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Digital Gulag or Safe City?

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As an employee of an enterprise specializing in the production and installation of security systems (video surveillance, burglar alarms, access control systems, etc.), I am rather skeptical about statements such as "the future digital gulag" and "we are all under the hood of Big Brother." ... I would like to share my opinion and experience on this issue.


None of the customers I know (law enforcement agencies, infrastructure facilities, enterprises with a large number of employees) imply the use of modern information technologies in the field of security for surveillance. Solely for tracking and preventing incidents. Even video analytics modules with face recognition are not tied to collecting information about faces caught in the lens. Exclusively for identifying persons already in the database and recording the time and place of identification of such a person. That is, if a common man in the street is not included in the search database, his digital footprint will simply be lost in terabytes of information on the servers. And even if there is a need to search for him in the future, based on the video footage already filmed, it will take a LOT of time and resources. And this is subject to the use of neural networks and programs - without them you can't find it at all.

But the statistics on offenses in places with installed video surveillance systems show that after the installation of these systems, the need for them ... disappears! Well, incidents almost completely stop happening where there are cameras (sensors). The case of the administration of one settlement with a request to remount the Safe City systems (video surveillance complex + citizen-police communication points) from the station square to a nearby park is also amusing. The motivation is simple - the budget does not allow to buy the second system, there has not been a single incident at the station square for a year and a half, and in the park every week it almost comes to shooting. The relationship between officials became visible only after a month of correspondence.

Impunity gives rise to permissiveness. And unfortunately, the realities of our time are such that digital security systems are indispensable if you want to live without fear.
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  1. Blackmokona
    Blackmokona April 4 2021 12: 07
    +18
    Author, this is the definition of surveillance
    Even video analytics modules with face recognition are not tied to collecting information about faces caught in the lens. Exclusively for identifying persons already in the database and recording the time and place of identification of such a person.

    And everyone will be entered into the databases, it's only a matter of time.
    There will be for each log, which of course is needed solely to prevent various incidents. For example, any acts of dissent.
    1. marchcat
      marchcat April 4 2021 12: 16
      0
      we are all under the hood of Big Brother
      In my opinion, this whole digital hood will lead us to total chaos. Indeed, for each nut with a left-hand thread, there is a bolt.
      1. military_cat
        military_cat April 4 2021 12: 22
        +15
        Good article. +15 social rating points for this author.
        1. Machito
          Machito April 4 2021 13: 39
          +13
          If you do not suffer from paranoia, this does not mean that they do not follow.
          At Sberbank, upon receipt of the card, the client is photographed. Fingerprints and retinal scans of the entire population are a matter of the future, although they are already quite ancient technologies. Cell phone surveillance is a matter of today. In recent years, terrorist attacks have practically stopped in the Russian Federation. Terrorists are detained at the time of preparation of a terrorist attack.
          Digital slavery will be fully formalized by the end of this decade. All information about each person will be available to the authorities in a matter of seconds. Everything is like in the movie Die Hard 4. Criminals and dissidents will receive blocked money and property and a place in the camp. The only way to avoid digital slavery is to flee into the taiga.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 April 4 2021 14: 07
            +14
            In addition to digital slavery, there is one more nuance: it is the collection of information about market opportunities. Everything that is sold, how much is sold and bought, with complete and accurate information about it, Large stores (transnational corporations) will quickly calculate and kill any local business
            1. region58
              region58 April 4 2021 18: 45
              +1
              Quote: aybolyt678
              one more nuance


              smile
          2. Svarog
            Svarog April 4 2021 14: 51
            +5
            Everything is like in the movie Die Hard 4.

            And then everything will develop, as in the movie "Time"
            Criminals and dissidents will receive blocked money and property and a place in the camp.

