Ukrainian ex-intelligence officer: They take us in a half-ring

Russia is concentrating its army near the "Ukrainian borders", explaining this transfer by conducting exercises. At the same time, the Donbass republics note the strengthening of the Armed Forces grouping near the demarcation line and are preparing for defense.

Ukrainian ex-intelligence officer Andriy Rymaruk, now working for the Come Back Alive charity foundation, said that this is due to the allegedly preparing a full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine and the Kremlin's desire to expand the "captured" territories.

He notes that more and more videos appear on the Internet showing the movement of convoys of equipment of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. For some reason, Rymaruk is especially worried that the transfer is taking place completely openly. Although, it would seem, much more concern should have been caused by the covert movements of troops.

The retired "fighter of the invisible front" noted that the number of equipment and military personnel in the Russian border regions has increased significantly. He is also worried about the joint exercises of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and Belarus, as well as the transfer of heavy military equipment to the Crimean Peninsula.

They take us in a semicircle

- Rymaruk sounds the alarm, claiming that Russia can attack "both from the north and from the south." The reasoning says that “the territory of Belarus can also be used”. It is strange that in Ukraine they were suddenly so worried about the transfer of Russian troops, because before that, for 7 years they had declared that they were "waging a war with Russia."

According to the former intelligence officer, the Ukrainian General Staff understands the increased danger, therefore, they are considering the possibility of quick mobilization of reservists and pulling troops closer to the Donbass and the borders of the Russian Federation.

Comments

[Insurgent]

Ukrainian ex-intelligence officer: They take us in a half-ring

Help! We are surrounded!

Yes ... There will be nowhere to run. It is unlikely that the EU will open its borders to the crowds of Bandera.

And the fact that they will run is a fact confirmed by Mariupol in 2014, when only at hints, rows of banderlog pulled out of the city, and they began to dig trenches near Zaporozhye
and mine your own fields ...

And figs with them, with fields. They don't sow, they don't plow anyway ...

[hrych]

Quote: Insurgent

There will be nowhere to run

The transfer of equipment and the threat of flank attacks are very useful in themselves. Broad strategists, though famous for their tricks, although hope for NATO instructors, should understand that in a threatening direction they will have to keep the grouping, divert forces and means from other directions. Those. The Russian Federation is also expanding the front line, stretching the forces of the Bandera forces and not allowing them to concentrate forces in a specific direction with an imitation of the main attack elsewhere, which also requires manpower and resources. In part, Barabuska's plan has already been violated and a new plan needs to be made up, to change the disposition.

[Insurgent]

Quote: hrych

In part, Barabuska's plan has already been violated and a new plan needs to be made up, to change the disposition.

This is what worries me ...

If the movement of echelons with equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was somehow tracked to the points of unloading, then further equipment - "disappeared" ...
I understand that the intelligence of the DPR, LPR and the Russian Federation has all the data, but something else is annoying

So, for example, back in the years 14-16 from the occupied territory of Donbass, some information was received from the residents about the movement of the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but now it is practically SILENCE.

What's the matter ? Did the dill hide the redeployment so carefully and skillfully, or did they crush the people so much by terror that they are afraid?

[hrych]

Quote: Insurgent

the intelligence of the DPR, LPR and the Russian Federation has all the data

This is the main thing. I believe that the plan of attack and the date were thwarted and Biden's call to Anika the warrior on the fact of a new date. Ground problem. If Gordon's date corresponded to when the ground was frozen, then now the porridge-malasha begins and we should rather wait for May. The problem is that keeping ukrovoy for months is very expensive for the poor, and confusion with vacillation will undermine the already low morale of the personnel. And waiting for a fight is stress, worse than the fight itself. Equipment in this mode does not stand idle, but spends fuel and lubricants, etc. Also, concentration and unsanitary conditions during a pandemic can help the coronavirus to cut the APU. Now we understand that the purchase of a livestock vaccine is small and expensive, but for the Ukrainian Armed Forces, just by order. There must be a certain death rate from this vaccine. Also, when the initial date was disrupted, the NATO ships left the World Cup. Also LDNR mobilized, took up positions, volunteers and reservists pulled up. I think Zelensky is in horror and panic, and then the question of the PRC begins, which begins to react harshly to bidenmaras and blinkinzakidons. With Motorsich, it is a matter of principle and, in essence, a challenge to China before the eyes of the World.

[hydrox]

Quote: hrych

With MotorSich - a matter of principle

It will be fun when the militia will take Melitopol.
How then will they talk to the PRC when:
1. Motor Sich and the Novorossiysk Administration itself are needed.
2. And the Zelenov guys pocketed the money - for what to give ??

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Insurgent

Quote: hrych

In part, Barabuska's plan has already been violated and a new plan needs to be made up, to change the disposition.

This is what worries me ...
If the movement of echelons with equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was somehow tracked to the points of unloading, then further equipment - "disappeared" ...
I understand that the intelligence of the DPR, LPR and the Russian Federation has all the data, but something else strains ... So, for example, back in the years 14-16 from the occupied territory of Donbass, some information was received from the residents about the movement of the forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but now it is almost SILENCE.
What's the matter ? Dill hide the redeployment so carefully and skillfully , or have people been crushed by terror to such a degree that they are afraid?

