Egypt is going to demand more than $ 1 billion in compensation for the situation with the container ship in the Suez Canal

In Egypt, an investigation is continuing and finding out the reasons why the giant container ship blocked traffic on the Suez Canal, running aground. Recall that the blocking of the channel by the vessel Ever Given lasted from March 23 to March 29, but so far the container ship by the Egyptian authorities has not been released to continue sailing.

Today it became known that the management of the Suez Canal intends to file a lawsuit in connection with the huge losses incurred as a result of blocking the transport artery. According to the latest information, the amount of the claim exceeds $ 1 billion.

The head of the Suez Canal Directorate, Osama Rabia, said that the amount was calculated based on many parameters, including lost funds for traffic, as well as the cost of employing hundreds of workers and engineers to remove the container ship from the aground.

Osama Rabia:

Our daily losses were about $ 130 million. We will ask for a large amount of compensation. It should exceed $ 1 billion.

At the same time, it is noted that compensation will be requested "in the first place for the fact that the vessel was taken aground."

According to the head of the directorate, he expects to agree on compensation with the shipowners, "otherwise the container ship will continue to remain in Bolshoy Gorky Lake." This body of water is the widest part of the Suez transport artery, located north of the main part of the canal. According to Osama Rabia, the vessel is currently "undergoing maintenance" there.

Based on this, we can conclude that the Egyptian side blames the incident on the ship owner Ever Given, a company registered in Japan. Recall that the container ship carried out transportation under the flag of Panama.

Earlier, the command of the US Navy said that due to the long closure of the channel, they had to change the logistics of patrolling their ships in the region.

Comments

[Niko]

To discourage others

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Niko

To discourage others

And what about the responsibility of an Egyptian pilot?

[Niko]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

Quote: Niko

To discourage others

And what about the responsibility of an Egyptian pilot?

They will take away the Marlboro block that they asked for from the captain

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Niko

Quote: LIONnvrsk

Quote: Niko

To discourage others

And what about the responsibility of an Egyptian pilot?

They will take away the Marlboro block that they asked for from the captain

He was not given - there is nothing to take away. Therefore, what happened is what happened ...

When the system of recording all the events on the bridge and the black boxes are eventually announced to the whole world, then Egypt will probably be washed in full.

[tralflot1832]

The captain of the vessel is responsible for everything, not the pilot! These are the laws of good maritime practice. "Good maritime practice" has a legal status.

[svp67]

Quote: tralflot1832

The captain of the vessel is responsible for everything, not the pilot !!

I understand that this will be decided in court

[tralflot1832]

In court, only the amount of compensation will be decided, a priori the vessel operators are to blame.

[svp67]

Quote: tralflot1832

In court, only the amount of compensation will be decided, a priori the vessel operators are to blame.

Initially, the guilt of each should be established and on the basis of this compensation will be considered in PERCENTAGE RATIO.
If now the shipowner agrees with his guilt, then he will quickly be bombarded with lawsuits by all those who have suffered losses in this incident.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: tralflot1832

In court, only the amount of compensation will be decided, a priori the vessel operators are to blame.

If the pilotage of this "barge" has been ordered and paid for, the pilotage service will bear responsibility, since the captain of the "barge" must follow the instructions of the pilot, and therefore the pilot is responsible for grounding ....

[tralflot1832]

Are you KDP? I'm not sure, but KDP is friends, we meet over a cup of tea, remembering our former youth.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: tralflot1832

Are you KDP?

Not at all. I can only compare with national law, and I don't want to shovel international law ...
For example, KTM RF -

For the safety of navigation of the vessel the captain of the ship follows reasonable recommendations of the pilot and does not interfere with his work without sufficient reason (Article 96).

