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Who wants to fight?

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Who wants to fight?

Remember, as a child, we heard a phrase from our grandmothers that we simply could not understand then? "If only there was no war." Moreover, the grandmother said this in the context that she agrees to any hardships, if only the USSR would prevent the war. We, who have long lost our grandmothers, have somehow strangely perverted this phrase. We agree to concede in something, just not to fight ...


I was simply forced to write this material. Forced by readers, acquaintances and almost strangers who have been asking the same question for several days - will there be a war? And won't this war develop into a world war, nuclear war, into destruction. Moreover, and this is the most important thing, people talk about completely opposite desires.

Someone foaming at the mouth proves that everyone has long been tired of Ukraine and it is time to decide something. It's time to almost inflict a nuclear strike on Kiev and take the Donbass for yourself. The motivation for these hawks is understandable. The guys have seen enough movies and have forgotten that soldiers, like civilians, are people. Moreover, on both sides.

Others are the other way around. They propose to bring in peacekeeping forces and cover our republic's soldiers with the bodies. And let this Ukraine "eat" itself. Close the border and forget about this country altogether. The Ukrainians will kill each other themselves. Of course they will interrupt. They will only kill first those who still believe in Russia, those who did not support the Bandera and other “separatists”. History the same as in the first case. We forget that we are all living people.

But what struck me the most was the willingness to fight. And not for himself, “we have a strong army for this,” but for someone else. I hear the slogan "to fight to the last Ukrainian" quite often ... This means that enemy propaganda, enemy ideas and desires enter our heads.

So where do we start


Have you noticed how in one short phrase I turned the situation upside down? Are they not provoking us, but we are the aggressors? You see how simple it is. History is full of examples of such provocations. Probably everyone remembers where the Germans started in 1939, the Americans in many countries, in Vietnam, for example. The question arises about historical memory, our historical memory.

I propose to think about who today has the desire and ability to fight. Let's just think a little about whether a local war is possible. I don't even want to talk about the world one. Simply because all players have something to lose. From bank accounts to your own life.

USA. The Americans will not get involved in war for one simple reason. The Americans have enough of their own internal problems. And the independent conduct of the war is not in the traditions of the United States. The wars that the Americans fought in the 20th century can only be called successful. The states are more interested in wars in which US citizens are not really killed, and corporations from these wars have their own interest.

Therefore, the Americans will push their "allies" to provocations against Russia, to a military conflict, or better to a small, local war, for which the allies will start buying American weapon, to receive American aid, in the future they will require loans for the reconstruction of the country.

NATO. It's a paradox, but the past few days have shown a completely unexpected reluctance of many European countries to participate in clashes with their eastern neighbor. No matter how hard American generals and politicians tried to attract European countries to participate in provocations, the Alliance Secretary General recalled that any decision is made by consensus. And there is no such consensus in NATO.

Despite the apparent power of the alliance, the Europeans are well aware of their vulnerability to modern weapons, especially Russian ones. They understand that all talk about missile defense, air defense and other "defenses" is in many ways just fiction. The war with Russia will no longer be World War II. It will simply destroy the statehood of European countries, and it will destroy the hands of the EU citizens themselves.

Russia. Do we need a war? We, no matter how the leftists, the rightists and other opponents of the statehood of Russia criticize us, are going through the crisis quite successfully. Compared to other countries, naturally. This also applies to the coronavirus, and the state of the economy, and the unity of the people. We are criticized for slowing down some projects, not for missing them. Even the "all-conspirators" and "must-haves" are forced to acknowledge the achievements of Russia and the strengthening of its role in world politics.

Today we are building new relations with the East and West. We are returning to where we fled from after the collapse of the USSR. We are exploring new markets. And if we highlight a priority in European politics, today SP-2 is important for us. We must complete it, especially since the Americans “played on our side” and did what Gazprom could not even dream of with their sanctions. The sea part of SP-2 is completely ours. 100%.

Ukraine. I completely understand Zelensky's panic. Europeans openly ignore him. Even the IMF. The demands of the EU, IMF and NATO are tightening almost every day. And without loans, the country will simply die. Biden does not call, does not give control. There is no one to rely on within the country. Hence the radicalization of the decisions of the Rada, the radicalization of presidential decrees, increased militancy and threats to Donbass. Even the obvious measures to prepare for the offensive are from here.

I already wrote that Zelensky will not go for a serious aggravation. The ukrovoyaks are well aware that Russia will help the Donetsk people. This will not be the introduction of troops. What for? It is enough to simply destroy the groupings prepared for the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Missile defense and air defense of Ukraine is simply not able to withstand the missile and air strikes of the Russian Federation. And the presence of heavy artillery on the borders clearly warns Ukrainian generals about what losses even the most prepared offensive threatens.

Hence, "and we have something for what" in the press and speeches of Ukrainian politicians. Hence the "concern" of the Americans and Europeans about the movements of Russian units across Russian territory.

We have simply forgotten the very recent history of Donbass. Remember the time when Trump was elected? After all, then the situation was one to one as today. Then Poroshenko, like Zelensky, was waiting for instructions from the American president. And in the same way, Trump pouted his lips, remembering how dill politicians poured mud on him before the election. And then there was an exacerbation of hostilities in the Donbass. And Trump called!

Didn't it happen yesterday? Read the Ukrainian press today. There is no publication that does not have an article about the telephone conversation between Biden and Zelensky. And with what pride they write that they will talk a couple more times this week. I would not be surprised if the activity of the Armed Forces of Ukraine sharply decreases today.

Donbass. Everyone knows that Donetsk residents are tired of the shelling and began to respond to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And about the desire to free the remaining part of Ukraine's Donbass, too. Only now the LPR does not have the strength for a successful offensive. During the war years, the Armed Forces of Ukraine have created a fairly serious defensive system, which the corps will not pass on their own. So the offensive for the republics will practically mean death. And not only soldiers and officers, but also the republics themselves.

Well Poland, taking into account the ramming of a trawler of a Russian vessel during the construction of the JV It is clear that the Poles really want to become the "beloved wife" of the United States. Someone can now confidently answer the question - who do the Poles, Russians or Germans hate more? Both we and the Germans are enemies for Polish politicians. Both we and the Germans are preventing Poland from becoming the head of at least Eastern Europe.

So the actions of the Poles in the Baltic are quite predictable. A kind of mongrel, whom we often meet in the courtyards of grandmothers. Jumps out, tugs at the trouser leg, and then runs away under the protection of the old woman with a loud bark. Many people know how to deal with such mongrels. One wave of the hand, or better yet, a kick, and that's it. The dog runs away from everyone, including the owner.

Russia must defeat itself


Let me remind you of where I started this article. About enemy propaganda that has already taken root in our heads. Here is a quote from Zelensky:

“Muscle flexing in the format of military exercises and possible provocations along the border are traditional Russian behavior. In this way, she is trying to create an atmosphere of threat and pressure at the same time during the negotiations on the ceasefire. "

Let me also remind you of Khomchak's interview to the Boatswain program:

“Is there an immediate threat today that tomorrow morning we will wake up and there will be a war? Today the General Staff assesses the situation in such a way that it will not be there tomorrow. Because for this there must be appropriate factors, appropriate actions to take place on the part of the Russian Federation, in territories that are not temporarily controlled by our government. Today we do not see the factors that should have happened. But of course there is a threat. "

And here is the press secretary of the US military department John Kirby:

“We are concerned about the recent escalation of Russian aggression in eastern Ukraine, including violations of the July 2020 ceasefire agreement. Russia's destabilizing actions undermine intentions to de-escalate. ”

“In addition, we are aware of the reports of the Ukrainian military about the movements of Russian troops on the borders of Ukraine. We are discussing our concerns about rising tensions and ceasefire violations with our NATO allies. "

Now let's look at our home-grown liberals from Dozhd:

Military experts and officials interviewed by The New York Times believe that escalating the Ukrainian border may be Moscow's way of testing Biden's new administration. “Russia is absolutely not interested in a peaceful resolution of the conflict. It is in her interest to keep Ukraine as destabilized as possible, "says Frederic Hodges, retired lieutenant general and former commander of the US Army in Europe."

Don't you have a déjà vu experience? How many times have we already heard about how we poison people, how we attack hospitals in Syria, how we use chemical weapons? Don't you think that this is just a preparation of the population for the fact that there will soon be exacerbations, provocations, and possibly a war? And do you know why this is necessary?

Yes, simply in order to create in Russia at least some group of opponents of the war. Not a political one, not even an opposition one, but one in which people would be sure that they are for Russia, for the people. And at the same time they would fulfill the tasks set by the opposing side.

It is no longer possible to rely on those "opponents of the regime" who are now lured. The opposition, which has recently got lost, no longer arouses even sympathy among the population. And nobody removed the task of destabilizing the situation inside Russia ...

So, let's summarize what is visible today. At first, no one wants to fight and cannot. Today only provocations are possible. Ukraine does not need a war, but it needs a military atmosphere. Ukraine needs military bases or at least officially deployed NATO units on its territory.

Secondly, we should expect the liberals to become more active inside Russia - with the task of destabilizing the situation. Society must understand that a lot of stupid things can be done with the best of intentions.

Thirdly, Russia should continue to fulfill the assigned tasks of deploying its units and formations. The border service must be prepared for a possible border incident.
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  1. Sofa batyr
    Sofa batyr April 5 2021 05: 41
    +4
    I hear the slogan "to fight to the last Ukrainian" quite often ... This means that enemy propaganda, enemy ideas and desires enter our heads.