Here below the colleague "Hrych" correctly wrote

The problem is that keeping ukrovoy for months is very expensive for the poor, and confusion with vacillation will undermine the already low morale of the personnel. And waiting for a fight is stress, worse than the fight itself. Equipment in this mode does not stand idle, but spends fuel and lubricants, etc. Also, concentration and unsanitary conditions during a pandemic can help the coronavirus to cut the APU.

In this connection, I can assume that these trains are driven to the front line during the day, and at night they are dragged to the starting line in order to move back to the front line in the morning, thereby wishing to demonstrate the concentration of forces in the de-escalation zone and cause retaliatory measures from Russia, in order to to show the world a picture of another "act of aggression" from the northern neighbor. Along the way, the juntik coped with this task, since the owner called Ze and scratched him behind his ear with the telephone receiver.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Here below the colleague "Hrych" correctly wrote
The problem is that keeping ukrovoisk for months is very expensive for the poor and confusion with vacillation will undermine the already low morale of the personnel. AND waiting for a fight is stressful, worse than the fight itself.

In the Chernihiv region, a soldier of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "self-sawed" | Russian spring

On Friday morning, April 2, one of the contract servicemen committed suicide at the Desna training center in the Chernihiv region. He arrived for training a month ago.

This is reported on the training center's Facebook page.

“The 1996 serviceman in the unit was characterized as a quiet, calm loner, not conflicted. The reason for this is not known.

Now the investigative group of the Kozeletsky regional department of the National Police of Ukraine is working in the Chernihiv region, ”the message says.

In addition, it is noted that the soldier had prepared a bullet for suicide earlier. "A preliminary check of ammunition and cartridge cases from the scene showed that cartridges of this series were not issued in the classroom," the training center added.

[Nyrobsky]

Yes, I know. Here they had the second crossbow in a week happened. Prior to that, one "zhisnik" in the dugout, on camera, inserted it into his chin from a machine gun at the "brothers-in-law" and no one pulled him back. filmed and encouraged. This cannot be attributed to an "enemy" sniper.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Prior to that, one "zhisnik" in the dugout, on camera, put it in his chin from a machine gun at the "brothers-in-arms" and no one tugged him. filmed and encouraged. This cannot be attributed to the "enemy" sniper.

So freaked out ... Who is there to "pull"?

[Olkhovsky]

In the Chernihiv region, a soldier of the Armed Forces of Ukraine "self-sawed" | Russian spring

On Friday morning, April 2, one of the contract servicemen committed suicide at the Desna training center in the Chernihiv region. He arrived for training a month ago.

This is reported on the training center's Facebook page.

“The 1996 serviceman in the unit was characterized as a quiet, calm loner, not conflicted. The reason for this is not known.

Now the investigative group of the Kozeletsky regional department of the National Police of Ukraine is working in the Chernihiv region, ”the message says.

In addition, it is noted that the soldier had prepared a bullet for suicide earlier. "A preliminary check of ammunition and cartridge cases from the scene showed that cartridges of this series were not issued in the classroom," the training center added.

I watched the video with this incident, he was on drugs and his two friends, too, who encouraged him - "shoot, shoot." It's not a pity, they have more such heroes.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Nyrobsky

In this regard, I can assume that these trains are driven to the front line during the day, and at night they are dragged to the starting line, in order to move back to the front line in the morning, thereby wishing to demonstrate the concentration of forces

Such tricks were successful during the Second World War.
Now such jokes are no longer relevant.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Alexey Sommer

Such tricks were successful during the Second World War.
Now such jokes are no longer relevant.

So where does the equipment go after unloading from the train? The insurgent asked exactly about this. I outlined my assumption. Do you have your own version?

[hydrox]

They just don't unload it, but drag it onto the mine access roads ...

[bayard]

They hide.
In granaries and buildings of former factories and mines, in boxes of car fleets and in large warehouses, where it is possible to hide equipment from satellites and drones.
Sometimes it is possible to find such places on the tracks of the caterpillar tracks. They are clearly visible.

[bayard]

Quote: Insurgent

What's the matter ? Did the dill hide the redeployment so carefully and skillfully, or did they crush the people so much by terror that they are afraid?

How could it be otherwise? 7 years of war, regular purges, total control of social networks and phones ... and the fact that people are already tired and do not really believe that we (DNR) or Russia will finally end the fascist regime.
Well, not to raise an uprising? Without the slightest chance of success ...
And those who are supposed to know everything that is necessary.
If a decision is made to end this rampant state terrorism in the former Ukraine and to return the Russian lands and Russian people to the bosom of the united Russian State, I think it will be like in Odessa after the liberation, when the population itself hung up all the policemen and kolabaranta who collaborated with the occupiers, for those three days, until Soviet troops entered Odessa, abandoned by the Romanians and Germans.
Remember the last elections in the former Ukraine, the presidential elections, when they voted not for a clown at all, but AGAINST Poroshenko. It was a protest vote. So 75% of the population is waiting for and accepting liberation as RELEASE.
If only the decision was made.