However, about the "KDP", i.e. captain of the ship, you were right (according to our order):

The captain of the ship may instruct the pilot to give orders regarding the navigation and maneuvering of the ship directly to the helmsman, which does not relieve the captain of the ship from responsibility for the consequencesthat may occur as a result of such orders. (Article 97)

https://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_22916/
Here you need to look at the norms of international law - the Convention on the provision of free navigation on the Suez Canal, etc.
Again, in our order, both for KTM and KVRT, it is indicated that the state can determine the places where pilotage should be applied, and for foreign ships (there is an exception) it is always applied.
Probably here too, some role should have been played by the pilotage service, i.e. either its APE / Suez Canal operator did not provide, or pilotage was not carried out, but should have been .....
So APE / the operator of the Suez Canal will sue the owner of the stuck "barge" and its operator, and those who stood in line on the canal and whose belongings were in the containers of the stranded ship will try to sue APE / the operator of the Suetz Canal .... ...
Anyway, the whole crowd will exchange claims so as not to waste time.

[tralflot1832]

It will all end with the captain! I assure you, international practice!

[SovAr238A]

Quote: tralflot1832

The captain of the vessel is responsible for everything, not the pilot! These are the laws of good maritime practice. "Good maritime practice" has a legal status.

So Yes.
But since the pilotage service provides services on a reimbursable basis, it bears full financial responsibility for the damage caused to the ship owner.

[tralflot1832]

As usual in practice, all the blame is shifted to the captain, the pilot: And we have nothing to do with it, we only recommended the course and speed, but the cap did not cope! This is such a parodox for the command post.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: tralflot1832

As usual in practice, all the blame is shifted to the captain, the pilot: And we have nothing to do with it, we only recommended the course and speed, but the cap did not cope! This is such a parodox for the command post.

We will wait to see if the entries from the bridge and black boxes will be published.

[Free wind]

It seems as if, if necessary, the services of a pilot, the captain introduces the pilot to the helmsman, and transfers the control of the vessel to the pilot, not the command, but the control of the vessel. But the captain can request another pilot if the pilot causes him to be distrustful.

[Niko]

Quote: tralflot1832

The captain of the vessel is responsible for everything, not the pilot! These are the laws of good maritime practice. "Good maritime practice" has a legal status.

The captain has nothing to take away, he gave the Marlboro block to the pilot

[Victorio]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

Quote: Niko

To discourage others

And what about the responsibility of an Egyptian pilot?

===
the pilot is on board, and the captain is in charge, it is unlikely that something has changed

[Lara Croft]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

Quote: Niko

To discourage others

And what about the responsibility of an Egyptian pilot?

Maybe they did not use his services, if this is not an obligation, of course ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: LIONnvrsk

And what about the responsibility of an Egyptian pilot?

You can't take anything from Egyptian pilots, but they always do. For the passage of a ship up to 10 tons, you put on about two boxes of "Marlboro" (others do not take).
The pilot will swear on the "Koran", and his fault is not, your fault (you can thunder in kalabush too). The entire system of the channel stands on this, and the channel closes on the president.

[Professor]

Quote: Niko

To discourage others

EverGreen is filing a $ 2bn lawsuit. to the leadership of the Suez Canal for failure to ensure the safe passage of the vessel.

[forty-eighth]

The most likely outcome is that responsibility will be shifted to an official, from whom there is nothing to take. On that and decide. And who will be extreme: whether the captain, the pilot, or even some kind of dispatcher - this is already the tenth matter.

[Grandfather]

Egypt is going to demand more than $ 1 billion in compensation for the situation with the container ship in the Suez Canal

that is, you don't need to clean the channel?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: professor

EverGreen is filing a $ 2bn lawsuit. to the leadership of the Suez Canal for failure to ensure the safe passage of the vessel.

Let them fight. But the canal trial always takes place in Cairo.

[Orakul2000]

Since we have a case with a merchant ship, then most likely the court will be either in Stockholm or in London.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Orakul2000

Since we have a case with a merchant ship, then most likely the court will be either in Stockholm or in London.

It all depends on the companies of the insurers of both parties, but the administration of the channel will definitely file a claim with the Egitpet Court.

