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Kravchuk: Ukraine will not go to war in Donbass

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28th Ombre of the Armed Forces of Ukraine



The head of the Ukrainian delegation to the TCG (Trilateral Contact Group) made another statement on the situation in Donbass. According to Kravchuk, "Ukraine will not go to war in Donbass."

Kravchuk noted that "the Ukrainian goal is such that people live in the uncontrolled territories" on the basis of Ukrainian law, democracy and freedom. "

Apparently, according to Kravchuk's logic, Ukrainian citizens today live in a "free and democratic country" - a country in which parties and television channels are banned, sanctions are imposed on their own citizens, journalists are eliminated, private property is "squeezed out" under far-fetched pretexts, and they are cracking down on those who expresses their own opinion.

Kravchuk:

Ukraine is tuned in only to peace.

This statement sounded especially cynical, given the fact that the day before it became known about the first artillery strike by the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the territory of the Luhansk People's Republic in a long period.

According to Kravchuk, at the same time "Ukraine will not be silent, it will respond with fire to fire, but also with good for good."

For reference: over the past day alone, and through the territory of the DPR alone, the Ukrainian military fired almost 60 ammunition, including mines of various calibers. The western outskirts of Donetsk were again under fire. And from the village of Peski, controlled by the Ukrainian security forces, mortar shelling was carried out against the northern suburbs of Donetsk.
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28th Ombre of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich April 4 2021 06: 37
    +24
    If it says this pathological liar, then they will definitely go.

    Biden pushed them in 2014 and is still pushing them.
    1. Profiler
      Profiler April 4 2021 06: 44
      +10
      Quote: Olgovich
      If it says this pathological liar, then they will definitely go.


      "The war is incredible,
      the world is impossible. "


      (Raymond Aron, French philosopher, political scientist, sociologist and publicist.)
      1. Russian Moldavian
        Russian Moldavian April 4 2021 07: 58
        +15
        Baby died 5 years old, Condolences to the family. They started killing children again !!!!!!!!!!
        UAV APU killed a 5-year-old child

        The child died, the woman was wounded in the village of Aleksandrovskoye near Yenakiyevo. This was reported today at the People's Police Department of the DPR. “A child born in 2016 died, a local resident born in 1954 was wounded of varying severity, who was taken to a hospital, where she was provided with all the necessary medical care,” the UNM said. UNM said the reason for the incident was the dumping of ammunition from a Ukrainian drone. Other circumstances are being investigated.
        Thus, the militants of the 59th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, following the initial order of the leader SHAPOVALOV, used an unmanned aerial vehicle equipped with an improvised explosive device. The object for committing a terrorist act, the Ukrainian militants chose a residential area of ​​the village of ALEXANDROVSKAYA, where they dropped an explosive device near the house at st. 2nd Road, 36.
        At that moment, there were TWO civilians in the yard. As a result of the criminal actions of Ukrainian militants, a child born in 2016 died. and was injured of varying severity by a local resident
        Born 1954, who was taken to the hospital, where she received all the necessary medical care.
    2. Konstantin Gogolev
      Konstantin Gogolev April 4 2021 06: 46
      +17
      I agree. It would be better if this former prezik was silent. He has a Nazi experience of almost 70 years.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 4 2021 07: 18
        +10
        The events are still in March, but they clearly reflect a difficult, tense and nervous environment.



        Well, they would have brought down the "violator" and they would have been lucky, and the car fell on their territory, which would give rise to accusations of aggression on Russia.

        What if not? And the helicopter would have gone to the side of the Crimea and fell there?
        1. Gardener91
          Gardener91 April 4 2021 16: 08
          -2
          Quote: Insurgent
          Well, they would have brought down the "violator" and they would have been lucky, and the car fell on their territory, which would give rise to accusations of aggression on Russia.

          Well, MN-17 fell on the territory of Ukraine, not Russia, and what?
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent April 4 2021 16: 31
            +2
            Quote: Gardener91
            Well, MN-17 fell on the territory of Ukraine, not Russia, and what?

            And no SHO request yes
            A civilian scheduled Boeing was shot down by the occupying forces of the Outskirts on the territory of the DPR and fell accordingly here.

            Why do you even remember MN-17? Was it an intruder plane?
            1. Gardener91
              Gardener91 April 4 2021 18: 27
              -1
              Quote: Insurgent
              Why do you even remember MN-17?

              Well, if according to Boeing "the alignment is obvious" to you, then you probably know, those who shot him down assumed a fall on the territory of the Russian Federation. But it turned out what happened. On the exhaust of the guilty, the gunpowder indicated in 5 (!) Minutes on the air. The converse is unprovable to this day. What I mean is that everyone is not a fact, the media and propaganda will make it a fact.
      2. knn54
        knn54 April 4 2021 07: 47
        +3
        There will be no war, there will be an "anti-terrorist" operation.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent April 4 2021 08: 33
          +4
          Quote: knn54
          There will be no war, there will be an "anti-terrorist" operation.


