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The new face of the Arab "Tiger": Algeria chose armored vehicles from the UAE over Russian vehicles

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The new face of the Arab "Tiger": Algeria chose armored vehicles from the UAE over Russian vehicles

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Currently, the Russian armored car "Tiger" is widely represented in reconnaissance and peacekeeping units, in the military police of the RF Armed Forces. However, initially it was created at the request of the UAE, where they hoped to get a product similar to the American Hummers. After the creation of the product in 2001, the Russian developer and the Arab customer broke off cooperation, after which each of them went their own way.

Since then, the UAE has established the production of armored vehicles under the Nimr brand (which also translates as "tiger"). To date, according to the website of the company of the same name, over 2,5 thousand units of equipment have been manufactured. At the same time, Nimr products do not stand still, constantly evolving.

The latest developments were presented at IDEX-2021, held in February in Abu Dhabi. They are said to belong to the second generation of Nimr armored vehicles, "which overshadows the first," the AJBAN 4x4 and the HAFEET 6x6, the new face of the Arab Tiger.

With increased explosion absorption and ballistic protection, the new platforms provide a high level of performance in the harshest conditions

- stated in the official press release.

As stated, the new platforms have full versatility (you can make changes to the platform even in the middle of production) and increased maintainability (for example, replacing an engine [Cummins 360 hp instead of 300 hp] instead of 10 hours requires only 20 minutes in version of AJBAN MK2).

As reported in the EDGE concern, which includes the Nimr company, the Algerian military has already become interested in the new line series, in connection with which it is planned to establish its own production of cars [apparently, assembly]. As a result, despite Moscow's efforts to promote its own products, Algeria preferred armored vehicles from the UAE to Russian vehicles, which became the progenitors of a new line of armored products.

Some modifications of the new family:





Photos used:
Nimr website
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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty April 2 2021 04: 45
    +4
    Losing arms sales markets! Apparently, we need to change the approaches to the countries that buy weapons from us! Maybe there are problems in our logistics, maybe we don’t like the "export" version of this or that product, in any case, we need to find a solution to the problem so as not to lose potential customers like the same Algeria.
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter April 2 2021 04: 49
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      Maybe there are problems in our logistics, maybe we don’t like the "export" version of this or that product, in any case, we need to find a solution to the problem so as not to lose potential customers like Algeria.

      By the way, after the first deliveries of the Armor to the Arabs, the entire batch was returned for improvements and replacement of the KAMAZ platform with an imported one.
      1. Old tanker
        Old tanker April 2 2021 06: 30
        +17
        No need to spread fakes. For the Arabs, the original was an import platform based on the MAN under the Armor.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter April 2 2021 06: 47
          +5
          Quote: Old Tankman
          No need to spread fakes. For the Arabs, the original was an import platform based on the MAN under the Armor.

          Well, yes, well, yes, if I had not lived 5 km. from KBP, then you would surprise me laughing
          Here he is returning to the square
          1. Old tanker
            Old tanker April 2 2021 07: 24
            +6
            That is, living 5 km from the plant, judge by passing samples or have an insider at the plant? I live 5 km from the Sokol plant, but it is impossible to judge from which party they are and for whom they are intended by the MiG-31s ​​that fly by now and then. But a former colleague who works at this plant can tell about something.
            And yes, in all publications about "Pantsir-S1E", including on this site from 2012, it is mentioned that it was originally developed on the MAN platform. The car shown by you in the photo is similar to the basic exhibition version.

            Rather, in your photo, judging by the antenna, there is a later exhibition sample from the MAKS-2017 exhibition. At the time of delivery in the UAE, there was an earlier radar station, shown in my picture of the base model. Pay attention to the difference between the raised antenna in my picture and the lowered one on yours. So do not mislead the venerable public.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter April 2 2021 15: 19
              +3
              Quote: Old Tankman
              Oh is, living 5 km from the plant, judge by passing samples or have an insider at the plant?

