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"God does not scold ..." On the topic of persecution of Orthodoxy

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"God does not scold ..." On the topic of persecution of Orthodoxy
Do not be deceived: God will not be mocked. What a man sows, he will reap.
(Gal.6: 7)


Evil no longer puts on masks, hiding behind the traditional "universal" screen. It acts openly, bitterly and arrogantly, aiming at the very heart of Russian civilization — the Orthodox Faith and the Holy Church, the only thing on which Russia and the Russian world stand. Perhaps there was no more powerful wave of persecution of the church since the Bolshevik obscurantism, when crosses were thrown from the bell towers, icons were burned and churches exploded. Now the evil has shifted to a new offensive. A series of monstrous acts of vandalism against Orthodoxy swept across Russia. Reports of new anti-Christian crimes come with frightening regularity. Reprimand of icons, cutting down of crosses, satanic dances in the main temple of Russia - all this, unfortunately, happens to our country, in reality, during our time and our fellow citizens. At the same time, such acts cause an overwhelming condemnation of the overwhelming majority of citizens, regardless of whether they consider themselves to be believers or simply live, as they say, according to their conscience. The filth and chilliness of these acts is obvious to the absolute majority. However, there is a minority, corrupted by the wicked abomination of anti-Christian ideas, driven by the enemy of the human race, who does not stop at nothing. These are ideological descendants of those who trashed temples in 20-s of the last century, betrayed and shot the family of Emperor Nicholas II, destroyed Russia, etching the spiritual and moral foundations of Orthodoxy from the people’s consciousness, replacing them with ideological chimeras contrary to traditional Russian self-consciousness. And then, and now, a relatively small group of people, supported by various “fighters against the regime” who gladly side with the distracted persecutors of faith, are consciously acting against Russia and its church. The obscurantists of the whole world, among whom there are celebrities, rebelled against Russian Orthodoxy. The anti-Christian information campaign has been fully launched and is actively supported by the relevant media all over the planet.

The scale of what is happening is very serious. In the conditions of severe information pressure exerted on the Russian society that has barely begun its return to the holy traditions of Orthodoxy, it is necessary to consolidate all healthy forces that can influence public opinion, having developed in it an unconditioned reflexal rejection of the ugliness being created. Acts of vandalism, aimed at desecrating the feelings of believers and undermining the spiritual foundations of the existence of Russian society, should be interpreted by law unequivocally as a crime, punishment for which is not only inevitable, but also severely.

In the face of the persecutors and through the ugliness they perpetrated by Russia, another challenge was thrown. By creating atrocities, their organizers carefully observe the direction of public discussion and deviations from normal for any morally healthy person to such incidents of reaction, presenting them as "evidence" of the seriousness of the split in society and a high level of hostility towards the ROC. The recent anti-Orthodox acts are test balloons thrown into the information space with the aim of violating the spiritual will and civilization choice of the majority of citizens of the country, with the aim of undermining the authority of the latter, but therefore not less powerful bastion of the Russian civilization - the Russian Orthodox Church. That is why the public reaction to what is happening should be as unambiguous and timely as possible. It should be noted that the struggle for the Faith of Christ, like the struggle for traditional civic morality, does not accept violence, it must take place strictly within the law and take place where the main threat to the moral health of society comes from - in the information space, the space of ideas and opinions.
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  1. andrei332809
    andrei332809 26 August 2012 09: 18
    +33
    the West has always wanted to bring Russian Orthodoxy into a union. Thank God, the ancestors defended their faith, otherwise we would have long ago turned into a number of small principalities, where all sorts of Karls, Franks and Harry would rule. but for some reason the Vatican and with it the whole west will not leave the thought of subjugating us
    1. esaul
      esaul 26 August 2012 09: 33
      +31
      Quote: andrei332809
      The West always wanted to bring Russian Orthodoxy into a union. Thank God, the ancestors defended their faith,


      Greetings, Andrew. A plus. The Orthodox faith has always been a cementing component of Russian statehood, and, in many ways, thanks to it, Russia has passed through all the centuries-old storms with dignity.
      Now the Orthodox faith is subjected to no less vile, unbridled and dirty slander than in the Middle Ages.
      The conversation about some church functionaries is a separate conversation, but the Orthodox faith for many remains an anchor. allowing them to stand in life.
      I am outraged by the transformation of many "creatives" of the white tape, who already in Orthodoxy begin with their verbal D.E.R.M.O.M. rush, forgetting how the years of the beginning of perestroika were shouting at concerts and rallies about their love for the Motherland and the Orthodox faith, and now they are foaming at the mouth and demanding the release of Pusek foul.
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 26 August 2012 09: 39
        +1
        esaulu
        Hello. Church functionaries do not do much harm, but they can bring benefits. Let them earn money. If you need it, everything will be in the common piggy bank. So to say, the reserve for a rainy day for the country.
        I wrote to the knowledgeable one on this topic below.
        Yours faithfully, etc.
        1. starshina78
          starshina78 26 August 2012 19: 03
          +6
          What the "church functionaries" earn, as you called, will never be in the common piggy bank for a rainy day of the state. I will be here alone in my comments, but I will write what I want to say. I am a believer, I go to church (even if not as often as I would like), from a believing family (my great-grandfather and grandfather were priests), but what is going on in my church is not necessary! I was Patriarch Alexy II. A wonderful man, respected, and most importantly, there was not a single scandal with the church and the priests with him. What now ? I do not in any way want to say that Kirill is a bad Patriarch, but see for yourself: scandals associated with the Patriarch (a clock, an apartment in a house on the embankment, a dacha of the Patriarch in the Krasnodar Territory), road accidents arranged by priests on expensive cars, calls, openly calling names and names of the party, to vote, turning the church into a commercial stall (even memorial notes). Is this not true and slander against the Church and the Patriarch? The wrong behavior of the church in the scandal with the Pussics. And most importantly, and the current fuss with attacks and other husks around the church - isn't it someone's order? It is a good thing to catch up with the atmosphere, and then make squads out of the most reactionary environment, tighten the screws, arrange "stick discipline" in the country, and all this under the banner of a struggle for the church. Maybe so?
          1. Oleg1986
            Oleg1986 26 August 2012 23: 43
            +2
            Well, mishandled Cossacks are always and everywhere enough. To me, Patriarch Alexy 2, as if distant from our worldly world, is also, so to speak, closer. But even in his time there were troubles. But they happened just the same in the spiritual realm more. Perhaps then the struggle was fought more precisely on that front. Now everything has shifted to the social part of life.
            As for the stall, in our time there are no candle factories at the churches, and absolutely secular managers in the same Sofrino (where for some reason they install the inflatable Santa Claus for Christmas) are screaming for their products. How then do you want to turn out?

            Of course, I completely agree with the title of the note. However, this cannot be changed so much that we ourselves must somehow fiercely hate these unfortunate people and rejoice a la Clinton reprisals against them. By and large, even the death penalty will be a punishment not so much for a convicted person as a judge, because it deprives a person of a chance for correction.
            You should always look first at yourself. Why is this obscurantism going on? On a healthy body, mold does not grow.
            1. vadimN
              vadimN 27 August 2012 13: 13
              0
              There are no candle factories with churches ???

              Ha ... I hope that RosBusinessConsulting is your authority?

              http://top.rbc.ru/economics/25/07/2012/661562.shtml

              You can find detailed calculations and proofs in the August issue of the RBC magazine.
          2. does it
            does it 27 August 2012 01: 31
            0
            I believe in the Almighty, but I do not believe, do not believe and do not trust people who try to speak on his behalf. by the way, as soon as a scandalous article comes out in, the page on which it is located starts to slow down and fail, why would it !!!!!
          3. vadimN
            vadimN 27 August 2012 13: 09
            -1
            No one is doing more for the collapse of Orthodoxy in Russia than the ROC itself in its present form. I do not want to offend ordinary priests, but the churches are judged by the facts that become known, about those "ministers" who are in sight and heard. And they just get up to doing what denigrates the ROC.
            The church has no right to make such mistakes! Has NOT! Otherwise, it is not a church, but ZAO ROC.
          4. Mervik
            Mervik 28 August 2012 00: 09
            0
            There is no perfect person, and each employee is first and foremost a person. There is nothing perfect. So even in the sun there are spots! BUT!!! Now we are talking about Orthodoxy and the church, and not about people. And all sorts of juvenile sluts in masks go precisely against Orthodoxy! And if anyone doesn’t like a thread, a church minister, let them express their discontent outside the shrines !!!
          5. Flooding
            Flooding 30 August 2012 11: 06
            -1
            Quote: starshina78
            I am a believer, I go to church (albeit not as often as I would like), from a family believer (my great-grandfather and grandfather were clergymen), but what is happening in my church is not necessary

            Let me doubt your words. An Orthodox who attends church, where liturgies always pray for the Patriarch and the entire church rank, would not add fuel to the fire, zealously inflated by non-Christians.
        2. gojesi
          gojesi 28 August 2012 13: 40
          +1
          Quote: andrei332809
          Church functionaries do not do much harm, and can bring benefits

          Oh, sooooo interesting! Can you develop? Only please in PM, not here.
      2. alexng
        alexng 26 August 2012 17: 04
        +3
        Greetings to all Orthodox! Yes, what's going on right now is not clear what. But one thing I can say: God is one, and the providers divorced unintentionally and everyone knocks himself on the chest with his heel, that he is the most correct. And from myself I will say that the most militant faith is the Catholics. How many warriors have they unleashed and are untying now.
        1. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 26 August 2012 18: 41
          +7
          Good comparison with the provider. How to evaluate his work? is there a connection or not, and if so, how fast and high-quality.
          Let’s take the bright holiday Easter, the resurrection of Christ in which, for inexplicable reasons, a blessed fire has already descended once a year for 2000 years. You can talk a lot about the truth of this event, but my mother’s friend was in the temple and told me that before the blessed fire descends, the air becomes like after a thunderstorm, and lightning or strange discharges occur in the air above the dome and in the space of the temple. So, this is me to the fact that this miracle does not happen on Catholic, not on Protestant Easter (by the way there is still a big question, what are they actually protesting against?) Not on a Muslim or Buddhist holiday, but on Orthodox Easter. So which provider gives the connection? Or numerous miracles of saints, in Orthodoxy they are most of all.
          1. ward
            ward 26 August 2012 19: 14
            +2
            By the way, the wife brought candles scorched by the grace of fire ... life-giving ... put painful ... now I believe in miracles ... plus ..
          2. alexng
            alexng 26 August 2012 23: 45
            0
            I am also Orthodox - baptized, but I talked about providers of the new ones, because only in Christianity there are about 32 of thousands of movements and all kinds of formations.
            1. matukha
              matukha 27 August 2012 13: 01
              +1
              That is why we must adhere to the truth of Orthodoxy. All the frenzied hype on occasions that are not worth a damn, only indicates that Western puppeteers were worried that the Church was increasingly influencing the life of Russia. Everything started stirring according to the standard scheme, as it was with the Soviet regime. At first they accuse one person of not understanding what. Then they throw in the slogan that if one is the same, then all are the same, so the organization itself is tarnished. The scheme is as old as the world. Why, then, we won’t learn anything. This is OUR Church. For her ideals, millions of holy martyrs shed blood. But we do not sell our Church for snuff. Because, they say, someone raised a slander to the Patriarch, accusing him of incomprehensibly what. And here the lie, disseminated by the tabloid media, moves to the masses. And if you take into account that the media are already brainwashed, then the lie falls on fertile soil and has grown over with hatred for the Russian Orthodox Church, and therefore for all who consider themselves to be the Orthodox Church. The organizers of this hope that when the critical mass of haters reaches the desired size, the Church will be swept away from the face of the earth by crowds of atheists. But I remember that even the Bolsheviks signed their own powerlessness before the courage of believers from the Bishops to old women and children. God is the head of our Church. And the dregs that pour today on the Church personally bring me even closer to it. We have difficulties, there are also unworthy people, but their number is scanty. We will cope with God's help, with all the problems. And where will the God-haters be, if everyone doesn’t change their minds, I think.
        2. Gregazov
          Gregazov 26 August 2012 20: 45
          +2
          Catholics - schismatics (broke away from the Ecumenical Church). Therefore, they have an inferiority complex and they need to lead everyone.
        3. Mervik
          Mervik 28 August 2012 00: 13
          0
          And it is the Catholics who do not like the Orthodox. Since the time of Byzantium and Constantinople (Istanbul). see story
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 August 2012 15: 00
      0
      AU, which of the moderators on the site right now, answer.
      1. esaul
        esaul 26 August 2012 16: 03
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        AU, which of the moderators on the site right now, answer.


        Yesaul has just entered. What can I serve?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 August 2012 16: 20
          +1
          Valera Natsik Morani nickname, with the Polish flag.
    3. Nubia2
      Nubia2 30 August 2012 06: 07
      0
      Quote: andrei332809
      ancestors defended their faith

      defended? your faith?
      you confuse something.
      Orthodoxy is not our faith, but brought by fire and sword.
      they failed to defend their faith.
      and by the way, they were already a bunch of small principalities.
      And they were just Orthodox at that moment
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 30 August 2012 11: 16
        +1
        Quote: Nubia2
        defended? your faith?
        you confuse something.
        Orthodoxy is not our faith, but brought by fire and sword.


        Nubia2, it is clear that your faith is pagan. And, for sure, you can tell a lot about it interesting. And how the great pagan Russia stretched from Germany to China. Pray to idols, no one forbids.
        But do not speak carelessly about the faith of our grandfathers and great-grandfathers. And no matter how many hundreds and thousands you are, you are just a tiny fraction compared to the Russian Orthodox. Hence your toothless attacks, which is why you are ready to unite in the anti-Christian ecstasy even by the devil himself.
        1. Nubia2
          Nubia2 30 August 2012 21: 24
          -1
          You don’t understand anything about my faith, simply because of the lack of information.
          Itself is rather an atheist.
          And I consider Christianity in general and Orthodoxy in particular (except for non-possessors) exclusively state. Institute for knocking out money and control over you ... compared to which we (following your text) are miserable.
          And about the toothy attacks ..
          Yes, 100 years you did not give up.
          it’s just funny to look at you and your head, Gundyaev (especially when it comes to gifts and other property matters).
          A huge mass of slaves who worship a bunch of hypocrites.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 31 August 2012 12: 21
            0
            Quote: Nubia2
            It’s just ridiculous to look at you and your head, Gundyaev.
            A huge mass of slaves who worship a bunch of hypocrites.

            God's slaves worship the Lord. You worship your golden calf or the triumph of your mind over universal unreasonableness or something else. All that you write from unbelief. What kind of faith are you writing about?
            Quote: Nubia2
            You don’t understand anything about my faith, simply because of the lack of information. Itself is rather an atheist.

            What do you know about my faith? I think very little. Nevertheless, take the liberty to judge.
            How many of you are of different colors. And everyone is trying to bite more painfully.
          2. Dovmont
            Dovmont 1 September 2012 19: 29
            +1
            Yes, we are Orthodox, slaves ..... of God! And we worship not a bunch of hypocrites, but God! Where the money of believers goes, I do not know, I hope that for charitable deeds. Most often we donate to the specific needs of the Church. And whether these sacrifices went there or not, the hierarchs will keep the answer before the Lord. I have no doubt that everyone, both believers and unbelievers, will be the foremost ones to answer. And each for his sins.
  2. volcano
    volcano 26 August 2012 09: 22
    +25
    The church must be protected.
    Whether you believe it or not.
    It is truly a symbol of the state.
    Therefore, to protect atheists, I propose precisely as a symbol.
    There is war and blackening.
    For example, I can not imagine Russia without the Russian Orthodox Church.
    Apparently, the organizers of this persecution also think so.
    1. Armata
      Armata 26 August 2012 09: 38
      +6
      Quote: volkan
      It is truly a symbol of the state.

      Andrew welcome. Here I do not agree with you. Symbols of the state are a flag, anthem and coat of arms. But in Russia there are many faiths and it is impossible to say that the Orthodox faith is fundamental. Why deprive Russian Muslims and other faiths in our homeland.
      1. Kurdalagon
        Kurdalagon 26 August 2012 09: 51
        +13
        Of course, one can also get used to the morning call of the muezzin to prayer, but nevertheless, the majority of the population, even the unbeliever, have the Orthodox cultural landscape closer and dearer.
        1. Armata
          Armata 26 August 2012 10: 39
          +1
          I do not argue. But we have both Tatarstan and Bashkiria. And there everything is a little different.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 August 2012 09: 57
        +9
        Hi Zhenya, why deprive. Orthodoxy is the foundation of our state and the main denomination. I think representatives of other faiths understand this.
        Quote: Steam Train
        Symbols of the state are a flag, anthem and coat of arms.

        Here, here, I agree, it’s the symbols, and the basis of these symbols is ORTHODOXY. You can think differently, you can argue, BUT this is so. Amers also have symbols, but who did they turn down faith in?
        1. Armata
          Armata 26 August 2012 10: 38
          +2
          Hi Sanya. Where do you see a hint of Orthodoxy in the double-headed eagle? Except as on a sovereign cross, and that one is not Orthodox. The tricolor is also not even a hint. We only have a pro-Orthodox church on a thousandth bill.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 26 August 2012 10: 48
            +3
            Quote: Steam Train
            Where do you see a hint of Orthodoxy in the double-headed eagle?

            Eugene, you can make or remove the eagle and the three-headed one, but Orthodoxy will remain, no matter what our flag is. Over the centuries of flags and other symbols of the state, much has changed, but Orthodoxy has remained.
            1. Armata
              Armata 26 August 2012 10: 50
              +7
              Maybe you're right. But I do not go to church. My god is my conscience, and I do not care what to call him, while conscience does not torment me, it means God is with me. And the church personally lost my respect, it became corrupt.
              1. shasherin_pavel
                shasherin_pavel 26 August 2012 14: 18
                +8
                To the locomotive: "my god (in fact, when the god is with a small letter, then this is a pagan god) my conscience ..." Conscience is a bad god, since some people do not have it at all.
                "And the church" if it has lost your respect, then this can be said about any organization. But only religious illiteracy is just getting out of you. The Church has the meaning - "Community", and if you mean the building, then it is "Temple". So what fell so in your eyes? A temple, a community or a parish, or an Orthodox denomination that failed to resist the "Younger Creatures".
                1. Armata
                  Armata 26 August 2012 17: 38
                  +1
                  Quote: shasherin.pavel
                  Conscience is a bad god, as for some it is completely absent.
                  Everything is simple. So they have no god.
                  Quote: shasherin.pavel
                  Church matters - "Community",

                  So we have a lot of communities in our country? Or are we still a single people? And in general, are we so familiar that you can communicate ?.
                  1. shasherin_pavel
                    shasherin_pavel 28 August 2012 21: 25
                    0
                    When in Russia they went to the enemy, "I want to go to you" threatened.
                    The Russians were leading not a brother, but an enemy to "you" to the barrier.
                2. vadimN
                  vadimN 27 August 2012 13: 18
                  0
                  Quote: shasherin.pavel
                  in fact, when a god with a small letter, it’s a pagan god)

                  You, dear, know little about paganism ... By the way, the original Russian Vedism (as one of the directions of paganism) is a very more optimistic and luminous religion than Christianity.
                  1. shasherin_pavel
                    shasherin_pavel 28 August 2012 21: 38
                    0
                    Vadim N: Whatever faith is, and no matter how it shines,
                    since the faith of idols is full,
                    she leads away from our God - Christ.
                    I will not refuse that the imposition of the Lord's Covenants
                    to our ancient position, gave the special Light of Christ.