          How the Outskirts see and assess the balance of forces and capabilities of the RF Armed Forces and the Armed Forces of Ukraine

          Please be patient and "digest" 5 minutes of nonsense on ukromovi in ​​the video. For those who are completely "nefstein" her wassat , below is a short and concise text transcript.



          The Russian army is actively continuing to activate equipment at the borders. But if necessary, American fighters will definitely cover Ukraine from the air, thereby making it impossible for the Russians to use their aircraft.

          Without it, the Russian army is not too dominant over the Ukrainian one. This opinion was expressed by the Ukrainian journalist Artem Ovdienko in the blog "My thoughts are mine".

          Despite the fact that the Russians have more modern tanks, Ukraine has ultra-modern American Javelins, which these Russian tanks will simply destroy.


          That is, there will definitely not be any advantages to the Russians in the sky. They will not be able to bomb us with impunity from a safe distance.


          So it is with artillery. She, as the blogger noted, is really more modern and powerful among Russians, while Ukrainians still use Soviet models.

          "But from the Americans we have ultra-modern means of detecting this enemy artillery, that is, here we also have a certain parity with the Russians."
          1. Achilles
            Achilles April 4 2021 09: 46
            +6
            Quote: Insurgent
            How the Outskirts see and assess the balance of forces and capabilities of the RF Armed Forces and the Armed Forces of Ukraine

            Why do many people think (Ukrainian bloggers, journalists, hosts of various programs, etc.) that the Russian Federation will have big losses in the event of an attack? Now is not the time to go out in the open. The Russian Federation has missiles Kh-35, Kh-101, Caliber, Iskander, hypersonic missiles, all of these missiles are capable of destroying air defense, airfields, enemy artillery, warehouses, headquarters, concentration of troops, etc., as soon as most of everything is destroyed. what I have listed, then it is possible that the Russian Federation will launch a counteroffensive (the Russian Federation will use drones (in Syria there were up to 200 unmanned aerial vehicles in the air once) to identify the remnants of the Ukrainian army and destroy it pointwise with artillery or the same missiles) and then, this The Russian Federation most likely will not do (meaning the introduction of ground forces into Ukraine), there is the LPNR that are capable of completing the final defeat of the Ukrainian army. Everything that I wrote is possible, if the Ukrainian army goes on a full-scale offensive on the LPNR, the Russian Federation itself will not take any offensive actions, as many people in Ukraine think and want to show this to the whole world.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent April 4 2021 09: 48
              +5
              Quote: Achilles
              Why do many people think (Ukrainian bloggers, journalists, hosts of various programs, etc.) that the Russian Federation will have big losses in the event of an attack?

              They are so NEED TO THINK , more precisely, to "drive the wave" ... Propaganda yes
              1. Gardener91
                Gardener91 April 4 2021 16: 14
                0
                Quote: Insurgent
                They SHOULD THINK, or rather say, to "drive the wave" ... Propaganda

                Drive the "blizzard". Many people understand this there too.
            2. GTYCBJYTH2021
              GTYCBJYTH2021 April 4 2021 13: 02
              -2
              Quote: Achilles
              Quote: Insurgent
              How the Outskirts see and assess the balance of forces and capabilities of the RF Armed Forces and the Armed Forces of Ukraine

              Why do many people think (Ukrainian bloggers, journalists, hosts of various programs, etc.) that the Russian Federation will have big losses in the event of an attack? Now is not the time to go out in the open. The Russian Federation has missiles Kh-35, Kh-101, Caliber, Iskander, hypersonic missiles, all of these missiles are capable of destroying air defense, airfields, enemy artillery, warehouses, headquarters, concentration of troops, etc., as soon as most of everything is destroyed. what I have listed, then it is possible that the Russian Federation will launch a counteroffensive (the Russian Federation will use drones (in Syria there were up to 200 unmanned aerial vehicles in the air once) to identify the remnants of the Ukrainian army and destroy it pointwise with artillery or the same missiles) and then, this The Russian Federation most likely will not do (meaning the introduction of ground forces into Ukraine), there is the LPNR that are capable of completing the final defeat of the Ukrainian army. Everything that I wrote is possible, if the Ukrainian army goes on a full-scale offensive on the LPNR, the Russian Federation itself will not take any offensive actions, as many people in Ukraine think and want to show this to the whole world.

