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"Weak Yanukovych" and "Strong Lukashenko"

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Underestimated Yanukovych



And yet Yanukovych is greatly underestimated in our country and in Ukraine. Here, after all, depending on what to compare. And in comparison with both Poroshenko and Lukashenko, it was very, very not a bad politician. Exactly this way and nothing else.

To begin with, he was not very eager to take those "IMF loans" that Alexander Grigorievich and Pyotr Alekseevich were rowing "as if not in themselves." Viktor Fedorovich was not very interested in this "gesheft", which undoubtedly testifies to a much higher level of his intelligence.

Simple as a fact. We will not discuss the pros and cons of IMF loans here. We swam, we know. The IMF is a very specific organization. So there is an unconditional and definite plus for him. Well, and finally, from the 13th year, he came out with very good cards: Ukraine was interesting to both Russia and Europe, therefore he, not making a final choice yet, could bargain. And he bargained.

Didn't give the EU money? No problem! He negotiated a $ 15 billion loan with Putin. By the way, given the importance of the moment, the decision for Russia is absolutely correct. Otherwise, for 300 years later we would have remembered that at a critical moment “you missed the opportunity to change the course stories because of some miserable 15 billion ”... So, 15 billion was not a pity, but, as it turned out, there was no opportunity to change the course of history.

It was a fake.

But in fact, Yanukovych had good cards in his hands (the environment, however, let us down). Because Ukraine. Because he asked on credit... Because after the loan, he automatically offered certain agreements with Russia. But it didn’t work, alas. The Ukrainians did not understand his game, although he just played well in their interests.

Lukashenka's position


What is the mistake of Lukashenka, who insists on "compensations for the tax maneuver"? And he does not ask, but demands 10 billion (compensation for the tax maneuver), irretrievably... That is, it is never a loan. Requires Belarus, which is an order of magnitude less significant than Ukraine. And he does not offer any serious steps either in politics or in the economy in return.

This would never have occurred to Yanukovych. After all, he was a fairly sober-minded politician and understood that miracles do not happen. And free cheese is only in a mousetrap.

That is, given the "scale of the state", not 10, but 3. And not irrevocably, but on credit. And not “just like that”, but in response to “certain steps”. Then yes, then you can talk about something. But 10 billion as a gift? This is something with something. Let's start giving out money to everyone? Right and left, as under Brezhnev? Do we have a lot of them?

And most importantly, it is not clear what the bargaining is about: Lukashenka made his main choice long ago. I did it far from in favor of Russia. The last 10 years have been a complete and final turn to the West in the field of diplomacy. On all counts. Which seems to have delighted American diplomats. Fine, but then what is he trying to "sell"? What, in general, can we talk about when, in fact, he has already made the most important and most significant choice for Moscow?

Both in domestic and foreign policy, everything is more than clear. That is, as a rule, money is given "for a reason", it is usually given "with intent." And just in Ukraine, at the turn of the 13th and 14th years, it seems that the same "fork" took place. And it seemed like it made sense to invest ... But now what do we have? We were even told a terrible story about a possible "non-signing" of a certain document on the anniversary of a certain treaty on the Union State. And supposedly it would be a real scandal. Truth? Yah?

Point of view


No, of course, it is precisely in “fraternal Belarus” that there is a cruel choice: what to do next? Everything there is now very serious: the economy is collapsing, the people are already openly fleeing the country ... The funny thing is that the system of power in Belarus has turned out to be much more stable than the country itself. The system stands rooted to the spot, and the country collapses. Such is the paradox, such is the inconsistency. The system of Belarusian power could have existed for a very long time, if not for the economy or if it were not for the open borders. That is, if the Republic of Belarus were an island, and boats with machine guns would float around (helicopters flew, as in the game "Far Cry"), then the regime could exist for a very long time ... But no. Narodishko scatters, and the budget is completely empty.

And here there is already a very strange point of view of the Belarusians themselves. It seems to them that absolutely all European politics revolves around their country. Russian - for sure. Well, at least the management thinks so. Somehow people do not understand that their country is not the center of world political games. And if Belarus collapses, then Russia will stand. Europe will also stand. RB is by no means the center of the Galaxy.

That is, Lukashenka had to come up with convincing reasons, why does Russia need to save his regime... It was advisable to start thinking about this ten years ago. Let's leave the sentiments, purely pragmatically - the conversation is not about “helping Belarus”, but directly and specifically about helping “Lukashenka’s regime”. So here why Should Putin save this regime? For what purpose? What has Lukashenka done useful for Russia?

Can't you imagine Belarus without Lukashenka? Well, in vain. Many could not imagine Moldova without Plahotniuc. However, it happened. And there it seems like Russia and the West have joined forces to "knock it off". And the "Plahotniuc's gang" fled the country. If anything, Lukashenka is an enemy for the West (the last dictator of Europe). For Russia, over the past 12 years, in fact, he has also ceased to be a friend. Finally.

And today Alexander Lukashenko is asking Putin to save his regime (remember: Belarus existed before Alexander and will exist after him). What for? For what purpose? What's the point?

Meaning, from the point of view of Russia, and not the functionaries of Lukashenka's regime. Over the past few years, Alexander Lukashenko has been regularly visiting Sochi, Moscow and St. Petersburg. To no avail. The problem is not in the regularity of the "raids", but in the semantic component of these meetings. That is, you need to offer something interesting. There is nothing to offer the Belarusian president (apparently). So why meet again? Why waste time from a busy person?

"Kharkov agreements" and "31st card"


And Lukashenka is solving the problem head-on. He travels to Russia over and over again and tries to push Putin. That is, nothing clever, unusual "the gentleman from Drozdy" did not come up with. Over and over again he storms the sky, trying to break through the wall with his forehead. Everything. All tactics and strategy. Nothing more. He offers nothing serious and does not try. No, "in the course of the play" he also makes claims there. But, apparently, really no serious negotiations are underway, and for a long time (Lukashenka has already been offered porridge there (on the water)).

Lukashenka approached the problem in a childish way, that is, he made all the fundamental decisions in politics “very in advance”. And already to Mr. Putin for a meeting, he goes with fully formalized decisions on all points of foreign and domestic policy and with a willingness to discuss exclusively "economic" issues. Negotiations that have been going on completely unsuccessfully for the past several years.