              Listen, you don’t understand the hints, then I’ll say this, half of my stud. group works at a manufacturing plant, while I worked at a related one.
              So all of the business trips to the customer did not get out. I repeat once again, the first batch of the KAMAZ platform, then the Arabs demanded only MAN.
              Here they are in the workshop

              And figure out, pliz, what the stowed-transport position looks like, from the combat position. hi
              1. Old tanker
                Old tanker April 2 2021 17: 00
                +3
                Yes, I believe, I believe you. Of course it was. All hints were immediately clear. You should not "confirm" your words with a photo from a google search, without even delving into what the photo is. By doing this you only discredit yourself.
                Well, the fact that when delivering new equipment to the troops, breeders do not get out of business trips to the place of delivery - this is a well-known fact. Childhood diseases manifest themselves for a long time. Well, if half of your student group works at that plant, then you probably know that employees of service departments in general and for maintenance and repair of samples that have been in service for a long time. The same "Tungusok" and, do not believe, even the ancient P-18 radar cabins! According to your logic, it turns out that all our equipment is shit, moreover, since Soviet times, since breeders do not get out of business trips in parts fool hi
            2. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter April 2 2021 15: 53
              +3
              Quote: Old Tankman
              Pay attention to the difference between the raised antenna in my picture and the lowered one on yours. So do not mislead the venerable public.

              I hate to endure it when people do not know what to read and pass verdicts on misleading.
              Here is a customer's product

              Here, by this site, I go to the dacha every day in the summer.

              Here is Kamaz from the first delivered already in the local color
              1. Old tanker
                Old tanker April 2 2021 17: 03
                +1
                Do you always take professional photographic equipment to the dacha and stop for shooting? Uncle, are you spies?
                And is the playground really accessible to all passing summer residents?
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter April 2 2021 17: 26
                  -1
                  Quote: Old Tankman
                  And is the playground really accessible to all passing summer residents?

                  Yes, a real and ordinary phone is quite enough, children love to take pictures, besides, the general appearance of the products does not represent any secret, you can see them here, and children can climb at any more or less significant holiday in the city, and in any color and design.
                  And you, uncle, would not hurt to apologize, yeah.
                  1. Old tanker
                    Old tanker April 2 2021 17: 34
                    +1
                    Is this a site in a city park or at a factory?
                    I see no reason to apologize.
                    You should look at yourself first.
                    The photo on this site is taken from here
                    Test drive KamAZ-6560 with "Pantsir-S" air defense missile system - armored office
                    https://4kolesa.mirtesen.ru/blog/43605758781/Test-drayv-KamAZ-6560-s-ZRPK-Pantsir-S---bronirovannyiy-ofis
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter April 2 2021 17: 54
                      +1
                      Quote: Old Tankman
                      Pay attention to the difference between the raised antenna in my picture and the lowered one on yours. So do not mislead the venerable public.

                      Here for it.
                      And honestly, you drop that mentoring tone of yours, we all know how it is designed, how it is developed, where it is tested and where the service teams go, maybe the whole defense industry works the same way. Only there are few real specialists, the generation has left, and they recruited retired dummies, very drunk, and for acceptance, including, hence the sea of ​​jambs
                      Quote: Old Tankman
                      According to your logic, it turns out that all our equipment is shit, moreover, since Soviet times, since breeders do not get out of business trips in parts

                      Your second joint! Is this your logic some kind of curve, where I wrote that our technique "... from Soviet times"?
                      In general, you angered me, so goodbye. wink hi
                      PySy. the site is factory-made, unfenced, and the photos once hitting the tyrnets become the property of the public. Somehow, uncle. bully
      2. Dym71
        Dym71 April 2 2021 09: 10
        +2
        Quote: Stroporez
        By the way, after the first deliveries of the Armor to the Arabs, the entire batch was returned for improvements and replacement of the KAMAZ platform with an imported one.

        I visited the factory a couple of times, they always said that the rich Arabs initially order on the basis of MAN, because it is interesting and logical for them to serve one base, and the poor are accustomed to their diversity, and no one twitches from KAMAZ. hi
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter April 2 2021 17: 33
          -1
          Quote: Dym71
          I visited the factory a couple of times, they always said that the rich Arabs initially order on the basis of MAN, because it is interesting and logical for them to serve one base, and the poor are accustomed to their diversity, and no one twitches from KAMAZ.

          There are two factories. The Arabs were forced into Kamaz, but they constantly broke down, and the complexes were damp, so the locksmith was repaired, readjusted and installed on Manov platforms around the clock. The photo above shows that in the workshop the MAN cabin is of the same color, and the complex is already in the "desert". After that, only MAN was done, only that was a long time ago. hi laughing
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U April 2 2021 04: 57
      +6
      Quote: Thrifty
      Losing arms sales markets!