[Orakul2000]

Moreover, since the insurance monopoly on the insurance of ships and, accordingly, shipping companies, sea transportation and cargo is such a financial monster, which is the English insurance company of the Lloyds house, which means the court will be redirected to where it is convenient for this monster, and this is London, and the court in which commercial issues under the auspices of the ICC (International Chamber of Commerce), no less a monster, being in Stockholm is very unlikely that something on this issue was decided by the Egyptian court. The caliber did not come out.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Orakul2000

Moreover, since the insurance monopoly on the insurance of ships and, accordingly, shipping companies, shipping and cargo is such a financial monster, which is the English insurance company of the house of Lloyds

You write this with confidence, but there is little likelihood, in the East they prefer their own companies. Ever Given is owned by Shoei Kisen Kaisha is in the "bareboat charter" of the Taiwanese company Evergreen Marine (consider them the owners). And the Egyptians were the first to file a lawsuit, and who and where are the insurers The administration of the channel is not known.

[Orakul2000]

Good day. I am writing with confidence as I myself am a certified forwarder and familiar with the rules and regulations for shipping companies and straits. He also had insurance cases with shipping companies in his practice. On the reverse side of the master of the bill of lading (Original Bill of Lading), the duties and responsibilities of shipping companies are printed, read, you will be pleasantly surprised.

[rocket757]

Egypt is going to demand more than $ 1 billion in compensation for the situation with the container ship in the Suez Canal

So nothing unexpected, unusual ... screwed up, pay. The only question is ... who exactly screwed up?

[xorek]

Quote: rocket757

Egypt is going to demand more than $ 1 billion in compensation for the situation with the container ship in the Suez Canal

So nothing unexpected, unusual ... screwed up, pay. The only question is ... who exactly screwed up?

Hopefully not Russia? And then the arrows can translate, as usual the reason will be sucked out of the finger .. I won’t be surprised Victor!

[rocket757]

Quote: xorek

Hopefully not Russia?

No options can be ruled out !!! But, President Al-Sisi, is not a stupid person! We will not expect this from him ... but in all sorts of media and other liber schiz / A \ nutyh, we can expect everything.

[xorek]

Quote: rocket757

but in all sorts of media and other liber schiz / A \ nutyh, you can expect everything.

Well, I'm talking about such clickers ..

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

The only question is ... who exactly screwed up?

This is a dark business, but working a lot for Egypt, I think you can find the ears of the Egyptians.
First you need to figure out what the ship owner and the charterer represent, and dance from there.

[Victor_B]

Today it became known that the management of the Suez Canal intends to file a lawsuit in connection with the huge losses incurred as a result of blocking the transport artery. According to the latest information, the amount of the claim exceeds $ 1 billion.

It should actually be the insurance company's problem.
For this they are huge money and pay.

[Pilat2009]

Quote: Victor_B

Today it became known that the management of the Suez Canal intends to file a lawsuit in connection with the huge losses incurred as a result of blocking the transport artery. According to the latest information, the amount of the claim exceeds $ 1 billion.

It should actually be the insurance company's problem.
For this they are huge money and pay.

The insurance company insures the cargo and the ship, and no one will compensate for indirect damage, unless the channel itself is insured against blockages

[BAI]

our daily losses were about $ 130 million.

And they said 10-12 lyamas. Something very large amount. There is a possibility that Egypt will get the figure that the container ship drew. Although Egypt has leverage - it will take and will not let the ships of Japan or this company through the canal.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: BAI

Although Egypt has leverage - it will take and will not let the ships of Japan or this company through the canal.

Not eligible. There is a Convention on this score.

In accordance with Art. 1 of the 1888 Convention, the Suez Canal must always remain free and open, both in time of peace and in time of war, for all merchant and military ships without distinction of flag. The blockade right cannot be applied to a channel.

https://studme.org/83302/pravo/rezhim_plavaniya_mezhdunarodnyh_kanalah

[Mouse]

including lost funds for traffic, as well as the cost of employing hundreds of workers and engineers to get the container ship aground.

counterclaim for a shit ... th fairway ...