              But you have not seen the WEAPON of the Russian Federation described by you ... And is it there ... winked
              1. VORON538
                VORON538 April 4 2021 13: 39
                +1
                What's left of the old stocks is enough for you lol
                And the new is and will enter service in the future.
                In the same way, Ukrainians used to talk about the bridge to Crimea.
                And nothing, and the bridge turned out to be, and, despite all the excuses of the ukrov, it did not collapse. The same with the weapons. You can continue to amuse yourself that these are cartoons. hi If necessary, a few frames from one cartoon will be enough to calm down! hiAlthough, again, the old stocks are enough. Frames for a special occasion. hi
                1. GTYCBJYTH2021
                  GTYCBJYTH2021 April 4 2021 14: 58
                  -4
                  Quote: VORON538
                  What's left of the old stocks is enough for you lol
                  And the new is and will enter service in the future.
                  In the same way, Ukrainians used to talk about the bridge to Crimea.
                  And nothing, and the bridge turned out to be, and, despite all the excuses of the ukrov, it did not collapse. The same with the weapons. You can continue to amuse yourself that these are cartoons. hi If necessary, a few frames from one cartoon will be enough to calm down! hiAlthough, again, the old stocks are enough. Frames for a special occasion. hi

                  The stocks are old, it's good ... But a soldier-MAN WITH A GUN, decides everything ... Muscovites have already shown their fighting ability ... And the bridge to the Crimea, Siberia did not become richer from him ... .In Krasnoyarsk, a bridge would be made ...
                  1. VORON538
                    VORON538 April 4 2021 15: 07
                    0
                    do not worry, both in Krasnoyarsk and in other cities and villages, where necessary, they will build. Despite your screams and screams hiI would have ridden my nenko, a survivor lol
                    1. GTYCBJYTH2021
                      GTYCBJYTH2021 April 4 2021 15: 14
                      -4
                      Quote: VORON538
                      do not worry, both in Krasnoyarsk and in other cities and villages, where necessary, they will build. Despite your screams and screams hiI would have ridden my nenko, a survivor lol

                      You are a braggart ... Nen'kin ...... Moscovite ..... Do you know where Siberia is?
                      1. VORON538
                        VORON538 April 4 2021 15: 22
                        +3
                        Siberia is big
                        Do you know where it starts and to what edges it stretches? So you are welcome hi And it's not for a pro-Ukrainian bot to tell me about Siberia lol
                      2. 210ox
                        210ox April 4 2021 19: 37
                        +1
                        And why to all the interlocutor, so immediately-Muscovite. I, for example, live in the Kuban. And what, a Siberian and a separate principality has become?
                2. Insurgent
                  Insurgent April 5 2021 08: 02
                  +2
                  Quote: VORON538
                  earlier Ukrainians talked about the bridge to Crimea
                  And nothing, and the bridge turned out to be, and, despite all the excuses ukrov, did not collapse.


                  And besides, according to the scenery, the cartoon - there are trains with equipment. Wow ! fellow what

                  And someone else scolds Russian cinema lol
              2. Gardener91
                Gardener91 April 4 2021 16: 15
                +1
                Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
                WEAPON OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION ... And is it there ...

                No. Definitely nothing.
          2. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 April 4 2021 09: 54
            +3
            [quote we have a certain parity with the Russians "[/ quote] ..... approximately like a pug in front of an elephant ---" well a pug know she's strong when she barks at an elephant "
          3. Ruslan Sulima
            Ruslan Sulima April 4 2021 11: 11
            +1
            The Russian army is actively continuing to activate equipment at the borders. But if necessary, American fighters will definitely cover Ukraine from the air, thereby making it impossible for the Russians to use their aircraft.

            Smiled at his diligence to speak G, not Ge, he was going to see Muscovy)
      3. frruc
        frruc April 4 2021 10: 50
        +3
        According to Kravchuk ................

        and then you can not read, this retired mouth does not close, it is incomprehensible that everyone is not responsible for their nonsense.
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    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 4 2021 09: 03
      +3
      Quote: Olgovich
      Biden pushed them in 2014 and is still pushing them.

      Yesterday, Biden already reprimanded Zelensky during a telephone conversation.
    5. Vladimir Mashkov
      Vladimir Mashkov April 4 2021 12: 10
      +2
      Quote: Olgovich
      If it says this pathological liar, then they will definitely go.

      Biden pushed them in 2014 and is still pushing them.

      Yes, another batch of misinformation from Bandera's fart with the aim of confusing everything. Come on. And the evidence of this is the violent attacks on the SP-2. Blitzkrieg can only be canceled by something incredible.
    6. GYGOLA
      GYGOLA April 4 2021 15: 12
      +1
      Ukraine will not go to war in Donbass
      She can no longer walk on her own ... for a long time, unless with someone's help.
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 4 2021 06: 44
    +7
    Kravchuk: Ukraine is only set for peace.
    How many such statements have been heard since 2014, and not only from this shape-shifter and opportunist, is innumerable. But in fact, everything is the opposite to predictability. In Europe, for example, they are simply pretending to believe the words of Ukrainian politicians. And if not for Russophobia permeating the EU, they would have forgotten about Ukraine as a country long ago.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee April 4 2021 07: 28
      +10
      Ukraine will not be silent
      1. 210ox
        210ox April 4 2021 07: 35
        +5
        This crap will last forever. If we don't stop.
        1. GTYCBJYTH2021
          GTYCBJYTH2021 April 4 2021 14: 33
          -3
          Quote: 210ox
          This crap will last forever. If we don't stop.