The comrade is still eager to "compete on equal terms," ​​and still cannot calm down. That is, Lukashenka "drew his own picture of the world" and is already trying to "push" Russia under it. The last story with "not his war" from the same series. There, the press secretary of the President of the Republic of Belarus deftly "clarified the situation": the words were taken out of context. And she "counterattacked": if we have gone through so much together, then what disputes can there be over prices? This is the whole of Belarus ...

The author can only assume the reasons for choosing exactly the line of policy that was chosen. But this is somehow very strange ... Why choose Russia as the "main threat" is not clear. From a purely technical point of view. That is, the person somehow did not fully think over the consequences to which such a policy could lead. Today any Lukashenka’s step towards Moscow will immediately be regarded within Belarus as a completely obvious betrayal.

Moreover, the person deprived himself of any maneuver. Oddly enough, “strong” Lukashenka has room for maneuver much less than the "weak" Yanukovych. The latter eventually signed Kharkiv agreements.

What did Mr. Lukashenka sign? Comparable? Name, please, be so kind. And by the way, the signing of the Kharkiv agreements went relatively smoothly. One attempt to sign the enigmatic Card 31 led to powerful anti-Russian demonstrations in Minsk.

For some reason we have a strange stereotype that, they say, Ukraine was not as pro-Russian as Belarus, and Yanukovych was like a weakling. Maybe so. But now, despite the fierce Bandera and Westernism, Mr. Yanukovych put his signature on the Kharkiv agreements.

But all this “pro-Russian” and “tough” Lukashenka, who supposedly holds the country in his fist, could not offer anything of the kind. Even in an absolutely critical situation for him. The "weak" Yanukovych needed economic concessions, and he got them. The "strong" Lukashenko, in turn, prefers to endlessly travel to Russia to see Putin. And conduct absolutely endless negotiations. Interested in oil and gas prices? But the head of Belarus does not want or cannot offer anything interesting in exchange.

And every time, not getting what he was looking for, Mr. Lukashenko (all so stern and pro-Russian) goes home in frustrated feelings. The man has been in big politics for 25 years, but he has not yet mastered the basics of political negotiations. It is necessary not only to loudly and persistently voice their "Wishlist", but also to offer something in return. Then things will go much more fun.

Yanukovych, if anything, publicly did not call Russia names (weakling!), Negotiated behind closed doors. And he conducted them successfully, unlike Mr. Lukashenko, who over and over again tries to popularly explain to the Kremlin how good he is ...
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  1. apro
    apro April 6 2021 10: 09
    -6
    Generally speaking, all the bad ones are good for Putin ... he outplayed everyone.
    It makes no sense to compare Ukraine and Belarus in terms of the sane leadership of the country. The results, as they say, are obvious.
    1. 210ox
      210ox April 6 2021 10: 18
      +11
      Lukashenka had a choice towards the EU. Now this is not the case, when trying to come to an agreement with the West, he will be given an ultimatum. Either he or Tikhanovskaya. For all his stubbornness, he has no choice but Russia.
      1. WHAT IS
        WHAT IS April 6 2021 10: 29
        +18
        Then let the Crimea be recognized as Russian territory.
        De-jure, not de facto ..
        1. Flooding
          Flooding April 6 2021 10: 31
          -1
          Quote: WHAT IS
          Then let the Crimea be recognized as Russian territory.
          De jure, not de facto ..

          Belarusian opposition will roar even more
          1. Jaromir
            Jaromir April 6 2021 14: 26
            +6
            Quote: Flood
            Belarusian opposition will roar even more

            Let it howl. At least let's see how many of them are left laughing
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov April 6 2021 17: 16
              +2
              The article is Zmagar creativity, designed to denigrate the impeccable Lukashenko, comparing him with the slimy and cowardly Yanukovych, drawing him as an epic hero. Ugh, disgusting!
              1. bayard
                bayard April 7 2021 22: 08
                +1
                I would not be so categorical. The author is more likely right than wrong. Yanukovych was more convenient and smart as a partner. Moreover, he was able to resolve issues in favor of Ukraine on a mutually beneficial basis. And in terms of economic policy, the period of his reign was the most successful and successful, and starting from the first premiership.
                And the fact that he did not manage to disperse the Maidan ... yes, it's a fault, but after all, what sabotage there was then, all the oligarchs turned out to be against him, with all their corrupt security officials and officials ... and the overseas ambassadors bulldogs hung on it - not a step did not let go ... pressure on all his ministers and other officials, calls to their relatives, threats and persuasions ... and the threat of civil war.
                But her - a civil war, he was just very afraid to allow ... I remember this from the first Maidan - I talked with people who were then with him ...
                A mistake was the refusal to suppress the rebellion ... but then a civil war would have flared up not in the East, but from Kiev to Lvov ... And there they were ready for this.
                Probably the way it should have been ... but this is wisdom in hindsight.
                I had to push.
                Realization came too late ... then he turned to Russia for help.
                And the Kremlin has already shown weakness.
                Taking only the Crimea.
                Although almost ALL of Ukraine was at his feet.
                This mistake is worse than a crime. And its consequences are being reaped not only by the former Ukraine, but also by the whole of Russia ... having suffered losses in aggregate over these 7 years of the order of a trillion dollars ... having failed a number of defense and state programs and received on their borders (several thousand kilometers hostile, aggressive and a deranged "state".
                And if the Kremlin had responded correctly, then it would not have known grief today, and Yanukovych would have walked in heroes and sages. And they would live in a single state.
          2. Nemchinov Vl
            Nemchinov Vl April 6 2021 20: 41
            +1
            Quote: Flood
            Belarusian opposition will roar even more
            something like, - "the dog barks, and the caravan goes" ...
        2. apro
          apro April 6 2021 10: 35
          -17%
          Quote: WHAT IS
          Then let the Crimea be recognized as Russian territory.
          De jure, not de facto ..

          No question. Is the Russian Federation able to compensate for the losses incurred by the economy of Belarus?
          1. Civil
            Civil April 6 2021 11: 12
            +1
            If Lukashenka wants to change his throne for something, it is only for the Russian throne. There are no two kings, he understands this very well.
          2. mark2
            mark2 April 6 2021 17: 50
            +1
            Is the Russian Federation able to compensate for the losses incurred by the economy of Belarus?

