"We are talking about the latest version of the diesel-electric submarine": in Poland they called the actions of "Varshavyanka" in the Baltic Sea "alarming message"

The Polish press was alarmed by the possibility of placing new Russian submarines in the Baltic Sea on a permanent basis. "Varshavyanka" of the latest modification significantly differ from the Black Sea diesel-electric submarines of the same type, creating an increased threat to Polish security.

Stayed away at a party

This opinion was expressed on the pages of the publication Defense24 in view of the statement made on April 1 by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on holding exercises in the Baltic with the participation of two submarines of project 636.3 "Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky" and "Volkhov". Initially, they were intended for the Pacific Fleet to reinforce the six Halibuts deployed here, but in the message of the RF Ministry of Defense they were assigned to the Baltic Fleet. Indirectly, the protracted transfer of "Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky" to the Pacific Ocean the fleet - The diesel-electric submarine was officially transferred to him back in November 2019.

Why did the Russians decide in this way to strengthen their submarine forces in the Baltic?

- indicated in the Polish edition, calling the actions of the new "Varshavyanka" in the Baltic "an alarming message".

During the indicated exercises "Varshavyanka" operated in a similar way, without having data on the location of the "enemy" forces. One of them secretly occupied a position, from where it searched for the enemy's submarine, attacked the "enemy" using torpedoes and performed a maneuver to evade return fire. The task of the other submarine was to detect an attack, evade a torpedo attack and deliver a counterstrike.

One of the combat posts of the new "Varshavyanka"

Submarines have become more perfect

The situation looks very serious, since we are talking about the latest version of Project 636.3 submarines, which should be more perfect than the six units of this project, which were previously introduced into the Black Sea Fleet.

- noted in the publication.

The observer was concerned about the statements of the RF Ministry of Defense, according to which the last two "Varshavyankas" received additional sound insulation, have an updated inertial navigation system, the latest BIUS, as well as an upgraded system of missile and torpedo weapons.

Thanks to these changes, Project 636.3 submarines can be effectively used to destroy targets, surface, underwater and ground, plant sea mines, conduct reconnaissance

- says the observer, pointing out that the KR "Caliber", launched secretly from a submerged position from a pre-occupied position, is able to cover 2 thousand km.

According to him, there was already a precedent: two MRKs of the Buyan-M type, armed with Caliber, in November 2016, “suddenly appeared on a permanent basis in Baltiysk,” although they were originally intended for the Black Sea Fleet.

All those who believe that the Polish Navy should not have air and sea-based weapons to combat submarines should remember this ["Varshavyanka" in the Baltic Fleet]

- the author concludes.

Comments

[Victor_B]

Poor, poor Poles!
How many worries they have from Russia ...
I suggest, as a consolation, to dig up Kaczynski again!
This will distract them a little from the search for our submarines.

[Olgovich]

Quote: Victor_B

Poor, poor Poles!
How many worries they have from Russia ...

if you cure your paranoia, the mass of "worries" will disappear

[Piramidon]

Quote: Olgovich

if you cure your paranoia, the mass of "worries" will disappear

It cannot be cured. The disease is very neglected.

[Nemchinov Vl]

The observer was concerned about the statements of the RF Ministry of Defense, according to which the last two "Varshavyankas" received additional sound insulation, have an updated inertial navigation system, the latest BIUS, as well as an upgraded system of missile and torpedo weapons.

but this is also interesting:
How is it that the issues with the PTZ of the boats that are being transferred to the fleet have been resolved at the present time? !!

[Theodore]

But you must admit that in Warsaw, they are worried about Varshavyanka! A pun for comedians!

[Machito]

Quote: Theodore

But you must admit that in Warsaw, they are worried about Varshavyanka! A pun for comedians!

Warsaw women are like a bone in the throat for Warsaw. And the collision of the Polish scow with the support vessel of the SP-2 pipelayer does not bother the Poles? The Polish utyrs wanted to ram the pipelayer. For this, it would not hurt to send them to a meeting with Neptune.

[hagen]

Quote: Victor_B

Poor, poor Poles!

Why did they suddenly become poor? Loudly groaning about the Russian threat, they have already entered the US Department of Defense budget as a separate line. And what else is needed ?! Money from the EU and NATO will follow to strengthen the eastern flank. And this despite the fact that the number of donors in the EU has decreased, and the pandemic has put the whole of Europe on financial "suction". Poles in this case are literate beggars who receive from Germany, for example, what other recipients, for example, Greeks or Bulgarians, will not break off. Therefore, the Poles will continue to groan and respond to financial support with the next escalation in relations with Russia, like the recent incident with the pipelayer at SP-2.

