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Does Russia need Donbass?

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Does Russia need Donbass?

Still, before arguing about whether Russia needs Donbass, it is worthwhile to figure out - and whose is it in general?


So - the Republic of Donbass.

Currency - Russian ruble. Of the 3,5 million inhabitants, half a million are citizens of the Russian Federation, on paper. In fact, even more, there is no registration of residents of Donbass who received citizenship on the territory of Russia. The economy is tied to Russia more than completely. Education - even accredited in Russia and issues Russian diplomas, will soon begin to give the same certificates. The army, the police, the Ministry of Emergencies, the Ministry of State Security wear Russian uniforms, only the chevrons are slightly different. In connection with the war, the economy is unprofitable, but nevertheless, pensions and social benefits are paid regularly, receiving money ... from the nightstand.

If you don't interfere


You can argue as much as you like, but the DLNR is already a de facto part of Russia. But, suffering from shelling and low salaries, precisely because of the lack of this very de jure. And if you go after those citizens who advise not to interfere, at least the following will come out:

1. Refugees. Half a million Russians and about the same number of Russians - until non-Russians find themselves in the Russian Federation without money, property and prospects. They will have to help. Not like in 2014 (then still to the citizens of Ukraine), but to help. Housing, work, lifting ... For the current Russian budget, of course, a million people can do it. But it will be hard.

2. Fatalities. At least ten thousand Russians will die as a result of a full-scale offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, every fifth of them will be a Russian. No, of course, you can ignore the deaths of two thousand Russians. But then what will prevent the Ukrainian side from killing Russians in other places, including the territory of the Russian Federation, if we are already tolerating? There, the authorities and political activists do not hate Donbass, they hate Russia ... with all that it implies. It will not work to feed a slice so that they calm down there.

3. Damage to the image of the Russian Federation in the world. With him, with his image, there is already not everything well after 2014, and the surrender of his such a scale will be a kind of signal - Moscow has returned to the times of Yeltsin and Kozyrev ... with all that it implies. There are many unrecognized republics, we hand over one - and we lose everything. Or we are drawn into a series of wars along the borders.

4. Undoubtedly, the surrender of Donbass will mean increased pressure on Crimea. And believe me, it is possible to complicate the life of the peninsula. Now the blockade has been weakened a little, because the effect is zero, but the victory will turn the heads of many. They won't crush you, but the cost of the peninsula for the budget and the standard of living there will sag. Well, the pressure of the Crimeans on the border of Ukraine. Well, the support of the Islamists, and the sending of the DRG ...

5. Cohesion and strengthening of Ukraine. Whatever one may say, victories make any state stronger and cause courage among the people with a desire to continue.

6. Sanctions nobody will remove it. Rather, on the contrary, they will be strengthened in order to pressurize the Crimea.

If you take


In short, good is not enough. But if the entire territory of the DLNR returns to Russia, then in addition to new sanctions, there will be positives.

First of all, these are people: from 4 to 6 million people, educated, hardworking and Russian.

These are industry and infrastructure. Damaged, of course, but not fatally, and capable of generating income.

This is the displacement of Ukraine from the Sea of ​​Azov. Berdyansk alone will not be able to play the role of both the commercial port and the naval base, and its sharp weakening with the change of power.

If as it is


Even just preservation of the Republics of Donbass in their current borders and in their current status and that will preserve the status quo and the chances for the future.

And yes, the answer to the stupid question - why are they not themselves - is very simple: a region with 3,5 million people against a 35 million country has no chances.

Large battalions, alas, decide everything. Especially if you cannot respond in full force, because the enemy is on your territory and hid behind your people.
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  1. Engineer
    Engineer April 6 2021 18: 06
    -38%
    On the air heading "Roman Ivanov explains for everything"
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 April 6 2021 18: 11
      +37
      Quote: Engineer
      On the air heading "Roman Ivanov explains for everything"

      What's wrong? Is this question only for the residents of Donbass?
      I would suggest ending the article like this: "Russia needs Donbass!"
      1. qQQQ
        qQQQ April 6 2021 18: 45
        +15
        Quote: Vladimir61
        Is this question only for the residents of Donbass?

        By and large, now the question is no longer relevant at all, in any case it cannot be given away. We got into this business for the very least I want, and any surrender of positions will lead to even greater pressure and, accordingly, negative for Russia.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 6 2021 19: 00
          -20%
          Quote: qqqq
          in any case, you cannot give it away

          Did you get it? According to international law, this territory of Ukraine is like Karabakh-Azerbaijan
          1. lopvlad
            lopvlad April 6 2021 19: 45
            +26
            Quote: Silvestr
            According to international laws, this territory of Ukraine


            I do not recognize the annexation of 1991, and for me, Donbass and Novorossiya up to Galicia have always been and will be Russian lands.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day April 6 2021 20: 18
              -9
              Quote: lopvlad
              I do not recognize the annexation of 1991 and for me Donbass and New Russia up to Galicia have always been and will be Russian lands

              This is your personal opinion, you can sue the Trio in Bialowieza
              1. spirit
                spirit April 6 2021 21: 33
                +2

                The funny thing is that during the 91 referendum, all these brave guys from the east overwhelmingly voted for secession from the USSR, after the putsch of the State Emergency Committee)
                And how the roast cock pecked! Now they are Russians, save
                1. ivanec
                  ivanec April 6 2021 21: 45
                  +8
                  It does not matter how they voted, it is important how they counted. "
                  1. Vladimir61
                    Vladimir61 April 6 2021 23: 30
                    0
                    Quote: ivanec
                    It does not matter how they voted, it is important how they counted. "

                    This is how the progress of democratization of elections is characterized! Today, despite all the representative, public, party and technical control, if the opposition loses, then the elections are rigged. 100 and 30 years ago, when nothing of the kind happened, while if the result was, say, 90,9% in the USSR, then the West, emigrants and others shouted that it was a fake. And when, approximately the same figures, climbed on the vote on the independence of the former Republics of the USSR, they were immediately recognized as honest and valid.
                  2. Mantykora
                    Mantykora April 7 2021 12: 29
                    +5
                    Exactly! Moreover, I read that by order of Kravchuk, the ballots were destroyed - there is no way to check. Just take their word for it ... Believe Kravchuk and others like them? Brrr ... And according to Soviet laws, this referendum was illegal, it was impossible to hold two referendums in one year.
                2. ROMAN VYSOTSKY
                  ROMAN VYSOTSKY April 6 2021 23: 48
                  +18
                  Do not fool your head. Before the December 1991 referendum on independence in Ukraine, it sounded from every pillar that Ukraine would sign a new state treaty with Russia and there would be a common state again, especially since the USSR had not yet been destroyed in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. Moreover, in March 1991, an All-Union referendum on the preservation of the USSR was held. Ukraine, on its own initiative, submitted to this referendum an additional question on the preservation of the Ukrainian SSR as part of the USSR. More than 70% of Ukrainian citizens voted for.
                  And six months later she changed her shoes in the air.
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            1. New Year day
              New Year day April 6 2021 20: 52
              -18%
              Quote: ivan2022
              every nation has the right to self-determination.

              Then give the definition of "people". To start
              1. sleeve
                sleeve April 7 2021 05: 09
                +1
                Between a nation and a nation. Just.
          3. qQQQ
            qQQQ April 6 2021 20: 44
            +2
            Quote: Silvestr
            Did you get it? According to international law, this territory of Ukraine is like Karabakh-Azerbaijan

            At this stage, it practically does not belong to Ukraine, but then the second stage of joining Russia. How long it will last is a separate question, but I just wrote about this, that Kiev's actions led to the inevitable annexation of Donbass to us.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day April 6 2021 21: 04
              -9
              Quote: qqqq
              At this stage, it practically does not belong to Ukraine

              De facto. And de Jure?
              1. Vladimir61
                Vladimir61 April 6 2021 23: 36
                -8
                Quote: Silvestr
                De facto. And de Jure?

                Madame Fedya, Yura is there!
              2. qQQQ
                qQQQ April 7 2021 09: 28
                +3
                Quote: Silvestr
                De facto. And de Jure?

                The world is ruled by the right of the strong, who was worried about legal nuances when? Ukraine is fortunate that Putin is confused about the legal component, although this may not be from a good life.
              3. Victorio
                Victorio April 8 2021 08: 40
                +3
                Quote: Silvestr
                Quote: qqqq
                At this stage, it practically does not belong to Ukraine

                De facto. And de Jure?

                ===
                Well, yes, the collective West and actions in Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria (well, even Iraq and Afghanistan) did not stand on ceremony de jure.
              4. gurzuf
                gurzuf April 8 2021 12: 11
                +2
                De jure - also. After all, elections on the territory of the LDNR according to Ukrainian laws are not was carried out... And the legitimate president of Yanukovych V.F. separatists and representatives of Ukrainian-fascist illegal formations overthrew illegally.
            2. Sergey Nikiforov
              Sergey Nikiforov April 10 2021 15: 04
              0
              As far as I remember, the self-proclaimed republics are one third of the entire territory of Donbass, one third. And how, to go to war, to capture Donbass.? Well then, the sanctions will not be much cooler. What.? Remember Iran. International oil embargo Do you think we are weak.?
          4. demo
            demo April 6 2021 21: 50
            +14
            There are no international laws. Faith in the law is the lot of a fool.
            There is a right of power. And there is the power of truth.
            The truth is behind us, behind Russia.
            And I absolutely do not understand the desire to rely on international laws.
            As soon as the bipolar world collapsed, international law ceased to exist from that moment on.
            On what right and by virtue of what laws do Americans find themselves in Syria?
            That's the same thing.
          5. Machito
            Machito April 6 2021 22: 23
            +13
            Donetsk blood proved that they are RUSSIAN. It costs a lot. It's too expensive to be a Russian. If they kill Donetsk, I'll go to Donetsk. I didn't go at 14, I didn't want to upset my mother. Mom died. There is no one to upset. And relatives in Kiev and Lvov remained. Haven't communicated for a long time. I want to visit. Very. Remember grandfather. To remind cousins ​​how he strangled Bandera. When mom can't be upset, courage is rushing.
          6. Serval
            Serval April 7 2021 05: 04
            +3
            According to international laws, this territory of Ukraine

            Expensive Silvestr., if in the Donetsk Republic you are sent to prison, then you will write a petition for clemency to the head of the Donetsk Republic Denis Pushilin, If, of course, you want to get out of prison.
            And if you continue to assert that Donbass is the territory of Ukraine, you may be given a term for an in-depth study of international law.
          7. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek April 7 2021 07: 24
            +3
            Only, in the case of Azerbaijan - there are Armenians, and in the case of the Russian Federation - the same Russians ..... and there are no historical issues (whether they lived or did not live). And legally, yes.
          8. Mantykora
            Mantykora April 7 2021 12: 39
            +5
            What international laws? I heard (it is necessary to check) that Ukraine has not officially registered its borders with the UN. That is, it turns out that the Ukrainian SSR is still in the UN. And there is still no big state seal. And if strictly legally, Ukraine has not been a state at all since 2014. Just an organized criminal group, a terrorist formation, a colony of Western capital - call it what you want. There is practically no state, Ukraine was destroyed until 2014, and a new one was not legally created ... The same DPR, LPR, Crimea created legally new states. And the apparatus of violence (police, Berkut) was destroyed, including physically (Mariupol on May 9.05.2014, XNUMX, the murder of wounded Berkut members in Kiev, kneeling in Lvov), and replaced with a completely new one. When does the apparatus of violence change? During a change of state or occupation.

            I live in Ukraine, mind you. And Ukrainian propaganda works, yeah ...
            1. boris epstein
              boris epstein April 8 2021 16: 13
              0
              I’ll help you a little, if I may. We open the site "UN Member States". It lists the USSR / Russia and two flags - red with a hammer and sickle and a tricolor. Both are legal for the UN. But the cherry on top is a note: "Ukraine and Belarus are countries with limited sovereignty."
      2. knn54
        knn54 April 6 2021 18: 51
        +2
        It's just that Russia is not indifferent to the fate of people.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 6 2021 19: 01
          -14%
          Quote: knn54
          It's just that Russia is not indifferent to the fate of people.

          Whom do you mean by the word "Russia"?
        2. Vladimir Mashkov
          Vladimir Mashkov April 6 2021 19: 34
          +9
          Does Russia need Donbass?

          It seems that such a question should not be asked at all. Does Russia need the richest industrial region inhabited by Russian peoplewho want (the majority - no doubt!) to be with Russia? Needed, of course! But after a seven-year half-life one-on-one with the angry Bandera (just no need to talk about help, "white convoys", passports), half-destruction and half-recognition, bitter feelings of bewilderment and doubt arise. It's time to end these ordeals and torments Russian people!
        3. 210ox
          210ox April 6 2021 19: 36
          +1
          But we are not indifferent to them. And there are people who are responsible FOR EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE. This is our guide. By the way, the Most Important on camera said that "Donbass is the territory of Ukraine." And it's up to him, they won't ask us.
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft April 6 2021 19: 48
            +6
            Quote: 210ox
            By the way, the Most Important on camera said that "Donbass is the territory of Ukraine."

            So he decided everything a long time ago, and how do you write
            stated on camera
            that during an attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Donbass, Ukraine risks losing its statehood, like everyone understands everything, only you are incomprehensible ...
            1. 210ox
              210ox April 6 2021 20: 09
              -6
              Yes, I'm not teachable. When a RUSSIAN CHILD dies from a grenade thrown from drones. And it all gets away with it.
              1. Lara Croft
                Lara Croft April 6 2021 20: 55
                0
                Quote: 210ox
                Yes, I'm not teachable. When a RUSSIAN CHILD dies from a grenade thrown from drones. And it all gets away with it.

                Let's just not speculate about the death of children, in the Russian Federation in the 90s no less died ...
                1. People Ukrainian SSR incl. Luhansk and Donetsk regions being citizens of the USSR,
                voted for December 1, 93% of the population of Ukraine spoke for independence
                ... (Information source - Istoriya.RF portal, https://histrf.ru/lenta-vremeni/event/view/riefieriendum-o-niezavisimosti-ukrainy)
                2.
                On May 11, 2014, a referendum on the self-determination of Donbass was held. The overwhelming majority of residents of the DPR and LPR who took part in the vote supported independence and their secession from Ukraine.

