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"We are talking about the latest version of the diesel-electric submarine": in Poland they called the actions of "Varshavyanka" in the Baltic Sea "alarming message"

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The Polish press was alarmed by the possibility of placing new Russian submarines in the Baltic Sea on a permanent basis. "Varshavyanka" of the latest modification significantly differ from the Black Sea diesel-electric submarines of the same type, creating an increased threat to Polish security.


Stayed away at a party


This opinion was expressed on the pages of the publication Defense24 in view of the statement made on April 1 by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on holding exercises in the Baltic with the participation of two submarines of project 636.3 "Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky" and "Volkhov". Initially, they were intended for the Pacific Fleet to reinforce the six Halibuts deployed here, but in the message of the RF Ministry of Defense they were assigned to the Baltic Fleet. Indirectly, the protracted transfer of "Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky" to the Pacific Ocean the fleet - The diesel-electric submarine was officially transferred to him back in November 2019.

Why did the Russians decide in this way to strengthen their submarine forces in the Baltic?

- indicated in the Polish edition, calling the actions of the new "Varshavyanka" in the Baltic "an alarming message".

During the indicated exercises "Varshavyanka" operated in a similar way, without having data on the location of the "enemy" forces. One of them secretly occupied a position, from where it searched for the enemy's submarine, attacked the "enemy" using torpedoes and performed a maneuver to evade return fire. The task of the other submarine was to detect an attack, evade a torpedo attack and deliver a counterstrike.

"We are talking about the latest version of the diesel-electric submarine": in Poland they called the actions of "Varshavyanka" in the Baltic Sea "alarming message"

One of the combat posts of the new "Varshavyanka"


Submarines have become more perfect


The situation looks very serious, since we are talking about the latest version of Project 636.3 submarines, which should be more perfect than the six units of this project, which were previously introduced into the Black Sea Fleet.

- noted in the publication.

The observer was concerned about the statements of the RF Ministry of Defense, according to which the last two "Varshavyankas" received additional sound insulation, have an updated inertial navigation system, the latest BIUS, as well as an upgraded system of missile and torpedo weapons.

Thanks to these changes, Project 636.3 submarines can be effectively used to destroy targets, surface, underwater and ground, plant sea mines, conduct reconnaissance

- says the observer, pointing out that the KR "Caliber", launched secretly from a submerged position from a pre-occupied position, is able to cover 2 thousand km.

According to him, there was already a precedent: two MRKs of the Buyan-M type, armed with Caliber, in November 2016, “suddenly appeared on a permanent basis in Baltiysk,” although they were originally intended for the Black Sea Fleet.

All those who believe that the Polish Navy should not have air and sea-based weapons to combat submarines should remember this ["Varshavyanka" in the Baltic Fleet]

- the author concludes.

Photos used:
Russian Defense Ministry website
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B April 4 2021 05: 24
    +21
    Poor, poor Poles!
    How many worries they have from Russia ...
    I suggest, as a consolation, to dig up Kaczynski again!
    This will distract them a little from the search for our submarines.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 4 2021 06: 36
      +4
      Quote: Victor_B
      Poor, poor Poles!
      How many worries they have from Russia ...

      if you cure your paranoia, the mass of "worries" will disappear
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon April 4 2021 10: 27
        +4
        Quote: Olgovich
        if you cure your paranoia, the mass of "worries" will disappear

        It cannot be cured. The disease is very neglected.
        1. Nemchinov Vl
          Nemchinov Vl April 6 2021 15: 45
          0
          The observer was concerned about the statements of the RF Ministry of Defense, according to which the last two "Varshavyankas" received additional sound insulation, have an updated inertial navigation system, the latest BIUS, as well as an upgraded system of missile and torpedo weapons.
          but this is also interesting:
          How is it that the issues with the PTZ of the boats that are being transferred to the fleet have been resolved at the present time? !!
    2. Theodore
      Theodore April 4 2021 06: 37
      +21
      But you must admit that in Warsaw, they are worried about Varshavyanka! A pun for comedians! laughing
      1. Machito
        Machito April 4 2021 11: 34
        +5
        Quote: Theodore
        But you must admit that in Warsaw, they are worried about Varshavyanka! A pun for comedians! laughing

        Warsaw women are like a bone in the throat for Warsaw. And the collision of the Polish scow with the support vessel of the SP-2 pipelayer does not bother the Poles? The Polish utyrs wanted to ram the pipelayer. For this, it would not hurt to send them to a meeting with Neptune.
    3. Hagen
      Hagen April 4 2021 10: 42
      +1
      Quote: Victor_B
      Poor, poor Poles!