          What do you suggest to US to stop? There will be no Siberian regiments, as in -41 ... And how the Muscovites are known to the whole world ... No offense ...
          1. 210ox
            210ox April 4 2021 19: 39
            0
            Even for the narrow-minded. And Siberian and Smolensk and Kuban will be. And many others. Personally, we are not waiting for you.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine April 4 2021 09: 06
        0
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Ukraine will not be silent

        If only Bandera will allow it.
  3. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky April 4 2021 06: 44
    +11
    It is high time for this Kravchuk to "settle down" a wooden pencil case, but he is still blathering something. He was going to answer there with "fire on fire", the dust collector was old.
    1. Profiler
      Profiler April 4 2021 06: 47
      +20
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      It is high time for this Kravchuk to "settle down" a wooden pencil case, but he is still blathering something.

      Look at his accomplice Humpbacked!
      Mother of damp earth, also refuses to accept the bastard.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky April 4 2021 06: 49
        +8
        Truly, the abomination is tenacious. They will not be allowed to go to heaven, and in hell they have not yet invented a personal punishment.
        1. 210ox
          210ox April 4 2021 07: 36
          +4
          The devils are afraid that they will ruin hell for them.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine April 4 2021 09: 09
            +1
            Quote: 210ox
            The devils are afraid that they will ruin hell for them.

            They are afraid that they will arrange a Maidan in hell.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 4 2021 09: 08
          +1
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          They will not be allowed to go to heaven, and in hell they have not yet invented a personal punishment.

          From such, Satan himself shies away.
      2. Egoza
        Egoza April 4 2021 06: 55
        +15
        Quote: Profiler
        Look at his accomplice Humpbacked!

        We haven’t heard his opinion on Ukraine yet! Still, an interesting statement by Kravchuk: "Ukraine will not go to war in Donbass." So do you admit that Donbass is not Ukraine? And if Donbass is part of Ukraine, who are you fighting against there? Yes, and the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine declares that so far the Russian Federation has not sent troops there! Civil war turns out! Admit it at last !!!!
        1. Profiler
          Profiler April 4 2021 06: 57
          +9
          Quote: Egoza
          And if Donbass is part of Ukraine, who are you fighting against there?

          Well, they have already indicated this, and more than once yes
          They are fighting with us, which was once again enshrined in the recent resolution of their Rada.
        2. aszzz888
          aszzz888 April 4 2021 07: 59
          +3

          Fidget (Elena)
          Today, 06: 55

          +9
          Quote: Profiler
          Look at his accomplice Humpbacked!

          We haven’t heard his opinion on Ukraine yet! Yet an interesting statement Kravchuk : "Ukraine will not go to war in Donbass". So do you admit that Donbass is not Ukraine? And if Donbass is part of Ukraine, who are you fighting against there? Yes, and the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine declares that so far the Russian Federation has not sent troops there! Civil war turns out! Admit it at last !!!!
          Helen, hi ! And if this senile is put next to the can? I wonder who will give a head start to whom? wink
          The finished two-legged creature.
        3. Boris55
          Boris55 April 4 2021 08: 30
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          Civil war turns out! Admit it at last !!!!

          They will never admit it - it will be tantamount to suicide for them.
        4. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 4 2021 09: 13
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          Civil war turns out! Admit it at last !!!!

          So it is like death, immediately "the whole world escapes us."
      3. Private89
        Private89 April 4 2021 08: 57
        +1
        Apparently, even Satan has some moral principles that, yes, he is not welcome there
  4. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov April 4 2021 07: 01
    +2
    If you want peace with such an unpredictable state as Ukraine, prepare for war. And Kravchuk is a well-known pan tro-lo-lo, the talking head of the current Ukrainian government, though the head is already in marasmus due to age, well, nothing brings the main theses clearly.
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 4 2021 07: 05
    +3
    Kravchuk noted that "the Ukrainian goal is such that people live in the uncontrolled territories" on the basis of Ukrainian law, democracy and freedom. "
    I wonder if this one is working out for lard? laughing

    This pretzel strongly reminds me of some here mowing like poor Jews who were "oppressed in collective farms !!!!," with bloody calluses ...! "- JEWS IN COLLECTIONS !!!! laughing laughing laughing This is very reminiscent of tracing paper from unnecessary how "Russians starved Ukrainians with hunger"
  6. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 4 2021 07: 10
    +1
    Yeah, and the exercises, together with the USA, the Turks and other NATO members, are constantly being conducted out of "humanitarian motives", we must suppose. Also, the shelling of Donbass is shooting with tears in their eyes! Weep and shoot! And, the larger the caliber of the weapon, the more tears - the ammunition is rubbed with a bow, not otherwise. ..
  7. xorek
    xorek April 4 2021 07: 17
    -2
    Ukraine is tuned in only to peace.