                3. At the moment, the Russian Federation recognizes the territory of the self-proclaimed LPR and DPR as part of Ukraine, and accordingly does not recognize the LPR and DPR as independent states.
                4. VVP told the media that if the Armed Forces of Ukraine unleashed a conflict in the Donbass against the LPR and DPR, Ukraine risks losing its statehood.
                “I hope that things will not come to such provocations. If this happens, it will have very grave consequences for the Ukrainian statehood as a whole. I hope that nothing like this will happen. It is impossible to intimidate people living in Donbass, ”Putin said.

                https://www.politnavigator.net/putin-soobshhil-chem-zakonchitsya-nastuplenie-ukrainy-v-donbasse.html
                1. demo
                  demo April 6 2021 22: 00
                  +7
                  “I hope that things will not come to such provocations. If this happens, it will have very grave consequences for the Ukrainian statehood as a whole. I hope that nothing like this will happen. It is impossible to intimidate people living in Donbass, ”Putin said.
                  Just kill me, but in Putin's words, apart from a distant threat, I heard nothing.
                  Remember 08.08.08, South Ossetia.
                  A battalion of Russian peacekeepers is killed.
                  Open genocide of Ossetians.
                  It would seem necessary to defeat the Georgian army (which they did) and to catch Saakashvili. Deliver to Moscow. Create a Tribunal. Identify the instigators and punish the perpetrators.
                  Capture 10-20 thousand Georgian citizens and send them to rebuild destroyed Tskhinvali.
                  And send a tie-eater to where such characters went.
                  After that, put the question squarely in front of Ukraine, demanding the extradition of those who were sitting in the rocket launchers that shot down our planes.
                  Renouncement? Blockade of the Sea Coast. Termination of supplies of oil and petroleum products. Arrest of all assets on the territory of the Russian Federation. Internment of all citizens with a Ukrainian passport.
                  Then there would not have been what is now.
                  So no. We also have a discount on gas. We and a loan to Yanukovych.
                  Ugh on such a spineless anti-people power like ours.
                  There is such a slang word - syklo.
                  This is me about someone who boasted that life taught me to hit first.
                  1. sleeve
                    sleeve April 7 2021 05: 13
                    0
                    This is courage! Well done! Heroic commentary. All into the fire! No head off, but forward. For "pride". And then they will call them a ssyk ...
                  2. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk April 7 2021 07: 25
                    +1
                    Quote: demo

                    Just kill me, but in Putin's words, apart from a distant threat, I heard nothing.

                    What else do you need in that situation? Bomb Kiev?
                    Everything that you have suggested here has been done on the basis of information received from your cellar. And if you are admitted to Putin's watchtower? And you will receive information from her? Will you also wave a saber? I, too, when I was young, criticized everything and everyone. But time passed, he managed it himself, and the understanding came that not everything is as simple as it seems at first glance. All our mistakes that we make are mainly due to lack of information on the issue.
                    1. demo
                      demo April 7 2021 10: 03
                      -1
                      Well, I will not end up on Putin's "tower", under any circumstances.
                      And you don't need it.
                      Putin's mindset is as clear as God's day.
                      Profitable - not profitable.
                      Who or what is a secondary issue.
                      In order to manage someone, you need to be able to manage yourself.
                      A wide range of interests and a sufficient knowledge base must be applied to this.
                      And when all this comes together - self-discipline, knowledge and horizons, then the desire to control someone disappears, by itself.
                      For there is no greater happiness than being free - from being prodded or from being responsible for someone. But this is the ideal. In life, everything is not so rosy. Or you or you.

                      In order to really assess the policy of our state and its permanent leader, it is enough to confess such a commandment - to doubt everything and look for someone who benefits from it.
                      This stencil will reduce the amount of time to get the correct answer.

                      Rђ RІRѕS, sleeve (maxim) my answer is - to be and to seem are two different things.
                      when the hero declares that I am a pupil of the gateways and streets of St. Petersburg, and there was a principle - if a fight is inevitable, then hit first, then this causes a certain respect, in certain circles.
                      But when real steps and answers come with the declared paradigm, the question arises - where is the one who said this? Did he tell the truth? Or did he want to win a cheap prestige from any punks, level of tramps?
                      And who can share such an ideology of life with him?
                      1. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk April 7 2021 14: 20
                        -1
                        Quote: demo
                        Who or what is a secondary issue.

                        You are wrong. In relation to the head of state, this is the main question. In any case, one of the main ones.
                        Quote: demo
                        Putin's mindset is as clear as God's day.

                        Then I admire you. American analysts, by the way, are serious guys, who for a year cannot understand the way of his thinking.
                        Quote: demo

                        And when all this comes together - self-discipline, knowledge and horizons, then the desire to control someone disappears, by itself.

                        Nobody asked my desire to rule. But I also had the understanding that at the moment there was no one who could. Yes, responsibility. But I made sure that my subordinates were ashamed to let me down. I just treated my subordinates with respect and knew how to do their job just as well. Nothing cunning and inaccessible to others.
                        Quote: demo
                        to confess such a commandment - doubt everything and seek who benefits from it.

                        And it is right. But ... For some reason, all Putin's critics have their eyes closed to good and open to bad. You didn’t pay attention to Putin’s simple phrase: “You have to pull everything into the country, into the country”. He said this to entrepreneurs of all ranks. And this is not a far-fetched phrase, this is an impromptu.
                        Quote: demo
                        Peter, and there was a principle - if a fight is inevitable, then hit first, then this causes a certain respect, in certain circles.

                        But not in yours, as I understand it? But this is not a discovery, this rule is known to every man. There is nothing supernatural in this.
                        Quote: demo
                        Did he tell the truth? Or did he want to win a cheap prestige from any punks, the level of tramps?

                        Of course the truth. Why "every punks ..."? A normal man, defending his honor, girlfriend, wife, children, weak, and should do so. And, believe me, everyone, well, except for you, of course, knows this.
                      2. demo
                        demo April 7 2021 19: 06
                        0
                        You are wrong. In relation to the head of state, this is the main question. In any case, one of the main ones.
                        I diplomatically took this question out of the brackets.
                        It is quite clear to me who and what benefits from what the GDP is doing.
                        It's just that I'm not at all interested in repeating the same thing over and over again.
                        Read my early comments and you will get answers to all questions.
                        Then I admire you. American analysts, by the way, are serious guys, who for a year cannot understand the way of his thinking.
                        When I was very young and hormones were gushing over the edge, the object of desire I liked received a lot of compliments and in the end, in a semi-mysterious whisper, I informed her that she was a unique girl and I had never met anyone like her.
                        Although I didn't think so at all. A doll is a doll - beautiful on the outside and empty on the inside.
                        So it is here. Someone reports that the identity of the GDP is not deciphered.
                        And hundreds of analysts are engaged in understanding it.
                        And well, they can't understand how.
                        Do you seriously think so? Or is it such a banter?
                        Every breath, every turn and tilt of the head, the position of the hands, facial expressions speak about a person more than we would like.
                        And when non-verbal professionals get down to business, one thing can be said - a person becomes naked.
                        It is for people like me and fellow citizens like me that you can powder your brains for twenty years.
                        And there everything has long been understood and laid out on the shelves.
                        And it is right. But ... For some reason, all Putin's critics have their eyes closed to good and open to bad. You didn’t pay attention to Putin’s simple phrase: “You have to pull everything into the country, into the country”. He said this to entrepreneurs of all ranks. And this is not a far-fetched phrase, this is an impromptu.
                        What can fix in a person a firm belief in the honesty of a politician?
                        Only hard and painful sobering.
                        And it is not far off. It's a shame that the number of believers "in the next coming of the GDP" as a messiah is still not getting smaller.
                        And oh, how painful it will be for all of us, and who believed in GDP, and who did not believe in it. For a galley slave had long been retrained as a helmsman. It's just that we're all in the same boat, if I'm not okay.
                        Of course the truth. Why "every punks ..."? A normal man, defending his honor, girlfriend, wife, children, weak, and should do so. And, believe me, everyone, well, except for you, of course, knows this.
                        Now shift these words to the defense of the honor and dignity of the population of Russia, its symbols!
                        Normal guy ...
                        Girl's honor ...
                        Do this ....
                        How could they steal pensions from people? Is this a man?
                        And what about the words spoken ten years ago about the inadmissibility of changing the Constitution and the retirement age? Are these the words of a man or a huckster? When it is beneficial to me, then so, and when populism, then like this. The country meets all world competitions under a white rag. What's this? Protection? Is this a protector?
                        This is balabol.
                        And so any of your statements, I'll just grind into a thin pancake.
                        Do not wake up smartly while sleeping quietly.
                        Live on in pink illusions. If only the dream did not turn into reality, with blood snot.
                      3. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk April 7 2021 21: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: demo
                        Live on in pink illusions.

                        You see, you don't even understand me. But you can see right through Putin. But I have never claimed to be a supporter of Putin. I just hate critics. With which you take out and put. "You never know what the circumstances, you said 15 years ago ..."
                        And the fact that circumstances have changed does not bother you. The thought that the president is not free to do what he wants can never settle in your minds. He is forced to do what the CIRCUMSTANCES require.
                        Well, will you achieve your goal, remove Putin, put Medvedev in his place, will it become easier for you? I’m sure not. Because you are from a cohort of eternally dissatisfied. Whoever is the president, you will still be unhappy. Because you think that if you were in his place, you would certainly make heaven on earth, satisfy the whims and desires of literally everyone. People who consider themselves the smartest are actually not capable of anything. And as workers - none, and as leaders - rubbish.
                      4. demo
                        demo April 8 2021 09: 45
                        -1
                        Let's agree on the following.
                        Replacing Putin with Medvedev is the worst of the bad options.
                        CIRCUMSTANCES weigh on your opponent?
                        Accepted.
                        And the fact that the tail wags the dog is normal.
                        "You shouldn't bend under a changeable world, let it be better if it bends under us."
                        Famous words? Accept
                        If yes, then the circumstances have nothing to do with it.
                        There is one circumstance that does not allow the fulfillment of obligations - death. The rest does not give the right to skimp on their direct responsibilities.
                        If the circumstances cannot be fulfilled by you, due to the circumstances, then declare it loudly and lay down your obligations. Perhaps there is someone who will find a way out of this situation.
                        Do you want to lay down your obligations and continue to row with your last bit of strength?
                        Yes, row, to your health, just get into a one-seater boat, and leave the country alone.

                        There is a replacement for Putin. And such a replacement is, unfortunately, not one person. For no one has canceled the role of personality in history.
                        But there are groups of sufficiently sane people, from different parties and political movements, who can and should be trusted to govern the country.
                        I will not give surnames. For the last 1.5 years, in connection with self-isolation (he isolated himself! As they thought up!), He reviewed and listened to thousands of speeches, hundreds of citizens. Analyzed, compared, rechecked. I climbed into history.
                        And the conclusion suggests itself - there are people in the country who are not indifferent to the fate of the country, in the best, positive sense of the word (and not just in order to steer and steal). There are development programs. There is a vision of where we can and should go.
                        And even those who are sitting next to the throne today, they can and should be used, at first.
                        So to say, "The state is me!", In relation to Putin, is to sign not only his own powerlessness, but also the stupidity of himself and the people from which he emerged.
                        And stupid peoples must disappear. This is an immutable law of history.
                        So I do not want and will not wish my people such a fate.
                      5. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk April 8 2021 14: 01
                        0
                        Quote: demo

                        "You shouldn't bend under a changeable world, let it be better if it bends under us."
                        Famous words? Accept

                        Not. This is not an indisputable truth, but empty, but beautiful, words of poetry. In life, I cannot rely on them, although I will strive for this. If your house burned down, then this CIRCUMSTANCE WILL MAKE you attend to the construction of a new one. Well, you will not bend under this circumstance and ... what?
                        Are you an idealist? You, the words of the poet-loser, were taken for the ultimate truth? The world is not what you want it to be. It is somewhat different. And in it there are objective reasons why you are not free to do as the poet advises you. Are you going to argue? And what does it mean to bend?
                        Quote: demo

                        There is one circumstance that does not allow the fulfillment of obligations - death. The rest does not give the right

                        For you, yes. For the president of the country - no. Because you, in this case, sacrifice yourself, and the president - the country.
                        Quote: demo
                        The rest does not give the right to skimp on their direct responsibilities.

                        The direct responsibilities of the president are the growth of the military, political and economic potential of the STATE, and not your private life.
                        Quote: demo
                        Perhaps there is someone who will find a way out of this situation.

                        Well, if you build the future life of the state on the basis of ABOS, then we do not have much time left. It is good that there are not many such AVOSECs in our society.
                        Quote: demo

                        There is a replacement for Putin. And such a replacement is, unfortunately, not one person. For no one has canceled the role of personality in history.

                        How can you understand this phrase? Is Putin's replacement "not one" person, or is there only one person?
                        And are you ready to name the names of "not one" person, if it is "not one", and, or, the name of a person? Since you already have it.
                        Quote: demo

                        And the conclusion suggests itself - there are people in the country who are not indifferent to the fate of the country, at best,

                        You haven't discovered America. But ... "Name is sister, name. Say name!" (A. Dumas)
                        Quote: demo
                        So what to say about "The State is me!"

                        Who says this? You? And what have we got to do with it?
                      6. demo
                        demo April 8 2021 17: 39
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                        "You shouldn't bend under a changeable world, let it be better if it bends under us."
                        Famous words? Accept

                        Not. This is not an indisputable truth, but empty, but beautiful, words of poetry. In life, I cannot rely on them, although I will strive for this. If your house burned down, then this CIRCUMSTANCE WILL MAKE you attend to the construction of a new one. Well, you will not bend under this circumstance and ... what?

                        You yourself have answered the question. If a house burns down, then there are two ways - to build a new one or go wherever you look.
                        This is the definition of the essence of a person.



                        Are you an idealist? You, the words of the poet-loser, were taken for the ultimate truth?

                        Unfortunately, it does not happen that there are two or more languages ​​for different classes, groups of people.
                        And lyricists, and prose writers, and other representatives of the ethnos use the same tool - language.
                        And even not the most worthy representatives of our fellow citizens (in our understanding) sometimes "give out on the mountain" worthy thoughts.
                        What is now necessary to radically suppress even the very attempt to comprehend what has been said?
                        Or, a priori, to deny the very possibility of using a sufficiently reasonable, life-affirming message for the good of worthy (from our point of view) people.
                        The executioners, the victims, the tsars, and the common people spoke Russian. On it they sang songs to their children and read out the sentence on the capital punishment on it.
                        So what? Now we need to cut off and not remember certain words, phrases, sentences?
                        Then we will be numb.


                        The world is not what you want it to be. It is somewhat different. And in it there are objective reasons why you are not free to do as the poet advises you. Are you going to argue? And what does it mean to bend?

                        The world is exactly as we see it. If it were otherwise, then we would be intelligence itself.
                        Nonsense, wrong steps, meanness, deceit, love, admiration, adoration are a product of our brain's perception, filtered by the principle of approval or not.
                        The reality of life is a common phrase.
                        Life is a complex, dynamic process. And the brain records and operates with static data.
                        Those. today and now. And not many people can extrapolate the process forward: for a day, for a month, for a year.
                        Cause? Lack of constantly correlated data that have, or could be related to a process that has just begun. And this is without taking into account the intertwining processes running in parallel, but at some point changed direction.
                        So what about the reality of being is not about us.
                        And, therefore, realistically assessing objective reasons is the prerogative of very gifted people. To this cohort, the person we are talking about does not even have a remote relationship.
                        But objectively assessing one's strengths and capabilities is a necessary requirement for a person who has taken such a post.
                        And not the desire to free him, because of the insatiable thirst for power, because of the fear of being held responsible for the deliberate mistakes (God forbid, crimes) and leads to the fact that a "cult of personality" is systematically created - (I paraphrase) - After us - the flood!
                        And there is a diligent, painstaking work to remove even a hint of a real, constructive, nationally oriented opposition.
                        And what is not clear in the word sag?
                        Ie, bend from external influences!


                        There is one circumstance that does not allow the fulfillment of obligations - death. The rest does not give the right

                        For you, yes. For the president of the country - no. Because you, in this case, sacrifice yourself, and the president - the country.

