"God does not scold ..." On the topic of persecution of Orthodoxy

Do not be deceived: God will not be mocked. What a man sows, he will reap.
(Gal.6: 7)

Evil no longer puts on masks, hiding behind the traditional "universal" screen. It acts openly, bitterly and arrogantly, aiming at the very heart of Russian civilization — the Orthodox Faith and the Holy Church, the only thing on which Russia and the Russian world stand. Perhaps there was no more powerful wave of persecution of the church since the Bolshevik obscurantism, when crosses were thrown from the bell towers, icons were burned and churches exploded. Now the evil has shifted to a new offensive. A series of monstrous acts of vandalism against Orthodoxy swept across Russia. Reports of new anti-Christian crimes come with frightening regularity. Reprimand of icons, cutting down of crosses, satanic dances in the main temple of Russia - all this, unfortunately, happens to our country, in reality, during our time and our fellow citizens. At the same time, such acts cause an overwhelming condemnation of the overwhelming majority of citizens, regardless of whether they consider themselves to be believers or simply live, as they say, according to their conscience. The filth and chilliness of these acts is obvious to the absolute majority. However, there is a minority, corrupted by the wicked abomination of anti-Christian ideas, driven by the enemy of the human race, who does not stop at nothing. These are ideological descendants of those who trashed temples in 20-s of the last century, betrayed and shot the family of Emperor Nicholas II, destroyed Russia, etching the spiritual and moral foundations of Orthodoxy from the people’s consciousness, replacing them with ideological chimeras contrary to traditional Russian self-consciousness. And then, and now, a relatively small group of people, supported by various “fighters against the regime” who gladly side with the distracted persecutors of faith, are consciously acting against Russia and its church. The obscurantists of the whole world, among whom there are celebrities, rebelled against Russian Orthodoxy. The anti-Christian information campaign has been fully launched and is actively supported by the relevant media all over the planet.

The scale of what is happening is very serious. In the conditions of severe information pressure exerted on the Russian society that has barely begun its return to the holy traditions of Orthodoxy, it is necessary to consolidate all healthy forces that can influence public opinion, having developed in it an unconditioned reflexal rejection of the ugliness being created. Acts of vandalism, aimed at desecrating the feelings of believers and undermining the spiritual foundations of the existence of Russian society, should be interpreted by law unequivocally as a crime, punishment for which is not only inevitable, but also severely.

In the face of the persecutors and through the ugliness they perpetrated by Russia, another challenge was thrown. By creating atrocities, their organizers carefully observe the direction of public discussion and deviations from normal for any morally healthy person to such incidents of reaction, presenting them as "evidence" of the seriousness of the split in society and a high level of hostility towards the ROC. The recent anti-Orthodox acts are test balloons thrown into the information space with the aim of violating the spiritual will and civilization choice of the majority of citizens of the country, with the aim of undermining the authority of the latter, but therefore not less powerful bastion of the Russian civilization - the Russian Orthodox Church. That is why the public reaction to what is happening should be as unambiguous and timely as possible. It should be noted that the struggle for the Faith of Christ, like the struggle for traditional civic morality, does not accept violence, it must take place strictly within the law and take place where the main threat to the moral health of society comes from - in the information space, the space of ideas and opinions.

Comments

[andrei332809]

the West has always wanted to bring Russian Orthodoxy into a union. Thank God, the ancestors defended their faith, otherwise we would have long ago turned into a number of small principalities, where all sorts of Karls, Franks and Harry would rule. but for some reason the Vatican and with it the whole west will not leave the thought of subjugating us

[esaul]

Quote: andrei332809

The West always wanted to bring Russian Orthodoxy into a union. Thank God, the ancestors defended their faith,

Greetings, Andrew. A plus. The Orthodox faith has always been a cementing component of Russian statehood, and, in many ways, thanks to it, Russia has passed through all the centuries-old storms with dignity.
Now the Orthodox faith is subjected to no less vile, unbridled and dirty slander than in the Middle Ages.
The conversation about some church functionaries is a separate conversation, but the Orthodox faith for many remains an anchor. allowing them to stand in life.
I am outraged by the transformation of many "creatives" of the white tape, who already in Orthodoxy begin with their verbal D.E.R.M.O.M. rush, forgetting how the years of the beginning of perestroika were shouting at concerts and rallies about their love for the Motherland and the Orthodox faith, and now they are foaming at the mouth and demanding the release of Pusek foul.

[andrei332809]

esaulu
Hello. Church functionaries do not do much harm, but they can bring benefits. Let them earn money. If you need it, everything will be in the common piggy bank. So to say, the reserve for a rainy day for the country.
I wrote to the knowledgeable one on this topic below.
Yours faithfully, etc.

[starshina78]

What the "church functionaries" earn, as you called, will never be in the common piggy bank for a rainy day of the state. I will be here alone in my comments, but I will write what I want to say. I am a believer, I go to church (even if not as often as I would like), from a believing family (my great-grandfather and grandfather were priests), but what is going on in my church is not necessary! I was Patriarch Alexy II. A wonderful man, respected, and most importantly, there was not a single scandal with the church and the priests with him. What now ? I do not in any way want to say that Kirill is a bad Patriarch, but see for yourself: scandals associated with the Patriarch (a clock, an apartment in a house on the embankment, a dacha of the Patriarch in the Krasnodar Territory), road accidents arranged by priests on expensive cars, calls, openly calling names and names of the party, to vote, turning the church into a commercial stall (even memorial notes). Is this not true and slander against the Church and the Patriarch? The wrong behavior of the church in the scandal with the Pussics. And most importantly, and the current fuss with attacks and other husks around the church - isn't it someone's order? It is a good thing to catch up with the atmosphere, and then make squads out of the most reactionary environment, tighten the screws, arrange "stick discipline" in the country, and all this under the banner of a struggle for the church. Maybe so?

[Oleg1986]

Well, mishandled Cossacks are always and everywhere enough. To me, Patriarch Alexy 2, as if distant from our worldly world, is also, so to speak, closer. But even in his time there were troubles. But they happened just the same in the spiritual realm more. Perhaps then the struggle was fought more precisely on that front. Now everything has shifted to the social part of life.
As for the stall, in our time there are no candle factories at the churches, and absolutely secular managers in the same Sofrino (where for some reason they install the inflatable Santa Claus for Christmas) are screaming for their products. How then do you want to turn out?

Of course, I completely agree with the title of the note. However, this cannot be changed so much that we ourselves must somehow fiercely hate these unfortunate people and rejoice a la Clinton reprisals against them. By and large, even the death penalty will be a punishment not so much for a convicted person as a judge, because it deprives a person of a chance for correction.
You should always look first at yourself. Why is this obscurantism going on? On a healthy body, mold does not grow.

[vadimN]

There are no candle factories with churches ???

Ha ... I hope that RosBusinessConsulting is your authority?

http://top.rbc.ru/economics/25/07/2012/661562.shtml

You can find detailed calculations and proofs in the August issue of the RBC magazine.

[does it]

I believe in the Almighty, but I do not believe, do not believe and do not trust people who try to speak on his behalf. by the way, as soon as a scandalous article comes out in, the page on which it is located starts to slow down and fail, why would it !!!!!

[vadimN]

No one is doing more for the collapse of Orthodoxy in Russia than the ROC itself in its present form. I do not want to offend ordinary priests, but the churches are judged by the facts that become known, about those "ministers" who are in sight and heard. And they just get up to doing what denigrates the ROC.
The church has no right to make such mistakes! Has NOT! Otherwise, it is not a church, but ZAO ROC.

[Mervik]

There is no perfect person, and each employee is first and foremost a person. There is nothing perfect. So even in the sun there are spots! BUT!!! Now we are talking about Orthodoxy and the church, and not about people. And all sorts of juvenile sluts in masks go precisely against Orthodoxy! And if anyone doesn’t like a thread, a church minister, let them express their discontent outside the shrines !!!

[Flooding]

Quote: starshina78

I am a believer, I go to church (albeit not as often as I would like), from a family believer (my great-grandfather and grandfather were clergymen), but what is happening in my church is not necessary

Let me doubt your words. An Orthodox who attends church, where liturgies always pray for the Patriarch and the entire church rank, would not add fuel to the fire, zealously inflated by non-Christians.

[gojesi]

Quote: andrei332809

Church functionaries do not do much harm, and can bring benefits

Oh, sooooo interesting! Can you develop? Only please in PM, not here.

[alexng]

Greetings to all Orthodox! Yes, what's going on right now is not clear what. But one thing I can say: God is one, and the providers divorced unintentionally and everyone knocks himself on the chest with his heel, that he is the most correct. And from myself I will say that the most militant faith is the Catholics. How many warriors have they unleashed and are untying now.

[Bashkaus]

Good comparison with the provider. How to evaluate his work? is there a connection or not, and if so, how fast and high-quality.
Let’s take the bright holiday Easter, the resurrection of Christ in which, for inexplicable reasons, a blessed fire has already descended once a year for 2000 years. You can talk a lot about the truth of this event, but my mother’s friend was in the temple and told me that before the blessed fire descends, the air becomes like after a thunderstorm, and lightning or strange discharges occur in the air above the dome and in the space of the temple. So, this is me to the fact that this miracle does not happen on Catholic, not on Protestant Easter (by the way there is still a big question, what are they actually protesting against?) Not on a Muslim or Buddhist holiday, but on Orthodox Easter. So which provider gives the connection? Or numerous miracles of saints, in Orthodoxy they are most of all.

[ward]

By the way, the wife brought candles scorched by the grace of fire ... life-giving ... put painful ... now I believe in miracles ... plus ..

[alexng]

I am also Orthodox - baptized, but I talked about providers of the new ones, because only in Christianity there are about 32 of thousands of movements and all kinds of formations.

[matukha]

That is why we must adhere to the truth of Orthodoxy. All the frenzied hype on occasions that are not worth a damn, only indicates that Western puppeteers were worried that the Church was increasingly influencing the life of Russia. Everything started stirring according to the standard scheme, as it was with the Soviet regime. At first they accuse one person of not understanding what. Then they throw in the slogan that if one is the same, then all are the same, so the organization itself is tarnished. The scheme is as old as the world. Why, then, we won’t learn anything. This is OUR Church. For her ideals, millions of holy martyrs shed blood. But we do not sell our Church for snuff. Because, they say, someone raised a slander to the Patriarch, accusing him of incomprehensibly what. And here the lie, disseminated by the tabloid media, moves to the masses. And if you take into account that the media are already brainwashed, then the lie falls on fertile soil and has grown over with hatred for the Russian Orthodox Church, and therefore for all who consider themselves to be the Orthodox Church. The organizers of this hope that when the critical mass of haters reaches the desired size, the Church will be swept away from the face of the earth by crowds of atheists. But I remember that even the Bolsheviks signed their own powerlessness before the courage of believers from the Bishops to old women and children. God is the head of our Church. And the dregs that pour today on the Church personally bring me even closer to it. We have difficulties, there are also unworthy people, but their number is scanty. We will cope with God's help, with all the problems. And where will the God-haters be, if everyone doesn’t change their minds, I think.

[Gregazov]

Catholics - schismatics (broke away from the Ecumenical Church). Therefore, they have an inferiority complex and they need to lead everyone.

[Mervik]

And it is the Catholics who do not like the Orthodox. Since the time of Byzantium and Constantinople (Istanbul). see story

[Alexander Romanov]

AU, which of the moderators on the site right now, answer.

[esaul]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

AU, which of the moderators on the site right now, answer.

Yesaul has just entered. What can I serve?

[Alexander Romanov]

Valera Natsik Morani nickname, with the Polish flag.

[Nubia2]

Quote: andrei332809

ancestors defended their faith

defended? your faith?
you confuse something.
Orthodoxy is not our faith, but brought by fire and sword.
they failed to defend their faith.
and by the way, they were already a bunch of small principalities.
And they were just Orthodox at that moment

[Flooding]

Quote: Nubia2

defended? your faith?
you confuse something.
Orthodoxy is not our faith, but brought by fire and sword.

Nubia2, it is clear that your faith is pagan. And, for sure, you can tell a lot about it interesting. And how the great pagan Russia stretched from Germany to China. Pray to idols, no one forbids.
But do not speak carelessly about the faith of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers. And no matter how many hundreds and thousands you are, you are just a tiny fraction compared to the Russian Orthodox. Hence your toothless attacks, which is why you are ready to unite in the anti-Christian ecstasy even by the devil himself.

[Nubia2]

You don’t understand anything about my faith, simply because of the lack of information.
Itself is rather an atheist.
And I consider Christianity in general and Orthodoxy in particular (except for non-possessors) exclusively state. Institute for knocking out money and control over you ... compared to which we (following your text) are miserable.
And about the toothy attacks ..
Yes, 100 years you did not give up.
it’s just funny to look at you and your head, Gundyaev (especially when it comes to gifts and other property matters).
A huge mass of slaves who worship a bunch of hypocrites.

[Flooding]

Quote: Nubia2

It’s just ridiculous to look at you and your head, Gundyaev.
A huge mass of slaves who worship a bunch of hypocrites.

God's slaves worship the Lord. You worship your golden calf or the triumph of your mind over universal unreasonableness or something else. All that you write from unbelief. What kind of faith are you writing about?

Quote: Nubia2

You don’t understand anything about my faith, simply because of the lack of information. Itself is rather an atheist.

What do you know about my faith? I think very little. Nevertheless, take the liberty to judge.
How many of you are of different colors. And everyone is trying to bite more painfully.

[Dovmont]

Yes, we are Orthodox, slaves ..... of God! And we worship not a bunch of hypocrites, but God! Where the money of believers goes, I do not know, I hope that for charitable deeds. Most often we donate to the specific needs of the Church. And whether these sacrifices went there or not, the hierarchs will keep the answer before the Lord. I have no doubt that everyone, both believers and unbelievers, will be the foremost ones to answer. And each for his sins.

[volcano]

The church must be protected.
Whether you believe it or not.
It is truly a symbol of the state.
Therefore, to protect atheists, I propose precisely as a symbol.
There is war and blackening.
For example, I can not imagine Russia without the Russian Orthodox Church.
Apparently, the organizers of this persecution also think so.

[Armata]

Quote: volkan

It is truly a symbol of the state.

Andrew welcome. Here I do not agree with you. Symbols of the state are a flag, anthem and coat of arms. But in Russia there are many faiths and it is impossible to say that the Orthodox faith is fundamental. Why deprive Russian Muslims and other faiths in our homeland.

[Kurdalagon]

Of course, one can also get used to the morning call of the muezzin to prayer, but nevertheless, the majority of the population, even the unbeliever, have the Orthodox cultural landscape closer and dearer.

[Armata]

I do not argue. But we have both Tatarstan and Bashkiria. And there everything is a little different.

[Alexander Romanov]

Hi Zhenya, why deprive. Orthodoxy is the foundation of our state and the main denomination. I think representatives of other faiths understand this.

Quote: Steam Train

Symbols of the state are a flag, anthem and coat of arms.

Here, here, I agree, it’s the symbols, and the basis of these symbols is ORTHODOXY. You can think differently, you can argue, BUT this is so. Amers also have symbols, but who did they turn down faith in?

[Armata]

Hi Sanya. Where do you see a hint of Orthodoxy in the double-headed eagle? Except as on a sovereign cross, and that one is not Orthodox. The tricolor is also not even a hint. We only have a pro-Orthodox church on a thousandth bill.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Steam Train

Where do you see a hint of Orthodoxy in the double-headed eagle?

Eugene, you can make or remove the eagle and the three-headed one, but Orthodoxy will remain, no matter what our flag is. Over the centuries of flags and other symbols of the state, much has changed, but Orthodoxy has remained.

[Armata]

Maybe you're right. But I do not go to church. My god is my conscience, and I do not care what to call him, while conscience does not torment me, it means God is with me. And the church personally lost my respect, it became corrupt.

[shasherin_pavel]

To the locomotive: "my god (in fact, when the god is with a small letter, then this is a pagan god) my conscience ..." Conscience is a bad god, since some people do not have it at all.
"And the church" if it has lost your respect, then this can be said about any organization. But only religious illiteracy is just getting out of you. The Church has the meaning - "Community", and if you mean the building, then it is "Temple". So what fell so in your eyes? A temple, a community or a parish, or an Orthodox denomination that failed to resist the "Younger Creatures".

[Armata]

Quote: shasherin.pavel

Conscience is a bad god, as for some it is completely absent.

Everything is simple. So they have no god.

Quote: shasherin.pavel

Church matters - "Community",

So we have a lot of communities in our country? Or are we still a single people? And in general, are we so familiar that you can communicate ?.

[shasherin_pavel]

When in Russia they went to the enemy, "I want to go to you" threatened.
The Russians were leading not a brother, but an enemy to "you" to the barrier.

[vadimN]

Quote: shasherin.pavel

in fact, when a god with a small letter, it’s a pagan god)

You, dear, know little about paganism ... By the way, the original Russian Vedism (as one of the directions of paganism) is a very more optimistic and luminous religion than Christianity.

[shasherin_pavel]

Vadim N: Whatever faith is, and no matter how it shines,
since the faith of idols is full,
she leads away from our God - Christ.
I will not refuse that the imposition of the Lord's Covenants
to our ancient position, gave the special Light of Christ.

First answer me: Why is the Virgin Mary in Russia, something more revered than Jesus Christ? Then I will find out what you know about witchcraft.

[Flooding]

Quote: vadimN

By the way, the original Russian Vedism (as one of the directions of paganism) is a very more optimistic and luminous religion than Christianity.

That's your opus about Orthodoxy and radiate optimism and friendliness.

[Malyavka]

Here, you, the military site, read and understand where the opinion is and where is unnecessary propaganda. Now, if an Orthodox site were read, they would also understand where and what. Many people have the opinion that the church is corrupt, but how did this "public" opinion come about? Everything is the same as here. Special people work, spread false rumors.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Malyavka

Special people work, spread false rumors

I assure you that I do not have a goal of distributing something, for what, then!
In my hometown, about 7-8 years ago I was familiar with the priests of the Russian Orthodox Church!
If I tell you what they did before my eyes, your hair will stand on end!
On the other hand, I understand that it’s just stuck to the faith and among Muslim clergy there are such!

[Uncle]

Quote: Yarbay

If I tell you what they did before my eyes, your hair will stand on end!

And I know the exact opposite, I know, the church helps cripples, the sick, after prisons, and just those who are hard. I know people donating millions to the Temple, and it is being restored. And the abbot does not fatten, but wears a washed-out cassock and tarpaulin boots. and this is at 74 years old !!!

[Alexei]

The church is not corrupt, some of its ministers are corrupt. And what do you want, the church is the work of men.

[Uncle]

Quote: Alexej

And what do you want, the church is the work of men.

Church and priesthood are divine. This is not a government organization or a hobby club. The Holy Spirit dwells there.

[Dovmont]

Those who do not want to go to church will find many excuses not to go. Among the Russians there are many baptized, but much less believers. Living in a world of temptations and outright devilry according to Christian canons is very difficult. One must limit oneself not only in lusts, but even in food, to keep oneself within moral boundaries. How many baptized ones bother with the morning prayer rule (15 minutes) and evening prayer (20 minutes)? AND? The same thing. It’s easier to say that the church is corrupt or the patriarch is not the same.

[Uncle]

Quote: Steam Train

But I do not go to church. My god is my conscience, and I do not care what to call him, while conscience does not torment me, it means God is with me. And the church personally lost my respect, it became corrupt.

One priest said well that it was time to stop living according to conscience and start living the gospel. In the sense that our conscience is imperfect, to say the least. In addition, we often do not listen to her, we find excuses.

[Flooding]

Your god did not create this world, and if something in it changes, then on such a small scale that you should not be offended if no one notices.

Quote: Steam Train

My god my conscience

The most reliable credo of a person who does not have God in his soul. With this putty you can cover up any holes in the eyes of an unbeliever (a little unbeliever, but also a militant unbeliever).

[volcano]

Hello Eugene.
I meant a spiritual symbol.
As for other religions, I absolutely agree with you.
Just something is not heard about the abuse of mosques and the persecution of Islam.
And if we take into account the fact that in Russia there are Russians who are naturally Orthodox, then we could say that the main one.
Although of course you do not need to put it above the rest.
But I repeat that mosques are not touched, either because they are afraid (Muslims are hot guys in matters of faith), or because there is no such task.
And again touch the Muslims, not only the Russian "Muslim regions" will rise, but the entire Muslim world.
And there is almost no one to defend Orthodoxy except Russians. Serbs and Greeks, but who else ... Bulgarians.
So it’s precisely we who need to make it clear to all the idiots that you will touch Orthodoxy (and this is just like the faith of our ancestors), we will tear off our hands.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: volkan

Just something is not heard about the abuse of mosques and the persecution of Islam.

Rather, support for Islam and the most radical from the West.

Quote: volkan

So it’s precisely we who need to make it clear to all the idiots that you will touch Orthodoxy (and this is just like the faith of our ancestors), we will tear off our hands.

Andrei, that’s about how it should be, and especially it needs to be understood by journalists who flocked to a little fuss like flies on ..........

[Armata]

Andrey +. But mosques do not touch, not because there is no such task. we’re just used to respecting all the faiths that are with us in the world. Take the Buryats, they are generally Buddhists, if my memory serves me right, but we don’t touch them. And in general, recently the issue of religion has become political, which is why I have lost faith in the church, look at how many extremists are from the Orthodox faith, and priests support it.

[Yarbay]

Quote: volkan

Just something is not heard about the abuse of mosques and the persecution of Islam.

I think this is also politics!
Remember one time around the world, caricatures of a Muslim prophet went to print!
It was considered almost heroism!
Then the struggle with the minarets went !!
Then with the hijab!
Now in Orthodoxy, they are looking for something!
It seems to me rather, I am sure this struggle is not between religions, but between believers in God and unbelievers!
Just at the same time and different religions oppose !!

[Uncle]

Quote: Yarbay

Now in Orthodoxy, they are looking for something!

Something is quite clear, Brzezinski said that after communism, for us the main enemy is Orthodoxy. So our Church is in the sight of Americans and other evil spirits.

[Uncle]

Quote: volkan

But again, the mosques don’t touch,

By the fact that there is an Islamization of Russia. Type France and Germany.

[shasherin_pavel]

volkan: Islam is not poisoned in our country - it’s right, but in Europe ... and Muslims were blown up and shot right in mosques during prayer. The last explosion in the mosque has already occurred in Russia, Islamic preachers were killed, one was wounded. In Chechnya, an imam was killed several years ago. It's all past the ears - caricatures of Muhammad in print media, also past the ears.
We do not remember the Crusades. Then, by the way, Muslims acted more humanely than European "Christians". In the main mosque of Istanbul, Christian frescoes are still not stained, and Islam forbids depicting anything living.

[Ustas]

Quote: Steam Train

But in Russia there are many faiths and it is impossible to say that the Orthodox faith is fundamental. Why deprive Russian Muslims and other faiths in our homeland.

If we do not defend the proclamation in Russia, then we will not be able to defend the rest of the faith. And as a result, persecutions began in Russia not only against pro-Orthodox, but also against true Islam (terrorist attacks on the mufti of Tatarstan, explosions in a mosque in Dagestan, etc.). By and large, "crap-mongers" will try in every possible way to slander all those religious institutions that stand for the unity of Russia and are a cementing element between the peoples of Russia.

[Malyavka]

Everyone understands that the enemy just wants to sow discord between different faiths.

[Uncle]

Quote: Malyavka

wants to sow discord between different faiths

Christianity and Islam are not different denominations. If a religious war breaks out, there will be no reconciliation, only after death. The enemies of Russia and the Islamic world are counting on this. God forbid, kill people only because they are of a different faith.