            It will both pay off debts and compensate for losses.
        3. Max otto
          Max otto April 6 2021 11: 12
          +2
          Quote: WHAT IS
          Then let the Crimea be recognized as Russian territory.
          De-jure, not de facto ..

          Crimea was not even recognized by the whole of Russia, what do you want from others? laughing ... For example, Sberbank, Russian Railways, MTS and all the offices that have tricks with Western banks and companies. There is not a single office of these "type of Russian" firms.
          By God, like ***** with candy wrappers, admit the Crimea - the problems will resolve themselves, and you don't need to do anything.
      2. knn54
        knn54 April 6 2021 12: 15
        +8
        Power can be held on bayonets, not on Finns.
        In Belarus, dad is his own "chairman". Is an oligarch himself. Yanukovych wanted to build a family business, and the oligarchs did not forgive him for this.
        Now about the intellect. Father puts ALL opponents in a puddle. Few politicians and journalists would dare to enter into a dispute with him. And listen to Yanukovych ...
        Old Man is a cunning man. Yanukovych went through a tough criminal school.
        I would like to say that the achievements of Prime Minister Azarov are undeservedly attributed to Yanukovych.
        I'll finish. Probably, the main thing is that Belarus does not have "its own" Galicia.
        At one time, Bandera said that for the sake of his ideas he was ready to destroy half of the population of Ukraine.
      3. Kaman
        Kaman April 7 2021 07: 55
        -3
        Luka is a war criminal, but Yanukovych is not, that's the difference. But on the other hand, Janek has 2 trips in his youth. Which one is worse? Both are worse)))
        1. 210ox
          210ox April 7 2021 07: 58
          0
          Justify that Luca is a war criminal. Are war crimes committed in Belarus?
          1. hound
            hound April 7 2021 15: 15
            0
            Quote: 210ox
            Justify that Luca is a war criminal. Are war crimes committed in Belarus?

            Yes. If the commander-in-chief issues criminal orders that are carried out by the security forces, then this is a war crime.
            1. 210ox
              210ox April 7 2021 15: 29
              0
              These orders allowed to restore order and preserve the state.
    2. smart ass
      smart ass April 6 2021 10: 27
      +10
      He outplayed everyone our money, so he gave it - no one returned it
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 April 6 2021 10: 52
        +3
        Quote: Clever man
        He outplayed everyone our money, so he gave it - no one returned it

        Let's start giving out money to everyone? Right and left, as under Brezhnev? Do we have a lot of them?
        Isn't that what we're doing? All credits for weapons, credits for all atomic stations. I understand that the Ministry of Finance earns at some exchange rates, but we "forgive" most of these loans just like under Lyonka. They gave Janek, now they themselves must
      2. Machito
        Machito April 6 2021 11: 05
        +4
        The article is a minus. Lukashenko transferred control of the pipe (gas pipeline) to Russia. And Ukraine, like a tick, dug into the pipe. Now Belarus is pulling troops to Gomel and Brest on the border with Ukraine. Old Man is not so bad, as various experts and Russian oligarchs paint him, whom he does not allow to take over the Belarusian economy.
        1. Dym71
          Dym71 April 6 2021 11: 21
          -2
          Quote: Bearded
          Russian oligarchs, whom he does not allow to take over the Belarusian economy

          Not only Russian, he does not give to anyone and does not eat himself, like a dog in the manger, but this action is inevitable, and if Father is not able to agree in peace, then they will take him without it.
          1. Igoresha
            Igoresha April 6 2021 12: 09
            0
            Is it not necessary to listen to / read the citizens of the Republic of Belarus according to the theses of the article? And then I see that the author garazd draw conclusions
            1. Dym71
              Dym71 April 6 2021 12: 20
              +1
              Quote: Igoresha
              Is it not necessary to listen to / read the citizens of the Republic of Belarus according to the theses of the article?

              Of course it is necessary, the article is designed for that - we are three bully
              1. Igoresha
                Igoresha April 6 2021 12: 24
                -4
                then we wait for the evening) the Belarusians will come and write) I remember how I was mistaken about the Belarusian free medicine, they explained to me here with a specific example
        2. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis April 6 2021 17: 33
          +2
          Quote: Bearded
          The article is a minus. Lukashenko transferred control of the pipe (gas pipeline) to Russia. And Ukraine, like a tick, dug into the pipe. Now Belarus is pulling troops to Gomel and Brest on the border with Ukraine. Old Man is not so bad, as various experts and Russian oligarchs paint him, whom he does not allow to take over the Belarusian economy.

          And Lukashenka did not let him play the devilish game with the Russian language. In Ukraine, from the very beginning, they decided to make the Russian language an apple of discord. Make a policy, gesheft on this topic ... Make bilingualism in Ukraine in 91 and a completely different political situation in the country ..
          1. Machito
            Machito April 6 2021 21: 29
            -1
            A comrade rents an apartment in Moscow, lives in Belarus on a farm with a milkmaid, pulls at milkings, tears anyone up, worked as the head of the security service for twenty years in a nightclub. He calls for a visit, it's scary to go: fishing, mushrooms, milkmaids with milkings. I may not come back. Better to drive to Afghan.
        3. Olezhek
          April 6 2021 19: 43
          +4
          The article is a minus. Lukashenko transferred control of the pipe (gas pipeline) to Russia. And Ukraine, like a tick, dug into the pipe


          Lukashenka did not transfer anything
          He sold the pipe for $ 5 billion
          Sold and transferred - very different things, is not it?
          then for a long time he made excuses to the disgruntled Belarusians that the pipe was "rusty".
  2. Flooding
    Flooding April 6 2021 10: 11
    0
    Many could not imagine Moldova without Plahotniuc. However, it happened. And there it seems like Russia and the West have joined forces to "knock it off". And the "Plahotniuc's gang" fled the country. If anything, Lukashenka is an enemy for the West (the last dictator of Europe). For Russia, over the past 12 years, in fact, he also ceased to be a friend. Finally.

    But Plahotniuc's gang was pro-Romanian.
    And, having knocked off the gray cardinal, Russia got a more or less equal relationship with Dodon.
    And who and what can Russia hypothetically get if Lukashenka leaves his post? How controlled or rather uncontrollable is the situation?
    1. Overlock
      Overlock April 6 2021 10: 18
      +9
      Quote: Flood
      How controlled or rather uncontrollable is the situation?