      Why did they suddenly become poor? Loudly groaning about the Russian threat, they have already entered the US Department of Defense budget as a separate line. And what else is needed ?! Money from the EU and NATO will follow to strengthen the eastern flank. And this despite the fact that the number of donors in the EU has decreased, and the pandemic has put the whole of Europe on financial "suction". Poles in this case are literate beggars who receive from Germany, for example, what other recipients, for example, Greeks or Bulgarians, will not break off. Therefore, the Poles will continue to groan and respond to financial support with the next escalation in relations with Russia, like the recent incident with the pipelayer at SP-2.
    4. GTYCBJYTH2021
      GTYCBJYTH2021 April 4 2021 12: 46
      -8
      Quote: Victor_B
      Poor, poor Poles!
      How many worries they have from Russia ...
      I suggest, as a consolation, to dig up Kaczynski again!
      This will distract them a little from the search for our submarines.

      The cuckoo song sounded ... We only hear the rooster's praise ...
  2. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 April 4 2021 05: 25
    +5
    So let them continue to operate in the Baltic so that our neighbors there (Poles, Baltic "tigers" wassat ) take any inappropriate action, except for your "rotten" chatter?
  3. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 April 4 2021 05: 31
    +15
    It looks ridiculous howling wolves that the shepherd is keeping guard dogs. Although, these are not even wolves, but rather, as they were estimated even before WWII by W. Churchill
    1. venik
      venik April 4 2021 10: 49
      +4
      Quote: Vladimir61
      It looks ridiculous howling wolves that the shepherd is keeping guard dogs. Although, these are not even wolves, but rather, as they were estimated even before WWII by W. Churchill

      ========
      good What can I say? Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! I always believed that old man Winston was one of the smartest politicians of his time (and not only his own), albeit a rare brute! By the way, one does not interfere with the other, alas!
  4. Ravik
    Ravik April 4 2021 06: 01
    +8
    "Why did the Russians decide to strengthen their submarine forces in the Baltic in this way?"
    Why did the Poles decide to poke their attention to the barge Fortuna? Well, finally, it's interesting!
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 April 4 2021 06: 18
    +7
    creating an increased threat to Polish security
    And they wanted to shit, swing their fists, arrange provocations and at the same time feel safe? It’s strange.
    Why did the Russians decide in this way to strengthen their submarine forces in the Baltic?
    Is it not in the Baltics and Poland that the Americans are increasing the number of their troops? Are not NATO ships diving in the Baltic near the Russian borders, but aircraft only increasing the number of sorties in this region? Isn't Poland talking about Kaliningrad, calculating how long it will take to capture it? Poles don't want to answer these questions?
  6. aszzz888
    aszzz888 April 4 2021 06: 26
    +2
    Pshechnya whines in unison with its owners - the Merikatos! laughing and they will serve up the grub, and you need to show your loyalty once again! laughing
  7. mark1
    mark1 April 4 2021 07: 05
    +2
    This Poland is sick and tired with its syndrome of eternal resentment, there is too much of it in the Baltic, which does not correspond to either its rank or status. What does not sit quietly, in the 18th century they already suffered because of this - they listened to Oginsky's polonaise in America for almost 150 years.
  8. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 4 2021 07: 06
    +3
    Then, not 6 submarines, but 10 at least, it was necessary to build for each fleet. I hope that instead of the boats sent to the Baltic Sea, new submarines will be built for the Pacific Fleet.
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 April 4 2021 07: 09
      +2