                        In the context of what I have said, the word death should be taken as a valid excuse not to allow us to fulfill our obligations. Or promises.
                        To be honest, I took the Oath back in 1982. And I remember one phrase - not sparing my life. Those. I, a priori, must defend my homeland, and if necessary, give my life. And why is the president of the country worse or better than me? Why should he not pay with his life for the fact that he did not defend our (and his) Motherland so well?
                        This is the first.
                        My responsibility to the country and the responsibility of the president are incomparable.
                        Moreover, the president not only must, but he must fulfill his duties so that the people evaluate his actions and steps from the point of view of improvement: material well-being, raising living standards, observance of the law, the formation of such a climate of mutual respect, trust, care for those in the country. who cannot take care of themselves. Etc.
                        What do we see? .....
                        And we see that the president does not sacrifice himself a bit, but is ready to sacrifice the country.



                        The rest does not give the right to skimp on their direct responsibilities.

                        The direct responsibilities of the president are the growth of the military, political and economic potential of the STATE, and not your private life.

                        My private life, as well as the private life of 145 million of my fellow citizens, is the concern for the growth of military, political and economic potential.
                        It all starts small.
                        At first, the life of one person, his worries and aspirations are not so important against the background of strategic tasks.
                        Then the life of a separate family.
                        Then a small village. Then a large village and town.
                        Continue?
                        And then the leader, detached from the earth, soaring in the heavens, equating himself with the omnipotent, ceases to understand his connection with the people who chose him.
                        The choice of the people always goes on the opposition - what was - is, to what they would like to have.
                        The opposite does not happen.
                        On the contrary, it turns out.
                        They wanted to change Gorbachev to Yeltsin, and they did. Who really took part in the shift, and who at home, sat near the warm barrel of his wife, staring indifferently at the screen.
                        Then the people happily decided to change the drunkard to the KGB officer.
                        And not one thought came to mind - the one who betrayed once, will betray more than once.
                        The blind, little-informed people considered the servants of this office to be knights without fear or reproach.
                        And the fact that this fruit quit even before the collapse of the Soviet Union - this fact did not seem suspicious to anyone?
                        Oh, we are fools!
                        And what do we see over the past years?
                        And we see only one thing - building a vertical of power, so that no one could take this power away.
                        The steps of someone who had to think and act differently, cause not even shock, but anger.
                        Indulging the formation of negative attitudes in neighboring countries - Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova, partly in Kazakhstan, a little in Belarus, towards our country, towards our language, towards our culture.
                        Silent and unrequited patience of all countries' antics in relation to Russia.
                        Spat upon, insulted, humiliated Russia, against the background of expressed concerns and great concerns.
                        Conducting absolutely unnecessary sporting events (the Olympics and the FIFA World Cup). Huge expenses for the construction of objects that are completely unnecessary today. Deception, and in the future the ruin of hundreds of contractors, due to unpaid volumes of work. Completed with absolutely unacceptable quality of work (as a professional builder I declare).
                        Annual Messages (almost a Gospel!) That are not being fulfilled by anyone.
                        The collapse of the justice system (the attitude towards judges is even more negative than towards the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs) and law and order (daily, less often weekly, detention of people in uniform).
                        Complete indifference of municipal and regional authorities to the main aspirations of the population: the closure of clinics, the consolidation of schools, the cancellation of buses to remote settlements, the lack of jobs (25 million jobs - ay! Where are you?)
                        And then - more.
                        A frame for the Constitution, which he swore not to touch, under any circumstances!
                        They all pushed in there, which, in principle, did not have to be pushed in.
                        For example: the creation of the State Council. Introduced. And how will we form it - elect or appoint?
                        Explained to us-boys - then, we will prescribe the Federal law.
                        But at least there is a outline? Not yet. Then they will.
                        Those. if tomorrow the people of the United Russia will take a ride in the elections, then the chances for Putin to sit on the throne will be small. So he already held a straw for himself, in the form of the head of the State Council.
                        And so that the people did not throw out something, they also provided for their own non-jurisdiction.
                        I am silent about pensions.
                        The main "merit" of Putin is that he opened the road for scoundrels and scoundrels to power.
                        It is they who provide him with all-round defense, on the basis of mutual responsibility.
                      7. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk April 8 2021 18: 33
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                        Quote: demo

                        And what is not clear in the word sag?
                        Ie, bend from external influences!

                        There is one circumstance that does not allow the fulfillment of obligations - death. The rest does not give the right

                        You promised your son to buy a car. And then the house burned down. You started building a new house and postponed buying a car indefinitely. Have you "caved in" to a changing world? What will you say to your son in response to the reproach - you are a chatterbox, did not keep your promise?
                        Forgive me, but I didn’t read your opus further - it’s not interesting.
                        I do not perceive your youthful maximalism. hi
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      3. Pravodel
        Pravodel April 8 2021 07: 55
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        it is necessary to smash the Georgian army (which they did) and to catch Saakashvili. Deliver to Moscow. Create a Tribunal. Identify the instigators and punish the perpetrators

        Here you are absolutely right. It is not at all clear why then they did not reach Tbilisi and capture the tie-chewing giver. He would have told a lot on camera and in court about his patrons. Then they would not have yelled that Russia had robbed someone again, but sat and wiped themselves off, raking their own shit that had come to the surface.
        And so it is completely unclear how the whole operation ended.
        One thing can be said, D.A. Medvedev, did not catch the moment !?
    2. 210ox
      210ox April 7 2021 05: 34
      -1
      Children are dying now, unfortunately, many. Some from drugs, some from stupidity. Well, if we proceed from the fact that the death of many is a statistic, then for me the death of one child remains a tragedy like this. Although, I agree with you on something, Donbass is that suitcase without a handle that we will have to carry. By the way, people are slowly moving from there to Russia. One works for us. There was work there at the power plant, but the whole family got together and left. Moreover, the children went to Russia to the Kuban, and the parents to Kiev.
  • Zug
    Zug April 6 2021 21: 19
    +2
    Why can Ukraine lose its statehood? For example, I do not see any prerequisites for this ..
  • Kronos
    Kronos April 7 2021 00: 57
    +5
    As long as I am the President, the retirement age will not rise, and then hob and treat with understanding.
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad April 6 2021 19: 48
    +5
    Quote: 210ox
    By the way, the Most Important on camera said that - "Donbass-territory of Ukraine"


    and the chief said on camera that an attempt to crush the Donbass by force would raise the question of the existence of Ukraine's statehood.
    1. yuliatreb
      yuliatreb April 7 2021 04: 11
      0
      We have heard these statements quite a lot, as well as promises, which means that the price of such statements is equal to the coefficient of promises.
  • Antidote
    Antidote April 6 2021 20: 28
    -2
    Where are Damansky and Pavlodar now, since fate is not indifferent?
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk April 6 2021 19: 19
    +7
    Quote: Vladimir61
    I would suggest ending the article like this: "Russia needs Donbass!"

    Russia needs all of Ukraine. But we must continue from Donbass. They started from the Crimea.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft April 6 2021 19: 50
      +3
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      Russia needs all of Ukraine. But we must continue from Donbass. They started from the Crimea.

      Why does the Russian Federation need all of Ukraine? The Russian Federation has enough of those lands that Russia lost as a result of the finding of the RSFSR as part of the USSR ... there is no need for someone else's Russian Federation ...
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk April 6 2021 20: 03
        -1
        Quote: Lara Croft

        Why does the Russian Federation need all of Ukraine? The Russian Federation has enough of those lands that Russia lost as a result of the finding of the RSFSR as part of the USSR ... there is no need for someone else's Russian Federation ...

        = Galicia-Volyn principality was one of the largest principalities during the collapse of Kievan Rus. =
        All the lands of Kievan Rus are Russian lands. G. Lvov was founded by the Russian prince Daniil Galitsky.
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft April 6 2021 20: 33
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          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          = Galicia-Volyn principality was one of the largest principalities during the collapse of Kievan Rus. =
          All the lands of Kievan Rus are Russian lands. G. Lvov was founded by the Russian prince Daniil Galitsky.

          RF legal successor of Kievan Rus?
          The territories of Poland, Finland and the Baltic countries also need to be returned, according to the historical period of time, the Russian Federation has more rights to them ...
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk April 6 2021 21: 19
            +1
            Quote: Lara Croft
            RF legal successor of Kievan Rus?

            Estessno! Poland and Finland were captured by force. Then he was released in peace. The lands of Kievan Rus were seized from us. We must return.
            1. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft April 6 2021 21: 32
              -1
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              [Poland and Finland were captured by force.

              I thought they left the Republic of Ingushetia as a result of the wars ...
              Estessno!

              You, as I understand it, are a supporter of alternative history ... You just have to find a legal basis, incl. when the Russian Federation declared itself the legal successor of Kievan Rus ...
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk April 7 2021 07: 39
                -1
                [quote = Lara Croft
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                [Poland and Finland were captured by force.
                I thought they left the Republic of Ingushetia as a result of the wars ... [/ quote]
                And I thought that war is the POWERFUL solution to a political issue.
                Quote: Lara Croft
                You, as I understand it, are a supporter of alternative history.

                Why did it happen?
                Quote: Lara Croft
                it remains to find a legal basis, incl. when the Russian Federation declared itself the legal successor of Kievan Rus ...

                If we proceed from your understanding of the issue, then it is necessary to return the Crimea to the Tatars, the southern Kuriles to the Japanese, Kaliningrad to the Germans. You are ready?
                1. Lara Croft
                  Lara Croft April 7 2021 11: 32
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                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  And I thought that war is the POWERFUL solution to a political issue.

                  You thought rightly, only RI Poland and Finland withdrew as a result of the wars not with Poland and Finland, try to google, or something ...
                  If we proceed from your understanding of the issue, then it is necessary to return the Crimea to the Tatars, the southern Kuriles to the Japanese, Kaliningrad to the Germans.

                  Not at all. You somehow distort everything, in view of the fact that you do not understand, as I understand the issue of belonging / non-belonging of the territories of the modern Russian Federation and just troll ...
                  The Kuril Islands, South Sakhalin and a small part of East Prussia were ceded to the USSR as a result of WWII, and the Russian Federation was its successor.
                  Crimea was ceded by the Russian Federation on the basis of an agreement on the entry of the Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol into the Russian Federation, the prerequisite and basis for the entry of these subjects of international law into the Russian Federation was the holding of a referendum in Crimea and Sevastopol.

                  I will say more, I believe that VVP was right when he said that when the USSR was dissolved, the republics had to return all the Russian lands that they acquired during the period when they were part of the USSR.
                  Not a single republic of the former USSR has lost as much land as the RSFSR thanks to the leadership of the USSR, at the head of which there were almost no Russians ...
                  According to the idea, the monuments of Lenin, Stalin and Khrushchev should stand in every Ukrainian courtyard and village, because, as if not these comrades, today's Ukraine was a little bigger than Moldova .... and the ungrateful Ukrainian descendants destroyed them all .... a paradox. ..
                  1. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk April 7 2021 14: 31
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                    Quote: Lara Croft

                    Not at all. You somehow distort everything, in view of the fact that you do not understand, as I understand the issue of belonging / non-belonging of the territories of the modern Russian Federation and just troll ...

                    No, you have some kind of selective view of this issue.
                    In one case, you need legal succession, and in the other - the results of the war. Or have you learned a double approach from yours?
                  2. Lara Croft
                    Lara Croft April 7 2021 15: 40
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                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    In one case, you need legal succession, and in the other - the results of the war. Or have you learned a double approach from yours?

                    You are trolling because you have no reason to parry my comments, it seems that I wrote everything in Russian, if you cannot perceive written speech, then I have nothing to communicate with you ...
                    The Kuril Islands, South Sakhalin and a small part of East Prussia were ceded to the USSR as a result of WWII, and the Russian Federation was its successor.
                    It seems that everyone who knows written language understood what I mean, are you the only one incomprehensible, or simply litter the air here with your own incomprehension ...
                    Crimea was ceded by the Russian Federation on the basis of of the agreement on the entry of the Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol into the Russian Federation, the prerequisite and basis for the entry of these subjects of international law into the Russian Federation was clausereferendum in Crimea and Sevastopol.
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft April 7 2021 15: 42
    -1
    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    Russia needs all of Ukraine. But we must continue from Donbass. They started from the Crimea.

    Well, go ahead and continue, don't warm up your sofa and don't give out "valuable" instructions ....
  • Barberry25
    Barberry25 April 6 2021 22: 01
    +1
    everything has its pluses and minuses .. it doesn't seem strange to you: why, in fact, for 5 years the APU moved sluggishly, and then suddenly they began to pull the troops together? , but as soon as it starts working, then the Germans will be against it ... Therefore, the movement began to force Russia to either openly introduce peacekeepers, or to include the LPNR in the Russian Federation. Under this, SP-2 will be hacked to death with a guarantee. This is wonderful in the Kremlin. understand, that is why they began to openly transfer troops to Crimea and to the border with Ukraine, not to mention one-on-one negotiations ... The essence is to force the Armed Forces of Ukraine to abandon the idea of ​​an offensive ... In general, no one will give up Donbass, for the image, but it will work either the North Wind, or volunteers. There is one moment, they will shoot footage for TV or they will immediately start wetting
  • Pravodel
    Pravodel April 8 2021 07: 50
    +1
    I would suggest ending the article like this: "Russia needs Donbass!"

    Dear Vladimir61, I will complement you. Not easy
    Donbass is needed by Russia
    , and Russia needs all the lands that fell away from Russia in betrayal. And also all the Russian people living in the Russian lands are needed .. Banderlog can live in Poland, which perfectly knows how to break with them, and the Russian people must return to their homeland, to Russia, Russia needs them !!!
  • Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis April 10 2021 21: 32
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    Quote: Vladimir61
    Quote: Engineer
    On the air heading "Roman Ivanov explains for everything"

    What's wrong? Is this question only for the residents of Donbass?
    I would suggest ending the article like this: "Russia needs Donbass!"

    I would end the article like this - Russia is Donbass. The same as Sevastopol, Crimea, Penza, Volgograd, Novgorod ..
  • Hlavaty
    Hlavaty April 6 2021 18: 35
    -1
    Amazing. The article somehow gets out of the general tone of articles like "yourself, yourself" and "why do we need this Ukraine."
    I wonder what this should mean? Is it a whim of the editorial board or is something really changing in relation to the LPNR?
  • Terenin
    Terenin April 6 2021 20: 53
    +8
    Does Russia need Donbass?

    Needed!
    1. Monster_Fat
      Monster_Fat April 7 2021 00: 07
      +3
      Does Russia need Donbass?

      It is curious that in 2014 the question "needed" was not at all - "needed" was unambiguously, well, you remember: "Russians do not abandon their own", "Russian spring", "Russian world" and all that. And now, now, and they ask, "and, is it necessary?" How has everything changed over the years. sad
      1. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty April 7 2021 08: 59
        +1
        So I'm surprised! LDNR will soon celebrate the first decade of its existence, but the Russian Federation has not yet decided "do we need them?"
        How this should please the residents of the LDNR themselves: they fought and died, but it still turns out that they did it somehow unconvincingly for the Russian Federation.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin April 7 2021 09: 35
          +3
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          already, and spravshivayut- "and, is it necessary?

