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"Name the ships" Putin "and" Stalin "- Russia will not attack them": the names of frigates under construction are being discussed in Poland

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Since the 1990s, Poland has been concerned about increasing the combat capability of its naval forces. According to Warsaw, the potential of the existing naval forces is clearly insufficient to deter a possible attack from the Baltic Sea. Naturally, Russia is named as a possible aggressor, but this is not the point now.


According to the position of the Polish government, the fleet must be ready to repel missile attacks not only on ships, but also on the area in which these ships are located. The implementation of this concept required Warsaw to move to the creation of its own frigates. In the foreseeable future, the Polish Navy should replenish with 3 frigates. And here the fun begins ...

The Polish Naval Academy presented the results of a study to the Ministry of National Defense, which stated that historical a tradition of the Polish naval forces is the naming of ships in honor of the ethnographic groups of the Polish people. The military department agreed with the conclusions of the academy, after which it was decided to name the first frigate of the modern Polish Navy "Goral" ("Gural"), and two other frigates that will be built later - "Mazur" and "Kuyaviak".

Let us remind you that Gurals, or Gurals, are an ethnographic group of Poles inhabiting the mountainous regions of southern Poland - Podhale and Beskydy, as well as the northwestern part of Slovakia and the northeastern part of the Czech Republic. Actually, gurali means "highlanders". During the Second World War, the Nazi administration of the General Government tried to separate the Gurals into a separate nation, which possessed greater privileges compared to the rest of the Poles.

Kuyavia is a historical region in northern Poland, which was once part of Prussia. Mazury is another interesting ethnographic group, whose representatives derive their history from the Polish Prussians and do not consider themselves either Poles or Germans. Interestingly, a significant part of the Mazur professes Lutheranism, not Catholicism.

Of course, ethnographic groups and nationalities must be respected, and here the policy of the Polish leadership might not raise any special questions. However, critics of such names for new ships immediately noted that the government made attempts to highlight those regions in which they voted for the ruling coalition. That is why the first version of the name "Krakowiak" was replaced by the name "Mazur".

It is also noted that the historical ships "Gural", "Mazur" and "Kuyaviak" were sunk during the Second World War by German planes. In this regard, critics of such names fear that the new ships will inherit the sad fate of their predecessors.


Model of the historical ship of the Polish Navy "Gural"

By the way, the historic "Gural" since 1917 served as a torpedo boat in the Imperial navy Germany, and in 1919 it was transferred to Poland. In 1921, the ship was renamed "Podalanin", and on September 29, 1939, she was sunk as a result of attacks by the Luftwaffe.

The historical "Mazur" has about the same story: a German torpedo boat, transferred to Poland after the end of the First World War, sunk on September 1, 1939 during a raid by a German aviation... The destroyer "Kuyaviak" was transferred to Poland by Great Britain already in 1941, and in 1942 she sank in the region of Malta, being blown up by a mine.

As the comments of readers on Polish sites testify, many ordinary Poles are in solidarity with the critics of the names. For example, a certain Bimbo suggests leaving ethnographic names for corvettes, since there are corvettes "Silesia" and "Kashubia", and to assign the names of prominent military leaders and statesmen to frigates.

The user with the nickname Patkolo advises first to at least build ships, and then assign names to them. There was a place for jokes: one of the users advises to give the frigates of the Polish Navy the names "Putin", "Lenin" and "Stalin" - allegedly Russia would not dare to attack such ships ...
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 April 2 2021 14: 36
    +13
    "Name the ships" Putin "and" Stalin "- Russia will not attack them": the names of frigates under construction are being discussed in Poland
    "funny" proposal ... it was necessary to squeeze the article yesterday! the most it was b.
    1. Machito
      Machito April 2 2021 14: 40
      +13
      I like the name Kujawiak for a Polish frigate because it reveals its military value.
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 April 2 2021 21: 33
        +3
        advises to give the frigates of the Polish Navy the names "Putin", "Lenin" and "Stalin"

        So after all, such ships will ask for political asylum in Russia
      2. venik
        venik April 3 2021 00: 29
        -1
        Quote: Bearded
        I like the name Kujawiak for a Polish frigate because it reveals its military value.

