end to be seen at all.
        Although there is very good news: a piece of iron has been stretched to Yakutsk.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 April 5 2021 14: 00
          +1
          "And how many years they will build 2000 km" - In 10 years they will cope with everything depends on how many people and equipment will be involved in the construction.
    3. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 5 2021 10: 54
      +1
      Quote: Sergey 777
      The modernization of BAM and Transsib is included in the long-term development program of Russian Railways until 2025.

      So let Russian Railways announce a tender for construction and conclude a construction contract with the winner. And then the railway troops. Want a free slave of power? Well done

      Both the Railway and the Army are state structures. Why hire someone? If you yourself can hang a chandelier in the house, you will not run and look for electricians.
    4. andrew42
      andrew42 April 5 2021 14: 23
      -2
      Apparently our prime minister with the guarantor read something about the era of Nicholas I for a dream. - Military settlements! Here's the topic! In general, Kuzhugetovich, you take soldiers, you blow to build BAM.
  • GRIGORIY76
    GRIGORIY76 April 5 2021 08: 16
    +4
    Quote: Boris55
    where are the effective owners, where is the market, which arranges everything by itself?


    Where do the owners come from if, according to the FAS, the share of the state in the economy is about 70%?
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir April 5 2021 08: 18
    +4
    How interesting! In order to destroy the Union, we were told all sorts of nasty things, like BAM is not needed by anyone, these are the whims of the elderly general secretaries. There are no general secretaries, but BAM is needed.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek April 5 2021 08: 31
      +5
      Previously, there was no such transit of goods back and forth. All the pots and socks were made in their own country. And now - here and there ..... But more and more from East to West.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 5 2021 08: 22
    +1
    what we need to build ourselves, this is understandable .... but why are the military structures busy with this ??? Where is the dog rummaging around here? I would like to understand, this is bzh f, what does it mean?
  • Borz
    Borz April 5 2021 08: 22
    +9
    I served in the eastern section of the BAM, 1987-88, as part of a separate railway-bridge battalion. Of course, this was after the completion of the main construction. A legendary construction site, I can tell you. Scale.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 April 5 2021 08: 25
    +5
    Modernization of BAM and Transsib ...

    Finally. It is high time.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 5 2021 08: 29
    +1
    Why railway troops? Can't give civilian contractors and specialists jobs?
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  • Captain45
    Captain45 April 5 2021 08: 36
    +8
    It would be nice, like the good old days, to send z / c brigades from the Navalny-Gozmanov-Shenderovichi, etc. to support the railway brigades. types under the motto "Honest work - the road to home" and let them wave a pickaxe for the glory of Russia and its railways laughing
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  • Aleksandr97
    Aleksandr97 April 5 2021 08: 40
    +7
    The Suetsk traffic jam responded with the urgent construction of the 2nd branch of the BAM. Only the troops will be able to quickly, without tenders and bureaucratic procedures, again, Russian Railways has put a black mark on the corruption issue.
  • APASUS
    APASUS April 5 2021 08: 41
    +2
    They have been arguing about the NSR for how many years. We increased the throughput of BAM to such a size that it was cheaper to deliver by railway transport. And for employment of the population, taxes, development
  • Alex66
    Alex66 April 5 2021 08: 44
    +5
    What about the market? Why doesn't it regulate it doesn't build, because all the destruction of the USSR's legacy was based on the axiom that the market will do and regulate everything itself, the government will not have to strain its brains. And here again the army is building BAM. It remains to revive the State Planning Committee and not engage in market nonsense, in which it is only convenient to rob and take the loot over the hill.
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan April 5 2021 09: 25
      +1
      It's simple: when you need to rob, then we give you a little capitalism, and when you need to build something for nothing, we give you a little communism. Russian specificity.
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 April 5 2021 09: 02
    +5
    And what are the reasons for using the Army in
    construction of a commercial facility?
  • ksv36
    ksv36 April 5 2021 09: 12
    -1
    And what, in one branch they do not have time to export our goods?
  • d4rkmesa
    d4rkmesa April 5 2021 09: 13
    +4
    With all due respect to the Railways, this is a temporary option. Until they study the soil, make a normal project, lay welded rails along the entire length.
  • U-58
    U-58 April 5 2021 09: 13
    +2
    So is it the second branch or the second path of the existing branch?
  • Basarev
    Basarev April 5 2021 09: 19
    0
    Of course, the toad crushes the civilian builders normally ... And the slaves from the Zheldorvojs are free.
  • zwlad
    zwlad April 5 2021 09: 29
    +3
    This is all good, of course, construction and all that. But, the state will build, and the operating margin will be received by JSC "Russian Railways", as it were, a private organization, although the founder is the government of the Russian Federation.
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon April 5 2021 11: 01
      +1
      Quote: zwlad
      JSC "Russian Railways", as it were, a private organization