[shasherin_pavel]

Steam locomotive. In Russia, there is only one faith in the Lord - our God and the Son of the Living God Jesus Christ. If you mean pagans who give themselves up to idols, I am talking not only about small nations, but about many of today's youth who create idols for themselves on stage or in the cinema. This is also idolatry. It is not at all necessary to create a "Bose" for yourself (you cannot write "God" in the plural, therefore I use a word from the Church Slavonic text of the Bible) by means of folk art from clay or paints, or to collect idols on "Green" bills. All other denominations - all of the same faith, as I wrote in the Lord - our One God and the Son of the Living God - Jesus Christ, but in different churches. It hurt me to look at what was happening in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, because these "young creatures" danced not only in the temple, but inside the monument "Victory in the Patriotic War" in honor of which it was built. In the Military Review there was already an article about the participation of the Lord's forces against the Napaleon invasion. It was the story of a French physician that when entering the territory of Russia, a third of Napoleon's army filled hospitals with dysentery. Even then, people understood the power that the Lord used to protect Russia, and paid tribute to this construction. And now ... This is not hooliganism, but vandalism over the monument and the abuse of faith by "Young creatures". It is a pity that their legs were not ripped out on the steps of the temple ...

[Armata]

Quote: shasherin.pavel

If you mean pagans who give themselves to idols, I’m talking not only about small nationalities, but about many, from modern youth, who create idols for themselves on the stage or in the cinema.

And that they are no longer human? And all just because they do not believe in Orthodox gods? I can not stand such prejudices. By the way, if you have noticed, I am not speaking against the Orthodox God, but I also don’t support the fact that this religion should be placed above all others. And in general, if you return to the issue of the Buryats. What is it you or the synod determined that they are pagans? or what if they do not believe in your god, are they not worthy to live? And in general, I repeat I DO NOT GO TO THE CHURCH, BECAUSE THE CHURCH NOW BECOMES A BUSINESS COMMERCIAL, NOT A SPIRITUAL. And I do not impose my point of view on anyone. If you want, then go to the temple, buy candles, but who said that God wants this?

[Uncle]

Quote: Steam Train

I DO NOT GO TO THE CHURCH BECAUSE THE CHURCH NOW BECOMES A BUSINESS COMMERCIAL, NOT A SPIRITUAL.

You can go to the Temple and not buy anything, just stand at the liturgy. During the service of worshipers, God's grace descends, it becomes easier on the soul, I know for sure. And in relation to commerce, but the Temple has to be paid for electricity, heating, and some repairs are needed. Yes, and priests with deacons should eat something. Sorry, I do not want to offend you, but for a pack of cigarettes or beer, many do not spare money, and consider the same amount to be left in the Temple as wasteful.

[shasherin_pavel]

Steam locomotive; God said that He wants Him to be incensed with incense and burnt offerings. But in contrast to our orders, God in the Old Testament, in simple terms, ordered to offer fatty burnt offerings, that is, khorestirin, I meat cleaned of fat, to cook and eat, giving tithes to the priests. And after eating, thank God, and not fasting. And at the expense of the Buryats: I know that the supreme "God" (note with a capital letter, now you will understand why) of the Buryats, translated into Russian sounds like "Oh! Great infinity", you can understand that they understood about the Almighty from the very beginning, more than European Christians, who paint God sitting on the clouds, but here are their idols ... And as for the commercialism of the church: revise "Andrei Rublev". The government of the church must be commercial, otherwise bankruptcy, the Saints are the Light of Christianity. And more ... be weasel ... do not write the word God in the plural - this is paganism in you or religious illiteracy. There are no "gods" in Orthodoxy.

[Flooding]

Quote: Steam Train

And that they are no longer human?

In terms of biological? Of course, people. They have all the signs of a reasonable person. Even, moreover, the signs of an unreasonable person are also evident.
Locomotive, it seems you do not care about your soul. Perhaps you think that man is flesh and corruption and no more? Then why write on every corner about why you don’t go to church? If the truth can be quite different.

[klavyr]

Locomotive,
And that they are no longer human? And all just because they do not believe in Orthodox gods? I can not stand such prejudices.

Steam engine, if a person does not believe in anything, then this does not give him any right to desecrate other people's shrines. It is necessary to have at least a little respect for the people around, and if there is no this respect, then the person incurs the anger of the humiliated and offended - this must be understood. In general, you must first think, and then do it.

[vadimN]

Russia is a secular power. In addition, there are a huge number of religions in Russia, and it would be extremely wrong and dangerous to bring one of them to the leading role. This is a direct path to interfaith conflicts on a nationwide scale. This is exactly what all sorts of white coilers and others like them achieve ...

[Flooding]

Quote: Steam Train

But in Russia there are many faiths and it is impossible to say that the Orthodox faith is the main

Steam engine, you already wrote about your attitude to the church and Orthodoxy. But this is a subjective point of view.
But the fact is that without Orthodoxy there would be no Russia.
With all due respect to Muslims. There would be caliphates, emirates, etc.
It is safe to say that Orthodoxy is the main and main religion for the Russian state. Or, according to your information, was this country united and strengthened by someone else?
Put aside tolerance and all sorts of akivoki, let's face it.

[FiremanRS]

That's right !!!!! This is our way! I don’t believe it myself and I think it’s all brainwashing. But! This is just my personal opinion, and if a person believes then this is his right. The main thing is not to impose any opinion, not to hinder freedom of choice. Nevertheless, officially in Russia, the "ruling" faith is Orthodoxy, whatever one may say. And I will not allow anyone to insult anyone, which is what I wish for you.

[apro]

A person serving the Faith of God cannot live in luxury and honor, that’s the reason for the loss of trust and influence of the church in Russia. I somehow looked at a bunch of people with big crosses on maybach and bentles and what they can tell me believe we will show you how faith must suffer. Faith is to sit down and there is God and there are people who suffer for us and they are also persecuted like Jesus Christ at the dawn of Christianity. A man is weak and material problems oppress him without Faith.

[FiremanRS]

The worldly affairs of the church are not the cause of the bacchanal in the temple. This is an insult not to the patriarchs, but to the faith itself and believers. The way priests live richly is the subject of a completely different conversation.

[Knowing]

I'm a little annoyed that the patriarch
drives an expensive foreign car and the cross on his head bends down,
to crawl into the car and the hat did not fall.
but Orthodoxy itself, of course, cannot be attributed to this.

[andrei332809]

the princes of the church always lived in Roshkosh. This is normal. A high state post requires appropriate surroundings. People have always been proud not only of the spiritual wealth of the church, but also of its worldly goods. and many rulers, if necessary, used church wealth for the needs of the state

[Uncle]

Quote: andrei332809

high public office requires appropriate surroundings

Right! The position of the Patriarch is bureaucratic, he communicates with worldly people who judge a person by the clock and car. If he arrives on the Volga with a commander’s watch, no one will talk to him.

[esaul]

Quote: Knowing

I'm a little annoyed that the patriarch
drives an expensive foreign car

Yes, it annoys many, colleague. No less straining is the quite "worldly" amusements of some clergymen and the ardent desire of the official church to ignore these "innocent pranks". But, you are right - here it is necessary to separate several concepts ...

[andrei332809]

it’s better to let them have fun like that, and not like Catholics with boys or with relatives.

[Karabin]

Quote: andrei332809

it’s better to have fun like this, and not like Catholics with boys

Appetite grows with food, maybe it’s up to the boys.

[Malyavka]

Sin to condemn the ministers of the Temple, the evil one seduces them in a way that no one else dreamed of. Because why is the evil one a sinner? He is already on the right path (to hell). But the ministers .... Therefore, do not judge that which you do not know. It’s better to discuss military affairs.

[Captain Vrungel]

Who defiles churches and creates negativity to Orthodoxy? First of all, priests, not clergy, not clergy, but the venal priestly mafia that seized temples and churches. Someone who closes the church on a day sacred to the Orthodox for a baptismal ceremony for a money bag with comrades wearing a bale and a turban. Who kisses the pen of a crime boss for a handout.
Revive Orthodoxy? It was, is and will be. No force can destroy. There is a split-threat. To prevent this, it is necessary, first of all, to cleanse the church of priests - "businessmen" who, by their activities, slander the church. Their activity is directed not at serving and bringing parishioners closer to the Almighty, but at squabbling and striving to squeeze out as much as possible for themselves. Selling the word is their business. Therefore, churches, churches, chapels are growing. like gas stations. First of all, not for the people, but for their own benefit.
A person without faith is an animal and a true believer must be led by faith in soul and body, head and heart by a priest. While the main backbone of the priests is "two-faced Janus".

[volcano]

Captain Vrungel.
Everything that you say takes place.
But there is a substitution.
And here is what car drives and what watch the patriarch wears.
Are we talking about clergymen?
Have the very same guns committed their bestiality out of anger at the patriarchal limousine?
No colleague. All spitting and bullying go exactly to the ORTHODOX FAITH.
And not on her servants.
There is nothing to hide here .... could have been more modest.
Only now, I doubt that the Russian has the Orthodox faith in his heart .... solely because the patriarch has good eyes.
HE WEARS IT BECAUSE IT WEARS .... HERE AND ALL ....
PATRIARCHES AND PRIEST COMES AND GO ........ A FAITH STAYS.

[Captain Vrungel]

SW volkan! You confused me with someone. See the posts above. I write that Orthodoxy was, is and will be, and no power will destroy.
And the priests (please do not confuse with the clergy, these are two big differences), as you say, come and go. Yesterday he wore a party card, today he is wearing a cross. Yesterday he knocked at the KGB; today he serves the FSB. Nothing worldly is alien to them.

[volcano]

Captain Vrungel
So I’m not saying reproach to you, but supplementing it.
The main thing is not to confuse FAITH and its ministers ..... not always decent

[UAZ Patriot]

POP shepherd Orthodox sheep, so do not cling to this word. Judge not lest ye be judged. All people are sinful. And Brother I have POP and drives a VolkswagenWagen Passat 5 new and what ??? Do you know how much he needs to plow? Do you know how many relationships with businessmen it takes to build your parish? So that you get bricks and cement, etc. And he himself produces and carries himself and builds himself! This is in the Donbas, I think in Russia in approximately the same way.

[amikan]

Believe me, there are minuscule priests. And sticking out their exploits (and not giving praise to the majority of ascetic priests) is to be on the other side of the barricade. Like, if not for them, then I would believe. and millions in the temple are fools who do not understand and do not notice. And I alone know best. And churches grow from the needs of the people. not from someone’s desires.
I myself consider myself Orthodox since 998 and I am glad that I came to the Lord through the help of our Russian Orthodox Saints

[Flooding]

Quote: Captain Vrungel

Who defiles churches and creates negativity to Orthodoxy? First of all, priests, not clergy, not clergy, but the venal priestly mafia that seized temples and churches. Someone who closes the church on a day sacred to the Orthodox for a baptismal ceremony for a money bag with comrades wearing a bale and a turban. Who kisses the pen of a crime boss for a handout.

WRUNGEL. For some reason, this negativity in the form of greedy priests cares most of all for people who do not attend the church and do not consider themselves Orthodox. It cares right up to the grinding of teeth.
Are you all so moral and pure? Let me doubt it. Then what gives you the right to judge others? Moreover, if these others, to the best of their miserable capabilities, pray to the Lord for the forgiveness of their sins.

[Svobodny]

In your opinion, should the Patriarch walk and in rags? And where are the caps ??

[grizzlir]

Most of these protests are not directed against the church. They are directed against priests. These priests are to blame for the fact that for them the church and God became a source of income. These priests violate the commandments and then I speak for myself. True servants of God, not priests, remained in provincial, village churches. There really was still faith in God. Remember the Orthodox saints who went into the forests and caves, lived there as hermits and prayed and compare them with the modern higher clergy.

[andrei332809]

grizzly
Vanka married Manka. as his wife became pregnant, he went to the city to the fair.
Pop came to Manka: well, your husband is so stupid, your child has hands, legs are not finished. and began to finish it in the evenings. Vanka came, Manka to him: oh you are a bum, even a child couldn’t do it normally, he helped a good pop. Well, Vanka didn’t have any reason to conflict with a priest. I’ll give it to the priest to refuse, it’s uncomfortable to go, she says, she’ll give it. Vanka came to the horse: mother, father said that you would give me in the square. .gummy blows on the square, the priest saw from the belfry and yells: you rye, you fool. IGO, IGO

[shasherin_pavel]

Most of these protests are directed ...
He wanted to take revenge on the guard at the cemetery and with a sledgehammer he blasted a hundred tombstones ...
They also protest against the priests. Well, and the fact that the priests live comfortably ... then this decree was given by the Lord in "Leviticus", they are freed from work for that, so that instead of you they are in prayers for you. And the fact that they are not poor only says that all is not lost for Russia, since the tithes from the people are enough for life and churches. And John the Forerunner and other prophets who lived separately from society are described in the Bible in the First Book of Kings. These are the two hypostases of the church - communities, prophets and hermits are saints, and government is the patriarchy. So it was and so it will be. And without the patriarchate there will be no Siraphim of Sorovsky, Sergius of Radonezh, and without the saints the temple is empty.
It’s like in an orchestra - the first violin, the second and the conductor.

[Uncle]

Quote: shasherin.pavel

He wanted to take revenge on the guard at the cemetery and with a sledgehammer he blasted a hundred tombstones ...

Great comparison.

Quote: shasherin.pavel

Well, the fact that priests live comfortably.

Not all, even in Moscow. Believe me, I know.

[Ross]

grizzlir,

.

Remember the Orthodox saints who went into forests and caves, lived there as hermits and prayed and compare them with the modern higher clergy.

The church is a commercial enterprise, with its income, budget and the ability to realize itself in the world. It is there that those citizens who want to make a career in it flock.
Those Christians who are looking for a connection with God choose exactly the path of solitude, the path of hermitism, forest monasteries, etc. That is, the path of personal modesty and discretion. Remember the wonderful film "The Island". This is not criticism, you just need to understand that personal Mercedes are not needed for sincere service, etc. And by the way, it doesn't matter what kind of religion a seeker professes. We can see many excellent examples of this around the world to prove it. Therefore, I want to see the truth not in beautiful rituals, but in the real actions of people, no matter what faith they adhere to.

[Pinochet000]

Quote: Ross

The church is a commercial enterprise, with its income, budget and the ability to realize itself in the world. It is there that those citizens who want to make a career in it flock.
Those Christians who are looking for a connection with God choose exactly the path of solitude, the path of hermitism, forest monasteries, etc. That is, the path of personal modesty and discretion. Remember the wonderful film "The Island". This is not criticism, you just need to understand that personal Mercedes are not needed for sincere service, etc. And by the way, it doesn't matter what kind of religion a seeker professes. We can see many excellent examples of this around the world to prove it. Therefore, I want to see the truth not in beautiful rituals, but in the real actions of people, no matter what faith they adhere to.

Well said, just to the point +

[Malyavka]

Nonsense. You are very far from the church.

[Uncle]

Malyavka, wanted to give you a plus, seeing that the enemy is not asleep and you are being minus. But the site administration does not order more advantages, or rather a robot. And what Ross said bullshit is for sure.

[shasherin_pavel]

Uncle and Little: You probably don’t pay for light and housing, taxes are also on the side. Don't spend money on clothes. Just imagine: you come to the temple ... of the 18th century ... and there the gates do not close, the hinges are rusted, there are spider webs on the icons, the domes let rain through like a sieve. You stand in a puddle in the middle of the temple, sigh, cross yourself and say, here it is, holiness, the priest does not even think about his cassock, and does not even mend a hole. Holy man, dirty hands in the hair of lice ... Holiness! He thinks only of God, even for himself there is no time. And best of all, the priest came from the machine and spent the entire pay on the church, so that the domes are golden, so that the roof does not leak, and sewed a cassock for himself, then why should he carry tithes to the church, he himself earns money at the machine. I am not an Orthodox priest, but I have an idea how much money is needed to keep the premises clean, and how much it takes for repairs. It is good that there are kind Russian people who, if not with money, then help with their hands in their profession. Studying the Bible, he wrote "The Revelation of the Biblical Texts", where he put the first chapters of Genesis on a scientific basis, translating the Church Slavonic text of the Bible. Now I am translating the Church Slavonic text into modern language. And I run our prayer room, I'm an excavator by trade.

[amikan]

The struggle without a true Faith will quickly turn into a showdown with someone specific (a group, dissidents, etc.). Russia has won all its glorious history under the banners of Orthodoxy and will always be so!

[amikan]

and now many monks are leaving and praying for us sinners. And the task of priests (for you priests) is to serve among the people. And the Orthodox hierarchs pray and live an ascetic life. It is necessary to see the main thing behind external tinsel. Give GOD many years to Patriarch Kirill, he does a lot, and he began to openly say that he is hindering the development of Russia, for which everyone attacked him. And it’s very unfortunate that people who call themselves parots are very near and they are easily caught by our pro-Western media

[Flooding]

Quote: grizzlir

Most of these protests are not directed against the church; they are directed against priests.

Yours is not true. This is just a "plausible" pretext. And who is using it? Pay attention to this.
But for what reason does the unbelievers care how much the Orthodox who visit the church put into the church piggy bank?

[maxiv1979]

Russia needed to adopt either Catholicism or Islam, in the future it will be so, rather Islam

Quote: esaul

thanks to her, Russia has passed with dignity through all the centuries-old storms.

in many ways, these storms were provoked by this faith)
and the priests quickly turn over, what else can they do, except to rattle about eternal life and the desire to eat 3 times a day? "I believe in God, but I don't need intermediaries between me and God" - it is well said. Did God want some to feed others who hide behind his name? I doubt it) Did God authorize these people to speak on his behalf, to forgive sins, to baptize our children, to accompany them with cries after death? I doubt it too. In general, the question is purely political, with what kind of world we will be, Catholic or Muslim, or maybe Orthodox, again we will tear our ass against the whole world, between those and those

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: maxiv1979

, in the future it will be so, rather Islam

And do not hope it will never happen. Betray your faith, even if you understand what you are talking about. If faith is empty for you, then do not litter your brains with others.

Quote: maxiv1979

does the god of these people speak on his behalf, forgive sins, baptize our children, escort cries after death?

The patriarch is the place of God on earth, and if you are a believer, then many of your words do not come close to the faith of which you speak.

Quote: maxiv1979

In general, the question is purely political, with which world we will be, Catholic or Muslim, or maybe Orthodox, we will again tear the ass against the whole world, between those and those

Russia has its own development path, and this has been shown by centuries of the state’s existence. Politics has changed, but the Orthodox faith does not and will not change.

[Odessa]

Alexander Romanov,

Patriarch, there is God's place on earth

God has no governors on earth, but there are clergy. These are Catholics, they designated the Pope as God's governor on earth, and blindly believe in the `` infallibility '' (pedophilia, homosexuality and debauchery) of popes and cordinals, and of the entire Catholic episcopate.
God cannot have a substitute on earth, this is one of the differences between Orthodoxy and the Catholic heresy.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Odessa

God has no governors on earth, but there are priests

Is it the Sun, and who, by the way, is the Patriarch of All Russia, is simply the head of the denomination?

[Odessa]

Alexander Romanov,

Is it the Sun, and who, by the way, is the Patriarch of All Russia, is simply the head of the denomination?

The sun, in fact, if, following the Orthodox canons, and carefully study the declaration of Metropolitan Sergius of Stargorodsky, then the last patriarch was Patriarch Tikhon!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Odessa

The last patriarch was Patriarch Tikhon

And the rest, who?

[Yarbay]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And the rest, who?

and I would like to know!

Quote: Odessa

carefully study the declaration of Metropolitan Sergius Stargorodskog

Are you implying that there is no autocracy, the anointing of God?

[Odessa]

Yarbay,

Are you implying that there is no autocracy, the anointing of God?

Speech about another, Holy Tsar Nikolai is still not glorified by the Russian Church in the guise of new martyrs, but is revered by believers as a locally revered saint.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Odessa

still not glorified by the Russian Church in the guise of new martyrs, but revered by believers as a locally revered saint

Sorry, of course, I’m not very good at this, could you explain the difference in more detail ??

[Kshatriy]

Quote: Odessa

Speech about another, Holy Tsar Nikolai is still not glorified by the Russian Church in the guise of new martyrs, but is revered by believers as a locally revered saint.

The canonization of the royal family is the glorification of Orthodox saints of the last Russian emperor Nicholas II, his wife and five children, who were shot in the basement of Ipatiev’s house in Yekaterinburg on the night of July 16-17, 1918.
In 1981, they were voted martyrs by the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad, and in 2000, after lengthy disputes that caused significant resonance in Russia, they were canonized by the Russian Orthodox Church, and are now revered by it as “Royal Martyrs”.

Esther-- God be with you ...... I don’t have an icon in the house ...... (somehow I don’t presume to interpret the Torah ....)

[Malyavka]

And don’t take it, but quotes from the Internet can copy everything.

[Kshatriy]

Quote: Malyavka

And don’t take it, but quotes from the Internet can copy everything.

This is not a quote from the Internet !!!! This is an official confirmation of the canonization of the Russian Orthodox Church in the Person of Her Patriarch ......... ooooo ooo how everything is neglected ooo .......

[Alexander Romanov]

No, well, what’s being written to me is asked, huh?

[shasherin_pavel]

Vfubay: Nicholas the Bloody, as those who lived with him called him, alas, do you regard your fathers as fools? handed over the throne to the Grand Duke, and he, seeing what the "Saint" had done, sent him along with the kingdom to his mother. Then there was a constituent assembly and they shot a citizen Nikolai Romanov, but not the tsar, who shot a popular demonstration in 1905. And one more thing: in 1915, five soldiers out of 500 came to the Easter service in the army ... For comparison, in 1914, 450 out of 500 appeared. so Nikolashka consecrated Russia.
I do not welcome the shooting of the family of citizen Nikolai Romanov, but do not consecrate Nikolai Palkin with the blood of the people. Did the Decembrists against the Tsar go out of joy for the happy Russian people? They do not make revolutions in joy, and the people of the gentlemen didn’t enrich the bayonets because of the grace that descended from the king and gentlemen.

[Odessa]

Alexander Romanov,

And the rest, who?

And after Patriarch Tikhon, a split occurred in the church, into the Red and White churches, as well as into the catacomb ones. And this was the case for many decades, until several years ago the churches reunited.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Odessa

and the Red and White churches, as well as the catacomb.

Something I have not heard about Belaya and the catacomb !!
White is foreign ?? and the catacomb ?? who led ??

[Uncle]

Do you mean Patriarch Tikhon Bellavin? And the red church, the one that remained on the territory of the Soviet Union, and the white Church Abroad?

[shasherin_pavel]

Odessa woman: well done, like a sniper, not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: shasherin.pavel

well done, like a sniper, not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.

But that's just not my dear.

[vadimN]

The Russians once betrayed their original faith and their gods, exchanging them for implanted Christianity ... If we talk about the fact that Russia will return to the original faith, certainly not to Islam or Catholicism.
Only to the NATIVE Gods of the Russian land - Rod, Veles, Perun, Dazhbog, Svarog ...

Do not rush to minus, dear. Primordial Russian Vedism is a much brighter and more optimistic, life-affirming religion than "suffering" Christianity. Read, think, compare ... There is a lot of information about this now.

[Trance]

maxiv1979, here is your Islam. If Orthodoxy falls, then moderate Muslims will abruptly become immoderate.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Trance

maxiv1979, here is your Islam

And after that, someone also puts pluses to this maxim of 1979. Here is your Islam in all its "glory"

[Yarbay]

Alexander, as I understand it, someone is being killed ??
So where is Islam ??
In Islam, the death and murder of one person is equated with the destruction of the universe!
Ready for peaceful discussion)))

[volcano]

Alibek is well said.
I have long noticed the similarity
RIGHT and Glorious.
We have much more similarities than is commonly believed.

And when I read RUBAI .... it’s a feeling that everything is written about me.

[Yarbay]

Quote: volkan

RIGHT and Glorious.
We have much more similarities than is commonly believed.

in principles, the pro-glorious are close to the Shiites in spirit, I would say !!
By understanding, I don’t know how to correctly express in words!
That’s the only thing I don’t understand in Christianity is the Trinity!
Many tried to explain to me, but apparently too witty!
I write without irony!

[volcano]

Alibek I'm certainly not strong in Paganism

but I know that there is an interesting coincidence in terms of the presence of the Trinity in Christianity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) and in Slavic paganism (Rule, Appear and Nav) ... how I do not know about this in Islam ....

[Uncle]

Quote: Yarbay

That’s the only thing I don’t understand in Christianity is the Trinity!