      Russia was not there, in the auto sector for sure, just an unsuccessful attempt.
      1. Old tanker
        Old tanker April 2 2021 06: 33
        +4
        Algeria is a traditional buyer of all types of Russian weapons. And in massive quantities.
        It is sad that he chose an Arab car for the assembly at home, and not the Russian "Athlete" or "Typhoon-VDV" for example.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U April 2 2021 06: 35
          +1
          Quote: Old Tankman
          Algeria traditional shopper

          Shame on me! As I saw the UAE, and everything, the visor fell. recourse
        2. Barberry25
          Barberry25 April 6 2021 23: 04
          0
          and they could not choose them because they are current
          1. Old tanker
            Old tanker April 7 2021 06: 20
            0
            A "Tiger", for example, was developed with the money of the Arabs, like "Pantsir" and they waited long enough. And the Athlete has already passed the factory tests. A Typhoon-Airborne Forces adopted.
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 April 7 2021 09: 42
              0
              and? run in front of the locomotive and start collecting over the hill? but then everyone will strangle themselves with anger
    3. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 April 2 2021 05: 06
      +12
      Competition. There you are either on horseback or under it. The thing is that she was buried and is now elected for political reasons or for possible sanctions. One must look at things sensibly. We are not just losing markets, but we are being pushed out of them. Sanctions, laws, pressure. And nothing can be done about it. Business in the sense that it was no longer exists. The world has changed. Now they choose not according to performance characteristics, but according to concepts. These are now the rules ... Now either changes in the world order or war. There are simply no other options
      1. Grandfather
        Grandfather April 2 2021 05: 53
        +2
        The new face of the Arab "Tiger": Algeria chose armored vehicles from the UAE over Russian vehicles
        not ... our Mo announced the purchase of "Chinese" ... what do you want, while maintaining the "reputation" ...? even Africa refuses already. the manachers are fucking ... zadolbali "menagerie" and cutting funds ... ugh ....
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 April 2 2021 11: 04
          0
          When and where did it announce this?) And remember already, the Moscow Region has always stopped a certain number of luxury cars. We simply do not produce them ourselves.
    4. Alexilyin
      Alexilyin April 2 2021 05: 55
      +8
      At the same time, Nimr products do not stand still, constantly evolving.
      that's why we lose that by creating something, we stop further improvement / development, in principle, not bad samples of VT. Unlike competitors.
      1. Eugene-Eugene
        April 2 2021 06: 14
        +2
        This is how the Athlete became the further development of the Tiger.
        1. Alexilyin
          Alexilyin April 2 2021 06: 22
          +1
          It is not known whether the AMN-1/2 "Athlete" will be able to get into service. Also, it is not yet clear which structures and divisions will receive this equipment. Earlier, the management of the "VPK" noted that the AMN-1/2 "Athlete" would become an addition to the existing "Tiger" and would solve other problems.
    5. Intruder
      Intruder April 2 2021 20: 17
      +2
      Losing arms sales markets! Apparently, it is necessary to change the approaches to the countries that buy weapons from us! Maybe there are problems in our logistics, maybe, I don’t like the "export" version of this or that product
      The Arabic classic clone of the Western MRAPa, and the Russian "Tiger" is a bit out of this class both technically and conceptually for the customer, so they chose a different option, they got used to them, simply and clearly ... plus perhaps they are not confident in the reliability of supplies from the manufacturer and other political things with restrictions from partners, for the future ...
    6. Barberry25
      Barberry25 April 6 2021 23: 02
      0
      the Arabs have nothing to catch - they threw the military-industrial complex with the hope that they could profit ... and in fact, except for themselves, Nimr is not needed by anyone, and they are buying a tiger, especially since there is already an Athlete on the way
  2. Holuay T.O
    Holuay T.O April 2 2021 05: 31
    -7
    I don't know how MO buys them? Tin
    1. Eugene-Eugene
      April 2 2021 05: 51
      0
      Well, it's better than BRDM, although Tigram water is contraindicated.
      1. Holuay T.O
        Holuay T.O April 2 2021 06: 48
        -5
        In Syria, they shy away from them, they ask for iveko, but there are few of them left
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 2 2021 07: 59
          +1
          Quote: Holuay T.O.
          In Syria, they shy away from them, they ask for iveko, but there are few of them left

          Syria does not ask for anything, but takes everything that is given to them. And only Russia and Iran give them.
          1. Holuay T.O
            Holuay T.O April 2 2021 08: 10
            -5
            Ours in Syria shy away
            1. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine April 2 2021 08: 13
              -3
              Quote: Holuay T.O.
              Ours in Syria shy away

