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US dominance in space: objective reality or exaggeration

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In the spring of last year, the Falcon 9 launch vehicle with the Dragon spacecraft was launched in the United States, delivering two astronauts to the ISS. The launch was carried out from the launch site of the cosmodrome, located at Cape Canaveral, Florida. For the first time in nine years, the United States completed a manned flight into low-earth orbit using a launch vehicle and a spacecraft of its own design. Thus, the United States, after a nine-year hiatus, returned to manned space flights.


For the joy of Elon Musk's fans and the pessimistic statements of officials and the leadership of Roscosmos, what has already happened is overlooked. The launch of the spacecraft, developed by SpaceX, marked the end of the era of internationalism in space exploration and the beginning of a new phase of US dominance in space. Let's try to figure it out, this dominance is an objective reality and yet an exaggeration.

Along with the newly emerged possibility of sending crews into space by an American rocket, other important events also occurred. Blue Origin has developed a new reusable methane engine BE-4, and the well-known SpaceX has not lagged behind it, having developed the Raptor closed-loop liquid-propellant rocket engine. As for the latter, its creation is based on a rather unique concept, so far no one has been able to implement it in practice, but a detailed story about it is beyond the scope of this article.

With these developments in its arsenal, the United States has become more independent from Russia in the development of rocket engines. Further plans of the Americans in the field of space exploration relate to the promising development of an orbital platform as a place for their crews to stay in space, and the continuation of programs similar to the ISS in near-earth orbit, with all the financial costs and technical problems, is no longer a priority. Thus, in fact, the United States is the only country ready to actually build a platform in lunar orbit.

The 45th President of the United States, Donald Trump, signed a decree securing the right of the United States to extract resources in space, this document demonstrated the approach of the American elites to solving global issues. The decree developed by Washington secures the right of the United States to use natural resources in outer space exclusively in its own interests, and emphasizes that they cannot be common property.

Today, the United States has a limited circle of competitors in space exploration, and is not going to reckon not only with the international community, but also with its allies. The technological superiority of the United States in space is also evident. It is difficult to imagine that in the near future their competitors will be able to rise to the same level and compete with them in this area.

The Russian space program, unfortunately, looks like a pale shadow of the Soviet Union's program. For all the time after the collapse of the USSR, no breakthrough technologies have been developed, no new space technology has been created, perhaps, with the exception of the Angara rocket, which has yet to gain credibility. The weakness of the Russian economy, brain drain, inadequate technical education system, current international sanctions and export restrictions, state monopoly of the space industry and lack of full-scale private investment are the reasons for the decay of the space industry.



Now many will remember the inclusion of China in the space race, but do not overestimate the capabilities of the Chinese space program. Of course, they have achieved some success, but their program is in many ways a "light" version of the Soviet one. So far, they are using the old Soviet technologies obtained by hook or by crook, and in the level of development of rocket technologies, and even more so, in the creation of reliable, technologically advanced spacecraft, here, in this area, China is lagging behind in tens of years. And if we take into account the powerful impetus of recent years, provided by American private investment and participation, then this lag will only grow. But this is my opinion. I believe that it is necessary to take into account the fact that the United States is building new trade barriers, introducing a ban on the export of dual technologies, banning the training of Chinese students in American universities, freezing scientific exchange programs, introducing new sanctions against Chinese companies, which has a noticeable impact on the pace development of the Chinese economy, all this practically negates the chances of China to become a worthy competitor to the United States in space exploration.

Humanity itself at this historical stage has changed the motivation for space exploration. The competition of systems in space that took place in the second half of the 20th century, with elements of romance and the spirit of internationalism in this area, in the current reality gave way to pragmatism and economic calculations. Until now, the space industry has had relatively low monetary turnover, especially when compared to other sectors of the economy. Now it is becoming obvious that the possibilities of space exploration promise huge economic prospects and will ensure the leading position of countries and the development of economies.

For example, a huge amount of solar energy in outer space will allow it to be used not only in space, but also for transmission and use on Earth, and great prospects for the extraction of rare earth metals are opening up.

It is the prospects for the development of private business that are the locomotive of the development strategy of the US space program. There, it is not the president and not the space exploration department who are the initiators and conductors of the whole process; it is private entrepreneurs and the investors who support them that are the main driving force of the entire space industry. Almost all American industry companies are potential players in space.



Amazon, Blue Origin are planning to launch 3236 LEO communications satellites under the Kuiper communications project to cover most of the planet with a signal. In February 2021, SpaceX launched another 60 satellites for the Starlink Internet (a next-generation satellite network for broadband Internet access) into orbit. The satellites will operate in an orbit with an altitude of 290 kilometers. Apple and Facebook are developing their secret space projects.

Since we are talking about huge opportunities and very big money, the United States is not at all interested in coordinating its plans with Europe and other states, only leaving them the opportunity to join on their own terms, or be left out of work.

Whether the Russian space industry will be able to withstand competition in the near future is still an open question.
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  1. knn54
    knn54 April 3 2021 17: 04
    -14%
    Neither the RF, nor the PRC, nor Europe, nor India can survive the space race with the Yankees alone.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 April 3 2021 17: 10
      +2
      I would not be so categorical about the PRC. So far - they show very good dynamics, especially when you consider when and where they started .. And the Russian Federation - yes, under such a wise leadership and an outrageous cut - it's surprising that something else flies ... Even a long-licked Soviet one ..
      1. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb April 3 2021 18: 46
        +12
        No need to catch up. We need to reach a new level of technology. Brand new.

        I believe in a nuclear powered space tug. We won't get far on chemical rockets.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 April 3 2021 19: 09
          -4
          We won't get far on chemical rockets.