                    First answer me: Why is the Virgin Mary in Russia, something more revered than Jesus Christ? Then I will find out what you know about witchcraft.
                  2. Flooding
                    Flooding 30 August 2012 11: 27
                    0
                    Quote: vadimN
                    By the way, the original Russian Vedism (as one of the directions of paganism) is a very more optimistic and luminous religion than Christianity.

                    That's your opus about Orthodoxy and radiate optimism and friendliness.
              2. Malyavka
                Malyavka 26 August 2012 16: 32
                +5
                Here, you, the military site, read and understand where the opinion is and where is unnecessary propaganda. Now, if an Orthodox site were read, they would also understand where and what. Many people have the opinion that the church is corrupt, but how did this "public" opinion come about? Everything is the same as here. Special people work, spread false rumors.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 26 August 2012 16: 39
                  +3
                  Quote: Malyavka
                  Special people work, spread false rumors

                  I assure you that I do not have a goal of distributing something, for what, then!
                  In my hometown, about 7-8 years ago I was familiar with the priests of the Russian Orthodox Church!
                  If I tell you what they did before my eyes, your hair will stand on end!
                  On the other hand, I understand that it’s just stuck to the faith and among Muslim clergy there are such!
                  1. Uncle
                    Uncle 26 August 2012 23: 28
                    +9
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    If I tell you what they did before my eyes, your hair will stand on end!
                    And I know the exact opposite, I know, the church helps cripples, the sick, after prisons, and just those who are hard. I know people donating millions to the Temple, and it is being restored. And the abbot does not fatten, but wears a washed-out cassock and tarpaulin boots. and this is at 74 years old !!!
                2. Alexei
                  Alexei 26 August 2012 16: 54
                  +4
                  The church is not corrupt, some of its ministers are corrupt. And what do you want, the church is the work of men.
                  1. Uncle
                    Uncle 26 August 2012 23: 30
                    +1
                    Quote: Alexej
                    And what do you want, the church is the work of men.

                    Church and priesthood are divine. This is not a government organization or a hobby club. The Holy Spirit dwells there.
                3. Dovmont
                  Dovmont 1 September 2012 19: 46
                  0
                  Those who do not want to go to church will find many excuses not to go. Among the Russians there are many baptized, but much less believers. Living in a world of temptations and outright devilry according to Christian canons is very difficult. One must limit oneself not only in lusts, but even in food, to keep oneself within moral boundaries. How many baptized ones bother with the morning prayer rule (15 minutes) and evening prayer (20 minutes)? AND? The same thing. It’s easier to say that the church is corrupt or the patriarch is not the same.
              3. Uncle
                Uncle 26 August 2012 23: 24
                +1
                Quote: Steam Train
                But I do not go to church. My god is my conscience, and I do not care what to call him, while conscience does not torment me, it means God is with me. And the church personally lost my respect, it became corrupt.
                One priest said well that it was time to stop living according to conscience and start living the gospel. In the sense that our conscience is imperfect, to say the least. In addition, we often do not listen to her, we find excuses.
              4. Flooding
                Flooding 30 August 2012 11: 26
                0
                Your god did not create this world, and if something in it changes, then on such a small scale that you should not be offended if no one notices.
                Quote: Steam Train
                My god my conscience

                The most reliable credo of a person who does not have God in his soul. With this putty you can cover up any holes in the eyes of an unbeliever (a little unbeliever, but also a militant unbeliever).
      3. volcano
        volcano 26 August 2012 10: 54
        +7
        Hello Eugene.
        I meant a spiritual symbol.
        As for other religions, I absolutely agree with you.
        Just something is not heard about the abuse of mosques and the persecution of Islam.
        And if we take into account the fact that in Russia there are Russians who are naturally Orthodox, then we could say that the main one.
        Although of course you do not need to put it above the rest.
        But I repeat that mosques are not touched, either because they are afraid (Muslims are hot guys in matters of faith), or because there is no such task.
        And again touch the Muslims, not only the Russian "Muslim regions" will rise, but the entire Muslim world.
        And there is almost no one to defend Orthodoxy except Russians. Serbs and Greeks, but who else ... Bulgarians.
        So it’s precisely we who need to make it clear to all the idiots that you will touch Orthodoxy (and this is just like the faith of our ancestors), we will tear off our hands.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 August 2012 10: 59
          +5
          Quote: volkan
          Just something is not heard about the abuse of mosques and the persecution of Islam.

          Rather, support for Islam and the most radical from the West.
          Quote: volkan
          So it’s precisely we who need to make it clear to all the idiots that you will touch Orthodoxy (and this is just like the faith of our ancestors), we will tear off our hands.

          Andrei, that’s about how it should be, and especially it needs to be understood by journalists who flocked to a little fuss like flies on ..........
        2. Armata
          Armata 26 August 2012 11: 04
          +2
          Andrey +. But mosques do not touch, not because there is no such task. we’re just used to respecting all the faiths that are with us in the world. Take the Buryats, they are generally Buddhists, if my memory serves me right, but we don’t touch them. And in general, recently the issue of religion has become political, which is why I have lost faith in the church, look at how many extremists are from the Orthodox faith, and priests support it.
        3. Yarbay
          Yarbay 26 August 2012 16: 49
          +4
          Quote: volkan
          Just something is not heard about the abuse of mosques and the persecution of Islam.

          I think this is also politics!
          Remember one time around the world, caricatures of a Muslim prophet went to print!
          It was considered almost heroism!
          Then the struggle with the minarets went !!
          Then with the hijab!
          Now in Orthodoxy, they are looking for something!
          It seems to me rather, I am sure this struggle is not between religions, but between believers in God and unbelievers!
          Just at the same time and different religions oppose !!
          1. Uncle
            Uncle 26 August 2012 23: 34
            0
            Quote: Yarbay
            Now in Orthodoxy, they are looking for something!
            Something is quite clear, Brzezinski said that after communism, for us the main enemy is Orthodoxy. So our Church is in the sight of Americans and other evil spirits.
        4. Uncle
          Uncle 26 August 2012 23: 31
          0
          Quote: volkan
          But again, the mosques don’t touch,
          By the fact that there is an Islamization of Russia. Type France and Germany.
        5. shasherin_pavel
          shasherin_pavel 28 August 2012 21: 50
          0
          volkan: Islam is not poisoned in our country - it’s right, but in Europe ... and Muslims were blown up and shot right in mosques during prayer. The last explosion in the mosque has already occurred in Russia, Islamic preachers were killed, one was wounded. In Chechnya, an imam was killed several years ago. It's all past the ears - caricatures of Muhammad in print media, also past the ears.
          We do not remember the Crusades. Then, by the way, Muslims acted more humanely than European "Christians". In the main mosque of Istanbul, Christian frescoes are still not stained, and Islam forbids depicting anything living.
      4. Ustas
        Ustas 26 August 2012 12: 10
        +9
        Quote: Steam Train
        But in Russia there are many faiths and it is impossible to say that the Orthodox faith is fundamental. Why deprive Russian Muslims and other faiths in our homeland.

        If we do not defend the proclamation in Russia, then we will not be able to defend the rest of the faith. And as a result, persecutions began in Russia not only against pro-Orthodox, but also against true Islam (terrorist attacks on the mufti of Tatarstan, explosions in a mosque in Dagestan, etc.). By and large, "crap-mongers" will try in every possible way to slander all those religious institutions that stand for the unity of Russia and are a cementing element between the peoples of Russia.
        1. Malyavka
          Malyavka 26 August 2012 16: 35
          +1
          Everyone understands that the enemy just wants to sow discord between different faiths.
          1. Uncle
            Uncle 26 August 2012 23: 38
            +2
            Quote: Malyavka
            wants to sow discord between different faiths
            Christianity and Islam are not different denominations. If a religious war breaks out, there will be no reconciliation, only after death. The enemies of Russia and the Islamic world are counting on this. God forbid, kill people only because they are of a different faith.
      5. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 26 August 2012 14: 05
        +4
        Steam locomotive. In Russia, there is only one faith in the Lord - our God and the Son of the Living God Jesus Christ. If you mean pagans who give themselves up to idols, I am talking not only about small nations, but about many of today's youth who create idols for themselves on stage or in the cinema. This is also idolatry. It is not at all necessary to create a "Bose" for yourself (you cannot write "God" in the plural, therefore I use a word from the Church Slavonic text of the Bible) by means of folk art from clay or paints, or to collect idols on "Green" bills. All other denominations - all of the same faith, as I wrote in the Lord - our One God and the Son of the Living God - Jesus Christ, but in different churches. It hurt me to look at what was happening in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, because these "young creatures" danced not only in the temple, but inside the monument "Victory in the Patriotic War" in honor of which it was built. In the Military Review there was already an article about the participation of the Lord's forces against the Napaleon invasion. It was the story of a French physician that when entering the territory of Russia, a third of Napoleon's army filled hospitals with dysentery. Even then, people understood the power that the Lord used to protect Russia, and paid tribute to this construction. And now ... This is not hooliganism, but vandalism over the monument and the abuse of faith by "Young creatures". It is a pity that their legs were not ripped out on the steps of the temple ...
        1. Armata
          Armata 26 August 2012 17: 47
          0
          Quote: shasherin.pavel
          If you mean pagans who give themselves to idols, I’m talking not only about small nationalities, but about many, from modern youth, who create idols for themselves on the stage or in the cinema.

          And that they are no longer human? And all just because they do not believe in Orthodox gods? I can not stand such prejudices. By the way, if you have noticed, I am not speaking against the Orthodox God, but I also don’t support the fact that this religion should be placed above all others. And in general, if you return to the issue of the Buryats. What is it you or the synod determined that they are pagans? or what if they do not believe in your god, are they not worthy to live? And in general, I repeat I DO NOT GO TO THE CHURCH, BECAUSE THE CHURCH NOW BECOMES A BUSINESS COMMERCIAL, NOT A SPIRITUAL. And I do not impose my point of view on anyone. If you want, then go to the temple, buy candles, but who said that God wants this?
          1. Uncle
            Uncle 26 August 2012 23: 47
            +3
            Quote: Steam Train
            I DO NOT GO TO THE CHURCH BECAUSE THE CHURCH NOW BECOMES A BUSINESS COMMERCIAL, NOT A SPIRITUAL.
            You can go to the Temple and not buy anything, just stand at the liturgy. During the service of worshipers, God's grace descends, it becomes easier on the soul, I know for sure. And in relation to commerce, but the Temple has to be paid for electricity, heating, and some repairs are needed. Yes, and priests with deacons should eat something. Sorry, I do not want to offend you, but for a pack of cigarettes or beer, many do not spare money, and consider the same amount to be left in the Temple as wasteful.
          2. shasherin_pavel
            shasherin_pavel 28 August 2012 22: 09
            0
            Steam locomotive; God said that He wants Him to be incensed with incense and burnt offerings. But in contrast to our orders, God in the Old Testament, in simple terms, ordered to offer fatty burnt offerings, that is, khorestirin, I meat cleaned of fat, to cook and eat, giving tithes to the priests. And after eating, thank God, and not fasting. And at the expense of the Buryats: I know that the supreme "God" (note with a capital letter, now you will understand why) of the Buryats, translated into Russian sounds like "Oh! Great infinity", you can understand that they understood about the Almighty from the very beginning, more than European Christians, who paint God sitting on the clouds, but here are their idols ... And as for the commercialism of the church: revise "Andrei Rublev". The government of the church must be commercial, otherwise bankruptcy, the Saints are the Light of Christianity. And more ... be weasel ... do not write the word God in the plural - this is paganism in you or religious illiteracy. There are no "gods" in Orthodoxy.
          3. Flooding
            Flooding 30 August 2012 11: 35
            +1
            Quote: Steam Train
            And that they are no longer human?

            In terms of biological? Of course, people. They have all the signs of a reasonable person. Even, moreover, the signs of an unreasonable person are also evident.
            Locomotive, it seems you do not care about your soul. Perhaps you think that man is flesh and corruption and no more? Then why write on every corner about why you don’t go to church? If the truth can be quite different.
          4. klavyr
            klavyr 31 August 2012 12: 48
            0
            Locomotive,
            And that they are no longer human? And all just because they do not believe in Orthodox gods? I can not stand such prejudices.

            Steam engine, if a person does not believe in anything, then this does not give him any right to desecrate other people's shrines. It is necessary to have at least a little respect for the people around, and if there is no this respect, then the person incurs the anger of the humiliated and offended - this must be understood. In general, you must first think, and then do it.
      6. vadimN
        vadimN 27 August 2012 13: 16
        0
        Russia is a secular power. In addition, there are a huge number of religions in Russia, and it would be extremely wrong and dangerous to bring one of them to the leading role. This is a direct path to interfaith conflicts on a nationwide scale. This is exactly what all sorts of white coilers and others like them achieve ...
      7. Flooding
        Flooding 30 August 2012 11: 21
        0
        Quote: Steam Train
        But in Russia there are many faiths and it is impossible to say that the Orthodox faith is the main

        Steam engine, you already wrote about your attitude to the church and Orthodoxy. But this is a subjective point of view.
        But the fact is that without Orthodoxy there would be no Russia.
        With all due respect to Muslims. There would be caliphates, emirates, etc.
        It is safe to say that Orthodoxy is the main and main religion for the Russian state. Or, according to your information, was this country united and strengthened by someone else?
        Put aside tolerance and all sorts of akivoki, let's face it.
    2. FiremanRS
      FiremanRS 26 August 2012 10: 48
      +11
      That's right !!!!! This is our way! I don’t believe it myself and I think it’s all brainwashing. But! This is just my personal opinion, and if a person believes then this is his right. The main thing is not to impose any opinion, not to hinder freedom of choice. Nevertheless, officially in Russia, the "ruling" faith is Orthodoxy, whatever one may say. And I will not allow anyone to insult anyone, which is what I wish for you.
  3. apro
    apro 26 August 2012 09: 25
    +2
    A person serving the Faith of God cannot live in luxury and honor, that’s the reason for the loss of trust and influence of the church in Russia. I somehow looked at a bunch of people with big crosses on maybach and bentles and what they can tell me believe we will show you how faith must suffer. Faith is to sit down and there is God and there are people who suffer for us and they are also persecuted like Jesus Christ at the dawn of Christianity. A man is weak and material problems oppress him without Faith.
    1. FiremanRS
      FiremanRS 26 August 2012 10: 56
      +2
      The worldly affairs of the church are not the cause of the bacchanal in the temple. This is an insult not to the patriarchs, but to the faith itself and believers. The way priests live richly is the subject of a completely different conversation.
  4. Knowing
    Knowing 26 August 2012 09: 26
    +2
    I'm a little annoyed that the patriarch
    drives an expensive foreign car and the cross on his head bends down,
    to crawl into the car and the hat did not fall.
    but Orthodoxy itself, of course, cannot be attributed to this.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 26 August 2012 09: 36
      +1
      the princes of the church always lived in Roshkosh. This is normal. A high state post requires appropriate surroundings. People have always been proud not only of the spiritual wealth of the church, but also of its worldly goods. and many rulers, if necessary, used church wealth for the needs of the state
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 26 August 2012 23: 50
        +1
        Quote: andrei332809
        high public office requires appropriate surroundings

        Right! The position of the Patriarch is bureaucratic, he communicates with worldly people who judge a person by the clock and car. If he arrives on the Volga with a commander’s watch, no one will talk to him.
    2. esaul
      esaul 26 August 2012 09: 36
      +2
      Quote: Knowing
      I'm a little annoyed that the patriarch
      drives an expensive foreign car


      Yes, it annoys many, colleague. No less straining is the quite "worldly" amusements of some clergymen and the ardent desire of the official church to ignore these "innocent pranks". But, you are right - here it is necessary to separate several concepts ...
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 26 August 2012 10: 04
        0
        it’s better to let them have fun like that, and not like Catholics with boys or with relatives.
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 26 August 2012 14: 18
          0
          Quote: andrei332809

          it’s better to have fun like this, and not like Catholics with boys

          Appetite grows with food, maybe it’s up to the boys.
      2. Malyavka
        Malyavka 26 August 2012 16: 41
        +4
        Sin to condemn the ministers of the Temple, the evil one seduces them in a way that no one else dreamed of. Because why is the evil one a sinner? He is already on the right path (to hell). But the ministers .... Therefore, do not judge that which you do not know. It’s better to discuss military affairs.
    3. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 26 August 2012 10: 04
      +10
      Who defiles churches and creates negativity to Orthodoxy? First of all, priests, not clergy, not clergy, but the venal priestly mafia that seized temples and churches. Someone who closes the church on a day sacred to the Orthodox for a baptismal ceremony for a money bag with comrades wearing a bale and a turban. Who kisses the pen of a crime boss for a handout.
      Revive Orthodoxy? It was, is and will be. No force can destroy. There is a split-threat. To prevent this, it is necessary, first of all, to cleanse the church of priests - "businessmen" who, by their activities, slander the church. Their activity is directed not at serving and bringing parishioners closer to the Almighty, but at squabbling and striving to squeeze out as much as possible for themselves. Selling the word is their business. Therefore, churches, churches, chapels are growing. like gas stations. First of all, not for the people, but for their own benefit.
      A person without faith is an animal and a true believer must be led by faith in soul and body, head and heart by a priest. While the main backbone of the priests is "two-faced Janus".
      1. volcano
        volcano 26 August 2012 13: 33
        +3
        Captain Vrungel.
        Everything that you say takes place.
        But there is a substitution.
        And here is what car drives and what watch the patriarch wears.
        Are we talking about clergymen?
        Have the very same guns committed their bestiality out of anger at the patriarchal limousine?
        No colleague. All spitting and bullying go exactly to the ORTHODOX FAITH.
        And not on her servants.
        There is nothing to hide here .... could have been more modest.
        Only now, I doubt that the Russian has the Orthodox faith in his heart .... solely because the patriarch has good eyes.
        HE WEARS IT BECAUSE IT WEARS .... HERE AND ALL ....
        PATRIARCHES AND PRIEST COMES AND GO ........ A FAITH STAYS.
        1. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 26 August 2012 15: 49
          +1
          SW volkan! You confused me with someone. See the posts above. I write that Orthodoxy was, is and will be, and no power will destroy.
          And the priests (please do not confuse with the clergy, these are two big differences), as you say, come and go. Yesterday he wore a party card, today he is wearing a cross. Yesterday he knocked at the KGB; today he serves the FSB. Nothing worldly is alien to them.
          1. volcano
            volcano 26 August 2012 17: 05
            +2
            Captain Vrungel
            So I’m not saying reproach to you, but supplementing it.
            The main thing is not to confuse FAITH and its ministers ..... not always decent
      2. UAZ Patriot
        UAZ Patriot 27 August 2012 07: 12
        +1
        POP shepherd Orthodox sheep, so do not cling to this word. Judge not lest ye be judged. All people are sinful. And Brother I have POP and drives a VolkswagenWagen Passat 5 new and what ??? Do you know how much he needs to plow? Do you know how many relationships with businessmen it takes to build your parish? So that you get bricks and cement, etc. And he himself produces and carries himself and builds himself! This is in the Donbas, I think in Russia in approximately the same way.
      3. amikan
        amikan 27 August 2012 17: 42
        0
        Believe me, there are minuscule priests. And sticking out their exploits (and not giving praise to the majority of ascetic priests) is to be on the other side of the barricade. Like, if not for them, then I would believe. and millions in the temple are fools who do not understand and do not notice. And I alone know best. And churches grow from the needs of the people. not from someone’s desires.
        I myself consider myself Orthodox since 998 and I am glad that I came to the Lord through the help of our Russian Orthodox Saints
      4. Flooding
        Flooding 30 August 2012 11: 45
        0
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Who defiles churches and creates negativity to Orthodoxy? First of all, priests, not clergy, not clergy, but the venal priestly mafia that seized temples and churches. Someone who closes the church on a day sacred to the Orthodox for a baptismal ceremony for a money bag with comrades wearing a bale and a turban. Who kisses the pen of a crime boss for a handout.