      How can you control the situation in a foreign state? By supporting Lukashenka, the Russian authorities oppose themselves to Belarus.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding April 6 2021 10: 21
        0
        Quote: Overlock
        How can you control the situation in a foreign state?

        do not control the situation in a foreign state
        although it is possible
        The State Department will not let you lie

        BUT to control the situation in interstate relations
        1. Overlock
          Overlock April 6 2021 10: 29
          +12
          Quote: Flood
          do not control the situation in the state
          although it is possible
          The State Department will not let you lie
          BUT to control the situation in interstate relations

          You are talking about controlling the situation in Belarus, which logically follows from your phrase
          Quote: Flood
          And who and what can Russia hypothetically get if Lukashenka leaves his post?

          If we talk about the State Department, then compare the efficiency of the work of the State Department and the Kremlin on the situation with Ukraine: Russia poured more than $ 200 billion into Ukraine, America - 5 billion, America achieved success.
          No country is fully able to control the situation in the World, therefore, there is always a balance of interests. The stronger the Economy, the more you can grab
          1. Flooding
            Flooding April 6 2021 10: 36
            0
            Quote: Overlock
            You are talking about controlling the situation in Belarus, which logically follows from your phrase

            this is your logic, do not attribute it to me
            not used to lying and dodging
            I write as I think
            I did not write about state control
            but about relations with this state
      2. 210ox
        210ox April 6 2021 10: 25
        +9
        The authorities often oppose themselves to Russia. And how far Belarus is for us a "foreign state". And why do you think that all the people are against Lukashenka? I talked with my relatives in Klimovichi, Mogilev .. Of course, they are not FOR, but also against the removal of Lukashenka.
      3. Flooding
        Flooding April 6 2021 10: 27
        +1
        Quote: Overlock
        By supporting Lukashenka, the Russian authorities oppose themselves to Belarus.

        And what is the support or non-support of the president of another country?
        The Kremlin does not sing praises to him.
        Or do you propose not to recognize its legitimacy, so as not to "oppose yourself to Belarus"?
        Speaking about Belarus, who or what do you mean? After all, Belarus is a state. And the state is a bureaucratic apparatus headed by the president.
        You probably meant the people of Belarus? So let the people understand themselves in their own country. Do not crucify for him.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day April 6 2021 12: 20
          -6
          Quote: Flood
          So let the people understand themselves in their own country.

          So do not interfere! Who moved the police to the border with Belarus, who sent propagandists on the Belarusian television and radio?
          1. Flooding
            Flooding April 6 2021 12: 31
            +2
            Quote: Silvestr
            So do not interfere! Who moved the police to the border with Belarus, who sent propagandists on the Belarusian television and radio?

            I am? belay

      4. Jaromir
        Jaromir April 6 2021 14: 30
        +8
        Quote: Overlock
        By supporting Lukashenka, the Russian authorities oppose themselves to Belarus.

        Russia does not support Lukashenko. Russia supports the people of Belarus and stability in Belarus.
      5. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl April 6 2021 20: 52
        +1
        Quote: Overlock
        How can you control the situation in a foreign state?
        The USA somehow succeeds ... And in Japan (bombed by them !!), and in today's England (here, of course, partially), and in Germany, and in France (the revolt of the last rebellious DeGol, was quickly suppressed and sent into obscurity) ...
        I.e, - in fact - you can (!)... But no one argues that this is feasible quite simply (!). yes
        The scandal about the wiretapping of the leaders of European states (after the publication of WIKIliks (!) ...), just like in the plot of the film, - "where does the homeland begin", disappeared into the past and [b] "forgot quickly", since a coup was organized in Ukraine (!), for example !!! [/ b]
    2. vvvjak
      vvvjak April 6 2021 10: 48
      -5
      Quote: Flood
      And who and what can Russia hypothetically get if Lukashenka leaves his post?

      And what and whom did Russia get in 26 years of Lukashenka’s rule?
      Quote: Flood
      How controlled or rather uncontrollable is the situation?

      A situation controlled by whom, Moscow?
      1. Flooding
        Flooding April 6 2021 10: 57
        +4
        Quote: vvvjak
        And what and whom did Russia get in 26 years of Lukashenka’s rule?

        it's easier to write what you didn’t get
        didn't get a hostile state
        didn’t get another neighbor torn to NATO
        1. vvvjak
          vvvjak April 6 2021 11: 31
          -4
          Quote: Flood
          didn't get a hostile state

          And it is a stretch to call him friendly.
          Quote: Flood
          did not receive the Maidan

          It is unclear how the RB sideways is related to the Maidan in the Russian Federation. There was a "cloud" of Maidans in Ukraine, so what does Russia have to do with it?
          Quote: Flood
          didn’t get another neighbor torn to NATO

          While the Russian Federation gives money, and then who knows (see "comment" below).
          1. Flooding
            Flooding April 6 2021 11: 38
            -1
            Quote: vvvjak
            And it is a stretch to call him friendly.

            in kindergarten, children are taught that a bad world is better than a good quarrel
            maybe not everywhere
            Quote: vvvjak
            It is unclear how the RB sideways is related to the Maidan in the Russian Federation.

            I'm not talking about the Maidan in the Russian Federation, but about the Maidan in Minsk I wrote
            after which he erased the line so as not to confuse the minds
            Quote: vvvjak
            There was a "cloud" of Maidans in Ukraine, so what does Russia have to do with it?

            how did it happen, wow
            it turned out that moreover
            and what to think about Russians in a neighboring state
            Quote: vvvjak
            While the Russian Federation gives money, and then who knows

            do you prefer fortune telling on coffee grounds or on cards?
            so I am not holding you back, guess yourself for pleasure
            1. New Year day
              New Year day April 6 2021 12: 21
              -3
              Quote: Flood
              a bad world is better than a good fight

              Money can't buy the world
        2. Nemchinov Vl
          Nemchinov Vl April 6 2021 21: 01
          +1
          Quote: Flood
          it's easier to write what you didn’t get
          didn't get a hostile state
          didn’t get another neighbor torn to NATO

          such a farce (!).
          What do you think - is Azerbaijan a friendly state ?! It is not directly -
          Quote: Flood
          eager to join NATO neighbor
          , but also to call it a friendly neighbor (?) will it turn your tongue ?! No ?. but let's say -
          Quote: Flood
          hostile state
          ...?! do you say or not ?!
          And in fact (?), How many sympathizers of the Russian Federation are there ?! and how many sympathizers of Turkey ?! Who knows ?!
          1. Flooding
            Flooding April 6 2021 22: 37
            -1
            Quote: Vl Nemchinov
            such a farce (!).
            What do you think - is Azerbaijan a friendly state ?!