    How can this be overlooked, and at least not taken into account?
    After all, these words in Ukraine and around it sounded for a reason, but they mean something ...
    1. Civil
      Civil April 5 2021 06: 30
      -26%
      After a fight, they do not wave their fists.
      Their last foreign policy victories - the PRC limited the import of coal, timber and fish from Russia.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 5 2021 07: 01
        +13
        Shot the fifth point into the flour
        Despite the restrictions that China began to practice in the fourth quarter of 2020, Russia and China traded on the Trans-Baikal Railway as much as in 2019 - Russia sent 17,9 million tons of cargo to China. Of these, 4,5 million tons of timber and 3,3 million tons of coal.
        then before the Russian Railways, 7 thousanders do not stand without work. I think that a pro like you shouldn't say what a 7 thousand meter is wink
        1. Civil
          Civil April 5 2021 08: 07
          -8
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Despite the restrictions that China began to practice in the fourth quarter of 2020, Russia and China traded on the Trans-Baikal Railway as much as in 2019 - Russia sent 17,9 million tons of cargo to China. Of these, 4,5 million tons of timber and 3,3 million tons of coal.

          I see no reason to be happy. On the contrary, thanks to the PRC that our resources remain in Russia. And these plugs are apparently the result of shock mining over the limits.
          1. kytx
            kytx April 6 2021 00: 40
            +5
            The Russian Federation does not need coal in the amount in which it can mine it in Kuzbass.
            Why not sell the PRC if they need to?
            There are jambs with the forest because of our native corruption.
            Fish - this is the PRC just a little capricious. They are forced to rake the fish.
      2. nznz
        nznz April 6 2021 06: 05
        +10
        upside down. It is the Russian Federation that has strictly banned the export of any kind of timber to China. Anything. And even what has already been stolen will be sold at auctions and not thieves for a cheap price. Do not lie, Putin said this directly at a meeting with the ministers.
        the fact that China refused to eat like fish, did you come up with it yourself? Provide links, please. If he refused, and you're right, I'm only for it, our fish will become cheaper, and finally it will become cheaper than meat, as it was in the USSR.
        1. Nazar
          Nazar April 8 2021 22: 22
          +1
          nznz - Quote: "... our fish will become cheaper ..." - why would that be? Yes, China does not accept the fish caught by our fishermen, there is nowhere to put it, and this is why prices will rise to the top (fish is already becoming more expensive in stores) in order to compensate for the losses at our expense. There is no other way in the Russian Federation - gasoline is an example for you, when the price of oil in the world falls, the price of gasoline in the Russian Federation grows in order to compensate oil workers for the shortfall from export at our expense, with fish - the same hi
          1. Pensive Lawyer
            Pensive Lawyer April 9 2021 03: 29
            +2
            The price of gasoline is tied to the price of oil. You forget that the world oil price is in dollars. Calculate how much gasoline costs in dollars now, and how much it cost before - you will not see a significant difference. The price in the Russian Federation is growing because the ruble depreciates faster when oil prices fall than oil itself. And when oil rises in price, the ruble also rises in price more slowly.
            To save us from all this can only be the establishment of a price per barrel in a currency other than the dollar or the euro. And this requires the collapse of the United States as a hegemon. And when this happens, the question is for China, only they are able to arrange it and are systematically moving towards this, methodically and without haste.
            1. Nazar
              Nazar April 9 2021 22: 00
              -1
              Thoughtful Lawyer - when oil fell to $ 30 per barrel - gasoline in the Russian Federation rose in price not at all from exchange rate changes in the ruble-dollar pair, but because of the system of compensations in force in the Russian Federation for lost income for oil workers. ... Up to 70% of the price of gasoline is excise, so the impact of the exchange rate on the price of gasoline is secondary.
              The fish is not tied to the dollar, it was taken for the yuan, and the ruble did not fall sharply now, and prices flew up - to build refrigerators, create processing facilities - the toad crushes, and you want to grab money the same way you grab it for export.
      3. Russian jacket
        Russian jacket April 9 2021 03: 13
        +2
        Hmm ... turned upside down. It is the PRC that has repeatedly expressed concern about the ban on the export of UN-PROCESSED timber from Russia. You, as Mrs. Felgenhauer and Mr. Naryshkin from Echo, arranged in your programs to poll your flock with which vaccine to be vaccinated with a Pfizer for 100 Baku or a satellite free of charge. And the flock voted for the pfizer. Here are just the zrada crept imperceptibly. They themselves were grafted onto a freebie companion. About what, confusingly, they told on their pages .... Congratulations, you, mister sovramshi.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich April 5 2021 06: 59
      +12
      Quote: Divan-batyr
      How can this be overlooked, and at least not taken into account?
      After all, these words in Ukraine and around it sounded for a reason, but they mean something ...

      The author analyzed the situation, but did not say the main thing: what should be done with the LPNR?

      Our Russian people live there, and they are already tired of living in conditions of many years of war. Something needs to be decided.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent April 5 2021 07: 11
        +10
        Quote: Olgovich
        The author analyzed the situation, but did not say the main thing: what should be done with the LPNR?


        Not his level , to solve the eternal question - "What to do ? "

        Write, suggest options - "maybe this way, or maybe differently," there are many eager.

        But they calculate and solve such complex problems - other people and departments , with a different level of responsibility for what is said or done.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 April 5 2021 12: 30
          +3
          Not his level, to solve the eternal question - "What to do?"

          100% support!
          As I support the author of the article on all points, and especially on this:
          How many times have we already heard about how we poison people, how we attack hospitals in Syria, how we use chemical weapons? Don't you think that this is just a preparation of the population for the fact that there will soon be exacerbations, provocations, and possibly a war? And do you know why this is necessary?

          Yes, simply in order to create in Russia at least some group of opponents of the war. Not a political one, not even an opposition one, but one in which people would be sure that they are for Russia, for the people. And at the same time they would fulfill the tasks set by the opposing side.
      2. Boris55
        Boris55 April 5 2021 07: 20
        0
        Quote: Olgovich
        Our Russian people live there, and they are already tired of living in conditions of many years of war. Something needs to be decided.

        Our actions, as well as those of Ukraine, on this issue are limited by the Minsk agreements and the UN resolution. There is a war of "nerves" who will break them first.
        1. dorz
          dorz April 5 2021 09: 10
          +1
          Inflating the topic of Donbass now for the sake of consolidating society is a dead issue, after the authorities with their own hands suppressed the topic of the Russian World and for several years in every possible way distracted the attention of society from the events in this region. Moreover, the media field commanders have been mysteriously cleaned up over the years, and the memory of them has remained only with the patriotic radicals.

          As a result, the population of the Russian Federation is now not interested in Donbass at all. Russians of even illiberal views feel annoyed at the mention of the LPNR because of a latent feeling of guilt - they say, people were pulled, given hope for the Crimean scenario, but in fact brought them poverty, a semi-criminal regime and a seven-year (yes, already seven-year!) Senseless war.

          But no one wants to directly take on this blame, which is why the irritation, which dampens it, is growing, fueled by refugees from Donbass, who declare all of the above in plain text and claim jobs in the Russian Federation.

          Donbass at the moment is a shame for Russia and the collapse of its imperial ambitions - after such a scam, no one, not a single Bantustan will seriously cooperate with the Russian Federation in such a context, we will not be surprised if Transnistria, after looking at what is happening, will launch integration processes with Moldova in the coming years , and there it is not far from the unionist drafts with Romania.


          Because everything that happens in Donbass cannot be called anything other than a seven-year mockery of people who believed you. It's another matter that, probably, this war is no longer needed by Russia, but by its opponents, and everything that happens is an agreement in their interests, or even a second step to squeeze Russia and its interests after the defeat of Karabakh. This option is much worse, primarily by the number of potential victims. It is only clear that in this case, too, it will not be possible to draw the election results on the patriotic wave.

          Source: https://t.me/dirtytatarstan/16138
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 April 5 2021 14: 18
            +5
            Donbass is currently Russia's disgrace and the collapse of its imperial ambitions

            Well, well. bully
            Did I understand you correctly that the Tatarstan public is calling for decisive action to protect Donbass from Ukraine? wink
            1. Pensive Lawyer
              Pensive Lawyer April 9 2021 03: 44
              +3
              Moreover, the public of Tatarstan, apparently, considers Karabakh to be a failure of the Russian Federation. When, as a result, the Russian Federation received another military base with controlled territory, achieved the restoration of railway communication, and at the same time showed that for the third country in a row, turning away from existing good-neighborly relations with the Russian Federation, it was losing controlled territories (Georgia, Ukraine, now Armenia ). As they say, three times is already a pattern.
              Well, as a bonus, the political death of Pashinyan's party, or at least a monstrous blow to it.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 April 9 2021 10: 43
                +2
                The Russian Federation received another military base with controlled territory, achieved the restoration of railway communication, and at the same time showed that for the third country in a row, turning away from existing good-neighborly relations with the Russian Federation, it is losing controlled territories

                You are right. yes
                The day before yesterday, Pashinyan came to repent, and the day before that, the court canceled the article according to which Kocharian, the former head of the CSTO and then Minister of Defense, was tried in Armenia at the suggestion of Pashinyan.
                Kocheryan has already gathered for the elections.
                Life is slowly getting better. hi
        2. nznz
          nznz April 6 2021 18: 13
          +1
          The Minsk agreements are not a panacea. Until when, for example, until the moment they are executed, they are quite a working document.
          As soon as the military intervention of Ukraine begins, they are reset. What do you trump them? they are insignificant after the first shot .. actually they are already insignificant precisely for this reason. If drunkards and womanizers from the OSCE did not close their eyes to this, everyone would understand what and who is interfering there.
          In general, the limited horizons of the authorities in Ukraine went off scale at once. FRG-lives, and how he lives. What megalo form the same federal union? I would have lived in an integral state. But in all fairness I didn’t want to, I wanted to bend these Untermenshes like the Nazis on a national basis and hatred, they played on a wave of nationalism, and away we go. And now you ask, What if they are for us? And what about us? Yes, there is for sho. Every murdered child, adult, old man or old woman pushes Ukraine a hundred kilometers away from the republics. They will never forgive. Russia will not give offense. And this is understandable to everyone except those addicted to saloperidol. There will be no support there - the West and the Americans cannot clean up. They would have to carry their legs out of Afgan .. History is a spring - strong ones squeeze it and hold it, but God forbid the strength runs out .. media understand ..
      3. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty April 5 2021 08: 15
        -6
        Quote: Olgovich
        The author analyzed the situation, but did not say the main thing: what should be done with the LPNR?
        Our Russian people live there, and they are already tired of living in conditions of many years of war. Something needs to be decided.