        WRUNGEL. For some reason, this negativity in the form of greedy priests cares most of all for people who do not attend the church and do not consider themselves Orthodox. It cares right up to the grinding of teeth.
        Are you all so moral and pure? Let me doubt it. Then what gives you the right to judge others? Moreover, if these others, to the best of their miserable capabilities, pray to the Lord for the forgiveness of their sins.
    4. Svobodny
      26 August 2012 10: 10
      +5
      In your opinion, should the Patriarch walk and in rags? And where are the caps ??
  5. grizzlir
    grizzlir 26 August 2012 09: 35
    +1
    Most of these protests are not directed against the church. They are directed against priests. These priests are to blame for the fact that for them the church and God became a source of income. These priests violate the commandments and then I speak for myself. True servants of God, not priests, remained in provincial, village churches. There really was still faith in God. Remember the Orthodox saints who went into the forests and caves, lived there as hermits and prayed and compare them with the modern higher clergy.
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 26 August 2012 09: 53
      -6
      grizzly
      Vanka married Manka. as his wife became pregnant, he went to the city to the fair.
      Pop came to Manka: well, your husband is so stupid, your child has hands, legs are not finished. and began to finish it in the evenings. Vanka came, Manka to him: oh you are a bum, even a child couldn’t do it normally, he helped a good pop. Well, Vanka didn’t have any reason to conflict with a priest. I’ll give it to the priest to refuse, it’s uncomfortable to go, she says, she’ll give it. Vanka came to the horse: mother, father said that you would give me in the square. .gummy blows on the square, the priest saw from the belfry and yells: you rye, you fool. IGO, IGO
    2. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 26 August 2012 14: 34
      -2
      Most of these protests are directed ...
      He wanted to take revenge on the guard at the cemetery and with a sledgehammer he blasted a hundred tombstones ...
      They also protest against the priests. Well, and the fact that the priests live comfortably ... then this decree was given by the Lord in "Leviticus", they are freed from work for that, so that instead of you they are in prayers for you. And the fact that they are not poor only says that all is not lost for Russia, since the tithes from the people are enough for life and churches. And John the Forerunner and other prophets who lived separately from society are described in the Bible in the First Book of Kings. These are the two hypostases of the church - communities, prophets and hermits are saints, and government is the patriarchy. So it was and so it will be. And without the patriarchate there will be no Siraphim of Sorovsky, Sergius of Radonezh, and without the saints the temple is empty.
      It’s like in an orchestra - the first violin, the second and the conductor.
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 26 August 2012 23: 56
        -1
        Quote: shasherin.pavel
        He wanted to take revenge on the guard at the cemetery and with a sledgehammer he blasted a hundred tombstones ...

        Great comparison.
        Quote: shasherin.pavel
        Well, the fact that priests live comfortably.
        Not all, even in Moscow. Believe me, I know.
    3. Ross
      Ross 26 August 2012 14: 36
      +7
      grizzlir,

      .
      Remember the Orthodox saints who went into forests and caves, lived there as hermits and prayed and compare them with the modern higher clergy.


      The church is a commercial enterprise, with its income, budget and the ability to realize itself in the world. It is there that those citizens who want to make a career in it flock.
      Those Christians who are looking for a connection with God choose exactly the path of solitude, the path of hermitism, forest monasteries, etc. That is, the path of personal modesty and discretion. Remember the wonderful film "The Island". This is not criticism, you just need to understand that personal Mercedes are not needed for sincere service, etc. And by the way, it doesn't matter what kind of religion a seeker professes. We can see many excellent examples of this around the world to prove it. Therefore, I want to see the truth not in beautiful rituals, but in the real actions of people, no matter what faith they adhere to.
      1. Pinochet000
        Pinochet000 26 August 2012 16: 16
        +3
        Quote: Ross
        The church is a commercial enterprise, with its income, budget and the ability to realize itself in the world. It is there that those citizens who want to make a career in it flock.
        Those Christians who are looking for a connection with God choose exactly the path of solitude, the path of hermitism, forest monasteries, etc. That is, the path of personal modesty and discretion. Remember the wonderful film "The Island". This is not criticism, you just need to understand that personal Mercedes are not needed for sincere service, etc. And by the way, it doesn't matter what kind of religion a seeker professes. We can see many excellent examples of this around the world to prove it. Therefore, I want to see the truth not in beautiful rituals, but in the real actions of people, no matter what faith they adhere to.

        Well said, just to the point +
      2. Malyavka
        Malyavka 26 August 2012 16: 43
        -1
        Nonsense. You are very far from the church.
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 26 August 2012 23: 59
          -1
          Malyavka, wanted to give you a plus, seeing that the enemy is not asleep and you are being minus. But the site administration does not order more advantages, or rather a robot. And what Ross said bullshit is for sure.
          1. shasherin_pavel
            shasherin_pavel 28 August 2012 22: 31
            +1
            Uncle and Little: You probably don’t pay for light and housing, taxes are also on the side. Don't spend money on clothes. Just imagine: you come to the temple ... of the 18th century ... and there the gates do not close, the hinges are rusted, there are spider webs on the icons, the domes let rain through like a sieve. You stand in a puddle in the middle of the temple, sigh, cross yourself and say, here it is, holiness, the priest does not even think about his cassock, and does not even mend a hole. Holy man, dirty hands in the hair of lice ... Holiness! He thinks only of God, even for himself there is no time. And best of all, the priest came from the machine and spent the entire pay on the church, so that the domes are golden, so that the roof does not leak, and sewed a cassock for himself, then why should he carry tithes to the church, he himself earns money at the machine. I am not an Orthodox priest, but I have an idea how much money is needed to keep the premises clean, and how much it takes for repairs. It is good that there are kind Russian people who, if not with money, then help with their hands in their profession. Studying the Bible, he wrote "The Revelation of the Biblical Texts", where he put the first chapters of Genesis on a scientific basis, translating the Church Slavonic text of the Bible. Now I am translating the Church Slavonic text into modern language. And I run our prayer room, I'm an excavator by trade.
      3. amikan
        amikan 27 August 2012 17: 53
        0
        The struggle without a true Faith will quickly turn into a showdown with someone specific (a group, dissidents, etc.). Russia has won all its glorious history under the banners of Orthodoxy and will always be so!
    4. amikan
      amikan 27 August 2012 17: 50
      -2
      and now many monks are leaving and praying for us sinners. And the task of priests (for you priests) is to serve among the people. And the Orthodox hierarchs pray and live an ascetic life. It is necessary to see the main thing behind external tinsel. Give GOD many years to Patriarch Kirill, he does a lot, and he began to openly say that he is hindering the development of Russia, for which everyone attacked him. And it’s very unfortunate that people who call themselves parots are very near and they are easily caught by our pro-Western media
    5. Flooding
      Flooding 30 August 2012 11: 50
      0
      Quote: grizzlir
      Most of these protests are not directed against the church; they are directed against priests.

      Yours is not true. This is just a "plausible" pretext. And who is using it? Pay attention to this.
      But for what reason does the unbelievers care how much the Orthodox who visit the church put into the church piggy bank?
  6. maxiv1979
    maxiv1979 26 August 2012 09: 39
    -14
    Russia needed to adopt either Catholicism or Islam, in the future it will be so, rather Islam

    Quote: esaul
    thanks to her, Russia has passed with dignity through all the centuries-old storms.


    in many ways, these storms were provoked by this faith)
    and the priests quickly turn over, what else can they do, except to rattle about eternal life and the desire to eat 3 times a day? "I believe in God, but I don't need intermediaries between me and God" - it is well said. Did God want some to feed others who hide behind his name? I doubt it) Did God authorize these people to speak on his behalf, to forgive sins, to baptize our children, to accompany them with cries after death? I doubt it too. In general, the question is purely political, with what kind of world we will be, Catholic or Muslim, or maybe Orthodox, again we will tear our ass against the whole world, between those and those
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 August 2012 10: 04
      +5
      Quote: maxiv1979
      , in the future it will be so, rather Islam

      And do not hope it will never happen. Betray your faith, even if you understand what you are talking about. If faith is empty for you, then do not litter your brains with others.
      Quote: maxiv1979
      does the god of these people speak on his behalf, forgive sins, baptize our children, escort cries after death?

      The patriarch is the place of God on earth, and if you are a believer, then many of your words do not come close to the faith of which you speak.
      Quote: maxiv1979
      In general, the question is purely political, with which world we will be, Catholic or Muslim, or maybe Orthodox, we will again tear the ass against the whole world, between those and those

      Russia has its own development path, and this has been shown by centuries of the state’s existence. Politics has changed, but the Orthodox faith does not and will not change.
      1. Odessa
        Odessa 26 August 2012 13: 40
        +7
        Alexander Romanov,
        Patriarch, there is God's place on earth

        God has no governors on earth, but there are clergy. These are Catholics, they designated the Pope as God's governor on earth, and blindly believe in the `` infallibility '' (pedophilia, homosexuality and debauchery) of popes and cordinals, and of the entire Catholic episcopate.
        God cannot have a substitute on earth, this is one of the differences between Orthodoxy and the Catholic heresy.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 26 August 2012 14: 37
          -1
          Quote: Odessa
          God has no governors on earth, but there are priests

          Is it the Sun, and who, by the way, is the Patriarch of All Russia, is simply the head of the denomination?
          1. Odessa
            Odessa 26 August 2012 14: 40
            0
            Alexander Romanov,
            Is it the Sun, and who, by the way, is the Patriarch of All Russia, is simply the head of the denomination?

            The sun, in fact, if, following the Orthodox canons, and carefully study the declaration of Metropolitan Sergius of Stargorodsky, then the last patriarch was Patriarch Tikhon!
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 26 August 2012 14: 44
              +1
              Quote: Odessa
              The last patriarch was Patriarch Tikhon

              And the rest, who?
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 26 August 2012 14: 54
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And the rest, who?

                and I would like to know!
                Quote: Odessa
                carefully study the declaration of Metropolitan Sergius Stargorodskog

                Are you implying that there is no autocracy, the anointing of God?
                1. Odessa
                  Odessa 26 August 2012 14: 59
                  +1
                  Yarbay,
                  Are you implying that there is no autocracy, the anointing of God?

                  Speech about another, Holy Tsar Nikolai is still not glorified by the Russian Church in the guise of new martyrs, but is revered by believers as a locally revered saint.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 26 August 2012 15: 06
                    0
                    Quote: Odessa
                    still not glorified by the Russian Church in the guise of new martyrs, but revered by believers as a locally revered saint

                    Sorry, of course, I’m not very good at this, could you explain the difference in more detail ??
                  2. Kshatriy
                    Kshatriy 26 August 2012 15: 17
                    +4
                    Quote: Odessa
                    Speech about another, Holy Tsar Nikolai is still not glorified by the Russian Church in the guise of new martyrs, but is revered by believers as a locally revered saint.

                    The canonization of the royal family is the glorification of Orthodox saints of the last Russian emperor Nicholas II, his wife and five children, who were shot in the basement of Ipatiev’s house in Yekaterinburg on the night of July 16-17, 1918.
                    In 1981, they were voted martyrs by the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad, and in 2000, after lengthy disputes that caused significant resonance in Russia, they were canonized by the Russian Orthodox Church, and are now revered by it as “Royal Martyrs”.

                    Esther-- God be with you ...... I don’t have an icon in the house ...... (somehow I don’t presume to interpret the Torah ....)
                    1. Malyavka
                      Malyavka 26 August 2012 16: 48
                      -1
                      And don’t take it, but quotes from the Internet can copy everything.
                      1. Kshatriy
                        Kshatriy 26 August 2012 17: 39
                        +4
                        Quote: Malyavka
                        And don’t take it, but quotes from the Internet can copy everything.

                        This is not a quote from the Internet !!!! This is an official confirmation of the canonization of the Russian Orthodox Church in the Person of Her Patriarch ......... ooooo ooo how everything is neglected ooo .......
                  3. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 26 August 2012 15: 23
                    +1
                    No, well, what’s being written to me is asked, huh?
                  4. shasherin_pavel
                    shasherin_pavel 28 August 2012 23: 07
                    0
                    Vfubay: Nicholas the Bloody, as those who lived with him called him, alas, do you regard your fathers as fools? handed over the throne to the Grand Duke, and he, seeing what the "Saint" had done, sent him along with the kingdom to his mother. Then there was a constituent assembly and they shot a citizen Nikolai Romanov, but not the tsar, who shot a popular demonstration in 1905. And one more thing: in 1915, five soldiers out of 500 came to the Easter service in the army ... For comparison, in 1914, 450 out of 500 appeared. so Nikolashka consecrated Russia.
                    I do not welcome the shooting of the family of citizen Nikolai Romanov, but do not consecrate Nikolai Palkin with the blood of the people. Did the Decembrists against the Tsar go out of joy for the happy Russian people? They do not make revolutions in joy, and the people of the gentlemen didn’t enrich the bayonets because of the grace that descended from the king and gentlemen.
              2. Odessa
                Odessa 26 August 2012 14: 57
                +2
                Alexander Romanov,
                And the rest, who?

                And after Patriarch Tikhon, a split occurred in the church, into the Red and White churches, as well as into the catacomb ones. And this was the case for many decades, until several years ago the churches reunited.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 26 August 2012 15: 07
                  +1
                  Quote: Odessa
                  and the Red and White churches, as well as the catacomb.

                  Something I have not heard about Belaya and the catacomb !!
                  White is foreign ?? and the catacomb ?? who led ??
                2. Uncle
                  Uncle 27 August 2012 00: 08
                  0
                  Do you mean Patriarch Tikhon Bellavin? And the red church, the one that remained on the territory of the Soviet Union, and the white Church Abroad?
        2. shasherin_pavel
          shasherin_pavel 26 August 2012 14: 39
          0
          Odessa woman: well done, like a sniper, not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 26 August 2012 14: 43
            +1
            Quote: shasherin.pavel
            well done, like a sniper, not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.

            But that's just not my dear.
      2. vadimN
        vadimN 27 August 2012 14: 02
        0
        The Russians once betrayed their original faith and their gods, exchanging them for implanted Christianity ... If we talk about the fact that Russia will return to the original faith, certainly not to Islam or Catholicism.
        Only to the NATIVE Gods of the Russian land - Rod, Veles, Perun, Dazhbog, Svarog ...

        Do not rush to minus, dear. Primordial Russian Vedism is a much brighter and more optimistic, life-affirming religion than "suffering" Christianity. Read, think, compare ... There is a lot of information about this now.
    2. Trance
      Trance 26 August 2012 10: 43
      +6


      maxiv1979, here is your Islam. If Orthodoxy falls, then moderate Muslims will abruptly become immoderate.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 August 2012 10: 54
        +2
        Quote: Trance
        maxiv1979, here is your Islam

        And after that, someone also puts pluses to this maxim of 1979. Here is your Islam in all its "glory"
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 26 August 2012 14: 58
          +3
          Alexander, as I understand it, someone is being killed ??
          So where is Islam ??
          In Islam, the death and murder of one person is equated with the destruction of the universe!
          Ready for peaceful discussion)))
          1. volcano
            volcano 26 August 2012 15: 28
            +3
            Alibek is well said.
            I have long noticed the similarity
            RIGHT and Glorious.
            We have much more similarities than is commonly believed.

            And when I read RUBAI .... it’s a feeling that everything is written about me. smile
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 26 August 2012 15: 41
              +1
              Quote: volkan
              RIGHT and Glorious.
              We have much more similarities than is commonly believed.

              in principles, the pro-glorious are close to the Shiites in spirit, I would say !!
              By understanding, I don’t know how to correctly express in words!
              That’s the only thing I don’t understand in Christianity is the Trinity!
              Many tried to explain to me, but apparently too witty!
              I write without irony!
              1. volcano
                volcano 26 August 2012 18: 57
                0
                Alibek I'm certainly not strong in Paganism

                but I know that there is an interesting coincidence in terms of the presence of the Trinity in Christianity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit) and in Slavic paganism (Rule, Appear and Nav) ... how I do not know about this in Islam ....
              2. Uncle
                Uncle 27 August 2012 00: 17
                0
                Quote: Yarbay
                That’s the only thing I don’t understand in Christianity is the Trinity!
                And the Trinity is not only a Christian symbol. Andrei Rublev's icon "The Holy Trinity" depicts a biblical moment of the pre-Christian era. It depicts God the Trinity while traveling to Sodom. Then God was told that there is a city in which people commit unnatural sins, he expressed a desire to see it with his own eyes. On the way, I stayed with Abraham. The essence of the trinity of deity is incomprehensible. Only if the Lord wants to reveal it to someone. There are many such things, for example, the Immaculate Conception, the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross, etc.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 27 August 2012 07: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: Uncle
                  Only if the Lord wants to reveal this to someone.

                  Thank you very much!
                  You really reassured me, in the sense of my suspicions, about your mental abilities!
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 26 August 2012 15: 31
            +1
            Quote: Yarbay
            So where is Islam ??

            Hi Alibek, the fact that these pigs have nothing to do with Islam is understandable. I was indignant, look at the comment of max 1979, for a person to believe that he will die out. I have not seen such a cheap pen and Orthodoxy is to blame for the fact that everyone attacked us who is not lazy
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 26 August 2012 15: 44
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Hi Alibek, the fact that these pigs have nothing to do with Islam is understandable. I was indignant, look at the comment of max 1979, for a person to believe that he will die out. I have not seen such a cheap pen and Orthodoxy is to blame for the fact that everyone attacked us who is not lazy

              Alexander is another question!
              I understand your opponent is unbeliever and he proceeded from the point of view of profitability!
              But also a moot point, and I am convinced that nothing happens by chance in this world!
              If God wanted Russia to be Christian, then it makes sense!
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 26 August 2012 15: 49
                +1
                Quote: Yarbay
                I understand your opponent is unbeliever and he proceeded from the point of view of profitability!

                Alibek, well, you won’t change faith because of the benefits, it’s insanity, I would say more, but they will ban. One thing is not a believer, but read it, he writes that he believes in God. What kind of faith is this or I believe when it is beneficial in Islam , and the situation has changed, you can rush to the Catholics. I don’t know how to call his faith.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 26 August 2012 16: 00
                  +2
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  read, he writes that he believes in God.

                  Alexander, you yourself answered how you can believe so, today for this, tomorrow for something else!
                  Sorry, but for me he’s an unbeliever !!
                  Or maybe he’s just not a Christian, but believes in God differently!
                  He did not write that he is a Christian!
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 26 August 2012 16: 06
                    +2
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    He did not write that he is a Christian!