            such a comparison.
            1.Ukraine is not Azerbaijan
            2.unfriendly and openly hostile are two different poles
            idle chatter
      2. Flooding
        Flooding April 6 2021 10: 59
        -1
        Quote: vvvjak
        A situation controlled by whom, Moscow?

        of course dear
        each side of a two-way (or more) relationship wants to control them
        this is the main goal and task number one
        whether it be politics, business, work or family life
        is this news for you?
        1. vvvjak
          vvvjak April 6 2021 11: 27
          +1
          Quote: Flood
          each side of a two-way (or more) relationship dreams control them

          Well, dream on
          Quote: Flood
          whether it be politics, business, work or family life
          is this news for you?

          The Russian Federation has invested billions of money in Lukashenka. "Convenient business" - we invest "kilometers of money" and "dream" of their control. As a result: "If anyone does not like our multi-vector nature, let them pay for it."
          1. Flooding
            Flooding April 6 2021 11: 34
            -2
            so your question was about efficiency?
            do not hesitate to ask questions
            so I don't have to guess
            1. vvvjak
              vvvjak April 6 2021 11: 50
              0
              Quote: Flood
              so your question was about efficiency?

              My question was what Lukashenka did for Russia, that he won so many admirers among the citizens of the Russian Federation, incl. among VO commentators?
              1. Flooding
                Flooding April 6 2021 11: 57
                -2
                Quote: vvvjak
                My question was what Lukashenka did for Russia, that he won so many admirers among the citizens of the Russian Federation, incl. among VO commentators?

                In order to give a sober neutral assessment of a politician, do you need to be his admirer?
                This is something new.

                So tell me in the end, what assessment did I give in the comments of Lukashenka?
                Search carefully.
                Otherwise, you will not understand if I am a fan of him.
  3. aleksandrvvsysop
    aleksandrvvsysop April 6 2021 10: 14
    +3
    Nevertheless, Yanukovych held out in power by an order of magnitude less than Lukashenka. And who is smart after that?
    1. Overlock
      Overlock April 6 2021 10: 19
      +12
      Quote: aleksandrvvsysop
      Nevertheless, Yanukovych held out in power by an order of magnitude less than Lukashenka. And who is smart after that?

      The question is the price! What are the consequences and what is the end result!
      1. 210ox
        210ox April 6 2021 10: 26
        +3
        The consequences for Ukraine are much more serious than for Belarus.
        1. Overlock
          Overlock April 6 2021 10: 36
          +19
          Quote: 210ox
          The consequences for Ukraine are much more serious than for Belarus.

          There is no doubt! The task is to prevent Belarus from becoming the second Ukraine
    2. Olezhek
      April 6 2021 10: 28
      0
      Nevertheless, Yanukovych stayed in power


      That is, how is the idea and the result of government - to hold on to the throne with blue fingers?
      Unexpectedly (for the electorate)
      belay
      1. Flooding
        Flooding April 6 2021 10: 34
        -2
        Quote: Olezhek
        That is, how is the idea and the result of government - to hold on to the throne with blue fingers?

        Well, how can this be one of the main indicators of the strength of a politician since the days of Ancient Rome.
        1. Olezhek
          April 6 2021 10: 45
          0
          well, how can this be one of the main indicators of the strength of a politician since the time of Ancient Rome


          It’s as if by itself, it’s not an indicator.
          There are a lot of weak politicians who have occupied the throne for decades, while merging their country.
          So what?

          and what does antiquity have to do with it?
          Do you want to compare Alexander Lukashenko with Alexander the Great?
          Or with Augustus Octavian?
          Will it not be strong?
          1. Flooding
            Flooding April 6 2021 10: 53
            -2
            Quote: Olezhek
            and what does antiquity have to do with it?

            maybe because knowledge of history helps to better deal with the challenges of our time?
            Quote: Olezhek
            Do you want to compare Alexander Lukashenko with Alexander the Great?

            understand. irony
            but I quite seriously believe that historical parallels with current events are very appropriate. and even recommended for use.
            Quote: Olezhek
            Or with Augustus Octavian?

            No, I won't play along with you.
            It was not about personalities, but about signs, units of measurement, in which a strong politician should or should not be measured.
            After all, this echoes the topic of the article, doesn't it?
            Quote: Olezhek
            There are a lot of weak politicians who have occupied the throne for decades, while merging their country.

            Examples, please, of such weaklings.
            1. Olezhek
              April 6 2021 12: 06
              -2
              and what does antiquity have to do with it?


              maybe because knowledge of history helps to better deal with the challenges of our time?


              There are a lot of weak politicians who have occupied the throne for decades, while merging their country.


              Examples, please, of such weaklings.


              I even feel sorry for you ...
              Learn learn ...

              Guy Caligula
              This Roman emperor ruled from 12 to 41. It was a real insane reign. He began his reign with that. That intimidated and humiliated the Senate and the highest leadership of the army. He also insulted Jerusalem by proclaiming himself god.

              And, by the way, I forgot, is Lukashenko higher or lower than God?

              Caligula! your horse in the Senate
              Couldn't shine, shining in gold:
              Good deeds shine. The donkey will remain a donkey,
              While screeching it with stars;
              Where the mind must act,
              He only claps his ears.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding April 6 2021 12: 26
                +1
                Quote: Olezhek
                I even feel sorry for you ...

                start by trying to humiliate?
                nice, Olezhek
                Quote: Olezhek
                Guy Caligula
                This Roman emperor ruled from 12 to 41. It was a real insane reign. He began his reign with that. That intimidated and humiliated the Senate and the highest leadership of the army. He also inflicted an insult on Jerusalem, proclaiming himself a god.