[Insurgent]

Quote: bayard

How could it be otherwise? 7 years of war, regular purges, total control of social networks and phones ... and the fact that people are already tired and do not really believe that we (DNR) or Russia will finally end the fascist regime.
Well, not to raise an uprising? Without the slightest chance of success ...
And those who are supposed to know everything that is necessary.
If a decision is made to end this rampant state terrorism in the former Ukraine and to return the Russian lands and Russian people to the bosom of the united Russian State, I think it will be like in Odessa after the liberation, when the population itself hung up all the policemen and kolabaranta who collaborated with the occupiers, for those three days, until Soviet troops entered Odessa, abandoned by the Romanians and Germans.
Remember the last elections in the former Ukraine, the presidential elections, when they voted not for a clown at all, but AGAINST Poroshenko. It was a protest vote. So 75% of the population is waiting for and accepting liberation as RELEASE.
If only the decision was made.

All 100 - I agree.

[fruc]

They take us in a semicircle
- Rymaruk sounds the alarm, claiming that Russia can attack "both from the north and from the south."

Specifically, this ukroidiotu can be advised to stock up on vodka with grub and sit in a "deep defense" to repel attacks from the flanks.

[hrych]

Quote: frruc

"Both from the north and from the south."

Their commanders drew conclusions on the Ilovaisky, Izvarinsky and Debaltsevsky cauldrons, where they cooked kulesh from maidons, but morally and physically they were not ready for a big cauldron. Super duper (Trump) to the cauldron, which is clearly identified.

[210ox]

Yeah. The blows of squirrels and devils.

[Insurgent]

Quote: 210ox

Yeah. The blows of squirrels and devils.

We will not call the devils, but the squirrel is the one to help us

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: hrych

The transfer of equipment and the threat of flank attacks are very useful in themselves. Broad strategists, although they are famous for their tricks, although rather hope for NATO instructors, must understand that in a threatening direction they will have to keep the grouping, divert forces and means from other directions. Those. The Russian Federation is also expanding the front line,

The Great Ukr-scout Rymaruk is right in some ways, but in vain he is hysterical and indignant: you are ... extremely arrogant, but stupid ... creatures open warned that will be with you in case of an attempt to attack the Donbass!

[hydrox]

Wait: it dries up - they will run ...

[fruc]

Ukrainian ex-intelligence officer: They take us in a half-ring .....

They are taken into the egg, not into the ring.

[figwam]

Quote: Insurgent

Yes ... there will be nowhere to run

It's a shame that a blue helicopter will arrive and take the top to Canada.

[knn54]

Something like the movie "Love and Doves". I remembered: "Run, Uncle Mity:!" ... Until the half-ring.

[Ruslan Sulima]

Something like the movie "Love and Doves". I remembered: "Run, Uncle Mity:!" ... Until the half-ring.

This is their problem! The fools do not understand that I am not going to run anywhere.

[Thrifty]

Aha, "insidious Russia" is guilty of everything, it also pulls its equipment to its borders!

[lopvlad]

Quote: Insurgent

There will be nowhere to run. It is unlikely that the EU will open its borders to the crowds of Bandera.

it is unnecessary to drive the rat into a corner, drive them all to Galicia and let them build a banderstat there, devouring each other.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Well ... Now they pour out of all the irons that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will attack before May 2, then intelligence reports that the Armed Forces of Ukraine went on the defensive. And who to believe?
But as for me - you can not trust anyone with the prefix "ex". Ex-presidents, ex-ministers, ex-intelligence officers ...
For the sake of not going into circulation, they will weave anything!

[Insurgent]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

Well ... Now they pour out of all the irons that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will attack before May 2, then intelligence reports that the Armed Forces of Ukraine went on the defensive. And who to believe?

So then, Leader, Okrainsky ex-ravedun's report
He could not say anything else, because the banderlog ...


А YOU , whose intelligence reported that ukrovermacht went on the defensive? Where did you get this, from what sources?

Share your knowledge

[Thrifty]

Instrugent is in the morning in the morning from each coffee maker broadcasts, you do not see a coffee maker, so you "do not know"!

[Insurgent]

Quote: Thrifty

Instrugent is in the morning in the morning from each coffee maker broadcasts, you do not see a coffee maker, so you "do not know"!

The insurgent is not in the know, and therefore does not know about their perversions.

And this is how the Leader, who settled in the Moscow region, knows what the ukrop kavovarka is singing about ?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Leader of the Redskins

But as for me - you can not trust anyone with the prefix "ex". Ex-presidents, ex-ministers, ex-intelligence officers ...

Especially you cannot trust ex Gorbachev, ex Kravchuk and ex Shushkevich.

[Insurgent]

Quote: tihonmarine

Especially you cannot trust ex Gorbachev, ex Kravchuk and ex Shushkevich.

And the ex-hulks who moved to Russia, but remained in the pro-outskirts position ...

Whom he touches, he himself will understand

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Insurgent

But in order not to stick out, "minus" on the sly and merged ...

And no longer alone, they divorced ...

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Insurgent

But in order not to stick out, "minus" on the sly and merged ...

And no longer alone, they divorced ...

They have grown here like cockroaches in a heating main!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: 30 vis

They have grown here like cockroaches in a heating main!

Or like lice on a comb.

[Incvizitor]

As in Russia, they shit on the sly without taking off their trousers.