          Quote: Hlavaty
          So I'm surprised!

          It is necessary, but a suitable geopolitical and geo-economic situation has not yet emerged.
          Now, the main thing, in Donbass, is to preserve the core of the Russian people.
          1. Hlavaty
            Hlavaty April 7 2021 09: 42
            +1
            Quote: Terenin
            Now, the main thing, in Donbass, is to preserve the core of the Russian people.

            I wonder how? Burning it under shelling, "in basements" or expelling it into exile?
            All this talk about the "Russian world" and the "Russian people" is not confirmed by elementary practice. If the LDNR is the "Russian world", then hardly anyone of their own free will want such a "world".
            1. Terenin
              Terenin April 7 2021 09: 58
              +3
              Quote: Hlavaty
              All this talk about the "Russian world" and the "Russian people" is not confirmed by elementary practice.

              "Russian world" and the annexation of territories are not the same thing.

              There are many reasons for not joining.
              Throwing the Minsk Agreements into the trash heap by Russia will mean that Russia will become the official gravedigger of the Minsk Agreements, which means that it will be officially blamed for the destruction of the diplomatic format. At best, this will lead to a drop in Moscow's international prestige (the Russian Federation acts as a defender of international law and cannot, like the United States, calmly wipe down any documents it has signed).
              1. Hlavaty
                Hlavaty April 7 2021 10: 08
                -1
                I wonder how "the Russian Federation acts as a defender of international law"? If you yourself write that "the United States, calmly wipe yourself with any documents signed by it."

                In fact, it looks like a complete circus: the United States is wiping itself up, and the Russian Federation "expresses concern." And what is the use of this?
                1. Terenin
                  Terenin April 7 2021 18: 47
                  +3
                  Quote: Hlavaty
                  In fact, it looks like a complete circus: the United States is wiping itself up, and the Russian Federation "expresses concern." And what is the use of this?

                  In fact, some are strong, others are weak ... for now
  • Artavazdych
    Artavazdych April 6 2021 18: 10
    +33
    I would rephrase the title of the article a little. Does Russia need Russians?
    See you soon ...
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 April 6 2021 18: 21
      +15
      It is possible and even wider - does the Russian Federation really need Russia? So far, this is not at all obvious from the body movements of our top officials ..
      1. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter April 6 2021 18: 30
        -6
        Quote: paul3390
        It is possible and even wider - does Russia really need Russia? So far, it is not at all obvious from the body movements of our top officials ..

        Comrade, with your permission I will correct, there is Russia, but there is a certain function with the abbreviation AOZT RF.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 April 6 2021 18: 31
          +1
          I agree. I will correct it.
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter April 6 2021 18: 26
      +7
      Quote: Artavazdych
      I would rephrase the title of the article a little. Does Russia need Russians?
      See you soon ...

      Colleague, the question is correct, with only one caveat not to Russia, but to the state of the Russian Federation. Now I see that the authorities need Asians and are much nicer than the indigenous people of Russia.
    3. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT April 6 2021 18: 27
      +2
      I would rephrase the title of the article a little. Does Russia need Russians?
      See you soon ...
      Yes, there are not unfounded fears in this, it is not enough to give hard teeth and free the Russian lands, but we also need to keep them, for which considerable resources are needed, for this some people need to greatly curtail their appetites and tighten their screws, but with this we have Problems...
    4. Professor
      Professor April 6 2021 19: 40
      +2
      Quote: Artavazdych
      Of course, you can ignore the deaths of two thousand Russians. But what then will prevent the Ukrainian side from killing

      I don’t understand why wait when they start shooting at your citizens? What will we see soon? At a glance, how to take care of your own:
      1. Citizenship and lifts are issued to repatriates right at the airport within an hour upon arrival.
      2. A ministry of absorption is being created which deals with the reception and placement of repatriates. Pays for education in universities and so on.
      3. Assistance in starting a business, tax breaks.
      4. Crazy discounts in utility bills.
      5. Helping a repatriate is considered a matter of honor for any native of the country.
      6. The state encourages its people to return home in every possible way.
      7. The country sends for its planes and steamers and takes them home by the thousands, leaving no one on foreign territory.
      1. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty April 7 2021 09: 20
        -1
        Everything that you have listed is fine for nomads whose concept of "native land" is absent or replaced by the concept of "historical homeland".
        And for those who have this concept, the question arises "What kind of frenzy should I give my native land to some newcomers?"
        Not everyone is ready to recognize that someone outsider has the right to drive you out of your land. Actually the history of Russia is twisted around this.
        That is why, probably, many in the Russian Federation have such a painful attitude towards the loss of Ukraine and the "creeping away" of Belarus. After the collapse of the USSR, the "primordial Russian lands" turned out to be very uncomfortable for the Russians.
        1. Professor
          Professor April 7 2021 09: 25
          +1
          Quote: Hlavaty
          Everything that you have listed is fine for nomads whose concept of "native land" is absent or replaced by the concept of "historical homeland".
          And for those who have this concept, the question arises "What kind of frenzy should I give my native land to some newcomers?"
          Not everyone is ready to recognize that someone outsider has the right to drive you out of your land. Actually the history of Russia is twisted around this.
          That is why, probably, many in the Russian Federation have such a painful attitude towards the loss of Ukraine and the "creeping away" of Belarus. After the collapse of the USSR, the "primordial Russian lands" turned out to be very uncomfortable for the Russians.

          Got it. Territories are more important than citizens. Thanks for the clarification. hi
          1. Hlavaty
            Hlavaty April 7 2021 09: 28
            -3
            Do not understand. What is more important is decided by the citizens themselves. Someone is ready to defend their "native land", and someone thinks that he has more important things to do.
            There is no rule. Only education.
            1. Professor
              Professor April 7 2021 09: 44
              0
              Thanks, but I got it already. According to your territory is more important than citizens, otherwise you would take your citizens home from someone else's territory. hi
              1. Hlavaty
                Hlavaty April 7 2021 09: 55
                -3
                For a "professor" you are surprisingly dull smile
                I don’t need to ascribe other people's thoughts under the flag "according to you ...". This is not in my opinion, but because a certain part of people thinks.
                And about "you would take your citizens home from someone else's territory," then there is no absolute rule either. If your citizens wandered into someone else's territory, got into trouble and asked to pick them up, then you need to pick them up. And if you take your citizens from everywhere, just because someone decided that the territory in which they live is "foreign" for them, then you risk again finding yourself without your own territory, in exile.

                Are you ready to give Jerusalem to the Arabs and take away your citizens from there, only on the grounds that the Arabs consider this territory theirs, and, accordingly, "foreign" for your citizens?
                1. Professor
                  Professor April 7 2021 10: 19
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                  Quote: Hlavaty
                  For a "professor" you are surprisingly dull

                  I understood the first time and even thanked you for the explanations.

                  Quote: Hlavaty
                  And about "you would take your citizens home from someone else's territory," then there is no absolute rule either. If your citizens wandered into someone else's territory, got into trouble and asked to pick them up, then you need to pick them up. And if you take your citizens from everywhere, just because someone decided that the territory in which they live is "foreign" for them, then you risk again finding yourself without your own territory, in exile.

                  Yes, we take our citizens and just fellow tribesmen from everywhere and bring them home. For example, tens of thousands of Jews were evacuated from Yemen and Ethiopia. We HE began to assert that this is our land, despite the fact that the Jews lived there for THOUSANDS of years.

                  Quote: Hlavaty
                  Are you ready to give Jerusalem to the Arabs and take away your citizens from there, only on the grounds that the Arabs consider this territory theirs, and, accordingly, "foreign" for your citizens?

                  No, since Jerusalem is Israel as well as Moscow is the Russian Federation. However, Donbass is never the Russian Federation, Abkhazia is never the Russian Federation and South Ossetia with Transnistria is never the Russian Federation, even in the opinion of the Russian Federation itself. Therefore, I understand your position regarding your (newly minted) citizens and adjacent territories. Believe me, I understood everything. hi
                  Thank you again.
                  1. Hlavaty
                    Hlavaty April 7 2021 10: 22
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                    Was Jerusalem ALWAYS Israel? smile
                    1. Professor
                      Professor April 7 2021 10: 30
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                      Quote: Hlavaty
                      Was Jerusalem ALWAYS Israel? smile

                      Jerusalem has never been the capital of any other state besides Israel. Was Jerusalem occupied by other countries? Repeatedly. However, "Moscow, burnt down by the fire, was given over to the Frenchman."
                      By the way, in 1948, Israel evacuated its citizens from Jerusalem, many of whom were able to return home only in 1967. It's just that the territory turned out to be less important than the citizens.
                      1. Hlavaty
                        Hlavaty April 7 2021 10: 39
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                        You understand that you and I live in a world where, for a certain amount of money, a team of hired historians will "prove" that your land is not yours, but "this unfortunate people" (at the same time, the "people" will come up with some kind), and The media will convey this idea to the people and it will "take possession of the masses." And then someone will finance these masses, train, arm and send them to reclaim their "ancestral lands". And he will make his own gesheft on this.
                        In this way, any territory can be made "more important than citizens." If someone sees profit in this, then "there is no such crime that the capitalist would not go for the sake of 300% of the profit."
                        Under capitalism, this is the only rule. Everything else is a bargaining chip.
                      2. Professor
                        Professor April 7 2021 10: 51
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                        Quote: Hlavaty
                        You understand that you and I live in a world where, for a certain amount of money, a team of hired historians will "prove" that your land is not yours, but "this unfortunate people" (at the same time, the "people" will come up with some kind), and The media will convey this idea to the people and it will "take possession of the masses." And then someone will finance these masses, train, arm and send them to reclaim their "ancestral lands". And he will make his own gesheft on this.
                        In this way, any territory can be made "more important than citizens." If someone sees profit in this, then "there is no such crime that the capitalist would not go for the sake of 300% of the profit."
                        Under capitalism, this is the only rule. Everything else is a bargaining chip.

                        Nor and how then can one explain the fact that capitalist Israel gave Sinai (yes, yes, the very one where the Almighty gave the Jews the Torah) with proven oil reserves and also evacuated the whole city of its citizens? Doesn't add up however.

                        And paid historians come and go. How is Denis Diderot: "You can deceive some, or deceive everyone in some place and at some time, but you cannot deceive everyone everywhere and in all ages. "?
                      3. Hlavaty
                        Hlavaty April 7 2021 12: 24
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                        Quote: Professor
                        Nor and how then can one explain the fact that capitalist Israel gave Sinai (yes, yes, the very one where the Almighty gave the Jews the Torah) with proven oil reserves and also evacuated the whole city of its citizens? Doesn't add up however.

                        Why did you decide that you and I must have been informed of what the gesheft was about and who got it?

                        And then, for example, the world community in Afghanistan is at war with the Taliban, and someone for control over drug trafficking. Or in Syria, the media talk about the war with ISIS, and someone secretly yanks Syrian oil in hundreds of thousands of tons. Etc.
                      4. Professor
                        Professor April 7 2021 13: 02
                        +2
                        Quote: Hlavaty
                        Why did you decide that you and I must have been informed of what the gesheft was about and who got it?

                        Is it possible to hide such a gesheft for half a century?

                        Quote: Hlavaty
                        And then, for example, the world community in Afghanistan is at war with the Taliban, and someone for control over drug trafficking. Or in Syria, the media talk about the war with ISIS, and someone secretly yanks Syrian oil in hundreds of thousands of tons. Etc.

                        You see. All the beneficiaries are there and nothing can be hidden.
                      5. Hlavaty
                        Hlavaty April 7 2021 13: 33
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                        Quote: Professor
                        Is it possible to hide such a gesheft for half a century?

                        Oh, I beg you! The archives of the Vatican and leading countries are full of such documents, and some were destroyed long ago. Chat with professional archivists - you will at least be surprised at how things are there.
                        Quote: Professor
                        All the beneficiaries are there and nothing can be hidden.

                        Are you sure everything? These are just a few layers in a very layered painting. Something can be guessed, but we don't even have an idea about something.
                        The media creates the illusion that we are over-informed, but in reality we are simply bombarded with garbage "news" and "sensations". And among this rubbish there is not very much truth, and the "truth" that is, is distorted in the direction needed by the owners of the media.
                        Why, in your opinion, there are all sorts of special depositories and special funds, why in every library there are funds with very limited access. For example, the famous "closed" part of the Vatican library.

                        I think that the main task of the media is precisely to create the illusion that "we know everything." Then it seems like there is no reason to seek the truth. What for? We already know everything. smile
                      6. Professor
                        Professor April 7 2021 13: 44
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                        Quote: Hlavaty
                        Oh, I beg you! The archives of the Vatican and leading countries are full of such documents, and some were destroyed long ago. Chat with professional archivists - you will at least be surprised at how things are there.

                        Are we talking about private correspondence and secret archives?
                        We are talking about the transfer to Egypt of the territory with oil several times larger than the territory of Israel and the evacuation of the whole city. What's the secret? What is the gesheft?
                        Quote: Hlavaty
                        Are you sure everything? These are just a few layers in a very layered painting. Something can be guessed, but we don't even have an idea about something.
                        The media creates the illusion that we are over-informed, but in reality we are simply bombarded with garbage "news" and "sensations". And among this rubbish there is not very much truth, and the "truth" that is, is distorted in the direction needed by the owners of the media.
                        Why, in your opinion, there are all sorts of special depositories and special funds, why in every library there are funds with very limited access. For example, the famous "closed" part of the Vatican library.

                        I think that the main task of the media is precisely to create the illusion that "we know everything." Then it seems like there is no reason to seek the truth. What for? We already know everything

                        I'm not sure that everything, but you probably listed the main ones.
                        It is impossible to create an illusion for 50 years. People ask questions. Power is changing. So what's the deal?
                      7. Hlavaty
                        Hlavaty April 7 2021 13: 58
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                        Quote: Professor
                        It is impossible to create an illusion for 50 years. People ask questions. Power is changing.

                        Listen, professor, well, you just touch me with your naivety. fellow
                        Various cults have been creating an illusion for centuries, and you mean some pitiful 50 years.
                        Is power changing? Have you heard the term "old money"? Or do you think that those who own the finances of this world are also re-elected in the elections? Or maybe modern politicians are independent politicians?
                        Do people ask questions? So for such "question-askers" the media were invented to fill them up with a bunch of garbage information, and if this did not help, then the special services can also be involved. Or even just take by the throat with loans, without which modern society cannot imagine its life.

                        Well, these are such elementary things that even talking about it is somehow inconvenient. Like an ABC book to read aloud. smile

                        If you understand more about the pictures, I recommend watching the movie "Wag the dog". Wonderful work by Dustin Hoffman and Robert De Niro. It's just about how to create illusions and how to keep secrets.
                        Only Americans could talk so mercilessly and mercilessly about their democracy. good
                      8. Professor
                        Professor April 7 2021 14: 07
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                        Power is not just changing, but the opposition comes to power and does not spare the previous power at all.
                        And yet, what is the gescheft to give up a huge territory with oil and evacuate your city?
                      9. Hlavaty
                        Hlavaty April 7 2021 14: 19
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                        Quote: Professor
                        Power is not just changing, but the opposition comes to power and does not spare the previous power at all.