                    Even then I can’t imagine what kind of faith it is and what kind of God. Selling in changing the unit, somewhere I've heard that before.
            2. amikan
              amikan 27 August 2012 18: 00
              0
              The attackers attacked, but they got everything in the teeth and will get more.
              But when all the neighbors of Israel (their faith is known and respected by me) attacked this small country in 1967 and were gouged for a week. This is about the modern fighting efficiency and the spirit of these countries
      2. bachast
        bachast 26 August 2012 11: 00
        0
        Don't need it here
        1. Odessa
          Odessa 26 August 2012 12: 13
          +6
          bachast,
          Don't need it here

          Why?
          In Israel, if something like this had happened, this very active beast with a long knife and all this filth would have been put on the wanted list (photos are also printed from the video). And they would find it. You have to answer for everything. I would go for the article terrorism, and waited for the death penalty to be imposed for such nonhumans. There can be no humanity to them, blood for blood!
          1. bachast
            bachast 26 August 2012 12: 30
            +1
            In this video, not only the execution, but also the shame of these contractors.
            the most active beast with a long knife and all this filth

            Arbi Dandaev - he was caught and two more participants in this

            Yes, I forgot- Good day to you!
            1. Trance
              Trance 26 August 2012 12: 54
              +2
              bachast, In this video, not only the execution, but also the shame of these contractors.


              These were not contract soldiers, but guys of 19 years old, served in military unit 3642 Kalachevskaya brigade.
              1. bachast
                bachast 26 August 2012 13: 04
                0
                Yes Vshshniki, maybe I was mistaken with contract soldiers (army rumor at that time)
                and what does it change? are you proud of this behavior?
                1. Trance
                  Trance 26 August 2012 13: 49
                  +4
                  bachast,

                  I'm proud !!! Only Kersky nit is not proud!
                  These vain filths were removed for intimidation, but in a normal person, in addition to a sense of contempt, he will no longer cause any feelings.
                  1. bachast
                    bachast 26 August 2012 13: 57
                    +1
                    I can say one thing. They had a choice both before captivity and at the time. As the running kid did it.
                    To lie down under the knife like a sheep and watch how your friend is being cut, to endure humiliation is not my pride.
                    And for myself, I always had an efk and a cartridge and a knife ..
                    For you, such a death is pride .. your choice!
                    1. Trance
                      Trance 26 August 2012 14: 30
                      +2
                      bachast, I can say one thing. They had a choice both before captivity and at the time. As the running kid did it.
                      To lie down under the knife like a sheep and watch how your friend is being cut, to endure humiliation is not my pride.
                      And for myself, I always had an efk and a cartridge and a knife ..
                      For you, such a death is pride .. your choice!

                      This, dear "hero," you tell or show your parents, not me, how to die in the first battle.
                      1. bachast
                        bachast 26 August 2012 14: 51
                        0
                        I had a conversation with you and I’m saying this to you. And then you transferred your opinion to your parents. Do you not like strong Russians in Poland? I understood this. I also understood this in your words as an annotation to the video
                        here is your islam
                        you so unobtrusively let these Chechens down, who are essentially weaklings, nonhumans, criminals, brought them to talk about Islam. But now you are respected, if you are a "hero" tell this to any Muslim. On the street you will see a Chechen, you approached him and so it is, at ease, as here: -Look dzhigit, this is your Islam!
                        -Then you can talk, discuss the results of your conversations with these Muslims and listen to the opinions of you parents, these dzhigits
                      2. Trance
                        Trance 26 August 2012 22: 43
                        0
                        bachast,

                        I talked with the good Chechen Magomed, in the north of our vast country. He and his brother (I don’t remember the name of his younger brother), athletes, did namaz daily, according to the schedule, in general, exemplary Muslims. The conversation was impartial, if I had dusted, then most likely I had disappeared and had no contact with you now. I asked him on this case in the video, and he asked me about the lawlessness in his homeland in relation to the civilian population, etc., as a result of the conversations came to a standstill (we talked many times).
                        But, the Maga turned this expression "We will win when electricity and other current manifestations of civilization will not come."

                        This is the answer to bachastif you are a "hero" tell it to any Muslim.

                        bachast-Then you can talk, discuss the results of your conversations with these Muslims and listen to the opinions of you parents, these dzhigits

                        Isaac, on the Internet, among the news, there is information about how a Chechen boy beat and mocked his schoolchildren. And his mother said, do not touch my boy, he is good (although in principle every mother will scratch out her eyes for her child). Only this boy had this video in his collection of videos, and who is the "hero" for him, I think there is no need to clarify.

                        Did I answer your question?
                      3. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 26 August 2012 15: 03
                        0
                        Quote: Trance
                        This, dear "hero," you tell or show your parents, not me, how to die in the first battle.

                        If I show you documentary evidence about Christian atrocities, what will you do ??
                      4. Malyavka
                        Malyavka 26 August 2012 16: 53
                        0
                        in this case, the word -Christian- is put in quotation marks, because the words: Christianity and atrocities cannot stand nearby.
                      5. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 26 August 2012 17: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: Malyavka

                        in this case, the word -Christian- is put in quotation marks, because the words: Christianity and atrocities cannot stand nearby

                        I understand that, but no one quotes when he writes about Islam, and I, as a Muslim, am sure that Islam cannot stand next to the word atrocities, terrorism !!
                        I ask you not to be offended, it’s such a rumor))
                        I can’t fix it anymore, I will definitely do it next time !!
                      6. Trance
                        Trance 26 August 2012 22: 57
                        0
                        Alibek, hello. Be so kind as to show documentary evidence about the atrocities of Orthodox Christians. I am sincerely interested, since Orthodoxy is based on tolerance.
                      7. Uncle
                        Uncle 27 August 2012 00: 24
                        0
                        Quote: Trance
                        since Orthodoxy is based on tolerance.
                        At the expense of tolerance, this is a house of tolerance. Patience, and internal. You will be hit on the left cheek, then you know, so the patience of what the Lord is doing to us. Who are we against him? It remains only to endure.
                      8. Armata
                        Armata 26 August 2012 17: 55
                        0
                        Hear a trance. If you are a patriot then why do you change the flags for each koment? Either you are not Russian or you are a traitor.
                      9. Trance
                        Trance 26 August 2012 22: 51
                        +1
                        Locomotive, Hear trance.

                        Dear "Marshal", I didn’t drink with you, what would you poke at me, and even more so you say "hear".

                        Locomotive, If you are a patriot then why do you change the flags for each koment?

                        Ask this question to the browser manufacturer, I am far from the intricacies of the Internet.

                        LocomotiveOr you are not Russian or you are a traitor.

                        Dear, Rousseu is unbelievable. But about the traitor can be more detailed ???
                      10. Armata
                        Armata 27 August 2012 07: 00
                        +1
                        Trance I apologize. He got a little excited on the video. It is clearly superfluous here.
                      11. Trance
                        Trance 27 August 2012 08: 40
                        0
                        Locomotive, Got a little excited on the video. It is clearly superfluous here.

                        Eugene, good afternoon. It may be superfluous, but this is not worth forgetting. I am not a conflict person, just the reaction to the maxiv1979 statement worked.
                    2. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 26 August 2012 15: 02
                      +1
                      Quote: bachast

                      I can say one thing. They had a choice both before captivity and at the time. As the running kid did it.
                      To lie down under the knife like a sheep and watch how your friend is being cut, to endure humiliation is not my pride.
                      And for myself, I always had an efk and a cartridge and a knife ..
                      For you, such a death is pride .. your choice!

                      I understood what it was about!
                      What I will write next is not for you of course!
                      Dear friends, comrades, let's decide if I commit a crime with the name of Christ. Will you consider me a Christian ??
                      Quote: bachast
                      And for myself, I always had an efk and a cartridge and a knife.

                      And after one conversation with a famous clergyman I was forced to abandon the grenade and the last bullet, but there was a man who promised if that did not leave me))))))))))))))
                      1. bachast
                        bachast 26 August 2012 15: 06
                        +1
                        For me, Alibek is worse than dying as in the video
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 26 August 2012 15: 16
                        0
                        Isaac!
                        I understand you, but I assure you this is a difficult question !!
                      3. bachast
                        bachast 26 August 2012 15: 29
                        +1
                        I assure you this is a difficult question

                        I didn’t die, I don’t know. At least I thought of this question for myself in this way.
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay 26 August 2012 14: 56
            0
            And what about the video, in a nutshell can you tell me ??
            We have limitations and I don’t see at work!
            1. bachast
              bachast 26 August 2012 15: 03
              +1
              1999 Dagestan. Russian soldiers and officer surrendered, they were beheaded.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 26 August 2012 15: 13
                +1
                Isaac, I already understood !!
                I do not know!

                Here you are talking about the last bullet and all that!
                I know very brave people whose choice between life and death forced to break!
                Here you can do that action yesterday, do it today, and tomorrow flinch!
                There are very rare people, I call them ideal, who have super nerves!
                After all, any athlete is worried before the fight, but at the right moment he is gathering his nerves in a fist !! But this requires a lot of training!
                I believe that the murder of these people by atrocities committed by non-humans has no religious connotation !!
                Since in Islam and in the hadiths of the prophet there are direct instructions on how to behave with prisoners !!
                If anyone is interested, I can write!
                And what these pigs were doing has nothing to do with it!
                1. tan0472
                  tan0472 26 August 2012 15: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  I believe that the murder of these people by atrocities committed by non-humans has no religious connotation !!

                  Alibek, in your opinion, since this is not a human being, then they deserve to be introduced to a pig’s pig member in the anus (your words these pigs ), and then putting them in their mouth their members killed them? (I write choosing words, as my emotional comments banyat)
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 26 August 2012 15: 53
                    0
                    Quote: tan0472
                    Alibek, in your opinion, since this is not a human being, do they deserve to be injected with a pig member of a pig in the anus (your words are these pigs), and then put into their mouth their members killed them? (I write choosing words, as my emotional comments banyat)

                    I know a Muslim and the Almighty even in revenge forbids crossing the line!
                    That is, I understand you, but if they would ask me for advice, I would say that in the same way to kill them!
                    One of the revered people in Islam was Ali Ibn Abu Talib, the son-in-law and cousin of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), this man was a learned and very strong warrior! The Prophet said about him that if I am the door to the knowledge of Islam, then Ali is a pen from these doors!
                    So when there was a complete assassination attempt on Ali and he was mortally wounded in the head, he lived for another three days, they immediately wanted to tear the killer to pieces, but he did not let him do it!
                    Ali ordered his sons, while I am alive, feed him and drink the same thing as me!
                    In the event of my death, let one of you kill him with one blow, but don’t dare to exaggerate and mock the corpse, that is, cut off your head, ears, etc. And even if he does not die from that blow, let him go!
                    This is Islam!
                    as I understand it!
                    What you described, I can’t accept, because I know that it’s at the Almighty’s place that they will have a lot harder than you described!
                    1. tan0472
                      tan0472 26 August 2012 16: 01
                      0
                      I hoped that after this (as I described) there would be no need to get them to the highest. Do not see them neither peri nor hollow pearls.
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 26 August 2012 16: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: tan0472

                        I hoped that after this (as I described) there would be no need to get them to the highest.

                        Why not !?
                        Everyone will come to Him for judgment!
                        It does not depend on our desire!
                        Quote: tan0472
                        Do not see them neither peri nor hollow pearls.

                        I think so too !! It will be very difficult for killers, for them there are many punishments!
                2. bachast
                  bachast 26 August 2012 15: 46
                  0
                  Yes, Alibek agrees. It’s possible to kill a person not only by fear of death. (I’ll say more, I passed life exams that I don’t want to remember) And that’s why I would try to prevent such a fate. And would you really go to such a slaughter?
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 26 August 2012 16: 07
                    +2
                    Isaac!
                    Believe me too !!
                    I confess to you that I would probably be smashed, but someone or something took pity on me!
                    Why I say probably because this happened to a man whom I would never have believed what could have happened!
                    I don’t know, I asked famous Muslim scholars whether a Muslim can lay hands on himself if he knows that he will be captured and tortured !?
                    Everyone answered no, if he believes in God, then he must understand that this is a test, but they added that if someone does it, maybe the Almighty will forgive him for being Gracious and Merciful!
                    But I was questioned by the word maybe, and I forgot about such a prospect!
                    It’s the same as euthanasia for a painful disease!
                    I think so!
                    For anyone, I am a believer and do not want to blush before God!
                    Probably he would go to slaughter, but he would resist to the last, in the sense he would run !!
              2. mar.tira
                mar.tira 26 August 2012 17: 35
                +3
                Quote: bachast
                surrendered

                And this was the result of the work of the Kovalevs, Novodvorsky, and Alekseevs. The guys give up !!! They are in their own land !!!! You are invaders !!! They will have mercy and let you go home !!! The traitors sat at the very top, and the spirit of internationalism and fraternity not in religion but in ideology still hovered in the souls of ordinary people. Now, you’re talking to a Caucasian, keep your fist clenched. And then people were a little different. For that they paid with their blood!
              3. alexng
                alexng 26 August 2012 19: 58
                0
                I wish this video could be replicated on American resources with the inscription "... they were financed and financed by your government - this is democracy in an American way" (Them financed and finances your government is and there is a democracy in an American way). I think the effect would be much more powerful than the showdown here on the forum.
        2. tan0472
          tan0472 26 August 2012 12: 21
          +2
          Quote: bachast
          Don't need it here

          Necessary. To remember. You need to know them not only by name, but also where their relatives live. Maybe they will play the same donkeys.
      3. tan0472
        tan0472 26 August 2012 12: 18
        +1
        maxiv1979, here is your islam. If Orthodoxy falls, moderate Muslims will abruptly become immoderate..
        These bastards deserve to be beaten with horseradish before they die, and their own in their mouths.
      4. bachast
        bachast 26 August 2012 12: 39
        0
        and why remember Islam? We would recall yesterday’s topic, where Kadyrov says that they were cursed .. Plused.
        Those who cursed them, are not Muslims chtoli?
      5. Dmitry Desnyansky
        Dmitry Desnyansky 26 August 2012 12: 45
        +4
        wet in the toilet.
        Bright memory
      6. volcano
        volcano 26 August 2012 15: 23
        +2
        Trance
        You know ... one of my closest friends is a Muslim Tatar.
        Officer ...... We have been friends for so many years ......
        Never as a true Muslim did he call for violence and the destruction of dissenters.
        This is not Islam .... this is terrorism .... crime and bestiality. And for this you need to chop heads.
        And Muslims are normal guys. I’m telling you this as Russian Orthodox.
        And there are plenty of eestremists everywhere.
        1. Trance
          Trance 26 August 2012 23: 21
          +1
          Andrey, I agree with you. But there is no need to relax.
      7. volcano
        volcano 26 August 2012 15: 46
        +6
        But for this it is necessary to find and execute. Necessarily ..... in public ...
        And it’s not like to shoot there ..... but remember the ancient Russian execution.
        Birch trees.
        But to find mellow all coves ..... and either on birch trees or horses.
        These creatures of nationality do not have faith either.
        And you need to deal with them accordingly. There is no tolerance for anything.
        Dog canine death. AND ONLY DEATH. SCARY ..... TORNING ....
        In order to ... put them in pants before dying ...
        That would be from one word "RUSSIAN" pissing.
        And after all, we can ..... we can, but we cannot .... we play the rules ..... we play the fair court ..... we play the civilization ....
        NO SOME ANIMALS Vainly FORGOTTEN WHO SUCH RUSSIANS.
        WE WILL REMIND!
        The day will come ...... and they will curse the day they were born.
      8. Malyavka
        Malyavka 26 August 2012 16: 50
        0
        True Muslims will not allow this smile
    3. volcano
      volcano 26 August 2012 13: 47
      +2
      maxiv1979
      Do not even hope.
      In the fact that the war began, of course there is a grain of truth, ALWAYS NOT ON OUR FAULT. And this removes the blame from us for this.
      And Orthodoxy in Russia will be as long as at least one Russian is alive.

      And Orthodox tolerance is generally a role model for ALL.
    4. Malyavka
      Malyavka 26 August 2012 16: 44
      0
      Any situation can be skillfully turned in the right direction. It is foolish not to understand this. We must think broader.
    5. Uncle
      Uncle 27 August 2012 00: 01
      0
      Quote: maxiv1979
      rather islam
      Islam? What is this? They are Muslims, and their faith is Islam.
    6. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 28 August 2012 22: 51
      0
      maxiv: Reread the Old Testament, God's Testaments, which Jesus did not cancel.
      It is all overflowing with the ordinances of God, feed the Levites, and do not give land for the cities where the Levites (priests) live, so that they do not create vegetable gardens for themselves. "I believe in God" you write, but how do you say to yourself: "I forgive myself my sins"?
      The priest of "Varyag" under fire carried the wounded to the hospital, which became the captain's cabin, and got off the ship into the boat, holding the wounded captain. Oslyabya and Peresvet were monks of Sergius of Radonezh, who for the first time introduced the rule that a smerd who turns into monks must transfer all his property and land to the monastery, and when cultivating this land, he had to give all the harvest to the monastery, into a common pot.
      And even more than that, he took the land from the peasants, who found themselves surrounded by the monastery lands, in exchange for the marginal lands far from the monastery.
      This is where the commerce in Orthodoxy came from. But thanks to the Orthodox Church, monasteries were built on the border of Russia and the monks became "border guards" of the Russian lands and took the first blow from the enemies. Then our church was not even a militant one, but a defender of the Russian land. And where to get money for the construction of monasteries and weapons?
      Commerce! my brother. Here is such a story of the land of the Russian and Orthodox Church.
    7. Flooding
      Flooding 30 August 2012 12: 07
      0
      Quote: maxiv1979
      Did God want some to feed others hiding behind his name? I doubt it) Did the god authorize these people to speak on his behalf, forgive sins, baptize our children, escort cries after death? I also doubt it.