[Ruslan Sulima]

Whom he touches, he will understand yes

Eh ...
This morning I went at the request of my father to cash out my pension.
In the office there is an advertisement, literally I will not give it, the meaning is generally the following "ATO veterans will be helped with the return of unlearned pensions" Wow, damn it, I ask how long ago they began to help ATO veterans? Yes, we are what, we were told, we made an announcement, we ourselves are not helping ...
And you are talking about those who left for Russia, there is still enough at home.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Ruslan Sulima

Eh ...
This morning I went at the request of my father to cash out my pension.
In the office there is an advertisement, I will not give it literally, the meaning in general is as follows "ATO veterans will be helped with the return of unlearned pensions" Wow, damn it, I ask, how long have they started helping ATO veterans? Yes, we are what, we were told, we made an announcement, we ourselves are not helping ...
And you are talking about those who left for Russia, there is still enough at home.

I would not let this happen ... We would remove the "advertising" at once, quickly and with an apology. And the "roof" would not help.

[Ruslan Sulima]

I would not let this happen ... We would remove the "advertising" at once, quickly and with an apology. And the "roof" would not help.

Yes, somehow I try to control myself with the civilians) They removed it in my presence, but it's not a fact that after I left, she did not appear in the same place ...

[Insurgent]

Quote: Ruslan Sulima

Yes, somehow I try to control myself with civilians)

No problem ! All this is done politely and tactfully. but convincing. Are we Polite People?

True, for the time being, until they begin to bother us ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Insurgent

And the ex-hulks who moved to Russia, but remained in the pro-outskirts position ...

Rightly noticed.

[Avior]

Then from all the irons they pour that the APU will attack before May 2

this is often written here, they create noise.
On May 2, they will pretend that nothing of the kind happened, no one will eat a hat.

[Prisoner]

It's time to tick Rymaruk. Run, Rymaruk, run. You have two options: to the West to the owners or to the East to sunny Magadan.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Captive

You have two options: to the West to the owners or to the East to sunny Magadan.

There are enough ISIS terrorists in the West, they do not need Bandera terrorists. Magadan is a fabulous place, but on the New Siberian Islands you can make a settlement out of such.

[Grits]

Quote: tihonmarine

Magadan is a fabulous place, but on the New Siberian Islands you can make a settlement out of such.

Basically, any place where the crowbar bounces off the ground will do.

[lucul]

They take us in a semicircle

For 7 years Ukraine has been at war with Russia (according to ukrosmi), and as soon as Russia actually pulled up its troops to the border, ukrplach began immediately. With whom then did Ukraine fight for 7 years? ))))

[Ascold1901]

“Let the dogs say:
"Ay, pug! Know she is strong,
What barks at the Elephant! "" ©
And the dogs, of course, are Geyropa and overseas ... "partners"))))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: lucul

With whom then did Ukraine fight for 7 years? ))))

Well, with these, like Cervantes - windmills, and just like Baron Munchausen was in the war, during which he flew on the cannonball. This is more like a contrived war between Ukraine and Russia, which did not appear in the war, but the Svidomo so wanted them to be offended (the offended are always given freebies and alms at the porch.)

[Insurgent]

Quote: tihonmarine

like Cervantes - windmills, and just like Baron Munchausen was in the war, during which he flew on the cannonball.

Well, both are grotesque, pamphlets. But Baron Munchausen was a real character who took part in the Russian-Turkish war, in a war not invented like this one "Russian - Okrainskaya".

[sabakina]

Vlad, you shouldn't be talking about the baron. Yes, he presented an ultimatum to England, but he presented it on his own behalf, and not on behalf of the entire state. By the way, you can also submit on your own behalf. And all these kernels, half a horse, for hair from the swamp ... Well, it's like hunting tales, everyone has fun and no one is bad. Well, then there was no radio, no TV, especially the Internet. The baron was just a kind and cheerful person.

[sabakina]

Quote: lucul

For 7 years Ukraine has been at war with Russia (according to ukrosmi), and as soon as Russia actually pulled up its troops to the border, ukrplach began immediately. With whom then did Ukraine fight for 7 years? ))))

Well, Don Quixote fought with windmills. Why can't this be done? The main thing here is to paint this action colorfully and in detail.

[Alex_You]

The LPNR and Russia are absolutely sure that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are about to go on the offensive.
In Ukraine, they are absolutely sure that the RF Armed Forces are about to go on the offensive.
Paradox.

[Avior]

Nothing paradoxical
There is just a difference in what the parties really believe and what they say out loud.
But in general, they write that Ukraine has filed a complaint with the Security Council of Defense Forces about the pulling together of Russian troops to the border.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Avior

But in general, they write that Ukraine has filed a complaint with the Security Council of Defense Forces about the pulling together of Russian troops to the border.

After not being answered "Sportloto".

[Avior]

If you are responsible for your words, give a link

[Insurgent]

Quote: Avior

If you are responsible for your words, give a link

To you, for what?
To justify that "The outskirts are sane, did not write to "Sportloto", and has the right to apply to the UN for protection from Russian aggression "?
What is your motive for requesting a link?

I am responsible for saying that the current outskirts are a patient with a headache, for the whole.

[Avior]

That is, there will be no links from you in confirmation?
What should be expected.

[Grits]

Quote: Alex_You

The LPNR and Russia are absolutely sure that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are about to go on the offensive.
In Ukraine, they are absolutely sure that the RF Armed Forces are about to go on the offensive.
Paradox.

And the main thing is that for 7 years no one has moved on the offensive. Although they scared me every month.