          On the cut of the dough, even more so.
        2. Pontiffsulyvahn
          Pontiffsulyvahn April 3 2021 19: 11
          -13%
          Nuclear engine? That's how-know. And who makes a nuclear powered tug?
          1. Artyom Karagodin
            Artyom Karagodin April 3 2021 19: 31
            +12
            Actually, we are. Moreover, this is the case when we are not talking about Rogozin's bravado, but about a real project that is being implemented in practice. Find publications on the site about "Nuclon" - this is the name of a nuclear tug.
            1. Pontiffsulyvahn
              Pontiffsulyvahn April 3 2021 19: 33
              -6
              Wow, well, you can only rejoice. Since Artyom Karagodin himself said that on a nuclear engine ...
              True, the engine there is not nuclear, but the most that neither is electroreactive, but what's the difference, right?
              1. Artyom Karagodin
                Artyom Karagodin April 3 2021 22: 53
                +5
                Why this sarcasm? Does he seem witty to you? However, you are right that in "Nuclon" there is not a nuclear engine, but several ionic ones. It's just that a nuclear reactor is used there to heat the working fluid. But this is an insignificant trifle, right?
                1. KCA
                  KCA April 4 2021 04: 51
                  +6
                  In nuclear power plants there is only an ancient, ancient dynamo machine, a generator, and an atomic reactor is used only for heating water and generating steam, but this is an insignificant trifle, why are nuclear power plants called atomic?
                2. Pontiffsulyvahn
                  Pontiffsulyvahn April 4 2021 11: 06
                  -2
                  To the fact that people do not understand what they are talking about. Heard about the "nuclear tug" and are talking nonsense.
                  Even if we put aside the fact that it will not be.
                  1. The engines are not nuclear.
                  2. The tug does not eliminate the need to put into orbit on chemical engines
                  3. Its application is extremely limited by the Earth-Moon orbit, which is why it makes sense only for the lunar program.
                  1. Artyom Karagodin
                    Artyom Karagodin April 4 2021 11: 42
                    -1
                    The developers have stated otherwise. For some reason, they have more faith than you.
                    1. Pontiffsulyvahn
                      Pontiffsulyvahn April 4 2021 11: 55
                      +1
                      You just have a short memory. If you followed this scam, you would remember that the developers have stated a lot of things. For example, testing will begin in 2020.
                      And then the hop - and the transfer to 2030. Then the hop - and the rejection of the drip radiator. Then hop - and power reduction.
                      And much more. But you keep believing the chatter.
                      I've been not so naive for a long time and only believe in deeds.
                      1. Artyom Karagodin
                        Artyom Karagodin April 4 2021 11: 56
                        0
                        What a fine fellow you are! I'm incredibly happy for you!
            2. Simargl
              Simargl April 14 2021 19: 41
              0
              Quote: Artyom Karagodin
              Actually, we are.
              In fact, we are an electric rocket with a nuclear power plant and sworn partners - a thermal one with a nuclear power plant.
              1. Artyom Karagodin
                Artyom Karagodin April 15 2021 11: 25
                0
                As for the American, I only heard that they are doing worse with nuclear power plants, but the engines are not ionic, but plasma, whose specific impulse is almost twice as high. And they are better protected from wear and tear. the working fluid is placed in an electromagnetic trap and does not come into contact with the walls of the engine in any way.

                But I didn’t hear that they started to combine all this into one complex, as we did. There, it seems, each element is tested separately. However, I could be wrong, and I will be glad to receive more new information.
                1. Simargl
                  Simargl April 27 2021 19: 57
                  -1
                  Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                  but the engines are not ionic, but plasma
                  Uh ...
                  Quote: Simargl
                  sworn partners - thermal, with nuclear power
                  The nuclear power plant heats the working fluid, which ... is ejected through the nozzle ...
                  This option is much easier.
      2. Cosm22
        Cosm22 April 3 2021 18: 58
        +6
        It's not even a matter of being categorical. And in the wrong formulation of some of the questions in the article.
        The fact that the latter is purely rhetorical is understandable. If Russia holds the third place in the world in terms of launches this or next year, it will be very good and, in general, a ceiling possible today. Higher than which, as you know, you cannot jump. True, what will happen to the stat after the end of the contract with OneWeb is difficult to say. Russia itself does not produce PN in sufficient quantities, competition on the international market is off scale, and the fifth Angara has nothing to do with its price there.
        But here's how to understand this passage “So far, they are using old Soviet technologies obtained by hook or by crook, and in the level of development of rocket technologies, and even more so, in the creation of reliable, technologically advanced space vehicles, here, in this area, China is lagging behind in tens of years. "?
        What is China's lag behind Russia today?
        Maybe it is Russia, not China, that makes new launch vehicles, rather than engaging in endless "modernizations" of old ones?
        Maybe it is Russia, not China, that has a new QC in its hardware? And not some incomprehensible plastic model?
        Maybe it is Russia, not China, that has already mastered the production of hydrogen engines? And declares a turn to create reusable steps? In the CZ-8, for example?
        Maybe it is Russia today, and not China, doing whatever you want in a circumlunar orbit - docking and undocking in automatic mode, delivering lunar soil to Earth? Are Russian lunar rovers crawling on the moon?
        Maybe it is Russia, not China, that has firmly planned the assembly of its own OS for the next year? And no doubt what will do it?
        I am guessing ...
        And then. How to understand this - "The United States is building new trade barriers, introducing a ban on the export of dual technologies, banning the training of Chinese students in American universities, freezing scientific exchange programs, introducing new sanctions against Chinese companies, which has a significant impact on the pace of development of the Chinese economy, all this practically negates the chances of China to become a worthy competitor to the United States in space exploration. "
        So who is China allegedly stealing space technology from - from Russia or from the United States?
        1. Pontiffsulyvahn
          Pontiffsulyvahn April 3 2021 19: 20
          0
          The third will hold back. The EU and India are launching a little, sometimes they do not even reach a dozen. Judging by the launch plans, in any case we will have about 15 per year.
    2. Pontiffsulyvahn
      Pontiffsulyvahn April 3 2021 19: 09
      +3
      China has a chance, they have a cool space program. Perhaps they are now being selected for second place.
      Although they are still 10 years old to the current level of the United States, no less. Or maybe all 15-20. The states will not stand still either.
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 April 3 2021 19: 26
        +5
        It depends on what time units the current level is to be measured in.
        If we take the last five-year plan and exclude the Spaces, leaving even Bezos, then he is not so dominant. There are no American super breakthroughs, unlike China. China rushes forward like a tank. And considering the completely different starting conditions ...
        You are right that the potential of the States is, of course, greater. When it comes to really big projects like Artemis or Gateway, the dominance of the States will be undeniable. ESA will only be in the wings. And on the Moon, China today, apparently, did everything he could. With the lunar rovers, the issue has been resolved, the docking in the lunar orbit has been completed, and the lunar soil has been delivered to Earth. Now on the agenda is the creation of a near-earth OS. It will be difficult for China to pull other projects in parallel.
        And the US has its hands free. They can take the moon seriously. However, let's see.
        1. Pontiffsulyvahn
          Pontiffsulyvahn April 3 2021 19: 31
          +2
          Why would SpaceX rule out? The American breakthrough recently landed on Mars, and it is far from alone.
          Again, there's just a bunch of late-stage space startups out there. Electron, for example, even though there is a lot of New Zealand.
          In a couple of years there will be Vulcan and New Glenn and a bunch of smaller rackets.
          Lunar program - no one at all will reach this.
          1. Cosm22
            Cosm22 April 3 2021 20: 43
            +4
            Yes, formally a company under American jurisdiction. But in my opinion, this is a global phenomenon. Regardless of the specific country where it takes place.
            But this phenomenon owes its appearance to the genius of a single person. If it weren't for the Mask, there would be no Spaces either. Only the enthusiasm, drive, energy and flair of the Mask allows the Spaces to demonstrate such amazing success. This is why I put SpaceX apart. This is a very unique phenomenon. Although, of course, owned by the States.
            But all the other participants have not yet demonstrated tremendous success. Recently, I emphasize.
            Routine work is in progress.
            At NASA, ULA, Rocket Lab, Blue Origin, etc. But nothing more. Yes, there was Mars. There will be a drone flight (we hope), there will be a new telescope, there will be other spacecraft, etc. But it would be strange if such a space country as the USA did not show these successes.
            But China is making headway in space. Moreover, I will note for the second time, from much worse starting positions. That's why he got an A from me. It is this fact that I noted.
            And the prospects, of course, for the near future are determined absolutely precisely: the United States is in the first place, China is in the second.
            1. Pontiffsulyvahn
              Pontiffsulyvahn April 3 2021 20: 46
              +1
              I agree about Musk, but he himself said more than once that SpaceX could only be implemented in the states.
              We'll see about the rest. There are really a lot of startups there, they should start to show themselves.
              1. Cosm22
                Cosm22 April 3 2021 21: 16
                +4
                Certainly.
                I just want to clarify my point a little.
                US space dominance is undeniable. This has not been discussed yet.
                But that was to be expected. This is the point.
                But what Musk and China have shown in the past 5 years is somewhat unexpected.
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik April 3 2021 21: 18
                  -7
                  African Americans play a big role in the US, Musk being a prime example of this. Maybe this is even good? smile
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 April 3 2021 22: 28
            0
            "In a couple of years there will be Vulcan and New Glenn" It may or may not be like a reusable first stage should be based on the new BE 4. certainty that BE 4 will not happen.
            1. Venya Selnikov
              Venya Selnikov April 12 2021 11: 42
              0
              At Musk, Raptors are already being tested in very difficult modes (in full-scale experiments!), Which will not be in the same Vulcan (re-launch in the opposite flow, fast and deep throttling). And no reuse at first in the Volcano is expected.
              So there is an expectation that the BE-4 will do just fine.
              Musk just set a cool goal for himself. He needs not just a methane engine, but an engine, and an inexpensive one, which can be mocked as you like, and he will continue to work normally.
    3. Financier
      Financier April 3 2021 22: 18
      +5
      Quote: knn54
      Neither the RF, nor the PRC, nor Europe, nor India can survive the space race with the Yankees alone.