      And more specifically, "how" is how?
      1. zwlad
        zwlad April 5 2021 15: 01
        0
        An open joint stock company is like that.
        And the state is something like - FSUE.
  • AshPoseidon
    AshPoseidon April 5 2021 09: 37
    +2
    Probably the right people “clucked” and decided to involve the railway troops in the construction, so that it would not work out like with the Vostochny cosmodrome.
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA April 5 2021 09: 47
    +3
    The second branch will survive due to the increased load on the BAM, primarily with the increased transit of Chinese goods to Europe in the last decade through our territory, the military is attracted because of the opportunity to do this in a shorter time frame, but the tunnels and bridges will be done by civilian contractors. too narrow specialization, but through the military it will be cheaper to build for the state
  • Alecsandr
    Alecsandr April 5 2021 09: 52
    +6
    I remember a time when "reformers" at all corners shouted why the stupid USSR was building this BAM. But it turns out that it is needed now.
  • andrew42
    andrew42 April 5 2021 10: 59
    0
    Oops! Army men were sent to build BAM. But what about our creative and highly efficient oligarchs and capitalists? Where are the lights of the Russian cap. economy? As the Great Nehochukha said in the movie "But what about the pleasure ?!"
    1. rusich
      rusich April 5 2021 11: 56
      +1
      Highly efficient oligarchs and capitalists will queue up when they build
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 5 2021 14: 02
      +2
      And now they have problems with the labor force for construction projects - there are not enough people anywhere.
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon April 5 2021 10: 59
    +2
    Quote: Zaurbek
    Why railway troops? Can't give civilian contractors and specialists jobs?

    Will cost more. For a soldier, even though he is sitting in the barracks, even though he is building a BAM, the salary does not change.
  • Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov April 5 2021 11: 35
    +1
    In general, the idea of ​​involving the army is very good! It seems like the army is building BAM in its own interests and at the expense of the state. But when will build the owner will be Russian Railways (there is simply no one else). And it seems like Russian Railways, with 51% of the shares owned by the state, did not deceive anyone, and at the same time, 49% of the shares owned by private owners began to bring profit from operation without any investment in the project! Bravo! Ostap Bender gives a standing ovation! (I'll make a reservation right away, those who have 0,5% or more will get rich, the rest do not count.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 April 5 2021 14: 05
      +2
      If you have not forgotten, Russian Railways' cargo transportation costs money from which taxes are paid to the state, which are then distributed, including to the army, the more transported, the more the budget will be filled, the higher the expenses for the army, including.
  • Andobor
    Andobor April 5 2021 11: 44
    +2
    The western section of BAM is already double-tracked and the Kovykta gas condensate field is being developed along it. Gas into the pipe is the Power of Siberia, and the condensate will be transported by piece of iron.
  • Soldatov V.
    Soldatov V. April 5 2021 18: 31
    +1
    In addition to the second track, it is necessary to bring the BAM to Sakhalin and build a bridge across the strait. Although they squeal that they are not needed, it will turn out like with the BAM - you need it and how.
  • Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov April 5 2021 20: 46
    0
    What have the troops to do with it?
    This is the business of the merchants.
    Or rather, a damn monopoly.
    Those who drove around Europe will understand.
  • seacap
    seacap April 6 2021 15: 11
    0
    B / g from the Sarmatians you can build dams and punch tunnels, the landing party can cut down the forest in the direction of movement in the taiga, etc., it seems that the MO "slightly confused" the purpose of what "rules", otherwise its old management is no longer heard and not visible. Already the consequences of floods, natural disasters, houses, bridges, hospitals, dams, etc. And others get the loot, tickets to the railway are already more expensive than an airplane, and an airplane is more expensive than Apollo to the Moon, they have already "taxed", damn it, in the country that in their own country it is already a stranger, everyone owes everything and everyone is obliged. Wherever you spit everywhere "effective managers", and things are getting worse, the whole country was dirtied and taken away, they got into the pockets of hard workers and their children. They even invented an infection so that they would sit at home and not buzz, ask "stupid" questions and not get confused underfoot.