      How are your doubts reinforced besides the intuitive avoidance of the church?
      Maybe by reading the Bible?
    8. klavyr
      klavyr 31 August 2012 13: 38
      0
      Quote: maxiv1979
      in many ways, these storms were provoked by this faith)

      Storms, as I understand it, all wars and revolutions? What is the provocation here? I don’t catch your logic. In general, each person has a choice - what to believe or not to believe. And no need to "rattle" ...
  7. Ross
    Ross 26 August 2012 09: 41
    +1
    Undoubtedly all these actions against the church are part of the backstage pressure of Western hypocrites aimed at the decomposition, loss of orientation of the people. It is embarrassing to try to translate the defense into emotions in response. In the emotional heat, it is easiest to get people out. It does not pass the impression that some kind of dirty game has been started from above, in order to divert our attention from the main problems. Mnogokhodovka of the same Brzezinski and K.
    1. hrych
      hrych 26 August 2012 13: 15
      +3
      Simply, Mr. Ross, from an exotic attraction, the Orthodox Church has turned into a real force and the core of a nation-forming nation, so the opponents are worried, but late, now all such actions will lead to an orthodox shift in society and the creation of squads to protect shrines, and then the massacre of minorities, all sorts of different, with different orientations, as usual.
      1. Ross
        Ross 26 August 2012 14: 04
        0
        hrych,

        That is, sir, do you think a new religious and political war is ahead?
        1. cc-20
          cc-20 26 August 2012 20: 12
          0
          Mr. Ross, that’s how it began, they announced it to us, they wanted to allow it peacefully — in the legal field, if the ladies would have left the bastard and that’s it, no, let's cross the walls, paint the walls, but any action gives rise to opposition, and unlike godless hooligan shobla as opposed to we get religious orthodox fanatics, ready for the Inquisition and auto-da-fe. It sounds wild, but this is badly enough for us, and the Cossacks are sitting around idle, and the patriarch must pay for these formations, the money is full, the temples are growing by leaps and bounds, but it's time to suspend the construction and concentrate on protecting the church because the church is not in logs, but in ribs.
        2. hrych
          hrych 26 August 2012 20: 22
          +2
          Mr. Ross, that’s how it began, they announced it to us, they wanted to allow it peacefully — in the legal field, if the ladies would have left the bastard and that’s it, no, let's cross the walls, paint the walls, but any action gives rise to opposition, and unlike godless hooligan shobla as opposed to we get religious orthodox fanatics, ready for the Inquisition and auto-da-fe. It sounds wild, but this is badly enough for us, and the Cossacks are sitting around idle, and the patriarch must pay for these formations, the money is full, the temples are growing by leaps and bounds, but it's time to suspend the construction and concentrate on protecting the church because the church is not in logs, but in ribs.
  8. tan0472
    tan0472 26 August 2012 09: 41
    -1
    The speech of the "rabid queens" is, in my opinion, a speech primarily against Putin. And the temple was chosen for this as the most resonant tribune.
    The Orthodox Church is certainly not the main one, but one of the pillars of the state. And any pillar must be protected from "beavers".
    PS Not all experts in religion. What does "Gap. 6: 7" mean? (Do not be deceived: God is not mocked. What a man sows, that he will also reap.
    (Gal. 6: 7))
    1. ICT
      ICT 26 August 2012 10: 00
      +3
      Quote: tan0472
      And any pillar must be protected from "beavers".


      continuing the allegory: the pillars should be of iron concrete or oak trimmed, then even a herd of beavers is not scary.
      that's why I don't like how the situation with "pusi" was resolved, I had to look for another way out, without punishing them and turning them into martyrs
      1. Galina
        Galina 26 August 2012 12: 05
        +2
        TIT.
        They were turned into "martyrs" not by the Orthodox, but on the contrary, by the bogs and Western Satanists, who are acting very harmoniously. Therefore, it is necessary to distinguish the appearance created by Satanists with reality. In addition, the length of this process and the softness in relation to the support of the psek by law enforcement agencies creates the impression of a society's indecision in the fight against evil. It is this indecision that gives strength to Satanists, they hope that the situation will turn in their favor. Because of this, we have a continuation - the "krestopoval" in Russia and Ukraine (this is still, and then it may be worse).
        1. ICT
          ICT 26 August 2012 12: 26
          +2
          Quote: Galina
          but quite the opposite, swamps and Western Satanists

          And I'm talking about what I’m saying, they were given only two years, and they became a banner that does more harm than the incident itself,

          therefore, it was necessary to negotiate differently:

          Well, let’s say nursing in sickhouses for half a year and repenting for the misconduct itself would bring in my opinion a greater result than this real time during which the scandal would only flare up, or, as Leonontiev suggested, just carve and forget (this is for hawks requiring blood )
          1. Evil Tatar
            Evil Tatar 26 August 2012 14: 23
            +2
            There in the zone they will explain all this to them in two years, not childishly ...
            Let the devil sit.
    2. Rebus
      Rebus 26 August 2012 11: 06
      +4

      Quote: tan0472

      The speech of the "rabid queens" is, in my opinion, a speech primarily against Putin. And the temple was chosen for this as the most resonant tribune.

      I do not think that this speech is directed against Putin, and not even against the Church - this is a spit in the face of ordinary people, it does not matter whether they are believers or not ....
      1. tan0472
        tan0472 26 August 2012 11: 07
        +1
        Thank. Read.
      2. Rebus
        Rebus 26 August 2012 11: 11
        +2
        Quote: tan0472
        PS Not all experts in religion. What does "Gap. 6: 7" mean? (Do not be deceived: God is not mocked. What a man sows, that he will also reap.
        (Gal. 6: 7))

        Means literally: "Epistle to the Galatians of the Holy Apostle Paul" chapter # 6, verse # 7
        1. Galina
          Galina 26 August 2012 12: 18
          0
          Quote: Rebus
          Rebus (1)
          Thank you for the excellent quotes and for your position.
          Sincerely.
        2. bachast
          bachast 26 August 2012 17: 58
          +1
          New Testament. There is also such an opinion.
          1. Rebus
            Rebus 26 August 2012 18: 21
            +1
            Quote: bachast
            New Testament. There is also such an opinion.

            It is possible, but in any case, different people have different reactions to the same events. Of the four canonical Gospels, only two were written by His apostles, and the passages I quoted were written by the apostle called after the ascension of Christ ... But the apostle Paul wrote:
            16. All Scripture is inspired and useful for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17. may God's man be perfect, prepared for every good work.
            1. bachast
              bachast 26 August 2012 19: 14
              +1
              Fine!
              1. Uncle
                Uncle 27 August 2012 00: 31
                +1
                Bachast, I heard that when a Jew dies, the rabbi secretly tells him that the Messiah has already come? Have you heard of this?
          2. amikan
            amikan 27 August 2012 18: 05
            0
            Have you read all 4 options yourself? There are no disagreements. They only complement each other.
  9. Trance
    Trance 26 August 2012 09: 58
    +2
    Revaluation of values ​​is now beginning. We will break through with God's help.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 August 2012 10: 06
      +3
      Quote: Trance

      Revaluation begins now

      Not everyone overestimates the values, you can read the comments and everything will be clear to you.
      1. Trance
        Trance 26 August 2012 10: 22
        +1
        Alexander Romanov,

        Alexander good afternoon. I see everything perfectly wink . The boomerang effect, no one canceled (believers call it God's punishment).
  10. baltika-18
    baltika-18 26 August 2012 10: 21
    +6
    Quote: tan0472
    PS Not all experts in religion. What does "Gap. 6: 7" mean? (Do not be deceived: God is not mocked. What a man sows, that he will also reap.
    (

    The Epistle of the Apostle Paul to the Galileans. For 12 years I studied religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), I didn’t get to the rest, I just got acquainted. I came to the conclusion. Very guys it’s harmful. The Bible is more contradictory reading. I didn’t come across the Koran. there is a suspicion of the adequacy of the writer. The Torah, the Talmud, frankly misanthropic works, reminded me of something of the works of Adolf Hitler. God could not give this to people. No wonder in Russia there was a saying "You read the Bible, you will go crazy."

    Quote: maxiv1979
    Russia needed to adopt either Catholicism or Islam, in the future it will be so, rather Islam

    Russia will not accept anything anymore, on the contrary it will be the first country in which traditional religions will disappear. There will be something new (well-forgotten old).
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 26 August 2012 10: 23
      +5
      somewhere I read the conversation of two amas. why Russians after so many mistakes still exist. the second answers: Russian children of God, he protects them. first: so ev-rey are slaves of god. the second: it’s precisely slaves. slaves are punished for wrongdoing. and the Russians are God's children, and you can’t forgive the children
    2. grizzlir
      grizzlir 26 August 2012 10: 27
      +5
      If you look, the Slavic-pagan faith was not so bad. And the Slavic gods did not consider a slave to man, then people were closer to nature and the gods were part of this nature. However, this is a different topic and it does not make sense to discuss it, I’m all the same baptized Orthodox Christian.
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 26 August 2012 10: 42
        +4
        something else hurts me. why Western pagan religions are universally cultivated in the form of all sorts of myths and legends, while the Russian one did not seem to exist. I read the Slavic myths about the pagan gods, the Greek did not stand nearby. and in our myths everything is kinder and less pornographic. "Soviet Russia" edition 1990-91
        1. grizzlir
          grizzlir 26 August 2012 13: 18
          +3
          Quote: andrei332809
          why Western pagan religions are universally cultivated in the form of all sorts of myths and legends, and it seems that there was no Russian religion. I read Slavic myths about pagan gods-Greek did not stand nearby.

          Everything is very simple, the influence of the church in the Russian state is very large and it is increasing every year. The Russian Orthodox Church does not tolerate competition. I remember even Russian folk tales were cursed. Any memory of Slavic gods provokes a stormy negative reaction from the church. Those who are trying to popularize the image of the Slavic ancient life is reckoned among the pagans and devil worshipers. The Russian Orthodox Church even created a department for combating the wrong religions, this department is supervised by the well-known priest Chaplin. In my opinion, there is nothing in common between the devil and paganism.
          1. andrei332809
            andrei332809 26 August 2012 14: 46
            0
            so the Catholics generally burned dissidents. however, everyone will say who such Venus is, but few people know about the fret (not the car)
          2. Uncle
            Uncle 27 August 2012 00: 38
            +1
            Quote: grizzlir
            Any memory of Slavic gods provokes a stormy negative reaction from the church
            Prince Vladimir Krasno Solnyshko began to engage in the struggle with idols.
      2. Uncle
        Uncle 27 August 2012 00: 36
        0
        Quote: grizzlir
        And the Slavic gods did not consider man a slave
        They did not count at all, for they were soulless idols.
    3. Uncle
      Uncle 27 August 2012 00: 35
      +2
      One of my acquaintances studied the "Handbook of Higher Mathematics", "Handbook of Therapist", "Languages ​​of Polynesia" and realized that this is all nonsense, But Three Musketeers, this is a book.
  11. ward
    ward 26 August 2012 10: 31
    -1
    Well, why the administrative formation of the Russian Orthodox Church is positioned as a representative of Orthodoxy ... now, if you wish, you can pray at home ... it does not contradict the canons ... you can also find churches free of these plump priests with sweaty hands ...
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 27 August 2012 00: 40
      +1
      Quote: ward
      Now, if you wish, you can pray at home ... this does not contradict the canons ... and find churches free of these plump priests with sweaty hands ...
      It contradicts how. Orthodox people should take part in worship. And if the plump ones do not fit, go to the monasteries, there are thin ones.
  12. 10mihail
    10mihail 26 August 2012 10: 35
    +3
    It would be necessary to deprive of citizenship, infidels such as "pusi wright" and defilers of shrines. And it would be better if it was fixed by law. Let them dance in the west ...
  13. 6o6er
    6o6er 26 August 2012 10: 39
    +3
    Quote: tan0472
    What does Gap. 6: 7 mean?

    Galatians
    Well, Putin climbed into the affairs of the church and put Gishnik Kiril to rule it, so people began to rank the power and the church as one denominator, with Alexy the second there was no such folly ...
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 26 August 2012 10: 53
      +1
      Pray to God, but don’t believe the Chernigos.
      people go to God, not priests. if some rituals need mediators, then well. and people see everything
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 27 August 2012 00: 45
        0
        Do you personally pray or just reason?
    2. Galina
      Galina 26 August 2012 12: 28
      -1
      Quote: 6o6er
      Well, Putin climbed into the affairs of the church and put Gishnik Kiril to rule it, so people began to rank the power and the church as one denominator, with Alexy the second there was no such folly ...

      Excuse me, what's wrong with you? Where are such conclusions from? Where is your logic?
    3. Uncle
      Uncle 27 August 2012 00: 44
      0
      Quote: 6o6er
      they began to rank the power and the church as one denominator; under Alexy II there was no such folly ...
      The church began to deal with all-Russian affairs. I avoid the word "state" so as not to hear that the church is separated from the state. How is it separated if it communicates with the citizens of this state? The Church began to influence the minds of those who hold power. Not all of them to dance to the tune of amers.
  14. baltika-18
    baltika-18 26 August 2012 10: 48
    +6
    Few people know that until the 17th century Orthodoxy did not exist. The name was such a peasant faith of Greek law. Orthodoxy began to be called from the 17th century after the Nikon reform. At the same time serfdom was introduced, before this slavery was not in Russia. I do not quite understand the title of the article . What kind of persecution. The Russian Orthodox Church is the richest organization: there are no sea outlets, no taxes, prices for services are crazy, we have a funeral service for the deceased cost 1500 rubles (10 minutes to wave the censer). It’s the same with Muslims. There’s so much mufti on one hajj that I didn’t dream. So, guys, when religions turn into a very profitable business, it means they go through a point of no return, then non-existence.
    1. ward
      ward 26 August 2012 11: 28
      +4
      That's for sure ... in Vinnovka, near Samara, we’ve removed such a cottage ... like a man’s monastery ... with a beach ... and girls on the beach in extreme swimsuits ... but the Iversky convent is not shaky ... Mother Superior does not get along with the regional church authorities ... on the basis of the behavior of this very authorities ...
    2. Uncle
      Uncle 27 August 2012 00: 47
      0
      Quote: baltika-18
      our funeral service for a dead person costs 1500 rubles
      Well, don’t pay, don’t do funerals at all, pray at home like Baptists.
  15. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 26 August 2012 10: 59
    +1
    scary and terrible not from the attacks themselves, but from the indifference of others.
    take the same situation with crazy pussies, how many sayings that the "girls" did not do anything terrible, now here is the second stage of this action, cutting down the crosses, to catch it in public and to the monastery on the Solovki
    1. 10mihail
      10mihail 26 August 2012 11: 08
      0
      I think it’s necessary to drive such people out of Russia !!!!!!!!!!!
  16. korvin1976
    korvin1976 26 August 2012 11: 05
    +1
    The Russian Orthodox Church is not the Orthodox faith, whatever one may say. Church and Faith are two big differences. For the most part, faith is the same for all Christians (Orthodox, Catholic, Protestant, Apostolic) and Muslims. We all believe in one god, but there are small differences, and these differences are primarily created by the church.
    Why crucified Jesus? For faith? To some extent, yes, but ......... the truth, as they say, is somewhere nearby. Jesus was crucified because he drove traders out of the temple, and this is the fundamental reason, it was then attributed to the heap. Prior to the expulsion of the merchants, he lived, preached, and no one touched or condemned him for his faith, and here he encroached on the merchants.
    And what are we observing now? For which Jesus was crucified the same thing is happening now in almost all Orthodox churches, the dominance of merchants. And letting these church tents belong to the church, and not to private entrepreneurs (although not a fact), but merchantry as it was and still is merchandising. I perfectly understand that church paraphernalia is important: candles, icons, crosses, etc., but trade it outside the temple, and not inside.
    Faith and the church cannot be disturbed; these are two different things. You can believe and be a true believer, but do not go to church. Temples were created primarily so that ordinary people could come and ask for advice from God, from the clergyman. If you believe and find in faith all the answers in your life, the church as such is not needed.
    And of the most, for the most part, what is happening now, there is persecution, not of Faith, namely, the church with its rotten and corrupt churchmen, not all of course, but unfortunately the majority.
    1. darkman70
      darkman70 26 August 2012 11: 46
      +5
      And of the most, for the most part, what is happening now, there is persecution, not of Faith, namely, the church with its rotten and corrupt churchmen, not all of course, but unfortunately the majority

      korvin1976 is very naive to think so. This is exactly what the enemies of the Russian people use. Is things better in other churches? Believe in many of them even worse. But they don’t pour so much dirt on them .. Why? Look carefully at people who, with foam at the mouth, oppose the ROC ... These people are either nihilists or belong to other faiths. So what do they care about what watch the patriarch wears.? Why are they so worried? For example, as an atheist, it’s completely parallel to me what kind of watch the patriarch has and what kind of car he drives. Why do they care? And then there is a certain factor known in narrow circles: it is enough to discredit the leadership in order to discredit the whole idea. It is enough to pour slop on Stalin to discredit the entire system of the USSR, it is enough to denigrate Zhukov, to diminish the significance of victory in the Second World War, etc. etc.
      1. korvin1976
        korvin1976 26 August 2012 13: 30
        +5
        darkman70
        And no one says that it is necessary to continue raids on the dispersed churchmen, I am talking about something completely different, that it is time for these same churchmen to think about what they are doing and how. The fact that the patriarch drives an expensive car and the fact that his watch is more expensive than my apartment, to be honest, I don't care. The patriarch is not a god, he is the same man, but everything human and is not alien to him, especially since he is also the "face" of the Russian Orthodox Church.
        The question is different, the question of hypocrisy in which the church is mired, not FAITH, but the church. Personally, I now see the picture that Jesus saw when he entered the temple and saw the merchants there. In the lion's part of the churches there is a trade in everything and everything.
        In the correct temples, the same candles are free for the parishioners, and the churches live on donations from the parishioners. But in the "churches" there are frequent announcements that "candles bought in other churches in this church are not valid." How can this be called? What can you call a trade tent that stands 10-15 meters from the pulpit? Really, if you really want to sell it, you can't take it outside the church territory.
        It is precisely because of such cases that the church is now being raided, that now the "church" is not a temple of God, but a type of business, and the business is quite profitable.
        I have two "churches" in the city, one converted from a former cinema, and the other from a former pub. And these are churches? Let's say the building and so on does not matter. But what about the fact that for baptism, people who have not bought something in a trade tent at the church cannot get water? To do this, you must present a purchase receipt for at least 100 rubles. Excuse me, but this church is called "unexpected joy", I know where this name comes from, but most have an association with another case, which often occurs in babies.
        I have my own faith, but I respect and respect any faith and any temple, regardless of religion, but such churches just infuriate me, and especially those people who serve in such churches (they earn money).
        1. darkman70
          darkman70 26 August 2012 20: 15
          0
          that it is time for these same churchmen to think about what they are doing and how

          I agree with you .... but as a person who is far from the church and at the same time understands that this is a purely internal church affair.
          The question is different, the question of hypocrisy in which the church is mired, not FAITH, but the church. Personally, I now see the picture that Jesus saw when he entered the temple and saw the merchants there. In the lion's part of the churches there is a trade in everything and everything.

          Understand that the church has always and at all times been engaged in speaking the modern language of business. This is a normal condition for any church. In pre-revolutionary times, churches owned villages with serfs and even factories. And in Catholic countries, for example in Germany, even principalities belonged to churchmen, and absolution was sold for money. The church is an instrument of politics and power. And the government always gives preferences to churches, including economic ones, because it is an instrument of influence on people, and sometimes even expansion to other countries. From there comes the ostentatious luxury of the highest hierarchs. It has always been so, and not just now. The more luxurious the church looks, the more flocks it has, spiritual influence and the support of power, and this attracts a new flock .. Notice, after all, it is the churches that we owe to the magnificent and magnificent temples of antiquity, the frescoes of Rublev and Micheangelo. And the point here is not in the church’s love for luxury, but in the desire to denote its significance in the world and the history of its people.
          That is, people through the media focus on those affairs of the church that have been normal for her throughout her years of existence, taking advantage of the fact that most people now simply do not know that the ascetic lifestyle is the lot of monks, not church hierarchs . Most people do not know this. Including you. When I was in school, the topic of selling indulgences and the church in general was raised ... I don’t know how now.
          1. korvin1976
            korvin1976 26 August 2012 20: 42
            +1
            darkman70
            Understand that the church has always and at all times been engaged in speaking the modern language of business. This is a normal condition for any church.

            korvin1976
            I perfectly understand that church paraphernalia is important: candles, icons, crosses, etc., but trade it outside the temple, and not inside.

            So I'm not against the business of the church, I'm against business in the church!
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 27 August 2012 00: 53
              0
              Quote: korvin1976
              So I'm not against the business of the church, I'm against business in the church!