      I don't think that anyone other than us is in the space race with the Americans. Both China and India are doing their space programs without looking at the United States.
      1. CastroRuiz
        CastroRuiz April 4 2021 22: 32
        +1
        RU uzhe kosmicheskuyu gonku so SSHA proigrala.
        1. Financier
          Financier April 5 2021 23: 23
          +10
          I agree with you completely. We've lost the race now. We just have to make our own program, like China, without looking back at the United States. We do not need new games to catch up and overtake. hi
  2. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx April 3 2021 17: 06
    0
    Whether the Russian space industry will be able to withstand the competition is still an open question.

    While? Open?
    And how do you like this:
    The Accounts Chamber revealed violations in Roscosmos for 30 billion rubles in 2020
    The head of the joint venture, Alexei Kudrin, clarified that this is about misappropriation of funds, as well as violations of funding standards

    https://tass.ru/ekonomika/10972819
    Neither myself do not care ... Who can survive here?
  3. Hwostatij
    Hwostatij April 3 2021 17: 24
    +1
    As far as I remember, in the 90s, Microsoft and Roskosmos were already planning to launch satellites and provide everyone with satellite communications. But due to the spread of mobile communications, the project was closed as unprofitable. What has changed since then, apart from the ubiquitous proliferation of 4g towers, that suddenly there is a sense in the satellite internet? It seems to me that this is another scam of Musk.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 3 2021 18: 32
      +11
      Well, not only Max, OneWeb flies too. For the first time in recent years, Roskosmos has received a long-term contract for more than 10 launches in foreign currency.

      The meaning is simple - this is an alternative, especially for the United States, where 2,5 providers sit and break 100+ dollars for a 50 Mbps channel. And then Musk / OneWeb rolls in and gives 100 Mbps for $ 130. And the United States is not the only country with very expensive internet. There are also places where there is no internet.


      For us, where for 1000 rubles they give 300-400 Mbps + TV + a cinema with a licensed cinema = it looks wild. But Russia is among the leaders in terms of accessibility and low cost of the Internet.
      1. Pontiffsulyvahn
        Pontiffsulyvahn April 3 2021 20: 13
        +1
        Well, for 1000 rubles, you can get all this only in the city, and in the countryside, for which Starlink is intended, everything is sad here too. Optical connection, for example, will cost the same $ 500.
        1. Hwostatij
          Hwostatij April 3 2021 20: 29
          0
          And you can get a lot of money in rural areas for the Internet? Moreover, I don’t know about you, but in our village everything is not bad with the Internet.
        2. rocket757
          rocket757 April 3 2021 21: 31
          +2
          Not everywhere is good, this is understandable, but the optics are pulled, pulled ... they also reached our village!
          Those are 1000 rubles. for a full package of "pleasures".
          Now the problem is how to tear off the boys from the merrymaking and send them out into the street ???
        3. Simargl
          Simargl April 5 2021 20: 08
          0
          Quote: PontiffSulyvahn
          Optical connection, for example, will cost the same $ 500.
          Connection or subscription?
          1. Pontiffsulyvahn
            Pontiffsulyvahn April 6 2021 13: 06
            0
            Connection. The subscriber is highly dependent on location.
      2. KCA
        KCA April 4 2021 05: 08
        -4
        You read what real Americans write about the real speed of OneWeb, it works exclusively on its own site on a completely empty lawn, it is not just that with the transmitter they give a cable more than 100 meters long, bushes, trees, buildings completely close the connection, in the city it is simply unrealistic, and the speed jumps constantly, from 0MB / s to a maximum of 50, perhaps with an increase in the number of satellites, the situation will improve, but it will never be ideal. My mother has 30 meters from home to one tower of a mobile repeater, to another 40 meters, at home the communication works PPC like sucks, for a stable connection it goes out to speak on the balcony
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 April 4 2021 07: 49
          +4
          Nobody can write anything about OneWeb. It doesn't work stupidly. Now the phase of withdrawal of the starting group.

          Starlink - works fine in the coverage provided. Also, this is the PTA phase so far. The project has not even been released in MBT yet. In the 22nd year, when everyone can try it will be possible to speak.
          1. KCA
            KCA April 4 2021 09: 11
            0
            Well, yes, in the morning I confused oneweb with the Starlink, they write bad things about Starlink, and not ours
      3. Maki Avellevich
        Maki Avellevich April 4 2021 06: 33
        -1


        about $ 30, wholesale. fiber. Israel
        1. KCA
          KCA April 4 2021 09: 18
          0
          24MB / s from me, 24MB / s from me, twisted pair, Moscow time region, a little more than $ 5 for the Internet and 157 digital channels over the antenna, the provider constantly fiddles - and let us give you another 50 rubles a month 100MB / s Let's do it, but what about me? I download from torrents, I have never downloaded more than 3.3MB / s, for surfing behind the eyes, although only fifty dollars, but what's the point?
  4. DMi
    DMi April 3 2021 17: 30
    +4
    It would be interesting to know exactly how they are going to extract minerals in space. What kind of technology. How to deliver to the ground. How much will it cost in the end. IMHO, all the slogans about the extraction of ore or solar energy are nothing more than a bluff and a bright propaganda wrapper. Real technical capabilities to be engaged in such a "business" for humanity will appear in such a distant prospect that there is simply nothing to discuss here.
    1. Ronald Reagan
      Ronald Reagan April 3 2021 17: 38
      +3
      And how will they appear if you suggest doing nothing? laughing
      1. DMi
        DMi April 3 2021 18: 15
        +3
        I'm not suggesting anything. Rather, I argue that no "extraction" beyond the boundaries of the earth is technically impossible either now or in the next decades.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 April 3 2021 18: 34
          +7
          Now, if everyone thought like you, then we would not be writing on the Internet, sitting in an armchair / on a sofa, but jumping around a fire in a dank cave, together with a shaman, causing favorable weather. wink
          1. Liam
            Liam April 3 2021 18: 39
            +7
            Quote: donavi49
            Now, if everyone thought like you, then we would not be writing on the Internet, sitting in an armchair / on a sofa, but jumping around a fire in a dank cave, together with a shaman, causing favorable weather. wink