    Well, every day Donbass bombs with long-range weapons .. They just remember the boilers and even with Biden's whip you can't drive them into the attack .. They know that this will be their last battle.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 April 4 2021 07: 50
      +1
      xorek
      Today, 07: 17
      NEW
      +1
      Ukraine is tuned in only to peace.

      Well, every day Donbass bombs from long-range missiles .. They just remember the boilers and even Biden's whip. you cannot drive into the attack.... They know this will be their last fight.
      Hello! And it seems to me that they will drive me, and there are enough crazy Natsiks to unleash a very serious military conflict. Then we would immediately help the LPNR - ONCE AND FOREVER !!!, to finish the ukrovermacht. All the same, zaluzhniki and the West will make Russia to blame for everything.
      1. xorek
        xorek April 4 2021 08: 09
        -2
        Quote: aszzz888
        Hello!

        Hello Sheriff! hi
        Quote: aszzz888
        And it seems to me that they will drive me, and there are enough crazy Natsiks to unleash a very serious military conflict. Then we would immediately help the LPNR - ONCE AND FOREVER !!!, finish ukrovermacht. All the same, zaluzhniki and the West will make Russia to blame for everything.

        This is where it all goes .. Ukraine was given five years, supposedly to join the EU and heal harno and bohato .. As a result, we all know and the lace panties did not help, the blood continues to pour and the Russophobic hysteria is gaining momentum .. It's time to end the Bandera junta with one powerful blow, I think the population of Ukraine already agrees to everything, if only not to live and shake under Bandera .. Hour X is already close! hi
        1. aszzz888
          aszzz888 April 4 2021 10: 07
          0
          xorek
          Today, 08: 09
          NEW

          +1 .... It's time to end the Bandera junta with one powerful blow, I think the population of Ukraine already agrees to everything, just not to live and shake under the Bandera junta .. Hour X is already close!
          I completely agree with you and SOLIDAREN! Only TOGETHER we will defeat the new fascists, and there we will stand together for the Cathedral and Indivisible Mother Russia! Give us, ALL !!!, the strength to lime the foe!
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        1. Ramzaj99
          Ramzaj99 April 4 2021 09: 14
          +2
          Quote: mtpivanov
          Moreover, it cannot be said that it is unreasonable - and the introduction of serfdom was also the Holodomor ...

          I really don't understand how it happened that they were able to deprive the mind and common sense of the population of an entire country in just a few years ??)) !!
          That is, serfdom was exclusively on the territory of the current square ??!
          And they probably tortured only the Ukrainian SSR with the Holodomor, they tied it with a string, - they say you starve here and we will allocate additional rations to the rest of the territory! So what happened ??
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            1. Ramzaj99
              Ramzaj99 April 4 2021 10: 13
              +1
              Quote: mtpivanov
              that there is no quick fix to the Ukrainian problem.

              There is, you just need to have eggs to make such a decision.
              Firstly, at one time it was not necessary to slow down the LPNR army, when there were boilers and an active offensive, but on the contrary, to openly support it in every possible way. Even without an army, it was possible to overtake so many PMCs there with enhanced equipment that they would sweep everything to Poland in a couple of weeks.
              Secondly, only a few people from the top of Ukraine are whipping up the ALL nationalist and anti-Russian agenda, they can be counted on the fingers of one hand and they are not immortal ...... For example, Israel does not bother with such things at all.
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            2. ccsr
              ccsr April 4 2021 10: 22
              +2
              Quote: mtpivanov
              Serfdom was introduced by Catherine.
              And there was a famine.
              The rest is not significant.

              After all, you do not hesitate to lie, in the hope that people here are as illiterate as in Ukraine. In fact, everything was different, because then a reform was carried out in Russia, and it took place after the death of Catherine the Great, as Ukrainian sources write:
              The legal consolidation of serfdom in the Novorossiysk lands took place on December 12, 1796, when a personal decree was published "On the termination of the unauthorized transfer of settlers from place to place in the provinces of Yekaterinoslav, Voznesenskaya, Caucasian and Tauride regions ...".
              Moreover, this happened after the death of Empress Catherine II.

              https://ukraina.ru/history/20190212/1022650573.html
              Moreover, the very appearance of serfdom was associated with the military service of the Cossacks, who were allowed to have peasants for military service in the status of state peasants:
              A special form of land tenure and land use was formed in the Novorossiysk Cossack troops. Like the Don Cossacks, the lands transferred by the state were in combined arms ownership. Each family had a land plot in use, in addition, it could use the common places of fishing, cattle breeding, trades, and hunting. The peasants (subjects) assigned to the army carried conscription in favor of the army, their legal status was close to that of state peasants.
              Potemkin took a personal part in the formation of the Bug Cossacks.
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                1. ccsr
                  ccsr April 4 2021 10: 51
                  0
                  Quote: mtpivanov
                  I repeated what I had read dozens of times from Ukrainians on the forums.