            With dissidents, this is already happening .. and not only with them .. In Kazan, two years ago, thrown equity holders organized their own "club" and decided to send their representative to Moscow .. threw money on the activist's card .. there was a savings card. . and was immediately blocked.
            So you are absolutely right and all this is already there ..
            1. fuffi
              fuffi April 7 2021 11: 11
              -1
              Semshno. Kakrta was blocked on the basis of suspicion of fraud, because transfers to it suddenly began to arrive in a short period of time. And not because in Moscow they figured out another "Siberian shaman" laughing Well, to get from Kazan to Moscow is not enough money to collect around the world. By car, so close at all laughing But some have to look for a black room in a black cat
          3. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky April 4 2021 15: 10
            +10
            That's all right. The author drew just one elephant out of many, on which the digital GULAG will be based and which must be considered in conjunction with other possibilities of personal control in the era of the upcoming digitalization. Face recognition system, mobile communications with geolocation, purchases linked to a bank card with the ability to track the ratio of income (+ sources of their receipt) and spending to official income, the Internet with the ability to establish the circle of communication of a person and his interests through social networks, etc. ... When this is brought together into a single system, then any potential Vasya Pupkin will be tracked hourly 24 hours a day, unless, of course, he leaves for the Putorana Plateau and falls out of sight of the "caring" eye of the sovereign, and when he is drawn again, it will not the fact that he will not have to report on the temporary acquisition of the "invisible" status.
            1. Machito
              Machito April 4 2021 15: 46
              +6
              On the Putorana plateau - good: mushrooms, berries, animals, wedmedia, char, red caviar. good fellow
            2. SHURUM -BURUM
              SHURUM -BURUM April 4 2021 20: 34
              +2
              I have big doubts. Once in a video report from a house camera they showed how in broad daylight a bully took away a bag of groceries from an old grandmother. So there the face of the bully cannot be made out, daub. What is face filtering? For cameras of quality 400 x 840 pixels? Perhaps there are others on the waybills ... Who wants to see the quality of street cameras, look at the street VEB cameras in America, England, Europe or South Korea. Peter also seems to have finally pulled himself up to a decent quality))
          4. lis-ik
            lis-ik April 4 2021 20: 56
            +3
            Quote: Bearded
            At Sberbank, upon receipt of the card, the client is photographed.

            this is probably if you take out a loan, and so I was definitely not photographed.
            1. Machito
              Machito April 4 2021 22: 18
              +2
              Quote: lis-ik
              Quote: Bearded
              At Sberbank, upon receipt of the card, the client is photographed.

              this is probably if you take out a loan, and so I was definitely not photographed.

              When applying for a debit card. Big Brother is watching me. And they will close the mnu for scribbling on the VO. laughing good
          5. TANKISTONE
            TANKISTONE April 29 2021 21: 06
            0
            Bearded man (bearded man) The only way to avoid digital slavery is to flee into the taiga.
            For everyone who fled to the taiga, there is a digital Ermak ...
        2. Dmt
          April 5 2021 10: 01
          +2
          Quote: military_cat
          Good article. +15 social rating points for this author.

          The joke is counted!
      2. polinet
        polinet April 4 2021 13: 48
        +11
        once you start using your mobile phone, you are already under the hood. And the cameras in the elevator have already justified themselves - they stopped pissing)))
        1. DED_peer_DED
          DED_peer_DED April 4 2021 14: 17
          +4
          Quote: polinet
          And the cameras in the elevator have already justified themselves - they stopped pissing)))

          Instead of correct and at the state level education of the younger generation, cameras are being introduced in the entrances.
          Nice approach.
          And the money will be transferred to someone "brotherly".
          And, the upbringing of a person bears the current continuous losses to the state and zero profit to hangers-on.
        2. Rosko
          Rosko April 5 2021 08: 53
          +4
          Or maybe it's time to make street toilets free again, as in the USSR, as in the "decaying" west, so that people can satisfy their needs, and not look for corners, bushes and elevators.
          1. notingem
            notingem April 5 2021 10: 13
            0
            I won't get to the toilets for a long time, the brains are not the same. Only cameras
          2. Dmt
            April 5 2021 10: 21
            +1
            Quote: Rosko
            Or maybe it's time to make street toilets free again, like in the USSR, as in the "decaying" west?