                Have you written an article about politicians confusing human dignity with professional qualities?
                Suetonius about Caligula, objectionable to the Senate
                And in an edict, he announced that he was returning only for those who desired him — for the horsemen and the people; for the Senate, he will no longer be a citizen or a princeps

                Suetonius on general prosperity during the reign of Caligula
                He did not even hide how regretted that his time was not marked by any nationwide disasters: the reign of Augustus was remembered by the defeat of Var, the reign of Tiberius - by the collapse of the amphitheater in Fidena, and his reign would be forgotten due to the general prosperity

                Moreover, it is necessary to understand that Suetonius exposed Caligula, without even trying to justify him in anything.
                Yes, Caligula was popular with the people.
                And very disliked by the Senate.
                For which he was killed by the Praetorians.
                And it is believed that the killers of Caligula were very much afraid of the people's anger.
                By the way, Caligula ruled for over three years.
                And you cited him as an example to your rash thesis
                Quote: Olezhek
                There are a lot of weak politicians who occupied the throne for decadeswhile merging their country.

                I think it's time for you to start feeling sorry for yourself.
                I understand that you studied history from feature films.
                But it's still better to double-check your deepest knowledge.
                1. Olezhek
                  April 6 2021 13: 10
                  -4
                  start by trying to humiliate?
                  nice, Olezhek


                  There are a lot of weak politicians who have occupied the throne for decades, while merging their country.


                  Examples, please, of such weaklings.


                  Don't ask such questions
                  And that is completely ridiculous to become.

                  И Really it is very difficult to answer.

                  In small countries there was a sea of ​​such "rulers"
                  Just dofiga!
                  Well, even from large, famous powers: Charles II of Spain
                  Charles II Bewitched (Enchanted, Possessed)
                  So what?
                  To (Spanish Carlos II El Hechizado; November 6, 1661 - November 1, 1700) - King of Spain since 1665, the last representative of the House of Habsburg on the Spanish throne, due to poor heredity, was extremely painful.

                  As if no one overthrew him ...
                  And he "ruled" for decades
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding April 6 2021 13: 13
                    0
                    Quote: Olezhek
                    Don't ask such questions
                    And it’s quite funny to become

                    we already laughed together once
                    maybe that's enough for you?
                    already looking at the 4-year-old king
                    1. Olezhek
                      April 6 2021 14: 04
                      -2
                      we already laughed together once
                      maybe that's enough for you?
                      already looking at the 4-year-old king



                      There are a lot of weak politicians who have occupied the throne for decades, while merging their country
                      .

                      Examples, please, of such weaklings.


                      Did you ask?
                      About "weaklings"?
                      Charles II was not just a weakling, he was no ruler
                      Spain perished
                      He sat on the throne ...
                      For decades ..

                      This is an extreme example

                      In general, a weak ruler who sits on the throne for a long time
                      and merging his power is a "classic of the genre"
                      For those who know a little history of course

                      For example:
                      "The era of lazy kings" begins in 639 (after the death of King Dagobert I) and ends in 751, when Pepin the Short imprisoned Childeric III in the monastery.
                      1. Flooding
                        Flooding April 6 2021 14: 44
                        -1
                        Quote: Olezhek
                        "The era of lazy kings" begins in 639 (after the death of King Dagobert I) and ends in 751, when Pepin the Short imprisoned Childeric III in the monastery.

                        oh yes you are growing before our eyes
                        thank you for your hard work
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding April 6 2021 14: 51
                        -1
                        Quote: Olezhek
                        Charles II was not just a weakling, he was no ruler
                        Spain perished
                        He sat on the throne ...
                        For decades ..

                        Here's from that Wikipedia:

                        January 1679 - the Trade Commission was created (in the future, it will become the Chamber of Commerce). Tax breaks, exemptions, approval of superintendents and other reforms set the stage for the economic strengthening of Spain in the next century

                        1680 - a decree (a kind of monetary reform) of the Mint Commission, which led to a financial disaster for many houses, but eventually finally stabilized the country's monetary system

                        1680 - one of the independent actions of Charles: he ordered to investigate the activities of the Inquisition (apparently, he was against its cruelties), establishing the Great Junta

                        November 1, 1681 - Code of Laws issued for South America, after which the colonies finally receive legal guarantees and a universal code

                        And it's all about him, about "no-one" politics
                        You didn't even think that the prerequisites for the problems of Spain could be rooted in the period before the reign of Charles II.

                        Let's say goodbye and will not return to this topic.
  4. rocket757
    rocket757 April 6 2021 10: 17
    +1
    To begin with, he was not very eager to take those "IMF loans" that Alexander Grigorievich and Pyotr Alekseevich were rowing "as if not in themselves." Viktor Fedorovich was not very interested in this "gesheft", which undoubtedly testifies to a much higher level of his intelligence.
    What can be said about the loser ... after all, he did not lose his own, not only himself, he set the whole country, which he was entrusted to lead ... I don’t want to talk about this, AT ALL.
    1. 210ox
      210ox April 6 2021 10: 29
      +1
      Yes, and they are still trying to compare Yanyk and the Arab League .. One country drove itself into a mousetrap, the Northern neighbor, despite all the troubles retained itself In general, the situation in Belarus resembles a certain situation in Yugoslavia. Under Tito, there was a strong regime, the country developed, but gained a bunch of credits. The Leader is gone, and the country is gone.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 6 2021 10: 39
        +1
        Quote: 210ox
        The Leader is gone, and the country is gone.

        This problem has been repeated more than once ... and who is ready to learn from other people's mistakes?
      2. Olezhek
        April 6 2021 14: 40
        +1
        Yes, and they are still trying to compare Yanyk and the Arab League .. One country drove itself into a mousetrap, the Northern neighbor, despite all the troubles retained itself In general, the situation in Belarus resembles a certain situation in Yugoslavia.


        Yeah - especially with interethnic conflicts and a high level of economy ...
        Fairy tales are such fairy tales ...
        1. 210ox
          210ox April 6 2021 14: 56
          0
          What are the inter-ethnic conflicts in Belarus? And in terms of the rate of economic decline, Ukraine has clearly surpassed Belarus.
    2. Overlock
      Overlock April 6 2021 10: 34
      +20
      Quote: rocket757
      After all, he did not lose his own, not only himself, HE FOUNDED THE WHOLE COUNTRY, which he was entrusted to lead ...