        Probably the main thing is "what to do with Ukraine". If the problem of Ukraine is solved, then the problem of the LDNR will be solved.
        And here the Russian Federation has complete fog and uncertainty. Rather, even a desire to mothball the situation for a very long time. "Let the descendants decide." Only the longer you put it off, the more difficult it will be to decide. The support of the Russian Federation within Ukraine is constantly decreasing. And this is not only due to the fact that the authorities uproot everything Russian. Most of the citizens of Ukraine are silent, because over the past years, almost everyone has realized that
        The Russian Federation has demonstrated two options for solving the Ukrainian problem: Crimean and Donbass.
        If the Crimean option finds support among many Ukrainians (if not the majority), then the overwhelming majority will be against the Donbas option.
        Roughly speaking, if the Russian Federation is not going to annex the Ukrainian territories, then it is better not to start. Most Ukrainians will fight against the murky version of the LPNR, where bandits and oligarchs rob the population and then expose them to shelling.
        This version of the "Russian world" is not needed by anyone.
        1. your1970
          your1970 April 5 2021 11: 40
          +9
          You forgot - what Crimean the option is not possible even in theory:
          1) legally, Ukraine will not be asked to join the Russian Federation - Crimea could
          2) without such a call - we are OCCUPANTS both for the population and for other states
          3) A certain number of the population will be categorically against us, up to and including leaving for the partisans
          This will automatically cause the need - if not hanging in the squares, then planting. Which in turn will lead to the support of such partisans by the population. In the USSR, who had the opportunity to shoot and comb the forests with divisions - the Bandera fighters ran for 10 years after the war.
          We are now deprived of the possibilities of the USSR, which means that the confrontation between the RF-Bandera (+ West) will be long and bloody.
          This, in turn, will further alienate the population from the Russian Federation. ...
          In the quiet, peaceful Crimea - and then some of the population grumbles - they say, "We used to live better !!" ...

          So alas - Crimean the option is possible only in one single case - this is when for "SUGS" peaceful passers-by will kill on the spot who said this
          1. Hlavaty
            Hlavaty April 5 2021 13: 07
            0
            Quote: your1970
            1) legally, Ukraine will not be asked to join the Russian Federation

            Donbass asked, but it did not help him.
            Quote: your1970
            2) without such a call - we are OCCUPANTS both for the population and for other states

            For other states, the occupiers have long been - you might have noticed this from the sanctions that are being introduced against the Russian Federation.
            And the population decides who is the occupier for them solely by the behavior of the one who came. In the eastern regions of Ukraine today, sometimes the Westerners are often considered occupiers because of their behavior.
            Quote: your1970
            3) A certain number of the population will be categorically against us, up to and including leaving for the partisans

            A certain amount will always be against you. How large this amount will be depends on yourself - see the answer to item 2.

            Quote: your1970
            So, alas, the Crimean version is possible only in one single case - this is when, for "SUGS", peaceful passers-by will kill on the spot who said this

            smile smile smile Smiled: "peaceful passers-by will kill"
            You understand that this is impossible. Only because peaceful passers-by are, at best, only family and friends, and behind "SUGS" there is a powerful force, financial and organizational support from the West. Those who were ready to transfer alone to the "SUGS" were buried back in 2014, the remains were driven into a reservation called "LDNR" (if this is not a reservation, then what is it?). The rest are now just surviving as best they can.

            You can endlessly flip the arguments "FOR" and "AGAINST", but in real life there is only political will and the art of war and politics. Everything else is demagoguery that covers up their absence.
            1. your1970
              your1970 April 5 2021 14: 13
              +3
              Quote: Hlavaty
              And the population decides who is the occupier for them solely by the behavior of the one who came.

              Quote: your1970
              This will automatically cause the need to - if not hang in the squares, then plant. Which in turn will lead to the support of such partisans by the population
              how will the population be treated? good-loyal-bad? Question questions ...

              Quote: Hlavaty
              Smiled: "peaceful passers-by will kill"
              You understand that this is impossible. Only because peaceful passers-by are, at best, only family and friends, and behind "SUGS" there is a powerful force, financial and organizational support from the West.
              why? Quite possible...
              There was no one behind the peaceful rural accountant Kovpak - when he started.
              Nobody supported Dushmanov in 1979-80 .. Later - yes ...
              "Red Brigades" ..
              IRA - the USSR supported a little and that's it ..
              The cube is a classic example. At the very beginning of the USSR, I designated purely positions, no more ...
              Basques ...
              And so on
              All these people were originally not the army, special forces and the like - but absolutely civilians who suddenly ceased to like their life
              In the world of about fifty countries, there is now a guerrilla war waged by absolutely irregular troops. Someone is supported, some is not

              When the bitterness reaches opredelennogo level - which I actually had in mind - civilians will be on the side of the 1,2 and 6th US Navy, as well as financial support from the IMF ... They just poke a specific person in the back with a pitchfork ... And it will die despite the support of the West ...

              And it is precisely without this intensity of passions that we will be occupiers, not liberators.

              Quote: Hlavaty
              You can endlessly flip the arguments "FOR" and "AGAINST", but in real life there is only political will and the art of war and politics.
              in 1945-56 was in stock political will, the art of war and politics - nevertheless, Bandera's people ran through the forests ... This is in real life ...
              1. Hlavaty
                Hlavaty April 5 2021 14: 27
                +3
                Quote: your1970
                There was no one behind the peaceful rural accountant Kovpak - when he started.

                No need to misinterpret history. Kovpak was a representative of the local Soviet government even before the war, and he and his employees prepared in advance for the transition to a partisan position. And then he was constantly in touch with the "mainland". And in general, the partisan movement was able to start fighting effectively when professionals got down to business. Read the memoirs of guerrilla commanders. The same Kovpak, Fedorov, Vaupshasov ...
                The dushmans always had support - first, local and Pakistani capital, then the West joined in. In general, the whole story there looks like a successful special operation of the West against the USSR. Such a "response" for Vietnam.

                Well, the rest of your examples do not stand up to scrutiny.
                And most importantly, they show that you have a very theoretical idea of ​​what is happening in Ukraine now. Therefore, your reasoning about how "peaceful passers-by" will overthrow the current government is only perplexing.
                Quote: your1970
                They just poke a specific person in the back with a pitchfork ...

                And then they will be dying to watch as their loved ones are brutally destroyed ... Yes, yes ...
                I have no doubt that you are exactly such a "hero".
                Although the further the more they look like an ordinary provocateur.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 April 5 2021 17: 57
                  0
                  Quote: Hlavaty
                  Kovpak was a representative of the local Soviet government even before the war and before the transition to a partisan position, he and his employees were preparing In advance.
                  -and? remind me - why somewhere there were partisans at once, somewhere during the war appeared, and somewhere they were not at all? Local Soviet power was everywhere, throughout the USSR ...

                  Quote: Hlavaty
                  Dushmans have always had support - first, local and Pakistani capital
                  - throughout 1980 there was no support ...
                  Money from Pakistan went only at the end of December 1980, weapons by about the summer of 1981 ...

                  Quote: Hlavaty
                  therefore yours speculations about how "peaceful passers-by" will overthrow the current government cause only bewilderment.
                  oops ....
                  WHERE ???? in WHAT PLACE you saw me that the locals will SAMI overthrow the power ?????
                  You wrote
                  Quote: Hlavaty
                  If the Crimean option finds support from very many Ukrainians (if not the majority),

                  I replied
                  Quote: your1970
                  legally, Ukraine will not be asked to join the Russian Federation - Crimea could
                  2) without such a call - we are OCCUPANTS both for the population and for other states

                  Quote: your1970
                  So alas - Crimean version is possible only in one single case - this is when for "SUGS" peaceful passers-by will kill on the spot who said this

                  We both discussed the introduction of Russian troops into Ukraine, didn't we?
                  You wrote that they would run in droves to greet us with flowers ("a lot if not most") - I told you that the introduction of Russian troops is possible only if the Bandera people torture people so much - that the locals will kill the Bandera people simply because they are Bandera, out of hatred. ..
                  I don’t see the majority there - joyfully meeting the troops of the Russian Federation ...