            And nevertheless, the user is right.In the foreseeable future, extraterrestrial resource extraction is more (not) science fiction for financial and technological reasons
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine April 3 2021 22: 36
              +4
              Quote: Liam
              For the foreseeable future, extraterrestrial resource extraction is less (not) science fiction for financial and technological reasons

              It will undoubtedly remain so forever if the rules of the Cold War era about world heritage continue to apply to extraterrestrial objects. But Trump, in fact, introducing prize rights in this area, made economically meaningful projects in deep space much closer, it does not matter, in 10 years or in 50 years.
              1. Liam
                Liam April 3 2021 23: 05
                +3
                Quote: Cherry Nine
                Cold War rules

                In your opinion, mining platinum on asteroids in the Kuiper belt was hampered by the lack of signature of the extra Trump under some kind of piece of paper, in view of the fact that automatic drilling stations for the extraction of thousands of tons of minerals in conditions of zero gravity on asteroids are already ready, as are the methods of their delivery to open-hearth furnaces on earth Recall how many billions (even those ... 60s) cost the United States several kg of lunar dust and stones?)
                By the way ... American trips to the moon, as well as the recent Chinese or European Rosetta to a comet and a Japanese one to an asteroid, were somehow fine without Trump's signature, although each gram of dust delivered was worth about a billion dollars.
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine April 3 2021 23: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: Liam
                  In your opinion, mining platinum on asteroids in the Kuiper belt was hampered by the lack of signature of the extra Trump under some piece of paper, since automatic drilling stations for the extraction of thousands of tons of minerals in conditions of zero gravity on asteroids are already ready, as are the methods of their delivery to open-hearth furnaces on earth

                  In my opinion, the absence of the signature of the extra Trump on such a piece of paper ruled out the possibility of starting the development of everything that you have listed. NASA is prohibited from engaging in commercial activities.
                  1. Liam
                    Liam April 3 2021 23: 26
                    +1
                    Quote: Cherry Nine
                    lack of signature

                    For some reason, I remembered the notorious scoop with a mania for creating commissions and instructions for any problem. And with the appropriate result. The signature of Trump or even Comrade I. Christ in this matter is equal to mine or your signature on the exhaust. A decent telescope or a robot capable of flying even to Mars is incapable send a single gram of dust to the earth - it costs 5-10 billion dollars. Delivering a ton of any iron at least from the Moon (which is in the next room by cosmic standards) is hundreds of billions on current and realistic in the foreseeable future technologies. It is cheaper to dig a tunnel to the center Earth where this stuff is in bulk). How many billions was the ISS 400 km from Earth?) And it takes months and millions of dollars to seal a hole with a diameter of 1 mm with chewing gum, if that.
                    1. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine April 3 2021 23: 37
                      +3
                      Again.

                      It doesn't matter how much it cost and will cost. The important thing is that nothing in space was yours - commercial law did not apply to space. The satellites were in the gray zone, extraterrestrial objects belonged to all of humanity. That is, communism was realized in space. With all the known efficiency of this economic device.

                      Trump - although the surname is not important here, the topic has been discussed in the relevant circles for a very long time - committed a counter-revolution and introduced private property. Trump is heavenly Gorbachev, yeah. Anyone interested in stirring up something like that can work. Who will be interested in how much it will cost, where the money comes from, how long it will take - not a question for Trump. You know, this is a big plus of capitalism. Let those problems be solved by the one who sees the benefits of solving them. For Trump, the question of what to look for benefits in space, in principle, has become possible.
                      1. Liam
                        Liam April 3 2021 23: 48
                        +1
                        Quote: Cherry Nine
                        Tramp

                        Let's be serious. Privateers flew into space even before Trump and his signatures and had their own benefit from this. In the same telecommunications, for example. And they will fly and earn further, regardless of signatures. It depends on the technological level. We have reached the level of technology when a private owner. could build a rocket and a satellite for reasonable money, and flew. From Mask to Bezos. And hundreds of others are on the way. Space commerce depends only on this. If Nixon signed such a decree in 72, no one would fly from private traders. For the price of those technology was unmanageable and the exhaust was zero. To launch a telecommunications or Internet satellite, it was first necessary that someone would invent an iPhone and the Internet on earth and so that these devices would become available to everyone
                      2. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine April 4 2021 00: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: Liam
                        We have reached the level of technology when a private trader can build a rocket and a satellite for a reasonable price, and they flew

                        That is why the issue of including space objects in commercial law is ripe.
                      3. clerk
                        clerk April 4 2021 00: 29
                        +2
                        That is why the issue of including space objects in commercial law is ripe.
                        I don’t remember such a branch of law in Russia. And in the Civil Legislation of the Russian Federation, spacecraft have been classified as real estate for many years.
                      4. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine April 4 2021 01: 29
                        -1
                        Quote: clerk
                        I don’t remember such a branch of law in Russia.

                        And don't, don't worry.
                    2. Liam
                      Liam April 4 2021 00: 32
                      +3
                      Quote: Cherry Nine
                      the question is ripe

                      It's like a Stone Age man who barely learned how to make fire by rubbing two sticks, the issue of obtaining a patent for a high-speed turbine for a nuclear power plant has matured.
                    3. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine April 4 2021 01: 30
                      0
                      Quote: Liam
                      It's like a Stone Age man who barely learned to mine

                      Do you fundamentally want to perceive reality?
                    4. Liam
                      Liam April 4 2021 02: 08
                      +1
                      )))

                      Cheating: There is the same distance between the currently available space business in near-earth orbit and the regulations governing it and the hypothetical extraction of resources on asteroids as between sticks and a turbine.
                    5. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine April 4 2021 02: 16
                      +2
                      Quote: Liam
                      Between the currently available space business in near-earth orbit and the regulations governing it and the hypothetical extraction of resources on asteroids

                      It doesn't matter if technology allows it... It matters whether property rights exist in space. It is this issue that the legislator should settle, and not at all the problem of planting apple trees in different places. If the legal problems are resolved, the business will independently monitor the technologies and take care of apple trees when an opportunity arises for this. Business will definitely figure this out better than Congress or the Administration.
                    6. clerk
                      clerk April 4 2021 06: 45
                      0
                      ... It doesn't matter if technology allows it. It matters whether property rights exist in space. It is this issue that the legislator should settle, and not at all the problem of planting apple trees in different places. If the legal problems are resolved, the business will independently monitor the technologies and take care of apple trees when an opportunity arises for this. Business will definitely figure this out better than Congress or the Administration.
                      It breathed in the 1990s. in Russia. And then the Ministry of Emergency Situations flew heating radiators to freezing towns. However, there are plenty of such examples in the West.
                    7. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine April 4 2021 14: 47
                      0
                      Quote: clerk
                      It breathed in the 1990s. in Russia. And then the Ministry of Emergency Situations flew heating radiators by air

                      If NASA is closed, then yes, but not yet, no breath.
  • Simargl
    Simargl April 5 2021 21: 13
    0
    Quote: Liam
    Recall how many billions (even those ... 60s) cost the United States several kg of moon dust and stones?
    It is one thing to start from a rather deep gravitational pit (the Moon), and another thing to break away from the asteroid's gravitational field.