                  Have you lived or been to Ukraine yourself, or have you learned about their views only through forums?
                  Quote: mtpivanov
                  And in the 90s, until they were dispersed, I had such an "honor" to communicate with the Westerners ...
                  In the north.

                  They behave differently here, although as they say "black cable ...", but keep in mind that what they think about Russia they will not tell you in your eyes.
                  But if you listen to them there, at home, then you are not at all surprised why they hate us so much since Soviet times.
                  1. mtpivanov
                    mtpivanov April 4 2021 10: 55
                    -3
                    Never lived.
                    And I'm not going to!
                    Even the very thought of such a thing disgusts me.
                    I have my homeland, and I do not intend to leave it.
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky April 4 2021 09: 16
          +5
          Quote: mtpivanov
          To "end ukrovermacht" a large-scale genocide is needed.
          In Ukraine, a huge percentage of the population hates Russia.
          Moreover, it cannot be said that it was unreasonable - the introduction of serfdom was also the Holodomor ... There will be no sense in "pinpoint operations".
          And a military defeat will not solve anything either.
          The solution is only in genocide with large-scale extermination without distinction of gender and age - because they give birth, grow up ...
          New Bandera and Bandera ...
          As I understand it, your orderlies went out to smoke and forgot to close the office with the computer?
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        3. aszzz888
          aszzz888 April 4 2021 10: 08
          0
          mtpivanov
          Today, 08: 36
          NEW

          -6
          Quote: aszzz888
          ONCE AND FOREVER !!!, finish ukrovermacht
          Quite funny statement ...

          "The one who laughs last laughs well!"
  8. stayer
    stayer April 4 2021 07: 29
    +3
    The impression is that I have already seen it all. Either in Georgia, or in the former Yugoslavia. For a day or two, the responsible persons said that there would be no war. They say we will build the world, etc. And then an offensive with many casualties.
  9. Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima April 4 2021 07: 35
    +2
    Something grandfather got completely confused in his statements ...
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent April 4 2021 07: 41
      +6
      Quote: Ruslan Sulima
      Something grandfather got completely confused in his statements ...

      Such confusion in statements characterizes the confusion of the ukrovlada, rushing about and not understanding what to grab at - either the zbroya, or the valizi ...
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 April 4 2021 07: 52
        0

        Insurgent
        Today, 07: 41
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        Quote: Ruslan Sulima
        Something grandfather got completely confused in his statements ...

        Such confusion in statements characterizes the confusion of the ukrovlada, rushing about and not understanding what to grab at - either the zbroya, or the valizi ...
        So after all, the merikatos will not let them "rush". Will be chased to slaughter.
  10. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 4 2021 07: 47
    +3
    laughing Former Soviet bureaucrat, liar talks about "democracy" what ?
    1. xorek
      xorek April 4 2021 08: 18
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      Quote: Gennady Fomkin
      laughing Former Soviet bureaucrat, liar talks about "democracy" what ?

      Such shape-shifters, even in the time of Khrushchev, began to get divorced, especially in Ukraine .. All Bandera-Vlasovites were amnestied, so they spread throughout the Union, shitting shallowly and waiting in the wings. Educating their own kind of anti-Soviet, Russophobes, etc. ..Where did they ALL appear so abruptly, during the destruction of the USSR? First of all, in the media, literally everything was captured and they raised such a howl sensing the weakness of the authorities .. Well, there is a matter of technology. hi
      It's time to solve the problem with Ukraine!
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        1. xorek
          xorek April 4 2021 09: 07
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          Quote: mtpivanov
          It cannot be solved.

          It can be solved and completely, if you do not flirt with them and don’t give them a freebie .. Let them be an agrarian territory and constantly remind who they were and how much blood they shed supporting the Natsiks, etc.
          Quote: mtpivanov
          Even with Ichkeria, they did not decide where to crush tens of millions of haters.

          And with the Caucasus, in general, they decided that they love strength, although they look like a wolf ..
          Quote: mtpivanov
          But you also need to be aware that there will be no quick solution, a task for decades.

          Here I agree and it is better not to turn my back on them .. And the Banderaites need to be cleaned up, everything is known and you can even arrange a court, as it should be with all the video facts, witnesses, etc.
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        2. ccsr
          ccsr April 4 2021 10: 26
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          Quote: mtpivanov
          It cannot be solved.