[sedoj]

In fact, all claims to the channel operator are for improper condition. Receiving that kind of money, he must fight the shoals in time. A mess, like everywhere else.

[xorek]

Quote: sedoj

In fact, all claims to the channel operator are for improper condition. Receiving that kind of money, he must fight the shoals in time. A mess, like everywhere else.

I think so too! And then they are used to collecting huge money from the ships, but the canal is not cleaned and in general the Egyptians have no plans in an emergency! We drove a small excavator and a couple of tugboats .. Razdolbai in one word!
What if it sank across? And the containers are all in the water ..

[amr]

very interesting interview on this topic!

But och beautifully and intelligibly explains the essence of this event

[Lara Croft]

Quote: amr

very interesting interview on this topic!

Yes, you can't read articles about political analytics on VO, those who gave you "- -", apparently haven't watched the video to the end ...

[sergo1914]

And I said that the Suez Panamanians will be put on the counter.

[tralflot1832]

In a situation with covid and loss of profit, in maritime transport, the operator of the vessel kerdyk !!!

[SovAr238A]

...
Pindyk will be to Egypt.
If they continue to do so.

The whole problem is the cigarette bakshish.
Every pilot is not paid.
But it is customary for them to take 5 blocks of cigarettes.

And here the company-manager of this container ship publicly declares its zero corruption.
And precisely for this - the Egyptian pilots put her in a "puddle".

And now they are still not to blame.

I have always said that Arabs are like gypsies, only worse ...

[Alien From]

1 billion ...... they are still asking for a little.

[Azimuth]

You pay 1 lam (approximately) to the captain. Buying up shares in the oil industry and others in advance. He drives the boat aground and removes the foam from the rising prices. A worthy speculator can earn several billions from insider information. Simple multi-pass with
Real profit. So, we are waiting for provocations in "narrow" places. Bosphorus, Panama, for example ...

[t-12]

Lyam for a ruined reputation and a ruined career? The captain will now have to change profession.

[Mikhail3]

You can have a hundred lyamas. A stock exchange with money and skills in this situation will easily remove 10-20 billions. Another question - what about the pilot? He was driving the boat.

[Galleon]

A pilot never takes control of a ship or ship. He only recommends. And the transfer of control of the ship is always legally recorded - by an entry in the ship's (for the military - in the logbook).

[Galleon]

The captain of such a ship has a monthly salary of 12000-15000 euros, he can save about a hundred "pieces" for retirement a year, and you want to buy his good name for the indicated amount? Will not sell.

[Xscorpion]

Quote: Galleon

The captain of such a ship has a monthly salary of 12000-15000 euros, he can save about a hundred "pieces" for retirement a year, and you want to buy his good name for the indicated amount? Will not sell.

Their real salary is about "ten". Well, even if 15 ... In a year he works for about 6 months at best, if there is direct luck with contracts. A million he will not get out of the sea for almost 6 years, but in normal work it is 10-12 years old. And what is real not to bribe? 12 years sailing the seas, or just sitting at home? It’s a difficult choice, of course. Over the years, everyone will forget about this incident, and besides, he will be easily taken as a senior officer on any ship, and the salaries there are not much lower.

[Pashhenko Nikolay]

The Egyptians do not care. The channel brings a little more than five lards a year, and here they already have 130 lards a day. It is clear that it is necessary to pay for the work, but it would not be bad to be friends with a conscience.

[zwlad]

You can demand as much as you like, but who will pay them.

[loki565]

You can demand as much as you like, but who will pay them

How much does a container ship cost? plus the cargo on board, they landed it for a reason, they weren't even allowed to leave the canal.

[zwlad]

For the cargo on board, you can get a good deal from the owners of the cargo.

