The Foreign Ministries of Germany and France do not comment on the disappearance of the tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from storage sites, but they "closely monitor the movements of Russian troops."

The ministries of France and Germany issued a joint statement on the situation in the Donbass. Representatives of the parties in the so-called Normandy Group said that Paris and Berlin are concerned about the growing number of ceasefire violations along the contact line in Donbas.

The joint statement says that "Berlin and Paris are closely monitoring the movements of Russian troops," and also monitoring the situation in the Donbass.

From a statement by the foreign ministers of Germany and France:

We call on both sides for restraint and immediate de-escalation.

In Kiev, meanwhile, they said that "by doing so, Europe has shown support for Ukraine."

However, European experts, commenting on the statements about "close monitoring of the movement of Russian troops", note a clear "one-sidedness". In particular, it was noted in the European blogosphere that some time ago the OSCE special monitoring mission published a report in which it was indicated that “the disappearance of almost a hundred tanks and other armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from storage locations. " In this regard, the Foreign Ministers of the Federal Republic of Germany and France were asked why, in the case of the OSCE SMM report, they did not receive any reaction, no comments?

Indeed, then the heads of diplomacy of the European countries participating in the Normandy format ignored the report of the OSCE monitoring group. Until now, the OSCE does not have exact data as to where the armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were sent from the places of regulated storage.

It should be noted that for some reason in Berlin and Paris they did not declare their readiness to “monitor the situation”, when numerous footage of the transfer of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles of the Ukrainian armed forces by rail appeared in the Ukrainian segment of social networks.

Comments

[knn54]

-... "thereby in Europe they demonstrated support for Ukraine."
Oh. There will be sanctions to the last Ukrainian.

[Ruslan Sulima]

Oh. There will be sanctions to the last Ukrainian.

Yes, God forgive me, the Ukrainians have done well. How else to understand the abrupt shift in rhetoric from militancy to defense?

[210ox]

They will also declare themselves the winners. They say they thwarted Moscow's plans to seize nenki.

[venik]

Quote: 210ox

They will also declare themselves the winners. They say they thwarted Moscow's plans to seize nenki.

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And there is no doubt about that !!! They have already "won" so many times ...
As in that "bearded" anecdote of Soviet times: "Yes, if at that time I had such a newspaper, no one would have known that I had lost the battle of Waterloo!"

[Vladimir Mashkov]

We "saw" the movement of Russian troops, but "did not see" the movement of Ukrainian troops ... There is informational support for Ukraine and the anti-Russian position of the governments of France and Germany. Is it surprising? No!

[GYGOLA]

There is informational support for Ukraine and the anti-Russian position of the governments of France and Germany. Is it surprising? No!

In my opinion, our Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the government of the Russian Federation are still surprising. Well, at least the words "unacceptable" and "unacceptable" began to be forgotten in view of their uselessness, but this is not certain ...

[Starover_Z]

some time ago the special monitoring mission of the OSCE published a report in which it was noted that "the disappearance of almost a hundred tanks and other armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from storage sites." In this regard, the Foreign Ministers of the Federal Republic of Germany and France were asked: why, in the case of the OSCE SMM report, they did not receive any reaction, no comments?

And what a reaction can be if foreign military advisers in Ukraine are certainly their citizens who are far from low-sitting!

[Gardener91]

Quote: Starover_Z

"The disappearance of almost a hundred tanks and other armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from storage sites." In this regard, the Foreign Ministers of the Federal Republic of Germany and France were asked why, in the case of the OSCE SMM report, they did not receive any reaction, no comments?

Why is it incomprehensible? There is no reaction, well, after all, the Ukrainian armored vehicles went to defend!

[Machito]

OSCE, PACE, European Union, NSDPD, SS, THIRD REICH, FOURTH, what's the difference? One word .... Euro-fascists.

[Gardener91]

Quote: Ruslan Sulima

How else to understand the abrupt shift in rhetoric from militancy to defense?

The overseas can "enlightened" by telephone message.

[Prisoner]

It was already "the whole world with us" so what? Life doesn’t teach a damn thing to fools.

[210ox]

Actually, this "world" is slowly throwing weapons at them, teaching them. So they have support.

[Insurgent]

The Foreign Ministries of Germany and France do not comment on the disappearance of the tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from storage sites, but "Closely follow the movements of Russian troops"


"I remember all your cracks ... La-la-la ... Why?"