        =======
        About "military value" - I do not know, but on REFLECTIONS - it leads! (who knows - he will understand!) hi
      3. Russobel
        Russobel April 3 2021 11: 49
        0
        I like the name Kujawiak for a Polish frigate because it reveals its military value.

        Only with the letter X at the beginning ...
        And I advise them to call their launches "Jozef Lipski" and other bastards and anti-Simite pigs ...
    2. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg April 2 2021 14: 42
      +5
      ... Let us remind you that Gurals, or Gurals, are an ethnographic group of Poles inhabiting the mountainous regions of southern Poland - Podhale and Beskydy, as well as the northwestern part of Slovakia and the northeastern part of the Czech Republic. Actually, gurali means "highlanders". During the Second World War, the Nazi administration of the General Government tried to separate the Gurals into a separate nation, which possessed greater privileges compared to the rest of the Poles.

      Kuyavia is a historical region in northern Poland, which was once part of Prussia. Mazury is another interesting ethnographic group, whose representatives derive their history from the Polish Prussians and do not consider themselves either Poles or Germans. Interestingly, a significant part of the Mazur professes Lutheranism, not Catholicism.


      Why aren't the liberals shouting about the fact that modern Poland is a "prison of peoples" and are not trying to free the Gurals, Kuyaviaks and Mazurs from the Polish yoke? How did the West support the independence of the Estonian, Latvian and Lithuanian SSRs? Double standards?
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra April 2 2021 15: 01
        +2
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        Why don't liberals shout about the fact that modern Poland is a "prison of peoples"

        What's new in this?
        Beryoza-Kartuzskaya is a concentration camp created by the authorities of the Polish Republic in 1934 in the city of Beryoza-Kartuzskaya (now Beryoza, Brest region) in Western Belarus as a place of extrajudicial internment of opponents of the ruling regime. From 1934 to 1939, it contained opponents of the ruling regime on charges of "anti-state activity": communists, leaders of the Jewish, Ukrainian and Belarusian national movements, Polish political opponents of Józef Pilsudski

        Well, what is there about the fact that the Poles are generally no side to the concentration camps?
    3. xorek
      xorek April 2 2021 14: 47
      +9
      Quote: rocket757
      "Name the ships" Putin "and" Stalin "- Russia will not attack them": the names of frigates under construction are being discussed in Poland
      "funny" proposal ... it was necessary to squeeze the article yesterday! the most it was b.

      Rokosovsky would be better called or Dzerzhinsky hi Worthy sons of Poles in Russia! hi Not like the current tribe .. negative
      Do you agree with me Victor and other adequate forum users? hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 2 2021 14: 50
        +10
        Quote: xorek
        Worthy sons of Poles in Russia!

        And Poland is worthy, what to claim for such people?
        1. Catfish
          Catfish April 2 2021 16: 43
          +4
          Hi, hi. hi
          Whatever you call it, sinking it is easier than building it. "We swam - we know." wink
          1. Sling cutter
            Sling cutter April 2 2021 18: 05
            0
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Whatever you call it

            So it will float, therefore, it is simply impossible to call some names. wink
            1. Catfish
              Catfish April 2 2021 19: 36
              +1
              Sometimes it doesn't really depend on the name either. laughing
          2. rocket757
            rocket757 April 2 2021 19: 13
            +2
            Hi Konstantin soldier
            "Gold" fish "," magic pike "in the hands, it's cool ... BUT, we do not live in a fairy tale, so we will call our ships HOW IT IS NECESSARY!
          3. Cowbra
            Cowbra April 12 2021 22: 01
            0
            Korsun - Strategic Missile Forces, punk, spartacus .. And a slob. But - talent
        2. xorek
          xorek April 3 2021 08: 53
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          Quote: xorek
          Worthy sons of Poles in Russia!