And the Trinity is not only a Christian symbol. Andrei Rublev's icon "The Holy Trinity" depicts a biblical moment of the pre-Christian era. It depicts God the Trinity while traveling to Sodom. Then God was told that there is a city in which people commit unnatural sins, he expressed a desire to see it with his own eyes. On the way, I stayed with Abraham. The essence of the trinity of deity is incomprehensible. Only if the Lord wants to reveal it to someone. There are many such things, for example, the Immaculate Conception, the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross, etc.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Uncle

Only if the Lord wants to reveal this to someone.

Thank you very much!
You really reassured me, in the sense of my suspicions, about your mental abilities!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Yarbay

So where is Islam ??

Hi Alibek, the fact that these pigs have nothing to do with Islam is understandable. I was indignant, look at the comment of max 1979, for a person to believe that he will die out. I have not seen such a cheap pen and Orthodoxy is to blame for the fact that everyone attacked us who is not lazy

[Yarbay]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Hi Alibek, the fact that these pigs have nothing to do with Islam is understandable. I was indignant, look at the comment of max 1979, for a person to believe that he will die out. I have not seen such a cheap pen and Orthodoxy is to blame for the fact that everyone attacked us who is not lazy

Alexander is another question!
I understand your opponent is unbeliever and he proceeded from the point of view of profitability!
But also a moot point, and I am convinced that nothing happens by chance in this world!
If God wanted Russia to be Christian, then it makes sense!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Yarbay

I understand your opponent is unbeliever and he proceeded from the point of view of profitability!

Alibek, well, you won’t change faith because of the benefits, it’s insanity, I would say more, but they will ban. One thing is not a believer, but read it, he writes that he believes in God. What kind of faith is this or I believe when it is beneficial in Islam , and the situation has changed, you can rush to the Catholics. I don’t know how to call his faith.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

read, he writes that he believes in God.

Alexander, you yourself answered how you can believe so, today for this, tomorrow for something else!
Sorry, but for me he’s an unbeliever !!
Or maybe he’s just not a Christian, but believes in God differently!
He did not write that he is a Christian!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Yarbay

He did not write that he is a Christian!

Even then I can’t imagine what kind of faith it is and what kind of God. Selling in changing the unit, somewhere I've heard that before.

[amikan]

The attackers attacked, but they got everything in the teeth and will get more.
But when all the neighbors of Israel (their faith is known and respected by me) attacked this small country in 1967 and were gouged for a week. This is about the modern fighting efficiency and the spirit of these countries

[bachast]

Don't need it here

[Odessa]

bachast,

Don't need it here

Why?
In Israel, if something like this had happened, this very active beast with a long knife and all this filth would have been put on the wanted list (photos are also printed from the video). And they would find it. You have to answer for everything. I would go for the article terrorism, and waited for the death penalty to be imposed for such nonhumans. There can be no humanity to them, blood for blood!

[bachast]

In this video, not only the execution, but also the shame of these contractors.

the most active beast with a long knife and all this filth

Arbi Dandaev - he was caught and two more participants in this

Yes, I forgot- Good day to you!

[Trance]

bachast, In this video, not only the execution, but also the shame of these contractors.


These were not contract soldiers, but guys of 19 years old, served in military unit 3642 Kalachevskaya brigade.

[bachast]

Yes Vshshniki, maybe I was mistaken with contract soldiers (army rumor at that time)
and what does it change? are you proud of this behavior?

[Trance]

bachast,

I'm proud !!! Only Kersky nit is not proud!
These vain filths were removed for intimidation, but in a normal person, in addition to a sense of contempt, he will no longer cause any feelings.

[bachast]

I can say one thing. They had a choice both before captivity and at the time. As the running kid did it.
To lie down under the knife like a sheep and watch how your friend is being cut, to endure humiliation is not my pride.
And for myself, I always had an efk and a cartridge and a knife ..
For you, such a death is pride .. your choice!

[Trance]

bachast, I can say one thing. They had a choice both before captivity and at the time. As the running kid did it.
To lie down under the knife like a sheep and watch how your friend is being cut, to endure humiliation is not my pride.
And for myself, I always had an efk and a cartridge and a knife ..
For you, such a death is pride .. your choice!

This, dear "hero," you tell or show your parents, not me, how to die in the first battle.

[bachast]

I had a conversation with you and I’m saying this to you. And then you transferred your opinion to your parents. Do you not like strong Russians in Poland? I understood this. I also understood this in your words as an annotation to the video

here is your islam

you so unobtrusively let these Chechens down, who are essentially weaklings, nonhumans, criminals, brought them to talk about Islam. But now you are respected, if you are a "hero" tell this to any Muslim. On the street you will see a Chechen, you approached him and so it is, at ease, as here: -Look dzhigit, this is your Islam!
-Then you can talk, discuss the results of your conversations with these Muslims and listen to the opinions of you parents, these dzhigits

[Trance]

bachast,

I talked with the good Chechen Magomed, in the north of our vast country. He and his brother (I don’t remember the name of his younger brother), athletes, did namaz daily, according to the schedule, in general, exemplary Muslims. The conversation was impartial, if I had dusted, then most likely I had disappeared and had no contact with you now. I asked him on this case in the video, and he asked me about the lawlessness in his homeland in relation to the civilian population, etc., as a result of the conversations came to a standstill (we talked many times).
But, the Maga turned this expression "We will win when electricity and other current manifestations of civilization will not come."

This is the answer to bachastif you are a "hero" tell it to any Muslim.

bachast-Then you can talk, discuss the results of your conversations with these Muslims and listen to the opinions of you parents, these dzhigits

Isaac, on the Internet, among the news, there is information about how a Chechen boy beat and mocked his schoolchildren. And his mother said, do not touch my boy, he is good (although in principle every mother will scratch out her eyes for her child). Only this boy had this video in his collection of videos, and who is the "hero" for him, I think there is no need to clarify.

Did I answer your question?

[Yarbay]

Quote: Trance

This, dear "hero," you tell or show your parents, not me, how to die in the first battle.

If I show you documentary evidence about Christian atrocities, what will you do ??

[Malyavka]

in this case, the word -Christian- is put in quotation marks, because the words: Christianity and atrocities cannot stand nearby.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Malyavka

in this case, the word -Christian- is put in quotation marks, because the words: Christianity and atrocities cannot stand nearby

I understand that, but no one quotes when he writes about Islam, and I, as a Muslim, am sure that Islam cannot stand next to the word atrocities, terrorism !!
I ask you not to be offended, it’s such a rumor))
I can’t fix it anymore, I will definitely do it next time !!

[Trance]

Alibek, hello. Be so kind as to show documentary evidence about the atrocities of Orthodox Christians. I am sincerely interested, since Orthodoxy is based on tolerance.

[Uncle]

Quote: Trance

since Orthodoxy is based on tolerance.

At the expense of tolerance, this is a house of tolerance. Patience, and internal. You will be hit on the left cheek, then you know, so the patience of what the Lord is doing to us. Who are we against him? It remains only to endure.

[Armata]

Hear a trance. If you are a patriot then why do you change the flags for each koment? Either you are not Russian or you are a traitor.

[Trance]

Locomotive, Hear trance.

Dear "Marshal", I didn’t drink with you, what would you poke at me, and even more so you say "hear".

Locomotive, If you are a patriot then why do you change the flags for each koment?

Ask this question to the browser manufacturer, I am far from the intricacies of the Internet.

LocomotiveOr you are not Russian or you are a traitor.

Dear, Rousseu is unbelievable. But about the traitor can be more detailed ???

[Armata]

Trance I apologize. He got a little excited on the video. It is clearly superfluous here.

[Trance]

Locomotive, Got a little excited on the video. It is clearly superfluous here.

Eugene, good afternoon. It may be superfluous, but this is not worth forgetting. I am not a conflict person, just the reaction to the maxiv1979 statement worked.

[Yarbay]

Quote: bachast

I can say one thing. They had a choice both before captivity and at the time. As the running kid did it.
To lie down under the knife like a sheep and watch how your friend is being cut, to endure humiliation is not my pride.
And for myself, I always had an efk and a cartridge and a knife ..
For you, such a death is pride .. your choice!

I understood what it was about!
What I will write next is not for you of course!
Dear friends, comrades, let's decide if I commit a crime with the name of Christ. Will you consider me a Christian ??

Quote: bachast

And for myself, I always had an efk and a cartridge and a knife.

And after one conversation with a famous clergyman I was forced to abandon the grenade and the last bullet, but there was a man who promised if that did not leave me))))))))))))))

[bachast]

For me, Alibek is worse than dying as in the video

[Yarbay]

Isaac!
I understand you, but I assure you this is a difficult question !!

[bachast]

I assure you this is a difficult question

I didn’t die, I don’t know. At least I thought of this question for myself in this way.

[Yarbay]

And what about the video, in a nutshell can you tell me ??
We have limitations and I don’t see at work!

[bachast]

1999 Dagestan. Russian soldiers and officer surrendered, they were beheaded.

[Yarbay]

Isaac, I already understood !!
I do not know!

Here you are talking about the last bullet and all that!
I know very brave people whose choice between life and death forced to break!
Here you can do that action yesterday, do it today, and tomorrow flinch!
There are very rare people, I call them ideal, who have super nerves!
After all, any athlete is worried before the fight, but at the right moment he is gathering his nerves in a fist !! But this requires a lot of training!
I believe that the murder of these people by atrocities committed by non-humans has no religious connotation !!
Since in Islam and in the hadiths of the prophet there are direct instructions on how to behave with prisoners !!
If anyone is interested, I can write!
And what these pigs were doing has nothing to do with it!

[tan0472]

Quote: Yarbay

I believe that the murder of these people by atrocities committed by non-humans has no religious connotation !!

Alibek, in your opinion, since this is not a human being, then they deserve to be introduced to a pig’s pig member in the anus (your words these pigs ), and then putting them in their mouth their members killed them? (I write choosing words, as my emotional comments banyat)

[Yarbay]

Quote: tan0472

Alibek, in your opinion, since this is not a human being, do they deserve to be injected with a pig member of a pig in the anus (your words are these pigs), and then put into their mouth their members killed them? (I write choosing words, as my emotional comments banyat)

I know a Muslim and the Almighty even in revenge forbids crossing the line!
That is, I understand you, but if they would ask me for advice, I would say that in the same way to kill them!
One of the revered people in Islam was Ali Ibn Abu Talib, the son-in-law and cousin of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), this man was a learned and very strong warrior! The Prophet said about him that if I am the door to the knowledge of Islam, then Ali is a pen from these doors!
So when there was a complete assassination attempt on Ali and he was mortally wounded in the head, he lived for another three days, they immediately wanted to tear the killer to pieces, but he did not let him do it!
Ali ordered his sons, while I am alive, feed him and drink the same thing as me!
In the event of my death, let one of you kill him with one blow, but don’t dare to exaggerate and mock the corpse, that is, cut off your head, ears, etc. And even if he does not die from that blow, let him go!
This is Islam!
as I understand it!
What you described, I can’t accept, because I know that it’s at the Almighty’s place that they will have a lot harder than you described!

[tan0472]

I hoped that after this (as I described) there would be no need to get them to the highest. Do not see them neither peri nor hollow pearls.

[Yarbay]

Quote: tan0472

I hoped that after this (as I described) there would be no need to get them to the highest.

Why not !?
Everyone will come to Him for judgment!
It does not depend on our desire!

Quote: tan0472

Do not see them neither peri nor hollow pearls.

I think so too !! It will be very difficult for killers, for them there are many punishments!

[bachast]

Yes, Alibek agrees. It’s possible to kill a person not only by fear of death. (I’ll say more, I passed life exams that I don’t want to remember) And that’s why I would try to prevent such a fate. And would you really go to such a slaughter?

[Yarbay]

Isaac!
Believe me too !!
I confess to you that I would probably be smashed, but someone or something took pity on me!
Why I say probably because this happened to a man whom I would never have believed what could have happened!
I don’t know, I asked famous Muslim scholars whether a Muslim can lay hands on himself if he knows that he will be captured and tortured !?
Everyone answered no, if he believes in God, then he must understand that this is a test, but they added that if someone does it, maybe the Almighty will forgive him for being Gracious and Merciful!
But I was questioned by the word maybe, and I forgot about such a prospect!
It’s the same as euthanasia for a painful disease!
I think so!
For anyone, I am a believer and do not want to blush before God!
Probably he would go to slaughter, but he would resist to the last, in the sense he would run !!

[mar.tira]

Quote: bachast

surrendered

And this was the result of the work of the Kovalevs, Novodvorsky, and Alekseevs. The guys give up !!! They are in their own land !!!! You are invaders !!! They will have mercy and let you go home !!! The traitors sat at the very top, and the spirit of internationalism and fraternity not in religion but in ideology still hovered in the souls of ordinary people. Now, you’re talking to a Caucasian, keep your fist clenched. And then people were a little different. For that they paid with their blood!

[alexng]

I wish this video could be replicated on American resources with the inscription "... they were financed and financed by your government - this is democracy in an American way" (Them financed and finances your government is and there is a democracy in an American way). I think the effect would be much more powerful than the showdown here on the forum.

[tan0472]

Quote: bachast

Don't need it here

Necessary. To remember. You need to know them not only by name, but also where their relatives live. Maybe they will play the same donkeys.

[tan0472]

maxiv1979, here is your islam. If Orthodoxy falls, moderate Muslims will abruptly become immoderate..
These bastards deserve to be beaten with horseradish before they die, and their own in their mouths.

[bachast]

and why remember Islam? We would recall yesterday’s topic, where Kadyrov says that they were cursed .. Plused.
Those who cursed them, are not Muslims chtoli?

[Dmitry Desnyansky]

wet in the toilet.
Bright memory

[volcano]

Trance
You know ... one of my closest friends is a Muslim Tatar.
Officer ...... We have been friends for so many years ......
Never as a true Muslim did he call for violence and the destruction of dissenters.
This is not Islam .... this is terrorism .... crime and bestiality. And for this you need to chop heads.
And Muslims are normal guys. I’m telling you this as Russian Orthodox.
And there are plenty of eestremists everywhere.

[Trance]

Andrey, I agree with you. But there is no need to relax.

[volcano]

But for this it is necessary to find and execute. Necessarily ..... in public ...
And it’s not like to shoot there ..... but remember the ancient Russian execution.
Birch trees.
But to find mellow all coves ..... and either on birch trees or horses.
These creatures of nationality do not have faith either.
And you need to deal with them accordingly. There is no tolerance for anything.
Dog canine death. AND ONLY DEATH. SCARY ..... TORNING ....
In order to ... put them in pants before dying ...
That would be from one word "RUSSIAN" pissing.
And after all, we can ..... we can, but we cannot .... we play the rules ..... we play the fair court ..... we play the civilization ....
NO SOME ANIMALS Vainly FORGOTTEN WHO SUCH RUSSIANS.
WE WILL REMIND!
The day will come ...... and they will curse the day they were born.

[Malyavka]

True Muslims will not allow this

[volcano]

maxiv1979
Do not even hope.
In the fact that the war began, of course there is a grain of truth, ALWAYS NOT ON OUR FAULT. And this removes the blame from us for this.
And Orthodoxy in Russia will be as long as at least one Russian is alive.

And Orthodox tolerance is generally a role model for ALL.

[Malyavka]

Any situation can be skillfully turned in the right direction. It is foolish not to understand this. We must think broader.

[Uncle]

Quote: maxiv1979

rather islam

Islam? What is this? They are Muslims, and their faith is Islam.

[shasherin_pavel]

maxiv: Reread the Old Testament, God's Testaments, which Jesus did not cancel.
It is all overflowing with the ordinances of God, feed the Levites, and do not give land for the cities where the Levites (priests) live, so that they do not create vegetable gardens for themselves. "I believe in God" you write, but how do you say to yourself: "I forgive myself my sins"?
The priest of "Varyag" under fire carried the wounded to the hospital, which became the captain's cabin, and got off the ship into the boat, holding the wounded captain. Oslyabya and Peresvet were monks of Sergius of Radonezh, who for the first time introduced the rule that a smerd who turns into monks must transfer all his property and land to the monastery, and when cultivating this land, he had to give all the harvest to the monastery, into a common pot.
And even more than that, he took the land from the peasants, who found themselves surrounded by the monastery lands, in exchange for the marginal lands far from the monastery.
This is where the commerce in Orthodoxy came from. But thanks to the Orthodox Church, monasteries were built on the border of Russia and the monks became "border guards" of the Russian lands and took the first blow from the enemies. Then our church was not even a militant one, but a defender of the Russian land. And where to get money for the construction of monasteries and weapons?
Commerce! my brother. Here is such a story of the land of the Russian and Orthodox Church.

[Flooding]

Quote: maxiv1979

Did God want some to feed others hiding behind his name? I doubt it) Did the god authorize these people to speak on his behalf, forgive sins, baptize our children, escort cries after death? I also doubt it.

How are your doubts reinforced besides the intuitive avoidance of the church?
Maybe by reading the Bible?

[klavyr]

Quote: maxiv1979

in many ways, these storms were provoked by this faith)

Storms, as I understand it, all wars and revolutions? What is the provocation here? I don’t catch your logic. In general, each person has a choice - what to believe or not to believe. And no need to "rattle" ...

[Ross]

Undoubtedly all these actions against the church are part of the backstage pressure of Western hypocrites aimed at the decomposition, loss of orientation of the people. It is embarrassing to try to translate the defense into emotions in response. In the emotional heat, it is easiest to get people out. It does not pass the impression that some kind of dirty game has been started from above, in order to divert our attention from the main problems. Mnogokhodovka of the same Brzezinski and K.

[hrych]

Simply, Mr. Ross, from an exotic attraction, the Orthodox Church has turned into a real force and the core of a nation-forming nation, so the opponents are worried, but late, now all such actions will lead to an orthodox shift in society and the creation of squads to protect shrines, and then the massacre of minorities, all sorts of different, with different orientations, as usual.

[Ross]

hrych,

That is, sir, do you think a new religious and political war is ahead?

[cc-20]

Mr. Ross, that’s how it began, they announced it to us, they wanted to allow it peacefully — in the legal field, if the ladies would have left the bastard and that’s it, no, let's cross the walls, paint the walls, but any action gives rise to opposition, and unlike godless hooligan shobla as opposed to we get religious orthodox fanatics, ready for the Inquisition and auto-da-fe. It sounds wild, but this is badly enough for us, and the Cossacks are sitting around idle, and the patriarch must pay for these formations, the money is full, the temples are growing by leaps and bounds, but it's time to suspend the construction and concentrate on protecting the church because the church is not in logs, but in ribs.

[hrych]

Mr. Ross, that’s how it began, they announced it to us, they wanted to allow it peacefully — in the legal field, if the ladies would have left the bastard and that’s it, no, let's cross the walls, paint the walls, but any action gives rise to opposition, and unlike godless hooligan shobla as opposed to we get religious orthodox fanatics, ready for the Inquisition and auto-da-fe. It sounds wild, but this is badly enough for us, and the Cossacks are sitting around idle, and the patriarch must pay for these formations, the money is full, the temples are growing by leaps and bounds, but it's time to suspend the construction and concentrate on protecting the church because the church is not in logs, but in ribs.

[tan0472]

The speech of the "rabid queens" is, in my opinion, a speech primarily against Putin. And the temple was chosen for this as the most resonant tribune.
The Orthodox Church is certainly not the main one, but one of the pillars of the state. And any pillar must be protected from "beavers".
PS Not all experts in religion. What does "Gap. 6: 7" mean? (Do not be deceived: God is not mocked. What a man sows, that he will also reap.
(Gal. 6: 7))

[ICT]

Quote: tan0472

And any pillar must be protected from "beavers".

continuing the allegory: the pillars should be of iron concrete or oak trimmed, then even a herd of beavers is not scary.
that's why I don't like how the situation with "pusi" was resolved, I had to look for another way out, without punishing them and turning them into martyrs

[Galina]

TIT.
They were turned into "martyrs" not by the Orthodox, but on the contrary, by the bogs and Western Satanists, who are acting very harmoniously. Therefore, it is necessary to distinguish the appearance created by Satanists with reality. In addition, the length of this process and the softness in relation to the support of the psek by law enforcement agencies creates the impression of a society's indecision in the fight against evil. It is this indecision that gives strength to Satanists, they hope that the situation will turn in their favor. Because of this, we have a continuation - the "krestopoval" in Russia and Ukraine (this is still, and then it may be worse).

[ICT]

Quote: Galina

but quite the opposite, swamps and Western Satanists

And I'm talking about what I’m saying, they were given only two years, and they became a banner that does more harm than the incident itself,

therefore, it was necessary to negotiate differently:

Well, let’s say nursing in sickhouses for half a year and repenting for the misconduct itself would bring in my opinion a greater result than this real time during which the scandal would only flare up, or, as Leonontiev suggested, just carve and forget (this is for hawks requiring blood )

[Evil Tatar]

There in the zone they will explain all this to them in two years, not childishly ...
Let the devil sit.

[Rebus]

Quote: tan0472

The speech of the "rabid queens" is, in my opinion, a speech primarily against Putin. And the temple was chosen for this as the most resonant tribune.

I do not think that this speech is directed against Putin, and not even against the Church - this is a spit in the face of ordinary people, it does not matter whether they are believers or not ....

[tan0472]

Thank. Read.

[Rebus]

Quote: tan0472

PS Not all experts in religion. What does "Gap. 6: 7" mean? (Do not be deceived: God is not mocked. What a man sows, that he will also reap.
(Gal. 6: 7))

Means literally: "Epistle to the Galatians of the Holy Apostle Paul" chapter # 6, verse # 7

[Galina]

Quote: Rebus

Rebus (1)

Thank you for the excellent quotes and for your position.
Sincerely.

[bachast]

New Testament. There is also such an opinion.

[Rebus]

Quote: bachast

New Testament. There is also such an opinion.

It is possible, but in any case, different people have different reactions to the same events. Of the four canonical Gospels, only two were written by His apostles, and the passages I quoted were written by the apostle called after the ascension of Christ ... But the apostle Paul wrote:

16. All Scripture is inspired and useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17. may God's man be perfect, prepared for every good work.

[bachast]

Fine!

[Uncle]

Bachast, I heard that when a Jew dies, the rabbi secretly tells him that the Messiah has already come? Have you heard of this?

[amikan]

Have you read all 4 options yourself? There are no disagreements. They only complement each other.

[Trance]

Revaluation of values ​​is now beginning. We will break through with God's help.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Trance

Revaluation begins now

Not everyone overestimates the values, you can read the comments and everything will be clear to you.

[Trance]

Alexander Romanov,

Alexander good afternoon. I see everything perfectly . The boomerang effect, no one canceled (believers call it God's punishment).

[baltika-18]

Quote: tan0472

PS Not all experts in religion. What does "Gap. 6: 7" mean? (Do not be deceived: God is not mocked. What a man sows, that he will also reap.
(

The Epistle of the Apostle Paul to the Galileans. For 12 years I studied religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), I didn’t get to the rest, I just got acquainted. I came to the conclusion. Very guys it’s harmful. The Bible is more contradictory reading. I didn’t come across the Koran. there is a suspicion of the adequacy of the writer. The Torah, the Talmud, frankly misanthropic works, reminded me of something of the works of Adolf Hitler. God could not give this to people. No wonder in Russia there was a saying "You read the Bible, you will go crazy."

Quote: maxiv1979

Russia needed to adopt either Catholicism or Islam, in the future it will be so, rather Islam

Russia will not accept anything anymore, on the contrary it will be the first country in which traditional religions will disappear. There will be something new (well-forgotten old).

[andrei332809]

somewhere I read the conversation of two amas. why Russians after so many mistakes still exist. the second answers: Russian children of God, he protects them. first: so ev-rey are slaves of god. the second: it’s precisely slaves. slaves are punished for wrongdoing. and the Russians are God's children, and you can’t forgive the children

[grizzlir]

If you look, the Slavic-pagan faith was not so bad. And the Slavic gods did not consider a slave to man, then people were closer to nature and the gods were part of this nature. However, this is a different topic and it does not make sense to discuss it, I’m all the same baptized Orthodox Christian.