                  you at least read your opponent carefully, or something ...
                  Conversation between the deaf and the blind fool
                  1. nznz
                    nznz April 6 2021 06: 14
                    0
                    Let Alyosha not be there with a submachine gun. It's obvious. Donetsk people will meet and catch small local Napoleon-Banderchiks with flowers.
                2. Petrol cutter
                  Petrol cutter April 5 2021 21: 22
                  +1
                  "And the main thing is that you have a very theoretical idea of ​​what is happening in Ukraine now."
                  After reading your polemical battles, I strongly agree with you.
                  There is simply no reason to disagree. hi
                  Kovpak and other events of bygone days - let's leave them in history. The situation is absolutely different now.
        2. nznz
          nznz April 6 2021 06: 12
          0
          Ukraine itself will decide what to do with it. For now, it is worth curbing the military and not allowing the Russians to be destroyed in the Donbass. And the krina after that - after trying to attack and clean it - will fall apart. They will share it quietly and calmly and everyone will be happy. Russia will return to itself what it once allocated. These allocations will eventually become part of the Russian Federation as before. Poles will return to themselves what they belonged to. From Ukraine there will be a Western place ... This cannot but understand those who in Ukraine want voynushki.Oy still Hungary gnaw off svoe.Oni already carried out the passportisation of the regions, if cho there instantly organize self-defense and the Hungarian army will protect the separatists abruptly Donetsk. so who wants to decide wonders-gravediggers of Ukraine. It is a pity that the US decides .. and not the Ukrainians.
          1. Hlavaty
            Hlavaty April 6 2021 08: 46
            +1
            Quote: nznz
            Share it quietly and calmly

            Taking into account the pumping of weapons and Nazism, there is a fear that "quietly and calmly" may not work out. And given the presence of nuclear power plants in Ukraine and the mass of chemical industries, it can turn out to be very "loud".
            1. nznz
              nznz April 6 2021 17: 58
              0
              I suppose the other side is aware of what it will get for it. I think that everything will be resolved quickly and quietly on the battlefields. There will be no carpet bombing, not the Americans. Self-explode? Well, Bandera's guts are thin, they are only capable of narrowing their lives, and then they won't even have time to escape.
      4. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov April 5 2021 20: 52
        -3
        An interesting article. If Alexander is not engaged in disinformation of the Banderaites or he is not given the task to write exactly such a article, then he very is very wrong. And this is not my personal opinion, but the opinion of a significant number of competent experts: there will definitely be a war! An attempt at a fleeting blitzkrieg. Ukrainian "Oluya" - "The Tempest". The start of an attack on the LDNR is possible at any time, but - most likely - when the soil becomes dry. The last possible start date is August.

        Yes, to fight for real especially nobody wants. But you have to! Velikoukram - by order of the State Department. Russophobic volunteers of the world - out of hatred of Russia. Russia - by necessity, to save the compatriots of Donbass and Ukraine (and themselves too!). The United States, NATO, America's European mongrels will get off with threats, screeching, howling at the whole world and more sanctions.

        Why is war inevitable? After the completion of the construction of the SP-2 and its commissioning, the power, competitiveness, independence of Europe from the United States will increase, and the power, competitiveness, and influence of the United States on Europe will decrease, respectively. Launching the SP-2 is like death for the United States! That is why the United States is fighting to stop and disrupt the construction of the SP-2, throwing all its vassals into battle. Therefore, they are even ready to sacrifice the squeezed out Ukraine for the sake of saving "their Europe."

        Of course, anything is possible and the Americans can cancel the war in / in Donbass / Ukraine if something incredible happens. But this is unlikely.
    3. iouris
      iouris April 5 2021 17: 11
      0
      Nobody wants to fight, but they have to fight. Otherwise, the meaning of the dissolution of the USSR is not clear.
  2. lucul
    lucul April 5 2021 05: 55
    +2
    For Russia, another "standing on the Ugra River" has come.
    If someone thinks that the Russians will wear out and retreat, then they are mistaken.
    1. Sofa batyr
      Sofa batyr April 5 2021 06: 14
      +8
      Quote: lucul
      For Russia, another "standing on the Ugra River" has come.

      The situation is such that there may not be a complete analogue of "standing", and someone can (and perhaps should) go over the conditional Ugra.
    2. figwam
      figwam April 5 2021 06: 32
      +2
      First, no one wants to fight and cannot.

      The order will come from behind a puddle and everything will start.
  3. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 April 5 2021 05: 56
    +3
    Personally, my opinion about the "Hochland" - yourself, all by yourself ... at your own expense, and on your own ... and most importantly: no one owes you anything ... since 1991 ... something like that, and in general
    1. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich April 5 2021 07: 49
      -1
      Who is you minus? .. I personally agree with the conclusions. Ukriya should all "sama-sama")
  4. Far B
    Far B April 5 2021 05: 56
    0
    We, who have long lost our grandmothers, have somehow strangely perverted this phrase. We agree to concede in something, just not to fight ...
    Sorry, we agree to concede? Or is it our top? After all, we, in fact, have nothing to concede, we we do not have such an opportunity. And who has (and, accordingly, is inferior) - well, here you don't even need to point a finger.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 5 2021 07: 05
      +2
      And who at the top lost something?
      1. Far B
        Far B April 5 2021 07: 14
        -8
        And who at the top lost something?
        And I didn't take off the blinkers from your eyes. By yourself, all by yourself.
        The main idea of ​​my post is that only they - those who are at the top, not we - those who are below. And we are never them. So the author is engaged in the substitution of concepts ("We agree to concede in something, just not to fight").
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 5 2021 07: 48
          -4
          Quote: Dalny V
          So the author is engaged in the substitution of concepts ("We agree to concede in something, just not to fight").

          Strictly your personal opinion !!!
          Quote: Dalny V
          And we are never them.

          You are nothing compared to take off and your word is NOTHING compared to theirs.
          1. Far B
            Far B April 5 2021 07: 58
            +2
            You are nothing compared to take off and your word is NOTHING compared to theirs.
            Yes, bwana. Ok, bwana. Definitely, bwana. I will remember this, bwana. You, bwana, didn't get your brain damaged by carnations when the crown was nailed to your skull?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 5 2021 09: 51
              -4
              Go for a walk, the weather is good, you will make a decision instead of the president
        2. your1970
          your1970 April 5 2021 11: 48
          -1
          Quote: Dalny V
          only they - those who are above, have the opportunity to yield, and not we - those who are below. And we are never them

          In fact, once MSG was a simple combine operator, and EBN was a builder ..
          Who will be in power in 20 years - but who knows ... What and to whom - he will concede - all the more ...

          Vaughn Zelensky 10 years ago could not guess where he would be brought and why. Humorous and that's it ..
  5. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 April 5 2021 06: 05
    +16
    In fact, the topic is very tragic for a Russian napoda!
    I think only an inadequate person will seriously prove what we are all different Belarusians, Ukrainians and Russians.
    We are really one people, visually no different from each other, we communicate in the same way, the jokes are the same, etc.
    There are acquaintances, relatives, both here and there.
    They separate us alive by borders, impose foreign languages, rewrite history and even try to replace faith in God, and most importantly, they set us off against each other and the Slavs are fighting the Slavs, if you want the Russians are killing the Russians.
    But Russia least of all is being led to this "divorce" says let's live together, but in Ukraine, they are just brainwashed specifically: we are different, we are "ceevrope", we do not want to be friends with Muscovites, we want to be in the same family with Europeans! Who are you one family with, with the Anglo-Saxons?
  6. Aleksandr21
    Aleksandr21 April 5 2021 06: 06
    -1
    So, let's summarize what is visible today. First, no one wants to fight and cannot. Today only provocations are possible. Ukraine does not need war, but it needs a military atmosphere ...


    Okay, let's take this point of view, but does Ukraine have a choice? Nord Stream 2 is being completed, its construction means the loss of transit and the impossibility of concluding a new agreement with Gazprom (if ours refuse), then you will have to buy gas in Europe at European prices (whose it will not matter, most likely ours with a surcharge) but such a situation will lead to the destruction of the entire economy of Ukraine, which breathes every other time. Next, Zelensky's ratings ... he needs a second term in the presidency, what kind of support does he have? He lost the electorate in the South-East, only the central part of Ukraine and the Western part remained, where the positions of Poroshenko and various nationalist forces are strong, how to win them over to your side? You need to be a more ardent patriot than Poroshenko and do something that will raise Zelensky's ratings to new heights. those. war. Further, the difficult economic situation in the country, the difficult situation with the covid, payments to creditors (this year) and other problems .... do you need to distract the population? it is necessary, and provocations alone will not support interest for a long time, + after all, they will ask him about the Minsk agreements (and at home, where he promised to solve the problem of Donbass in 2021 and abroad), and pulling the circus with the Minsk agreements will never work out forever, the Europeans they are already looking askance and all these rounds of negotiations are leading nowhere ... but the problem remains, therefore, in my opinion, the risk of a renewed offensive is very high and those circles of power in Ukraine, oh, how necessary the war is ... to write off all the problems.

    The EU, Russia and the United States are a separate topic. The Europeans definitely do not need war, neither do we (new sanctions, stopping SP-2 ...) but whether the US needs a war is an open question, i.e. if Russia’s influence on Germany increases and it becomes energetically independent from the United States, then the Americans lose Europe and acquire a competitor (in the person of Germany) in the Asian markets, i.e. the price tag for goods based on Russian and American gas is so different :) and they cannot go for that .... they have hope for elections in the fall in Germany, but if they fly by there, the methods will be completely different.
    1. Sofa batyr
      Sofa batyr April 5 2021 06: 17
      +7
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      Okay, let's take this point of view, but does Ukraine have a choice?

      Ukraine had a choice until 2014 with Russia, or with the West against Russia.
      They made it. No more "or-or", they have no more.
      1. Aleksandr21
        Aleksandr21 April 5 2021 07: 11
        +1
        Quote: Divan-batyr
        Ukraine had a choice until 2014 with Russia, or with the West against Russia.
        They made it. No more "or-or", they have no more.


        In the highlighted quote, it was generally about something else, but if we talk about the choice, then it's time for us (Russia) to make it. Because while the situation is frozen, the Minsk agreements are not being implemented and will not be fulfilled ... what is Russia's position on Donbass? They cannot even open a polling station (although they have distributed enough passports), what can we say about more complex issues?
    2. parma
      parma April 5 2021 09: 22
      +1
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      So, let's summarize what is visible today. First, no one wants to fight and cannot. Today only provocations are possible. Ukraine does not need war, but it needs a military atmosphere ...