          And Poland is worthy, what to claim for such people?

          Of course not, they were Russians, with Polish nationality ... hi
  2. svp67
    svp67 April 2 2021 14: 39
    +4
    Yes, let them call it what they want, in war, especially at sea, first they shoot, and only then they will know your name ...
    1. xorek
      xorek April 2 2021 14: 51
      +7
      Quote: svp67
      Yes, let them call it what they want, in war, especially at sea, first they shoot, and only then they will know your name ...

      Well, I remember our criminals pinned portraits of Stalin and Lenin on their chests, hoping that they would not be shot for robbery and robbery lol Well, yes, the bastards were shooting .. Some remained wrinkled ..
  3. marchcat
    marchcat April 2 2021 14: 39
    +4
    No names will save the Polish fleet in the event of a global conflict. The obstacle in the way, in any case, will have to be removed.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg April 2 2021 14: 44
      +3
      Let them build this fleet first.
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 April 2 2021 14: 49
      +2
      Quote: marchcat
      No names will save the Polish fleet in the event of a global conflict.

      That's right. If they build what they have now - a good target, however.
      Quote: marchcat
      The obstacle in the way, in any case, will have to be removed.

      So, there is nothing to clean up. To begin with, all the gentry must take up sabers, find out in the end what they will be called. Then build another ... or again: By the way, the historic "Gural" from 1917 served as a torpedo boat in the Imperial German Navy, and in 1919 was transferred to Poland. The historical "Mazur" has about the same story: a German torpedo boat, transferred to Poland after the end of the First World War. The destroyer "Kuyaviak" was transferred to Poland by Great Britain already in 1941,... Maybe again with the world on a string?
  4. Anatoly 288
    Anatoly 288 April 2 2021 14: 40
    +1
    Kuya ... and that says it all. With such a word, be called
  5. Woodman
    Woodman April 2 2021 14: 41
    +3
    They can also rename Warsaw to Stalingrad ...
  6. Pereira
    Pereira April 2 2021 14: 43
    +3
    Call it "unsinkable and fireproof" and no one will shoot at him.
    What's the point of wasting missiles uselessly?
    1. mark1
      mark1 April 2 2021 14: 48
      +2
      Quote: Pereira
      Call it "Unsinkable and Fireproof"

      Why is it so difficult - "Turd" * (or whatever it is in Polish) - and it is dumb to attack and does not sink (and it does not burn while fresh) ...
  7. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 2 2021 14: 45
    +7
    : Those who like to look for bruises from metal deformations during welding on our ships will be happy when contemplating this Polish ship. laughing
    1. Pereira
      Pereira April 2 2021 15: 12
      -3
      These are such sun glare from the waves. In fact, the surface is perfect.
      1. Polite Moose
        Polite Moose April 2 2021 19: 50
        +3
        Quote: Pereira
        In fact, the surface is perfect.

        With zero roughness. laughing
  8. AVA77
    AVA77 April 2 2021 14: 47
    +3
    Gather all the liberals in Russia and let them drown, they drown anyone on the drum, "Putin", "Lenin" or "Stalin" they and "Peter" with "Ekaterina" will drown if necessary. smile
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter April 2 2021 16: 54
      -2
      Quote: AVA77
      Gather all the liberals in Russia and let them drown, they drown anyone on the drum, "Putin", "Lenin" or "Stalin" they and "Peter" with "Yekaterina" will drown if necessary

      Colleague, you should first learn to write Russia with a capital letter, then distinguish historical figures from acting characters, otherwise without it, wink you svidomita or p / sheka are similar.
      1. AVA77
        AVA77 April 2 2021 17: 33
        +2
        The fact that I wrote Russia with a small letter, my public jamb, this can be indicated hi You can even discuss, but in another article, on spelling and spelling. Whom and how I will distinguish there and whom I look like, this does not concern anyone at all (this is personal, these are holy liberal values wassat ) I think you have everything on the topic of the article. smile or discuss my cat?
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter April 2 2021 17: 59
          +1
          Quote: AVA77
          I think you have everything on the topic of the article. or discuss my cat?