[andrei332809]

something else hurts me. why Western pagan religions are universally cultivated in the form of all sorts of myths and legends, while the Russian one did not seem to exist. I read the Slavic myths about the pagan gods, the Greek did not stand nearby. and in our myths everything is kinder and less pornographic. "Soviet Russia" edition 1990-91

[grizzlir]

Quote: andrei332809

why Western pagan religions are universally cultivated in the form of all sorts of myths and legends, and it seems that there was no Russian religion. I read Slavic myths about pagan gods-Greek did not stand nearby.

Everything is very simple, the influence of the church in the Russian state is very large and it is increasing every year. The Russian Orthodox Church does not tolerate competition. I remember even Russian folk tales were cursed. Any memory of Slavic gods provokes a stormy negative reaction from the church. Those who are trying to popularize the image of the Slavic ancient life is reckoned among the pagans and devil worshipers. The Russian Orthodox Church even created a department for combating the wrong religions, this department is supervised by the well-known priest Chaplin. In my opinion, there is nothing in common between the devil and paganism.

[andrei332809]

so the Catholics generally burned dissidents. however, everyone will say who such Venus is, but few people know about the fret (not the car)

[Uncle]

Quote: grizzlir

Any memory of Slavic gods provokes a stormy negative reaction from the church

Prince Vladimir Krasno Solnyshko began to engage in the struggle with idols.

[Uncle]

Quote: grizzlir

And the Slavic gods did not consider man a slave

They did not count at all, for they were soulless idols.

[Uncle]

One of my acquaintances studied the "Handbook of Higher Mathematics", "Handbook of Therapist", "Languages ​​of Polynesia" and realized that this is all nonsense, But Three Musketeers, this is a book.

[ward]

Well, why the administrative formation of the Russian Orthodox Church is positioned as a representative of Orthodoxy ... now, if you wish, you can pray at home ... it does not contradict the canons ... you can also find churches free of these plump priests with sweaty hands ...

[Uncle]

Quote: ward

Now, if you wish, you can pray at home ... this does not contradict the canons ... and find churches free of these plump priests with sweaty hands ...

It contradicts how. Orthodox people should take part in worship. And if the plump ones do not fit, go to the monasteries, there are thin ones.

[10mihail]

It would be necessary to deprive of citizenship, infidels such as "pusi wright" and defilers of shrines. And it would be better if it was fixed by law. Let them dance in the west ...

[6o6er]

Quote: tan0472

What does Gap. 6: 7 mean?

Galatians
Well, Putin climbed into the affairs of the church and put Gishnik Kiril to rule it, so people began to rank the power and the church as one denominator, with Alexy the second there was no such folly ...

[andrei332809]

Pray to God, but don’t believe the Chernigos.
people go to God, not priests. if some rituals need mediators, then well. and people see everything

[Uncle]

Do you personally pray or just reason?

[Galina]

Quote: 6o6er

Well, Putin climbed into the affairs of the church and put Gishnik Kiril to rule it, so people began to rank the power and the church as one denominator, with Alexy the second there was no such folly ...

Excuse me, what's wrong with you? Where are such conclusions from? Where is your logic?

[Uncle]

Quote: 6o6er

they began to rank the power and the church as one denominator; under Alexy II there was no such folly ...

The church began to deal with all-Russian affairs. I avoid the word "state" so as not to hear that the church is separated from the state. How is it separated if it communicates with the citizens of this state? The Church began to influence the minds of those who hold power. Not all of them to dance to the tune of amers.

[baltika-18]

Few people know that until the 17th century Orthodoxy did not exist. The name was such a peasant faith of Greek law. Orthodoxy began to be called from the 17th century after the Nikon reform. At the same time serfdom was introduced, before this slavery was not in Russia. I do not quite understand the title of the article . What kind of persecution. The Russian Orthodox Church is the richest organization: there are no sea outlets, no taxes, prices for services are crazy, we have a funeral service for the deceased cost 1500 rubles (10 minutes to wave the censer). It’s the same with Muslims. There’s so much mufti on one hajj that I didn’t dream. So, guys, when religions turn into a very profitable business, it means they go through a point of no return, then non-existence.

[ward]

That's for sure ... in Vinnovka, near Samara, we’ve removed such a cottage ... like a man’s monastery ... with a beach ... and girls on the beach in extreme swimsuits ... but the Iversky convent is not shaky ... Mother Superior does not get along with the regional church authorities ... on the basis of the behavior of this very authorities ...

[Uncle]

Quote: baltika-18

our funeral service for a dead person costs 1500 rubles

Well, don’t pay, don’t do funerals at all, pray at home like Baptists.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

scary and terrible not from the attacks themselves, but from the indifference of others.
take the same situation with crazy pussies, how many sayings that the "girls" did not do anything terrible, now here is the second stage of this action, cutting down the crosses, to catch it in public and to the monastery on the Solovki

[10mihail]

I think it’s necessary to drive such people out of Russia !!!!!!!!!!!

[korvin1976]

The Russian Orthodox Church is not the Orthodox faith, whatever one may say. Church and Faith are two big differences. For the most part, faith is the same for all Christians (Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, Apostolic) and Muslims. We all believe in one god, but there are small differences, and these differences are primarily created by the church.
Why crucified Jesus? For faith? To some extent, yes, but ......... the truth, as they say, is somewhere nearby. Jesus was crucified because he drove traders out of the temple, and this is the fundamental reason, it was then attributed to the heap. Prior to the expulsion of the merchants, he lived, preached, and no one touched or condemned him for his faith, and here he encroached on the merchants.
And what are we observing now? For which Jesus was crucified the same thing is happening now in almost all Orthodox churches, the dominance of merchants. And letting these church tents belong to the church, and not to private entrepreneurs (although not a fact), but merchantry as it was and still is merchandising. I perfectly understand that church paraphernalia is important: candles, icons, crosses, etc., but trade it outside the temple, and not inside.
Faith and the church cannot be disturbed; these are two different things. You can believe and be a true believer, but do not go to church. Temples were created primarily so that ordinary people could come and ask for advice from God, from the clergyman. If you believe and find in faith all the answers in your life, the church as such is not needed.
And of the most, for the most part, what is happening now, there is persecution, not of Faith, namely, the church with its rotten and corrupt churchmen, not all of course, but unfortunately the majority.

[darkman70]

And of the most, for the most part, what is happening now, there is persecution, not of Faith, namely, the church with its rotten and corrupt churchmen, not all of course, but unfortunately the majority

korvin1976 is very naive to think so. This is exactly what the enemies of the Russian people use. Is things better in other churches? Believe in many of them even worse. But they don’t pour so much dirt on them .. Why? Look carefully at people who, with foam at the mouth, oppose the ROC ... These people are either nihilists or belong to other faiths. So what do they care about what watch the patriarch wears.? Why are they so worried? For example, as an atheist, it’s completely parallel to me what kind of watch the patriarch has and what kind of car he drives. Why do they care? And then there is a certain factor known in narrow circles: it is enough to discredit the leadership in order to discredit the whole idea. It is enough to pour slop on Stalin to discredit the entire system of the USSR, it is enough to denigrate Zhukov, to diminish the significance of victory in the Second World War, etc. etc.

[korvin1976]

darkman70
And no one says that it is necessary to continue raids on the dispersed churchmen, I am talking about something completely different, that it is time for these same churchmen to think about what they are doing and how. The fact that the patriarch drives an expensive car and the fact that his watch is more expensive than my apartment, to be honest, I don't care. The patriarch is not a god, he is the same man, but everything human and is not alien to him, especially since he is also the "face" of the Russian Orthodox Church.
The question is different, the question of hypocrisy in which the church is mired, not FAITH, but the church. Personally, I now see the picture that Jesus saw when he entered the temple and saw the merchants there. In the lion's part of the churches there is a trade in everything and everything.
In the correct temples, the same candles are free for the parishioners, and the churches live on donations from the parishioners. But in the "churches" there are frequent announcements that "candles bought in other churches in this church are not valid." How can this be called? What can you call a trade tent that stands 10-15 meters from the pulpit? Really, if you really want to sell it, you can't take it outside the church territory.
It is precisely because of such cases that the church is now being raided, that now the "church" is not a temple of God, but a type of business, and the business is quite profitable.
I have two "churches" in the city, one converted from a former cinema, and the other from a former pub. And these are churches? Let's say the building and so on does not matter. But what about the fact that for baptism, people who have not bought something in a trade tent at the church cannot get water? To do this, you must present a purchase receipt for at least 100 rubles. Excuse me, but this church is called "unexpected joy", I know where this name comes from, but most have an association with another case, which often occurs in babies.
I have my own faith, but I respect and respect any faith and any temple, regardless of religion, but such churches just infuriate me, and especially those people who serve in such churches (they earn money).

[darkman70]

that it is time for these same churchmen to think about what they are doing and how

I agree with you .... but as a person who is far from the church and at the same time understands that this is a purely internal church affair.

The question is different, the question of hypocrisy in which the church is mired, not FAITH, but the church. Personally, I now see the picture that Jesus saw when he entered the temple and saw the merchants there. In the lion's part of the churches there is a trade in everything and everything.

Understand that the church has always and at all times been engaged in speaking the modern language of business. This is a normal condition for any church. In pre-revolutionary times, churches owned villages with serfs and even factories. And in Catholic countries, for example in Germany, even principalities belonged to churchmen, and absolution was sold for money. The church is an instrument of politics and power. And the government always gives preferences to churches, including economic ones, because it is an instrument of influence on people, and sometimes even expansion to other countries. From there comes the ostentatious luxury of the highest hierarchs. It has always been so, and not just now. The more luxurious the church looks, the more flocks it has, spiritual influence and the support of power, and this attracts a new flock .. Notice, after all, it is the churches that we owe to the magnificent and magnificent temples of antiquity, the frescoes of Rublev and Micheangelo. And the point here is not in the church’s love for luxury, but in the desire to denote its significance in the world and the history of its people.
That is, people through the media focus on those affairs of the church that have been normal for her throughout her years of existence, taking advantage of the fact that most people now simply do not know that the ascetic lifestyle is the lot of monks, not church hierarchs . Most people do not know this. Including you. When I was in school, the topic of selling indulgences and the church in general was raised ... I don’t know how now.

[korvin1976]

darkman70
Understand that the church has always and at all times been engaged in speaking the modern language of business. This is a normal condition for any church.

korvin1976
I perfectly understand that church paraphernalia is important: candles, icons, crosses, etc., but trade it outside the temple, and not inside.

So I'm not against the business of the church, I'm against business in the church!

[Uncle]

Quote: korvin1976

So I'm not against the business of the church, I'm against business in the church!

Business is too big a word. Many temples barely make ends meet. And your 10 rubles per candle will not enrich anyone.

[korvin1976]

Uncle
Business is too big a word. Many temples barely make ends meet. And your 10 rubles per candle will not enrich anyone.

He that heareth heareth, he that readth understand.
I am not opposed to the church being engaged in trade (business), but let it be engaged in this not on the territory of the church.
Let the main church paraphernalia, especially candles, be free, everything else can already be sold.
Many temples have evolved and now exist solely because of donations, and that means something. I would not want to compare, but ............
If you don’t like some store or establishment, you will go to another, just like with a church. In one temple, the priest is good RIGHT, but in another it is not clear what. You will go to the temple in which the father is good and correct and make your donation there.
I do not like such examples and allegories, even though I have a different FAITH, but I consider all this blasphemy, but I consider the desecration of churches to be merchants even more blasphemy.

[Uncle]

Quote: korvin1976

but I consider all this blasphemy, but even more blasphemy I consider the desecration of temples trade.

Go to the Trinity-Sergius Lavra, there are notes and candles for donations. Don’t give anything, no one will say anything. Besides conscience, of course.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

that is, you want to say that rabid pussy protested against traders?
what in Kaliningrad wrote indecency on the walls of the Temples in protest?
that cut down the worship crosses protesting?
Are you either naive or stupid

[korvin1976]

Vasilenko Vladimir
that is, you want to say that rabid pussy protested against traders?
what in Kaliningrad wrote indecency on the walls of the Temples in protest?
that cut down the worship crosses protesting?
Are you either naive or stupid

I don’t want to say anything like that.
I’m only talking about the general tendency of the Russian Orthodox Church’s abuse.
The frenzied are just regular scumbags no more, and these scumbags give a push movement for scumbags who saw crosses and desecrate temples.
If you are not aware that at all times there have been a sufficient number of such scumbags, then as you wrote to me: Are you either naive or stupid
The only thing that now overshadows the situation is that most Orthodox believers somehow understand that trading in churches is not right, but doesn’t do anything, but they’re doing such scumbags, they’re just doing it all the style of their frostbitten concepts and neglected freakiness.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: korvin1976

but at the same time he doesn’t do anything, and they just do such scumbags, they just do it all in the style of their frostbitten concepts and neglected frickeliness.

apparently you are naive
sorry but these morons to trade in the temples deep on

[korvin1976]

Vasilenko Vladimir

I note that I have no word anywhere that the scumbags do this in order to remove trade from the temples. I am talking about the fact that at this time it has become "fashionable" to blaspheme the church, and it is these thugs on the wave of "fashion" that do their thing. At the same time, all this happens with a large share of "youthful maximalism and protest" - this is when a person, even knowing that he is wrong, will prove his innocence, just for the sake of not agreeing with his opponent.

apparently you are naive
I may be naive somewhere, but in the light of my naivety, as a rule, I see the essence and truth
And a huge request, do not quote my statements, since it is convenient for you to see, and if you are quoting, then quote the sentence in full.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: korvin1976

and these thugs are on the wave of "fashion" and do their job.

Yes, they don’t do any of their affairs, all THEIR affairs end with a group fuck or stuffing a chicken in a ..
in my understanding, those who prepared the action for their goal have reached the country again is divided into "red" and "white", and from the foundation of the Russian statehood again fiercely knocked stone by stone.
homosexuals demand that their perversion be recognized as the norm; they recognize a huge component of Russian culture as obscurantism, etc. t etc.

[korvin1976]

You are a strange person, I’m telling you the same thing, but you think me naive and stupid. True, I express my statements in a more detailed form and more narrowly identify the problem and the consequence of this problem. And it turns out that you see the problem, but do not see the essence of the problem, but only its consequences.
I'm sorry, maybe I'm wrong, but .........
There is a reason, or several reasons, there is an action arising from the cause, and at the end there are consequences.
At this time, I see only greed for the churchmen, and the attacks of scumbags moving on the wave of "protest fashion". As such, I do not observe DIRECT attacks against ORTHODOX BELIEF, not the ROC, namely VERA. Radical Islamists don't count, that's another song.

[Uncle]

Quote: korvin1976

I perfectly understand that church paraphernalia is important: candles, icons, crosses, etc., but trade it outside the temple, and not inside.

Where such an opportunity exists, they do so. The store has been moved beyond the boundaries of the Temple and the monastery itself.

Quote: korvin1976

namely, churches with its rotten and corrupt churchmen, not all of these, of course, but unfortunately the majority.

Not the majority, but the minority, that's why they are in sight.

[korvin1976]

Uncle
Where such an opportunity exists, they do so. The store has been moved beyond the boundaries of the Temple and the monastery itself.

Everything can be, of course, I do not know all the churches, but those that I saw in all the traders sit either inside the temple, or on the church grounds. At the same time, everyone, absolutely everyone, has the opportunity to put up a tent at the entrance to the territory of the church. You don't have to go far, in our city there is a church "Unexpected Joy" from the main entrance to the territory about 50 meters away, a small shop has been rented for 8 years already, almost the entire city believes that this place would be ideal for a church shop or shop. At the same time, this church, in our city, is considered the most fashionable and visited (I apologize, but for me this particular church in the city is the most degraded), the people go to it in a shaft, and it is in it that announcements hang that they say it is impossible the like.

[Uncle]

Quote: korvin1976

it is in it that announcements hang saying that it’s impossible with someone else’s candles and the like.

With candles, the layout is as follows: they bring candles from Jerusalem, they are paraffin wax, they smoke. In addition, the candle does not serve to illuminate the room, it is a sacred sacrifice, the candle is consecrated in a special way, there are a lot of Satanists "conjuring" over them, desecrating them with sacrificial blood. There is no place for such candles on a candlestick.

[darkman70]

The priests, the hierarchs of the church have nothing to do with it. In all denominations, church ministers live very well. The attack is directed against Orthodoxy, as part of the self-awareness of the Russian people. Religion has a great influence on the mentality of people. A Russian person who renounces Orthodoxy is no longer a Russian person. A good example is the history of Serbs, Croats and Bosnians. By origin, one people, but different religions made of them completely different peoples, with different characters and aspirations. Moreover, an Orthodox person may well be an atheist. To take away from a Russian person his faith is the same as to take away from him a part of a thousand-year-old culture and history. In the old days "Orthodox" was synonymous with "Russians".

[ward]

The policy of the ROC has led to the fact that only 7% of the population of Russia positions themselves as Orthodox ... this is called arrived ...

[darkman70]

Unlikely. It is rather a consequence of the policy of atheism in the USSR. Which was very correct. Religion divides people. After the collapse of the Soviet Union and the return to religious propaganda, believers became much more
but still there are still quite a few of them.
And the policy of the Russian Orthodox Church is no different from the policies of other churches.

[Svobodny]

The figure is taken from the ceiling

[bachast]

7% of Russia's population positions itself as Orthodox

utter stupidity

[Odessa]

bachast,

utter stupidity

Indeed, nonsense, I did not read long ago that according to the survey, only 7% of Orthodox observe fasting.

[bachast]

Did I understand you right, Esther? If a person does not observe the post, is he not Orthodox?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: bachast

If a person does not observe the post, is he not Orthodox?

No, it’s not right, but fasting is certainly better observed. I do not follow unfortunately.

[Odessa]

bachast,
Have you read the Gospel? If not, read it, it says about fasting. The first fasting was still in Eden, when God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
And then after the coming of Christ it is said about fasting that not everything that comes with food into a person defiles him, but everything that comes out of a person, that is, with all bad actions (actions), a person defiles himself, and even when he defiles himself.
If a person can fast, he fasts. If not, then it is not for us to judge anyone! God will judge them, as they say.

[bachast]

If a person does not observe the post, is he not Orthodox?

[Yarbay]

Quote: bachast

If a person does not observe the post, is he not Orthodox?

it turns out that it’s not glorious, but you shouldn’t put pressure on a person, it will push him even more!

[bachast]

What story is Alibek

[Yarbay]

Alas, I can’t see)))
I’ll probably look at home in three hours!

[Odessa]

Yarbay,
Not all fights are religiously motivated.
In a brawl, seven people were injured, among them two policemen. The reason for the fight of the clergy was a dispute about cleaning the temple. After Christmas, priests of the Greek church installed stairs in the church to wash walls and ceilings and decided to remove not only their part of the temple, but also that belonging to the Armenian church. This aroused the fury of the clergy of the Armenian church and provoked unrest. The actual demarcation inside the building is very arbitrary, as a result of which quarrels periodically arise between clergymen, which develop into mass brawls.
The fight lasted about 15 minutes, until the ripened Palestinian police intervened. After the fighting was separated, and the wounded were sent to the hospital, the cleaning of the church continued.

[Odessa]

bachast,

What story is Alibek

There, Armenians are constantly fighting the Greek Patriarchate, by the way, there are a lot of Orthodox Arab priests. A few years ago, the Armenians said that if the blessed fire didn’t go away, they would kill everyone. Now, on all Christian holidays, the Military Police are present in the church and nearby. .
And once, the Armenians closed in the church and did not allow the Orthodox to enter it, so the blessed fire descended along the pillar, at the entrance to the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, there is still a dissection in the column from the fire.
Photo by Israeli Police (Church of the Holy Sepulcher, spring 2012)

[Yarbay]

Quote: Odessa

And once, the Armenians closed in the church

I read as if they once challenged that the glorious priest could receive blodatny fire and for a long time they barricaded themselves in that temple and still the fire did not come down until the glorious priest followed him!

[Odessa]

Yarbay,
This is not one year when faiths in the temple are at war.

[Uncle]

Quote: Yarbay

I read as if they once challenged that the glorious priest could receive blodatny fire and for a long time they barricaded themselves in that temple and still the fire did not come down until the glorious priest followed him!

It was even cooler! While the Armenians locked themselves in prayers, the Russian delegation stood outside waiting. And the blessed fire came down to them, hammering a lightning into a stone column, it burst already. Now this column is a place of worship, and the Armenians no longer try to receive a blessed fire.

[Uncle]

Quote: bachast

If a person does not observe the post, is he not Orthodox?

And if he does not keep the commandments, does not participate in the liturgy, does not know the Holy Scriptures, then is he Orthodox? Probably Orthodox, but what's the use of what he lives for?

[Evil Tatar]

Quote: ward

The policy of the ROC has led to the fact that only 7% of the population of Russia positions themselves as Orthodox ... this is called arrived ...

Well what nonsense are you writing?
I suppose he considered himself without exception, wandering with his staff through the distances and weights of Russia?

[ward]

God, how tired of this ... you are still a professor link to the studio ... according to the Levada Center, only seven percent of respondents attend church once a month ... Odessa girl you go to the mosque how many times ... damn hamsters with your finger to the keyboard once again poke laziness ... Orthodoxy is the Russian Orthodox Church ... and if people go to church ... then they are Orthodox ... if they go to a house of worship then sectarians ... at the same time they are Christians ... but not Orthodox. .. if they don’t go anywhere and believe in Christ .... then Christians ... but not the fact that the Orthodox ... for example, I believe in Christ ... but the Russian Orthodox Church makes me sick. ..

[bachast]

if people go to church ... then they are Orthodox ... if they go to a house of worship then sectarians

conclusion? are you not orthodox?

[ward]

Yes, I do not maintain any contacts with the Russian Orthodox Church ...

[bachast]

Well, that is, your answer can be understood as: -I am not Orthodox

[ward]

That's right ...

[Yarbay]

Quote: ward

That's right ..

If it’s not a secret, in religion do you consider yourself to be ??
To whom do you relate ??

[bachast]

One thing is clear, he is a Christian! But not Orthodox, not Catholic ... not even a Huguenot

[darkman70]

Maybe an old believer-bespovets ???) They do not have priests and even sweep churches. True, it seems impossible to serve them in the army.))

[darkman70]

Orthodoxy is not the Russian Orthodox Church. It is not a house with domes and a priest. This is a belief system, a religious worldview, like any other church. I’m an atheist, I go to church only on excursions, but I’m an Orthodox person, because it’s mine .. Russian, this is part of me, this is the story of my ancestors.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: ward

. Odessa You go to the mosque how many times.

She doesn’t go to the mosque, but she constantly mothers the Arabs.

Quote: ward

damn hamsters with your finger in the keyboard once again poke laziness

Hamish for quiet Wardik.

[Rodriques]

Here, read the conclusions to you. Believe God or believe in God (as well as in all kinds of priests, priests, muftis, etc.)
The well-known Western Christian writer and speaker Lactantius believed that the term "religion" comes from the Latin verb religare (to bind), therefore he defined religion as the union of man with God [7].

In a similar way, the essence of religion was understood by Blessed Augustine, although he believed that the word “religion” came from the verb reeligere, that is, reunite, and religion itself means reunion, the restoration of the once lost union between man and God [7]
If we try to give probabilistic estimates to the combination of "believe someone" and "believe in someone", then the following is possible:

"trust someone" - 100% at once, ie there is no doubt and does not trumpet evidence, as in the quote under paragraphs 2 and 3 from the large explanatory dictionary of the Russian language.
"believe in someone" - here a scatter from 0 to 100% is possible, and 100% cannot be similar, but only 99.9999999%

And if you choose for yourself, what is still more reliable, then the choice is clear. Ancient thinkers, in their definitions, connected man and God directly, without intermediaries, who benefit from intermediaries, I hope you understand yourself.

[Russlana]

Following your logic, we do not need either a teacher (it’s better to master the math without intermediaries), nor officers — everyone will learn how to fight, nor experienced scientists — why, everyone let himself invent what he wants ...

[lambert]

And why not write.

It’s easier to the source - the Constitution of the Russian Federation - and it is clearly spelled out what is what.
Even simpler - to the god of God - Caesar Cesarean.

But look at our clergy - the mapping of the church. then there are no words, only letters.

Therefore, it is not necessary to exercise faith in it is not clear what. A slave is a slave, no matter who he is, Ivan or God.

If anyone wants to be a slave, then the flag in his hands and a drum on his neck.