    Quote: Liam
    By the way ... American trips to the moon, as well as the recent Chinese or European Rosetta to a comet and a Japanese one to an asteroid, somehow perfectly managed without Trump's signature.
    And who even understood what kind of document? The document only declares that they are not going to share the "booty". Sit on the asteroid next to the Americans and start mining - there is nothing against it, unless you interfere.
  • Liam
    Liam April 4 2021 21: 06
    0
    Quote: Cherry Nine
    It will undoubtedly remain so forever if the rules of the Cold War about the world heritage continue to apply to extraterrestrial objects. But Trump

    The Commercial Space Launch Competitiveness Act, sometimes referred to as the Spurring Private Aerospace Competitiveness and Entrepreneurship (SPACE) Act of 2015 is an update of the United States Government of its commercial space use, legislated in 2015. The update to US law explicitly allows US citizens and industries to "engage in the commercial exploration and exploitation of space resources" including water and minerals.
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine April 4 2021 21: 08
      0
      Well, Obama did not mind. I said there is a consensus on this issue.

      So what is your question?
      1. Liam
        Liam April 4 2021 21: 13
        +1
        The fact that everyone was waiting for Trump's signature)
        In such things, not laws are the drivers of the process, but technologies. When there are technologies that allow to embody such activities in reality, then there will be laws and international treaties. By the way, this law did not bring anything new. They practically copied the rules governing the use of the sea depths in international waters.
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine April 4 2021 22: 01
          +2
          As I already said,
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          Trump - although the surname is not important here, the topic has been discussed in the relevant circles for a very long time

          Moreover, I did not assert that legislation is the driver of the development of astronautics. If it seemed to you that I was proposing to send Trump's tie to the nearest space museum, it seemed to you. I argued that the lack of legislation is an obstacle, and Americans are right to close this gap. Quite realistically, they believe that if someone sues each other on space matters, they will most likely be American residents.
          Quote: Liam
          .Practically copied the rules governing the use of the sea depths in international waters.

          Exactly. Therefore, no one, except the local participants in the discussion, has any special complaints, the rules are well-known and reasonable.
          1. Liam
            Liam April 4 2021 22: 17
            +1
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            It seemed to you

            I don't often manage to argue with a smart person here ... so don't blame me)
            Not in conversation with stockbroker vadik to convey his thoughts. Soon it will not break through all these insurgents and other
            And on the topic of our discussion ... You prompted us to delve into the legal jungle of this case. safety.So, purely legally, who was the first to land on the asteroid-addition and sneaker.
            And American legal movements in this topic are conceived more in order to exclude the payment of royalties to the rest. members of the international community ..because space is legally common property of chklovestvo .. God forgive me
          2. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine April 4 2021 22: 41
            +2
            Quote: Liam
            I don't often manage to argue with a smart person here ... so don't blame me

            Well, from your previous take in a conversation with me "Anders Tegnell - Swedish doctor Mengele" I took off, I'm not ready to discuss this topic. But if you are drawn to Trump, we can go to some old thread and discuss my take "Donald Trump is the fourth decent man among American presidents in the last 100 years." wassat
          3. Liam
            Liam April 4 2021 22: 57
            +1
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            Swedish doctor Mengele

            ))) No, an ordinary official with a mania for protagonism. If he were in a slightly more bureaucratic country (at least in Germany or even more so in France), they would have stopped in time. The reverse side of the medal of the super-liberal Swedish model.
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            fourth decent

            Living embodiment of what the ability to leave on time is much more important than the ability to appear on time.
            Although much of what he did (especially in the Chinese dossier), both the current and future administrations will be carefully preserved and multiplied)
          4. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine April 4 2021 23: 15
            0
            Quote: Liam
            The reverse side of the coin of the super-liberal Swedish model.

            Uh-uh. Super-liberal Sweden? This is how liberalism has now gone.
            Quote: Liam
            the ability to leave on time is much more important than the ability to appear on time.

            The ability to swing fists during a fight, not after.
            Quote: Liam
            current and future administrations will carefully preserve and multiply

            When you look at it, Trump's actions were almost always correct. Well, except for the situation with domestic politics in general and in 20 in particular.
  • Liam
    Liam April 4 2021 21: 35
    +1
    By the way, Japan adopted such a law already in 2008.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 April 3 2021 22: 37
    -1
    Musk and his team have no competitors - and the real Klondike of rare earth metals is the same asteroid Psyche - there, according to preliminary calculations of the material, 150 million times more than on the surface of the earth - can be mined using the same robotic machines 28 grams of palladium costs $ 2700 iridium 1 kilogram $ 45000 rhenium per kilo $ 20000 osmium $ 100000 per gram, etc. An unmanned cargo Starship will be created and everything will become feasible.
    1. Liam
      Liam April 4 2021 00: 26
      +2
      Quote: Vadim237
      you can get it using the same robotic machines

      Well, build a robotic machine weighing tens of tons, capable of first breaking away from the Earth, then flying to an asteroid that is not at all in place but writes out very complex trajectories at very rather large speeds, and even rotates around its axes and is by no means a flat plain on which you can Then come up with a method of drilling in zero gravity, the excavator will somehow fail .. it will float in space as it were. Physics is a complex science and does not lend itself to the fantasies of pushbuttons. Do not forget that in space about -160 degrees "in the shade" and + hundreds of degrees under the sun. And on a rotating asteroid, these cycles change within minutes. What materials are needed to withstand all this. This is not to mention the effect of radiation on the electronics of these devices. First, invent cheap materials that can "survive" all this. About such small things like mined ore (thousands of tons of weight and thousands of cubic meters of volume) "to pack and send to Earth, and upon arrival in orbit, pass and see through the atmosphere of the Earth and land so that everything does not melt, and I don’t want to talk.
      Quote: Vadim237
      28 grams of palladium costs $ 2700 iridium 1 kilogram $ 45000 rhenium per kilo $ 20000 osmium $ 100000 per gram, etc.