[Ruslan Sulima]

Actually, this "world" is slowly throwing weapons at them, teaching them. So they have support.

Just not in the horse feed, I clearly see this from my side)

[210ox]

Well, God forbid. Of course you know better.

[Gardener91]

Quote: Ruslan Sulima

Just not in the horse feed, I clearly see this from my side)

And who will be the most likely enemy in the not too distant past, to teach "... military affairs in a real way"? God forbid, they will teach against themselves, because the historically formed contingent of "trainees" is still the same.

[Prisoner]

Well, did it help them? Have you started to live better? You can't put gun grease on bread and you can't eat plastic.

[210ox]

They did not live better. As well as we. I am not at all interested in their standard of living, there is no indignation, so it suits them. First of all, what worries us is what we have.

[Prisoner]

Familiar song. Whenever I started a discussion with a certain type of gentlemen, from those who like to compare the Russian "Mordor" and the "bright" American democratic "kingdom of fairies and elves", they hammered with examples and arguments from the beautiful American reality. As soon as they received counter-arguments and evidence that something was wrong there and cleanly and blissfully, they immediately began a familiar tune, they say our life is important to them, and not American. Although a few minutes before that they were "drowned" just for the United States. Amusing. ps I apologize for the comparison with such unworthy subjects, but it is very similar.

[210ox]

And what have you to do with the opinion of idiots who have only "sweet western life" on their minds? I personally don't care how they live there. The main thing is that here, in Russia, the level should grow and not decrease (purchasing power in particular). Tell me more that everything is fine with us, people are not constantly in search of earnings, the economy is growing by leaps and bounds. However, all this has nothing to do with the article. I have already said that judging by the reaction THERE, the inhabitants of this territory are happy with everything. Yes, and more. I wonder when I drowned it for the USA?

[Prisoner]

Did I say that they "drowned"? Besides, I apologized for the comparison. It looks like you did it. As for all that is beautiful ... No where and never is everything beautiful. A life.

[businessv]

Quote: 210ox

First of all, what worries us is what we have.

We have at our side a state ruled by our direct enemies! In my opinion, this cannot but worry. Although, if you live beyond the Urals, then of course there are other problems, especially if they are not related to the Russian budget.

Quote: 210ox

They did not live better. As well as we.

We didn’t, of course, but we were left with the Black Sea Fleet base and the Crimea itself, this is differently better than if there was a striped base there! As for the neighbors and the lack of indignation regarding their lives, this does not mean that they are satisfied with everything. This means that if their oligarchs are squeezed out of media resources, and they cannot even utter a word, what can we say about ordinary people and their capabilities against armed, stubborn Nazis?

[210ox]

Certainly better. Moreover, I live near the Crimea and often go there. But the question was not about Crimea and Sevastopol.

[businessv]

Quote: 210ox

But the question was not about Crimea and Sevastopol.

Yes, and I wrote about what to worry about)))

[venik]

Quote: 210ox

They did not live better. As well as we. I am not at all interested in their standard of living, there is no indignation, so it suits them. First of all, what worries us is what we have.

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What a familiar "song" !!! Banal philistine selfishness raised to the degree of an end in itself and the meaning of life!
Sorry for you, you unfortunate person:
"..A person who thinks only of himself and seeks his own benefit in everything cannot be happy!..... "(Seneca, junior)

[210ox]

And with what fright I have to think about others. All the more so about the citizens of an enemy state. And yes, the well-being of my family and loved ones is naturally closer to me. Don't you?

[venik]

Quote: 210ox

And with what fright I have to think about others. ..... And yes, I am naturally closer to the well-being of my family and loved ones. Don't you?

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Personally, I am not quite satisfied with the size of my pension ... But if the size of the pension was raised ONLY personally For me, and my neighbor on the staircase and an old friend (like my other friends) would have remained WITHOUT a promotion - it WOULD NOT MAKE me ANYTHING! I would refuse such a "promotion"!
Although of course you will be difficult believe it! (just, probably, we were told DIFFERENT fairy tales in childhood!)

[210ox]

Do you have a neighbor who is a pensioner of another state? If they raise them, then everyone. True, some more, some less. You gave the wrong example. And if you take the working people, then I really don't care how much my neighbor earns. If he is on one salary and sometimes drinks on drink (by the way, my neighbors are all hardworking and normal), and I provide my family with three jobs (well, two and a half in reality). Would you take with your philosophy (it is not for this disgusting capitalism) to support the family of a neighbor (well, after all, something in his life did not work out?)