[Mikhail3]

Get crazy. First, why are there so many shallows in the canal? Whose duty is it to clean them? Secondly, the ship was led not by the captain, but by the pilot provided by the canal administration. It will be a very, very funny trial ...

[Knell wardenheart]

One thing in this story is completely incomprehensible to me - why is the ship called EverGreen in some photos and EverGiven in others? Is this a kind of joke, a la Captain Vrungel?)

[Reviews]

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

One thing in this story is completely incomprehensible to me - why is the ship called EverGreen in some photos and EverGiven in others? Is this a kind of joke, a la Captain Vrungel?)

Look at vessels such as the Silja Line from the side and stern / bow.

[Orakul2000]

Evergreen is the name of the company. Evergiven is the name of the vessel.

[DED_peer_DED]

In order not to get stuck at will, it is necessary to interest the transport workers. It is necessary to do so, stuck - we will bomb and cut into metal, and the owners are fined for the "work" done, many times higher than the ship's insurance against force majeure.
Then the desire to get stuck and sink ships "under insurance" will disappear. But, this is not realistic in a world with a crumbling "world order". Those who can pay the shipowner for the problems he has created can pay him significantly more than he will lose from fines and the loss of a ship with cargo. There would be a goal of the event, serious and necessary for someone important.
Egypt canal too, poorly maintained, draws money from it to the maximum, therefore, one cannot do without external "gendarmes". One or the other. And they, the "gendarmes", are not up to it.
In short, the mess will continue. This is by design. And this is the goal.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

I don't understand the Egyptians. Of course, a lot of money has been spent. But container ships of this class give big incomes. And then, if they want to appeal to the judicial authorities, then on what basis do they not release the ship? This is arbitrariness. And the owners of other container ships will think carefully before using the services of the Egyptians ...

[Free wind]

I'm not a sailor at all, but in this case it seems like a malfunction in the control system. There is no current to turn the ship around, there was no wind either. It seems they stuck their nose into the shore, and the engines continued to work, and turned the trough across.

[alien308]

Like they wrote about a sandstorm. There are currents there. The ebb and flow are driving. The channel state has nothing to do with it. The ship was stranded on the shore. Crawled out nose to the shore. It looked a few meters above the waterline.

[Gennady Fomkin]

And the camel said to the Arab:

- That's it, I won't drag any further! ..

... I am a camel, a ship of the desert, and I am loaded like a donkey.

For the life of me - I will not move a single step!

[Gennady Fomkin]

The funny thing is that they have to thank the Japanese for such a profitable business. It was during WWII that the United States came up with a cargo standard to ensure optimal logistics in the Pacific

[Gennady Fomkin]

You can treat Captain Timur Rudov in different ways (type in the youtube search the words "Captain Timur Rudov") as a person, but I think his professional experience should be treated with respect in any case.

So, in one of his latest videos about EverGiven, he talks about a possible de-energization of the vessel and that if the vessel really went out of power during the passage of the canal, then this was most likely a consequence of the degradation of maritime transport: companies "cut bones", hire personnel with no qualifications for no money, vhlam hysteria made it difficult to change crews, perform routine maintenance and supply spare parts for ship equipment, and so on.

[amr]

Quote: Lara Croft

but on VO you can't read articles about political analytics

To be honest, the site is already a little annoying, it has become primitive, especially the commentators who are from article to article ... where do they get their time from?))

but you see a habit)))
although the Internet seems to be growing in scale, but in quality it is now a kind of tabloid not even a novel, but a "bearded anecdote"!

[Vladimir1155]

this is the inconvenience of too large ships, the dock is super large, the draft is constrained, the tugboats cannot cope with them, and the mooring walls are to be listed on the fingers for them, gigantomania is a big vice

[fa2998]

Quote: Mouse

including lost funds for traffic,

How so? That the ships that were in the queue, missed them free of charge? Vryatli, they regularly took from everyone in full. To the work of Egyptian pilots! Local Susanins!