          And Russia will not solve it - it does not need freeloaders in the form of Svidomo, so pick your own shit. Well, those regions that want to join Russia will probably make a decision without Kiev's participation, as was the case with Crimea. At least Putin said that he would not allow the fate of Donbass to be decided by military means, and this already says everything. That is why Kravchuk is so spinning with his "predictions" - he knows very well how the Svidomo adventures will end for Ukraine.
  11. Tezcatlipoca
    Tezcatlipoca April 4 2021 08: 17
    +1
    Look - good people are dying from covid, and this bastard is the most alive of all :) I wish - he will live, until Nenka's release, so that his whole life is in vain.
    1. xorek
      xorek April 4 2021 09: 08
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      Quote: Tezcatlipoca
      Look - good people are dying from covid, but this bastard is the most alive :)

      Like our Judas, the marked humpback .. They have no conscience, so they live.
      1. Tezcatlipoca
        Tezcatlipoca April 4 2021 09: 10
        +3
        Gorby will rest in hell :) at home :)
  12. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich April 4 2021 08: 25
    -1
    It will go, it will not go. The grandmother said it in two. But the state "Ukraine" must be destroyed. In its current state, it is a threat.
  13. Ros 56
    Ros 56 April 4 2021 08: 48
    +2
    The language is given to a person in order to hide his black intentions (this is not my thought), and even this Bandera ghoul, even more so (and this is mine).
  14. cniza
    cniza April 4 2021 09: 11
    +3
    The head of the Ukrainian delegation to the TCG (Trilateral Contact Group) made another statement on the situation in Donbass. According to Kravchuk, "Ukraine will not go to war in Donbass."


    So it will definitely go ...
  15. Avior
    Avior April 4 2021 09: 13
    +3
    All this is reminiscent of the reports of Soviet newspapers during the Iran-Iraq war, when each side wrote about its own, as if not the same war, but completely different. Each side is now writing about its wounded and killed, not saying a word about those of the enemy.
    Each side writes that the enemy shoots with prohibited weapons, and their own only in response.
    Each side writes that the other side is pulling troops to the conflict zone and is preparing an offensive - and if you ask any side whether they are pulling together their troops, you hear in response either what they are pulling together in response to the enemy's actions, or, in general, “our troops we do what we want, ”as Peskov essentially answered.
    For a third-party reader, all information comes down to questions of faith - which side do you believe, then the truth: ((.
    With such approaches, this war will be endless, poison the relations between Russians and Ukrainians, and people will continue to die, and the end of the edge is not visible: (((
    And this despite the fact that a deep foundation for close relations between Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians should, on the contrary, bring the countries closer together, but so far something is not very good :(
    It seems that some kind of objective balanced source of information about the events is needed, at least on the basis of the same UN in the form of some kind of permanently working group or commission under the UN Security Council.
    For example, as they write, yesterday Ukraine wrote a complaint to the UN Security Council that Russian troops were pulling together to the border - to immediately gather a meeting of the group, hear and disassemble all parties in the public domain on YouTube. He will not make a decision on such a commission, but information from two sources will be brought together in one place, and it will be much easier to understand the essence of events, it will be much more difficult for the parties to manipulate information, at the same time, it will be much more difficult to keep the parties in good shape regarding lies - and it will be much more difficult to manipulate people ...
    Something needs to be done, otherwise the war will last for a very long time sad
    It is clear that there are some people on both sides interested in the continuation of this fratricidal war, but the majority of both Ukrainians and Russians do not need this war and it will do nothing good!
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky April 4 2021 23: 28
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      Quote: Avior
      Something needs to be done, otherwise the war will last for a very long time
      It is clear that there are some people on both sides interested in the continuation of this fratricidal war, but the majority of both Ukrainians and Russians do not need this war and it will do nothing good!

      Ordinary people do not need war, politicians need it. However, I am not sure about helping the UN, in achieving peace in this territory, since this organization has turned into a pocket toy for the United States, which is behind all the negative events in Ukraine. hi
      1. Avior
        Avior April 4 2021 23: 33
        +1
        Ordinary people do not need war, politicians do.

        But I sometimes look at posts on VO and think that you are not quite right: (((Or are we here politicians? I doubt it.
        As for the UN, I just meant the format.
        All these discussions should go to YouTube without cuts, so that people can compare what one side says and what the other, and draw conclusions.
        hi
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky April 4 2021 23: 45
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          Quote: Avior
          As for the UN, I just meant the format.

          It is clear that there is no other format of interaction and impact yet, but the time is obviously ripe for an alternative platform to the UN to be created. It seems that most of the countries in the UN will move to a new platform, leaving the United States alone with its satellites.
          Quote: Avior
          All these discussions should go to YouTube without cuts, so that people can compare what one side says and what the other, and draw conclusions.
          They should, but YouTube often blocks information that runs counter to the interests of the United States. Mattresses are extremely bad at free speech and access to alternative information. They also banned Trump on Twitter. In short, it is difficult today for the truth to break through to the massesrequest
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter April 5 2021 00: 01
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            Quote: Nyrobsky
            They should, but YouTube often blocks information that runs counter to the interests of the United States. With freedom of speech and access to alternative information

            I am curious what our propagandists will do if tomorrow morning, suddenly, crazy and ukraine disappear, and in the afternoon Geieropa? What will they do then?
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky April 5 2021 00: 52
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              Quote: Stroporez
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              They should, but YouTube often blocks information that runs counter to the interests of the United States. With freedom of speech and access to alternative information

              I am curious what our propagandists will do if tomorrow morning, suddenly, crazy and ukraine disappear, and in the afternoon Geieropa? What will they do then?