[GTYCBJYTH2021]

Quote: Victor_B

Poor, poor Poles!
How many worries they have from Russia ...
I suggest, as a consolation, to dig up Kaczynski again!
This will distract them a little from the search for our submarines.

The cuckoo song sounded ... We only hear the rooster's praise ...

[Retvizan 8]

So let them continue to operate in the Baltic so that our neighbors there (Poles, Baltic "tigers" ) take any inappropriate action, except for your "rotten" chatter?

[Vladimir61]

It looks ridiculous howling wolves that the shepherd is keeping guard dogs. Although, these are not even wolves, but rather, as they were estimated even before WWII by W. Churchill

[venik]

Quote: Vladimir61

It looks ridiculous howling wolves that the shepherd is keeping guard dogs. Although, these are not even wolves, but rather, as they were estimated even before WWII by W. Churchill

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What can I say? Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye! I always believed that old man Winston was one of the smartest politicians of his time (and not only his own), albeit a rare brute! By the way, one does not interfere with the other, alas!

[Ravik]

"Why did the Russians decide to strengthen their submarine forces in the Baltic in this way?"
Why did the Poles decide to poke their attention to the barge Fortuna? Well, finally, it's interesting!

[rotmistr60]

creating an increased threat to Polish security

And they wanted to shit, swing their fists, arrange provocations and at the same time feel safe? It’s strange.

Why did the Russians decide in this way to strengthen their submarine forces in the Baltic?

Is it not in the Baltics and Poland that the Americans are increasing the number of their troops? Are not NATO ships diving in the Baltic near the Russian borders, but aircraft only increasing the number of sorties in this region? Isn't Poland talking about Kaliningrad, calculating how long it will take to capture it? Poles don't want to answer these questions?

[aszzz888]

Pshechnya whines in unison with its owners - the Merikatos! and they will serve up the grub, and you need to show your loyalty once again!

[mark1]

This Poland is sick and tired with its syndrome of eternal resentment, there is too much of it in the Baltic, which does not correspond to either its rank or status. What does not sit quietly, in the 18th century they already suffered because of this - they listened to Oginsky's polonaise in America for almost 150 years.

[Thrifty]

Then, not 6 submarines, but 10 at least, it was necessary to build for each fleet. I hope that instead of the boats sent to the Baltic Sea, new submarines will be built for the Pacific Fleet.

[aszzz888]

Thrifty
Today, 07: 06
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Then, not 6 submarines, but 10 at least, it was necessary to build for each fleet. ...

And, I suppose, they would not be superfluous!

[Popandos]

Poles expressed concern? It means that we need to build a couple more boats for the Baltic so that we can start writing protests. In the modern world, only strength seems to be respected.

[knn54]

The diameter of the torpedo device is 533mm. "Shove" there a cruise missile with a range of 2000 km. it is, without exaggeration, an outstanding achievement. One of the masterpieces of the defense industry.
Varshavyanka vs Warsaw is not humor, it's karma.

[mvg]

One of the masterpieces of the defense industry.

This "masterpiece" will be older than me. 3M10 Garnet, the beginning of development 1975, operation since 1984

TTX missiles 3M-10 "Granat"

The length of the rocket with the launch stage - 8.09 m
Missile length - 6.2 m
Case Diameter - 510 mm
Capsule diameter - 533 mm
Wingspan - 3.3 m

Starting weight - 2385 kg
Rocket weight without starting engine - 1103 kg
Warhead weight - not less than 200 kg

Range - 3000 km
Flight speed - 720 km / h
Flight altitude - 15-200 m
Launch depth - up to 40 m

PS: Stop wailing about the genius of the designers who, 40+ years later, repeated what the Americans and the USSR already knew how to do well THEN.

[alexmach]

"Shove" there a cruise missile with a range of 2000 km. this is, without exaggeration, an outstanding achievement

And this achievement is already 40 years old.

[xorek]

Why did the Russians decide in this way to strengthen their submarine forces in the Baltic?

And so as not to run away if something happens ..

[Gennady Fomkin]

Is the old Polish woman Russian? yes .. a smile pulls out a wallet shows a photo:

[cniza]

Why did the Russians decide in this way to strengthen their submarine forces in the Baltic?

What's your business?

[Boa kaa]

Quote from rudolf

If they leave two Pacific ones, there will be at least something. But KTOF is also naked. Y-yes, a dilemma ...