      Okay, let's take this point of view, but does Ukraine have a choice? Nord Stream 2 is being completed, its construction means the loss of transit and the impossibility of concluding a new agreement with Gazprom (if ours refuse), then you will have to buy gas in Europe at European prices (whose it will not matter, most likely ours with a surcharge) but such a situation will lead to the destruction of the entire economy of Ukraine, which breathes every other time. Next, Zelensky's ratings ... he needs a second term in the presidency, what kind of support does he have? He lost the electorate in the South-East, only the central part of Ukraine and the Western part remained, where the positions of Poroshenko and various nationalist forces are strong, how to win them over to your side? You need to be a more ardent patriot than Poroshenko and do something that will raise Zelensky's ratings to new heights. those. war. Further, the difficult economic situation in the country, the difficult situation with the covid, payments to creditors (this year) and other problems .... do you need to distract the population? it is necessary, and provocations alone will not support interest for a long time, + after all, they will ask him about the Minsk agreements (and at home, where he promised to solve the problem of Donbass in 2021 and abroad), and pulling the circus with the Minsk agreements will never work out forever, the Europeans they are already looking askance and all these rounds of negotiations are leading nowhere ... but the problem remains, therefore, in my opinion, the risk of a renewed offensive is very high and those circles of power in Ukraine, oh, how necessary the war is ... to write off all the problems.

      The EU, Russia and the United States are a separate topic. The Europeans definitely do not need war, neither do we (new sanctions, stopping SP-2 ...) but whether the US needs a war is an open question, i.e. if Russia’s influence on Germany increases and it becomes energetically independent from the United States, then the Americans lose Europe and acquire a competitor (in the person of Germany) in the Asian markets, i.e. the price tag for goods based on Russian and American gas is so different :) and they cannot go for that .... they have hope for elections in the fall in Germany, but if they fly by there, the methods will be completely different.

      We ourselves are driving Ukraine into a dead end, leaving its leadership with no other choice but war ... The LDNR is now like in purgatory, somewhere in the middle ... we cannot let them go, is tantamount to abandoning the idea of ​​the Russian world, which means we are just an aggressor who took away a piece of land from the neighbors without a great goal or idea (the annexation of Crimea violated even our own laws) ... we cannot take it to ourselves either, it was too late, it was necessary right away ... 30s, and the new sanctions will so "heal" our economy that it is better to die right away .. so there is not much choice for Ukraine - to start a war and wait for what will happen, we do not give them another way to move the problem off the ground .. why we? But simply because it was we who directly and most interfered in their internal affairs ...
    3. domokl
      April 5 2021 09: 51
      -1
      Quote: Aleksandr21
      does Ukraine have a choice?

      Alas, I agree in many ways. Ukraine today is a cat driven into a corner by a pack of dogs. Now there are only two options left. Either die in the teeth of the dogs, or try to break free and, bitten, but alive, crawl into the nearest basement to lick the wounds. What they have done to their country cannot be restored by anyone. Only a coalition of countries. And there is no such coalition today. Lockdown and ... every man for himself ...
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 April 5 2021 11: 42
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        Ukraine today is a cat cornered by a pack of dogs

        Moreover, the whole flock is she herself. Ukraine. Fight club of one character, who with all his might beat himself on anything.
      2. Azim77
        Azim77 April 5 2021 13: 37
        +2
        If you look from the 90s, then Ukraine is an orphaned teenage girl who went to a disco, disobeying her older sister. The eldest was still upbringing with her parents, she didn’t talk, study, find a job, but no, there’s Coca-Cola, “freedom” and rock'n'roll. Freedom is another word, in the end it happened - they got fucked. There were of course cigarettes, beer and promises, but no one wanted to marry. And provide. They do not need it for this.
        The sister was right, but it is because of this that the younger one does not want to forgive her.
  7. parusnik
    parusnik April 5 2021 06: 30
    +14
    we should expect liberals to become more active inside Russia - with the task of destabilizing the situation. Society must understand that a lot of stupid things can be done with the best of intentions.
    ... Are we waiting for the next laws, such as the pension reform? Prices have already risen. White bread, in a bakery across the street has risen in price ... and decent
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins April 5 2021 06: 44
      +7
      After the phrase
      I was simply forced to write this material. Forced by readers, acquaintances and almost strangers, who have been asking the same question for several days - will there be a war?
      I vaguely began to guess who the author of the material is, but the current "jump" from the fifth to the tenth ..
      But it was possible to express the author's thought more succinctly ...
      1. Revival
        Revival April 5 2021 13: 21
        -1
        Think Tereshkova?
    2. Pilot
      Pilot April 5 2021 06: 47
      -2
      Well, as without raising prices, society will not understand otherwise where the liberals have entrenched themselves. laughing But the biggest ,, gifts ,, from the liberals are still ahead, according to tradition, after the autumn ,, harvest ,, .. They need to disrupt the harvest ,, in some way, otherwise the nonsense of the ,, best ,, motives from them we will not get around, with a complete destabilization of the situation ..
      Staver probably meant it too with his quote .. wassat
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 5 2021 07: 06
      -8
      Rope and soap I can offer
  8. alekc75
    alekc75 April 5 2021 06: 41
    -6
    the author there are few normal people left, you are our philanthropic !!!!
    1. Flooding
      Flooding April 5 2021 09: 20
      +3
      Quote: alekc75
      the author there are few normal people left, you are our philanthropic !!!!

      hence...
      continue the thought
      1. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty April 5 2021 13: 31
        +2
        Therefore, as Yulia Tymoshenko used to say, “shoot from nuclear weapons”.
        After the dehumanization procedure, you can kill everyone. Probably this is what alekc75 wants?
        1. Flooding
          Flooding April 5 2021 13: 32
          +1
          Quote: Hlavaty
          Therefore, as Yulia Tymoshenko used to say, “shoot from nuclear weapons”.
          After the dehumanization procedure, you can kill everyone. Probably this is what alekc75 wants?

          silent
          shy
  9. Undecim
    Undecim April 5 2021 07: 08
    +9
    nobody wants to fight
    The only phrase in the article related to reality. The rest, as always with this author.
    Today, the DLNR is a Trojan horse that Russia is trying to foist on Ukraine by all means, moreover, on its own terms and as quickly as possible, since its content is becoming more and more burdensome. Ukraine, realizing what this option threatens it, resists with all its might. At the same time, both sides are strongly linked in their actions by the consequences of their own long-term propaganda campaigns, thanks to which any compromise or concession to the enemy will be perceived by the turbopatriotic community in Russia and the nationalist swamp in Ukraine as a defeat.
    Therefore, the current escalation of the situation is another attempt to break the deadlock. The hope that the opponent's nerves will break down and he will make the wrong move.
    And nobody really wants to fight.
  10. Guru
    Guru April 5 2021 07: 14
    +5
    We, no matter how the leftists, the rightists and other opponents of the statehood of Russia criticize us, are going through the crisis quite successfully. Compared to other countries, naturally. This also applies to the coronavirus, and the state of the economy, and the unity of the people.
    Tell me a European country in which food prices have risen, tariffs have risen? And in Russia there is already an 80 dollar, and leave the assertions that we earn rubles and spend rubles, and are not dependent on the dollar, ordinary people open their wallets and see how we actually went through this crisis, and how we don’t need sanctions since 2014 (dollar until 2014 cost 32 rubles.) Therefore, we do not need to comb our brains, we will tell everything in the elections.
  11. Silhouette
    Silhouette April 5 2021 07: 24
    +4
    Nobody wants to fight, but the problem of Ukraine has no other solution than a military one. This must be understood. Sooner or later you will have to decide. Delaying the solution of the problem will only lead to large losses. The further you tighten, the more they will be.
  12. samarin1969
    samarin1969 April 5 2021 07: 38
    +2
    "Everyone around is talking about the war ...". Only one thing can be agreed with Mr. Staver
    First, no one wants to fight and cannot. Today only provocations are possible. Ukraine does not need a war, but it needs a military atmosphere. Ukraine needs military bases or at least officially deployed NATO units on its territory.