      Just think what will happen to the prices for all this good when these thousands of tons of rare goods enter the markets. They will simply collapse from the abundance of these rare metals, which will cease to be rare. But the prices for their delivery will continue to remain astronomical.

      You are a player in the market like)))
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 4 2021 18: 57
        -1
        "Well, build a robotic machine weighing tens of tons, capable of first breaking away from the Earth" - Why else would these vehicles with jackhammers, magnetometers, cameras and spectrometers, grader dumps maxima weigh several tons and the same cargo ship will be sent to the asteroids by dozens of landing systems at once on other planets there are even Ryugu the device successfully landed the problem that they will need a source of constant energy to charge the batteries, but in the USA they are working on miniature nuclear reactors of 10 kilowatts and there are already results for fixing machines on the surface, you can use the same drilled support legs the device finds places concentration of metals and is fixed on it, and then a telescopic sleeve with a jackhammer develops the area
        Do not forget that in space there is about -160 degrees "in the shade" and + hundreds of degrees under the sun. "And on a rotating asteroid, these cycles change within minutes. What materials are needed to withstand all this. This is not to mention the effect of radiation on the electronics of these devices ". These problems have long been resolved both in terms of materials as well as in the protection of electronics.
        "About such trifles as mined ore (thousands of tons of weight and thousands of cubic meters of volume)" to pack and send to Earth, and upon arrival in orbit, pass through the Earth's atmosphere and land so that everything does not melt, and I don’t want to talk about that. the Starship ship will fill it with ore and it will go to Earth now at Musk's office they are working on the concept of the Supertank module of an additional propulsion fuel stage for ultra-long-range flights of the ship in the solar system.
        Just think what will happen to the prices for all this good when these thousands of tons of rare goods enter the markets. They will simply collapse from the abundance of these rare metals, which will no longer be rare. But the prices for their delivery will continue to remain astronomical. No, the need for them will not collapse will always be higher than what will be brought from space, even if 30000 tons per year are transported, the price for them will slightly drop already now for some RMZ, a critical shortage, which in turn greatly slows down scientific and technological progress.
    2. clerk
      clerk April 4 2021 06: 48
      +3
      ... the real klondike of rare earth metals is the same asteroid Psyche - there, according to preliminary calculations, the material is 150 million times more than on the surface of the earth - it is possible to extract using the same robotic machines 28 grams of palladium costs $ 2700 iridium 1 kilogram $ 45000 rhenium per kilo $ 20000 osmium 100000 dollars per gram, etc.
      The price per gram is great, but how big is this market in general? And how will prices change in the event of a sharp increase in supply? I remember the Spaniards already brought gold from America .. ,,,, By the way, palladium is now only 1,5 times more expensive than gold, which does not make it so inaccessible
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 4 2021 19: 03
        -1
        There will not be a sharp increase since the producer and carrier himself will use part of these extracted materials for their own needs, the creation of equipment spacecraft, etc. the rest will be instantly bought up by all countries from the beginning to reserves and then into production - the demand for these materials will always be high and the supply will be lower.
        1. clerk
          clerk April 4 2021 20: 39
          +2
          ... There will not be a sharp increase, since the producer and carrier himself will use part of these extracted materials for their own needs, the creation of equipment spacecraft, etc. the rest will be instantly bought up by all countries from the beginning to reserves and then into production - the demand for these materials will always be high and the supply will be down
          ... I still remember a time when platinum was much more expensive than gold.
  • Free wind
    Free wind April 4 2021 04: 45
    -1
    Watch TV there are very interesting things showing. Old gypsy fortune-tellers simply groan with envy, there are so many downs who believe in all sorts of nonsense. You can shove anything into the brain of our fellow citizens.
  • Usher
    Usher April 3 2021 17: 53
    -6
    The 45th President of the United States, Donald Trump, signed a decree securing the right of the United States to extract resources in space, this document demonstrated the approach of the American elites to solving global issues. The decree developed by Washington secures the right of the United States to use natural resources in outer space exclusively in its own interests, and emphasizes that they cannot be common property.
    exceptional arrogance. The logic is interesting, for example, if resources will be mined in space. They will prohibit it under the guise of these decrees. The question is, with what fright does their legal right apply to other countries?
    1. Flooding
      Flooding April 3 2021 18: 08
      0
      Quote: Usher
      The question is, with what fright does their legal right apply to other countries?

      they thus formalize the right of the strongest.
      knowing that in space with the United States, very few people will be able to compete on an equal footing.
      since there is no way to secure their priority rights in international law, they use their de facto dominance in the field, backed up by financial and military might
    2. Niko
      Niko April 3 2021 18: 45
      +1
      Quote: Usher
      The 45th President of the United States, Donald Trump, signed a decree securing the right of the United States to extract resources in space, this document demonstrated the approach of the American elites to solving global issues. The decree developed by Washington secures the right of the United States to use natural resources in outer space exclusively in its own interests, and emphasizes that they cannot be common property.
      exceptional arrogance. The logic is interesting, for example, if resources will be mined in space. They will prohibit it under the guise of these decrees. The question is, with what fright does their legal right apply to other countries?

      It seems to me that the meaning of the decree has not been conveyed quite correctly. The fact that the United States will get them is not necessary to share with anyone. Accordingly, what Singapore will get it. The question is simply who will be able to do it.
    3. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine April 3 2021 22: 39
      +4
      Quote: Usher
      The question is, with what fright does their legal right apply to other countries?

      Because they are leaders in deep space. And from the fact that the proposed rule - who got up first, that and the slippers - is quite reasonable and suits everyone.

      If you are the first to establish mining on an asteroid, everything that you have obtained will be yours. True, for this you need to register a legal entity in the USA. Because in Russia the asteroid will be considered a world heritage, and whatever you pick up there, you will hand it over for the good of mankind. That is, to the state. What, have you invested your money in this? Thank you very much, humanity will not forget this.
      1. clerk
        clerk April 4 2021 10: 11
        +1
        .Since they are leaders in deep space. And from the fact that the proposed rule - who got up first, that and the slippers - is quite reasonable and suits everyone.

        If you are the first to establish mining on an asteroid, everything that you have obtained will be yours. True, for this you need to register a legal entity in the USA. Because in Russia the asteroid will be considered a world heritage, and whatever you pick up there, you will hand it over for the good of mankind. That is, to the state. What, have you invested your money in this? Thank you very much, humanity will not forget this.
        Holy naivete. What a nafig difference - you started mining first or second on this asteroid. Until the sovereignty of the United States over the space object is recognized by other countries (not to mention aliens), it will be a predation by the right of the strong. The SGA will lose their leadership in space - and tomorrow they will be kicked in the ass and no one will even look - what pieces of paper they have taken from them ..
        1. Usher
          Usher April 4 2021 10: 18
          -3
          Quote: clerk
          .Since they are leaders in deep space. And from the fact that the proposed rule - who got up first, that and the slippers - is quite reasonable and suits everyone.