[Holuay T.O]

In the event of a war, the first step is to eliminate the highest military and political leadership of Ukraine.
Then to inflict a powerful blow with missiles and the Air Force, and start raid operations with the forces of special forces, the Airborne Forces, the Marine Corps, lightweight motorized rifle brigades and thus knock out their resource
It is not worth going into a frontal breakthrough

[Crimean partisan 1974]

In the event of a war, the first step is to eliminate the highest military and political leadership of Ukraine.

... in no case ..... the junta is already reducing the livestock methodically and confidently ... and in September of this year, the land will be legalized to be sold to foreigners ... so why the special forces marines, sea devils and so on ... ..

[Piramidon]

Quote: Holuay T.O.

the first step is to eliminate the highest military and political leadership of Ukraine.

Which doesn't solve anything. The Washington regional committee in 6 seconds will put a new leadership, which he will lead

[Holuay T.O]

Destruction of the highest military and political leadership decides everything - panic, desertion, loss of control

[Incvizitor]

Decide all the commanders of the Bandera and Amerzian fascists and the clown ... just a clown.

[Grits]

Quote: Holuay T.O.

Destruction of the highest military and political leadership decides everything - panic, desertion, loss of control

Panic and desertion are best caused by the sight of guts ground with black earth on the site of former trenches and melted smoking corpses on burnt armor.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Holuay T.O.

In the event of a war, the first step is to eliminate the highest military and political leadership of Ukraine.

You are straight sir strategist, well, straight pure Napoleon. Good luck in your hard work.

[Holuay T.O]

Tell me where will you hold the meeting? I will not tell anyone...)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Holuay T.O.

Tell me where will you hold the meeting? I will not tell anyone...)

Yes, it looks like you are going to hold a meeting and solve strategic problems. You are our Napoleon in command.

[Holuay T.O]

Yes, I'm not in business, you forgot that in war, the number one goal is leadership

[Russian jacket]

At ukroekspertov apparently a spring aggravation. Have you tried to kneel in the church of St. Bandera and pray for a war that Russia is not going to fight? Maybe it would help, although it is unlikely.

[Alexander Kopychev]

At the same time, the republics of Donbass note the strengthening of the Armed Forces grouping near the demarcation line

With all convinced responsibility I declare the preparation of a large-scale invasion of Russia by the strongest army in Europe.

[aszzz888]

Ukrainian ex-intelligence officer: They take us in a half-ring

I agree)) with him - it's half measures! It is necessary for a LONG time to end with Nazism in unnecessary!

[avia12005]

Russia has a lot of undeveloped areas. The Ukrainian question must be resolved once and for all. Bandera and Dobrobat personnel are waiting for uninhabited islands in the Arctic Ocean. They will be tasked with guarding the Northern Sea Route and fighting US and UK SSBNs.

[Ascold1901]

They save.)))
"Ukrainian question .." What are you talking about? There is only Little Russia, historically it happened, and Galicia.
It would be nice for Russia to return its ancestral territories for which it fought for centuries.)))
And send all the Banderlog to Galicia.

[Kudinov Andrey]

[quote = Ascold1901] And send all the banderlog to Galicia. [/ quote
You cannot do this, as the post-war (WWII) practice has shown, they must be destroyed on the spot, otherwise the undershoots will multiply and after a certain period of time we will have what we have now.

[Avior]

Then we will see the following - each of the parties will declare that the other side was going to launch an offensive, but the enemy's plans with a timely response managed to disrupt and defend the inviolability of the Minsk agreements, and will write down a victory for itself.
This is where it will end until next time

[Avior]

It's funny. Three minuses and not a single objection.
"minus" on the sly and merged.

[Grits]

Quote: Avior

It's funny. Three minuses and not a single objection.
"minus" on the sly and merged.

In vain they will pass by. After all, this is exactly how it will be. They did this for 7 years, nothing has changed. Why should something change now?

[New Year day]

Quote: Avior

It's funny. Three minuses and not a single objection.
"minus" on the sly and merged.

and how indignant

Quote: tihonmarine

tihonmarine (Vlad)

Quote: Insurgent
But in order not to stick out, "minus" on the sly and merged ...

And no longer alone, they divorced.

Quote: 30 vis

They have grown here like cockroaches in a heating main!

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Silvestr

and how indignant

There is no limit to indignation in lawlessness

[gurzuf]

This option is also possible. But the axiom - if you want peace, prepare for war, has not been canceled. And during the civil war, everything can be.

[Avior]

But nobody canceled the axiom - if you want peace, prepare for war.

Some people here especially interpret this axiom, in a convenient way.
If "theirs" are preparing, they are reasonable people, if "strangers" are fools, no one is going to attack them!

[gurzuf]

And in what direction should we interpret the use of artillery in the Ukrainian army?

[Avior]

And in what way should the official permission for the militia to carry out preventive strikes on the Ukrainian side be interpreted?
Can you figure out in this situation, who is the first to start shooting in specific cases?
killed and wounded on both sides in recent days.

[gurzuf]

"And in what way should the official permission for the militia to carry out preemptive strikes on the Ukrainian side be interpreted?" No way! It is not worth discussing what was not.

[Avior]

Let's discuss what happened

Moscow. March, 3rd. INTERFAX.RU - The military of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic was allowed to open fire to suppress the firing points of the Ukrainian army, the press service of the People's Militia (NM) of the DPR said on Wednesday.