    All these "Chinese marches" in the media can only result in another "Damansky airport": "position improvement", hail packets, the growth of mutual martyrology ...
    In "Coming to you" they are not fighting now. They attack sharply and suddenly.
    "Do the Russians want wars?" - the central question of the author. And no one asks the Russians. 2014 showed that Russia has more terrible weapons than the Aerospace Forces. But "Russian Spring" in 2015 was drained and, like gin, sealed. Therefore, the liberal clans of the Russian Federation, without any war, will continue to "move back" and "negotiate."
  13. north 2
    north 2 April 5 2021 08: 06
    0
    do you need war and do you want war, this is not the same thing. All the more so for Russia and its people today. The only thing that is clear is that without its collected lands within the borders of the European part of the Red Empire in 1989, Russia will not exist. This applies only to the territory. And without the concepts thrown into the dustbin of History that, they say, Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian are not one people, Russia will not exist either. For example, about territories. It is good that at least a bridge connects the Crimean territory with Russia now. And what connects the Kaliningrad territory with Russia today? A nest of hostility and a stall of Russophobia is Lithuania and it is not clear what kind of Belarus is capable of becoming the same at any moment? So, divided territories give rise to a divided people, although these territories are primordially Russian lands and this people is primordially one.
    So it’s stupid to pose the question - is there a need for war and do you want to fight. Did you want to fight
    our great-grandfathers, grandfathers and fathers for a thousand years of Russian history, so that these lands can be assembled into a single Empire and there the Russian nation should not be separated into Belarusians, Ukrainians and Russians, because only this is the truth and the truth is indicated to Russia by God. But, as soon as the atheists seized power in 1917, it was they who began to disintegrate the lands of the Empire, and separate the Russian people. He only wants to fight, but what Russia will have to fight for, only the traitor-deserter does not understand ...
    1. Hlavaty
      Hlavaty April 5 2021 13: 37
      -2
      I started well, but ruined everything with the second paragraph. negative
  14. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko April 5 2021 08: 26
    +9
    We, no matter how the leftists, the rightists and other opponents of the statehood of Russia criticize us, are going through the crisis quite successfully. Compared to other countries, naturally. This also applies to the coronavirus, and the state of the economy, and the unity of the people.
    About the unity of the people, I liked it very much. The growth of food prices, the communal reform of garbage disposal. As the cat Matroskin said: "Joint work, for my benefit, it unites." laughing
  15. tatra
    tatra April 5 2021 08: 41
    -6
    Who wants to fight?
    The enemies of the communists want. For almost half of the Soviet period, they, together with the invaders of their homeland, the invaders and the Nazis, and without them, fought against Soviet power. After their "Liberator" Gorbachev gave them freedom from Soviet power, they began to unleash wars against each other.
    1. your1970
      your1970 April 5 2021 12: 01
      0
      Quote: tatra
      After their "Liberator" Gorbachev gave them freedom from Soviet power,

      So all 16 million members of the CPSU voted for him ... Unanimously ..
      Not otherwise, the enemies of the communists - the eyes of the party members closed their palms, oh ...
  16. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. April 5 2021 08: 55
    +10
    I was simply forced to write this material. Forced by readers, acquaintances and almost strangers, who have been asking the same question for several days - will there be a war?

    laughing laughing
    Oracle .. Well, who else can ask this burning question if not a regular propagandist who has a set of duty stamps in his arsenal? As I understand it, the level of suffering answers from the predictor Staver is approximately the following: "Duc what - to buy buckwheat and salt ??"
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko April 5 2021 09: 52
      +3
      Cool photo good laughing Speak the truth.
      1. your1970
        your1970 April 5 2021 12: 02
        0
        Poorly inserted text, sticks out too ...
  17. nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 5 2021 09: 00
    0
    What prevents us from correctly assessing the situation? First of all, any movement of our military units on the territory of the Russian Federation, in the west, is regarded as a path to aggression. Our press also interferes. Saturday did not seem to be a Fool's Day. The headline is about the following, they say American tanks from Ukraine entered Donetsk. I read nothing Similar. Designed for people who read only headlines. And on the same day the video, Ukrainian BMTs with white flags drive into Donetsk. You will get rid of such news. Therefore, it is better to read VO.
    1. SASHA OLD
      SASHA OLD April 9 2021 17: 42
      0
      Quote: nikvic46
      The headline has something like this, they say, American tanks from Ukraine entered Donetsk. I read nothing of the kind. Designed for people who read only the headlines.

      this is called the Western word "clickbait", the goal is for the user to click on the link and go to the article on the site, even if the article is bullshit - the user has already clicked on anyway, which means he has increased the site's activity, the site's rating has grown and now there are areas for advertising on it became more expensive ...
      CAPITALISM, HAPPINESS, FOR (shi) BIS!))
  18. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 April 5 2021 09: 48
    -4
    USA. Their internal problems are such that the country is literally being harassed. Victory over Russia is a panacea. It will solve all and all kinds of problems for many decades to come.
    NATO. It is, like the United States, on the verge of collapse due to the fact that it was necessary to expose the real owner of the bloc, who insolently demands accomplices to "share", as if Germany and France are those despicable terpils that the bloc has been shaking all the time of its existence. The bloc not only needs a "small victorious war", it is vital to it.
    NATO and the United States are demonstratively avoiding exacerbations. Well, still - they want to attack at the most favorable moment for them. The argumentation of the author of the article is completely untenable, alas.
    So I personally see the situation as follows. Under the pretext of protecting Ukraine from bloodthirsty Russia, a war between Russia and NATO will begin in Donbass. If we again "do not appear for war", then, having passed the Donbass, the NATO Armed Forces simply will not stop. Under the cry that "Russia is attacking !!"
    So you have to get involved. Further, a strike with high-precision weapons at our extremely weak and few industrial centers, and centers of energy supply and control. After that, in this barbaric Russia, which in general has not been touched by anyone (yes, yes!), Epidemics of the most terrible diseases will break out, which will kill in a matter of hours, so there will be no time for an idiotic dance around "vaccine certification". Yes, and there will be no one to do anything, we are engaged in advanced technologies and everything like that, several dozen people per industry. And where and one by one. The only exception is the nuclear industry, which Kiriyenko saved alone. All these people will be destroyed at the second stage, the population is defenseless ... what else is needed?
    A simple and "clean" plan that will be implemented no later than this summer. Otherwise, units armed with hypersonic weapons will enter service, and it is already dumb to attack them. The situation is one-on-one as before that War, when Stalin did not have enough two years to modernize the army. It sucks ...
    1. your1970
      your1970 April 5 2021 12: 20
      +2
      Quote: Mikhail3
      It sucks ...

      Let's say they won ... Let's say ...
      What's next?
      Hitler, even on the European territory of the Russian Federation, did not have enough strength for the occupation ...
      How many infantry and tanks are there in NATO? Is this enough for a reliable occupation of the Russian Federation? One and a half tanks per city, two blacks per village? How quickly will the wicked Russians cut or sing them?
      Will NATO be able to carry fuel here for tanks (our refineries and fuel depots will be burned right after the start of the war)? Will they be able to regularly restore blown up gas pipelines - or will the EU remain without gas?
      Will they be able to exist without light and water - because they power plants will also immediately explode ??
      They are fighting for territory or resources - in such a scenario, they will only have losses from the war

      And I haven't even remembered this about the Russian army yet .... And the fuel trucks in a column with a solarium for the Leopards - oh, what a crediting goal ...
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 April 5 2021 12: 29
        +1
        Quote: your1970
        What's next?

        Do you know how to read? So read my comment, okay? Why occupy Russia ?! Is it the 19th century now? People are no longer a resource for which there are wars. So you and I will simply be starved out by disease and banal hunger.
        On the gas and oil fields, well protected by their remoteness from the rest of the country, some blacks will be thrown out, which is not a pity, if not all mutated microorganisms die in due time. Pipeline transport will be served by a few teams of professionals with a huge salary in specialized protection complexes.
        Guerrilla wars are simply impossible these days. Did not know? We install a small analytical complex on the helicopter, the basis of which is a simple camera that sees in the infrared range. And a machine gun interlocked with it. In principle, it is possible to defend against an infrared camera, but no functioning partisan detachments can be created that way. They will interrupt. Those few who will not die out from deadly diseases. Alas.
        1. your1970
          your1970 April 5 2021 13: 01
          0
          Quote: Mikhail3
          People are no longer a resource for which there are wars.
          Where did you see from me what I consider people to be a resource
          Quote: your1970
          Are fighting for territory or resources
          ??
          And on the topic ...
          Do not you think that you are describing a little the wrong times ??? Not??!! And then it strongly gives the Terminator, "Power was seized by machines ..."? However, even there, the machines did not really manage to control people ...

          And if the those - why the US could not defeat the guerrilla movement in Afghanistan, and Israel - the Palestinians ?? And England - Ulster and North. Ireland?
          Now in the world at least fifty countries have guerrilla wars of various sizes and strengths inside them ... Fifty !!!!
          Was anyone able to defeat the partisan movement? Yes, practically not - if the civilian population supports it. ..

          Diseases? Hmm ... hit everyone ...

          And the 15-20-50 million Belarusians, Balts, Ukrainians, Poles and Russians who rushed towards Europe - what will they stop with? They cannot detain a pitiful million refugees from Africa, they cannot master ...
          And 15 million (I am silent about more) even with nuclear explosions on their territory - they will not be stopped ...
          1. Hlavaty
            Hlavaty April 5 2021 13: 57
            +1
            Quote: your1970
            why the United States was unable to defeat the guerrilla movement in Afghanistan

            Well, this is just ridiculous, the guerrillas there extract opium from the grown poppies, from which then American laboratories make heroin and sell it to competing countries.
            Quote: your1970
            Now in the world at least fifty countries have guerrilla wars of various sizes and strengths inside them ...

            And almost everywhere behind this is not ideology, but the gesheft of specific field commanders and their roofs.
            Those who are guided by ideology are simply destroyed. As in the Donbass. The rest is "just business and nothing personal"
            Quote: your1970
            Was anyone able to defeat the partisan movement? Yes, practically not - if the civilian population supports it. ..