Rudolph, hello!
Judging by the text, one handles L-3 in a duel situation.
They are "quiet-haired girls": they were built for the Pacific Fleet, and they will go there as part of a caravan along the NSR as soon as ice conditions permit.
Why are they now assigned to the Baltic? Because the PL cannot be ownerless. All tofyats - new buildings and those coming to St. Petersburg for repairs - were temporarily reassigned to the BF. This is a well-established practice. And the TOF marching headquarters flew to the transition and took them through the passing BS to their native land ...
Maybe I'm wrong. The international situation is now slippery. Amy pump the pump around the SP-2. Therefore, anything is possible. Psheks know this, therefore they fuss, tk. in which case they will have to be the first to disentangle it ...
But the names of the few speak for the fact that they will not serve in the Baltic, but in the Pacific Fleet! But, I repeat, now - everything is possible!

[Boa kaa]

Quote from rudolf

Frets threaten to leave in the Baltic. Unless they replay it again.

About the 677 project. "S-Pb" after repair and modernization, and 2 units under construction (Kronstadt, Velikie Luki) should already be built taking into account the "correction of errors." But in their "totem" they are anti-submarine. Moreover, S-Pb was worked out for a long time in ice conditions. Who else but them to graze the Motovsky Bay and the surrounding area (strategists need to be provided with their PLO and their OPB).
Perhaps they will be returned to the Baltic after an SLBM from 677D is formed in the North. After all, they plan to build 6 buildings ... Or they will immediately pack the brigade with a 777A project. However, this is a matter of a not expensive future ...
But everything is possible in our time ... The opponents began to maneuver on the counter-courses ... not to be foolishly faced!
But.

[mvg]

One of the combat posts of the new "Varshavyanka"

I remember the 90s, and so the control panels of the BCH-2 MRK 1234 visually looked the same .. in the sense of one era. My question is: Is it a tribute to the tradition that after 30 years everything looks the same? Or our conservatism?
It seems to me that an ordinary desktop home computer can do more than the entire Varshavyanka computing bridge. Why carry so much iron under water for free ??? Do they hope that someday diesel-electric submarines will fall under the "knife" and they will get a good job on the "vtorchermet"?
941 dragged 10+ thousand tons of water, also for free ... and so you can see it on any ship .. I don't see where the comfortable workstations are, where are the normal LCD screens, don't you get tired of looking at the arrows and bulbs?

[AVA77]

Well, tech and launch your usual desktop home computer, for a start, you can go to the bath, well, or a trough, into a basin to the extreme

[mvg]

launch your regular desktop home computer

For enlightenment, I’ll tell you one thing, just don’t tell anyone ... Many branded system units have passive cooling radiators, both on the CPU and on the power supply unit, i.e. sealing the system unit is very simple, just like the monitor (this is the kind of thing where the image is displayed, if that). There are telephones and laptops that work easily at 40 m depth. For diesel-electric submarines, the degree of protection IP69C will be sufficient.
PS: Well, you can drown yourself in the basin, again, do not tell anyone that I advised this, otherwise they will be considered a call to suicide ... Sami, yourself, pliz ... and do not forget to draw a touching note: like there "develop the ashes over the sea (in the end)"

[AVA77]

Yes, all this is great, there are such computers hurray hurray, and in Paris there is an eiffel tower, and what next. So computers and other electronic trinkets need electricity, and according to statistics, electronics breaks down more often than scrap iron .
An ordinary pressure gauge does not care about energy, it is mechanical, it takes and just shows
pressure in the line or overboard and the thermometer do not care. The short circuit in the compartment, the numbers went out and what's next. For this, there is a duplication of the main systems by mechanics.
And you all the same put the computer on the water. Suddenly he's a true submarine.

[Archemor]

Soon in your news feed: A RF Armed Forces ensign sneezed towards Poland. The Polish authorities accuse Russia of using biological weapons.

[Vasyan1971]

Why did the Russians decide in this way to strengthen their submarine forces in the Baltic?
- indicated in the Polish edition

And at least so that you can fish more carefully next to the work on SP2.

[petrol cutter]

Correct thought. I respect you.

[alexmach]

Of course, it's funny about the concern of the Poles, but they made a very interesting observation.

[ZAV69]

But if Aurora is put on the move, armed and put out to sea, then the generals will jump out of the windows to the march in their MO.

[Shadow041]

It's always like this with the panami. First they go to take Moscow, and then they begin to whine that the Russians took Warsaw and stuffed the Polish Army in the face ... As for Aurora, she was normally armed with 152mm cannons. So if you bring Aurora into combat condition, the Poles will whine that the Russian Federation is preparing an amphibious assault on Gdansk, and Aurora will provide fire support to the Russian Marine Corps, destroying the barracks of the Polish garrison with her guns.

[Shadow041]

Probably this is the response of the Russian Federation to the Polish military provocations during the construction of the SP-2, because both a Polish submarine and a Polish frigate were noted there. So now do not whine, gentlemen, Poles, they were bullying themselves. And now it turns out about SO