"Subdivisions of the People's Militia have been given permission to conduct preemptive fire to suppress and destroy enemy firing points," the press service of the DPR NM said in a statement released on Wednesday.

https://www.interfax.ru/amp/754267

[gurzuf]

"Let's discuss what happened." Let's! And where does it say - "preemptive strikes on the Ukrainian side?"

[Avior]

It says proactive - these are synonyms

Synonyms
warning, proactive; safety; preventive, prophylactic
outstripping

https://ru.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/превентивный

[gurzuf]

Again, lying - you need to read the meaning of these words in the context of international law. A preemptive strike presupposes a strike at the sources of imminent danger. A preemptive strike, in turn, presupposes an armed strike in the presence of a clear, imminent threat. There is a concept close to the concept of "preemptive strike", namely "pre-emptive force" or "preemptive strike". The terms should not be confused, as they reflect different concepts. If you strictly follow the UN Charter and its 51 articles, then preventive strikes are a violation of international law.

[Avior]

it is necessary to read the meaning of these words in the context of international law.

I gave you a link that it is the same in Russian.
I expect from you a link to specific documents of international law and their articles, confirming that these are different things, and at the same time a link where it is written that you need to read not according to the norms of the Russian language, but according to some kind of "international law".
and at the same time I am waiting for your answer to the question posed

Can you figure out in this situation, who is the first to start shooting in specific cases?

either proactive or preventive - in both cases it is the official permission to shoot first. What an owl about a stump, what a kick about an owl, if in a simple way.

If you strictly follow the UN Charter and its 51 articles

then nothing is specifically written about it ...
And, excuse me, is the DPR a member of the UN?

[gurzuf]

"and at the same time I am waiting for your answer to the question posed" for you I can. For this, OSCE observers are present there. P.S. International relations are not built on the rules of the Russian language. And yes, only 193 states are members of the UN. The rest that do not have the right to life? And what is your link about? Have you even watched it yourself? Just to refer.

[Avior]

my link is that the militias officially received the right to be the first to open fire. I take it you don't mind that? And the question was how to figure out after that, who first started shooting?

International relations are not built on the rules of the Russian language

and where is the link to a specific document and clauses of international law?

[gurzuf]

Show a link (and not your speculation) that "that the militias have officially received the right the first open fire. "I ask you not to mention your speculation based on" knowledge of the Russian language ". And again, for you I repeat - who opens fire first -" For this there are OSCE observers there. "

[Avior]

... permission was given to conduct preemptive fire to suppress and destroy enemy firing points

Here it is.
Permission granted for pre-emptive fire.
What exactly is not clear to you in the quote?
And where, finally, are you referring to international law?

[gurzuf]

"permission was given to conduct preemptive fire to suppress and destroy enemy firing points" ... so on we read ... from which shelling of the positions of the militia and settlements of Donbass is carried out.
A provocateur, he is a provocateur in everything.

[Avior]

On the front line, all weapons are produced, otherwise why would it be there
And then

so on we read ... from which the shelling of the positions of the militia and the settlements of Donbass is carried out.

This is not in the Interfax message that I quoted.
So where is the link to the documents of international law that you mentioned?

[gurzuf]

Probably in the same place as yours. I pointed out the UN article. And here you are completely unable to imagine anything. Why do you present information not entirely, but in fits and starts? I see no reason to discuss further.

[Avior]

The UN article has nothing to do with the conversation, there is not a word about it

[gurzuf]

I will call you a subtle provocateur. Everything seems to be correct. But ... one word to replace or how to add it and the meaning changes dramatically. This is where the role of the mighty Russian is. For example, as you have - added "preventive", like everything is so, but no, not so. Added the word "first" and in general - terrorists. But in reality it is not at all so There is no "preventive", there is no "first", there is a statement from the Donetsk news agency that the People's Militia (as the army is called in the DPR) received an order to suppress firing points of the Ukrainian Armed Forces (APU), from which shelling of the positions of the militia and settlements of Donbass is carried out. The difference is in what you approve and what is declared by the DPR authorities is there or not?

[Avior]

There is, of course, no difference.
These are synonyms.
Both involve firing first.
And in your Russian, the word proactive is different?

[Insurgent]

Quote: Avior

And in what way should the official permission for the militia to carry out preventive strikes on the Ukrainian side be interpreted?

Avior , earlier you pressed on your "Russianness" and now you openly tear the last shirt for Bandera-Yukrainu ...

Has the mask been dropped? Has nature taken over? It's clear, you can't hide the obvious

[Avior]

We discussed this issue with you and the difference in positions is obvious
For you, anyone who does not fan the fire of war and enmity between Russians and Ukrainians, as you do, and believes that Russians and Ukrainians are automatically Bandera's and nothing else.
I see no reason to discuss this with you again, an empty exercise, especially since, as it turned out, you are not responsible for your words.

[Insurgent]

Quote: Avior

For you, anyone who does not fan the fire of war and enmity between Russians and Ukrainians, as you do, and believes that Russians and Ukrainians are automatically Bandera's and nothing else.

I would have discussed with you something in a different vein, if you had not hypocritically mowed down the "Russian-like" initially, but immediately openly admitted that it was from the Outskirts, and that is why you are so offended for Nenka ...
Moreover, a very large layer of specific information from ukraine and about ukraine, which you undoubtedly possess in a large volume, can be accessible only to persons immersed in the outskirts of the information environment, and focused on it ...

So ... on the outskirts the hat is on fire ...