                        Hug and cry ... Is it news that both the government and the opposition are funded by the same people? And the one who pays is the one who orders the tune ...

                        Quote: Professor
                        And yet, what is the gescheft to give up a huge territory with oil and evacuate your city?

                        How do I know why this territory and the city were sold. Obviously, for those who did this, the gesheft exceeded this territory, oil, and the city.
                        Maybe someday someone will blabber about it. Or maybe the officially written version of why "it was right" will remain in history.
                        We can only try to collect some kind of mosaic from scattered facts or be content with official versions of what is happening.

                        For example, I am not satisfied with the official versions of what is happening in the Donbass and Ukraine. It is obvious to me that all participants in the events are lying, without exception. And for what was it all started? One can only guess ...
                      10. Professor
                        Professor April 7 2021 14: 54
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                        Quote: Hlavaty
                        Hug and cry ... Is it news that both the government and the opposition are funded by the same people? And the one who pays is the one who orders the tune ...

                        Are you sure that by the same people? I always thought that different clans would otherwise need to spend huge sums of money on the election campaign? Moreover, I even know the names of these sponsors.

                        Quote: Hlavaty
                        How do I know why this territory and the city were sold. Obviously, for those who did this, the gesheft exceeded this territory, oil, and the city.
                        Maybe someday someone will blabber about it. Or maybe the officially written version of why "it was right" will remain in history.
                        We can only try to collect some kind of mosaic from scattered facts or be content with official versions of what is happening.

                        Or maybe they were aliens and that's why no one noticed the gesheft?

                        Quote: Hlavaty
                        For example, I am not satisfied with the official versions of what is happening in the Donbass and Ukraine. It is obvious to me that all participants in the events are lying, without exception. And for what was it all started? One can only guess ...

                        Well, everything is elementary here. Gesheft goes to Rabinovich. wink
        2. Dante Alighieri
          Dante Alighieri April 7 2021 13: 10
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          However, Donbass is never the Russian Federation, Abkhazia is never the Russian Federation and South Ossetia with Transnistria is never the Russian Federation.


          Prof, after such statements, I seriously have to fear for your health. My dear, do you not know that some 30 years ago the Russian Federation, and with it Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan (he seems to have listed all of them) did not exist at all as sovereign subjects of international law, tk. all of them were included in the framework of one state entity called the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. However, even before his appearance, they were so strongly independent.

          Professor, I understand that in your age, dementia still takes its toll, but if you brainwash, then remember that you even once had a docУa cop confirming your citizenship to this country.

          I am also forced to remind you that the population of this country quite specifically spoke for its future during the all-Union referendum, which means that all events that happened later and clearly go against the will of citizens are illegal.

          Meanwhile, only one of these 14 republics - the RSFSR, that is, the current Russian Federation - called itself the legal successor of the USSR. And therefore, if you wish, you can always find a legal basis for revising the results of that bacchanalia, which was happening in the 90s, if there was a desire. Exactly as the Germans did, who also had walls built in their time. We have no less moral and legal grounds to reconsider the legality of independent planning than do some dotches.

          Sho about people, my opinion is this: you don't need to give anyone comfort with these moves of yours, we will do everything ourselves: we will demolish the partitions, make the bathroom and kitchen common again, otherwise the tenants from the outer room are already mired in their own sewage (not that it is They were very annoyed, but all the neighbors around them feel the smell). In addition, our people, not like yours, they have grown so soulfully to the lands where they live, you cannot even pull out sho. We'll have to take in bulk. Yes, the costs, but we are not so callous not to take into account the pain of our future citizens from the loss of pressure.ИTogo.
        3. Professor
          Professor April 7 2021 13: 36
          -2
          Somehow everything is running for you.
          1. The USSR ceased to exist despite a non-binding referendum. The legal authority was self-liquidated. Gorbachev resigned. There is no government in exile.
          2. The USSR has 15 successors. The right to the territory, natural resources, airspace of each of the 15 republics, respectively, and the Russian Federation signed bilateral agreements with most of them on the division of USSR property abroad and USSR debts. These rights are confirmed by the UN.
          3. Revisions of the borders (about how the Russian Federation is afraid of these words) is possible only bilaterally with each of the former republics of the USSR and with the consent of the contracting parties. Otherwise, it is aggression and occupation contrary to the UN Charter.
          4. "Sho about people" then your opinion is not interesting to me from the word "absolutely". request
        4. Dante Alighieri
          Dante Alighieri April 8 2021 00: 06
          +1
          Prof, don't talk bullshit, she's hurting.
          Although the USSR ceased to exist, the people who lived in it, who remember it, have not gone anywhere. And this is the key difference between us and the Jews, whom you take out from the territory that supposedly belonged to you back in those days, which even Aunt Sonya, who saw Moisha himself, does not remember. Moreover, these people pass on their perception of the world to us, their descendants, who had a chance to be content with only the ruins of Soviet civilization. A couple of years ago I was in Belarus and was very surprised: even in an intelligent environment of relatively young people (+ -30), the appeal "comrade", not "master", is widespread, I will keep silent about the absence of any linguistic and cultural barriers ... As if he had not come to another country, but went out to the store for bread.

          As for the government in exile as an immutable requirement and other heavy nonsense about
          non-binding referendum
          I will answer: there could be no government in exile a priori, because the government itself (more precisely, representatives of the executive authorities of the republics) carried out the deconstruction of the country to please its predatory interests (and let's not forget, with the direct support of Tel Aviv and Washington). While the powers of those persons who participated in the Belovezhskaya conspiracy were simply not to make such decisions, they acted against the will of the citizens of the USSR, and therefore, according to the legislation in force for 1991, they are state criminals, as a result, the decisions they made , illegal and criminal. I understand that when it comes to gesheft, Themis shyly turns her head away, but we seem to be trying to play legality, so let's be consistent to the end.

          The USSR has 15 legal successors. The right to the territory, natural resources, airspace of each of the 15 republics, respectively, and the Russian Federation signed bilateral agreements with most of them on the division of USSR property abroad and USSR debts. These rights are confirmed by the UN.

          Prof, just don't tell this to the Western Ukrainians about the fact that they are the legal successors of the USSR, otherwise, I'm afraid your stay in this world will end much earlier than the time allotted to you.
          Agreements on the division of property of the USSR between the newly formed countries are just a division of spheres of influence between organized criminal groups, nothing more. They carry no sacred meaning.
          The only country that in official documents proclaimed itself the legal successor of the USSR is the Russian Federation (Article 67.1 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation). Here, nevertheless, we must pay tribute to the representatives of the Russian pro-government organized criminal group of those years (or rather the people that they were advised), which turned out to be more far-sighted than others and left for itself a very convenient legal gate in case the other "respected partners" want to change the rules of the game. And this colitis has been preserved even in the amended Constitution. Yes, of course, you can point out to me the existence of a clause "on your territory", but it is easy to remove it during literally one extraordinary session of the Constitutional Court - there would be political will for that.

          Otherwise, it is aggression and occupation contrary to the UN Charter.

          Well, yes, and the UN itself is an example of objectivity and impartiality. Any, I emphasize, any UN decision is easily ignored and overcome by self-sufficient and truly independent actors in the international political arena. The USA and the USSR have demonstrated this more than once during their stay. Finally, do not forget that the UN is an instrument created in an era in a bipolar world order. Given the dominance of one value system, its effectiveness and, above all, non-engagement is highly questionable. Many international lawyers speak openly about this. I can even share my research if you are interested.
          The only thing I agree is that the incorporation of Ukraine and Belarus into the Russian Federation under the current government is indeed impossible, however, the coming to power of a truly national-minded elite is just a matter of time. And then - we'll take a look.

          Shaw about people "then your opinion is not interesting to me from the word" absolutely ".

          Fu Professor, why so rude? Believe me, it doesn't paint you. You are sharing the experience of Israel, which we residents of the Russian Federation are also up to the same place. So why are you denying me a similar one?
        5. Professor
          Professor April 8 2021 07: 13
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          Quote: Dante
          Although the USSR ceased to exist, the people who lived in it, who remember it, have not gone anywhere.

          How I love fairy tales in the morning ... You forgot to tell in your fairy tale that when the USSR was falling apart, none of its citizens, including you, came to its defense. None of the 350.

          Quote: Dante
          I will answer: there could be no government in exile a priori, because the government itself (more precisely, representatives of the executive authorities of the republics) carried out the deconstruction of the country to please its predatory interests (and let's not forget, with the direct support of Tel Aviv and Washington). While the powers of those persons who participated in the Belovezhskaya conspiracy were simply not to make such decisions, they acted against the will of the citizens of the USSR, and therefore, according to the legislation in force for 1991, they are state criminals, as a result, the decisions they made , illegal and criminal. I understand that when it comes to gesheft, Themis shyly turns her head away, but we seem to be trying to play legality, so let's be consistent to the end.

          Again. The referendum was not binding. It was not attributed to the referendum in the constitution of the USSR, and therefore referring to it is like referring to the referendum in Crimea. There is no legal force.

          Quote: Dante
          Prof, just don't tell this to the Western Ukrainians about the fact that they are the legal successors of the USSR, otherwise, I'm afraid your stay in this world will end much earlier than the time allotted to you.
          Agreements on the division of property of the USSR between the newly formed countries are just a division of spheres of influence between organized criminal groups, nothing more. They carry no sacred meaning.
          The only country that in official documents proclaimed itself the legal successor of the USSR is the Russian Federation (Article 67.1 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation). Here, nevertheless, we must pay tribute to the representatives of the Russian pro-government organized criminal group of those years (or rather the people that they were advised), which turned out to be more far-sighted than others and left for itself a very convenient legal gate in case the other "respected partners" want to change the rules of the game. And this colitis has been preserved even in the amended Constitution. Yes, of course, you can point out to me the existence of a clause "on your territory", but it is easy to remove it during literally one extraordinary session of the Constitutional Court - there would be political will for that.

          The USSR has 15 legal successors. The right to the territory, natural resources, airspace of each of the 15 republics, respectively, and the Russian Federation signed bilateral agreements with most of them on the division of USSR property abroad and USSR debts. These rights are confirmed by the UN.
          In the constitution, you can write that the earth is flat and 2x2 = 5. It will not change anything. By the way, why was it written down in the constitution only now, 30 years after the demise of the USSR? There was no successor for 30 years? wink

          Quote: Dante
          Well, yes, and the UN itself is an example of objectivity and impartiality.

          Leave the UN and the UN Security Council. What is the problem?
        6. Dante Alighieri
          Dante Alighieri April 8 2021 11: 29
          +1
          You forgot to tell in your fairy tale that when the USSR was falling apart, none of its citizens, including you, came to its defense

          I have a reinforced concrete alibi: at the time of the collapse of my country, and for me my Motherland is precisely the USSR, I was not yet born.

          As for the amorphousness of Soviet citizens, who, according to you, refused to defend the Soviet system, then it seems to me that the point is not that the system allegedly brought up lack of initiative for many decades. This is not so, to put it mildly, because if it had been different, no Yeltsin would have appeared and would not have carried away significant masses of the people.

          The point is different: a Soviet person was not used to getting involved in a showdown with those in power, and this is how everything that happened was perceived by the overwhelming majority. In support of this, I will cite an episode from my own memory: 93 or 94 years old, I am little playing on the carpet, at this time an announcer appears on TV, who broadcasts something about Yeltsin and casually calls him the first president of Russia. I, whom my grandmother had already begun to introduce to books, am perplexed how so. After all, my grandmother told me directly that the bald uncle in the ABC book is Lenin - our first and most important leader. He lived, is alive and will live. As a result, after the words of the announcer, a not childish question is formed in the mind of a 3-year-old child: who then is Yeltsin and why is he the first, after all, the first is Lenin, and then, according to the grandmother, there was also Stalin, who was fighting the Germans, the very which grandfather does not like to remember, although he allows me to play with his awards. So why is Yeltsin first? It is with this question that I approach my mother. After listening to me, she falls into a stupor, turns to her father in search of support, and asks the question that I still remember: "But really why?" To which he just curled his lips with pain and hissed: "Why are you Love, there is no more Union." Someone will reasonably note that a woman, and even on demolitions, does not really care about some kind of politics, but I draw your attention: it happened much later than the events of 91, my mother even went back to work, having been on maternity leave for only a year, yes and she worked at the city CHP not in the last position and was never a fool. And all the same, she did not understand the scale of the catastrophe that had occurred, perceiving all the perturbations as the struggle of individual personalities for the Kremlin seat. I don't think she was alone in this.

          Again. The referendum was not binding.

          Prof, you please decide. Then you write that
          In the constitution, you can write that the earth is flat and 2x2 = 5. It will not change anything.
          ,
          then you claim that
          It was not attributed to the referendum in the constitution of the USSR, and therefore referring to it is like referring to the referendum in Crimea. There is no legal force.

          So the law should have a written embodiment or should not, and if so, can it be ignored?

          By the way, let me remind you that the UN, so venerated by you, recognizes the unconditional right of peoples to self-determination, one of the forms of which is, incl. referendum. So what is the problem of extending this rule to Soviet practice, which is not reflected in domestic legislative acts, but is consistent with international ones? Or are you ready to recognize the results of such procedures only if it is directly beneficial to you? In essence, we citizens of the Russian Federation do not in the least doubt the existence of double standards in relation to us, but one cannot demonstrate their presence so primitively.

          By the way, why was it written down in the constitution only now, 30 years after the demise of the USSR? There was no successor for 30 years?

          Why only now? This point has been there all the time since the adoption of the Constitution in 1993. You just do not know the Russian laws and regulations. I wrote above about the fact that even in the updated Constitution this paragraph was retained.

          Leave the UN and the UN Security Council. What is the problem?

          Maybe worth it. In the end, the light did not converge like a wedge on the UN alone. There are many other global and regional international associations. But can you imagine what a naughty thing will be if one of the founding countries of this organization publicly refuses to stay in it? Even taking into account the current not very weighty position of Russia, this will become an indicative moment for many actors in the international political process, and especially for developing countries. Yes, of course, in the short term we risk turning into renegades condemned by the progressive public, but we will win in long-term planning, because without Russia the UN is doomed to repeat the fate of the League of Nations. Whether you like it or not.
        7. Professor
          Professor April 8 2021 14: 55
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          Quote: Dante
          I have a reinforced concrete alibi: at the time of the collapse of my country, and for me my Motherland is precisely the USSR, I was not yet born.

          Weak excuse laughing ... What about the remaining 350 Soviet citizens? Why did not one of them come to the defense of the scoop? All 000 million were amorphous?

          Quote: Dante
          So the law should have a written embodiment or should not, and if so, can it be ignored?

          The referendum was not spelled out in the constitution of the USSR, and therefore, even formally, it had no force.

          Quote: Dante
          By the way, let me remind you that the UN, so venerated by you, recognizes the unconditional right of peoples to self-determination, one of the forms of which is, incl. referendum. So what is the problem of extending this rule to Soviet practice, which is not reflected in domestic legislative acts, but is consistent with international ones? Or are you ready to recognize the results of such procedures only if it is directly beneficial to you? In essence, we citizens of the Russian Federation do not in the least doubt the existence of double standards in relation to us, but one cannot demonstrate their presence so primitively.