              Business is too big a word. Many temples barely make ends meet. And your 10 rubles per candle will not enrich anyone.
              1. korvin1976
                korvin1976 27 August 2012 08: 38
                +1
                Uncle
                Business is too big a word. Many temples barely make ends meet. And your 10 rubles per candle will not enrich anyone.

                He that heareth heareth, he that readth understand.
                I am not opposed to the church being engaged in trade (business), but let it be engaged in this not on the territory of the church.
                Let the main church paraphernalia, especially candles, be free, everything else can already be sold.
                Many temples have evolved and now exist solely because of donations, and that means something. I would not want to compare, but ............
                If you don’t like some store or establishment, you will go to another, just like with a church. In one temple, the priest is good RIGHT, but in another it is not clear what. You will go to the temple in which the father is good and correct and make your donation there.
                I do not like such examples and allegories, even though I have a different FAITH, but I consider all this blasphemy, but I consider the desecration of churches to be merchants even more blasphemy.
                1. Uncle
                  Uncle 28 August 2012 19: 30
                  0
                  Quote: korvin1976
                  but I consider all this blasphemy, but even more blasphemy I consider the desecration of temples trade.
                  Go to the Trinity-Sergius Lavra, there are notes and candles for donations. Don’t give anything, no one will say anything. Besides conscience, of course.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 26 August 2012 13: 50
      0
      that is, you want to say that rabid pussy protested against traders?
      what in Kaliningrad wrote indecency on the walls of the Temples in protest?
      that cut down the worship crosses protesting?
      Are you either naive or stupid
      1. korvin1976
        korvin1976 26 August 2012 14: 40
        +2
        Vasilenko Vladimir
        that is, you want to say that rabid pussy protested against traders?
        what in Kaliningrad wrote indecency on the walls of the Temples in protest?
        that cut down the worship crosses protesting?
        Are you either naive or stupid


        I don’t want to say anything like that.
        I’m only talking about the general tendency of the Russian Orthodox Church’s abuse.
        The frenzied are just regular scumbags no more, and these scumbags give a push movement for scumbags who saw crosses and desecrate temples.
        If you are not aware that at all times there have been a sufficient number of such scumbags, then as you wrote to me: Are you either naive or stupid
        The only thing that now overshadows the situation is that most Orthodox believers somehow understand that trading in churches is not right, but doesn’t do anything, but they’re doing such scumbags, they’re just doing it all the style of their frostbitten concepts and neglected freakiness.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 26 August 2012 18: 18
          0
          Quote: korvin1976
          but at the same time he doesn’t do anything, and they just do such scumbags, they just do it all in the style of their frostbitten concepts and neglected frickeliness.

          apparently you are naive
          sorry but these morons to trade in the temples deep on
          1. korvin1976
            korvin1976 26 August 2012 20: 39
            +2
            Vasilenko Vladimir

            I note that I have no word anywhere that the scumbags do this in order to remove trade from the temples. I am talking about the fact that at this time it has become "fashionable" to blaspheme the church, and it is these thugs on the wave of "fashion" that do their thing. At the same time, all this happens with a large share of "youthful maximalism and protest" - this is when a person, even knowing that he is wrong, will prove his innocence, just for the sake of not agreeing with his opponent.

            apparently you are naive
            I may be naive somewhere, but in the light of my naivety, as a rule, I see the essence and truth
            And a huge request, do not quote my statements, since it is convenient for you to see, and if you are quoting, then quote the sentence in full.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 26 August 2012 22: 32
              -1
              Quote: korvin1976
              and these thugs are on the wave of "fashion" and do their job.

              Yes, they don’t do any of their affairs, all THEIR affairs end with a group fuck or stuffing a chicken in a ..
              in my understanding, those who prepared the action for their goal have reached the country again is divided into "red" and "white", and from the foundation of the Russian statehood again fiercely knocked stone by stone.
              homosexuals demand that their perversion be recognized as the norm; they recognize a huge component of Russian culture as obscurantism, etc. t etc.
              1. korvin1976
                korvin1976 26 August 2012 22: 51
                +1
                You are a strange person, I’m telling you the same thing, but you think me naive and stupid. True, I express my statements in a more detailed form and more narrowly identify the problem and the consequence of this problem. And it turns out that you see the problem, but do not see the essence of the problem, but only its consequences.
                I'm sorry, maybe I'm wrong, but .........
                There is a reason, or several reasons, there is an action arising from the cause, and at the end there are consequences.
                At this time, I see only greed for the churchmen, and the attacks of scumbags moving on the wave of "protest fashion". As such, I do not observe DIRECT attacks against ORTHODOX BELIEF, not the ROC, namely VERA. Radical Islamists don't count, that's another song.
    3. Uncle
      Uncle 27 August 2012 00: 49
      0
      Quote: korvin1976
      I perfectly understand that church paraphernalia is important: candles, icons, crosses, etc., but trade it outside the temple, and not inside.

      Where such an opportunity exists, they do so. The store has been moved beyond the boundaries of the Temple and the monastery itself.
      Quote: korvin1976
      namely, churches with its rotten and corrupt churchmen, not all of these, of course, but unfortunately the majority.
      Not the majority, but the minority, that's why they are in sight.
      1. korvin1976
        korvin1976 27 August 2012 08: 47
        +1
        Uncle
        Where such an opportunity exists, they do so. The store has been moved beyond the boundaries of the Temple and the monastery itself.

        Everything can be, of course, I do not know all the churches, but those that I saw in all the traders sit either inside the temple, or on the church grounds. At the same time, everyone, absolutely everyone, has the opportunity to put up a tent at the entrance to the territory of the church. You don't have to go far, in our city there is a church "Unexpected Joy" from the main entrance to the territory about 50 meters away, a small shop has been rented for 8 years already, almost the entire city believes that this place would be ideal for a church shop or shop. At the same time, this church, in our city, is considered the most fashionable and visited (I apologize, but for me this particular church in the city is the most degraded), the people go to it in a shaft, and it is in it that announcements hang that they say it is impossible the like.
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 28 August 2012 19: 35
          0
          Quote: korvin1976
          it is in it that announcements hang saying that it’s impossible with someone else’s candles and the like.
          With candles, the layout is as follows: they bring candles from Jerusalem, they are paraffin wax, they smoke. In addition, the candle does not serve to illuminate the room, it is a sacred sacrifice, the candle is consecrated in a special way, there are a lot of Satanists "conjuring" over them, desecrating them with sacrificial blood. There is no place for such candles on a candlestick.
  17. darkman70
    darkman70 26 August 2012 11: 30
    0
    The priests, the hierarchs of the church have nothing to do with it. In all denominations, church ministers live very well. The attack is directed against Orthodoxy, as part of the self-awareness of the Russian people. Religion has a great influence on the mentality of people. A Russian person who renounces Orthodoxy is no longer a Russian person. A good example is the history of Serbs, Croats and Bosnians. By origin, one people, but different religions made of them completely different peoples, with different characters and aspirations. Moreover, an Orthodox person may well be an atheist. To take away from a Russian person his faith is the same as to take away from him a part of a thousand-year-old culture and history. In the old days "Orthodox" was synonymous with "Russians".
    1. ward
      ward 26 August 2012 11: 36
      +1
      The policy of the ROC has led to the fact that only 7% of the population of Russia positions themselves as Orthodox ... this is called arrived ...
      1. darkman70
        darkman70 26 August 2012 11: 52
        +1
        Unlikely. It is rather a consequence of the policy of atheism in the USSR. Which was very correct. Religion divides people. After the collapse of the Soviet Union and the return to religious propaganda, believers became much more
        but still there are still quite a few of them.
        And the policy of the Russian Orthodox Church is no different from the policies of other churches.
      2. Svobodny
        26 August 2012 14: 15
        0
        The figure is taken from the ceiling
      3. bachast
        bachast 26 August 2012 14: 28
        +2
        7% of Russia's population positions itself as Orthodox

        utter stupidity
        1. Odessa
          Odessa 26 August 2012 14: 33
          +2
          bachast,
          utter stupidity

          Indeed, nonsense, I did not read long ago that according to the survey, only 7% of Orthodox observe fasting.
          1. bachast
            bachast 26 August 2012 16: 37
            0
            Did I understand you right, Esther? If a person does not observe the post, is he not Orthodox?
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 26 August 2012 16: 50
              +1
              Quote: bachast
              If a person does not observe the post, is he not Orthodox?

              No, it’s not right, but fasting is certainly better observed. I do not follow unfortunately.
            2. Odessa
              Odessa 26 August 2012 16: 51
              +3
              bachast,
              Have you read the Gospel? If not, read it, it says about fasting. The first fasting was still in Eden, when God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
              And then after the coming of Christ it is said about fasting that not everything that comes with food into a person defiles him, but everything that comes out of a person, that is, with all bad actions (actions), a person defiles himself, and even when he defiles himself.
              If a person can fast, he fasts. If not, then it is not for us to judge anyone! God will judge them, as they say.
              1. bachast
                bachast 26 August 2012 17: 02
                -1
                If a person does not observe the post, is he not Orthodox? smile
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 26 August 2012 17: 17
                  0
                  Quote: bachast
                  If a person does not observe the post, is he not Orthodox?

                  it turns out that it’s not glorious, but you shouldn’t put pressure on a person, it will push him even more!
                  1. bachast
                    bachast 26 August 2012 17: 48
                    +1
                    What story is Alibek
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 26 August 2012 17: 53
                      +1
                      Alas, I can’t see)))
                      I’ll probably look at home in three hours!
                      1. Odessa
                        Odessa 26 August 2012 20: 07
                        0
                        Yarbay,
                        Not all fights are religiously motivated.
                        In a brawl, seven people were injured, among them two policemen. The reason for the fight of the clergy was a dispute about cleaning the temple. After Christmas, priests of the Greek church installed stairs in the church to wash walls and ceilings and decided to remove not only their part of the temple, but also that belonging to the Armenian church. This aroused the fury of the clergy of the Armenian church and provoked unrest. The actual demarcation inside the building is very arbitrary, as a result of which quarrels periodically arise between clergymen, which develop into mass brawls.
                        The fight lasted about 15 minutes, until the ripened Palestinian police intervened. After the fighting was separated, and the wounded were sent to the hospital, the cleaning of the church continued.
                    2. Odessa
                      Odessa 26 August 2012 18: 26
                      +2
                      bachast,
                      What story is Alibek

                      There, Armenians are constantly fighting the Greek Patriarchate, by the way, there are a lot of Orthodox Arab priests. A few years ago, the Armenians said that if the blessed fire didn’t go away, they would kill everyone. Now, on all Christian holidays, the Military Police are present in the church and nearby. .
                      And once, the Armenians closed in the church and did not allow the Orthodox to enter it, so the blessed fire descended along the pillar, at the entrance to the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, there is still a dissection in the column from the fire.
                      Photo by Israeli Police (Church of the Holy Sepulcher, spring 2012)
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 26 August 2012 18: 38
                        +1
                        Quote: Odessa
                        And once, the Armenians closed in the church

                        I read as if they once challenged that the glorious priest could receive blodatny fire and for a long time they barricaded themselves in that temple and still the fire did not come down until the glorious priest followed him!
                      2. Odessa
                        Odessa 26 August 2012 18: 39
                        +1
                        Yarbay,
                        This is not one year when faiths in the temple are at war.
                      3. Uncle
                        Uncle 27 August 2012 01: 03
                        0
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I read as if they once challenged that the glorious priest could receive blodatny fire and for a long time they barricaded themselves in that temple and still the fire did not come down until the glorious priest followed him!
                        It was even cooler! While the Armenians locked themselves in prayers, the Russian delegation stood outside waiting. And the blessed fire came down to them, hammering a lightning into a stone column, it burst already. Now this column is a place of worship, and the Armenians no longer try to receive a blessed fire.
                2. Uncle
                  Uncle 27 August 2012 00: 59
                  0
                  Quote: bachast
                  If a person does not observe the post, is he not Orthodox?

                  And if he does not keep the commandments, does not participate in the liturgy, does not know the Holy Scriptures, then is he Orthodox? Probably Orthodox, but what's the use of what he lives for?
      4. Evil Tatar
        Evil Tatar 26 August 2012 14: 36
        +3
        Quote: ward
        The policy of the ROC has led to the fact that only 7% of the population of Russia positions themselves as Orthodox ... this is called arrived ...

        Well what nonsense are you writing?
        I suppose he considered himself without exception, wandering with his staff through the distances and weights of Russia?
        1. ward
          ward 26 August 2012 16: 54
          -1
          God, how tired of this ... you are still a professor link to the studio ... according to the Levada Center, only seven percent of respondents attend church once a month ... Odessa girl you go to the mosque how many times ... damn hamsters with your finger to the keyboard once again poke laziness ... Orthodoxy is the Russian Orthodox Church ... and if people go to church ... then they are Orthodox ... if they go to a house of worship then sectarians ... at the same time they are Christians ... but not Orthodox. .. if they don’t go anywhere and believe in Christ .... then Christians ... but not the fact that the Orthodox ... for example, I believe in Christ ... but the Russian Orthodox Church makes me sick. ..
          1. bachast
            bachast 26 August 2012 17: 05
            +1
            if people go to church ... then they are Orthodox ... if they go to a house of worship then sectarians

            conclusion? are you not orthodox?
            1. ward
              ward 26 August 2012 17: 20
              0
              Yes, I do not maintain any contacts with the Russian Orthodox Church ...
              1. bachast
                bachast 26 August 2012 17: 24
                +1
                Well, that is, your answer can be understood as: -I am not Orthodox
                1. ward
                  ward 26 August 2012 17: 25
                  0
                  That's right ...
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 26 August 2012 17: 29
                    +1
                    Quote: ward

                    That's right ..

                    If it’s not a secret, in religion do you consider yourself to be ??
                    To whom do you relate ??
                    1. bachast
                      bachast 26 August 2012 19: 42
                      0
                      One thing is clear, he is a Christian! But not Orthodox, not Catholic ... not even a Huguenot
                      1. darkman70
                        darkman70 26 August 2012 20: 28
                        0
                        Maybe an old believer-bespovets ???) They do not have priests and even sweep churches. True, it seems impossible to serve them in the army.))
                  2. darkman70
                    darkman70 26 August 2012 20: 26
                    +1
                    Orthodoxy is not the Russian Orthodox Church. It is not a house with domes and a priest. This is a belief system, a religious worldview, like any other church. I’m an atheist, I go to church only on excursions, but I’m an Orthodox person, because it’s mine .. Russian, this is part of me, this is the story of my ancestors.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 27 August 2012 06: 47
            +3
            Quote: ward
            . Odessa You go to the mosque how many times.

            She doesn’t go to the mosque, but she constantly mothers the Arabs.
            Quote: ward
            damn hamsters with your finger in the keyboard once again poke laziness

            Hamish for quiet Wardik.
  18. Rodriques
    Rodriques 26 August 2012 11: 39
    +1
    Here, read the conclusions to you. Believe God or believe in God (as well as in all kinds of priests, priests, muftis, etc.)
    The well-known Western Christian writer and speaker Lactantius believed that the term "religion" comes from the Latin verb religare (to bind), therefore he defined religion as the union of man with God [7].

    In a similar way, the essence of religion was understood by Blessed Augustine, although he believed that the word “religion” came from the verb reeligere, that is, reunite, and religion itself means reunion, the restoration of the once lost union between man and God [7]
    If we try to give probabilistic estimates to the combination of "believe someone" and "believe in someone", then the following is possible:

    "trust someone" - 100% at once, ie there is no doubt and does not trumpet evidence, as in the quote under paragraphs 2 and 3 from the large explanatory dictionary of the Russian language.
    "believe in someone" - here a scatter from 0 to 100% is possible, and 100% cannot be similar, but only 99.9999999%

    And if you choose for yourself, what is still more reliable, then the choice is clear. Ancient thinkers, in their definitions, connected man and God directly, without intermediaries, who benefit from intermediaries, I hope you understand yourself.
    1. Russlana
      Russlana 26 August 2012 14: 00
      +3
      Following your logic, we do not need either a teacher (it’s better to master the math without intermediaries), nor officers — everyone will learn how to fight, nor experienced scientists — why, everyone let himself invent what he wants ...
  19. lambert
    lambert 26 August 2012 11: 42
    +2
    And why not write.

    It’s easier to the source - the Constitution of the Russian Federation - and it is clearly spelled out what is what.
    Even simpler - to the god of God - Caesar Cesarean.

    But look at our clergy - the mapping of the church. then there are no words, only letters.

    Therefore, it is not necessary to exercise faith in it is not clear what. A slave is a slave, no matter who he is, Ivan or God.

    If anyone wants to be a slave, then the flag in his hands and a drum on his neck.
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 27 August 2012 01: 08
      +1
      Quote: lambert
      If anyone wants to be a slave, then the flag in his hands and a drum on his neck.
      Suppose someone does not want to be a servant of God? Where will he go? For some time it will be a slave to sin, then the Lord will try to reason him with various tests, it will not work, nothing is fearful, after death he will answer for everything. Then he finds out whose slave he is.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 27 August 2012 07: 23
        +1
        Quote: Uncle
        Suppose someone does not want to be a servant of God? Where will he go? For some time it will be a slave to sin, then the Lord will try to reason him with various tests, it will not work, nothing is fearful, after death he will answer for everything. Then finds out whose slave he is

        Great words!!
        I would give you a thousand pluses if I could !!
  20. bask
    bask 26 August 2012 12: 33
    +1
    It’s simple. There will be no Orthodoxy, and there will be no Rossi. These macro-buttons from I don’t remember writing rat or ka isho. They used it in the dark. How many bucks burned in an information war Reveal and ..... Here's another one who starts to argue a slave or not a slave all he..nya. Love Boogh yes no everything. Satan is he saw and hell is. So everyone has a choice with whom he is. This is not just a religion of grandmothers, but an everyday battle of good and evil. Who is aloof from this? Everything is just gentlemen.
  21. baltika-18
    baltika-18 26 August 2012 13: 01
    +5
    Quote: bask
    Satan is he himself and hell is. So everyone has a choice with whom he is. This is not just a religion of grandmothers, but an everyday battle of good and evil. Everything is just gentlemen.

    Quote: bask
    Satan is he himself and hell is. So everyone has a choice with whom he is. This is not just a religion of grandmothers, but an everyday battle of good and evil. Everything is just gentlemen.