              Hmm. "A holy place is never empty. The planet is getting crowded, the population is growing, and therefore there will continue to be graters for food, water and a place in the sun. Something like this yes
          2. Avior
            Avior April 5 2021 02: 36
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            It seems that most of the countries in the UN will move to a new platform, leaving the United States alone with its satellites.

            and what will it give them? There is such a nuance, firstly
            The following 10 countries contributed the largest assessed contributions to United Nations peacekeeping operations in 2020-2021:

            United States (27,89%)
            China (15,21%)
            Japan (8,56%)
            Germany (6,09%)
            United Kingdom (5,79%)
            France (5,61%)
            Italy (3,3%)
            Russian Federation (3,04%)
            Canada (2,73%)
            Republic of Korea (2,26%)

            https://undocs.org/ru/A/73/350/Add.1
            And secondly, what will the organization give, which will not include the United States, Europe and most of America, or even the whole?
            Will they be able to implement any decision of their own that contradicts the UN decision?
  16. bar
    bar April 4 2021 09: 22
    +1
    This epic clown lies as he breathes.
  17. Irek
    Irek April 4 2021 09: 25
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    The owner will order, run at a run.
  18. Prisoner
    Prisoner April 4 2021 09: 45
    +2
    Genes will not allow the genes to respond kindly for good to all Kravchuk and similar "ukrainians". This has never been and never will be. The mentality is a stubborn thing.
  19. xorek
    xorek April 4 2021 11: 08
    -3
    Kravchuk: Ukraine will not go to war in Donbass

    Well, this Judas senses what will happen if the carnage is unleashed and the ghoul is not good for him, he will have to run ..
    And so it is very comfortable to bark at Russia, making various provocations and demanding money from the West for the war with Russia and immediately plundering them and throwing the population into poverty ..
  20. musorg
    musorg April 4 2021 11: 50
    -1
    In short, comrade Biden, we are afraid and will not climb. Come sit at the table and take us tilke back!
  21. iouris
    iouris April 4 2021 12: 23
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    Kravchuk is the mouthpiece of Nazi propaganda.
  22. Jaromir
    Jaromir April 4 2021 12: 28
    +2
    Ukraine will not go to war in Donbass

    Ukraine is not. And the occupying power in Kiev can start a war.
  23. Gardener91
    Gardener91 April 4 2021 12: 51
    +1
    To believe this traitor, separatist, propagandist is how to believe the devil. He is the devil in the flesh.
  24. Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 April 4 2021 13: 38
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    urina shit gayropes
    In recent years, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have become a real shield of Europe, and our country has become an active contributor to Euro-Atlantic security "
  25. Olkhovsky
    Olkhovsky April 4 2021 13: 59
    +1
    So it will be exactly the opposite.
  26. Reiter
    Reiter April 4 2021 15: 02
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    “The Ukrainian goal is such that people in the uncontrolled territories would live“ on the basis of Ukrainian law, democracy and freedom ”. Figase contradicts Kravchuk, if people do not want to live according to these laws of Ukrov, and you want to force them, then this is no longer freedom.
  27. Lister
    Lister April 4 2021 15: 35
    +2
    Kravchuk: Ukraine will not go to war in Donbass

    The tradition is fresh, but hard to believe. And Kravchuk is doubly lacking in faith.
  28. Olkhovsky
    Olkhovsky April 4 2021 16: 05
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    And there is now a mobilization, people who are subject to conscription are going to their homes, they are going to the Crimea, they are talking openly. And the Americans are driving the equipment. According to my distant relatives from there. I just spoke.
  29. monster
    monster April 4 2021 16: 27
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    Yes, let them go, nenka foolish, to the war with Russia. There is nothing to lose already. Poland, Hungary and Romania (all over the world) are determined to return their territories, froze at a low start, so to speak. So let it go.
  30. 123456789
    123456789 April 4 2021 18: 26
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    Abroad will help us.
  31. Saxahorse
    Saxahorse April 4 2021 19: 40
    +1
    Who will ask her, Ukraine? With the naked eye, you can see that the States are preparing Poland and Ukraine for our enemies. And of course, no one will ask either the Ukrainians or the Poles if they want to die on orders from America.
  32. oppozite28
    oppozite28 April 4 2021 23: 53
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    According to Kravchuk, at the same time "Ukraine will not be silent, it will respond with fire to fire, but also with good for good."
    It is curious what kind of Ukraine, in his statement, does Mr. Kravchuk once again IMPLY (mean), the one that was once headed or the current one led by Zelensky? what
  33. Evil 55
    Evil 55 April 5 2021 02: 15
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    "Viy" Kravchuk clearly lives somewhere in his own little world, remote from reality ..
  34. vavilon
    vavilon April 5 2021 12: 45
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    Saakashvili also put on a sheep's skin on the eve of the invasion, and we all know perfectly well how it ended, and only this victory is some kind of one-sided stopping everything half way from the west