[Uncle]

Quote: lambert

If anyone wants to be a slave, then the flag in his hands and a drum on his neck.

Suppose someone does not want to be a servant of God? Where will he go? For some time it will be a slave to sin, then the Lord will try to reason him with various tests, it will not work, nothing is fearful, after death he will answer for everything. Then he finds out whose slave he is.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Uncle

Suppose someone does not want to be a servant of God? Where will he go? For some time it will be a slave to sin, then the Lord will try to reason him with various tests, it will not work, nothing is fearful, after death he will answer for everything. Then finds out whose slave he is

Great words!!
I would give you a thousand pluses if I could !!

[bask]

It’s simple. There will be no Orthodoxy, and there will be no Rossi. These macro-buttons from I don’t remember writing rat or ka isho. They used it in the dark. How many bucks burned in an information war Reveal and ..... Here's another one who starts to argue a slave or not a slave all he..nya. Love Boogh yes no everything. Satan is he saw and hell is. So everyone has a choice with whom he is. This is not just a religion of grandmothers, but an everyday battle of good and evil. Who is aloof from this? Everything is just gentlemen.

[baltika-18]

Quote: bask

Satan is he himself and hell is. So everyone has a choice with whom he is. This is not just a religion of grandmothers, but an everyday battle of good and evil. Everything is just gentlemen.

Quote: bask

Satan is he himself and hell is. So everyone has a choice with whom he is. This is not just a religion of grandmothers, but an everyday battle of good and evil. Everything is just gentlemen.

You have a sore imagination. If a person is fixated on this, fear visits him. And where fear has no place for knowledge. A person becomes a slave to fear. You don’t need to be afraid of the unknown. After two months in intensive care in 2010, I completely dismissed all religious ideas, although Before that, he could call himself a believer. I understood the main thing: we are not alone, religions are harmful, they lead away from the path of knowledge, the world is multidimensional, not only space but also time. People after death pass into another space-time dimension. A person leaving a physical body can to see anything, including the devil. It all depends on what is in his head. So free yourself from fear, try to observe the moral and ethical principles that are inherent in a person from birth. Commandments are just the voice of what exists it’s really at the level of the unconscious, a certain program correcting the life of a person. And there, people like us, only much smarter, have reached such a level of development that we never dreamed of.

[Ross]

baltika-18,

Exactly what you need to hear now.

[baltika-18]

Thanks to Ross. Glad to know that I'm not alone,

[Ross]

baltika-18,

And to you Nicholas, for wise words, unfortunately not yet available to those who see God in the ritual cult of certain priests. After all, God is one for all. As if, for example, the Sun had not represented or called different peoples, it would still remain simply the Sun for all.

[Yarbay]

Quote: baltika-18

And where fear is no place for knowledge

Where there is no fear of God, there is no Faith, or Faith is very weak!
Tamerlane somehow compared a fearless person to a rabid dog!
I think he was right!

[tan0472]

I do not agree with Tamerlan. He was a good commander, but I did not hear that he was a great sage. If a person does not have fear, then it is impossible to control him, and the tamerlanes of all times perfectly understand this. A vivid proof of this is the assassins and the fear that they caused among the rulers.

[Uncle]

Quote: Yarbay

Tamerlane somehow compared a fearless person to a rabid dog!

And Solomon said that the beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Uncle

And Solomon said that the beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord.

Dear, there Tamerlan also spoke about the fear of God!
I agree with Salomon and Tamerlane!

[TROG]

Here it is the Russian Orthodox Church

and how ordinary people see them

[bachast]

You can recall Nevzorov a little earlier and his words about the church)) Changeling

[bachast]

Orthodox Nevzorov

[bask]

The profession does not allow me to attend any fear. I do not respect these gentlemen working on ORT and consider them hypocrites. They cause enormous harm to the faith of our ancestors. True faith. Do not take everything seriously, gentlemen. Smile more.

PS / I agree that, first of all, the devil is in everyone's head. But to overcome yourself and get rid of the evil one is not easy. It’s like dirt stuck and nothing to scrape away. I envy the Hindus everything is on the shelves. No Dostoevsky with his demons.

[vezunchik]

Guys, this is not a matter of religion, but of a struggle for world influence. Before the revolution, Orthodoxy was also oppressed. We had communism - all the jackals barked at the USSR, And now - not Orthodoxy interferes - RUSSIA and the RUSSIAN PEOPLE interfere! Therefore, the unification of all patriotic forces is necessary. A COALITIONAL GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE'S UNITY IS REQUIRED !! Enough to pull the blanket over yourself, if this continues, then we all will feel bad.
Here are just the top do everything out of folly or ....?

[baltika-18]

Quote: darkman70

In the old days, "Orthodox" was synonymous with "Russians

I never wondered what the term Orthodoxy means. It consists of two words, the right of the Slavs. It has no relation to religion. It was privatized in the 17th century by Nikon, before that religion was called the peasant faith of Greek law. In Mozhaysk in the Luzhitsky monastery, in Kostroma in the Ipatiev monastery the graves of the 16th and early 17th centuries have been preserved. There are no traditional Orthodox 8-point crosses on them. They never paid attention to the fact that the architectural style of the 16th-century churches is very different from the architecture of the 17th century, and between them 1613, the Romanovs came to power, reform Nikon: What was believed before the beginning of the 17th century?

[Odessa]

baltika-18,

Consists of two words, the right of the Slavs.

You are mistaken, Orthodoxy from correctly glorifying God, just like Catholics, Babtists, Evangilists, Old Believers

[shasherin_pavel]

Church Slavonic Dictionary of Archpriest Dyachenko
Right is law, power. Remember "Russian law" was translated as Russian Law.
"Glory" from "word".
Word. "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was to God"
Church Slavonic Bible was released in 1900 as a blessing from the Holy Synod.
Orthodoxy is the law of God. And do not invent anything. And then as with 666,
why not write and invent.
And in the same dictionary it is said that "Latin - Lateinos" tempted Eve and has a meaning in the digital designation 666.
p. 279. L 300 + а 1+ т 300 + е 5 + and 10 + н 50+ о 70 + с 200 = 666.

[baltika-18]

I don’t agree. God does not need to be praised. He needs to be understood. Those who consider themselves to be God's servants need to be glorified. Glorifying him, they glorify themselves.

[Yarbay]

Quote: baltika-18

I do not agree. God does not need to be praised

I marvel at you!
Why do you take the liberty of asserting what God needs! ??
Often, some argue that in Christianity, Christians are not slaves, but children of God!
This is ordinary ignorance and just stupid things!

[baltika-18]

And why does he need it, he is smarter, stronger, better than all of us put together. Once again to hear about himself, about his greatness. So this is vanity, which he himself condemns, where is the logic. I am not God's servant, for me the word a slave is unacceptable in any way.

[Yarbay]

Quote: baltika-18

So this is vanity, which he himself condemns, where is the logic.

and where does the logic ???
Why are you looking for logic ??
Why do His angels constantly glorify ??
In Islam, the Almighty has 99 beautiful names !!
Do you want to ask why ??
And why did He create man in such a way? Why two legs ?? two hands and two eyes !!
Not more logical for four ??
Is all that God created succumb to the logic of man!
Everything that happened and happens to succumb to logic ??

[Odessa]

Yarbay,

Everything that happened and happens to succumb to logic?

Absolutely everything. I found out like a book about how astronomers, after some research, became believers. They were shocked when they came to the conclusion that the solar system was perfect. If the Earth would rotate at a different speed, if there would be an angle to the axis, even half a degree would be different then the earth would become a dead planet, if the sun were closer it would burn all the vegetation, etc.
But the Bible says that on what day God created!

[Yarbay]

Quote: Odessa

Absolutely everything. I found out like a book about how astronomers, after some research, became believers. They were shocked when they came to the conclusion that the solar system was perfect. If the Earth would rotate at a different speed, if there would be an angle to the axis, even half a degree would be different then the earth would become a dead planet, if the sun were closer it would burn all the vegetation, etc.
But the Bible says that on what day God created!

Well, in this sense, yes, even the ratio of substances in the atmosphere to the floor is half a cent there and a person could not live !!
But this knowledge, after all, God also gave us !!))
And he created these relationships !!
The Most High would have wanted; there would have been other laws of physics !!

[baltika-18]

And how do you know that angels glorify him, have you heard that God created man in his own image and likeness, that is, he is like us. Outwardly, of course. The level of development of their world is certainly much higher than ours. But their logic is also inherent. But the Bible and the Koran, the Torah were written by people, and I am not sure that, to put it mildly, they did not quite understand what they wanted to tell them.

[Yarbay]

Alas, you do not know much about the Baltic religion, and therefore I see no reason for you to explain something!
But you have the right to have an opinion, but for me it is erroneous!

[Uncle]

Quote: Yarbay

Alas, you do not know much about the Baltic religion, and therefore I see no reason for you to explain something!
But you have the right to have an opinion, but for me it is erroneous!

Robot does not give pluses, just join.

[Russlana]

Orthodoxy ... Like a bone in the throat of our "eternal friends". If we remove the spiritual side, although it is the main one here, and leave exclusively the material side, then believers are not needed anywhere. Even more so in Russia. You see what the "civilized" world "professes"? Debauchery, consumerism, "I" - put at the forefront. Orthodoxy is the complete antipode of this "worldview". Do not need ... people who are trying to bring chaos into our world, people who live according to the commandments. For such people will never be able to subordinate to their will and intoxicate. And even more so, such people will not silently watch how their country is captured.

[Rodriques]

I believe in what I consider necessary and correct. I don’t need a church for this, moreover, because of this I personally am deeply disgusted, low, this is my opinion, I don’t care who you believe - the priest or yourself (and God in yourself).

[Tambov Wolf]

Faith is the last frontier between Russia and the ossotinized West, where public sodomy, debauchery is the norm of life, and bestiality will soon be a religion. Let us not hang noodles that Christians must turn their right or left cheeks. Russian Orthodoxy has always been warriors. Remember Peresvet. , Oslyabyu, Alexander Nevsky, Kutuzov, Suvorov and our other compatriots. All of them were Orthodox and patriots of the Fatherland. "An eye for an eye" and "I brought you not peace, but a sword", has not yet been canceled, but the throwing of Tolstoy's ideology and interpretation The Bible and the Gospels in the direction of humility before the satanic ideology, there are intrigues of enemies, both internal and external, with the aim of destroying Russia, as the last Bastion on the path of Darkness.

[DERWISH]

while faith is with us - humanity will be civilized! desecrators of temples and relics of the sacred will be punished with their conscience and may our LORD be merciful to all his children! who knows ? maybe this is a sign so that people can understand the truth? and the erring could understand, for even under CHRIST Judas were!

[Uncle]

Quote: DERWISH

even under CHRIST Judas were!

One person of holy life once said, "in the world - every 12th is Judas". I looked at my life and could not agree more.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Uncle

One person of holy life once said, "in the world - every 12th is Judas". I looked at my life and could not agree more.

Hmm ... strong words ....

[bask]

I agree with all the reasons. It’s clear that the provocation blinded by the hill was successful And the devil got me to scream I repent with everyone I have a piece of shit and I have no right to disrespect. We should unite around the Glorious faith. Feel Zadornov Glorious faith. If we crack all by ourselves Time has passed to us gentlemen. Or life or ... It's nice how many people are smart and with a good soul. God will not let pass.

[bachast]

And the demon got me patriarch to scream I repent

did the article and the arguments so affect your opinion?

[Russlana]

Yes, guys, you all see how they are waging an information war against Syria, is it really so difficult to notice the same handwriting in your homeland? ..

[Magadan]

For me, the Orthodox Faith is Sergius of Radonezh, Matrona of Moscow, Ksenia of Petersburg, John of Krondstadsky ... For some, these are some mythical priests who drive expensive jeeps and have real estate abroad.
Honestly, I have not met such. Maybe they are, but firstly: wealth is not a sin, a sin if you are a slave to this wealth. And secondly: if it was obtained unrighteously, then such "careless priests" were always and always their number was approximately 1:12 in relation to the real, true clergy.
It's easy enough to invent fairy tales about all kinds of "depraved priests".
Let the opponents of the Orthodox faith give specific names of specific priests who are corrupt and who are directly oligarchs and directly with girls have fun. God forgive me, even repeating this nonsense is disgusting.
And if there is such a name, then I am sure that I will give a hundred names of the true servants of God whom I personally know.
There is one most correct measure, it is called: "By the fruits you will know." The fruits of Orthodoxy are our Russia, which came from the banks of the Dnieper to the shores of the Pacific Ocean. And the fruits of atheism are our country, which has halved after the fall of the USSR. In one word, I believe what I see, and not all human speculations.

[Isk1984]

Well ... for me, the USSR is the only world power that implemented projects of world significance, starting from outer space, ending with a peaceful atom, a country where people were equal and it was all the same to you what kind of religion and no one was burned at the stake, there were no infidels etc. and now, when I look at many posts I just don’t understand where my compatriots go, I see people without a vector inside, without a rod that distinguished Soviet people from us today, there’s planetary thinking, and now there’s reasoning about ... what about God's servants, a man in the USSR was said with a capital letter, and now I feel sorry for all of us since we are little men, probably my atheistic thoughts are not clear to all of you Orthodox, and soon people like me will be sent to the stake ... Who could have been back in 61 to assume that after the flight of Yuri Alekseevich, in the year 2012 we will conduct theological disputes ...

[Ross]

[Quote]Isk1984,

And soon people like me will be sent to the fire ...

In Omsk, the church initiated a lawsuit accusing the Mahabharat of the world-famous Indian Vedic epic of extremism. They almost quarreled us with India! So our church fights against dissent.

[10mihail]

Foreign politicians seek to eradicate and separate all religions in our country. They want disunity in our society. Because the strength of RUSSIA is in our spirituality, unity and kindness. After all, good is always stronger than evil !!!!!!!!!

[Uncle Serozha]

Quote: korvin1976

ROC is not the Orthodox faith, whatever one may say

For me, for sure! I belong to the generation for which the Russian Orthodox Church is a "target illumination radar." He is 5N62, and he is K1V cockpit as part of the RTS of the S-200 air defense SAM system.
And although the Orthodox faith has nothing to do with it, but I am for the Russian Orthodox Church. Behind right ROC.

[erased]

And what do atheists do ?!

[Rodriques]

watch and smile

[baltika-18]

Atheism is also a belief. A belief that there is no god. But he is, only everything is completely different from what traditional religions try to present to us.

[Yarbay]

I knew it!
You are either a sectarian or believe in that which is cosmic !!

[baltika-18]

You are mistaken. Neither one nor the other. My faith has no name, have not yet been invented. Something similar in history was: Jalaladdin al Muhamed Akbar 1, He tried to unite all religions, but did not reach the end.

[Yarbay]

Nikolay!
This is sectarianism !!

Quote: baltika-18

He tried to unite all religions, but did not reach the end.

When the time comes, God will unite everyone!

[baltika-18]

Quote: Yarbay

Nikolay!
This is sectarianism !!

Such sectarianism suits me, let it be called as you like. Purpose: world peace, the elimination of national and religious hatred.

[Uncle]

Quote: Yarbay

When the time comes, God will unite everyone!

On earth does not unite. A common world religion is Satan's project. After death will unite, someone in hell, someone in paradise. Both there and there are various places, as in earthly life.

[scutum]

Do you know how ???
illumination has descended apparently ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: baltika-18

Atheism is also faith. Belief that there is no god.

Yes, where this world is heading, God alone knows.

[baltika-18]

I completely agree with you, he knows. The world is rolling into a bright future.

[Yarbay]

Quote: baltika-18

I completely agree with you, he knows. The world is rolling into a bright future.

but I agree here with you)))

[Uncle]

Quote: Yarbay

but I agree here with you)))

If the bright future is irony, then it’s true, the end of the world is inevitable.

[Border k]

I don’t want to http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikday/134497-oskotinivanie-pussy-riot-i-kultur

a-death.html here

[Kshatriy]

Quote: erased

And what do atheists do ?!

Atheists should cover themselves with a white sheet and crawl towards the cemetery ....
But seriously ... read Blavatsky --- "The Secret Doctrine" is a very lucid description of the Tibetan sect of "Atheists" ... all their faith is spread out on the shelves ...

[AleksUkr]

FROM MEDIA MATERIALS ::

Mother of God, Virgin, drive Putin away
Drive Putin away, Drive Putin away ...

Everyone was outraged by how and where these words were sung, and behind the controversy about "desecration and blasphemy" everyone forgot about the words - and this, in my opinion, is a wonderful poignant artistic statement - just for those who are tired of going to rallies and listening endless insipid speeches of politicians! Clever, caustic, and most importantly - hitting, as they say, not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.

But it turned out to be very dangerous to "run into" not even Putin, but the official church and the patriarch - I am absolutely sure that such an unjustifiably harsh reaction came from the patriarch, and not from Putin - "black cassock, golden shoulder straps", "Patriarch Gundyai "- our" father Zvezdoniy "could not forgive this.

But the most disgusting reaction was not even the reaction of the ROC, the patriarch and other officials in robes - but the reaction of the "believers" - they seemed to have broken loose - there was no such madness, such overwhelming aggression and anger in my memory. I recall the "letters of workers" to the newspapers of 1936-38. demanding "death to spies and traitors", persecution of Pasternak, Sakharov and other abominations of the Soviet era.

The piquancy of the current situation is that these angry and intolerant people consider themselves to be Orthodox believers - in any case, they unite precisely on this basis, and on this basis they divide everyone into their own and others. What kind of love is there, what kindness and compassion, and the ability to forgive ... They have none of this at all. And how they pounced on those real Christians who "dared" to intercede for the girls from Pussy Riot and called on the patriarch to show leniency and forgive them (Lydia Moniava and others)!

WE READ AND THINK, THINK, THINK ,,, BECAUSE WE ARE ADULT PEOPLE AND LIVE IN THE SECOND STATE. Can we distinguish simple hooliganism, even defiant, from the criminal offense ... We have no confidence in the authorities, the courts. Constantly there are suspicions of political order, corporate solidarity, corruption, etc. Who is not connected with the power system, corruption, family relations - that will always be to blame.

[Yarbay]

Quote: AleksUkr

Everyone was outraged

Here I do not agree with you!
I think believers were outraged by outright mockery of their faith!
I think so!
If I were a Christian, I would be unpleasant!

[AleksUkr]

You can relate to this in different ways. But there is no criminal prosecution for defiling the faith in criminal law. This is hooliganism, not incitement ... And what would happen if they sang Putin save? It seems to me that they would simply be spit out and forgotten. They would have remained unknown to anyone. The ROC was to intercede for believers. And she fought in revenge ... As they say - God is their judge. But unfortunately everyone did not approach the assessment of this action from the best, prudent side. All this led to a split in different parts of society, spitting on Russia from everyone who is not lazy. ..Here is the far-fetched persecution of Orthodoxy.

[Yarbay]

Quote: AleksUkr

You can relate to this in different ways. But there is no criminal prosecution for defiling the faith in criminal law. This is hooliganism, not incitement ...

This is another question, here I probably agree with you!

[Kshatriy]

Borukh Gorin http://www.facebook.com/boruch.gorin/posts/10151931650764625
August 17 at 7:06 near Sharur ·
Well, the ruthlessness of justice complicates the fulfillment of my promise. But, nevertheless, since the matter has been done, and my opinion will not worsen the fate of the convicts, I answer the question posed, what could happen to the girls, if they decide to hold their rally in the synagogue.

Option one, tragic. The girls go into the prayer room, run to the bima (something like a pulpit), and pull these balaclavas on their heads. They, poor ones, do not know that the guest also went to the synagogue - the Minister for Freshwater Affairs of the Dead Sea of ​​Israel, who in foreign voyages relies on security from the relevant special services of the Zionist entity. And I must tell you, the agents saw these similar balaclavas in the chronicle, according to which they were taught at the junior sergeant’s school. This one-to-one fit matches the fashion of the 1972 Munich Olympics. And the nerve agent may well open fire to defeat the first. International conflict, sobbing mothers, orphaned children.

Option two, restrainedly optimistic. There is no minister in the synagogue, neither are there any particularly nervous retirees and repentant criminals. The girls are pulled from the bima by ordinary law-abiding parishioners, the police are called, and the singers are handed over to her. Immediately (even before it was handed over to law enforcement officers), a press release about the monstrous anti-Semitic action was broadcast on all channels on all four continents. International Jewish organizations are patiently awaiting fair punishment, and raise a terrible hipesh in the absence of such. Of course, they are not furious, demanding to be stoned, but they also do not raise a scandal if a prison sentence is passed. In private conversations, they come to the conclusion that "Putin is really determined in the fight against anti-Semitism."

Option three, comic. He is the most likely. Girls do not reach the door of the prayer hall, young and cheerful guards, taking this opportunity, long and closely contacting, carry out young rebel bodies.

That's it, girls! And please, do not try to check - my forecasts may turn out to be erroneous - but it is very possible that I am right.

[Uncle]

AleksUkr, you have on your avatar a red flag above the Reichstag. That is, you are a patriot of the USSR and Russia. How would you react to a similar trick of snacks at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier? Would they consider this blasphemy or say that the Criminal Code is not violated and that is all right?

[ICT]

Quote: AleksUkr

READ AND THINK, THINK, THINK ,,,

I completely agree, because , the church didn’t act like a church, but as if it were some kind of tax, and even there was no attempt to enlighten lost souls (words like pathos, but in them the meaning of church work)

[Yarbay]

Quote: TIT

and even there was no attempt to enlighten the lost souls (words like pathos, but in them the meaning of church work)

Why not!
I read that the priest wanted to meet with the guns in the cell, but I do not know if they allowed or not!
From the fact that you do not know, this does not mean that this was not!

[ICT]

it is quite possible it is, all the same, you can’t keep track of everything, but wanting to do this is two different things.
but forget about them for now.

back to the title of the article: "God cannot be mocked ..." On the topic of persecution of Orthodoxy
even if the Soviet authorities failed to erase the faith in God from the people, then where there some kind of foreign gray cardinals.
there is another example of several hundred years of the struggle of the Russian Orthodox Church against the Old Believers did not give exactly any effect, now they get along quite peacefully., that is, if faith is strong it is very difficult (read impossible) to break it.

[Bosk]

Most people condemn the actions of snacks and other snacks, the problem is not in them .. the problem is in us, because at all times there are people who can defile the church and they have always been punished, but right now we raised this topic nowhere else ... better than any enemy, this tendency is not observed in the case of snacks, read the press, there is a lot of negativity, and there are so many positive things, and after all, thinking about the positive person starts to do a lot of positive things, and in the world of negativity, the stump of the current’s idea of ​​bad things is clear.

[Yarbay]

Quote: Bosk

. Propiarized better than any enemy

Absolutely right!!

[Bashkaus]

The severe test of Orthodox people is coming. What should be - will be. The Apocalypse clearly states that in recent times the saints will be defeated, the Antichrist will come to seduce everyone, including the elect as possible, but this should not be long, because even the elect cannot resist - this is the strength of the Antichrist.
But how subtle it is!
The most important thing Jesus calls us to is to love God, to love our neighbor, and to be humble. What is humility? it is an unbiased outlook on life, a denial of one's own desires and passions, it is completely relying on the will of the creator.
The fact that persecution against Orthodoxy has begun is the will of God, who is testing people's faith. On the one hand, I would like to justly resent and punish hooligans cutting down crosses, but here the Orthodox Christian gets into an insidious network, he has anger, he has condemnation, he loses his humility! The point is not that the crosses were cut down, God does not happen to be scolded. The bottom line is that they are trying to outrage the calm of Christians. Maybe this will sound wild to many, but the Orthodox should silently bear these insults.
Remember how Jesus silently accepted his cross, he did not say a single word in his defense when he was condemned and led to be crucified. Remember how they said to him “you saved others, but you cannot” It’s not that he couldn’t save himself, the point is that he did what he had to do, he did it against his will, because before entering Jerusalem prayed: "God, if you may let the sowing cup pass me by, but not mine, but your will will be." So we must accept this as sent by God and not succumb to the hardening of our hearts, but sincerely pray for our enemies. Only then will Orthodoxy win!