          By the way, let me remind you that the UN, which I so fervently revered, recognizes the unconditional fundamental right of the territorial integrity of the country.
          If I were you, I would be silent about double standards, otherwise it is possible to discuss the right to self-determination of the Chechen people or an article of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation that contradicts the nation's right to self-determination.

          Quote: Dante
          Why only now? This point has been there all the time since the adoption of the Constitution in 1993. You just do not know the Russian laws and regulations. I wrote above about the fact that even in the updated Constitution this paragraph was retained.

          The Russian constitution is not a specialty. It's true. Thanks for the article. Liked
          The Russian Federation, united by a thousand-year history, preserving the memory of ancestors who passed on to us ideals and faith in God, as well as continuity in the development of the Russian state, recognizes the historically established state unity.
          despite the fact that Article 14 tells that the Russian Federation is a secular state. good

          For some reason, I did not find in the Constitution of the Russian Federation of 1993 an article stating that the Russian Federation is the legal successor of the USSR. What is the article number?

          Quote: Dante
          Maybe worth it. In the end, the light did not come together like a wedge on the UN alone. There are many other global and regional international associations. But can you imagine what a naughty thing will be if one of the founding countries of this organization publicly refuses to stay in it?

          The Russian Federation is not one of the founding countries of this organization. The Russian Federation then existed only in the minds of ardent anti-Sovietists.
          There will be no nix.
  • Avior
    Avior April 6 2021 20: 07
    +1
    Do Russians need Russia?


    The answer to this question has been known for a long time. There is not a single law that would give Russians any advantages in obtaining Russian citizenship or even a residence permit.
    All on a common basis.
  • Olfred
    Olfred April 6 2021 22: 44
    +2
    Do Russians need Russia?

    Unfortunately, they are so far being successfully replaced by migrants of all sorts ... IMHO, I am for joining hi
  • Holuay T.O
    Holuay T.O April 6 2021 18: 12
    +2
    In 14 year it was necessary to send troops there
    1. Uran53
      Uran53 April 6 2021 18: 29
      -3
      When the referendum on independence was held in the LPNR, the question of joining the Russian Federation was not even raised. And who would the Russian troops be then? Invaders? It was later that Dombass realized that he had prepared for them ukroreyh. And then they wanted to be independent.
      1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT April 6 2021 18: 38
        -3
        Quote: Uran53
        When the referendum on independence was held in the LPNR, the question of joining the Russian Federation was not even raised. And who would the Russian troops be then? Invaders? It was later that Dombass realized that he had prepared for them ukroreyh. And then they wanted to be independent.

        Come on, what was the question then? Or did they sleep and see how they will be bombed for 7 years ?!
      2. New Year day
        New Year day April 6 2021 18: 45
        +3
        Quote: Uran53
        When the referendum on independence was held in the LPNR, the question of joining the Russian Federation was not even raised.

        It was just standing, but someone Putin recommended that this issue be removed from the vote
        1. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft April 6 2021 19: 56
          -1
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: Uran53
          When the referendum on independence was held in the LPNR, the question of joining the Russian Federation was not even raised.

          It was just standing, but someone Putin recommended that this issue be removed from the vote

          Did Putin tell you this?
          1. New Year day
            New Year day April 6 2021 20: 04
            -4
            Quote: Lara Croft
            Did Putin tell you this?

            We read newspapers request
            1. 113262a
              113262a April 6 2021 20: 21
              +2
              This is said by the man who guarded the district polling station.
            2. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft April 6 2021 20: 35
              0
              Quote: Silvestr
              We read newspapers request

              The number of the filing of the newspaper can be found where Putin is
              recommended to remove this issue from the vote
              1. New Year day
                New Year day April 6 2021 21: 05
                -2
                Quote: Lara Croft
                The number of the filing of the newspaper can be found where Putin is

                Below is Putin's direct speech
        2. lopvlad
          lopvlad April 6 2021 19: 59
          +3
          Quote: Silvestr
          only one Putin recommended that this issue be removed from the vote


          razvodite again misinformation.Iz Russia recommended the emerging republics to postpone the referendum for the time being, and there were no recommendations regarding the issues that are submitted to the referendum.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day April 6 2021 20: 16
            -5
            Quote: lopvlad
            again spread misinformation. Russia recommended the emerging republics to postpone the referendum for now

            And if you quote Putin verbatim? - "The most important thing is to establish a direct dialogue between the current Kiev authorities and representatives of the South-East of Ukraine" and only then - "to postpone the referendum to create conditions for dialogue"
            And the question was: "Do you support the act of state independence of the Donetsk Republic?"
            Do you think this republic could live independently or was it the same transitional maneuver as in the Crimea?
            1. lopvlad
              lopvlad April 6 2021 20: 57
              +1
              Quote: Silvestr
              Do you think this republic could live independently or was it the same transitional maneuver as in the Crimea?


              at the referendum in Crimea, the question was posed clearly in the ballot
              You are for the reunification of Crimea with Russia as a subject of the Russian Federation
              and does not imply double interpretation.

              in the LDNR in the bulletin, the question was also posed clearly
              Do you support the Act on State Independence of the Donetsk People's Republic
              и
              Do you support the Act on State Independence of the Lugansk People's Republic
              and also does not imply double interpretation.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day April 6 2021 21: 19
                -6
                Quote: lopvlad
                and also does not imply double interpretation.

                Just remember one more question at the Crimean referendum.
                Then, there was no Crimea, there was the Autonomous Republic of Crimea with its own governing bodies and a constitution. The issue of the Crimean referendum was constantly changing, as a variant it sounded "an independent republic". By the way, you are aware that the Ukrainian admiral, who went over to the side of the Russian Federation, gave the first oath to the Crimea! There was an object that was sworn to. Did Lugansk and Donetsk have similar structures?
            2. lopvlad
              lopvlad April 6 2021 20: 59
              +3
              Quote: Silvestr
              And if you quote Putin verbatim?

              so where in the citation of Putin it is said that
              Quote: Silvestr
              Putin recommended to remove this issue from the vote
            3. Lara Croft
              Lara Croft April 6 2021 21: 22
              +3
              Quote: Silvestr
              And if you quote Putin verbatim? - "The most important thing is to establish a direct dialogue between the current Kiev authorities and representatives of the South-East of Ukraine" and only then - "to postpone the referendum to create conditions for dialogue"

              Can I link?
        3. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx April 6 2021 20: 14
          +3
          Quote: Silvestr
          It was just standing, but someone Putin recommended that this issue be removed from the vote

          I don’t know who recommended what, but who didn’t want to accept whom immediately after Crimea - it’s obvious:
          On May 12, 2014, in an interview with the Kommersant newspaper, the press secretary of the Russian president, Dmitry Peskov, said that Vladimir Putin would voice his attitude to the past referendums after their official results became known. Then the press service of the president said that “in Moscow, they respect the expression of the will of the population of Donetsk and Lugansk regions and proceed from the fact that the practical implementation of the results of the referendums will take place in a civilized way, without any recurrence of violence, through a dialogue between representatives of Kiev, Donetsk and Lugansk... In the interests of establishing such a dialogue, any mediation efforts, including through the OSCE, are welcome. "

          It was said correctly above:
          Quote: Artavazdych
          Does Russia need Russians? We'll see soon ...

          ==========
          Practically, the entire Russian-speaking population is the Russian world. And it is impossible to dismiss him as from annoying flies. One should not just delay with issues that should be resolved radically. Especially because of the mercantile interests. Most of the population of the Russian Federation does not live so richly so as not to share it with the brothers. The belts on the belly of 190 "those who do not suffer from modesty and moderation in consumption" are not so tightened so as not to add 000-25% of their income (that is, unpaid salaries and not invested in fixed assets of enterprises) for the development of the "reunited".
          1. lopvlad
            lopvlad April 6 2021 21: 05
            -1
            Quote: ROSS 42
            I don’t know who recommended what, but who didn’t want to accept whom immediately after Crimea - it’s obvious:


            and that the question of joining Russia was brought up to referendums in the LPNR, as it was in the Crimea? ...
      3. Holuay T.O
        Holuay T.O April 6 2021 19: 46
        -5
        Then it would be easier
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter April 6 2021 19: 12
      +5
      Quote: Holuay T.O.
      In 14 year it was necessary to send troops there

      And you want to say that the boilers in 2014 were organized by the miners of Donbass? And near Mariupol, did not the militias take it? At that time, the entire outskirts were lying in the same form as the Crimea, moreover, the entire southeast from Kharkov to Odessa was running with Russian flags! NEW RUSSIA !!!
      And then a certain Swiss gentleman came to one of the brows with a suitcase and everything immediately went wrong.
      1. Holuay T.O
        Holuay T.O April 6 2021 20: 03
        -4
        That's when it was necessary to enter Kiev, and use the Air Force, it's a pity, they didn't have enough spirit, they screwed up and all the same received sanctions for the most unwilling
        We need to repay debts and take Kiev
        1. Alex Nevs
          Alex Nevs April 6 2021 20: 40
          -4
          How is Nat Yugoslavia? Nooo .... this was what the rainbow was waiting for. And now time is working for us. Skekel accumulates more and more. There they are already zombifying about the pro-neuropean sex change ... several times ... Rainbow is not this for you!
      2. lopvlad
        lopvlad April 6 2021 20: 05
        0
        Quote: Stroporez
        Do you want to say that the boilers in 2014 were organized by the miners of Donbass?


        and you want to say that they were organized by the Russian army whose photographs in the Donbass and satellite images have not been provided for 7 years?
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      3. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx April 6 2021 20: 17
        0
        Quote: Stroporez
        And then a certain Swiss gentleman came to one of the brows with a suitcase and everything immediately went wrong.

        OSCE Chairman, President of Switzerland Didier Bra Burkhalter called the vote "illegal" ...
        1. Alex Nevs
          Alex Nevs April 6 2021 20: 42
          -1
          Yes, a bolt with a left-hand thread on some rainbow with an inverted worldview. The more unconventional hemorrhoids are disturbed, the more the worldview is turned upside down. Result White is already Black.
  • Basarev
    Basarev April 6 2021 18: 21
    +12
    But in reality-the Kremlin is only looking for how to push the Donbass as quickly as possible. Only the incessant media hype gets in the way.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter April 6 2021 18: 36
      0
      Quote: Basarev
      But in reality-the Kremlin is only looking for how to push the Donbass as quickly as possible. Only the incessant media hype gets in the way.

      Thank you, you absolutely accurately stated the consonant thought, with one caveat that in fact Donbass was simply thrown and "played" as necessary for the media to support the morale of turboputriots. No one will fight on a large scale, but if you please, imitate violent activity.
      1. lopvlad
        lopvlad April 6 2021 20: 35
        +1
        Quote: Stroporez
        "play it" as necessary for the media to support the morale of turboputriots. No one will fight on a large scale, but if you please, imitate violent activity.


        when they play their citizenship en masse do not give out. Here the United States with Ukraine play to the fullest.
        1. Mikle2000
          Mikle2000 April 6 2021 20: 46
          -2
          Russian citizenship does not oblige Russia to anything. A citizen has responsibilities, but no rights. It will be necessary - they will leave without batting an eye.
          1. lopvlad
            lopvlad April 6 2021 21: 50
            0
            Quote: Mikle2000
            Yes, Russian citizenship does not oblige Russia to anything


            Russian citizenship obliges Russia to protect its citizen.
            1. Mikle2000
              Mikle2000 April 8 2021 00: 14
              -2
              gives Russia the right to defend if it needs it for some reason.
              But nothing prevents and does not protect. And frankly throw it like in the same Turkmenistan
    2. qQQQ
      qQQQ April 6 2021 18: 52
      +8
      Quote: Basarev
      But in reality-the Kremlin is only looking for how to push the Donbass as quickly as possible. Only the incessant media hype gets in the way.

      If they wanted to, they would have pushed them away. Another question about the role of Donbass in the merrymaking of the mighty of this world, here options are possible. And in my opinion, the majority may not like them, under capitalism ideology (Russian World, democracy, Ukrainians, etc.) does not mean anything if it does not help to make a profit.
    3. lopvlad
      lopvlad April 6 2021 20: 12
      +1
      Quote: Basarev
      the Kremlin is just looking for a better way to shove Donbass


      For a long time, the Kremlin has not been looking for anything, as they understand an attempt to push the Donbass away will be the beginning of the collapse and elimination of Russia. If in 2014 they were still afraid of Western sanctions, now there is no such fear.
    4. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 6 2021 20: 21
      -2
      Quote: Basarev
      But in fact, the Kremlin is only looking for how to push the Donbass as quickly as possible.

      Shove Donbass? Nice man! This pension turmoil, these increases in tariffs and taxes for their own population have already borne fruit in the form of a decrease in the population of the Russian Federation by 500 ...
      It seems that some people are knocking with hammers on the fingers clinging to the edge of the abyss.
  • New Year day
    New Year day April 6 2021 18: 27
    -5
    Everything to the point and even a little smoothed out
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart April 6 2021 18: 29
    +12
    The reasoning does not make much sense because the GDP said that we do not plan to accept the LPNR into the Russian Federation. Usually Herr Captain speaks vaguely, but here he said quite specifically, there is nowhere more specifically. Probably it was a message directed mostly to the west and to a lesser extent to the leadership of the LPNR.
    For the West, the message is generally clear - "Uzbek" aimed at starting a dialogue on the lifting of sanctions and the recognition of Crimea. For the LDNR, the message carries a slightly different and deeper meaning.
    By themselves, the territories of the unrecognized republics apparently are not of particular interest to us - in the form in which they are now. In a full-fledged form, they might have been interested, but as they say, time wasted, and the original plan apparently did not provide for such depth.
    The population is also probably not of particular interest to us, because in all honesty these are not very rich territories inhabited by people who will be a heavy burden on the budget of the Russian Federation, there will be another unprofitable and depressed region. No offense, while I am observing this and, given the very effective sanctions blockade of Crimea, it will probably also be there. Consequently, even medium-term prospects for the region to reach self-sufficiency are not expected.
    Some of the population of these regions might be of interest to us, in the capacity of guest workers, who can subsequently take root here, take a mortgage, etc. As a rule, this refers to young, capable, healthy, or at least able to bring some kind of funds and "skill".
    But again, they will not try to lure these people too much, believing that they themselves will get over.