    You have a sore imagination. If a person is fixated on this, fear visits him. And where fear has no place for knowledge. A person becomes a slave to fear. You don’t need to be afraid of the unknown. After two months in intensive care in 2010, I completely dismissed all religious ideas, although Before that, he could call himself a believer. I understood the main thing: we are not alone, religions are harmful, they lead away from the path of knowledge, the world is multidimensional, not only space but also time. People after death pass into another space-time dimension. A person leaving a physical body can to see anything, including the devil. It all depends on what is in his head. So free yourself from fear, try to observe the moral and ethical principles that are inherent in a person from birth. Commandments are just the voice of what exists it’s really at the level of the unconscious, a certain program correcting the life of a person. And there, people like us, only much smarter, have reached such a level of development that we never dreamed of.
    1. Ross
      Ross 26 August 2012 14: 41
      +3
      baltika-18,

      Exactly what you need to hear now.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 26 August 2012 17: 20
        0
        Thanks to Ross. Glad to know that I'm not alone,
        1. Ross
          Ross 26 August 2012 20: 20
          +2
          baltika-18,

          And to you Nicholas, for wise words, unfortunately not yet available to those who see God in the ritual cult of certain priests. After all, God is one for all. As if, for example, the Sun had not represented or called different peoples, it would still remain simply the Sun for all.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 26 August 2012 17: 31
      +1
      Quote: baltika-18
      And where fear is no place for knowledge

      Where there is no fear of God, there is no Faith, or Faith is very weak!
      Tamerlane somehow compared a fearless person to a rabid dog!
      I think he was right!
      1. tan0472
        tan0472 26 August 2012 19: 10
        +1
        I do not agree with Tamerlan. He was a good commander, but I did not hear that he was a great sage. If a person does not have fear, then it is impossible to control him, and the tamerlanes of all times perfectly understand this. A vivid proof of this is the assassins and the fear that they caused among the rulers.
      2. Uncle
        Uncle 27 August 2012 01: 11
        +1
        Quote: Yarbay
        Tamerlane somehow compared a fearless person to a rabid dog!
        And Solomon said that the beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 27 August 2012 07: 21
          0
          Quote: Uncle
          And Solomon said that the beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord.
          Dear, there Tamerlan also spoke about the fear of God!
          I agree with Salomon and Tamerlane!
  22. TROG
    TROG 26 August 2012 13: 06
    +1
    Here it is the Russian Orthodox Church

    and how ordinary people see them
    1. bachast
      bachast 26 August 2012 14: 00
      +1
      smile You can recall Nevzorov a little earlier and his words about the church)) Changeling
    2. bachast
      bachast 26 August 2012 15: 05
      +2
      Orthodox Nevzorov
  23. bask
    bask 26 August 2012 13: 35
    0
    The profession does not allow me to attend any fear. I do not respect these gentlemen working on ORT and consider them hypocrites. They cause enormous harm to the faith of our ancestors. True faith. Do not take everything seriously, gentlemen. Smile more.

    PS / I agree that, first of all, the devil is in everyone's head. But to overcome yourself and get rid of the evil one is not easy. It’s like dirt stuck and nothing to scrape away. I envy the Hindus everything is on the shelves. No Dostoevsky with his demons.
  24. vezunchik
    vezunchik 26 August 2012 13: 37
    +5
    Guys, this is not a matter of religion, but of a struggle for world influence. Before the revolution, Orthodoxy was also oppressed. We had communism - all the jackals barked at the USSR, And now - not Orthodoxy interferes - RUSSIA and the RUSSIAN PEOPLE interfere! Therefore, the unification of all patriotic forces is necessary. A COALITIONAL GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE'S UNITY IS REQUIRED !! Enough to pull the blanket over yourself, if this continues, then we all will feel bad.
    Here are just the top do everything out of folly or ....?
  25. baltika-18
    baltika-18 26 August 2012 13: 41
    0
    Quote: darkman70
    In the old days, "Orthodox" was synonymous with "Russians

    I never wondered what the term Orthodoxy means. It consists of two words, the right of the Slavs. It has no relation to religion. It was privatized in the 17th century by Nikon, before that religion was called the peasant faith of Greek law. In Mozhaysk in the Luzhitsky monastery, in Kostroma in the Ipatiev monastery the graves of the 16th and early 17th centuries have been preserved. There are no traditional Orthodox 8-point crosses on them. They never paid attention to the fact that the architectural style of the 16th-century churches is very different from the architecture of the 17th century, and between them 1613, the Romanovs came to power, reform Nikon: What was believed before the beginning of the 17th century?
    1. Odessa
      Odessa 26 August 2012 13: 47
      +2
      baltika-18,
      Consists of two words, the right of the Slavs.

      You are mistaken, Orthodoxy from correctly glorifying God, just like Catholics, Babtists, Evangilists, Old Believers
      1. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 26 August 2012 15: 09
        0
        Church Slavonic Dictionary of Archpriest Dyachenko
        Right is law, power. Remember "Russian law" was translated as Russian Law.
        "Glory" from "word".
        Word. "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was to God"
        Church Slavonic Bible was released in 1900 as a blessing from the Holy Synod.
        Orthodoxy is the law of God. And do not invent anything. And then as with 666,
        why not write and invent.
        And in the same dictionary it is said that "Latin - Lateinos" tempted Eve and has a meaning in the digital designation 666.
        p. 279. L 300 + а 1+ т 300 + е 5 + and 10 + н 50+ о 70 + с 200 = 666.
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 26 August 2012 17: 17
        0
        I don’t agree. God does not need to be praised. He needs to be understood. Those who consider themselves to be God's servants need to be glorified. Glorifying him, they glorify themselves.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 26 August 2012 17: 22
          +2
          Quote: baltika-18

          I do not agree. God does not need to be praised

          I marvel at you!
          Why do you take the liberty of asserting what God needs! ??
          Often, some argue that in Christianity, Christians are not slaves, but children of God!
          This is ordinary ignorance and just stupid things!
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 26 August 2012 18: 30
            0
            And why does he need it, he is smarter, stronger, better than all of us put together. Once again to hear about himself, about his greatness. So this is vanity, which he himself condemns, where is the logic. I am not God's servant, for me the word a slave is unacceptable in any way.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 26 August 2012 18: 34
              +1
              Quote: baltika-18
              So this is vanity, which he himself condemns, where is the logic.

              and where does the logic ???
              Why are you looking for logic ??
              Why do His angels constantly glorify ??
              In Islam, the Almighty has 99 beautiful names !!
              Do you want to ask why ??
              And why did He create man in such a way? Why two legs ?? two hands and two eyes !!
              Not more logical for four ??
              Is all that God created succumb to the logic of man!
              Everything that happened and happens to succumb to logic ??
              1. Odessa
                Odessa 26 August 2012 18: 46
                +1
                Yarbay,
                Everything that happened and happens to succumb to logic?

                Absolutely everything. I found out like a book about how astronomers, after some research, became believers. They were shocked when they came to the conclusion that the solar system was perfect. If the Earth would rotate at a different speed, if there would be an angle to the axis, even half a degree would be different then the earth would become a dead planet, if the sun were closer it would burn all the vegetation, etc.
                But the Bible says that on what day God created!
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 26 August 2012 18: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Odessa
                  Absolutely everything. I found out like a book about how astronomers, after some research, became believers. They were shocked when they came to the conclusion that the solar system was perfect. If the Earth would rotate at a different speed, if there would be an angle to the axis, even half a degree would be different then the earth would become a dead planet, if the sun were closer it would burn all the vegetation, etc.
                  But the Bible says that on what day God created!

                  Well, in this sense, yes, even the ratio of substances in the atmosphere to the floor is half a cent there and a person could not live !!
                  But this knowledge, after all, God also gave us !!))
                  And he created these relationships !!
                  The Most High would have wanted; there would have been other laws of physics !!
              2. baltika-18
                baltika-18 26 August 2012 19: 31
                0
                And how do you know that angels glorify him, have you heard that God created man in his own image and likeness, that is, he is like us. Outwardly, of course. The level of development of their world is certainly much higher than ours. But their logic is also inherent. But the Bible and the Koran, the Torah were written by people, and I am not sure that, to put it mildly, they did not quite understand what they wanted to tell them.
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 26 August 2012 20: 34
                  0
                  Alas, you do not know much about the Baltic religion, and therefore I see no reason for you to explain something!
                  But you have the right to have an opinion, but for me it is erroneous!
                  1. Uncle
                    Uncle 27 August 2012 01: 16
                    +1
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    Alas, you do not know much about the Baltic religion, and therefore I see no reason for you to explain something!
                    But you have the right to have an opinion, but for me it is erroneous!
                    Robot does not give pluses, just join.
  26. Russlana
    Russlana 26 August 2012 13: 54
    +6
    Orthodoxy ... Like a bone in the throat of our "eternal friends". If we remove the spiritual side, although it is the main one here, and leave exclusively the material side, then believers are not needed anywhere. Even more so in Russia. You see what the "civilized" world "professes"? Debauchery, consumerism, "I" - put at the forefront. Orthodoxy is the complete antipode of this "worldview". Do not need ... people who are trying to bring chaos into our world, people who live according to the commandments. For such people will never be able to subordinate to their will and intoxicate. And even more so, such people will not silently watch how their country is captured.
    1. Rodriques
      Rodriques 26 August 2012 16: 43
      +2
      I believe in what I consider necessary and correct. I don’t need a church for this, moreover, because of this I personally am deeply disgusted, low, this is my opinion, I don’t care who you believe - the priest or yourself (and God in yourself).
  27. Tambov Wolf
    Tambov Wolf 26 August 2012 13: 58
    +5
    Faith is the last frontier between Russia and the ossotinized West, where public sodomy, debauchery is the norm of life, and bestiality will soon be a religion. Let us not hang noodles that Christians must turn their right or left cheeks. Russian Orthodoxy has always been warriors. Remember Peresvet. , Oslyabyu, Alexander Nevsky, Kutuzov, Suvorov and our other compatriots. All of them were Orthodox and patriots of the Fatherland. "An eye for an eye" and "I brought you not peace, but a sword", has not yet been canceled, but the throwing of Tolstoy's ideology and interpretation The Bible and the Gospels in the direction of humility before the satanic ideology, there are intrigues of enemies, both internal and external, with the aim of destroying Russia, as the last Bastion on the path of Darkness.
  28. DERWISH
    DERWISH 26 August 2012 13: 58
    +3
    while faith is with us - humanity will be civilized! desecrators of temples and relics of the sacred will be punished with their conscience and may our LORD be merciful to all his children! who knows ? maybe this is a sign so that people can understand the truth? and the erring could understand, for even under CHRIST Judas were!
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 27 August 2012 01: 18
      +1
      Quote: DERWISH
      even under CHRIST Judas were!
      One person of holy life once said, "in the world - every 12th is Judas". I looked at my life and could not agree more.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 27 August 2012 07: 27
        0
        Quote: Uncle
        One person of holy life once said, "in the world - every 12th is Judas". I looked at my life and could not agree more.

        Hmm ... strong words ....
  29. bask
    bask 26 August 2012 14: 16
    +1
    I agree with all the reasons. It’s clear that the provocation blinded by the hill was successful And the devil got me to scream I repent with everyone I have a piece of shit and I have no right to disrespect. We should unite around the Glorious faith. Feel Zadornov Glorious faith. If we crack all by ourselves Time has passed to us gentlemen. Or life or ... It's nice how many people are smart and with a good soul. God will not let pass.
    1. bachast
      bachast 26 August 2012 14: 25
      +1
      And the demon got me patriarch to scream I repent

      did the article and the arguments so affect your opinion?
  30. Russlana
    Russlana 26 August 2012 14: 34
    0
    Yes, guys, you all see how they are waging an information war against Syria, is it really so difficult to notice the same handwriting in your homeland? ..
  31. Magadan
    Magadan 26 August 2012 15: 12
    +2
    For me, the Orthodox Faith is Sergius of Radonezh, Matrona of Moscow, Ksenia of Petersburg, John of Krondstadsky ... For some, these are some mythical priests who drive expensive jeeps and have real estate abroad.
    Honestly, I have not met such. Maybe they are, but firstly: wealth is not a sin, a sin if you are a slave to this wealth. And secondly: if it was obtained unrighteously, then such "careless priests" were always and always their number was approximately 1:12 in relation to the real, true clergy.
    It's easy enough to invent fairy tales about all kinds of "depraved priests".
    Let the opponents of the Orthodox faith give specific names of specific priests who are corrupt and who are directly oligarchs and directly with girls have fun. God forgive me, even repeating this nonsense is disgusting.
    And if there is such a name, then I am sure that I will give a hundred names of the true servants of God whom I personally know.
    There is one most correct measure, it is called: "By the fruits you will know." The fruits of Orthodoxy are our Russia, which came from the banks of the Dnieper to the shores of the Pacific Ocean. And the fruits of atheism are our country, which has halved after the fall of the USSR. In one word, I believe what I see, and not all human speculations.
    1. Isk1984
      Isk1984 26 August 2012 19: 57
      +5
      Well ... for me, the USSR is the only world power that implemented projects of world significance, starting from outer space, ending with a peaceful atom, a country where people were equal and it was all the same to you what kind of religion and no one was burned at the stake, there were no infidels etc. and now, when I look at many posts I just don’t understand where my compatriots go, I see people without a vector inside, without a rod that distinguished Soviet people from us today, there’s planetary thinking, and now there’s reasoning about ... what about God's servants, a man in the USSR was said with a capital letter, and now I feel sorry for all of us since we are little men, probably my atheistic thoughts are not clear to all of you Orthodox, and soon people like me will be sent to the stake ... Who could have been back in 61 to assume that after the flight of Yuri Alekseevich, in the year 2012 we will conduct theological disputes ...
      1. Ross
        Ross 26 August 2012 23: 28
        0
        [Quote]Isk1984,

        And soon people like me will be sent to the fire ...

        In Omsk, the church initiated a lawsuit accusing the Mahabharat of the world-famous Indian Vedic epic of extremism. They almost quarreled us with India! So our church fights against dissent.
  32. 10mihail
    10mihail 26 August 2012 15: 15
    +1
    Foreign politicians seek to eradicate and separate all religions in our country. They want disunity in our society. Because the strength of RUSSIA is in our spirituality, unity and kindness. After all, good is always stronger than evil !!!!!!!!!
  33. Uncle Serozha
    Uncle Serozha 26 August 2012 15: 28
    0
    Quote: korvin1976
    ROC is not the Orthodox faith, whatever one may say


    For me, for sure! I belong to the generation for which the Russian Orthodox Church is a "target illumination radar." He is 5N62, and he is K1V cockpit as part of the RTS of the S-200 air defense SAM system.
    And although the Orthodox faith has nothing to do with it, but I am for the Russian Orthodox Church. Behind right ROC. wink
  34. erased
    erased 26 August 2012 16: 24
    +3
    And what do atheists do ?!
    1. Rodriques
      Rodriques 26 August 2012 16: 45
      +3
      watch and smile laughing
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 26 August 2012 17: 30
      +1
      Atheism is also a belief. A belief that there is no god. But he is, only everything is completely different from what traditional religions try to present to us.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 26 August 2012 17: 35
        0
        I knew it!
        You are either a sectarian or believe in that which is cosmic !!
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 26 August 2012 18: 40
          0
          You are mistaken. Neither one nor the other. My faith has no name, have not yet been invented. Something similar in history was: Jalaladdin al Muhamed Akbar 1, He tried to unite all religions, but did not reach the end.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 26 August 2012 18: 44
            0
            Nikolay!
            This is sectarianism !!
            Quote: baltika-18
            He tried to unite all religions, but did not reach the end.

            When the time comes, God will unite everyone!
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 26 August 2012 19: 37
              +2
              Quote: Yarbay

              Nikolay!
              This is sectarianism !!

              Such sectarianism suits me, let it be called as you like. Purpose: world peace, the elimination of national and religious hatred.
            2. Uncle
              Uncle 27 August 2012 01: 23
              0
              Quote: Yarbay
              When the time comes, God will unite everyone!
              On earth does not unite. A common world religion is Satan's project. After death will unite, someone in hell, someone in paradise. Both there and there are various places, as in earthly life.
      2. scutum
        scutum 26 August 2012 17: 37
        0
        Do you know how ???
        illumination has descended apparently ...
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 August 2012 17: 45
        0
        Quote: baltika-18

        Atheism is also faith. Belief that there is no god.

        Yes, where this world is heading, God alone knows.
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 26 August 2012 18: 43
          +1
          I completely agree with you, he knows. The world is rolling into a bright future.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 26 August 2012 18: 46
            +2
            Quote: baltika-18

            I completely agree with you, he knows. The world is rolling into a bright future.

            but I agree here with you)))
            1. Uncle
              Uncle 27 August 2012 01: 24
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              but I agree here with you)))
              If the bright future is irony, then it’s true, the end of the world is inevitable.
        2. Border k
          Border k 27 August 2012 07: 41
          0
          I don’t want to http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikday/134497-oskotinivanie-pussy-riot-i-kultur

          a-death.html
          here
    3. Kshatriy
      Kshatriy 26 August 2012 20: 51
      +1
      Quote: erased
      And what do atheists do ?!

      Atheists should cover themselves with a white sheet and crawl towards the cemetery ....
      But seriously ... read Blavatsky --- "The Secret Doctrine" is a very lucid description of the Tibetan sect of "Atheists" ... all their faith is spread out on the shelves ...
  35. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 26 August 2012 16: 31
    -7
    FROM MEDIA MATERIALS ::

    Mother of God, Virgin, drive Putin away
    Drive Putin away, Drive Putin away ...

    Everyone was outraged by how and where these words were sung, and behind the controversy about "desecration and blasphemy" everyone forgot about the words - and this, in my opinion, is a wonderful poignant artistic statement - just for those who are tired of going to rallies and listening endless insipid speeches of politicians! Clever, caustic, and most importantly - hitting, as they say, not in the eyebrow, but in the eye.

    But it turned out to be very dangerous to "run into" not even Putin, but the official church and the patriarch - I am absolutely sure that such an unjustifiably harsh reaction came from the patriarch, and not from Putin - "black cassock, golden shoulder straps", "Patriarch Gundyai "- our" father Zvezdoniy "could not forgive this.

    But the most disgusting reaction was not even the reaction of the ROC, the patriarch and other officials in robes - but the reaction of the "believers" - they seemed to have broken loose - there was no such madness, such overwhelming aggression and anger in my memory. I recall the "letters of workers" to the newspapers of 1936-38. demanding "death to spies and traitors", persecution of Pasternak, Sakharov and other abominations of the Soviet era.

    The piquancy of the current situation is that these angry and intolerant people consider themselves to be Orthodox believers - in any case, they unite precisely on this basis, and on this basis they divide everyone into their own and others. What kind of love is there, what kindness and compassion, and the ability to forgive ... They have none of this at all. And how they pounced on those real Christians who "dared" to intercede for the girls from Pussy Riot and called on the patriarch to show leniency and forgive them (Lydia Moniava and others)!

    WE READ AND THINK, THINK, THINK ,,, BECAUSE WE ARE ADULT PEOPLE AND LIVE IN THE SECOND STATE. Can we distinguish simple hooliganism, even defiant, from the criminal offense ... We have no confidence in the authorities, the courts. Constantly there are suspicions of political order, corporate solidarity, corruption, etc. Who is not connected with the power system, corruption, family relations - that will always be to blame.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 26 August 2012 16: 42
      +8
      Quote: AleksUkr
      Everyone was outraged

      Here I do not agree with you!
      I think believers were outraged by outright mockery of their faith!
      I think so!
      If I were a Christian, I would be unpleasant!
      1. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 26 August 2012 17: 17
        +2
        You can relate to this in different ways. But there is no criminal prosecution for defiling the faith in criminal law. This is hooliganism, not incitement ... And what would happen if they sang Putin save? It seems to me that they would simply be spit out and forgotten. They would have remained unknown to anyone. The ROC was to intercede for believers. And she fought in revenge ... As they say - God is their judge. But unfortunately everyone did not approach the assessment of this action from the best, prudent side. All this led to a split in different parts of society, spitting on Russia from everyone who is not lazy. ..Here is the far-fetched persecution of Orthodoxy.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 26 August 2012 20: 41
          0
          Quote: AleksUkr
          You can relate to this in different ways. But there is no criminal prosecution for defiling the faith in criminal law. This is hooliganism, not incitement ...