            Realities are such that funds are needed for this. Again from taxes? And how such undertakings are being implemented in a modern country, we all know ... It is noteworthy that the West from the USSR took over the free toilets. request
            1. SVD68
              SVD68 April 5 2021 17: 44
              +2
              Quote: DMT
              The realities are such that funds are needed for this. Again from taxes?

              Of course, it is much better, instead of free toilets, to poke around cameras and fine those who pee in a non-paid toilet. Income, not expenses, however. smile
    2. ccsr
      ccsr April 4 2021 12: 21
      +1
      Quote: BlackMokona
      And everyone will be entered into the databases, it's only a matter of time.

      I think that it is quite enough for the NSA and the CIA to track several tens of thousands, at least one or two hundred thousand people in Russia in order to understand what is happening in our country and what is being planned in our country. And all the other people do not play any role for them - this is just an extra, on which decision-making at the state level does not depend, which means that the enemy's special services have no interest in their activities.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona April 4 2021 12: 24
        +6
        I think that it is quite enough for the NSA and the CIA to track several tens of thousands, at least one or two hundred thousand people in Russia in order to understand what is happening in our country and what is being planned in our country. And all the other people do not play any role for them - this is just an extra, on which decision-making at the state level does not depend, which means that the enemy's special services have no interest in their activities.

        Often it is not known in advance who enters or will go to the VIP list, you can collect just about everyone and if a person becomes a VIP, then you can immediately see his entire history.
      2. Svarog
        Svarog April 4 2021 14: 53
        +5
        Quote: ccsr
        I think that it is quite enough for the NSA and the CIA to track several tens of thousands, at least one or two hundred thousand people in Russia in order to understand what is happening in our country and what is being planned in our country.

        To understand this, just ask the relatives of high-ranking officials who live abroad .. they will gladly tell you everything ..
    3. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara April 4 2021 12: 58
      +9
      Quote: BlackMokona
      Author, this is the definition of surveillance
      Even video analytics modules with face recognition are not tied to collecting information about faces caught in the lens. Exclusively for identifying persons already in the database and recording the time and place of identification of such a person.

      And everyone will be entered into the databases, it's only a matter of time.
      There will be for each log, which of course is needed solely to prevent various incidents. For example, any acts of dissent.

      I completely agree. This is digital slavery. You are tied to a phone number and a smartphone, your localization is monitored 24/7. Functions are gradually being taken away from cash; it is no longer possible to pay for everything without a card. + now it is mandatory to install certain programs on all smartphones, oh yeah, of course, they will not collect a single byte of information about you. Say buy-by-cart end-to-end encryption, your personal keylogger will put everything in its place. This is no longer the GULAG, this is digital slavery. And in the "enemies of the people" our state will write any dissent
      1. ANB
        ANB April 4 2021 13: 28
        +15
        ... This is no longer the GULAG, this is digital slavery.

        People quite voluntarily sign up for it, posting every step and sneeze on their pages in social networks. Cameras won't be needed soon.
        1. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara April 4 2021 13: 31
          +6
          Quote: ANB
          ... This is no longer the GULAG, this is digital slavery.

          People quite voluntarily sign up for it, posting every step and sneeze on their pages in social networks. Cameras won't be needed soon.

          I am not in social networks at all, but thanks to the software preinstallation I will be under the hood
          1. ANB
            ANB April 4 2021 13: 45
            -4
            ... I am not in social networks at all, but thanks to the preset

            If you were smart enough not to start pages on social networks, then you really get rid of tracking on your smartphone - this is absolutely nonsense. :) And there will be nothing tracking, it is expensive.
            1. dauria
              dauria April 4 2021 14: 14
              +14
              then getting rid of tracking on a smartphone is completely nonsense