          We will not be a cat, if he is not a Pole of course and does not bear odious nicknames. laughing
          PySy. What day is it today, maybe yesterday was 32nd? wassat
  9. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 2 2021 14: 48
    +2
    After Poland's accession to the European Union, the Polish shipbuilding industry was completely rotten. Well, to hell with them.
  10. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 April 2 2021 14: 54
    +4
    Have sunk, Blokherov began to discuss on VO.
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 April 2 2021 15: 02
      +4
      This is not the first time. Before that, there were discussions of commentators from India, China and others.
  11. Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich April 2 2021 14: 58
    +2
    one of the users advises to give the frigates of the Polish Navy the names "Putin", "Lenin" and "Stalin" - allegedly Russia would not dare to attack such ships ...

    It wouldn't have been necessary. In another attack of Russophobic madness, the Poles would have sunk these ships themselves.
  12. Cowbra
    Cowbra April 2 2021 14: 58
    +5

    About blue duct tape - very true
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 April 2 2021 15: 18
      +2
      - How does a "sea" protest differ from a "land" one? A variety of obscene designs? laughing
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta April 2 2021 19: 54
        -1
        Quote: saygon66
        - How does a "sea" protest differ from a "land" one? A variety of obscene designs?

  13. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 April 2 2021 15: 01
    +2
    Here are the plagiarists, I recently suggested that the Chinese call their ship New York so that the United States would shoot at New York.
    Ethnic groups must of course be respected. Give independence to Mazurov, From the Polish occupants!
  14. Roma 1977
    Roma 1977 April 2 2021 15: 05
    +2
    Since Russia has never historically attacked Polish ships, I propose to name the new ship: "Bzdyshek Przepshybzdulski". Nothing threatens him.
  15. Mouse
    Mouse April 2 2021 15: 05
    +4
    critics of such names fear that the new ships will inherit the sad fate of their predecessors

    And what, I like ...
    "Kuyaviak" vyak ... vyak ... vyak ... wassat
  16. Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver April 2 2021 15: 17
    +2
    Rename Warsaw to Putintrad
  17. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 2 2021 15: 26
    0
    Quote: Pereira
    These are such sun glare from the waves. In fact, the surface is perfect.



    Soon, Poland will have only one submarine - Soviet, class "Kilo".

    By 2015, Poland may be left without a navy. This conclusion is contained in a secret report of the Polish Navy to the Commission for National Defense of the lower house of the Polish parliament. Ships and submarines are rapidly becoming obsolete, and there is no money for their modernization and replacement due to the purchase of American F-16 fighters.

    In total, the Polish naval forces now have 41 ships. The core of the fleet's combat potential is made up of two large missile frigates, three small missile ships, a corvette and five submarines.

    The confidential report, the text of which was obtained by the journalists of Gazeta Wyborcza, states that over the past twenty years the Polish Navy has not received a single new ship. According to the authors of the report, by 2015 the Polish Navy, most of whose ships were produced in the second half of the 1960s, will be forced to write off most of its combat units. In seven years, the service life of two rocket frigates, two small rocket ships and four submarines will come to an end. This will lead to the "loss of combat capability" of the fleet.
    The report says that the main striking power of the Polish Navy is made up of two large missile frigates Pulaski and Kosciuszko. Both were launched in 1980. In 2001, Poland received them from the United States. They are armed with relatively modern Standard and Harpoon missiles. The problem, according to the report, is that in 2014, the United States is stopping the production of spare parts for ships of this class. Difficulties are also associated with the fact that Kaman Super Seasprite helicopters are used on the frigates. The American naval forces abandoned them back in 2001. Keeping old helicopters in service, according to the authors of the report, is very costly.