    Even as a moderate optimist, I do not see the "light at the end of the tunnel" regarding the issue of the unrecognized republics. Potentially, yes, we could take them and digest them (but, of course, it was necessary to do this the day before yesterday and entirely), but not potentially - we live in a capital state quite consistently squeezing out any social sphere and privileges of the titular nation - so no, this, of course, will not happen.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter April 6 2021 18: 44
      -4
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart

      Knell Wardenheart (Knell)

      Excellent comment of the day! +100500 hi drinks
    2. New Year day
      New Year day April 6 2021 18: 58
      -8
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      I do not see the "light at the end of the tunnel" regarding the issue of the unrecognized republics

      And it, the light, can not be. The positions of the parties are mutually exclusive.
      Under no circumstances will the Ukrainian government agree to the implementation of the Minsk agreements, since in this case the state of Ukraine in the understanding of today's politicians will disappear. This is their instinct for self-preservation. It is not realistic to sell them, especially with the arrival of Biden.
      It is impossible to accept the LDNR as a part of the Russian Federation because it means a redrawing of borders in Europe. Not a single European country, let alone the United States, can afford it. There will be a retaliatory blow and a blow will be both at the bourgeoisie and at the country as a whole. An unstable situation will arise with unobvious results
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart April 6 2021 19: 12
        +2
        That is why I am very sorry for the inhabitants of these republics, and I am sorry for those who wear pink glasses and think that we will not give up and that it will “resolve”. Life now revolves around "$$$" and "! ..!,"
        Grandma, show-off, show-off, grandmother. There is no show-off or attendants from this adventure in case of attempts to solve it now, and therefore it will not be solved, everything will be as it is. Purely hypothetically, it would be interesting for us to arrange a spectacular beating of the APU on "almost neutral" (as far as I understand), but the inability to take advantage of this beating in order to resolve political issues and the inability to "finally resolve the issue" without losses and unpredictable sanctions - they make a clean move that does not carry benefits to us.
        Therefore, while we are pouting like a sea urchin and making a scary and very scary face, in the hope that the situation will calm down and by itself, the NDP 2.0 will somehow be organized, which will not bother us much, and we, in turn, will add something in the trough sometimes.
        This is how I see this situation ..
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 6 2021 19: 17
          -4
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          That's why I am very sorry for the inhabitants of these republics, and

          Insanely sorry for both the living and the dead! They were made hostages of a situation from which there is no way out. They have become a bargaining chip, alas. One thing is clear that if the Kremlin abandons them, it will receive the most aggressive population towards itself.
          1. lopvlad
            lopvlad April 6 2021 20: 31
            0
            Quote: Silvestr
            Insanely sorry for both the living and the dead!


            so write those who never feel sorry for anyone but yourself. Stop being hypocritical because you support those politicians or pseudo politicians who originally proposed to surrender Donbass in 2014.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day April 6 2021 20: 51
              -7
              Quote: lopvlad
              Stop being hypocritical because you support those politicians or pseudo politicians who initially proposed to surrender Donbass in 2014

              Give examples for your passage, CIA and SBU agent. Then we'll talk if you prove your opus
          2. Ross xnumx
            Ross xnumx April 6 2021 20: 42
            +2
            Quote: Silvestr
            One thing is clearthat if the Kremlin abandons them, it will receive the most aggressive population towards itself.

            And to me, imagine, it is not clear. It turns out that in 1941 it was necessary to leave the besieged Leningrad for the pleasure of Adolf Aloisovich? You look, maybe after 1952 in Baskov Lane the boy Volodya did not run along the cobblestones and “did not immediately understand and accept the laws of the courtyard world” ...
            And if the Kremlin leaves the population of these republics to be devoured by the nationalists, then in the foreseeable future the attitude of people towards those “Kremlin figures” may change for the worse.
            There is no need to be afraid that it will get worse (Who, when, where ??? In Russia with a huge energy, resource, food potential?). We must be afraid that it will not get better. We have already acquired a partial shame in the form of a mockery of the memory of the Soviet soldier who liberated Europe; we accepted the persecution for the expression of the will of the Crimean people; we agreed to remove state paraphernalia for the sake of ghostly sporting achievements; we have doubts about the manifestation of independence in military operations, as authorized representatives from the power of the president of the desecrated country (Syria); they continue to frighten us with missiles from Poland, naval exercises in the Black and Baltic Seas, in the air; we are almost shone with bare backs on the border of the Kaliningrad region ...
            And now we "will be obliged" to obey the old man (Biden) who can barely keep his feet?
            Ugh ...
            1. New Year day
              New Year day April 6 2021 20: 59
              -4
              Quote: ROSS 42
              And now we "will be obliged" to obey the old man (Biden) who can barely keep his feet?

              Biden is a talking head. Behind him are forces aimed at war. Now the authorities are faced with a dilemma: whether to take the LDNR and get an economic and political war, or not to take it, but get an explosion of discontent within the country and an increased appetite for Ukraine. Without a doubt, after their luck in Donbass, they will move to Crimea. The opportunity that was lost in the 14th year. It was lost after the arrival of Burkhvlter. What has changed globally? Choosing between the arrests of the accounts of my entourage and the Donbass, I do not know what the authorities will choose. But the problems of the population have long cared for them. How does the population of the LPNR differ from the population of Russia in such a way?
              1. lopvlad
                lopvlad April 6 2021 21: 54
                +1
                Quote: Silvestr
                Choosing between the arrests of the accounts of my entourage and the Donbass, I do not know what the authorities will choose.


                Do you seriously believe that someone close to the authorities in the Kremlin keeps their loot in Western banks after 7 years of sanctions? here even Deribaska has cleaned everything out from his western accounts.
                You believe so much in fairy tales.
          3. Mikle2000
            Mikle2000 April 6 2021 20: 49
            -3
            Why is there no way out. 40 percent of the population found this way out. We got up and left. And there is another way out, yes, no, just run out of this, God forgive me cloaca strange place.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day April 6 2021 21: 01
              -8
              Quote: Mikle2000
              40 percent of the population found this way out.

              To be honest, I think that the authorities are counting on this. Therefore, the passports were handed out
        2. lopvlad
          lopvlad April 6 2021 20: 26
          +3
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          This is how I see this situation ..


          political myopia is evident.
          1. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart April 6 2021 20: 38
            0
            Okay, then explain to me, politically short-sighted, what are we waiting for in the situation with Donbass? Why didn't we take him in 2014, 2015, having Yanuca on hand? Why didn't we take him after the referendum? Why did we not initiate a popular plebescite on the annexation of these territories as an exacerbation of the West? Why does our government not promote the organization of a single state from the LPR as a future subject of such an annexation? How do you think this whole situation, which has been going on for 7 years, will be resolved?
            1. lopvlad
              lopvlad April 6 2021 21: 38
              -2
              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              what are we waiting for in the situation with Donbass?


              the fruit should ripen, and this applies neither to the Donbass and Ukraine. And no matter what anyone says, the Kremlin does not want to unleash a fratricidal war between Russia and Ukraine.
              If this happens then as a response to Kiev's attempts to arrange genocide in the Donbass.

              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              Why didn't we take him in 2014, 2015, having Yanuca in our arms


              because in the Kremlin initially no one was going to and did not plan to take or annex Donbass or any other territory of Ukraine except for Crimea. And Crimea, no matter how it looked a little cynical, Russia was forced to return to its structure due to a coup d'etat in Kiev, in as a result of which there was a threat to Russian sovereignty from the future deployment of NATO infrastructure in Crimea.
              Yanukovych, on the other hand, became a won back card when Russia recognized the presidential elections in Ukraine in which Poroshenko was elected.

              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              Why didn't we take him after the referendum?


              and the question of joining the republics to Russia was raised at the referendum in the LPR?

              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              Why did we not initiate a popular plebescite on the annexation of these territories as an exacerbation of the West?


              Russia has been declaring and declaring since 2014 that it recognizes the territorial integrity of Ukraine (except for Crimea) and we have never moved away from this.

              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              Why does our government not promote the organization of a single state from the LPR as a future subject of such an annexation?


              what for ? that there are two republics that one difference is not present. As part of Russia, there are enough republics with a much smaller population than the LPR or DPR.


              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              How do you think this whole situation, which has been going on for 7 years, will be resolved?


              At this stage, everything depends on the actions of Kiev. If it will act softly, then the LDNR will become part of Russia within the borders of their regions, and in the case of tough actions by Kiev, both the whole of Novorossia and the whole of Central Ukraine can become part of Russia.
              The fact that Ukraine hopes to resolve the Donbass issue by force this spring is in fact a fact.
              1. New Year day
                New Year day April 7 2021 01: 10
                -5
                Quote: lopvlad
                the fruit should ripen, and this applies neither to the Donbass and Ukraine.

                And you are a cynic! For the sake of ghostly Ukraine, women, children are being killed and you don't care! You are waiting for the fruit to ripen on human blood and death.
                Quote: lopvlad
                Stop being hypocritical

                SBU agent
          2. New Year day
            New Year day April 6 2021 21: 02
            -6
            Quote: lopvlad
            political myopia is evident.

            Maybe farsightedness? Worse when color blindness and astigmatism
      2. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft April 6 2021 20: 08
        +3
        Quote: Silvestr
        It is impossible to accept the LDNR as a part of the Russian Federation because it means a redrawing of borders in Europe. Not a single European country, let alone the United States, can afford it.

        Since the EU and the US recognized Kosovo, the redrawing of the borders of post-war Europe is a fait accompli ....
        There will be a retaliatory blow and a blow will be both at the bourgeoisie and at the country as a whole.

        This answer will be anyway, even if the Russian Federation gives the Krasnodar Territory and the Voronezh Region ... to Ukraine ...
        Do not entertain yourself with illusions ....
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 6 2021 20: 19
          -11%
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Do not entertain yourself with illusions ....

          I do not suffer, unlike you. But I recommend thinking and analyzing. By the way, where did the sanctions begin?
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft April 6 2021 21: 08
            +2
            Quote: Silvestr
            But I recommend thinking and analyzing.

            Unconfirmed self-confidence does not lead to good ...
            By the way, where did the sanctions begin?

            There were no sanctions from the United States against the Russian Federation for exactly 15 minutes.
            The Jackson-Vanik Amendment (1974 amendment to the US Trade Act (1974) restricting trade with countries that prevent emigration, as well as violate other human rights) directed against the USSR, and then the Russian Federation, was canceled by the United States, and after 15 minutes, it was new sanctions were adopted under the Magnitsky Act ....
            So analyze for yourself when the first sanctions against the Russian Federation were introduced.
            1. New Year day
              New Year day April 6 2021 21: 10
              -10%
              Quote: Lara Croft
              new sanctions were adopted under the Magnitsky Act

              And how it affected the country's economy! ”“ Nothing!
              So did the broom with Jackson. Sanctions began in the 14th year
    3. lopvlad
      lopvlad April 6 2021 20: 17
      +2
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      GDP said that we do not plan to accept the LDNR into the Russian Federation


      about the Crimea, he did not spread at all, but simply took it silently and pledged it. This is a policy and in it they think of reality, when this reality comes, they do the necessary actions.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart April 6 2021 20: 33
        -5
        Well, ok, let's say we start to believe in a miracle. When and how can this happen? By 2024 as another patriotic card game? As a watershed measure of last resort in the event of sanctions? In the event of an attempt by Ukraine to implement a force scenario, which will be quickly and categorically broken off?
        The first 2 options are unhurried and that's putting it mildly, and I don't even know which one is more fantastic. The third option implies the participation of our country in large-scale hostilities that will unambiguously separate our paths with Ukraine - not even the "Bandera" one. Plus, it is worthwhile to understand that this whole situation will undoubtedly be used in order to form an unambiguously anti-Russian position of the EU - while this is far away and resources are being bought from us. After - I don't think they will buy.
        No, of course, miracles happen, but specifically in this matter, we had to do the "miracle" ourselves in 2014-2015, now the train has left and we have bad, very bad and insanely bad options.
        1. lopvlad
          lopvlad April 7 2021 08: 34
          -1
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          The third option implies the participation of our country in large-scale hostilities that will unambiguously separate our paths with Ukraine - not even the "Bandera" one.


          with Bandera and others who jumped and jumped shouting "Muscovites on knives" I do not need one path, and those who consider themselves to be in the Russian world will be with us.
          After receiving independence, Ukraine initially and specifically avoided the paths along which it was possible to go with Russia and built a state not Ukraine but Anti-Russia.

          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          Plus, it is worthwhile to understand that this whole situation will undoubtedly be used in order to form an unambiguously anti-Russian position of the EU - while this is far away and resources are being bought from us. After - I don't think they will buy.


          EU authorities buy resources not because they love and respect Russia, but because our resources are cheaper for them than from other suppliers. You can look at Ukraine, which, after the coup, buys oil and fuel from Russia, while fiercely hating Russia and refueling the tanks with the help of which it wants destroy us.

          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          but specifically in this matter, we had to do the "miracle" ourselves in 2014-2015


          in 2014, no miracle would have happened, but a failure would have happened, as a result of which Russia would have lost its last military base in Syria, after which no country in the world would have provided territory for the deployment of our base.
    4. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 April 7 2021 06: 32
      -1
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      .... Even as a moderate optimist, I do not see "the light at the end of the tunnel" regarding the issue of the unrecognized republics. Potentially, yes, we could take them and digest them (but, of course, it was necessary to do this the day before yesterday and entirely), but not potentially - we live in a capital state quite consistently squeezing out any social sphere and privileges of the titular nation - so no, this, of course, will not happen.


      You wrote everything correctly, but there are factors that are not obvious, but they are ... and it is they that can move the situation off the ground. For example, full-scale hostilities by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, i.e. if such an order is given to take the Donbass by force, then Russia cannot but intervene, due to a number of very many reasons ... which lie in the field of security, ideology and the future of the Russian state itself, and here at the forefront are questions, not economics, but survival. ... and as the history of Crimea shows, we are capable of decisive action if there is a threat. those. if the offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces resumes in the LPNR, then the RF Armed Forces will have to be brought in and after such a step, it will not be possible to turn back, and say ... we saved you and then we ourselves) + there is a problem of the current regime in Ukraine, which poses a threat to our state (ideology is anti-Russian training of militants - the purpose of which is the regions of the Russian Federation (there are already precedents), rapprochement with NATO, etc.) and if this problem is not resolved, then the consequences will be very sad ...
  • fa2998
    fa2998 April 6 2021 18: 35
    +5
    Russia has its own "Russian Donbass". A dozen cities, a sea of ​​settlements, a population of about 1 million people, nobody needs us for nothing! The coal industry has been completely destroyed. New industries are crying. Even in local news, about our area do not remember.Ay, the authorities, we are still living! laughing
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter April 6 2021 18: 47
      -5
      Quote: fa2998
      Russia has its own "Russian Donbass". A dozen cities, a sea of ​​villages, a population of about 1 million people, nobody needs us for nothing!