      Thrifty
      Today, 07: 06
      0
      Then, not 6 submarines, but 10 at least, it was necessary to build for each fleet. ...
      And, I suppose, they would not be superfluous!
  9. Popandos
    Popandos April 4 2021 08: 11
    +3
    Poles expressed concern? It means that we need to build a couple more boats for the Baltic so that we can start writing protests. In the modern world, only strength seems to be respected.
  10. knn54
    knn54 April 4 2021 08: 13
    +3
    The diameter of the torpedo device is 533mm. "Shove" there a cruise missile with a range of 2000 km. it is, without exaggeration, an outstanding achievement. One of the masterpieces of the defense industry.
    Varshavyanka vs Warsaw is not humor, it's karma.
    1. mvg
      mvg April 4 2021 09: 41
      -3
      One of the masterpieces of the defense industry.

      This "masterpiece" will be older than me. 3M10 Garnet, the beginning of development 1975, operation since 1984

      TTX missiles 3M-10 "Granat"

      The length of the rocket with the launch stage - 8.09 m
      Missile length - 6.2 m
      Case Diameter - 510 mm
      Capsule diameter - 533 mm
      Wingspan - 3.3 m

      Starting weight - 2385 kg
      Rocket weight without starting engine - 1103 kg
      Warhead weight - not less than 200 kg

      Range - 3000 km
      Flight speed - 720 km / h
      Flight altitude - 15-200 m
      Launch depth - up to 40 m

      PS: Stop wailing about the genius of the designers who, 40+ years later, repeated what the Americans and the USSR already knew how to do well THEN.
    2. alexmach
      alexmach April 4 2021 11: 40
      -1
      "Shove" there a cruise missile with a range of 2000 km. this is, without exaggeration, an outstanding achievement

      And this achievement is already 40 years old.
  11. xorek
    xorek April 4 2021 08: 29
    0
    Why did the Russians decide in this way to strengthen their submarine forces in the Baltic?

    And so as not to run away if something happens .. laughing wassat
  12. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 4 2021 08: 41
    +4
    laughing
    Is the old Polish woman Russian? yes .. a smile pulls out a wallet shows a photo: laughing
  13. cniza
    cniza April 4 2021 09: 09
    +3
    Why did the Russians decide in this way to strengthen their submarine forces in the Baltic?


    What's your business?
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    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 4 2021 10: 59
      +5
      Quote: rudolff
      If they leave two Pacific ones, there will be at least something. But KTOF is also naked. Y-yes, a dilemma ...

      Rudolph, hello! drinks
      Judging by the text, one handles L-3 in a duel situation.
      They are "quiet-haired girls": they were built for the Pacific Fleet, and they will go there as part of a caravan along the NSR as soon as ice conditions permit.
      Why are they now assigned to the Baltic? Because the PL cannot be ownerless. All tofyats - new buildings and those coming to St. Petersburg for repairs - were temporarily reassigned to the BF. This is a well-established practice. And the TOF marching headquarters flew to the transition and took them through the passing BS to their native land ...
      Maybe I'm wrong. The international situation is now slippery. Amy pump the pump around the SP-2. Therefore, anything is possible. Psheks know this, therefore they fuss, tk. in which case they will have to be the first to disentangle it ...
      But the names of the few speak for the fact that they will not serve in the Baltic, but in the Pacific Fleet! But, I repeat, now - everything is possible!
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        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa April 4 2021 11: 37
          +4
          Quote: rudolff
          Frets threaten to leave in the Baltic. Unless they replay it again.

          About the 677 project. "S-Pb" after repair and modernization, and 2 units under construction (Kronstadt, Velikie Luki) should already be built taking into account the "correction of errors." But in their "totem" they are anti-submarine. Moreover, S-Pb was worked out for a long time in ice conditions. Who else but them to graze the Motovsky Bay and the surrounding area (strategists need to be provided with their PLO and their OPB).
          Perhaps they will be returned to the Baltic after an SLBM from 677D is formed in the North. After all, they plan to build 6 buildings ... Or they will immediately pack the brigade with a 777A project. However, this is a matter of a not expensive future ... yes
          But everything is possible in our time ... The opponents began to maneuver on the counter-courses ... not to be foolishly faced!
          But.
  15. mvg
    mvg April 4 2021 10: 00
    .
    One of the combat posts of the new "Varshavyanka"