          If you are the first to establish mining on an asteroid, everything that you have obtained will be yours. True, for this you need to register a legal entity in the USA. Because in Russia the asteroid will be considered a world heritage, and whatever you pick up there, you will hand it over for the good of mankind. That is, to the state. What, have you invested your money in this? Thank you very much, humanity will not forget this.
          Holy naivete. What a nafig difference - you started mining first or second on this asteroid. Until the sovereignty of the United States over the space object is recognized by other countries (not to mention aliens), it will be a predation by the right of the strong. The SGA will lose their leadership in space - and tomorrow they will be kicked in the ass and no one will even look - what pieces of paper they have taken from them ..

          I agree. They wrote some nonsense in response to me.
          1. clerk
            clerk April 4 2021 11: 46
            +1
            .I agree. They wrote some nonsense in response to me.
            I don’t remember that you would ask me anything.
        2. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine April 4 2021 14: 49
          +1
          Quote: clerk
          it will be a predation by the right of the strong.

          Yes.
          Quote: clerk
          SGA will lose leadership in space - and tomorrow they will be kicked in the ass

          We are waiting, sir.
          1. clerk
            clerk April 4 2021 18: 57
            0
            ... it will be a predation by the right of the strong.

            Yes.
            The right to the strong does not require mandatory legislative confirmation at the national level. And if we are talking about international treaties, then the United States will have to sacrifice something. Otherwise, what is the interest to negotiate with them.
            1. Cherry Nine
              Cherry Nine April 4 2021 19: 04
              +1
              Quote: clerk
              The right to the strong does not require mandatory legislative confirmation at the national level.

              It seems that it never dawned on you that this regulation applies to commercial organizations in the American jurisdiction. The CCP can stick red moisture wherever it wants and can, no one will condemn it.
              1. clerk
                clerk April 4 2021 20: 47
                0
                .The right of the strong does not require mandatory legislative confirmation at the national level.

                It seems that it never dawned on you that this regulation applies to commercial organizations in the American jurisdiction. The CCP can stick red moisture wherever it wants and can, no one will condemn it.
                As you put it on another occasion, "It doesn't work like that" (c) laughing Of course, any national capital will not refuse to rob a new colony, but investing serious funds in this robbery is unlikely.
                1. Cherry Nine
                  Cherry Nine April 4 2021 21: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: clerk
                  will not refuse to rob a new colony, but investing serious funds in this robbery is very unlikely.


                  Will refuse, will not refuse, this business is no longer mine, not yours, and not even the American president. As for serious funds, the firm of a well-known Russian swindler and sawmaker of the American budget is now estimated at $ 74 billion.
                  1. clerk
                    clerk April 4 2021 22: 10
                    0
                    ... Will refuse, will not refuse, this business is no longer mine, not yours, and not even the American president. As for serious funds, the firm of a well-known Russian swindler and sawmaker of the American budget is now estimated at $ 74 billion.
                    Who are you talking about? And what does this have to do with the subject of the conversation?
                    1. Cherry Nine
                      Cherry Nine April 4 2021 22: 35
                      0
                      Quote: clerk
                      what does this have to do with the subject of the conversation?

                      Quote: clerk
                      but investing serious funds in this robbery is unlikely.

                      US aerospace corporation SpaceX, owned by billionaire Elon Musk, raised $ 850 million, after which the company is valued at $ 74 billion, CNBC reported, citing sources.
                      "Last week, SpaceX completed yet another round of gigantic equity funding of $ 850 million, people familiar with the situation told CNBC, which skyrocketed the company's valuation to $ 74 billion," the channel said.
                      1. clerk
                        clerk April 5 2021 00: 16
                        +1
                        ... US aerospace corporation SpaceX, owned by billionaire Elon Musk, raised $ 850 million, after which the company is valued at $ 74 billion.
                        This is a little different - Musk did not spin the space launch market from scratch, before him the state was engaged in this, and when the technology "went to the people", the market was given to business.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 April 3 2021 17: 58
    +2
    Well, it happens that someone breaks ahead, for objective reasons or for some other reason ... but it doesn't have to be forever.
  • leks
    leks April 3 2021 18: 11
    +3
    “The Russian space program, unfortunately, looks like a pale shadow of the program of the Soviet Union. For all the time after the collapse of the USSR, no breakthrough technologies have been developed, no new space technology has been created, perhaps, with the exception of the Angara rocket, which has yet to gain credibility. the withering of the space industry is the weakness of the Russian economy, a brain drain, an inadequate technical education system, current international sanctions and export restrictions, a state monopoly of the space industry and a lack of full-scale private investment. "

    At the end, the author asks a question.

    "Whether the Russian space industry will be able to withstand the competition is an open question."

    What kind of competition can we talk about if the author has already indicated above that it simply does not exist and is not foreseen in the near future.
  • Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown April 3 2021 18: 21
    0
    At the current moment, NOBODY in the world has a dominant position in space - as they say, "everything is about ... lily" lol laughing

    The end of the 80s of the last century - that we, that the Americans were practically on an equal footing in space ... One automatic flight of Buran was worth what !!! good

    And now ... now, unfortunately, in 5-10 years we will "look into the mouth of the Chinese" ... recourse
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 April 3 2021 19: 05
      +8
      Well, here is actually how to look.
      Manned? Well, in general, on an equal footing, just everyone went their own way in the 70s. Some to cut a megaWaffle for billions, others to upgrade the existing ones.
      Orbital stations. Tips in leadership, Skylab did not fight back despite his best efforts.
      Military satellites. And here, already in the 70s, the United States had a strong lead, both in quality and in efficiency, as well as disproportionately in terms of the durability of work. This is actually observed now. From here they even raised the whole MEV program + private traders are also sawing their tug. The bottom line is to dock expensive and old satellites and, at the expense of their engines, extend their life by 5-10 years more. Actually, the first tug hooked a satellite 20 years ago (in 2001) and will carry it until 27. The second one hooked on a satellite in 2004 and is planning to carry it until 28-30.


      AMC and research programs. An incredible lag since the end of the 60s. For example, Mars-3 - which made a sound 3 times and died, against Viking1 who worked for 6 years and died because of a novice operator who unauthorizedly "optimized" the procedure for sending instructions and Viking2 who worked for 4 years. For Mars, Soviet vehicles did not even fly - there is simply nothing to cover Pioneer 10/11, Voyager 1/2. Again, they did not fly for Venus either - there is nothing to cover Mariner-10 with either. There is nothing to cover and all kinds of telescopes. A unique achievement is the landing missions to Venus, however, the Americans collected a bunch of data through Pioneer-Venus, and on the second, they even dropped umbrellas and canceled similar missions as unpromising.


      And now ... now, unfortunately, in 5-10 years we will "look into the mouth of the Chinese" ... recourse


      Why in 5-10 years?

      The Chinese already have 2 rovers on the moon and a return of soil, and more than the USSR returned - Chanye brought 1731 grams, and Luna-16 - 101 grams + Luna-20 - 55 grams + Luna24 - 170 grams. The Chinese are doing orbital maneuvers right now to land their rover.