              Who are yours? Ukrainians?
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 April 2 2021 11: 05
                -2
                I also look at the commandos did not calm down)))
      2. Intruder
        Intruder April 2 2021 20: 19
        0
        Well, it's better than BRDM
        and how much can it withstand under the belly, or a wheel !? Obviously less than in the article ... wink
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 April 2 2021 06: 06
    +5
    The fastidious take from us that which clearly surpasses everything available, the rest ...
    Now times will be even tougher !!! The buyer chooses by what criteria ... a difficult question, but it is better to have products that are very original, extremely high performance characteristics and other things necessary to attract.
    1. Grandfather
      Grandfather April 2 2021 06: 23
      -3
      Quote: rocket757
      but it is better to have products that are very original, exceptionally high performance characteristics and other things necessary to attract.

      we have completely "original" .... already lost count.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 2 2021 08: 18
        0
        We have different things ... I don't like it, go through the "bazaar" and find a better one.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine April 2 2021 08: 01
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      The buyer chooses according to what criteria ..

      When I come to the market for tomatoes, I do not take those that are offered to me, but those that I like, regardless of price and quality.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 April 2 2021 08: 20
        +4
        Now it’s not so ... because there, outside, next to our "product" there will be a serious, arrogant, evil uncle who will beat on the hands of those who are beginning to take an interest in OUR GOODS!
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine April 2 2021 08: 33
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          an impudent, evil uncle who will beat on the hands of those who become interested in OUR PRODUCT!

          It looks like in the early 90s in the St. Petersburg market, Azerbaijanis beat old women selling their tomatoes on the hands.
    3. Intruder
      Intruder April 2 2021 20: 20
      +2
      exceptionally high performance characteristics and other necessary to attract.
      It is difficult now, with "efficient" at the helm and the economy ...
  4. Adimius38
    Adimius38 April 2 2021 06: 54
    +3
    The arms market does not stand still, buyers need new interesting vehicles with improved characteristics. And to push everyone the same Tiger .... following the example of a Chevrolet Niva which has been snatched by a Russian buyer for years with the same dead engine is not very smart. It is in the RF Armed Forces that they say that it will go, and a foreign customer pays a lot of money and therefore chooses only the best.
  5. Professor
    Professor April 2 2021 07: 53
    +6
    As stated, the new platforms have full versatility (you can make changes to the platform even in the middle of production) and increased maintainability (for example, replacing an engine [Cummins 360 hp instead of 300 hp] instead of 10 hours requires only 20 minutes in version of AJBAN MK2).


    This is a significant advantage, although the engine itself is reliable and does not require frequent repairs.
    1. Maki Avellevich
      Maki Avellevich April 2 2021 10: 44
      +5
      Quote: Professor
      (for example, replacing the engine [Cummins 360 HP instead of 300 HP] instead of 10 hours requires only 20 minutes in the AJBAN MK2 version).

      well, 20 minutes is just a smoke and think about which keys to take /
      1. Professor
        Professor April 2 2021 10: 47
        +5
        Quote: Maki Avellevich
        Quote: Professor
        (for example, replacing the engine [Cummins 360 HP instead of 300 HP] instead of 10 hours requires only 20 minutes in the AJBAN MK2 version).

        well, 20 minutes is just a smoke and think about which keys to take /

        In Leopard, the power unit is changed slowly for 17 minutes. It's even faster in the Merkava.
        1. sokol77
          sokol77 April 2 2021 11: 46
          +2
          In our 80s, in 20 seconds. He just turned away, looked in the opposite direction. `` Well, your brother will only send you for death. '' Don't screw up garbage.
          1. Professor
            Professor April 2 2021 11: 55
            +3
            Quote: sokol77
            In our 80s, in 20 seconds. He just turned away, looked in the opposite direction. `` Well, your brother will only send you for death. '' Don't screw up garbage.

            I accept your apologies:

  6. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek April 2 2021 09: 35
    +1
    Apparently ... the modernized Tigers and Kamaz do not keep up with the UAE ... in terms of modernization.
  7. Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 April 3 2021 18: 24
    +2
    In matters of arms sales We need to approach "in a package"! Oh, you are so-so-so! Don't take the Tiger! This means that you will no longer have any more Preferences in other matters! Learn from America!
    1. SaLaR
      SaLaR April 3 2021 21: 47
      0
      America can afford it ... demand in a package ... Russia is gone ... lost time ... We need to start gaining weight anew ...
  8. AntiAleks
    AntiAleks April 4 2021 10: 08
    0
    Wonderful. More will remain for yourself.