              Will not work. Mobile phone tracked always... Before the internet. This is just a wireless handset with a range of no more than 32 km (from the condition of the time division of the frequency channel between subscribers), which connects to one of the bases (cells), and its position is always known to within a meter by the differential-rangefinder navigation method. As well as the transmission from cell to cell when moving. Do not indulge yourself with illusions. Even when you carry the ancient Alcatel push-button, you are carrying a radio beacon. It doesn't matter if you say it, or it's just in your pocket.
              The only way is to turn it off completely. Or buy a chocolate bar, gobble it up, and wrap the phone in the remaining foil. laughing
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik April 4 2021 14: 20
                +4
                Each automatic telephone exchange for mobile and wire communication has FSB equipment, which can independently connect to any communication line to wiretap or obtain the necessary information. Nothing depends on the operator at all.
                1. dauria
                  dauria April 4 2021 14: 31
                  +9
                  Nothing depends on the operator at all.


                  The funny thing is that it is not even the FSB that needs to know the coordinates of the phone, but the cellular communication system itself. Otherwise you can't build it. And all the routes (which mistress he slept with, where he went, traveled, which phones he crossed with), plus some left information (registration, work, footage from surveillance cameras in places visited) - and all the ins and outs
                  clear. It's just that "serious" uncles are not interested in your dirty underwear. They already know very well what a decent average citizen is.
                2. DED_peer_DED
                  DED_peer_DED April 4 2021 14: 34
                  +2
                  For example, SORM.
                3. Dread
                  Dread April 4 2021 15: 34
                  -1
                  Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                  In each PBX mobile and wired communication there is FSB equipment ...

                  OgnennyiKotik, no need to write fairy tales!
                  Not in all coordinate exchanges, and also did not stand in 5ESS automatic telephone exchanges, in Siemens automatic telephone exchanges of the first models, where connection is not provided. And foreigners don’t give the concept of their equipment.
                  And when you connect eavesdropping equipment, you can often hear
                  a characteristic howl and background, in view of the line mismatch, which is a problem for specialists from the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other structures.
                  1. Dread
                    Dread April 4 2021 15: 53
                    -2
                    PS. Conversations are usually not recorded. The call time and duration in minutes are recorded, otherwise the server capacity will not be enough. Conversations are recorded only when a criminal case is initiated and in other similar cases (for example, when a resident of the country is suspected of espionage, and so on).
                    1. bk0010
                      bk0010 April 4 2021 18: 12
                      +4
                      Quote: Dread
                      PS. Conversations are usually not recorded
                      Have you read about Yarovaya's law?
                      And yes, everything is bugged: read about SORM. What cannot be heard is not allowed to operate.
                      1. Dread
                        Dread April 4 2021 21: 12
                        -2
                        Quote: bk0010
                        Have you read about Yarovaya's law?
                        And yes, everything is bugged: read about SORM.

                        bk0010, cannot be written per day millions of conversations residents of Russia in a day, the server memory will not be enough. I am writing to you about the real data when I dealt with this. Yarovaya is just a dummy that previously worked in the prosecutor's office, and does not understand anything about the capabilities of the equipment ... And even more so, you need to write down a year over several billion conversations and then store for 3 to three years. Physically, it is impossible to do this, while it is also necessary to provide for redundancy systems, and so on ...
                4. ZAV69
                  ZAV69 April 4 2021 15: 46
                  0
                  Each automatic telephone exchange does not have FSB equipment, it is just that the automatic telephone exchange uses the "legal monitoring" function, with the help of which the FSB can listen to anyone it needs.
              2. ANB
                ANB April 4 2021 14: 31
                +3
                ... Will not work. The mobile phone has always been tracked.

                I meant new ways of tracking through additional applications.
                Otherwise, you're right. But all this has already been there since the mass use of cell phones.
                The only thing is that the accuracy of up to meters on the towers is unattainable.
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik April 4 2021 14: 34
                  +4
                  Quote: ANB
                  The only thing is that the accuracy of up to meters on the towers is unattainable.

                  You are mistaken laughing I personally looked at such detailing of my movements at the end of the 2s. Accuracy up to 3-XNUMX meters. winked
                2. dauria
                  dauria April 4 2021 14: 41
                  +4
                  The only thing is that the accuracy of up to meters on the towers is unattainable.