            Therefore, corporations do not engage in occupation, but prefer genocide and banal bribery of field commanders. And the "partisans" suddenly begin to fight very selectively against competitors.
          2. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 April 5 2021 14: 52
            +2
            The seizure of territory is the seizure of people as a resource in the first place. So what do you think in the 19th century) Did I scare you? Well, what can I do, the reality is pretty scary, that's why people hide in books and films. About terminators.
            The "guerrilla movement" in Afghanistan is a source of immense wealth for the US intelligence services and army. Who cuts the chicken that lays diamond eggs the size of a head? Hehe ... The Irish "guerrilla" movement is purely urban, it is alive as long as the cities are alive and successful.
            Most of the rest of the guerrilla wars are fought where there is no one to use modern systems. By the way, there are also partisans - a source of huge profits for the "fighters" against them.
            We and the United States do not use the means I have described because with the beginning of its use, special forces operations in the form in which we know them will become impossible. This will force both sides to apply the rest of the technical innovations, and this is already a war, and the war is probably the last one. Nobody wants to start it yet. But everyone is ready for this ...
            Refugees? Are you serious ?! Good God ... Now the "migrant problem" is a desperate attempt to maintain a mental sleep in which Europe is sweetly confident in its "morality." They say we are cute and kind in the ocean of the surrounding savages. But we are saving the savages ... little by little. In the event of a REAL war, the refugees will simply and cheaply be slashed with machine guns. The remnants of those who run away from the machine guns will die of hunger, that's all. To maintain a pleasant sleep, Europeans will be told that all refugees are infected with terrible diseases (and this will be partially true). By the way, it is not the Europeans who will kill the refugees, but the former "countries of the socialist camp", for some kind of medicine that they will be given for this. At the same time, these medicines will be checked.
            And then training with a fake coronavirus type is not going well. The Europeans were blown away, and the Americans also lost real science. So they will restore it on the dying Poles, Bulgarians and Hungarians.
      2. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty April 5 2021 13: 50
        -1
        Quote: your1970
        Hitler, even on the European territory of the Russian Federation, did not have enough strength for the occupation ...

        And if the current ones are not going to have fun with the occupation? Moreover, today the world is ruled not by states, but by corporations. Why would corporations be occupied with an occupation? Corporations need PROFIT! The occupation does not bring much profit.
        Profit can be obtained much easier:
        1. Carry out genocide (at the same time, you can test all kinds of bacteriological weapons, new medicines, new food technologies) in order to reduce the population to 10-20-50 million people,
        2. Divide the rest into separate principalities and set them against each other.
        3. And then make money like on the African leaders - buy raw materials for colorful candy wrappers. And not in a hurry to explore interesting areas of the territory.
        EVERYTHING!
        The rest is too complicated and not very profitable.
        1. your1970
          your1970 April 5 2021 15: 32
          -1
          Quote: Hlavaty
          Therefore, corporations do not engage in occupation, but prefer genocide and banal bribery of field commanders.

          Quote: Hlavaty
          Why would corporations be occupied with an occupation?

          You both got carried away - like breathe breathe, that's it, TNK rule ...

          Trouble one - both of you didn't answer what would happen if
          Quote: your1970
          rushing towards Europe 15-20-50 million Belarusians, Balts, Ukrainians, Poles and Russians - what will they stop? They cannot detain a pitiful million refugees from Africa, they cannot master ...

          ???? And this is not a joke - in the event of an epidemic of 20-30-50 million deaths, refugees will blow away the power in the EU to the Atlantic Ocean ... No machine guns will stop ...

          Trouble two - a pandemic of this magnitude in the Russian Federation will cause a collapse of all world exchanges. After that, some TNCs will not be left with N-I-Ch-E-G-O, at most a sign on the building ...
          It was DEU - they did everything from tanks to super tankers, where is DEU now ?? And such examples are a wagon - all sorts of Westinghouse, ICM and others ..

          Trouble third -
          Quote: Hlavaty
          Divide the rest into separate principalities and set them against each other.
          - this is rolling in Africa, in Russia - this will cause an exceptional rise in the cost of raw materials for them - everyone will have to pay. And in the course of the OBD, tearing up the gas pipeline to a neighbor is a nice thing ...

          Well, the 4th Troubled Army was not defeated ... Therefore, the risk that at any moment it will fly to the London Metal Exchange or the Tokyo Commodity Exchange - something for several megatons - is extremely high. And this increases the risks of a crisis by a million times + to a pandemic
          5 troubles -
          Quote: Hlavaty
          Well, this is just ridiculous, the partisans there extract opium from the grown poppies,
          - we failed to defeat them
          Quote: Hlavaty
          Those who are guided by ideology are simply destroyed.
          nevertheless, they exist in the world and there are quite a few of them.
          1. Hlavaty
            Hlavaty April 5 2021 16: 07
            0
            Quote: your1970
            like breathe, breathe, everybody, TNK rule ...

            Who do you think is driving? Biden or what?
            Quote: your1970
            in the event of an epidemic of 20-30-50 million deaths, refugees will surrender power in the EU to the Atlantic Ocean ...

            Do not blown away. They will be bravely destroyed by the Poles, Who will help the West with weapons and promise to give them then all of Russia to the Urals. Then, of course, they will, but the Poles are stubborn enough warriors that several tens of millions of refugees lay down in Poland. Especially if they are allowed outright genocide. So most of the refugees will get bogged down in Eastern European countries.
            And there won't be so many refugees. If the epidemic is "on the scale of 20-30-50 million dead," most of the rest will feel so badly new that they are unlikely to crawl to the border. And they will be able to scare away the rest with the help of the media and machine guns.
            Quote: your1970
            Trouble two - a pandemic of this magnitude in the Russian Federation will cause a collapse of all world exchanges.

            Well, what's the trouble here? Those who start such a pandemic will definitely have a plan on how to make money on it. In 2020, amid the pandemic, the richest people on the planet have become even richer. And they bought up a lot of the assets of bankrupt firms. Classics of Marxism-Leninism: Monopoly as the Natural Development of Capitalism. The large ones eat the small ones.
            Quote: your1970
            Divide the rest into separate principalities and set them against each other.
            - this is rolling in Africa, in Russia - this will cause an exceptional rise in the cost of raw materials for them - everyone will have to pay.

            It rolls everywhere. The fanatics will print as many princes as necessary to pay for the princelings - all the same, the princelings will keep them in offshores that belong to Britain and the United States.
            Quote: your1970
            Well, the 4th Troubled Army was not defeated ... Therefore, the risk that at any moment will fly to the London Metal Exchange or the Tokyo Commodity Exchange - something for several megatons - is extremely high.

            Why are you so worried about these exchanges. The "new world order" may well manage without them. In the USSR, there were no exchanges and nothing - they lived. And with the army, the issue is solved in the same way as with the state: bribery and personal terror. In Iraq, this was very clearly demonstrated. "A donkey laden with gold will take any fortress." Moreover, as it turned out, there have been various colonels with apartments filled with cash for a long time. That is, there is corruption in all echelons of power. The USSR was destroyed without a single shot!
            1. your1970
              your1970 April 5 2021 17: 33
              -2
              Quote: Hlavaty
              Do not blown away. Poles will bravely destroy them,
              -you are serious ??? I guarantee you 100% - they will not be able to stop even 5-10 million who ran there. Stupidly there will not be enough cartridges ... and machine guns ... and the number of personnel - who, seeing such horror, will also run (but with weapons)
              About 50 million - even nuclear strikes cannot be stopped
              from the banal "Spanish flu" - people ran en masse in all directions
              Quote: Hlavaty
              Why are you so worried about these exchanges.
              -a hit on any exchange - will cause a collapse speculative part the world economy - which will fill up everything else ...
              3/4 of the property (conditionally) of TNKs are noughts on servers (including exchanges). If the exchanges are reset to zero, it may turn out that many TNCs will have nothing left at all.

              Quote: Hlavaty
              Fantiks to pay for the prince will print as much as necessary - all the same princelings they will be stored in offshorewhich are owned by Britain and the United States.
              -In general, it is an epidemic, the population is dying and there is no joy for the princelings somewhere in the offshores - you cannot go out into the yard, you will get sick lol ...
              No, if the epidemic is at the level of 50 + million, then there will be no offshore and candy wrappers.

              Quote: Hlavaty
              In 2020, amid the pandemic, the richest people on the planet have become even richer.
              we are witnessing death only 2,7 млн people worldwide
              And you pushed the death version
              Quote: Hlavaty
              reduce the population to 10-20-50 million human,
              only in Russia. As if there is a concrete wall around Russia - through which viruses do not jump ... yeah .. immediately boldly add the country 404, RB, Limitrofov, Poland Moldova and other Romanian Bulgarians
              in such situations -
              Quote: your1970
              refugees will blow away power in the EU in the Atlantic Ocean
              - I got excited ... He just Will NOT be noticed(oh, there was some kind of power running under my feet, I accidentally crushed ...)

              Are you strangling disbelief? Open the refugees 2-3 years ago in Germany - they spat on the authorities, they crap on the authorities, they wiped their feet on it ...
              Receiving benefits in 12 different cities at the same time in one person - with the current computerization and fingerprinting - is nonsense ... in Germany it was quite rolling, and maybe it still works ...
              And that's just just 1 million refugees - NOT 10 -20 -50 -100 ...

              z.Y Poles will run the first in the first rows away from Russia - they are stoned but not fool .
  19. Doctor
    Doctor April 5 2021 10: 25
    +4
    So, let's summarize what is visible today. First, no one wants to fight and cannot.

    However, everyone is at war. Paradox... wink
    1. agond
      agond April 5 2021 11: 00
      +1
      In case of aggression on the part of Ukraine, it would be logical to unilaterally withdraw from the agreement with it on gas transit, by the way, the terms of the agreement on transit through Poland expire in the summer.
    2. Borisych
      Borisych April 5 2021 11: 24
      +2
      Ukraine has many different problems. As for the war with Russia, such a war is impossible for Ukraine, this is a fact. The absence of combat aircraft in fact, what is now flying is just rubbish, the expired deadlines for air defense missiles and the presence of bridges across the Dnieper, without which no logistics is possible in principle. For some reason, everyone forgets about bridges, and the Ukrainian territory consists of two halves, separated by a river and reservoirs. No bridges, no Ukraine
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 April 5 2021 11: 38
        +1
        The loss of half of the territory and a deafening defeat is a disaster for UKRAINE. And for its rulers - the only chance for salvation and even for the growth of influence. For money, credibility and the future.
      2. Doctor
        Doctor April 5 2021 13: 11
        +1
        As for the war with Russia, such a war is impossible for Ukraine, this is a fact. The lack of combat aviation in fact, what is flying now is just rubbish

        However, the war is already underway, until recently, and with aviation ...
  20. BAI
    BAI April 5 2021 12: 23
    0
    Something I do not understand:
    Now let's look at our homegrown liberals from Dozhd":

    Military experts and officials interviewed by The New York Times believe that escalating the Ukrainian border may be Moscow's way of testing Biden's new administration. “Russia is absolutely not interested in a peaceful resolution of the conflict. It is in its interests to support Ukraine in the most destabilized state, ”says Frederick Hodges, retired lieutenant general and former commander of the US Army in Europe.»