      On April 29, this rocket will carry Tianhe 22 tons. Next 2 more modules will arrive. And in general, if they do not derail the program, it will be epic. Launch a new large station in a year. And there, next year (well, or they will be ripped off at 23), the Chinese Hubble will fly.
      1. Virus-free crown
        Virus-free crown April 3 2021 20: 16
        -3
        Quote: donavi49
        Well, here is actually how to look. ...

        I thank you for the detailed answer to my post !!! good drinks

        But ... I wanted to say (express my thought repeat ) not quite soooo, as you understood))

        1.Russia while Rogozin is at the helm in space - you can safely write it off as a space player
        2. The United States - while all sorts of PRIVATE people are in charge of its space program - the same can be safely written off as a space power (remind you how many and WHAT !!! people Putin has dedicated to the citizenship of the Russian Federation over the past 10 years ?!) I'm all for Russia !!! my idol on my idol !!! good From a formal point of view, nothing prevents Musk from becoming, for example, Chinese))))))))))))))
        3. But the Chinese persistently (as in the USSR in their time) with the stubbornness of a maniac fly into space higher and further ... repeat
        1. Cherry Nine
          Cherry Nine April 3 2021 23: 09
          +8
          Quote: Corona without virus
          The United States - while all sorts of PRIVATE people are in charge of its space program - the same can be safely written off as a space power (remind you how many and WHAT people !!! Putin has dedicated Russian citizenship over the past 10 years ?!

          And what has Putin to do with it?

          As for the question.

          By carriers. In 2021, the United States is scheduled to launch at least 6 new carriers, including superheavy and two heavy. Not the fact that everyone will fly, but it is possible.

          By satellites


          By launches. Russia has the third place in terms of launches, they said. There is such a picture.


          Deep space. No comment here.

          What are the results. Roscosmos is now fighting for 5th place with India. And he will inevitably lose. On what he pretends to be big so far - participation in the ISS and manned astronautics. The ISS will close sooner or later, it is not taken into the lunar project, the Chinese do not need it. This is where the manned astronaut ends. Launches by carriers on old luggage. Russia is the only country in the top 5 that does not have hydrogen technology. Were on Energy, but surfaced. The Europeans have embarked on a course of abandoning alliances with Guiana, from Russia under sanctions with loads, everything is bad, in fact, only the military remained. It has never been good with our own companions, yes, since the 58th year since. That's it, the shop is closing.
          1. Virus-free crown
            Virus-free crown April 4 2021 13: 54
            -1
            Quote: Cherry Nine
            Quote: Corona without virus
            The United States - while all sorts of PRIVATE people are in charge of its space program - the same can be safely written off as a space power (remind you how many and WHAT people !!! Putin has dedicated Russian citizenship over the past 10 years ?!

            And what has Putin to do with it?
            ...

            Indeed, what does Putin have to do with it ?! ))))))

            I just want to clarify what is the point of your run over me? ... repeat
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 April 3 2021 22: 40
        +1
        The main thing for us is that this year the John Web telescope flew and everything turned out as planned - our Science module, Luna 25 station and the UV Spectrum telescope.
  • S. Viktorovich
    S. Viktorovich April 3 2021 18: 37
    +3
    The space industry is an example of degradation from technical and organizational perfection to the triumph of leadership incompetence and the destruction of design schools.
  • U-58
    U-58 April 3 2021 18: 53
    -2
    The emerging alliance between Russia and China in space gives a chance for some semblance of parity.
    However, parity is not an end in itself. As a result, we will find ourselves a loser, since China for the hundredth time will steal our developments and successfully implement them in its own interests.
    But we have no other way. The weakness of the economy, the constant sequestration of the already poor space program, the diversion of a huge part of funds for defense issues (such as Sarmat) will in no way allow Russia to be a full-fledged member of the space community alone.
    However, this state of affairs is very few people in our country.
    The change of priorities to the purely earthly survival of most of the population, to the enrichment of the already rich rich people completely killed the romance of the dusty paths of distant planets.
    A personal car of a famous model is now more prestigious than the Soviet (Russian) lunar or Mars rover.
    The yacht of a thread of Khodorkovich is much more antires than a new space rocket or ship.
    The upcoming launch of the lunar apparatus does not cause enthusiasm from the word at all - people are simply not up to it. There would be to pay for utilities and buy food ...
    So domination in space must either be abandoned or the hard work of domination on Earth must begin.
    And there and in space everything will affect.
    1. dSK
      dSK April 3 2021 20: 58
      0
      Quote: U-58
      domination in space must either be abandoned
      what is this about? even to "parity" is still far away. Russia is not the USSR and the "abromovichs" and "shpigils"
      Profit by 1000%: Putin exposed the inhuman drug business
      immense appetite ...
  • Israel
    Israel April 3 2021 19: 40
    +3
    If you count the commercial, scientific, military space programs, then of course the United States is the undisputed leader.
  • leks
    leks April 3 2021 21: 19
    +2
    Quote: Corona without virus
    USA - while all sorts of PRIVATE people are in charge of its space program - the same can be safely written off as a space power

    A bold conclusion straightforward and write off!
    But in what place in the United States does a private trader drive the space program, when NASA became a private office ??
    1. Usher
      Usher April 4 2021 10: 22
      -3
      Quote: leks
      Quote: Corona without virus
      USA - while all sorts of PRIVATE people are in charge of its space program - the same can be safely written off as a space power

      A bold conclusion straightforward and write off!
      But in what place in the United States does a private trader drive the space program, when NASA became a private office ??

      And the charlatan Musk?
  • bandabas
    bandabas April 3 2021 21: 38
    0
    Rogozin is our everything. And, you can replace it with ... There will be ... Or maybe Gref? So what? He can.
  • Mikle2000
    Mikle2000 April 4 2021 00: 32
    0
    Apart from general words, I did not see any analysis. Neither launch services, nor telecommunications, nor deep space, nor scientific, nor meteorological satellites, nor remote sensing data. And I would like to assess the current ratio of potentials and the prospects for their growth (degradation)
  • Lister
    Lister April 4 2021 15: 55
    +5
    Whether the Russian space industry will be able to withstand competition in the near future is still an open question.

    Maybe you shouldn't compete, but just start doing the space program without looking back at the United States?
  • Alexander Poplooukhin
    Alexander Poplooukhin 11 May 2021 22: 33
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    If I am not mistaken, then in all science fiction films about space (with the exception of the "space odyssey"), spaceships belong to private companies, confrontations in space are waged between private companies. So, it is logical that further space exploration will be carried out by private traders. States will not be interested in flying into space to explore and extract minerals on asteroids, private traders will be interested in this, which is logical, their profits, but also their risks. In case of failure, the state will not lose anything; in case of success, it will force them to share the money in the form of taxes.
  • Sychev Vitalii
    Sychev Vitalii 2 June 2021 10: 54
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    Why ask stupid questions? Deep space - all American, remember, where is Voyager 2?). Planetary space is also American (remember Mars and the rovers). Remote sensing of the Earth, including space exploration, is practically all American. Near space - the most recent developments - are all American.

    True, we must not forget that now Europeans are actively working in space together with the Americans - the European Space Agency.