[bask]

I’m not a sectarian and I’m loving the cosmos But if we give up our faith, then they will cut us heads like sheep. We won’t move to another faith. There will always be God's providence to strangers. Born Orthodox be to them to death. If they come to die as a man. And who is more a patriot .... time will tell. The main thing is if you beat a crowd of one do not pass. It touches me too. Shyness is one of the manifestations of the devil. But the people have already changed and this communist infection does not roll. . Everyone has their own opinion. But we will be united. Without pathos God help us

[Bashkaus]

I look demons fussed, they put minuses to you, they brought me two pluses to zero))) Bask, I completely agree with you who is faithful in the small, he will be faithful in the big, who is not true in the big, and will not be true in the small. There are laws of physics, they are quite specific E = ms2 and nothing else. Each person has his own cross, i.e. his own destiny by which he lives, God set us to be born in Russia, made us Orthodox, someone was baptized at an age, someone (like me and as my son) in infancy. ALL! There is a given introductory task from parents to educate, from the Orthodox save and transmit. And throwing from religion to religion speaks only about the instability of a person’s worldview.

[Aleks tv]

FAITH is the most unshakable stronghold of man, his refuge. Faith is the last pillbox in which you can always hide both with your soul and body.
You can’t smear Vera.

I have this Orthodoxy.
Russia and the Holy Orthodox Faith are inseparable. I won’t even enter into the discussion, it makes no sense.
In Serbia and Greece, one always feels some kindred relationship with the locals. I don’t know how to explain it, but it is.

Absolutely, I believe that “Puski” is a custom-made provocative event. A dirty event, to the very soul.

About tolerance: I have many relatives, all are married and married. There are also Muslims among us. We live together, celebrate holidays together: some according to "Vera" (who has a holiday), others "for the company". And these are not populist tales on my part, we love each other, we have children: this is Life.

It was recalled: when he served, then there were only amulets, amulets and icons in our “fist”. Everything was welcomed and encouraged. And that was also, and this is also Life.

[Bashkaus]

And just in general, a person turns to God in the most critical situation of his life. I remember reading about the abbot of the Caves Monastery after the war. To the question "how did he come to faith," he answered like this: I was a political officer and a convinced atheist, I stand on the front line, planes are flying around, there are explosions at you, tanks are being thrown at you, people around you are tearing apart, so a tank is rushing at me, I’m never a believer I was, and then he shouted "Lord Save! If I survive, I will serve you!" And there are a lot of such cases. To be honest, I myself have very serious problems in my life, which, in principle, cannot be solved unfortunately. You could have a pistol to your head, from a window or something else, but you can shout "Lord, save me!" and accept all problems as a test of fortitude, learn patience, humility, and through sorrow, love is born ...

[Aleks tv]

Well said, Baskaus ...

[T72B]

Here's a new twist on the case of rabid pussy: http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/08/17/pussy-riot-case-takes-canadian-twist/ .
Although the article is in English, the pictures speak for themselves.

And this is one of the pussy in the supermarket: http://www.artinfo.com/node/814693
Entertaining video.

And after such bestiality multiplied by necrophilia, some call for forgiveness ?!
For all medical indicators, only indefinite detention in the lush compartment of Kashchenko and amenazine 3 times a day will help.

[Aleks28]

And what kind of pardon can be discussed. The furnace is not people This is what the benefits of Western civilization are, and "democracy"

[T72B]

Well, I, in principle, about the same. And here on the forum, many called for church forgiveness. Forgiveness and impunity, unfortunately, do not give rise to awareness of what has been done and repentance, but to new, increasingly unbridled orgies. I can imagine what will begin now, but, nevertheless, I will tell you. Without going into the "scientific" theosophical controversy, only one phrase: "If you hit on the left cheek - substitute the right." for me - an indicator that with such a religion we will not go far. Then the army, the police, and the prosecutor's office are useless at all. Delov something: in your snout, and you also substitute the back of your head and pray for the salvation of the soul of the lost lamb, while it sweeps you and your neighbors.

[Aleks28]

Nothing will start, the train of your thoughts is quite right, you just have to know how to ask for it. Even in Christian times in Russia there was such a custom. Warriors returning from the battlefield were not allowed to the bus for 40 days, although they did the holy work defending their homeland from the enemy, but they killed, and this is a sin. After passing the ceremony of purification, they were taken to the cusp.

[Uncle]

Quote: T72Б

"If you were hit on the left cheek, substitute your right." for me - an indicator that with such a religion we will not go far.

1000 years left very far, as soon as they left God and believed in revolution, the troubles of our people began.

[Aleks28]

Maybe she eats like that. A mutant or an alien ...

[T72B]

Maybe she eats like that. A mutant or an alien ...

Do not quite understand...

[Aleks28]

Well, not a man, I'm talking about a video with a chicken. Comment. climbed the wrong way, as if a billiard-ball was rolling (I'm talking about my comm.)

[T72B]

Sorry, apparently I didn’t understand you correctly because of my intolerance. Well, yes, of course, there are such malfunctions in genetics. Maybe it’s worth it to modify such an individual a little genetically to bring all the openings of the body to a functional purpose destined by nature (this is where there is scope for genetic engineering !!!)?

[Chukcha]

It is strange that the Demon himself is afraid and respects God, and therefore cannot go against Him, but the demon’s servants do not know God, and therefore they criticize and curse him.
God is scolded only by those who do not know Him.

[Shade]

On the street is the 21st century, so both the church and the religion itself can be criticized and even necessary. Russia existed without Orthodoxy, and I hope it still exists without it. More precisely, without religions at all. And about the fact that the Russian Orthodox Church is some kind of symbol of Russia, then at the balalaika level, it’s antique.

[wirbeln]

Gentlemen, comrades, the bar! Do not confuse God and Faith with its servants (priests, mullahs, etc., etc.). They only sell God's grace. I remind everyone: the church is separated from the state. I believe in God, I do not like priests.

[ward]

This is called do not confuse the gift of God with the lamb ... plus ..

[Aleks28]

GOD is one, and the church is an interest club. And the sooner we understand this, the better it will be for us.

[T72B]

GOD is one, and the church is an interest club.

I would say a driving club for the nose and cutting the dough. Although, the current attack on the Russian Orthodox Church is more an attack on the state.

[Aleks28]

This is already a bust, sorry. In such matters, one must be more tolerant.

[T72B]

Thank you for your comment. I will definitely (without irony).

[Aleks28]

But a church is needed. Despite all the interweaving, people go to temples, and if the church brings Good and Love, then this is real faith. And how do you believe (in what rites) it is not so important. Main faith!

[s1н7т]

Duc, like, there is no god. Or am I missing something?

[Aleks28]

For you, no .... You missed everything, and even the distribution of brains.

[suharev-52]

Faith - it is in the soul and is not calculated by the number of trips to the temple and candles set. She is either there or she is not. Regarding God, I personally believe that He alone has a name for every nation. Well, regarding the defilers. They do not deserve any forgiveness and should be punished as much as possible. They do not offend the church, not the state, but the people. And those who insult the people should be punished. Sincerely.

[Hamul]

Threat - minus the health! just have the courage to face the truth!
1st We have a secular state - and the church is climbing, and is trying to gain power again. What does the church care about football and the Olympics?
2- if the churchmen are such saints - they would build centers and shelters for the homeless, for homeless people, etc., but would not build at the expense of the federal budget, federal subjects and local subjects in each city thousands of churches, this looks like a competent marketing policy) )))))))
3rd A strange feature, and why do the saints drive cool cars, and their pussies do not decrease
4-e the poorer and worse the people live, the more violent and more active the church becomes in terms of propaganda It seems that the people are on the verge.
5th give everyone equal right to choose a faith. stop propagating yourself so vehemently. stop publishing materials for kindergartens! and bribe managers. Have a conscience!

Everyone has faith - and it’s foolish to deny that there is something higher, but enough to rob grandfathers and grandmothers.
Stop reaching insanity banning performances and music at the state level.

Threat !!!!!!!!! and remember - only charitable goods in the church (recently I even saw such a picture in GUM CLUB).
YES AND MAKE THE CHURCH HONEST (patriarch’s hours, patriarch’s yacht) - it's just a mockery of ordinary people !!!

[Uncle]

Quote: Hamul

if the churchmen are such saints, they would build centers and shelters for the homeless, for the homeless

These centers are called monasteries. I saw there many homeless people, cripples, after prisons, paralyzed. So do not la la.

[s1н7т]

I just read: "... in the very heart of Russian civilization - in the Orthodox Faith and the Holy Church, in the only thing on which Russia and the Russian world stand.", I almost vomited. Is it slowly slipping from the military theme to the propaganda of the "general course of the party"? According to the Constitution, religion and other clubs of perverts have nothing to do with the state. Any perversion is a personal matter. Intimate. Why put this on the pages of the media? And then still publicly discuss? Explicit order of power. As soon as the level of education and culture began to fall, all sorts of obscurantists began to creep out into the world, filling the ideological and spiritual vacuum. Then, there are many confessions in the country, shall we fight, or what ?! And yet - in the history of Russia, the ROC takes very little time by historical standards. Why is everyone so stuck in Christianity ?! There is no God anyway!

[Aleks28]

Why is everything in Christianity, there are still Muslims, Buddhists, Jews ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: c1n7

"I almost vomited.

If you feel sick of what many of your compatriots revere, you probably should move to a geyropa. There you will not have a gag reflex, but only one same-sex love. There is no respect for people go to another branch.

[Vanek]

Quote: c1n7

God doesn’t exist anyway!

Then you tell him then.

God is, he cannot be.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Vanek

God is, he cannot be.

Hi Ivan, when a lot of entertainment and everything that’s allowed, God doesn’t need him. He will go to heaven, then the brains will appear, but it will be too late.

[Vanek]

Greetings to Alexander.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

then brains will appear,but it will be too late.

What is true is true.

[Hamul]

And more ...
What the hell does the church demand to return her lost property rights to real estate ????
Imagine what kind of money they want to receive - how much the church had property before the Red Revolution ????????? and everything is not enough for them ((((((((((((((((9

And how many cool temples built with gangster money? Have you ever seen one? I saw, I saw, and not one or two - they amaze with decoration and squares.
And how much did they "forgive" the bandits, officials, etc. ??????????????????????? where is divine justice ???????????????
And another question. Where does the Bible say about the construction of temples? The temple must be at heart in its own !!!

[Uncle]

Quote: Hamul

And another question. Where does the Bible say about the construction of temples?

The Lord himself explained to Moses how to build a temple.

[korvin1976]

Uncle

But is Moses the one from the Old Testament?
If you give examples from the Old Testament, then you can present such that fascism will depart embarrassedly to the side.
The Old Testament and Christianity are still slightly different things. Yes, it is mentioned and used, but Christianity is not built on this scripture.
On the Old Testament, perhaps they wrote "MayKampf", but not like the Bible.

[Uncle]

Quote: korvin1976

The Old Testament and Christianity are still slightly different things.

The entire Old Testament is permeated with instructions for the coming of the Messiah, that is, Christ. For that matter, John the Baptist is an Old Testament prophet. You may not be pleased to hear, but the Israelites are God's chosen people. Only they do not want to know God, and now God's chosen people are Christians, us, Russians. As an example of God's help in the fight against enemies, I will give an example of a victory in the Second World War, Giler was clearly stronger, but he was defeated.

[korvin1976]

So you explain to me, in your opinion, the Old Testament, is it just a book that a savior will come or is it necessary to learn from the texts of the Old Testament?

[Aleks28]

Quote: Hamul

YES AND MAKE THE CHURCH HONEST

Well, do everything in your hands.

[Uncle Serozha]

Quote: T72Б

Well, yes, of course, there are such glitches in genetics. Perhaps such an individual should be slightly genetically modified in order to bring all the orifices of the body to the functional purpose intended by nature (this is where there is scope for genetic engineering!!!)?

It hurts expensive. But taking the belt and tearing it out is just right. And everyone is at the same time.
There is no point in looking for complex solutions where simple ones work (call me intolerant!).

[Aleks28]

Quote: Hamul

And another question. Where does the Bible say about the construction of temples? The temple must be at heart in its own !!!

I answered myself, build there.

[Hamul]

Quote: Allex28

Well, do everything in your hands.

Quote: Allex28

I answered myself, so build it.

Dear - please answer more specifically. You are very difficult to understand)))))))
What to do with the clergy? so that they are honest? I have a solution - but it’s completely radical. I don’t love the church, I have no reason to love it - I am not a slave and will never be a slave.
I believe in myself, but I’m infuriated by hearing a phrase like this question:
Why are there many criminals, lustful people, alcoholics, etc. among churchmen?
Answer: “Churchmen are constantly tempted by the devil; it is very difficult for them to resist.”- and for every difficult question there is a slippery, stupid answer. From which I conclude that they legally rob the people.

PS - did you know that the church is exempt from all types of taxes and fees, and has the right to transport luggage across borders without customs checks??????????

[Aleks28]

Why didn't I answer specifically? And maybe you are being robbed (although I doubt it), but I definitely am not.

Excuse me, but it seems to me that you are just idle talk, so blabbering...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Allex28

Excuse me, but it seems to me that you are just idle talk, so blabbering...

There was no need to apologize. It’s not common for nightclub regulars to treat the church with respect.

[Uncle]

Quote: Hamul

I am not a slave and will never be a slave.

You don't have much choice. Either a servant of God or a slave of sin. There is no third.

[Hamul]

Quote: Allex28

Why didn't I answer specifically? And maybe you are being robbed (although I doubt it), but I definitely am not.

Here is my question for you - do you suggest:

Quote: Allex28

Quote: Hamul AND MAKE SO THAT THE CHURCH WAS HONEST Well, do everything in your hands.

What's in my hands? what resources do I have? Just don’t answer at length, but provide a clear algorithm of actions and a set of methods!

PS - you seem, Allex28, to be completely unaware of the high-profile scandals for which the church itself is to blame - and not mystical attacks from the West.

Here's an excerpt))
Archpriest Vsevolod Chaplin said that the awarding of the Silver Galosh prize for the most dubious achievements to Patriarch Kirill in the nomination “Hands up to the elbows in miracles” insulted the Russian Orthodox Church.

[Aleks28]

The bible says "start with YOURSELF"

[Hamul]

Quote: Allex28

Excuse me, but it seems to me that you are just idle talk, so blabbering...

Yap????? Allex28 - you are very similar to the priests you protect - you are also slippery.
Stop writing in monosyllables - masking behind laconicism - you simply cannot bring a single weighty argument on any of the points of my complaints against the church, otherwise it clearly shows xy from xy.


And by the way, I really started with myself, I don’t like the church, I glorify our ancestors and hate embezzlers. I talk about this openly, I really argue with priests, I read various books, including biblical ones. I have my own opinion - and I am proud that some people thought about the arguments I gave and stopped praising the church, and began to study history.

By the way, answer - why do Russians and Slavs honor a dead Jew and the Jewish faith, which the Jews themselves abandoned, later founding their own faith, Judaism?

[Aleks28]

Apparently the course of my reasoning is not entirely clear to you. What exactly did you do to make it better? Don’t judge, lest you be judged. I’m not killing anyone, I’m just reasoning.

I also study history, so I suggest they exchange data.

[Evil Tatar]

Quote: Hamul

and I am proud that some people thought about the arguments I gave and stopped extolling the church, and began to study history.

Pride is one of the deadly sins...
Excommunication from the Faith (not to be confused with the Church) is an unforgivable sin...

Those. be proud that you forced a person to abandon his faith.

You should be proud of this... I think and am sure that you will regret this...

[Aleks28]

Quote: Hamul

PS - you seem, Allex28, to be completely unaware of the high-profile scandals for which the church itself is to blame - and not mystical attacks from the West.

Yes, you first sort yourself out (in your soul), otherwise I see you are all to blame, and you are an angel.

[Hamul]

Quote: Allex28

Apparently the course of my reasoning is not entirely clear to you. What exactly did you do to make things better? Judge not, lest you be judged.

Do you have a line of reasoning? I don’t judge - I don’t have such a right. I ask you to give your arguments and your thoughts. But apparently you are deprived of them (this is not a judgment but my opinion based on an analysis of your messages ).

[Aleks28]

Speaking of verbosity: Verbosity is not a sign of intelligence. And the facts you cite are like this... A duck, but not all, there is some truth, I just rely on proven facts.

[ars_pro]

Parables "Whom God loves and punishes"

I propose to write a second article, “God is with us, understand the nations and submit” on the topic of spiritual enlightenment and methods of its implementation

[Hamul]

Video in topic
[video] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKAHX2g1avM&feature=player_embedded [/video]
In my opinion, it very correctly reflects modern reality!!!

[Aleks28]

The link doesn't work

[Aleks28]

Quote: Hamul

By the way, answer - why do Russians and Slavs honor a dead Jew and the Jewish faith, which the Jews themselves abandoned, later founding their own faith, Judaism?

From this comment it is clear that you study history (official history believes that Judaism is the oldest religion). I do not agree with the official point of view.

[Hamul]

Quote: Allex28

From this comment it is clear that you study history (official history believes that Judaism is the oldest religion). I fundamentally disagree with this.

Yes, you are right, of course, but I meant something completely different, that Christianity, being a derivative of Judaism, is still not an indicator for Jews))))) Although even the wiki says:
Jesus himself (Hebrew: יֵשׁוּעַ‎) and his immediate followers (apostles) were Jews by birth and upbringing; many Jews perceived them as one of the many Jewish sects. Thus, according to the 24th chapter of the Book of Acts, at the trial of the Apostle Paul, Paul himself declares himself a Pharisee (Acts 23:6)[1], and at the same time he is called on behalf of the high priest and Jewish elders “a representative of the Nazirite heresy” (Acts. 24:5); the term “Nazarite” (Hebrew נזיר‎)[2] is also repeatedly mentioned as a characteristic of Jesus himself, which apparently corresponds to the Jewish status of Nazirs

[Uncle]

Quote: Hamul

“a representative of the Nazirite heresy” (Acts 24:5);

Not true, just nonsense. Nazarite means from Nazareth.

[Aleks28]

I think I have confused you here, please forgive me

In my understanding, Jerusalem (modern) is a remake.

[Aleks tv]

Guys, Dear...
Read your own extreme comments... Again, out of habit, we got into a squabble on the topic. And all of them are specialists in Theology. This is a sin, a sacred topic.
Here's a debate about which is better: an Automatic Loader or a Loading Mechanism in a tank - that's normal.

God exists. And there is Faith.
If this is not clear to someone, excuse me, it means that someone has not yet been in hopeless trouble in life, since they have not come to God. No offense.

And the question “how to believe”... wow... This topic is thousands of years old... There are so many religions in the world, but everyone recognizes that God is one. And how many of their mistakes have these religions already admitted, and how many have not yet. It happens that you come across ministers who are not entirely adequate; they come from our world, and not from Mars.

I repeat once again (I wrote above):
I Believe.
I am Orthodox. And I'm glad about it.
I like to be at services in small (in size) Temples.

There is only one request: guys, don’t blaspheme. A simple man's request.
With respect.

[Uncle]

I will say briefly to all those attacking the Russian Orthodox Church: To whom the Church is not a mother, God is not a Father.

[does it]

and that in Russia we no longer have religions other than Orthodoxy, for me today’s religion is just business and an attempt to manipulate the human masses

[UAZ Patriot]

so it is - only in the good sense of the word, and not in the one you thought!

[amikan]

a person who cannot write in Russian will not be able to master the Orthodox Faith

[does it]

and also many of the Orthodox people do not know how to write correctly in Russian. And as for mastering the Orthodox faith, I don’t need this opium!

[Irbis9]

Quote: kvirit

and that in Russia we no longer have any religions other than Orthodoxy, for me today’s religion is just business and an attempt to manipulate the human masses

It doesn’t matter what religion has become now..... The main thing is that it unites many people in our country.

[does it]

But does it unite?

[Isk1984]

Rather, it divides, there is so much hatred in people right now, no one will give a hand, everyone began to go to church and bow down, but how can anyone be helped, so everyone is for himself.... How much hatred is going on right now, heaps of examples.... and that He needs all this ... He raises his children somehow harshly...

[Yarbay]

Quote: Isk1984

There are so many examples of indiscretion going on right now... and that He needs all this... He somehow brutally raises his children...

You are not studying religion carefully!
God did not promise anyone JUSTICE in this world, he simply gave us the opportunity to choose between right and wrong, good and bad!
True, he knows perfectly well which of us will choose what!
And don’t look for help from anyone other than God!

[korvin1976]

Actually, God did not give people the opportunity to choose between good and bad; when people were created by God, there were no such concepts as good and evil, but only by tasting the apple of knowledge did they know good and evil, for which they were expelled from paradise.
So there was no choice given.

[andrey903]

How can you confess to a butt hung like a gypsy with jewelry that reeks of fumes? In our city, a priest was a Komsomol member, then a trade unionist. In the 90s, he hung around in various parties, but there was no place in the leadership. I had to go to church and grew a beard. As they say, I won’t work anyway

[Yarbay]

Quote: andrey903

There was a pop in our city

Are all priests like this??
And that all people are good and righteous??
Priests are people too, but do you believe in the priest or in God?

[korvin1976]

The fact of the matter is that now they often try to replace FAITH with priests.
Faith is not a church, and certainly not a priest.
Lately I have been observing condemnation and attacks not on VERA, but on priests. But this is still a significant difference.

[does it]

I believe in the Lord, but I don’t believe people who try to speak on his behalf. In the end, all sermons come down to one thing: “give me money”

[amikan]

And I saw burnt bread, so now I won’t eat bread?

[Hamul]

Guys, there is no point in attacking God.
But there are attacks on people who supposedly speak from Him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And these people who speak with the voice of God are 90% just doing business.
By the way, I have no complaints against those priests - living in distant villages, and indeed based on Christian slander. But look how many business pops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will say once again that what the Russian Orthodox Church is doing today resembles zombies - and at all levels of government. Starting from kindergarten (and this is scary - very scary - my wife works in kindergarten - I know that for sure) ending with the army!!!!! We were already turned into bonded people again, with the help of mortgages.

[UAZ Patriot]

Absolute bullshit!

[korvin1976]

I fully support.
In fact, forced initiation into Orthodoxy began in kindergartens and schools. But what about children of other religions?
I am not against introducing children to God and increasing their spirituality, I am all for it, but the way it is done now is simply not acceptable.
I love to talk with a good priest, but as a rule there are very few of them, and mostly there are priests for whom this is just a job, and for the most part they do not understand anything about it. Any more or less literate question puts them in a dead end, to which they cannot answer anything, even the most basic: The power of God can do everything.
And now they are trying to make sure that these same priests teach our children something? I am categorically against this.

[UAZ Patriot]

Well then the street will teach your child

[korvin1976]

I will teach my child myself, and if I can’t do it myself, then kind and correct people will help, and not greedy and stupid priests.
If the need arises, I’d rather take him to a real priest, who is reasonable and believes, and doesn’t act as a bestial and stupidly earn money.

[Uncle]

Quote: korvin1976

I will teach my child myself,

Well, who will teach you? I would like the Lord, but you rebel so zealously against his Church that I’m afraid for you.

[korvin1976]

Firstly, I do not rebel against the church, much less against the Faith, against any Faith.
I have my own Faith, philosophy, you can call it whatever you want, and this Faith means a lot to me. If you want to know more, write in a personal message.
I can only say one thing: my Faith teaches me to live correctly and that’s enough for me.

[Fox]

so much nonsense...does anyone know, dear ones, when (1943) the Russian Orthodox Church became ORTHODOX? you make me laugh...Judeo-Christians are not Orthodox. This is a sect of Satanists in the tree of religions, and now the priests themselves are cutting down this branch. Don’t bother them.

[Bosk]

We have a paradoxical situation......to be Orthodox...and not necessarily to be a Christian....., Orthodoxy has become more than just a branch of the Christian religion, Orthodoxy has become something like Made in Russia, Orthodoxy has become part of our I, and this is our I, and they are targeting it so that it hurts more, but they forgot that it’s scary to wake up a sleeping bear, you won’t have any trouble... and on the subject of attacks on the church... dirt doesn’t stick to the clean.