    It should be noted that even now the operation of these ships is not a cheap pleasure. According to the Polish newspaper "NIE", bringing the American "gifts" in order cost the Polish taxpayers tens of millions of dollars. The fact is that after twenty years of use, the frigates needed major repairs. The Americans saved on it by transferring the ships to the Poles and at the same time earning money on spare parts, technical assistance and personnel training. Glare however laughing
    According to the authors of the report, in order for the Polish Navy to remain on alert, it will need to invest $ 10-8 billion over 10 years.However, as noted by the Polish media and members of parliament, until 2015 there will be other priorities in the budget for military needs. : several billion dollars must be paid for the F-16 fighters purchased from the United States. Therefore, there will be no free funds.
  18. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 2 2021 15: 40
    +1
    Quote: Pereira
    These are such sun glare from the waves. In fact, the surface is perfect.

    Here, too, is a ship, and before you say nonsense with a "smart" look laughing
    1. Pereira
      Pereira April 2 2021 18: 57
      +1
      I get the feeling that you do not like democracy.
  19. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat April 2 2021 15: 50
    0
    Based on the policy of the pshek, they should name the ships after the heads of the concentration camps.
  20. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor April 2 2021 15: 56
    +2
    Yes, this whole hyena of Europe is not worthy of dust from the shoes of these two people, they are completely insolent.
    1. Malyuta
      Malyuta April 2 2021 20: 09
      -3
      Quote: Incvizitor
      Yes, this whole hyena of Europe is not worthy of dust from the shoes of these two people, they are completely insolent.

      At the expense of Comrade. Stalin agrees, but ... the second .... is not impressive.
  21. sergo1914
    sergo1914 April 2 2021 16: 33
    +2
    Kuyaviak is a long name. I suggest "Kui". Short, clear, courageous.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish April 2 2021 19: 40
      +2
      Like - "If you want to live, but if you want to strike, you will get it anyway ..."? (with) laughing
      1. Malyuta
        Malyuta April 2 2021 19: 43
        0
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Like - "If you want to live, but if you want to strike, you will get it anyway ..."? (with)

        Washer? belay
      2. sergo1914
        sergo1914 April 2 2021 19: 50
        +2
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Like - "If you want to live, but if you want to strike, you will get it anyway ..."? (with) laughing


        Like like this
  22. Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash April 2 2021 16: 50
    +2
    We need to finish building Stream-2 as soon as possible! It is like a bone in their throat! So they will hustle! We'll see tolley!
  23. cniza
    cniza April 2 2021 17: 13
    +3
    There was a place for jokes: one of the users advises to give the frigates of the Polish Navy the names "Putin", "Lenin" and "Stalin" - allegedly Russia would not dare to attack such ships ...


    So you are mistaken, we will consider them our own, with all the ensuing consequences. laughing
  24. noct
    noct April 2 2021 19: 11
    0
    We will not attack such ships, we will board
  25. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin April 2 2021 19: 24
    +1
    Quote: Pereira
    I get the feeling that you do not like democracy.

    I love democracy where it is laughing
  26. Catfish
    Catfish April 2 2021 19: 42
    +3
    You can not name, but just hang a portrait. laughing

  27. Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich April 2 2021 20: 47
    +1
    poor fellows, completely pupated
  28. Jaromir
    Jaromir April 2 2021 21: 47
    +6
    the names of frigates under construction are being discussed in Poland

    Lately too many Poles have begun to express their "professional" opinions ... Are they pretending that they have independent experts? All of their experts are salaried by the Anglo-Saxons. Real Polish experts are not allowed "to the people", they are afraid that the Poles will find out the truth about their power.
  29. Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima April 2 2021 22: 32
    +2
    Oops you oops
  30. Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima April 2 2021 23: 08
    0
    Stand up, overcome your fear, stand up to your full height and reach the stars with your hand!
  31. VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK April 3 2021 04: 58
    +1
    Poland has never decided anything on the world political arena! Let it blather on!
  32. Russobel
    Russobel April 3 2021 11: 42
    0
    Quote: Bearded
    I like the name Kujawiak for a Polish frigate because it reveals its military value.

    With an X at the beginning ...