    I remember the 90s, and so the control panels of the BCH-2 MRK 1234 visually looked the same .. in the sense of one era. My question is: Is it a tribute to the tradition that after 30 years everything looks the same? Or our conservatism?
    It seems to me that an ordinary desktop home computer can do more than the entire Varshavyanka computing bridge. Why carry so much iron under water for free ??? Do they hope that someday diesel-electric submarines will fall under the "knife" and they will get a good job on the "vtorchermet"?
    941 dragged 10+ thousand tons of water, also for free ... and so you can see it on any ship .. I don't see where the comfortable workstations are, where are the normal LCD screens, don't you get tired of looking at the arrows and bulbs?
    1. AVA77
      AVA77 April 4 2021 12: 49
      +6
      Well, tech and launch your usual desktop home computer, for a start, you can go to the bath, well, or a trough, into a basin to the extreme wassat
      1. mvg
        mvg April 4 2021 16: 01
        -2
        launch your regular desktop home computer

        For enlightenment, I’ll tell you one thing, just don’t tell anyone ... Many branded system units have passive cooling radiators, both on the CPU and on the power supply unit, i.e. sealing the system unit is very simple, just like the monitor (this is the kind of thing where the image is displayed, if that). There are telephones and laptops that work easily at 40 m depth. For diesel-electric submarines, the degree of protection IP69C will be sufficient.
        PS: Well, you can drown yourself in the basin, again, do not tell anyone that I advised this, otherwise they will be considered a call to suicide ... Sami, yourself, pliz ... and do not forget to draw a touching note: like there "develop the ashes over the sea (in the end)"
        1. AVA77
          AVA77 April 4 2021 18: 21
          +5
          Yes, all this is great, there are such computers hurray hurray, and in Paris there is an eiffel tower, and what next. So computers and other electronic trinkets need electricity, and according to statistics, electronics breaks down more often than scrap iron wassat .
          An ordinary pressure gauge does not care about energy, it is mechanical, it takes and just shows
          pressure in the line or overboard and the thermometer do not care. The short circuit in the compartment, the numbers went out and what's next. For this, there is a duplication of the main systems by mechanics.
          And you all the same put the computer on the water. Suddenly he's a true submarine. wassat
  16. Archemor
    Archemor April 4 2021 10: 39
    0
    Soon in your news feed: A RF Armed Forces ensign sneezed towards Poland. The Polish authorities accuse Russia of using biological weapons.
  17. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 April 4 2021 11: 21
    +3
    Why did the Russians decide in this way to strengthen their submarine forces in the Baltic?
    - indicated in the Polish edition

    And at least so that you can fish more carefully next to the work on SP2.
    1. Petrol cutter
      Petrol cutter April 4 2021 17: 19
      +1
      Correct thought. I respect you. yes
  18. alexmach
    alexmach April 4 2021 11: 48
    0
    Of course, it's funny about the concern of the Poles, but they made a very interesting observation.
  19. ZAV69
    ZAV69 April 4 2021 18: 50
    +2
    But if Aurora is put on the move, armed and put out to sea, then the generals will jump out of the windows to the march in their MO.
    1. Shadow041
      Shadow041 April 5 2021 12: 09
      +3
      It's always like this with the panami. First they go to take Moscow, and then they begin to whine that the Russians took Warsaw and stuffed the Polish Army in the face ... As for Aurora, she was normally armed with 152mm cannons. So if you bring Aurora into combat condition, the Poles will whine that the Russian Federation is preparing an amphibious assault on Gdansk, and Aurora will provide fire support to the Russian Marine Corps, destroying the barracks of the Polish garrison with her guns. laughing
  20. Shadow041
    Shadow041 April 5 2021 11: 59
    +3
    Probably this is the response of the Russian Federation to the Polish military provocations during the construction of the SP-2, because both a Polish submarine and a Polish frigate were noted there. So now do not whine, gentlemen, Poles, they were bullying themselves. And now it turns out about SO