[RUS-36]

Discrediting the Russian Orthodox Church, in the eyes of the people of Russia, is the main task of the enemies of our Motherland. The faith of the Russian people is an invincible force, the Power of the Spirit, this is the main goal of those who are trying to establish a single world order with control from the United States and Israel. And the human essence of some ministers of the Russian Orthodox Church church gives rise to unrest, we expose ourselves... when the priests of the church drive around in elite BMWs, Mercedes run over people... And this is just what the media are waiting for, which has long had an order for this topic...paid for...work it out, and people “eat up” the news after watching Dom-2 and other crap...

[Uncle]

Quote: RUS-36

And the human essence of some ministers of the Russian Orthodox Church church gives reason for unrest, we set ourselves up... when the priests of the church drive around in elite BMWs, they run over people in Mercedes.

I support the priests from our midst, as we are, so are they. I am going to a monastery to visit a unique person; if he gave his speeches in a city church, he simply would not be understood.

[korvin1976]

Orthodoxy, to some extent, is a unique faith and religion.
Having come to the Slavs, Christianity assimilated the pagan culture of the Slavs and Christianity. Of course, it was based on Christianity, but most of the major, and not only, holidays were taken from the pre-Christian culture of the Slavs.
Only in the Orthodox faith the church accepts pagan holidays and does not oppose them.
A simple example is Maslenitsa, a pagan holiday, but the church does not condemn it.
It would seem that August 2, Ilyin’s Day, is not such a big holiday, but it is still a significant day, and the point is not that this day is an Airborne Forces holiday. On this day, the pagans had a big holiday, Perun's day, and Perun was one of the main gods of the Slavs.
There is this, let’s say, “Gorodushka” event, we call it that, it takes place from July 11 to 14, in the old days it was the celebration of the god Kupavon (the name has changed, I may not call it correctly), now many people know how Ivan Kupala .
And there are a huge number of such examples.
The uniqueness of Orthodoxy is that it did not kill off the traditions of the Slavs, but absorbed them and gave them new life.

[Uncle Serozha]

Quote: korvin1976

The uniqueness of Orthodoxy is that it did not kill off the traditions of the Slavs, but absorbed them and gave them new life.

This is partly true. True, mostly pagan traditions were absorbed by the Orthodoxy of THOSE times, which over time was called Old Believer and began to be eradicated. And they have practically eradicated it; there are still communities of Old Believers in Russia, but there are very few of them.
But the persecution of Old Believers and the introduction of a “new faith” were nothing more than the cleansing of Orthodoxy from pagan traditions. Which was successful.

[ward]

Well, in my opinion, the meaning... of the so-called persecution of Orthodoxy is that the Russian Orthodox Church JSC is being persecuted, so to speak... which in turn is trying to hide behind the ideas of Orthodoxy... with which it has nothing in common...

[amikan]

Do you go to church yourself, or do you get all your information from our pro-Western media?

[AleksUkr]

“There is no campaign against the church,” Russian ethnographer and philosopher Yuri Semenov is convinced. – Spontaneous dissatisfaction with church greed is growing, including among people who are generally sympathetic to the church. Cause? The lifestyle of the elite: flashy, demonstrative luxury - against the backdrop of poverty of the majority of the population.”

[amikan]

I don’t agree about flashy luxury, but they have cars and they live better than simple monks. So what? And before that, they served as simple monks in distant monasteries. And what is screaming where?
But many pseudo-Russian patriots, after the start of attacks on the Russian Orthodox Church (and, accordingly, on Russian statehood), immediately joined the ranks of detractors

[AleksUkr]

Academician D.S. Likhachev publicly said that ancient Russian literature, ancient Russian architecture, ancient Russian icon painting and ancient Russian music represent the highest peaks of all human culture. At the same time, the scientist - the greatest expert on Russian culture - did not at all hide his opinion that the flowering of ancient Russian culture was associated with the Baptism of Rus'.

By the way, Likhachev himself never accepted Orthodoxy - although he was on the verge of death in Solovki

[Bully]

If he had accepted, he would not have been an academician.

[Bully]

Speaking of D.S. Likhachev (from the book by B.I. Bessonov):

"...For example, thirty years ago, one “very revered and influential academician-philologist”, who was giving a public lecture on “The Tale of Bygone Years,” responded to a completely innocent question from the author: “Dmitry Sergeevich, you claim that the tribute to the Khazars is “everything” and a shell with smoke" was symbolic. Could you clarify what the gold content of the shell was at that time and how many natural products (flour, sheep, horses) could be bought with it?" The venerable academician, after listening to the question, looked carefully at the author, wiped his glasses for some reason and said : “You, I see an anti-Semite. I refuse to answer your question. Do you want Jewish pogroms to start again in Russia?"

The author was very young at that time and did not understand what he did to deserve such a sharp rebuke, bordering on insult. But thanks to the venerable academician. It was after this answer that the author remembered the words of Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin, included in the epigraph of this book, and began to study the History of Russia himself. Now I understand the reason for such a sharp reaction from the academician. The question hit a painful point. You can lie as much as you like about the symbolism of the tribute, as long as the gold content of the shell is unknown. But as soon as you find out that the shelyaga had 5 grams of pure gold (Amelchenko, p. 101) and that you could buy a battle boat or a young slave with it, you begin to understand that this tribute was not at all symbolic and “veveritsa” (squirrel skin ) was demanded more as a mockery than the real content of the tribute. This tribute was obviously enslaving in nature; the peasant “smoke,” despite the large number of patriarchal families of that time, obviously could not pay it annually. The Khazars collected arrears with slaves. And every spring our ancestors were forced to give their children and red girls into slavery, to be devoured by the insatiable “Khazar serpent”. It was precisely this revelation that the venerable academician, “the symbol of the Russian intelligentsia,” was frightened of. That is why, after the revolution, every single mention of the Khazar Zmeevich and his terrible annual tribute was removed from Russian fairy tales."

[Magadan]

Yes, you can’t hear enough insults against Orthodoxy, and especially about the mythical “lascivious, money-loving, etc. priests.”
Well, why do you, gentlemen - atheists, pagans and sectarians, take this crap?
I haven’t heard of a single priest with a huge personal mansion and dacha in the Canaries. Give an example of a specific priest like this, then we will talk about the “corrupt Russian Orthodox Church”!
Traitors, of course, were among the priests. Judas was a traitor. Let's assume that the percentage of traitors in the ranks of the Church is approximately the same - 1 in 12. So what of this? Are there any traitors among atheists, pagans and sectarians? Or is the percentage of libertines smaller?
Don't like Christian ideology? Do you like homosexual ideology and all sorts of new trends like juvenile justice?
I just can’t understand - history doesn’t teach us at all? Well, there were pagan states like the Mayans/Aztecs and African sorcerers, and where are they now?
Do you believe in atheism? In Charles Darwin? And where is it, this great godless state of the USSR? He disappeared into oblivion, and having disappeared, he lost half of the lands collected by our Orthodox ancestors!
Apart from all sorts of nonsense, you, “militant anti-Christians,” have nothing to say!
Give examples of successful countries and cultures that did not have One Lord!
Why don’t you want to judge things by the result, but always get involved in gossip and delusional fantasies?
Here are my examples: Science, art, state power and military power developed exclusively in either Christian or Muslim countries. Do you have anything to say to this? Then give examples of Mozarts, Newtons, Avicennas, Korolevs and Leonardo da Vincis from non-Christian (or non-Muslim countries)

[gojesi]

Quote: Magadan

Give an example of a specific priest like this, then we’ll talk

if you please... http://vlasti.net/news/64577

...further - http://densuda.ru/2008/09/29/dementjev_statja/

These examples are a dime a dozen... drug sales by "clergy", pedophilia, drunkenness in many monasteries outside the Golden Ring, ... general... lazy to show, rustle yourself. The only thing I agree with you is just... nothing, all your theses are either from the “false knowledge” category or are very easy to kill. Do you really seriously believe that the “pagans”, the North Indians, were civilizationally inferior to the “Christian” Europeans who civilized them??? In my opinion, the tolerant Indians were 10 heads taller than the Christians...And for the one you call “Gosplod” they had a significantly higher value. I can easily prove..., only in a private message. It’s always difficult to talk to fanatics, any kind, no offense..., and they will interfere!

[Uncle]

Magadan. Thanks for the idea, I banged like a dreadnought with its main caliber.

[Alexander Petrovich]

However, there is also a minority, corrupted by the crafty abomination of anti-Christian ideas, led by the very enemy of the human race, which stops at nothing. These are the ideological descendants of those who destroyed churches in the 20s of the last century, betrayed and shot the family of Emperor Nicholas II, destroyed Russia, erasing the spiritual and moral foundations of Orthodoxy from the consciousness of the people, replacing them with ideological chimeras that are contrary to traditional Russian self-awareness. - nonsense, I am for the Soviet Union, and the revolution happened. because these same believers of “nobility” castigated the Russian people, considered him for Under Communism, the work of the worker and peasant was glorified, now they have returned to pre-revolutionary times. when the people again turned into cattle. and these “nobility” are driving around again, now with flashing lights.

[alex86]

The comments are mostly either paranoid or frankly ignorant from the point of view of elementary theological logic. Under the communist regime there was an expression - religious obscurantism - and so, the main part of the texts given here (I can’t say “thoughts”) are this very religious obscurantism. It turned out that there are quite a lot of people in the country who are rushing into the darkness of the Middle Ages. Lem in the “Star Diaries of Ion the Quiet” has a plot where the newly churched aliens, out of love for the shepherd (having asked him if he wanted to become a saint), applied to him all the possible tortures applied to the martyrs of the faith: they crucified him, removed his scalp, ripped open his stomach, blinded, etc. I suggest that zealous fighters for the faith voluntarily, as an example, edification and proof of their faith, accept the crown of martyrdom, and those who doubt will look (maybe they will believe). And so this is chatter. In general, the degradation of society on religious grounds is deeply regrettable. It's sad, girls...

[gojesi]

Quote: alex86

The comments are mostly either paranoid or frankly illiterate theologians from the point of view of elementary logic

I PARTLY AGREE WITH YOU IN YOUR FIRST MESSAGE IN THE FIRST HALF OF IT. There is also a small part on the site who CORRECTLY see the current situation. In any case, it’s gratifying that people are starting to wake up en masse! For some reason, there is a general misconception that if you are not Orthodox, then you are not Russian, or rather AGAINST Russia. This is certainly not true!
But regarding the “elementary logic of theology,” forgive me, I don’t know anything, and I haven’t even heard of it :) If you’re not lazy, explain what you meant

[alex86]

In one of the comments: ...God was told that in one of the cities... and He decided to look... - complete nonsense, since according to the basic tenets of the Christian faith, God is all-good, all-knowing, all-merciful - that is, in simple terms - wishes the best for everyone, knows everything, forgives everyone. But in general: everything that happens, incl. causing rejection and rejection are known to Him in advance and is done with His permission, although man is chosen as the instrument. Thus, any discussion and condemnation of someone’s actions is vanity and an attack on God’s will: He allowed what happened, and protest is a protest against the will of God, for the ways of the Lord are inscrutable. This is a logical trap. And the job of true believers is to pray.
I myself have an indefinite attitude towards God - I am rather an empiricist, I need evidence, but I have a negative attitude towards the official church in any denomination - they are all anointed with the same ointment, everyone wants to eat deliciously and drink sweetly, this is their way of existing and making a living . I don’t like priests (mullahs, rabbis and what-have-you-all-the-rest).

[Uncle]

Quote: gojesi

I invite zealous fighters for the faith to voluntarily, as an example, edification and proof of their faith, accept the crown of martyrdom,

A person himself is not able to accept such tests.

Quote: alex86

from the point of view of elementary logic of theology.

There is no logic in theology. Logic is the path from God, not to him.

[gojesi]

Quote: Uncle

A person himself is not able to accept such tests.

If at SUCH a level a h-k cannot make decisions HIMSELF, then at this level - “and if he drinks something deadly, it will not harm him...” Is it possible to test the faith of (any) Christian by asking him to drink poison, well, of course, with “faith in god" ???
I see you are quite advanced and orthodox, in this regard, I have a question for you! The question is SIMPLE!!!
So, WHO killed the Gospel Ananias and Safira, who “withheld the price of the house”, from the parable, remember in the “Acts”, where St. Paul says: “Behold, those who buried your husband are coming in... and they will carry you out...”? ??Tell me Dmitry please - WHO KILLED THEM???

[alex86]

If you are not strong, this does not mean that no one is strong, it only means that your faith is not so great and you are not ready to give up your earthly life for the idea of ​​God - I note that this is not a reproach or a provocation - it is normal for an ordinary person in an ordinary situation, it’s just not for you (and not for you). Denial of the logic of theology means, on the one hand, blind faith - then why are you participating in the discussion, After all, you are trying to prove something, and this is only possible with logic, on the other hand, you deny all the philosophical, intellectual and epistemological achievements of all the most prominent representatives of the church of the entire period its existence (and this is a heresy), then all of them should have only proclaimed: I believe, and not interpret Scripture and not express their thoughts on issues of faith. What you proclaim is a statement of your Pride, since you consider it possible to teach and insist on your teachings - and Pride is the main sin of Christianity, since it is an attempt to put yourself on an equal footing with God. Your job, as a Christian, is to humbly pray, including for all sinners, which are all those who are in the church, and for the unchurched, who are not sinners, because due to unbelief they do not know Sin.

[gojesi]

Quote: alex86

If you can't, it doesn't mean that no one can.

the question was not asked to you Alexey, the fact that you answer it means that you are simply “an argumentative about nothing” and in this sense are not interesting to me. Although our attitude towards God, priests and other occult structures is approximately the same...

Quote: alex86

Denial of the logic of theology means, on the one hand, blind faith - then why are you participating in the discussion,

There is no term “logic of theology”; it does not exist in nature. There are terms - Rhetoric, Logic, Sophistry, construction of logical constructions. Why am I involved in a dispute? I am looking for answers to questions that arise as a result of “life” Doesn’t this happen to you, Alexey? So I’m turning to specialists, or to those who declare themselves to be such :) Forgive me :)

[alex86]

The specificity of posting comments is such that the answer does not always follow directly after the question - I was answering not to you, but to Uncle, forgive me if everything was accidentally confused, our comments appeared at about the same time. I cannot agree with the statement that the logic of theology does not exist “in nature”, it’s like in the joke about “w..y” - “w..a” is there, but there is no word - the word logic is compatible with any phenomenon: the logic of war, logic of events, logic of crime, etc., etc. Likewise, in theology there is an internal logic, despite the claims of some that this is the path from God. Forgive me :) And as far as experts in the field of answering the questions of “life” are concerned, we are all experts in this, it’s just that some have a better tongue, some have more aggression than positions, some are ready to discuss it, some don't. But there is no point in arguing at all, no one changes their position, the only point is in the statement. I only got in here because it was interesting to see the orthodox’s answer and I couldn’t stand the demonstration of medieval savagery.

[gojesi]

Quote: alex86

The specifics of posting comments are as follows:

In order to avoid such inconsistencies, I always answer or polemicize with someone, I quote. And in the mail you can immediately see that this is for me, they are writing for the Goy, so I recommend that you practice my experience. In my mail, I can only accidentally find out that you are specifically answering me or opposing me if there is no link to me... Do you understand?
Now according to "L.B-ya" Alexey, if, well, imagine, even it would be official :) Then there would be no religion itself :) All religions are not built on logic, but, sorry, in spite of it!!! A simple example - can God break the Laws (in this case, the Laws with a capital letter) that He Himself deigned to give??? If you follow the Laws of Logic. thinking, then there can only be one answer - NO!!! NO!!! and NO!!! The true God can never break the Law that He Himself commanded us to follow... Thus, how can an egg be fertilized WITHOUT SPERM. Well, even if we assume (logical assumption) that there is always a certain number of free-flying sperm in the air, then another question arises: HOW did it get THERE????? We are told: - with the help of the “holy spirit”..., and this statement, you agree, has nothing to do with Logic, but what does exist is stupid faith!!! or TRUST, in this crap... That's why they, believers, claim that Logic is the way FROM their god..

Quote: alex86

And there is no point in arguing at all, no one changes their position,

Consider your presence here as your small contribution to the great work of opening the eyes of your compatriots. There are a lot of good people and like-minded people here, and almost all of them are Patriots... Many of them sleep... just as I slept in Orthodoxy for more than 20 years...
Sincerely ...

[alex86]

Quote: gojesi

Now according to "L.B-ya"

- In this (and the following) I completely agree, of course, Faith cannot be based on logic. I only meant that any text (for example, Holy Scripture), as well as its interpretation and commentary, are forced to use certain logical constructions. And when this ceases to be enough, then the “true believer” comes into play - “I BELIEVE.” There’s no time for logic here... And about patriots: I agree that almost everyone is a patriot (I’m inclined to think that everyone, since even harsh critics have bitterness in their souls about what’s happening in the country - “there are no evil people, all people are good” “Yeshua, Bulgakov, “The Master and Margarita”, the quote is not verbatim), it’s just that many take a position of complete rejection of dissent at the level of “shoot or deport everyone.” I once wrote here that judging by the texts, many are ready to become “informers and members of firing squads” (well, it’s clear that in the context of that discussion) - so, they called me a troll, but no one refuted my statement, which for me extremely sad and symptomatic. “This is such a bitter cataclysm that I observe here” (Violinist, “Kin-Dza-Dza”)...

[gojesi]

Quote: alex86

Faith cannot be based on logic

Well... you and I are like-minded people :) I am well acquainted with Bulgakov, or rather with The Master and Margot... the only book that I read, closed the last page, opened again and re-read again...
Well, as for fanatics... there is no big difference, Christian or Wahhabi or sidelocks... You can’t argue with them, you can’t talk to them, you can’t even touch them... These, alas, are zombies :)

[Magadan]

[quote=gojesi]these examples are a dime a dozen... drug sales by "clergy", pedophilia, drunkenness in many monasteries outside the Golden Ring[/quote"

I'm asking for specific examples, not women's gossip. I ask for specific cases of all the abominations that you deigned to write. Don't you think it's possible? call anyone a homosexual and confirm this with the phrase "Well, that's what everyone says"?

[quote=gojesi]Do you really seriously believe that the “pagans”, the North Indians, were civilizationally inferior to the “Christian” Europeans who civilized them???[/ Quote]
No offense to the Indians, but they didn’t invent the steam locomotive, the car, the telephone, nuclear fusion, cinema.... Damn, you at least one invention Can you name one that was made in any country with a non-Christian (or non-Muslim) culture? Well, silk, gunpowder, porcelain... what else? Isn’t it a little weak for the huge population of Asia with ancient states?
Well give it to me at least one name at least one pagan Newton?

[quote=alex86]The comments are mostly either paranoid or frankly ignorant from the point of view of elementary theological logic. [/ Quote]
And I’m not saying anything “about the logic of theology.” And I don’t care about all sorts of human reasoning and all sorts of philosophies. Hegel is talking nonsense, Kant refutes it... I am interested in one thing - does the plane fly or not? If it flies, then I will not study its drawings. If it constantly falls, then I don’t care about any smart reasoning, I won’t fly on it.
The same applies to the culture of society. Having adopted Orthodoxy, Russia reached the Pacific Ocean. Coincidence? Having betrayed Orthodoxy and adopted atheism, Russia after 70 years was left with nothing and lost half of its lands. Coincidence again
For some reason, all the countries that adopted Christianity became several heads higher in scientific, military-technical and cultural terms than all the others. Coincidence again
Evidence - almost all scientific discoveries from Newton's law to electricity and genetics. Another proof is the strongest armies. Two British regiments capture India. More proof - Mozart, Chopin, Raphael, Tchaikovsky. Do pagan/Asian cultures have the same names?
WHAT I say is quite cruel, but it's true. And I’m not for colonies, I’m just for a strong country. And for some reason, strong countries can only be achieved with the adoption of Christian (or Muslim) culture.
And you, like other atheists/pagans/who knows who else, again did not provide a single fact, not a single name. And once again I read a bunch of verbiage.
Once again I ask you - give me facts and examples, not your thoughts.

[gojesi]

Quote: Magadan

Once again I ask you - give me facts and examples, not your thoughts

the huge letter has disappeared... So sorry... :(((

the very tip remains... It's a pity the letter is lost...

These fruits" do not make us happier, but multiply our misfortunes, and all this is the "merit" of Christian civilization!!! Yes, plus, let's not forget BANK INTEREST, half of which is used to govern the World!!! Which your Bible allows "shepherds" to withdraw from the herd, this action is even declared there without fail - “and you will lend to all nations, but you yourself will not take from anyone...”

Quote: Magadan

Having adopted Orthodoxy, Russia reached the Pacific Ocean.

You, excuse me, are completely MISINFORMED or deceived... “thanks to” orthodoxy, we, the Russians, who never knew defeat in battle, gave up all of Europe, half of China and the entire Middle East! This is how Ideologies work in practice! Do you still doubt that the Jews NEEDED TO INSTALL THEIR FAITH INTO THE RUSSIANS??? gojesi,

[Magadan]

Quote: alex86

Faith cannot be based on logic.

Once again: the best logic is when the light bulb is on. Then you trust the electrician. Christian culture works. I gave examples of “work”. Science, art, military/economic power. Or do you have other criteria for a strong country?

Quote: gojesi

Well, even if we assume (logical assumption) that there is always a certain number of free-flying sperm in the air, then another question arises: HOW did it get THERE????? We are told: - with the help of the “holy spirit”..., and this statement, you agree, has nothing to do with Logic, but what does exist is stupid faith!!!

Two cockroaches are sitting and arguing that the Internet is not possible in nature. Or two natives are sitting and twirling their fingers at their temples, not believing in nuclear fusion. Don’t you think that 50 years ago if you started talking about the Military Review forum, you would have been sent to a mental hospital? So, what you wrote is impossible, or do you simply not have enough knowledge?

Quote: alex86

since you consider it possible to teach and insist on your teachings - and Pride is the main sin of Christianity,

I consider it my duty to prove that the path of Orthodoxy chosen by my country is the most correct. And I’m just citing specific historical facts and names for this. I’m not writing to you my clever thoughts. And I'm not trying to lecture you. And pride is truly a sin. But God knows, I’m not looking for recognition of the “smartest” here, but I want people like you to really continue to search for the Truth. And we don’t need “blind faith”, but just search and analysis of everything.

[alex86]

Forgive me, for God’s sake, but this is “diarrhea of ​​words, constipation of thought,” “Please express yourself more clearly.” (Professor Preobrazhensky. Bulgakov, “Heart of a Dog”). Forgive me again for my stupidity, what are you talking about? I have no doubt that the democratic path of development of society provides a significant gain in the pace of development, but Christianity has something to do with it insofar as it has provided the opportunity for the development of society. Of course, no one erases from history the role of Christianity (with all its bonfires) and Islam (with the passionarity of its early years). Proving that the path of Orthodoxy chosen by our country is the most correct is a worthy path, but at the same time it is close to the statement that the sky is blue (and at night it is black, and in the clouds it is white or gray). And I, as a citizen of our country, affirm that Orthodoxy is not of significant importance for our country (well, if only because we have not only Orthodox Christians, but also a lot of adherents of other religions, and in addition, a lot of atheists). What matters is the movement of society forward, along the path of development and progress. And if this movement leads to the establishment of orthodox views, then we are going back to the Middle Ages, and at the same time we are degrading. (I wrote all this and I’m thinking why I wrote a response to an incoherent text - after all, the answer, accordingly, turns out to be incoherent - forgive me, Magadan, I won’t answer this nonsense anymore)

[gojesi]

Quote: alex86

the path of Orthodoxy chosen by our country

Alexei! Yes, he is NOT CHOSEN!!! And forcibly impaled! the Jew Vladimir, who, because of his eternally red face from drunkenness, was called “the red sun” by our ironic schurs and ancestors. Born from Svyatoslav and the Jewish woman Malushi-Malki. Magadan is simply misinformed, like the majority of our people! And he proves with foam at the mouth, referring to “objective indicators” of the development of civilization, the unprovable, if he KNEW, he would be guilty, but he doesn’t know... :( But now NOT KNOWING is a SHAME! my ancestors, whom the Orthodox priests plunged into slavery, both physical and spiritual, into the Jewish slave mantle, for a Slav - A SHAME!!! IMHO NATURALLY...
Sincerely ...