[Avior]

I see no point in discussing anything with you before, you talk too much and are not used to being responsible for your words, we have already found out.

[Liam]

Why bother a Persian for a year already pushing nonsense from the sofa trench on the boot of a murdered comrade ...

[gurzuf]

Well, okay, Well, the opponent added one word. True, this word changes the essence of the issue. Well, he probably hopes that no one will see anything. But it turns out - everyone saw everything.

[Avior]

... permission was given to conduct preemptive fire to suppress and destroy firing points

You haven't finished reading the quote.

[gurzuf]

This is the same thing with which you tried to deceive me?

[Avior]

this is exactly what is written there, it was necessary to read to the end the quoted quotation.

[Vitaly Petrov_3]

And the kid and his mother also wanted to hit the quad on your side ... at least piss in the eyes ..

[Vitaly Petrov_3]

And whose children will be their mothers .. they also fired from a 122 caliber ???

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Avior

And which one should be interpreted official permission for the militias to launch preventive strikes on the Ukrainian side?
Can you figure out in this situation, who is the first to start shooting in specific cases?
killed and wounded on both sides in recent days.

Are mines falling on civilians in Kiev, Kharkov or Sumy? No. And in the Donbass? Yesterday, as a result of the use of a drone, the ukrovoyaks killed 2 people - a woman born in 1954 and a five-year-old girl were killed. Your operator saw that there were no military personnel and dropped the VU deliberately. Also recently, your sniper shot an 80 year old man who went out to feed the chickens. He saw that this was an old man and that he had no weapons. What else do you need to explain? This Bandera abomination is destroying your Ukraine, and you are harnessing for it in an attempt to justify the crimes, and you are helping it in this.

[Avior]

I am an opponent of this stupid, senseless, war unnecessary for either the Russians or the Ukrainians. But I see a lot of supporters of its incitement on the resource.
I wrote about this today and many times.
here, for example, you can read the post "Today, 09:13"
Great post, detailed. You were also in this discussion, by the way ...

https://topwar.ru/181596-kravchuk-ukraina-ne-pojdet-vojnoj-na-donbass.html#comment-id-11370246

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Avior

I am an opponent of this stupid, senseless, war unnecessary for either the Russians or the Ukrainians. But I see a lot of supporters of its incitement on the resource.

Colleague, and it is useless for the skakuas on both sides to explain that they are simply bred, playing against each other. So you have already been registered in the hahlapitheki.
Turboputriots, however.

[Jager]

You are spinning like a weather vane, but without a microscope you can see your essence. The troll is diligent but not experienced.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: Avior

Then we will see the following - each of the parties will declare that the other side was going to launch an offensive, but the enemy's plans with a timely response managed to disrupt and defend the inviolability of the Minsk agreements, and will write down a victory for itself.
This is where it will end until next time

Evening M with Margoshka will tear their mouths in a turboputriotic rush

[Drugov]

So rejoice, misters and gentlemen, soon you will be stuffed in the face according to the old Slavic tradition, and then they will hug you, wipe the snot and press it to your mother's breast. And again you will heal in joy and harmony and wake up to drink milk and eat bread, though not everyone will get a kick in the ass, but someone will get ready for the ground, following the precepts of Mr. Klitschko.

[Archemor]

Yes, we sleep and see how to kill everyone. And after all, a person believes in this stupidity.

[Zaurbek]

If they voiced "Loss of Statehood" then he says truthful things.

[xorek]

They take us in a semicircle

This time no one should leave ... Remember our basely killed commanders of the militia Motorola, Givi, Mozgovoy, Zakharchenko (head of Donbass), etc. After all, they were never given revenge for them .. It has no statute of limitations!
This song just makes me clench my fists and hurts my heart ..

Eternal memory to the Russian knights who stopped Bandera's evil spirits in the Donbass and the borders of Russia!

[Insurgent]

Quote: xorek

Zakharchenko (head of Donbass)

Zakharchenko, was the Head of the DPR. Donbass - these are territories that are much larger, even the territories of the former Donetsk and Lugansk regions and stretches from the territory of the Russian Federation in the Rostov region, to the territory of the ex-Ukraine - in the Dnipropetrovsk region.

[Slipper 2]

"... don't take the chubaty prisoners, give the especially Ukrainian Chechens for fun ..."
I hope this will be written in the manuals for clearing the territories from ukrorskverna

[anjey]

They take us in a semicircle

You are taken into the Koltsa fraternity, NATO members will be behind them, as detachments.

[gurzuf]

They take us in a semicircle. The hangover is like that.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

You never know what there "seemed" to him. We are not there. It was necessary to ride less and demolish monuments. And what will VVP and Shoigu do now, should not worry, chubaty people.
In general, I always knew that St. Petersburg people do not like KhOhlV.

[sannyhome]

Quote: Insurgent

What's the matter ? Did the dill hide the redeployment so carefully and skillfully, or did they crush the people so much by terror that they are afraid?

The answer is simple - Odessa, House of Trade Unions ...

[Alexey Bobrin]

There are gates all around!

[musorg]

The main thing is to photograph the fact of the APU offensive, so that they do not get out. And then a blow to the forehead that anyone has. However, who started it first is very important!

[cniza]

It is strange that in Ukraine they were suddenly so worried about the transfer of Russian troops, because before that for 7 years they had declared that they were "waging a war with Russia."