      Or maybe the other way around? He turned out to be smarter and more perspicacious and, understanding and knowing what we were not supposed to know, was confident in a future war and simply did not want to start this war? Not all "Kutuzovs and Suvorovs" or "Allende"!
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 6 2021 10: 40
        0
        No, no, I lost, but I kept my skin ... there is nothing to discuss here.
  5. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine April 6 2021 10: 19
    -3
    Russia, Ukraine, Belarus cannot be together, they are different states, although the people are one. Once we were together, but now we are all apart, where governments cannot be united. States, principalities or tribes are united only when one of the peoples is threatened with complete destruction.
    1. Overlock
      Overlock April 6 2021 10: 31
      +12
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Russia, Ukraine, Belarus cannot be together, these are different states,

      hi
      Golden words and the sooner the majority in Russia understands this, the better it will be for everyone
      Quote: tihonmarine
      States, principalities or tribes are united only when one of the peoples is threatened with complete destruction.

      Footnote: if they get it
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 6 2021 12: 01
        -3
        Quote: Overlock
        Footnote: if they get it

        Probably not.
    2. Flooding
      Flooding April 6 2021 10: 46
      +1
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Russia, Ukraine, Belarus cannot be together, they are different states, although the people are one.

      during the time of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, the local elite also thought so.
      but history decreed otherwise.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 6 2021 12: 04
        -3
        Quote: Flood
        but history decreed otherwise.

        More precisely, at one time Russia.
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 April 6 2021 10: 53
      -2
      Actually, the country exists as long as the benefits received from the center for the regional elites outweigh the benefits of independent navigation. Therefore, as long as the bourgeoisie is in power in Russia, no one will even think of uniting with us. Who needs Putin's oligarch sidekicks? Does anyone in Belarus and Ukraine, for example, dream of rotenberg with gref at night? After all, it is clear that Russia will come, and our alligators will immediately devour the local alligators, and then scoop up the remnants of what they have not eaten ... On the people, they should put a device on ours, what can we say about others ..

      In such a situation, the meaning of unification is what is for the top, what is used for the people of the SSR? They only ate the superfluous ones around their necks. No, if we really want to unite again, ordinary people need to offer some kind of positive idea. There can be only one such thing - the complete restoration of Soviet power .. Alligators of all stripes - in the dump.
  6. Overlock
    Overlock April 6 2021 10: 24
    +22
    Neither Yanukovych nor Lukashenko were and are not pro-Russian. Their policy was aimed at receiving money from Russia in exchange for air to maintain their power and balance of interests in their countries. It's just that one is more cunning, and the second is the antipode. Bulldozing Russia and constantly playing on its political interests, often abusing him, Lukashenko believes that in this situation Russia MUST support him (read - contain). The more Russia supports Lukashenka, the more it will position itself in an unattractive light in front of the people of Belarus.
    1. apro
      apro April 6 2021 10: 28
      -9
      Quote: Overlock
      Neither Yanukovych nor Lukashenko were and are not pro-Russian.

      So in the Kremlin, the leadership. Which sits. it is difficult to call the leadership pro-Russian.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock April 6 2021 10: 35
        +19
        Quote: apro
        So in the Kremlin, the leadership. Which sits. it is difficult to call the leadership pro-Russian.

        Judging by the decisions made, it is possible and so
      2. Pushkar
        Pushkar April 6 2021 11: 12
        +2
        Quote: apro
        So in the Kremlin, the leadership. Which sits. it is difficult to call the leadership pro-Russian.

        It is not pro-Russian, not pro-Tatar, it is pro-Russian.
        1. apro
          apro April 6 2021 11: 21
          -6
          Quote: Pushkar
          It is not pro-Russian, not pro-Tatar, it is pro-Russian.

          And what is the difference ?????????????????????? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
    2. Olezhek
      April 6 2021 10: 30
      +3
      Neither Yanukovych nor Lukashenko were and are not pro-Russian. Their policy was to get money from Russia in exchange for air


      Pro-Russian were not
      But in fact - Yanukovych did not quite change "money for air"
      what is written about.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock April 6 2021 10: 35
        +22
        Quote: Olezhek
        Yanukovych did not quite change "money for air"
        what is written about.

        So they don't argue with that.
  7. Gardamir
    Gardamir April 6 2021 10: 35
    -9
    How hard it is to live! The man who plunged his country into chaos is somehow good. And the one who is trying to keep the country from devastation is bad.
    There is also a third one, who is absolutely the "genius" of foreign policy.
    1. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi April 6 2021 11: 56
      0
      Quote: Gardamir
      And the one who is trying to keep the country from devastation is bad.

      Let's clarify. Lukoshkin is not trying to keep Belarus from ruin. The only policy he pursues during his entire reign is the policy of tough protection of his own backside. It is from the point of view of the country that it is much more profitable to enter at least into an alliance with Russia, even with the EU. There are pros and cons both there and there. But the pluses will still outweigh. But hanging out like a flower in an ice-hole meets the interests of just one Belarusian. Name this person?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir April 6 2021 12: 34
        -1
        You can talk a lot about foreign ass ...
        Well done Yanukovych for not becoming a flower in the hole ...
  8. tatra
    tatra April 6 2021 10: 50
    0
    Unlike the enemies of the communists, I have no inclination to stupid, senseless malice and criticism, and I believe that even the best should be chosen from the bad. So Lukashenko is better for Belarus and the Belarusian people, and for Russia than opposition to him, and Yanukovych is the best President for Ukraine and the Ukrainian people, and for Russia than all the other Presidents of Ukraine. Yanukovych's misfortune is that the West put him in a desperate situation, from which there was only a bad way out - disperse Yanukovych Maidan - The West and Europe would immediately start squealing that he was a "bloody tyrant, dictator", Yanukovych Maidan did not disperse - he lost the presidency , and still he was declared a criminal.
  9. soloveyav
    soloveyav April 6 2021 11: 29
    +1
    Yes, the fact that Lukashenka is not pro-Russian, everyone who tried to understand something understood after the Crimea. Although the prerequisites were back in 2008, and even in 2000. Here the question is different - why the Russian Federation still has not thrown him off, gave him the opportunity to grow Bel. nat. intelligentsia, gave anti-Russian propaganda and further down the list. For 10% of the money that he was given in 2020, it was possible to buy up all the candidates in the elections and displace him by peace, it was possible to send troops under the pretext of protecting Russian citizens, or under the pretext of protecting order (there must be a sense from the screen of the union state, not only give money to the Republic of Belarus for cutting under this sign). In the end, it was possible to shove through a negotiable prime minister, and make the AHL another victim of the coronavirus laughing But no, of all the options, they chose the worst. After all, the Soviet nomenklatura and their Komsomol kids are a diagnosis. Moreover, carriers incurable to death.
    1. Igoresha
      Igoresha April 6 2021 12: 22
      +3
      why the Russian Federation still has not thrown it off


      after watching a cycle of interviews between Dmitry Puchkov and Semyon Uralov
      https://oper.ru/video/view.php?t=4650
      who is just interested in the influence, or rather, the non-influence of the Russian Federation on the neighboring country. you come to the conclusion that the Kremlin either nafig needs it, or the Kremlin does not know how to get into politics (I am inclined to the second option because there are attempts, but there is no rezutatata). Loot to send to the right and to the left-there is such, but to ask for him or a vestiverennuyu policy with clearly set goals, this, alas, is not.
  10. Roman1970_1
    Roman1970_1 April 6 2021 11: 48
    0
    Viktor Fedorovich was not very interested in this "gesheft", which undoubtedly testifies to a much higher level of his intelligence.