[venik]

Quote: Captive

It was already "the whole world with us" so what? Life doesn’t teach a damn thing to fools.

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Well, it has long been known: An intelligent person learns from other people's mistakes, an ordinary person - from his own ... And only a frank durak does not even draw conclusions from own mistakes!

[KAV]

Quote: venik

Well, it has been known for so long: An intelligent person learns from other people's mistakes, an ordinary person learns from his own ... And only an outspoken durak does not even draw conclusions from his own mistakes!

There is a more correct version of the saying: Only fools believe that the smart learn from the mistakes of others. For, the human essence is such that it is not possible to learn from the mistakes of others.

[210ox]

You correctly noted that about perhaps and hope. Therefore, I do not hope that there will be any positive changes.

[rotmistr60]

At the Foreign Ministries of Germany and France ...

The two countries, which, on equal terms with Russia, are the guarantors of the implementation of the Minsk agreements from the very beginning have placed all the responsibility on the shoulders of Russia, and with all their statements showing that it is a party to the conflict. "Russia must ...., Russia must ..., Russia is violating ..." and so on. sounds from every German-French iron. G-yes, I am not asking if you have a conscience, tk. it is useless to be interested in what is not observed, but at least a little, a little logic in your minds?

[alex neym_2]

When will we hear from the lips of gay Europeans that Ukraine SHOULD comply with the Minsk agreements? I think that there is no hope - Geyropa is a blind and deaf black grouse, if he cannot (does not want) to find hundreds of tanks of the Ukrainian Armed Forces: the conclusion is ash-tree stump ... Russia "disguised" ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: aleks neym_2

When will we hear from the lips of gay Europeans that Ukraine SHOULD comply with the Minsk agreements?

Neither the heroes nor the mattresses are profitable. The constantly smoldering conflict is beneficial to them. Mattress toppers are even hotter. So, in any case, they will look with one eye - I see on the right, I don't see on the left.

[antivirus]

The EU needs an outskirts market .. anything that helps sales is useful. and comments to the RF.
if the Russian market is needed, then they will notice anything among the Kochs.

[vik669]

The EU needs a market on the outskirts - what and with whom to trade, if only in lace panties

[alex neym_2]

Ukraine is being poured out all sorts of shit ... not consumer, but she is happy (RADA) - oh what kickbacks ...

[vik669]

The Foreign Ministries of Germany and France ... would have remembered 1814 and 1945 - when it was not necessary to follow, everything was in place - look and remember, but it seems they have forgotten ...!

[avia12005]

Take Russia to Berlin and Paris. She's too big to pay attention to.

[210ox]

You explain this to our drivers. They hang out with them. So they don’t give a damn about Gayrope. This is for us, ordinary people, she walked and traveled.

[Cat]

Take Russia to Berlin and Paris

Do you have a business in Germany? Children abroad do not study? And there aren't even vineyards in France? Then you can sneeze to your health!
But those who have - they are like that patient from the anecdote, who was given a laxative instead of drops from a cold: "there, standing near the pillar, afraid to sneeze"

[Vladimir_2U]

The photo looks like a T-80BV, does VNAU have them?

[figwam]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

The photo looks like a T-80BV, does VNAU have them?

Yes, there are T-80b and T-80bv, supposedly restored about 30 pieces of both modifications.
An interesting photo of our T-80 tank with the Burlak turret has appeared.

[210ox]

I wonder what's in the rear of the tower? KAZ?

[figwam]

Quote: 210ox

I wonder what's in the rear of the tower? KAZ?

I think both the KAZ and the turret automatic loader.

[_Ugene_]

there is no kaz, there is a second automatic loader with ammunition, in Burlak there are two automatic loaders, one in a replaceable refueling complex on the rear of the tower, the second at the bottom of the hull, but where are these barge haulers? there are no them, maybe a few pieces for the whole army

[Dmitry Vladimirovich]

Quote: figvam

An interesting photo of our T-80 tank with the Burlak turret has appeared.

Quote: figvam

Quote: Vladimir_2U

The photo looks like a T-80BV, does VNAU have them?