    When did an American general become our liberal?
  21. Jaromir
    Jaromir April 5 2021 14: 35
    +2
    Who wants to fight?

    The main wantons of war are the occupation authorities in Ukraine and local Bandera-Nazis. They are the ones who need the war.
  22. Aleksandr97
    Aleksandr97 April 5 2021 14: 55
    0
    The review lacks the main thing: the opinion of Ukraine, as such, in principle, is not of interest, not the EU, let alone the United States! A predictable start - a corporate identity of a provocation, similar to the MH-17. In the variant if, nevertheless, hypothetically, the United States pushes the Ukrainian question where ?! - on bail to British colleagues. By the way, the British took an active part in 1918-1920 Finland with concentration camps and the physical destruction of everything Russian and everyone loyal to Russia. They will try to repeat the Finnish experience in the "Ukraine is not Russia" project.
  23. sergpopovst
    sergpopovst April 5 2021 15: 49
    +2
    Nonsense of a pro-Kremlin propagandist.
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  25. okrd
    okrd April 5 2021 17: 17
    0
    None of the NATO countries will directly participate in this war. And a small victorious war can help strengthen the shaken authority of the government. This is to the question of who else can benefit.
  26. avia12005
    avia12005 April 5 2021 17: 23
    +2
    So the conclusion is to LEAVE EVERYTHING AS IS? And wait, when Bandera will massively carry out terrorist attacks in the Russian Federation? Will the Russians in Ukraine finally cease to consider themselves as such? Will NATO place military bases near Kharkov, Mariupol, Ochakov?

    Ukraine in its current form is intended to destroy Russia.

    "If only there was no war"? Oh well. No matter how our children and grandchildren have to disentangle this mess. Somehow it doesn’t work like a parent.
  27. Evgeny Seleznev
    Evgeny Seleznev April 5 2021 21: 26
    +1
    And it is necessary. This war. For that, legally, this is the territory of Ukraine captured by the separatists. And then the whole world will rise on its hind legs due to the intervention of the Russian Federation outside the framework of the Minsk Agreement. He can simply help with volunteers and humanitarian aid, and not kill his soldiers for someone else's land, as in Syria. And it's time to stop being an outcast country, with or without Putin. Lishba there was no war. And people in the Russian Federation lived better, this is a priority. And not banana republics and other rabble.
  28. nznz
    nznz April 6 2021 06: 01
    +2
    1. "The guys have seen enough movies and have forgotten that soldiers, like civilians, are people. Moreover, on both sides."
    The author completely forgot that the purpose of the army's existence is to fulfill the tasks set by the country's leadership. Including those associated with a risk to life. And then only for parades. The risk of perishing is an integral part of any army, any state, otherwise it is not an army.

    2. "And let this Ukraine" eat "itself. Close the border and forget about this country altogether. The Ukrainians will kill each other themselves. Of course, they will. They will only kill first those who still believe in Russia, those who did not support Bandera and other “separatists.” The story is the same as in the first case. We forget that we are all living people. "
    Is the author sure that there are still brothers in Ukraine? And what did the test of Odessa, the test of the House of Trade Unions show? The song of the dead does not knock on anyone's heart? Alas, the Ukrainians were silent, and Odessa was pro-Russian like no one else. It is necessary to throw off rose-colored glasses, for 30 years everything that is possible has been washed. A silent mass that sits quietly and attentively watches who will take it. And there is no need to reproach Russia for what it is not to blame. If Ukraine is independent, then this is its internal question. And the closure of the borders of the plague state is nothing to blame for those who are healthy. Juggling as in paragraph 1.

    3. "But what struck me most was the readiness to fight. And not for myself," we have a strong army for this, "but for someone else. I hear the slogan" to fight to the last Ukrainian "quite often ... our heads are enemy propaganda, enemy ideas and desires. "
    And what distinguishes the situation in Ukraine from the situation in Syria? oh yes, the author proceeds from the fact that there are brothers .. Disappointed, the people feel (in the mass, and not with the tip of the pen) how the attitude of Ukrainians to Russians has changed. So if we close our eyes to the fact that there are "brothers", the analogy with Syria and the seizure of power by the fascists changes the view. The country must be freed from fascism. Otherwise, we will just hide our head in the sand and this position is convenient for you to understand. Preventive measures ..
    ________ I will not go on, and it's so long

    4. "So, to summarize what is visible today. Firstly, no one wants to fight and cannot. Today only provocations are possible. Ukraine does not need a war, but it needs a military atmosphere. Ukraine needs military bases or at least officially deployed units. NATO on its territory. "

    Author, where are you? To listen to you, the concentration of a huge mass of troops (I read that about 120 thousand people) is it ... crap, just an escalation of the situation? What are border incidents? What are you speaking about? 250 thousand Russians with passports and citizenship in the regions are not borderline graters. Why distract from the essence of what is happening? For what purpose was this absurdity written?

    What NATO bases are in Ukraine, you understand that this is not a repetition of the Caribbean crisis, but of a more acute crisis, that then our missiles should rise from Cuba to Colombia, and not Kennedy is in power, but an old man in dementia.

    According to the development of the situation in Ukraine, in our underbelly, NATO will evaluate its steps in the future. We will observe the bases appear.

    I am convinced that the Russian Federation will react harshly, very harshly. So it will not seem enough to anyone. Georgia did not reach Tbilisi ... but here is the case when the language of politicians will definitely bring to Kinva. The lamp posts will be occupied. There is nothing worse than the revenge of the unified and intimidated people to its enslavers. Russia will not even have to deal with this. .. the main thing is that the Nazis cannot escape ..
  29. Lew
    Lew April 6 2021 07: 45
    +3
    Nobody wants to fight, but we must!
    no one wanted to fight Hitler either, but they had to clear the world of the brown plague. And the longer the purge is delayed, the more bloody the war will turn out to be. Ukrainian nationalism has already become a national idea. For another 5-7 years and 99% of the population of Ukraine will hate us fiercely and will be ready to go to war with us.
  30. nonsense
    nonsense April 6 2021 10: 09
    +1
    Today we are building new relations with the East and West. We are returning to where we fled from after the collapse of the USSR. We are exploring new markets.

    funny ... and with what is this "new relationship" different from the previous ones? - I don't see any differences. I see only one desire of the Russian elite to continue licking the ass of this so-called "West". And what kind of "new markets" have we mastered? - we just lost own markets in the form of Ukraine, the Baltics, Transcaucasia ...
    PS: and in order to "make war" with Ukraine, ground forces will not be required (in large numbers). It is enough to strike air strikes against the "headquarters" of all levels and air defense. Then, with aviation, smash the logistics of the Ukrainian troops operating in the Donbas - and indeed all the logistics (bridges, supply bases, fuel depots, airfields) - and the Armed Forces of Ukraine will run out of the conflict zone in the style of Saddam's fedayeen. Then the Ground and Internal Troops will be required - to occupy the territory (:) the left bank of the Dnieper completely + ...). :) And immediately to establish punitive psychiatry in the liberated regions! - To bring stoned Ukrainians to their senses ... with Haloperidol ...
    And to endure at its borders an obviously hostile pseudo-state formation for decades (as was the case with the "brothers" until 2014 with whom they constantly tried to establish some kind of economic ties in response to their fascist-Bandera actions) is a clear mistake.
  31. yehat2
    yehat2 April 6 2021 14: 48
    +1
    some strange article. type everything depends on elections and calls.
    One thing I can say for sure - if you do not create a counterbalance to the grouping that Ukraine has assembled on the border of Donetsk, then the likelihood that a massacre will begin will be very high.
    Ukrainian politicians have already reached the level of animals in their decisions. If there is a banana hanging nearby, they can't help but try to grab it. So arguments are needed that even animals can understand.
  32. Decimalegio
    Decimalegio April 6 2021 19: 10
    0
    In Europe, no one wants war with Russia, not because we are afraid of it, but because we know that the war will be fought in Europe, and we remember the destruction of our countries at the end of World War II, which the Americans never had. .known. However, the confidence with which you think you can attack Europe without any consequences makes me smile. But nothing is impossible for keyboardists and wunderwaffen.
  33. Alexey Rogomanov
    Alexey Rogomanov April 7 2021 06: 41
    +1
    The Americans have already said: Donbass is a postponed war. Question: What are the ways to lead it? Most likely financial and sabotage.
  34. Yaroslavl
    Yaroslavl April 7 2021 08: 57
    +2
    After the words, about the successful state of the economy and the unity of the people ... I propose not to read further
  35. the same doctor
    the same doctor April 7 2021 13: 27
    +1
    Nobody ever wants to fight. That is why the state exists, to solve national problems by military methods. And Ukraine threatens the national security of Russia and does concrete harm every minute. Due to our passivity in 2014, we lost up to $ 500 billion over the years ...
  36. aleks700
    aleks700 April 10 2021 13: 46
    0
    As much as one would like peace, but without a war, the Nazi regime in Kiev cannot be removed and it is not a great pleasure to have NATO bases under its belly. The question must be solved, but how, it must be decided by the General Staff.