    I don’t think about him at all and I’m not that much, not at all interested in him.
    So, according to the author's logic, I am a genius and my intellect is off the charts.
    It's a pity I didn't know before. Thanks author
  11. Old Orc
    Old Orc April 6 2021 12: 07
    +7
    The logic of the story is not based on that. 1 Yanukovych was not the master of Ukraine, he was an overseer of the masters of Ukraine. 2 Old Man is not looking but one of the main owners. And from these facts it is necessary to consider the situation. Yanukovych could not do anything with the consolidated decision of the majority of the owners. For dad, this is not important.
    1. Olezhek
      April 6 2021 12: 31
      0
      1 Yanukovych was not the master of Ukraine, he was an overseer of the masters of Ukraine. 2 Old Man is not looking but one of the main owners. And from these facts it is necessary to consider the situation. Yanukovych could not do anything with the consolidated decision of the majority of the owners. For dad, it doesn't matter


      According to the "loss of power" it is
      Overall

      BUT the author looked specifically at the ability of these politicians to negotiate with Russia on important issues.
      If Lukashenka has more power and authority, then why the hell did he not make political concessions in exchange for
      a critical loan for him?

      “Weak Yanukovych” has gone, but “strong Lukashenka” has not?
      Why is that?
      1. Old Orc
        Old Orc April 6 2021 12: 48
        -1
        It's just that Belarus and dad are more valuable for Russia at the moment than Ukraine in 2013. If dad merges and Westerners come, how many kilometers from Moscow can there be NATO tanks and missiles. Before the loss of Ukraine in 2014 in Russia, even in a nightmare, they could not imagine such a thing, and now the dad uses it. Its stock is up sharper than Tesla's.
      2. dzvero
        dzvero April 6 2021 14: 08
        +1
        Why is that?

        Both took the presidency. Only, the LAS managed to transform it into a throne, while the YAF remained a henchman of one of the groups. So the LAS is capricious - I want it, I don’t want this, but here I wrap seafood together with traditional Belarusian Parmesan ...
  12. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer April 6 2021 12: 34
    +6
    Russia made only one mistake in Ukraine. Instead of choosing one pro-Russian politician, and choosing from whom, in the mid-90s and supporting him. Russia supported Kuchma, and then he wrote "Ukraine is not Russia", then Yanukovych. They were for Russia only in words, they needed the votes of voters in the east - southeast in the elections, after which all pro-Russianness immediately disappeared. The biggest stupidity or meanness happened in 2004, when, spitting on the constitution, the mattress makers were appointed president of Yushch. Russia could at least simply refuse to recognize the election results, the violations were flagrant, the Russian Foreign Ministry did not even have to invent anything. Instead, Putin congratulated Yushch on his election victory. This is where the roots of the 2014 Maydown come from. They realized that they can do whatever they want, they won't get anything.
  13. Alex66
    Alex66 April 6 2021 13: 20
    -1
    Or maybe it's not Lukashenko and not Yanukovych, maybe it's about what is happening in Russia itself, what we have better for the sake of which it would be worthwhile to link our fate with us and not with Europe or the United States. We still cannot clearly explain to the citizens of our country what awaits them and their children in the future. Once again, why should we unite?
  14. Xenofont
    Xenofont April 6 2021 16: 09
    +1
    With regard to Luka, a good "bearded" anecdote about a peasant who served a ruble to the same beggar on Saturdays on Saturdays. One fine day he turns to a beggar and, having explained that due to life circumstances and the appearance of a family, he will be able to give him only half a dollar, he leaves. The beggar turns to his neighbor and says with indignation: -No, have you seen? !!! I also have to support his family!
  15. Maks1995
    Maks1995 April 6 2021 16: 13
    -1
    Some kind of bullshit comes out.

    All the media write about the concessions of the Russian Federation to the Republic of Belarus, how Lukashenka knocked out money there, knocked out concessions there, won everyone there ... yes, he made deals
    And the author writes that it is worse than Yanukovych, that he blew everything out, and lives in Rostov, surrounded by ...

    And it seemed that everything seemed to be a stream of media promises - we would punish Old Man for 33 heroes, press him to the nail, everyone forgot about the Chopovites ...
  16. nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 6 2021 16: 14
    0
    We swallow what kind of porridge they put in our mouths. We don't know a lot. And all sorts of authors play on this. Yes, Lukashenko is an inconvenient partner for us. But Belarus has our bases on its territory. And Ukraine will go to war against us. .If foreign policy is only convenient for our business, then there is nothing good to expect. Especially in our troubled times.
  17. pyagomail.ru
    pyagomail.ru April 6 2021 16: 26
    0
    If we recall all the unfriendly statements of Lukashenka about Russia and the Russians, starting with the seemingly innocent one: “Belarusians are the same Russians, but with a quality mark” (like, we, Russians, “the third grade is not a marriage”) and ending with his hysteria around 30 "Wagnerians" (I never apologized to them!), then I would compare him with Poroshenko, although Yanukovych is not my hero.
  18. T.A.V.
    T.A.V. April 6 2021 22: 06
    0
    Nothing is clear, but very interesting.
    A pile of words.
  19. hound
    hound April 7 2021 19: 51
    0
    Quote: 210ox
    These orders allowed to restore order and preserve the state.

    Oh well. These orders have YET allowed personal power to be maintained. And if you consider it orderly when a person can be sent to Schutzhaft, then comments are unnecessary.