Yes, there are T-80b and T-80bv, supposedly restored about 30 pieces of both modifications.
An interesting photo of our T-80 tank with the Burlak turret has appeared.

The tower is oriented in the direction of travel - it will close the mechanical drive hatch ...

[figwam]

Quote: Dmitry Vladimirovich

The tower is oriented in the direction of travel - it will close the mechanical drive hatch ...

No, there the lower part of the tower is lifted up.

[iouris]

It is high time to stop trying to negotiate with them or to please them. They made a decision a long time ago, developed a strategy and started implementation. Disappeared tanks must be destroyed by the guarantor (if he is the guarantor). You still have to fight. You need to start when it is convenient for you, and not wait until they choose a convenient moment.

[210ox]

This should have been done in 2014, but now, alas. The man in the case is the guarantor.

[iouris]

Quote: 210ox

The man in the case is the guarantor.

Heavy, you, Monomakh's hat. There is no such instrument for a slave to judge a king.
Time will tell. I think the result will not be long. They have been waiting for something for 20 years.

Quote: 210ox

This should have been done in 2014.

The giraffe is big: he knows better.

[210ox]

The result is most likely known. Another talking shop, signing papers .. And everything is as usual. A truce for a month or two, then the same canoe. Meanwhile, the APU will continue to strengthen. But then, if you have to hack to death, then there will be big losses on our side.

[Alexy]

We must openly call a spade a spade. Europe and the states are not our partners, and they never were. They are outright enemies, and the rhetoric of our authorities should be appropriate.

[sabakina]

The joint statement says that "Berlin and Paris are closely monitoring the movements of Russian troops," and also monitoring the situation in the Donbass.

Gentlemen scouts from Germany and France! Stop sharing information taken from social networks to your management! Otherwise, you will get to the bottom of the fact that:

[tralflot1832]

About tanks ukrovermacht this is not at all the same, they will still say!

[musorg]

Well, that's about this and I must tell Mikron that Kiev has long since moved from the places assigned to it much closer to the LPNR. And what then can the president talk to them about? Do both sides know what it really is, but they say something and is it politics?

[purple]

I don’t understand one thing ... how is Germany on the side ... and excuse me ... France?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

And in general, I do not understand what you can talk about with Germany or France if they are vassals of the United States?

[Ruslan Sulima]

Zombies, real zombies with only one goal ahead ...

[rocket757]

The Foreign Ministries of Germany and France do not comment on the disappearance of the tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from storage sites, but they "closely monitor the movements of Russian troops."

... There is nothing to discuss here either. Let's see how further events will unfold.

[camo ridges]

We must not disappoint our Western "partners"
since all the same kind words from them never
hear, and focus on the border with ukrami
so much equipment that did not leave
would have doubts about the imminent Bandera death.
Anyway, if they get insolent, the question of coercion
Ukraine to the world should be discussed already in order
practical feasibility ...

[cniza]

It should be noted that for some reason in Berlin and Paris they did not declare their readiness to “monitor the situation”, when numerous footage of the transfer of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles of the Ukrainian armed forces by rail appeared in the Ukrainian segment of social networks.

All their insides are in this, which means they also participate in the murders of civilians and children ...

[Jaromir]

From a statement by the foreign ministers of Germany and France:

We call on both sides for restraint and immediate de-escalation.

Address your demands to Washington. It is Washington that is the head of the occupying power in Ukraine.

[poquello]

"Berlin and Paris are closely following the movements of Russian troops"

[Insurgent]

Quote: poquello

"Berlin and Paris are closely following the movements of Russian troops"

Zelensky seeks EU consultations

[Jaromir]

The OSCE has published a report in which it was noted that "the disappearance of almost a hundred tanks and other armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from storage sites"

They just disappeared. Nothing disappeared anywhere. Armored vehicles are not a needle in a haystack. Most likely, the Bandera occupation army transferred armored vehicles to the line of demarcation in Donbass. The occupants are preparing to attack the People's Republics.

[Ros 56]

Let them not forget Putin's words: what the hell is such a world for us if Russia is not there.

[Herman 4223]

I think the blow to the Ukrainian army will take place when the political situation in Russia starts to swing or on the threshold of this to pull the power and patriotic component out of the country.

[xorek]

Quote: Herman 4223

I think the blow to the Ukrainian army will take place when the political situation in Russia starts to swing or on the threshold of this to pull the power and patriotic component out of the country.