Now they realized that dreams can come true if they only twitch in Donbass ...

[Jaromir]

Russia may attack "both from the north and from the south"

Can't we attack from the East?

It is strange that in Ukraine they were suddenly so worried about the transfer of Russian troops, because before that for 7 years they had declared that they were "waging a war with Russia."

Bandera occupants have been at war with the people of Ukraine for 7 years.

[Lynx2000]

If tomorrow some Vasko Pupkin "hero-ATO spetsnaz" shares a forecast, will it be shown in all the media?
It became interesting, what kind of fighter of the "invisible front" with the call sign "Moldovan"?
Andriy Rymaruk hero of the film "Atlantis" about himself:
"My callsign is "Moldavan", 33 years old.
I was born in Moldova, after the collapse of the USSR I moved to Ivano-Frankivsk. A psychologist by education. Was a security guard-collector. He worked as a journalist for the editions "Facts" and "Comments.ua". Then he was a news correspondent in the Donetsk region. He worked for Zakhidenergo. Was a press secretary. Then the ejchar was retrained. He worked in Lviv in Foxtrot, in a bank.

From there I went to war. On February 14, 2014, he was already in uniform on the parade ground. I would have left earlier, but in May of the previous year my child was born, I had to wait.
In 2015 he went to the front as a scout of the 53rd Brigade. He fought in Avdeevka, Stanitsa Luganskaya, Zaitsevo.
In March 2016 we went to Gorlovka. And there is demobilization and the Come Back Alive Foundation.
After demobilization, he continued to travel east as a logistician of the Come Back Alive Foundation and a military expert: he took the necessary equipment to the front line and controlled how it was used.

I got to the casting of the film by accident. At the end of 2017, the founder of the Come Back Alive Foundation instructed me to take a director and producer to the front, show them what war is like, and help them find locations for the film."

A scout has not served for a year (that scout is still on the campaign), already an expert. How you will not listen to them, some scouts and commandos-saboteurs. They also manage to act in films ...
Do you seriously think that this expert's opinion deserves publication ?!

[svp67]

For some reason, Rymaruk is especially worried that the transfer is taking place completely openly. Although, it would seem, much more concern should have been caused by the covert movements of troops.

Of course, they see something during the day, but what they pull up at night - no, and it's scary ...

[orionvitt]

Russia may attack "both from the north and from the south"

I do not understand, but what is it? After all, you guys have been at war with Russia for seven years and suddenly you have news. Russia wants to invade.

[antikilller55]

You can also understand the poor, they fought heroically with the agrEssor for 7 years, and then suddenly, out of nowhere, this agrEssor may come to war for real. However, there is something to lose your appetite and have loose stools.

[Vitaly Petrov_3]

And their for SHO ???

[Gardener91]

The fact that the Russian troops are "pulled" to the Ukrainian border is the merit of Ukraine itself. The purpose of this event is also clear, but the overseas can turned out to be high.

[svoit]

Quote: Avior

Can you figure out in this situation, who is the first to start shooting in specific cases?

When the troops are in direct contact, there will almost always be a firefight, only a 1-2 km separation can significantly weaken, by the way, Zelensky himself noticed this that firefights are rare in the breeding areas. It means that those who do not want breeding are to blame for them.

[darksoul]

I'll tell you that in Krasnodar I have already seen several echelons with equipment ....... they are preparing to fill their ass)))

[Kudinov Andrey]

No, this is just another supply of new and modernized equipment to the troops. Why are you sowing panic among the Banderlog.

[yehat2]

I am interested in a very simple question. The main hope of the Ukrainian economy now is agriculture. The deployment of a sizable grouping in the east is probably eating up all the fuel supplies that are so needed in the spring. Those. the Ukrainian government deliberately creates very serious problems for its own economy. And now the question is - does it somehow correspond to their obligations to take care of the welfare of citizens at least a little?
Even if they do not start the conflict anew, the Ukrainians, you have already done shitty.
Get ready for a serious social cut in '22 and an increase in unemployment this summer.
And there is no Russia here - it is the decisions of your government that have been implemented since March.
And you are already guaranteed to get a brown substance from this.
Now in Ukraine, programs are very popular - how to cook inexpensive food, because there are a lot of poor people. Soon other programs will become popular - how to beg on the porch, how to steal from a neighbor so as not to die of hunger and so that he dies, how to competently rummage through the garbage in order to find something for yourself. Ukrainians, you went to the Maidan for this ???

[2 Level Advisor]

I think - those who have already left in Europe are arbeiten the majority, but those who have not gone out and cannot go to Europe to work are suffering - pensioners, etc.

[vladcub]

"they take us in a half-ring" - familiar. I remember that one type of our tanks got used to in Washington and he leapt out the window. So that Rymaruk would not do that.

[Alexander Moskalenko_2]

oh brothers, it seems like we will live like this.

[opposite28]

They take us in a semicircle.
Into a parallelepiped

[lopvlad]

They take us in a semicircle

at all corners, the Ukrainian government, from the last ordinary Bandera to the president of Ukraine, talks about how they will seize Crimea and Donbass and arrange genocide there, and when Russia strengthens the defense of its borders on its territory, where Ukraine announces its offensive, they begin to howl about our aggression.

[Vlad Sobol]

More humanitarian porridge is placed in a NATO helmet, but it hasn’t been added yet, but here it’s