[Flooding]

Quote: gojesi

Alexei! Yes, he is NOT CHOSEN!!! And forcibly impaled! the Jew Vladimir, whose face was always red from drunkenness

gojesi,
you are a moral freak. And nothing more. The Orthodox world reveres that same Vladimir as a Saint. Do you live in Finland? So get out there! And don’t go near Russian shrines with your dirty limbs!

Quote: gojesi

Sincerely ...

Don't lie, you don't respect anyone. Otherwise I would have thought ten times before writing such trash.

[gojesi]

Quote: Flood

Don't lie, you don't respect anyone

Before talking mainly with knowledgeable and sufficiently educated people, I think you should learn the minimum rules of good manners. In any case, Ham approached me for the first time. You would never do this face to face, because I would simply hurt you very much and very quickly. You did this vilely and in absentia, in a Christian way, because the most I can do is report your rudeness to the admin...
This is the first!
Second and lastly, I DO NOT need your advice or recommendations. But please take note of my final advice, it won’t be long. - GET EDUCATED!

[Flooding]

Quote: gojesi

In any case, Ham approached me for the first time. Face to face you would never do this, because I would simply hurt you very much and very quickly

There is no need to worry too much about my education. I'm coping little by little. But, you see, the fact is that in order to distinguish a person from a non-human, education is not needed at all. Keep the show off to yourself, you can come to visit and tell about everything you think and show everything you can.
I don’t hide my first and last name; I live in Chisinau. I am the only one here who is called that way, you can find it if you want.
In the meantime, I see a narrow-minded person who believes that his education can replace his lack of morality.
I don’t see any meanness in openly declaring my hostility to the next one... how could this be softer, so that my words remain in place and are not deleted by the admin? Well, okay, I wrote earlier who you are. Opening your eyes to your vile behavior is apparently useless.
If you haven’t caught up, I’ll explain. It’s the same as writing to a believer: your loved one is so-and-so, and then signing below “with respect.” There is no respect here, you're a Finnish fellow.

[gojesi]

Quote: Flood

you can find it if you want

You are a “true Orthodox”, knowing and being sure that you will not receive a slap on the head for insulting a stranger, you are insulting in absentia! Well done! A true "true" hero! Defender, so to speak, and... apologist! Didn't you fight at the barricades in Chisinau? Does your soul require a continuation of the banquet? Go have a beer...., TV head. And don’t ask adults any more, first for educational purposes, then for courses on eliminating rudeness, then for “good manners”, only then I’ll probably start talking to you. Am I making it clear?

[Flooding]

Quote: gojesi

you are a “true Orthodox”, knowing and being sure that you won’t get a slap on the head for insulting a stranger, you insult in absentia

You started insulting me, and not just me. But due to your lack of understanding, you don’t even understand this. Listen, "stranger man", do you want to talk? Let's get in touch. Let's exchange opinions and coordinates. I repeat once again for those who are dull and slow-witted - I am always ready to repeat what was written earlier in person, right to your face.
There are countless leaps like you. But high self-esteem makes you think about your exclusivity. You are as exceptional as a rotten apple that fell from a fruit-bearing tree.

[Flooding]

Dear administrator Smirnov!
A very selective approach to deleting posts.
I repeat - what gojesi writes about Saint Vladimir is moral ugliness.
And what you are doing is either myopia or deliberately playing along with the newly-minted pagans.

[Trapperxnumx]

gojesi,
Thank you for laughing at your stupidity. Apparently, all our (your?) Slavic schurs and ancestors PERSONALLY told you about this?
I'm crying laughing at the so-called. "mind" of our new-language friends. And what they won’t come up with just to throw mud at their history and its rulers.
Finnish Slav

[gojesi]

Quote: Trapper7

Thank you, I laughed at your stupidity

“Neighing” is the lot of horses, or, more softly, animals, or your lot, with beer and the merry fellows from the comedy club.
For your general development (maybe it will be useful, don’t you still laugh?) - J.V. Stalin said about himself: I am a Russian person of Georgian nationality. As for Iz-Torah (i), I gravitate more toward epics, tales, tales, and simply manuscripts. Well, I leave the Is-Tori(s) to you! Be touched..., grow up, get smarter, sober up... Then, perhaps, we’ll talk...
Dmitry, did I make it clear?

[Trapperxnumx]

Quote: gojesi

Be touched..., grow up, get smarter, sober up... Then, perhaps, we’ll talk...

Thank you, Alexander. Only I am no longer a boy or even a young man. And the history of my native country is, in principle, known to me. But I would advise you to somewhat filter “epics, legends, fairy tales”, otherwise, under their guise, they apparently told you all sorts of, excuse me, bullshit))) And you are in vain equating everyone who disagrees with you with the “comedy club” . Well, if what you have stated does not even cause laughter, but this is the most horse-like thing, then it is not I who need to think about it, but you.

[gojesi]

Quote: Trapper7

Only I am no longer a boy or even a young man. And the history of my native country is, in principle, known to me

...then behave like an adult... Once upon a time I thought that I, too, “knew the story.” It turned out no, I don’t know anything, and what I “know” is conditionally the first “roll-up”, covering up a secret, and good secrets are closed in 3-5 roll-ups...
You know, Dmitry... I set out in great detail the reasons why I left Orthodoxy in my personal message, you don’t seem to be a fanatic and you seem to be really interested in the truth. Open my page and SPECIFICALLY POINTS that you can challenge! And if you can’t resist, then there is no way out, as an honest b--ku will need to accept my point of view!!!
And lastly, I left the church when I was accidentally diagnosed with cancer! Note that he didn’t come running to bow down and “beg”..., but he left completely, he didn’t leave like a rat, but he wrote to the patriarch, whom he knew. Then I grew the tumor for a year and a half, and then... but you’re not interested!

[Trapperxnumx]

Quote: gojesi

. Open my page and SPECIFICALLY POINTS that you can challenge!

I went to your profile but didn’t see anything there. Empty... Or our admins are just weird. They blocked a lot of things from our access.

[gojesi]

Quote: Trapper7

I went to your profile but didn’t see anything there. Empty.

yes, it looks like they are stirring up something there... I looked this morning and everything was in place... Here is a link for you, it seems to work -
http://warfiles.ru/3673-pochemu-ya-ne-pravoslavnyy-pochemu-ya-dazhe-ne-hristiani
n.html

[gojesi]

Quote: Magadan

And I don't care about any human reasoning

You DO NOT CARE about Jewish folk tales,
You don't give a damn about sperm flying in the air,
You don’t care about the killer god (this is from the new, not from the old testament) I’m talking about the “god” who KILLED Safira and Ananias.
You don’t give a damn about “God”, who Himself violates the Laws that He previously gave us... That is. gave us “unbearable burdens”, which he himself did not welcome... Use your head, with tales about “hell” and “demons” you won’t scare anyone, only “slaves” in their essence... But not all are Jewish slaves, There are also free ones, sorry, Slavs :)
You are Magadan, forgive me - zombies are not interesting to me either... Above I have already given links to adulterous priests with illustrations, to a bandera-recruiter abbess of a monastery who sells her nuns in the "for the night" mode... Before presenting them, I think you need to take a look to previous answers to you... Or are you just reading yourself?
Now, as for “inventions”... All these are crutches, what do you call “fruits of civilization”, tell me, have you become happy because there are more and more of these fruits??? To be honest, the answer can only be NO!!!

These fruits" do not make us happier, but multiply our misfortunes, and all this is the "merit" of Christian civilization!!! Yes, plus, let's not forget BANK INTEREST, half of which is used to govern the World!!! Which your Bible allows "shepherds" to withdraw from the herd, this action is even declared there without fail - “and you will lend to all nations, but you yourself will not take from anyone...”

Quote: Magadan

Having adopted Orthodoxy, Russia reached the Pacific Ocean.

You, excuse me, are completely MISINFORMED or deceived... “thanks to” orthodoxy, we, the Russians, who never knew defeat in battle, gave up all of Europe, half of China and the entire Middle East! This is how Ideologies work in practice! Do you still doubt that the Jews NEEDED TO INSTALL THEIR FAITH INTO THE RUSSIANS???

[Bosk]

People...if there was no Orthodoxy, then now there would be no Russia within the borders in which it now exists, there would be many principalities, Orthodoxy during the formation of Rus' worked as a cementing component.

[gojesi]

Quote: Bosk

there was no Orthodoxy, now there is no Russia in

when I was a little boy (a very long time ago) we said to each other: “if Lenin had not existed, then you would not exist now...”
Sorry, we have different levels of awareness... There’s nothing to talk about, sorry... Sincerely...

[Bosk]

I took the oath under the red banner....., the communist idea was also, in a sense, a unifying religion, but Orthodoxy made a rather greater contribution to the unification of the Russian principalities, but the communist idea, no matter how beautiful it was in its own way, In essence, it split the country and society.

[Flooding]

Quote: gojesi

“Thanks to” orthodoxy, we, the Russians, who had never known defeat in battle, gave up all of Europe, half of China and the entire Middle East! This is how Ideologies work in practice!

Answer a simple question: where do you live?

[Trapperxnumx]

Quote: gojesi

“Thanks to” orthodoxy, we, the Russians, who had never known defeat in battle, gave up all of Europe, half of China and the entire Middle East!

And on Mars the colony was closed, the apple orchards were cut down, the cosmodromes were plowed open, the rockets were sunk, the astronauts were burned...
And this man talks about disinformation...

[Magadan]

Quote: alex86

I have no doubt that the democratic path of development of society provides a significant gain in the pace of development

Pascal, Newton, Lomonosov appeared during shitcracies, or Christian Monarchies? Did Russia become big and powerful during the shitcracy? Or maybe still during the Orthodox Monarchy?
Your shit democracy is degradation, not development.

Quote: gojesi

You DO NOT CARE about Jewish folk tales,

So you make your conclusions solely based on nationality? There was a holy man Abraham - is this not possible? From him came the Jews, where the Lord the Son was born. The Jews rejected Him and crucified Him, because... they wanted a Messiah who would give world domination. After this, Jews became hated everywhere on earth. In your opinion, it turns out that they “specially stirred up” all this so that people like you would hate them later?
You have interesting logic.

Quote: gojesi

You don’t care about the killer god (this is from the new, not from the old testament) I’m talking about the “god” who KILLED Safira and Ananias

Do you think it’s possible to recognize the Creator (they brought half of their money) and then at the same time assume that He either doesn’t see anything or sees, but they don’t care about it? In my opinion, this is the height of some kind of frostbite! Either recognize God or not. And recognizing Him, trying to “joke” like this is already some kind of inexplicable Satanism, and besides, both of these scumbags wanted to get into the Christian community for some reason. I will also add that the Lord even exterminated homosexuals in Sodom and Gomorrah. Why? Because sometimes, albeit extremely rarely, you have to destroy a rabid scumbag so that he does not corrupt and destroy the souls of the people around him.

Quote: gojesi

All these are crutches, what you call “fruits of civilization”, tell me, have you become happy because there are more and more of these fruits???

Are blacks in Africa happy because they don’t have these “crutches”? Are the North American Indians happy because their country has been conquered and they are sitting on reservations?
Yes, I am happy that my country has become powerful thanks to Orthodoxy and it has not been conquered by anyone and has not lagged behind other countries scientifically.

[gojesi]

Quote: Magadan

Pascal, Newton, Lomonosov appeared during the shitcracies, or Christian Monarchies

Quote: Magadan

Pascal, Newton, Lomonosov appeared during the shitcracies, or Christian Monarchies

“I’m telling you about simple things and you don’t believe me, just as you will believe if I start talking about heavenly things.” This is a phrase from the gospels of your teacher... I have nothing against it, but it seems to me that you are somehow catastrophically short-sighted... Well, how can you not see the obvious and try to prove what is IN PRINCIPLE unprovable?
All scientific discoveries and the movement of civilizational societies along the path of progress forward were made not THANKING, but DESPITE Christianity!!! Remember the fires of Giordano Bruno... They burned millions. In the German villages, villages were left without women... After St. Constantine officially adopted orthodoxy, more than a thousand baths, or thermal baths, were closed in Rome... They walked in the name of “God” and stank! All knowledge was killed in the bud until very recently... Sechenov’s anatomical atlas, church censorship did not allow printing, the circulation was confiscated and completely destroyed... Examples of anti-progressiveness, destructiveness are a dime a dozen - this is the whole history of your church, which ended on the 17th year! In 13, the general, compulsory confession to the troops was abolished; of those who voluntarily confessed, approximately 3% remained. This is for your information..., taken from the memoirs of the Cossack general Krasnov.

[Flooding]

Quote: gojesi

In 13, the general, compulsory confession to the troops was abolished; of those who voluntarily confess, approximately 3% remained. This is for your information...

Is it exactly 1913? Not in 1917 by the Provisional Government?
Yes it was. And much fewer soldiers began to confess (about 10%) and attend prayer services (about 30%). BUT you need to understand what a hectic time began. Another couple of years and the crosses from the churches flew away.
Remember then and how everyone became atheists at once. This is probably also an indicator for you.

[gojesi]

Quote: Flood

Is it exactly 1913? Not in 1917 by the Provisional Government

Well, I’m telling you: I already forgot about what you still want to find out...

Quote: Flood

Remember then and how everyone became atheists at once. This is probably also an indicator for you.

Remember, too, that the entire ideology of Russia at that time was handed over to the Russian Orthodox Church, conditionally - they were the commissars! They brought them up and brought them up for “a thousand years” and continued their education until 1905! They hated the church, not only the laity (Slavophiles) but also the nobility (Westerners). Sermyaga had nothing from it, and there were no prophecies, just chatter and deception... However, everything was as usual... The completely un-Orthodox American R. Casey , Baba Vanga, Komsomol member Lev Fedotov, all the priests taken together are easily pushed behind the plinth... in the sense of prophecies.
Here's the Truth!
Tell me, why has there always been a disdainful attitude towards all priests in Rus'? Don't believe that this happened? Read Pushkin, the fairy tale "About the Priest and ... Balda", read "Gavriliad"
Did you know that the word POP is an acronym? “POP”? These are the Ashes of the Fathers who betrayed... Hence the attitude... Come on... why am I engaging in your educational program...

[Flooding]

Quote: gojesi

Well, I’m telling you: I already forgot about what you still want to find out...

and I say that you forget about the main thing, filling your head with vanity. If you are going to give facts, then let them be reliable. Otherwise, your word is worthless. You remained silent, and I’ll remind you - the year is 1917. Everything seems to be clear. But not for you.

Quote: gojesi

Tell me, why has there always been a disdainful attitude towards all priests in Rus'? Don't believe that this happened? Read Pushkin, the fairy tale "About the Priest and ... Balda", read "Gavriliad"
Did you know that the word POP is an acronym? “POP”? These are the Ashes of the Fathers who betrayed... Hence the attitude... Come on... why am I engaging in your educational program...

If all your proverbial education is based on fairy tales, then the meaning in all sorts of bickering is lost. I see disdain for priests, but in the total number of people like you there are a negligibly small number. But you know what they say - a small bug, yes...

[gojesi]

Quote: Flood

If all your supposed education is based on fairy tales,

not the proverbial, but the notorious... My education also allows me to write correctly and respond to everyone..., including poor students Education also disciplines the brain, structures it, and sharpens it for specific tasks. Example - in order for me to answer you about POP, I had to read the Nth amount of historical literature, A.S. Pushkin, remember a lot, draw conclusions in order to store it later, then, if necessary, unzip it, compress it and convey it to half-educated person in a form accessible to him. Vladimir, am I making this clear?
And again, you are just getting emotional... and nothing of the essence of the questions... and I really have a “contemptuous” attitude towards your “priests”, like drones... There are normal ones among them... but there are so few of them.. They all say, it rots from the head, and also - “What is the priest, so is the coming” Have you heard?
Okay, Volodya, forgive me, I’m not at all interested in you... Believe in yours, and I, have mercy, will believe in mine! That's where we stand!
I won’t answer you anymore and I’m leaving this article, so don’t bother and answer...
... Yes!!! and the very last thing! I never asked you to “guess my Skype”, I said that “you know my call sign.” That's what education gives you - the ability to formulate and concentrate :) That's it! Good luck!

[Flooding]

The ability to formulate and concentrate, huh?
Look at your article on warfiles! You can’t even give exact quotes from the Bible that you criticize! But nevertheless, this pathetic babble is worthy of an answer, if only because there is already too much of it. Someone needs to wipe up after the one who craps.
I think that if you wanted, you could find a couple more grammatical errors in my posts. Well, the flag is in your hands. If this adds to your conceit, then I understand where you get it from so inflated.
Did you learn about the abbreviation POP from historical literature? All that remains is to regret that you read the wrong thing. You crucify yourself, explain how hard your brain works... Are you looking for sympathy? Do not wait. With your obscenity you exclude everything sensual and focus on logic. But where to look for it? In your childhood fantasies on a given topic?

Quote: gojesi

"POP"? This is the Ashes of the Fathers, the Betrayers..

or

SKY - NOGOD
HEAVEN - NOBESA, A place where there are no demons...
RACE - Clans of Ases, Countries of Ases.

Surprisingly, you managed to hit the nail on the head here once. In heaven, in the Christian understanding, there is no place for demons.
And you shouldn’t transfer it from personal correspondence to the forum, it’s not decent.
But to be precise, the phrase looks like this

Well, you know my call sign on Skype. If you don’t know, then “show your wits, soldiers.”

If this is somehow different from my interpretation, then explain to me, poor thing.
Probably lacking "concentration".
You're right about one thing - "communication" has become boring. Goodbye, lost sheep.

[Magadan]

Quote: gojesi

All scientific discoveries and the movement of civilizational societies along the path of progress forward were made not THANKING, but DESPITE Christianity!!!

So the plane flies not thanks to, but in spite of, the talent of the country where its designer was born? Why were brilliant people born exclusively in Christian countries? The Church, therefore, forbade science, but to spite it, the Church, talent appeared in those countries where the education of the individual for centuries was built on the values ​​of Christianity.
Giordano Bruno, by the way, was not a scientist at all. He was a “philosopher” and a seeker of all things mystical. In short, the then Pavel Globa. The Orthodox did not even burn such idiots at the stake, but in some ways you can understand the Catholics when you look now at all this fortune-telling and astrological nonsense. Did you catch Kashpirovsky and Chumak on TV? Remember how our whole country went crazy? So much for Giordano, damn it, Bruno.
Almost all the great scientists were Christians, as they directly said. The Church has never been against real science. I was against pseudoscience and all Satanism, such as astrology and fortune tellers. Why?
Because you cannot enter the spiritual world without preparing your soul. Okay, if you harm yourself, you will actually harm other people. You wouldn’t let a three-year-old boy into the transformer booth to repair the electrical panels, would you?

Quote: gojesi

All knowledge was killed in the bud until very recently...

It’s surprising that in your opinion all knowledge was killed, but for some reason science developed exclusively in Christian countries.
Note - Hindus and all sorts of Hari-Krishnas are engaged in self-improvement, meditations there, they shout about personal development, about the development of talents... And where is the result? Where are their great personalities, great scientists and great scientific discoveries?
Judge by the fruits, judge by the results. Do not believe any human verbiage and “teachings”.
Are you saying Christianity is cruel? And that, after almost all Christian monarchies were overthrown, the world became good? Maybe you think the 20th century is more humane than the Middle Ages with the Crusades?
Although, again, with the Crusades and Bruno's Jordans, make claims to the Pope. We Orthodox Christians have nothing to do with this. For some reason we find a common language with Muslims, but never with Catholics

[gojesi]

Quote: Magadan

The plane, therefore, flies not thanks to, but in spite of

yes, precisely in spite of... Count how many centuries they “pushed, pressed and did not let them in.” For how many centuries DELAYED NTP? So there is no merit, especially to the Russian Orthodox Church. Our talent is determined exclusively..., I don’t even know if you will understand... LANGUAGE!!! In Russian! We are talented, beautiful and healthy solely because we speak the Proto-Language, which is carefully hidden...
Bruno is not a “philosopher,” let alone a “theologian.” Didn't they burn enough inventors? Few kulibins??? Tell me how much more needs to be destroyed for you to finally calm down...? Now, with the help of the general silence of the church, the remaining Slavic population is being completely debilitated with the help of “education.” Well, in their schools they teach normally, but the Slavs, so that by the 10th grade they are at the level of the 4th... Or don’t you know this? Your Magadan church has made slaves out of you...
As for the development of societies, this is for Gumilyov, he explains well that in the North more labor is needed than in the South... well, etc. I agree with him and the church, forgive me, has absolutely nothing to do with it... It seems to be called “Climate Theory of Evolution”

[Flooding]

Quote: gojesi

For how many centuries was NTP DELAYED?

Say it you. It’s even funny to talk seriously about this topic. Let's leave the subjunctive moods. Tell us about the pre-Christian era.
How advanced were the pagans technologically? Perhaps you rode in horseless carriages?

[SBorisS]

The article is verbiage and nothing more.

[Magadan]

[quote=gojesi]yes, precisely in spite of... Count how many centuries they “pushed, pressed and did not let them in.” For how many centuries DELAYED NTP?[/ Quote]

I wonder if the Great Scientists themselves believed that Christianity delayed scientific and technological progress?
Well, what did they say themselves:
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642):In the workings of nature, the Lord God appears to us in an image no less worthy of admiration than in the divine verses of Scripture.
Mikhail Lomonosov (1711-1765) said so well:Truth and faith are two sisters, daughters of one supreme parent; they can never come into conflict with each other, unless someone, out of some vanity and evidence of his own wisdom, slanders enmity against them.
Andre-Marie Ampère (1775-1836) (Formulated the law of interaction between electric currents, developed the theory of magnetism) Through knowledge of the affairs of creation, we rise to the Creator and partly even contemplate His Divine properties.
Louis Pasteur (1822-1895) said so well: “The more I study nature, the more I stop in reverent amazement at the works of the Creator. I pray while I work in the laboratory.”
These people are SCIENCE. And for some reason they do not accuse Christianity of obscurantism. All sorts of losers like Voltaire, Goldbach and the same Bruno accused. They were never scientists. This is the most common herd of “philosophical thinkers.”

quote=gojesi]Our talent is determined exclusively by...,... LANGUAGE!!! [/ Quote]
Scientific discoveries were not made in Russia alone, but ALWAYS in Christian (or Muslim) countries. So your argument doesn't work.

I think it's called "Climate Theory of Evolution"
That's how...Hmmm. Do the Chukchi live in the south? Or other northern peoples of which there are many? So again a miss. There is only one pattern that can be traced: almost all scientific inventions were made in Christian countries by Christian scientists. So much for "obscurantism"

[quote=gojesi]Didn't they burn enough inventors? Few Kulibins? [/ Quote]

Inventors and Kulibins even catholic the church was not burned. Burned Kashpirovsky and Pavlov Glob. Orthodox the church did not burn anyone.

[quote=gojesi]Your Magadan church has made slaves out of you.. [/ Quote]

In the sense that Suvorov, Ushakov, Nevsky, Donskoy are slaves? If they are slaves, then I agree, I am a slave like them. Servant of God.

[vikruss]

Liberalism is heroin for society and the slow death of a nation and culture. Liberalism is the cause of everything vile and vile in our world. And unfortunately, this godless and immoral “creature” uses democracy as a supporting force for its parasitic existence. That is why democratic principles, which in themselves are a positive part of human coexistence, can very quickly turn around and become destructive for society and the people, the nation, the country. If the people are fooled, godless and immoral, accordingly their choice, democratically, will be adequate. Therefore, any democracy is justified in its leaders and ideas. This means only one thing: the choice made will correspond to the moral principles of society. That is why Western liberal ideology, this scum, captures the young generation and processes it with the so-called “new thinking”. By changing the thinking of people, they transform nations and peoples over time to their destructive immoral standards. An example... the West with its theory of self-destruction. But only after nations and peoples reach a certain level of sin and moral decay... God's judgment comes. according to the laws of the universe. Confirmation of this is easily seen in the study of the fall of the Greek, Roman, and Byzantine empires. And unfortunately for our former Soviet system. You cannot against God. All the “ideolists” who declared war on the Almighty and His Principles ended their short, stormy time on earth very badly, and we can’t even talk about eternity now.