          This is another question, here I probably agree with you!
        2. Kshatriy
          Kshatriy 26 August 2012 21: 03
          +1
          Borukh Gorin http://www.facebook.com/boruch.gorin/posts/10151931650764625
          August 17 at 7:06 near Sharur ·
          Well, the ruthlessness of justice complicates the fulfillment of my promise. But, nevertheless, since the matter has been done, and my opinion will not worsen the fate of the convicts, I answer the question posed, what could happen to the girls, if they decide to hold their rally in the synagogue.

          Option one, tragic. The girls go into the prayer room, run to the bima (something like a pulpit), and pull these balaclavas on their heads. They, poor ones, do not know that the guest also went to the synagogue - the Minister for Freshwater Affairs of the Dead Sea of ​​Israel, who in foreign voyages relies on security from the relevant special services of the Zionist entity. And I must tell you, the agents saw these similar balaclavas in the chronicle, according to which they were taught at the junior sergeant’s school. This one-to-one fit matches the fashion of the 1972 Munich Olympics. And the nerve agent may well open fire to defeat the first. International conflict, sobbing mothers, orphaned children.

          Option two, restrainedly optimistic. There is no minister in the synagogue, neither are there any particularly nervous retirees and repentant criminals. The girls are pulled from the bima by ordinary law-abiding parishioners, the police are called, and the singers are handed over to her. Immediately (even before it was handed over to law enforcement officers), a press release about the monstrous anti-Semitic action was broadcast on all channels on all four continents. International Jewish organizations are patiently awaiting fair punishment, and raise a terrible hipesh in the absence of such. Of course, they are not furious, demanding to be stoned, but they also do not raise a scandal if a prison sentence is passed. In private conversations, they come to the conclusion that "Putin is really determined in the fight against anti-Semitism."

          Option three, comic. He is the most likely. Girls do not reach the door of the prayer hall, young and cheerful guards, taking this opportunity, long and closely contacting, carry out young rebel bodies.

          That's it, girls! And please, do not try to check - my forecasts may turn out to be erroneous - but it is very possible that I am right.
        3. Uncle
          Uncle 27 August 2012 01: 29
          +1
          AleksUkr, you have on your avatar a red flag above the Reichstag. That is, you are a patriot of the USSR and Russia. How would you react to a similar trick of snacks at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier? Would they consider this blasphemy or say that the Criminal Code is not violated and that is all right?
    2. ICT
      ICT 26 August 2012 16: 53
      0
      Quote: AleksUkr
      READ AND THINK, THINK, THINK ,,,

      I completely agree, because , the church didn’t act like a church, but as if it were some kind of tax, and even there was no attempt to enlighten lost souls (words like pathos, but in them the meaning of church work)
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 26 August 2012 17: 05
        0
        Quote: TIT
        and even there was no attempt to enlighten the lost souls (words like pathos, but in them the meaning of church work)

        Why not!
        I read that the priest wanted to meet with the guns in the cell, but I do not know if they allowed or not!
        From the fact that you do not know, this does not mean that this was not!
        1. ICT
          ICT 26 August 2012 19: 13
          0
          it is quite possible it is, all the same, you can’t keep track of everything, but wanting to do this is two different things.
          but forget about them for now.

          back to the title of the article: "God cannot be mocked ..." On the topic of persecution of Orthodoxy
          even if the Soviet authorities failed to erase the faith in God from the people, then where there some kind of foreign gray cardinals.
          there is another example of several hundred years of the struggle of the Russian Orthodox Church against the Old Believers did not give exactly any effect, now they get along quite peacefully., that is, if faith is strong it is very difficult (read impossible) to break it.
  36. Bosk
    Bosk 26 August 2012 17: 31
    +2
    Most people condemn the actions of snacks and other snacks, the problem is not in them .. the problem is in us, because at all times there are people who can defile the church and they have always been punished, but right now we raised this topic nowhere else ... better than any enemy, this tendency is not observed in the case of snacks, read the press, there is a lot of negativity, and there are so many positive things, and after all, thinking about the positive person starts to do a lot of positive things, and in the world of negativity, the stump of the current’s idea of ​​bad things is clear.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 26 August 2012 17: 35
      +1
      Quote: Bosk
      . Propiarized better than any enemy

      That's right !!
  37. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 26 August 2012 18: 27
    0
    The severe test of Orthodox people is coming. What should be - will be. The Apocalypse clearly states that in recent times the saints will be defeated, the Antichrist will come to seduce everyone, including the elect as possible, but this should not be long, because even the elect cannot resist - this is the strength of the Antichrist.
    But how subtle it is!
    The most important thing Jesus calls us to is to love God, to love our neighbor, and to be humble. What is humility? it is an unbiased outlook on life, a denial of one's own desires and passions, it is completely relying on the will of the creator.
    The fact that persecution against Orthodoxy has begun is the will of God, who is testing people's faith. On the one hand, I would like to justly resent and punish hooligans cutting down crosses, but here the Orthodox Christian gets into an insidious network, he has anger, he has condemnation, he loses his humility! The point is not that the crosses were cut down, God does not happen to be scolded. The bottom line is that they are trying to outrage the calm of Christians. Maybe this will sound wild to many, but the Orthodox should silently bear these insults.
    Remember how Jesus silently accepted his cross, he did not say a single word in his defense when he was condemned and led to be crucified. Remember how they said to him “you saved others, but you cannot” It’s not that he couldn’t save himself, the point is that he did what he had to do, he did it against his will, because before entering Jerusalem prayed: "God, if you may let the sowing cup pass me by, but not mine, but your will will be." So we must accept this as sent by God and not succumb to the hardening of our hearts, but sincerely pray for our enemies. Only then will Orthodoxy win!
  38. bask
    bask 26 August 2012 18: 41
    +3
    I’m not a sectarian and I’m loving the cosmos But if we give up our faith, then they will cut us heads like sheep. We won’t move to another faith. There will always be God's providence to strangers. Born Orthodox be to them to death. If they come to die as a man. And who is more a patriot .... time will tell. The main thing is if you beat a crowd of one do not pass. It touches me too. Shyness is one of the manifestations of the devil. But the people have already changed and this communist infection does not roll. . Everyone has their own opinion. But we will be united. Without pathos God help us
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 26 August 2012 20: 25
      +3
      I look demons fussed, they put minuses to you, they brought me two pluses to zero))) Bask, I completely agree with you who is faithful in the small, he will be faithful in the big, who is not true in the big, and will not be true in the small. There are laws of physics, they are quite specific E = ms2 and nothing else. Each person has his own cross, i.e. his own destiny by which he lives, God set us to be born in Russia, made us Orthodox, someone was baptized at an age, someone (like me and as my son) in infancy. ALL! There is a given introductory task from parents to educate, from the Orthodox save and transmit. And throwing from religion to religion speaks only about the instability of a person’s worldview.
  39. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 26 August 2012 19: 18
    +3
    FAITH is the most unshakable stronghold of man, his refuge. Faith is the last pillbox in which you can always hide both with your soul and body.
    You can’t smear Vera.

    I have this Orthodoxy.
    Russia and the Holy Orthodox Faith are inseparable. I won’t even enter into the discussion, it makes no sense.
    In Serbia and Greece, one always feels some kindred relationship with the locals. I don’t know how to explain it, but it is.

    Absolutely, I believe that “Puski” is a custom-made provocative event. A dirty event, to the very soul.

    About tolerance: I have many relatives, all are married and married. There are also Muslims among us. We live together, celebrate holidays together: some according to "Vera" (who has a holiday), others "for the company". And these are not populist tales on my part, we love each other, we have children: this is Life.

    It was recalled: when he served, then there were only amulets, amulets and icons in our “fist”. Everything was welcomed and encouraged. And that was also, and this is also Life.
  40. Bashkaus
    Bashkaus 26 August 2012 20: 39
    +5
    And just in general, a person turns to God in the most critical situation of his life. I remember reading about the abbot of the Caves Monastery after the war. To the question "how did he come to faith," he answered like this: I was a political officer and a convinced atheist, I stand on the front line, planes are flying around, there are explosions at you, tanks are being thrown at you, people around you are tearing apart, so a tank is rushing at me, I’m never a believer I was, and then he shouted "Lord Save! If I survive, I will serve you!" And there are a lot of such cases. To be honest, I myself have very serious problems in my life, which, in principle, cannot be solved unfortunately. You could have a pistol to your head, from a window or something else, but you can shout "Lord, save me!" and accept all problems as a test of fortitude, learn patience, humility, and through sorrow, love is born ...
  41. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 26 August 2012 21: 02
    0
    Well said, Baskaus ...
  42. T72B
    T72B 26 August 2012 21: 48
    +2
    Here's a new twist on the case of rabid pussy: http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/08/17/pussy-riot-case-takes-canadian-twist/ .
    Although the article is in English, the pictures speak for themselves.

    And this is one of the pussy in the supermarket: http://www.artinfo.com/node/814693
    Entertaining video.

    And after such bestiality multiplied by necrophilia, some call for forgiveness ?!
    For all medical indicators, only indefinite detention in the lush compartment of Kashchenko and amenazine 3 times a day will help.
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 26 August 2012 21: 56
      0
      And what kind of pardon can be discussed. The furnace is not people am This is what the benefits of Western civilization are, and "democracy"
      1. T72B
        T72B 26 August 2012 22: 14
        0
        Well, I, in principle, about the same. And here on the forum, many called for church forgiveness. Forgiveness and impunity, unfortunately, do not give rise to awareness of what has been done and repentance, but to new, increasingly unbridled orgies. I can imagine what will begin now, but, nevertheless, I will tell you. Without going into the "scientific" theosophical controversy, only one phrase: "If you hit on the left cheek - substitute the right." for me - an indicator that with such a religion we will not go far. Then the army, the police, and the prosecutor's office are useless at all. Delov something: in your snout, and you also substitute the back of your head and pray for the salvation of the soul of the lost lamb, while it sweeps you and your neighbors.
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 26 August 2012 23: 33
          0
          Nothing will start, the train of your thoughts is quite right, you just have to know how to ask for it. Even in Christian times in Russia there was such a custom. Warriors returning from the battlefield were not allowed to the bus for 40 days, although they did the holy work defending their homeland from the enemy, but they killed, and this is a sin. After passing the ceremony of purification, they were taken to the cusp.
        2. Uncle
          Uncle 27 August 2012 01: 34
          0
          Quote: T72Б
          "If you were hit on the left cheek, substitute your right." for me - an indicator that with such a religion we will not go far.
          1000 years left very far, as soon as they left God and believed in revolution, the troubles of our people began.
    2. Aleks28
      Aleks28 26 August 2012 22: 18
      +1
      Maybe she eats like that. A mutant or an alien ...
      1. T72B
        T72B 26 August 2012 22: 22
        0
        Maybe she eats like that. A mutant or an alien ...

        Do not quite understand...
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 26 August 2012 22: 36
          0
          Well, not a man, I'm talking about a video with a chicken. Comment. climbed the wrong way, as if a billiard-ball was rolling (I'm talking about my comm.)
          1. T72B
            T72B 26 August 2012 22: 43
            0
            Sorry, apparently I didn’t understand you correctly because of my intolerance. Well, yes, of course, there are such malfunctions in genetics. Maybe it’s worth it to modify such an individual a little genetically to bring all the openings of the body to a functional purpose destined by nature (this is where there is scope for genetic engineering !!!)?
  43. Chukcha
    Chukcha 26 August 2012 21: 48
    +3
    It is strange that the Demon himself is afraid and respects God, and therefore cannot go against Him, but the demon’s servants do not know God, and therefore they criticize and curse him.
    God is scolded only by those who do not know Him.
  44. Shade
    Shade 26 August 2012 22: 04
    -1
    On the street is the 21st century, so both the church and the religion itself can be criticized and even necessary. Russia existed without Orthodoxy, and I hope it still exists without it. More precisely, without religions at all. And about the fact that the Russian Orthodox Church is some kind of symbol of Russia, then at the balalaika level, it’s antique.
  45. wirbeln
    wirbeln 26 August 2012 22: 04
    +3
    Gentlemen, comrades, the bar! Do not confuse God and Faith with its servants (priests, mullahs, etc., etc.). They only sell God's grace. I remind everyone: the church is separated from the state. I believe in God, I do not like priests.
    1. ward
      ward 26 August 2012 22: 07
      0
      This is called do not confuse the gift of God with the lamb ... plus ..
    2. Aleks28
      Aleks28 26 August 2012 22: 15
      +2
      GOD is one, and the church is an interest club. And the sooner we understand this, the better it will be for us.
      1. T72B
        T72B 26 August 2012 22: 24
        0
        GOD is one, and the church is an interest club.

        I would say a driving club for the nose and cutting the dough. Although, the current attack on the Russian Orthodox Church is more an attack on the state.
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 26 August 2012 22: 29
          +1
          This is already a bust, sorry. In such matters, one must be more tolerant.
          1. T72B
            T72B 26 August 2012 22: 44
            +1
            Thank you for your comment. I will definitely (without irony).
            1. Aleks28
              Aleks28 26 August 2012 23: 08
              -1
              But a church is needed. Despite all the interweaving, people go to temples, and if the church brings Good and Love, then this is real faith. And how do you believe (in what rites) it is not so important. Main faith!
      2. s1н7т
        s1н7т 26 August 2012 23: 32
        -4
        Duc, like, there is no god. Or am I missing something? laughing
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 26 August 2012 23: 38
          +1
          For you, no .... You missed everything, and even the distribution of brains. wink
  46. suharev-52
    suharev-52 26 August 2012 23: 20
    +1
    Faith - it is in the soul and is not calculated by the number of trips to the temple and candles set. She is either there or she is not. Regarding God, I personally believe that He alone has a name for every nation. Well, regarding the defilers. They do not deserve any forgiveness and should be punished as much as possible. They do not offend the church, not the state, but the people. And those who insult the people should be punished. Sincerely.
  47. Hamul
    Hamul 26 August 2012 23: 30
    +1
    Threat - minus the health! just have the courage to face the truth!
    1st We have a secular state - and the church is climbing, and is trying to gain power again. What does the church care about football and the Olympics?
    2- if the churchmen are such saints - they would build centers and shelters for the homeless, for homeless people, etc., but would not build at the expense of the federal budget, federal subjects and local subjects in each city thousands of churches, this looks like a competent marketing policy) )))))))
    3rd A strange feature, and why do the saints drive cool cars, and their pussies do not decrease
    4-e the poorer and worse the people live, the more violent and more active the church becomes in terms of propaganda It seems that the people are on the verge.
    5th give everyone equal right to choose a faith. stop propagating yourself so vehemently. stop publishing materials for kindergartens! and bribe managers. Have a conscience!

    Everyone has faith - and it’s foolish to deny that there is something higher, but enough to rob grandfathers and grandmothers.
    Stop reaching insanity banning performances and music at the state level.

    Threat !!!!!!!!! and remember - only charitable goods in the church (recently I even saw such a picture in GUM CLUB).
    YES AND MAKE THE CHURCH HONEST (patriarch’s hours, patriarch’s yacht) - it's just a mockery of ordinary people !!!
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 27 August 2012 01: 51
      +1
      Quote: Hamul
      if the churchmen are such saints, they would build centers and shelters for the homeless, for the homeless
      These centers are called monasteries. I saw there many homeless people, cripples, after prisons, paralyzed. So do not la la.
  48. s1н7т
    s1н7т 26 August 2012 23: 31
    +1
    I just read: "... in the very heart of Russian civilization - in the Orthodox Faith and the Holy Church, in the only thing on which Russia and the Russian world stand.", I almost vomited. Is it slowly slipping from the military theme to the propaganda of the "general course of the party"? According to the Constitution, religion and other clubs of perverts have nothing to do with the state. Any perversion is a personal matter. Intimate. Why put this on the pages of the media? And then still publicly discuss? Explicit order of power. As soon as the level of education and culture began to fall, all sorts of obscurantists began to creep out into the world, filling the ideological and spiritual vacuum. Then, there are many confessions in the country, shall we fight, or what ?! And yet - in the history of Russia, the ROC takes very little time by historical standards. Why is everyone so stuck in Christianity ?! There is no God anyway! laughing
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 26 August 2012 23: 54
      -1
      Why is everything in Christianity, there are still Muslims, Buddhists, Jews ...
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 August 2012 06: 55
      +2
      Quote: c1n7
      "I almost vomited.

      If you feel sick of what many of your compatriots revere, you probably should move to a geyropa. There you will not have a gag reflex, but only one same-sex love. There is no respect for people go to another branch.
    3. Vanek
      Vanek 27 August 2012 07: 13
      +3
      Quote: c1n7
      God doesn’t exist anyway!


      Then you tell him then.

      God is, he cannot be.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 27 August 2012 07: 17
        +3
        Quote: Vanek

        God is, he cannot be.

        Hi Ivan, when a lot of entertainment and everything that’s allowed, God doesn’t need him. He will go to heaven, then the brains will appear, but it will be too late.
        1. Vanek
          Vanek 27 August 2012 07: 22
          +2
          Greetings to Alexander.

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          then brains will appear,but it will be too late.


          What is true is true.
  49. Hamul
    Hamul 26 August 2012 23: 38
    -1
    And more ...
    What the hell does the church demand to return her lost property rights to real estate ????
    Imagine what kind of money they want to receive - how much the church had property before the Red Revolution ????????? and everything is not enough for them ((((((((((((((((9

    And how many cool temples built with gangster money? Have you ever seen one? I saw, I saw, and not one or two - they amaze with decoration and squares.
    And how much did they "forgive" the bandits, officials, etc. ??????????????????????? where is divine justice ???????????????
    And another question. Where does the Bible say about the construction of temples? The temple must be at heart in its own !!!
    1. Uncle
      Uncle 27 August 2012 01: 49
      -1
      Quote: Hamul
      And another question. Where does the Bible say about the construction of temples?
      The Lord himself explained to Moses how to build a temple.
      1. korvin1976
        korvin1976 27 August 2012 18: 09
        +1
        Uncle

        But is Moses the one from the Old Testament?
        If you give examples from the Old Testament, then you can present such that fascism will depart embarrassedly to the side.
        The Old Testament and Christianity are still slightly different things. Yes, it is mentioned and used, but Christianity is not built on this scripture.
        On the Old Testament, perhaps they wrote "MayKampf", but not like the Bible.
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 28 August 2012 19: 44
          0
          Quote: korvin1976
          The Old Testament and Christianity are still slightly different things.
          The entire Old Testament is permeated with instructions for the coming of the Messiah, that is, Christ. For that matter, John the Baptist is an Old Testament prophet. You may not be pleased to hear, but the Israelites are God's chosen people. Only they do not want to know God, and now God's chosen people are Christians, us, Russians. As an example of God's help in the fight against enemies, I will give an example of a victory in the Second World War, Giler was clearly stronger, but he was defeated.
          1. korvin1976
            korvin1976 29 August 2012 09: 54
            +1
            So you explain to me, in your opinion, the Old Testament, is it just a book that a savior will come or is it necessary to learn from the texts of the Old Testament?
  50. Aleks28
    Aleks28 26 August 2012 23: 50
    0
    Quote: Hamul
    YES AND MAKE THE CHURCH HONEST

    Well, do everything in your hands.