Think right ... They just won't climb, somewhere there will be a blow at the same time and most likely bloody .. These bastards will not forgive us laughing at DB (D. Biden and their liberal pack in the media, etc.) Everything in general is very serious .. the fifth column will be raise and "sleeping agents of influence." You need to wait for a blow from any side! I hope we can stand it.
PS Commander, we are surrounded ... Okay, so we will attack in all directions ..

[VORON538]

If so September-October
State Duma elections
Then they can start
This is in the event that they will not wait for 2024, most likely they will not wait for it.

[Herman 4223]

They are already gathering strength. In support of Navalny, they are going to withdraw 500 people. They want to cling to the street. The year will be hot.

[xorek]

We call on both sides for restraint and immediate de-escalation.

With France, everything is clear ... But why are the Germans getting into this again? Or remind them what they were doing and who were the Bandera in their service? Forgotten or someone is pushing them again into a conflict with Russia .. Who is this behind-the-scenes puppeteer interesting?

[Lister]

Quote: xorek

Who is this behind-the-scenes puppeteer wondering?

There is only one puppeteer. And there is a puppeteer in the USA, somewhere on Wall Street ...

[Bshkaus]

Stop poking your finger at each other "And Vaska was the first to start ..."
Either let's start the fight like an adult, or we go quietly.
I appeal to both sides of the conflict, otherwise I'm really tired of it.

[Brturin]

The ministries of France and Germany issued a joint statement on the situation in the Donbass.

Something in the world is changing, but something ... From Dostoevsky's Diaries for 1876 ... if we ignore the "brothers" and simply replace with modern realities - a conference on the Normandy format. Porto to ...., Bulgarians to Donetsk ... which, in principle, has changed ...
Again the British will intrigue and point out to us, who will again imagine that they are so afraid. Even some France with a proud and pompous look will declare its word at the conference and "what it wants or does not want", whereas - what is France for us and why should we know what it wants or does not want there? Now is not the fifty-third year, and perhaps there has never been a moment for Russia in which her enemies would have been more harmless to her. But let, let diplomacy reign again, to the consolation of our Petersburg lovers. But Bulgaria, Slavs, what will become of them in these two months, that's the question? here, after all, it is a vital matter that does not wait a minute. What will become of them in these two months? Again, maybe Bulgarian blood will flow! After all, Porta will need to prove to her software that it was not out of cowardice that she accepted the ultimatum; Bulgaria will pay the price: "We are not afraid, they say, of the Russians, if we cut the Bulgarians at the very conference." Well, what will we do in such a case, which is so possible? Let us state our indignation right there at the conference? But Porta will at once get away from the beating, blame everything on the Bulgarians themselves, perhaps still assume a nobly offended look and hastily appoint a commission of inquiry: "Here, they say, gentlemen, representatives of Europe, you see for yourself how Russia offends me and how nagging at me!" Meanwhile, the Bulgarians will cut and cut everything, and the European press, perhaps, will again support the Bashi-bazouks, say that Russia is finding fault out of ambition, deliberately intriguing against the conference and wants war ...

[orionvitt]

In Kiev, meanwhile, they said that "thereby in Europe they demonstrated support for Ukraine."

Of course, after all, only Russia is a "party to the conflict", and democratic Europe "does not choose" any side and "does not support" anyone. You can even say, "holy people", God forgive me. Lying two-faced creatures.

[Evil 55]

In the photo there is a T-80 ... a flying tank ... to see, flew away from storage places ... in spring, even 80s take their wings, just to get rid of the hated regime ..

[Vasyan1971]

In this regard, the Foreign Ministers of the Federal Republic of Germany and France were asked why, in the case of the OSCE SMM report, they did not receive any reaction, no comments?

Because a crow is a crow ...

[svoit]

Why, in the case of the OSCE SMM report, they did not receive any reaction, no comments?

They are the same "guarantors" of agreements, like Russia, ready to close their eyes to everything.

[Vadim Ananyin]

Their peacekeeping institutions had behaved this way before, long before the independent events.
The surprise of the Europeans is not understandable. These are structures built under NATO and the Brussels Regional Committee.

[Alex M]

"Until now, the OSCE does not have exact data as to where the armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were sent from the places of regulated storage."
The OSCE requires an ophthalmologist with a search dog to determine the real locations of the Armed Forces equipment and manpower ...