      The whole Zamkadye lives like this, the only thing that is not bombed yet, but if they can, first by the riot police, and then by the carpet, they will not rust behind them.
    2. Lekz
      Lekz April 6 2021 19: 19
      +3
      In 2019, coal production exceeded the RSFSR record of 1988 - 425 million tons and amounted to 441,4 million tons. Destroyed industry is not weak.
      1. fa2998
        fa2998 April 7 2021 04: 37
        -2
        Well, why did you write this? There are many coal regions in Russia. Kemerovo mines, and the Donbass was destroyed. There were 10 mines, 2 concentrators, a sea of ​​supply and repair companies. Now 0. How to live!
  • Aleksandr97
    Aleksandr97 April 6 2021 18: 35
    +5
    The visible embodiment of the old man Brzezinski's ideas - the Russians are at war with the Russians - is this not a victory for the United States and the result of an investment of a measly $ 5 billion. + cookies!
    Zugzwang is the culmination of indecision in 2014.
    In any case, the ukrofascist Hitler youth will raise a generation of Slavic martyrs ready for DRO against everything Russian, whose disposal in a full-scale war with Russia is only a matter of time ...
  • Gardamir
    Gardamir April 6 2021 18: 36
    +1
    1
    For the current Russian budget, a million people, of course, are within their power. But it will be hard.
    I am not calling for the sale of oligarchs' yachts, but there is money. And if Donbass is not returned, then this Putin bomb will explode more than once.
    2 They are trying their best to drum into us that Ukraine is a foreign country and has always been like that. But this is not a 404 country, it is a part of Russia.
    On other points, I strongly agree with the author. It's time to understand that either we are a great country or we are a federal state of America. And the uncles in the Kremlin need to understand, if they sat down to play, then you can't refuse, just go ...
  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 6 2021 18: 48
    +4
    Mr. Ivanov assessed only one "scale". On the other "bowl" the generals of the "international division of production" with their children and household members have already settled down. They are threatened with a complete "Ostap Bender at the border". laughing
    1. New Year day
      New Year day April 6 2021 19: 05
      -4
      Quote: samarin1969
      generals of the "international division of production" with children and households. They face a complete "Ostap Bender on the border"

      In America, a procedure has been launched to arrest the "Russian trillion" - this is how the fortunes exported from Russia to different countries are assessed. In addition, the procedure for the inventory of real estate owned by our elite TAM has begun.
  • Alexander X
    Alexander X April 6 2021 18: 57
    +3
    If we analyze the steps of the Russian Federation in relations with the LPNR, then if it does not want to accept these republics as members of the Russian Federation, why provide support with weapons, volunteers, legitimize diplomas, etc.? And most importantly, why give out Russian passports, i.e., grant Russian citizenship? Those. a huge amount of work has been done to "russify" (maybe unsuccessfully put it) the inhabitants of the LPR. And this means (and I want to believe in it) that the armed forces of the Russian Federation will protect their citizens in the LPNR in the event of an attack on them by the Armed Forces of Ukraine. IMHO ...
    1. New Year day
      New Year day April 6 2021 19: 06
      -9
      Quote: Alexander X
      And most importantly, why give out Russian passports, i.e., grant Russian citizenship?

      Don't you get it? - For assimilation on the territory of the Russian Federation.
    2. Turist1996
      Turist1996 April 6 2021 20: 52
      -4
      Go through the forest, dear citizen of Dill (semi-vassal territory occupying the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR, in the absence of the (legal) Crimean peninsula, and the territories of Donetsk and Luhansk regions, which did not recognize the coup d'état in Kiev in 2014.)
    3. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty April 7 2021 09: 46
      +1
      Quote: Alexander X
      And this means (and I want to believe in it) that the armed forces of the Russian Federation will protect their citizens in the LPNR in the event of an attack on them by the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

      Are you sure what "this means"? I do not see an unambiguous logical connection here. And from the point of view of oligarchs and politicians, all these passports and diplomas can be viewed as labor resources that can be used on the territory of the Russian Federation, and it is not at all necessary to fight for it.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 6 2021 19: 06
    +1
    If as it is
    What is there now?
    What happens if you leave it as it is?
    And if we do not leave it as it is, it will be worse for us, for example?
  • vavilon
    vavilon April 6 2021 19: 09
    +2
    What do you mean do you need?
  • Alevil
    Alevil April 6 2021 19: 13
    +5
    Donbass Russia needs. There are Russian people there.
    1. Turist1996
      Turist1996 April 6 2021 20: 45
      -4
      We need everyone who thinks in Russian! And in Ukraine, and in Kazakhstan, in the Baltic States, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Belarus! Canada, Australia, New Zealand - everywhere!
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus April 6 2021 19: 21
    +4
    Considering that the shooting of Donbass has been going on since 2014, the question is mocking.
    Moreover, it is self-evident.
    For of Russia Donbass is needed.
    For the current political regime in the Russian Federation (which is directly hostile to the interests of Russia and its people) Donbass is not needed. Otherwise, they would not have worked out the Minsk agreements and would not have spoken about their lack of alternatives.
    Let me remind you that according to these agreements, there are no "republics of Donbass" in nature, there are "separate areas" of the regions of Ukraine.
  • Roman1970_1
    Roman1970_1 April 6 2021 19: 44
    -2
    These are industry and infrastructure. Damaged, of course, but not fatally, and capable of generating income.


    Why can't it now?
    unprofitable economy
  • Taoist
    Taoist April 6 2021 20: 02
    +5
    - after this I don't even see a topic for discussion. Or are we not human at all? There is already a whole alley of such angels - how many more deaths do you need to understand?
    1. New Year day
      New Year day April 7 2021 01: 18
      -7
      Quote: Taoist
      There is already a whole alley of such angels - how many more deaths do you need to understand?

      More than 100. But these are not the children of politicians, they do not care about these deaths
  • codetalker
    codetalker April 6 2021 20: 12
    0
    The main thing is lost behind these arguments: and whose whole Ukraine? Without economic cooperation and direct or indirect monetary support from Russia, this "state" cannot exist (and does not exist, money flows there like a river from Russia), the Ukrainian language cannot provide all spheres of life, you still need to use Russian somewhere, and etc., etc. This is a part of Russia, which exists at the expense of Russia, but which is opposed to Russia. We need to take all of Ukraine (not in parts, but as a whole). For this reason alone, the LPNR is not yet part of the Russian Federation. They are assigned a significant role in the return of "Ukraine" home to Russia.
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      1. codetalker
        codetalker April 6 2021 21: 53
        -1
        Let's not bother the communists) They did not invent the Central Rada, but if a state entity has appeared, then it must be treated as a subject, you cannot twist minced meat into meat ...
  • Turist1996
    Turist1996 April 6 2021 20: 23
    -1
    As far as I understand, this is an answer to the "all-consuming" Volkonsky, the reference to his libel was on VO yesterday-today.
    The answer is worthy - Volkonsky wanted to answer that way. And, also, Volkonsky turned out to be poor in terms of options for overcoming the crisis, which he himself "drew". Even from his "painted" there is at least one more way out - he simply will not like Volkonsky himself, because he is a globalist-liberal. What is his mistake.
    1. Turist1996
      Turist1996 April 6 2021 21: 18
      -1
      But what does the people of the country and Volkonsky have to do with it ?! For me - a mystery!
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 6 2021 20: 23
    +3
    Quote: Silvestr
    According to international law, this territory of Ukraine is like Karabakh-Azerbaijan

    There are other examples where laws and agreements were violated. _ Germany-East Germany, Kosovo, Yugoslavia in general. Cyprus, Libya, Syria and Iraq were also bombed and seized in violation of agreements and agreements. So the issue of recognition is ultimately a matter of strength. Whoever can keep is right.

    And there are plenty of examples of direct violations by Americans of international laws and agreements.
    1. Turist1996
      Turist1996 April 6 2021 21: 09
      0

      There are other examples where laws and agreements were violated. _ Germany-East Germany, Kosovo, Yugoslavia in general. Cyprus, Libya, Syria and Iraq were also bombed and seized in violation of agreements and agreements. So the issue of recognition is ultimately a matter of strength. Whoever can keep is right.

      And there are plenty of examples of direct violations by Americans of international laws and agreements.

      Actually, it is necessary for our UN to "shout" on this topic!
      Incl. about the violation of human rights from Iraq to Florida !! And in general - the USA: "prison of peoples"!
    2. New Year day
      New Year day April 7 2021 01: 20
      -6
      Quote: Pavel57
      So the issue of recognition is ultimately a matter of strength. Whoever can keep is right.

      I agree, but I will ask the question - is there this force?
  • Gardener91
    Gardener91 April 6 2021 20: 39
    +1
    Does Russia need Donbass? Not a question at all. "Time is a moving image of immovable eternity. Anything that violates the unity of society is worthless; all institutions that put a person in conflict with himself are worth nothing."
    • Jean-Jacques Rousseau
  • Mikle2000
    Mikle2000 April 6 2021 20: 40
    -2
    Let's raise the degree, and if we add the whole of Ukraine - what are the advantages? And add the Baltic states here? And Poland? And Finland? And Kazakhstan? Ah ... Well, you get the idea.
    1. iouris
      iouris April 6 2021 20: 44
      -3
      I did not understand: this is a provocation of what?
  • iouris
    iouris April 6 2021 20: 43
    -1
    Does the USA need Donbass?
  • Alexander Kopychev
    Alexander Kopychev April 6 2021 20: 52
    +2
    Russia does not need Donbass by itself. Russia needs Little Russia as an integral part of the Russian world and as a historical fact. Let the rest of the Westerners stick to the EU, some to Poland, some to Hungary or Romania - I don't care.
  • Petrol cutter
    Petrol cutter April 6 2021 20: 56
    -2
    Yes. There is no reason to disagree with the author.
    Moreover, such thoughts have been visiting me for several years.
    And the situation, of course ... Yes, what now ...
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  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 6 2021 21: 22
    +2
    Quote: Silvestr
    Biden is a talking head. Behind him are forces aimed at war.

    Forces aimed at saving their own well-being. And the war between Ukraine and Russia is one of the means of achieving this.
  • Lynx-z
    Lynx-z April 6 2021 21: 26
    -5
    Let's put the question differently: Does Russia need Russians?
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  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 6 2021 22: 14
    +1
    Needed, not needed, but the Kremlin needed a buffer zone for 7 years.
    It is very profitable. To reap the benefits of Kiev, to draw on the reserves of angry people, to PR, to send activists to let off steam there, to have a bargaining chip, cheap coal, not to let Kiev in shale gas and so on, so on.

    If they do, they will volunteer for PR and explain everything. Will not - will explain even more.
    And all the bosses - hand to the cap and say "is" and will explain with foam how the genius outplayed everyone.
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  • Fisherman
    Fisherman April 6 2021 23: 08
    +2
    DPR and LPR, together with Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk, fed the rest of the pan-head area. They feed themselves 150%! In the event of a mess with the help of the North Wind, it will be easily thrown out of Mariupol and, most likely, the entire coast to Odessa (including) will be cleaned, cutting off the pots from the sea. Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk, with such a defeat for the Nazis, with a 95% probability of going over to a successful attacker and recalling Kuev's contempt. Then everything will roll along with the flight of the Natsiks to Poland. And, mind you - it is not Russia that is advancing, it is Ukraine that is freed from the Nazis and becomes Ukraine again!
  • Financier
    Financier April 6 2021 23: 50
    +15
    Weird question. Does Russia need Donbass? Of course you do. This is our land. Our people live there.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 7 2021 00: 27
    +2
    Quote: Turist1996
    Actually, it is necessary for our UN to "shout" on this topic!

    The UN is now an unproductive structure.
  • didra
    didra April 7 2021 01: 05
    +1
    Does Russia need Donbass?
    The answer to this question was given when Muscovy Rus began to consistently liberate the lands of the Novgorod-Seversky principality. These forest-steppe territories were lost in pre-Mongol times. The question of returning the basins of the Seversky Donets and Don rivers (and this is the Donbass) arose before Moscow at the beginning of the XNUMXth century, in connection with the constant raids of the Krymchaks and their Caucasian allies in the direction of the Azov coast, Izyumsky shlyakh, Kaluga, Moscow. It was the constant driving of people into slavery-slave trade that prompted the Moscow government to start moving towards the Azov and Black seas. The process of liberation itself dragged on until the middle of the XNUMXth century. The annexation of Crimea became the logical end of this process and an outstanding achievement of our people. It should be noted that for the entire period when the lands of Southwestern Russia were part of the Commonwealth (read were occupied) there was not a single attempt to move the notch lines south, towards Azov. Why? Yes, because for the Polish lords the life of the bystanders suffering from the raids of the Crimean detachments did not matter. This is still the case. Ukraine is a Russian land !!! And the one who opposes this is the ENEMY !!!
    1. didra
      didra April 7 2021 01: 17
      +1
      I will add. Just as in the XNUMXth century the annexation of Crimea and later the Caucasus became a point in the liberation process, so now the annexation of Crimea should be the beginning of the liberation of Ukraine.
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP April 7 2021 01: 59
    +2
    So to recognize it as independent. At least you don't have to contain.
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 April 7 2021 07: 21
    +1
    The goal is of course a noble one. But in order to resolve this issue, it is necessary to introduce law and order, and we and Ukraine in 1991 illegally seceded from the USSR, or rather, they did not quit, but dissolved the state authorities.
    This circumstance gave rise to the conditions for the current war. If someone thinks that the war will end after after the entry of the Russian army there. Alas, the front line will simply change its position and there will be a long confrontation with constant shelling of each other, where our military will die. Only a return to the lawful track will make it possible to stop this conflict and many others on the territory of the USSR. It is necessary to demand the restoration of state authorities and territory. Only this can change something.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 7 2021 07: 25
    +3
    Only, if we continue the thought (There will still be sanctions for the seizure) ... why only Donbas? And where should you stop? Why only to the Sea of ​​Azov, and not to Transnistria?
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  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 April 7 2021 07: 26
    0
    Quote: Mikle2000
    Let's raise the degree, and if we add the whole of Ukraine - what are the advantages? And add the Baltic states here? And Poland? And Finland? And Kazakhstan? Ah ... Well, you get the idea.

    Plus, there is enough territory for economic autonomy.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion April 7 2021 07: 56
    0
    There are problems with industry, it is piecemeal, it is necessary to take the whole of Novorossiya so that the whole complex is. Until that moment, the region will be unprofitable, but it will be stupidly cheaper to support it until the final solution of the Ukrainian issue, and after Crimea, only it will close all issues related to its status, than to arrange an offensive to Lviv.
  • Andobor
    Andobor April 7 2021 12: 37
    0
    Taking the Donbass means abandoning Ukraine, he suggested to Kerry Lavrov back in 14, when after the Crimea they were bargaining for days, by analogy with Georgia, - Abkhazia and South Ossetia are yours, the rest is ours, and after half a year everyone has forgotten, here is this will not work, Russia needs all of Ukraine - all without the Americans, and what will happen to the Ukrainians is their problem.
  • ALEX_SHTURMAN
    ALEX_SHTURMAN April 7 2021 15: 03
    +2
    It was necessary to include the republics back in 2015, and the whole left-bank Ukraine is a very old decision! Nothing has changed, the sanctions would have been the same, only the people were safe! And to prevent further bloodshed is possible only without waiting for the attack of the ukrofashists to send troops into the territory of the republics.
  • Mihail55
    Mihail55 April 8 2021 12: 11
    +1
    If a referendum on the annexation of Donbass were now held in Russia, despite the sanctions and even lowering their living standards, the answer would be obvious! BUT ... they are afraid, as well as the opening of the SBERA branch in the Crimea!
  • Vasily Antonov
    Vasily Antonov April 8 2021 16: 37
    +1
    Definitely needed and certainly within the boundaries of the regions. Our people live there, who have been suffering from shelling for seven years. It's time to open this abscess!
  • Antagonist
    Antagonist April 9 2021 00: 53
    0
    Does Russia need Donbass?

    Of course you do. And Donbass is needed, and Odessa, and Kharkov. Russia needs most of Ukraine. This is our historical homeland.
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus April 10 2021 15: 16
    0
    And that Donbass is not Russia, like Crimea. If the politicians and Trotskyists at one time wanted to make a state out of Ukraine, then they did not take into account the opinion of the people, as they do now. But if for them, all who do not have a million are not people, they are very mistaken and life will show it.