                  The old phones had an engineering menu that gave the distance to neighboring cells up to a meter. Request-response, delay is multiplied by the speed of light. Then the system draws three circles on the map - we get a triangle of errors. It's easy in the city (the height of the apartment floor will give a small error). In rural areas, with a linear arrangement of rare cells on the verge of distance along the roads, it is more difficult. But there are enough additional factors, for example, the speed of movement - it is unlikely that you will drive through the forest 60 km per hour. wink
              3. ccsr
                ccsr April 4 2021 16: 56
                +3
                Quote: dauria
                Even when you carry the oldest Alcatel push-button, you are carrying a radio beacon. It doesn't matter if you say this, or if it's just in your pocket.
                The only way is to turn it off completely. Or buy a chocolate bar, gobble it up, and wrap the phone in the remaining foil.

                Yes it is, and it is better to throw the phone away and not carry it with you. At worst, steal from someone with a SIM card, or buy from a dubious person at a flea market and try to find a SIM card of some deceased person.
                But even in this case, you need to avoid talking on it, but only exchange SMS messages - all the special services of the world have long mastered identification by voice.
                1. Tank hard
                  Tank hard April 4 2021 21: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: ccsr
                  together with a sim card,

                  They will track it even without a SIM card, truncated is already in the phone. repeat It's another matter whether they will consider it necessary to spend time and resources on you, and if they decide, tady-oh!
              4. Dmt
                April 5 2021 10: 03
                0
                Quote: dauria
                Or buy a chocolate bar, gobble it up, and wrap the phone in the remaining foil.

                And don't forget the foil hat on your head!
                1. dauria
                  dauria April 5 2021 10: 13
                  0
                  And don't forget the foil hat on your head!


                  You laugh in vain .. laughing Just repeat this experience. Is there a couple of telephones and a chocolate bar in the house? A long time ago, my then little five-year-old daughter did this trick. And the phone became "unavailable". Even if the second one is two steps away from the "wrapped" one. After all, they do not communicate with each other, but with the "hundredth". To which it is already 200 meters. But it is useless to put in a saucepan - the gap between the lid and the pan works like a slot antenna.
                  1. Dmt
                    April 5 2021 10: 16
                    +1
                    Quote: dauria
                    And don't forget the foil hat on your head!


                    You laugh in vain .. laughing Just repeat this experience.

                    The sarcasm was not about whether the method works or not, but about the meaning of these actions. Is there something to hide? If not, use your gadget calmly and don't worry about surveillance. Nafig nobody needs you.
                    1. dauria
                      dauria April 5 2021 10: 34
                      0
                      ... Is there something to hide? Nafig nobody needs you.

                      So, are you the author of the article? Well, then the first thing is not to "poke". And second, everyone is hiding something. Including you. And you lie at least 20 times a day. This is the norm. And you will not agree that your wife or bosses have access to the map of your movements around the city at any time. laughing
                      And our special services don't need you. They know perfectly well the average "mug" of a respectable family man. And they will be interested only when the computer program detects a deviation from the norm in the "behavior of your phone".
                      1. Pensive Lawyer
                        Pensive Lawyer April 5 2021 19: 21
                        0
                        Now let's add some realism to your erroneous point of view.
                        1) Indeed, you can listen to anyone. However, this requires a court order. The authorities play here quite regularly according to the rules established by the authorities themselves. On the basis of a court sanction, a corresponding request is sent to the cellular operator.
                        2) Your ins and outs, as well as most of the fighters against the regime, are absolutely not interested in power. Interest is present in some of the leaders and only from the moment when they become leaders, and worries exclusively about their law-abidingness. Everything that came before, if not a crime, is uninteresting. If it is a crime, let them sit, once for the cause.
                        3) I do not see any "slavery" in the fact that the special services will have some information about me.
                        I have nothing to hide from them. Of course, everyone has secrets, but usually we hide something from specific people. If, to put it bluntly, an employee finds out which actresses of the adult genre are in my taste - let, maybe, the person will also look, be happy.
                        And slavery, let's face it, is the restriction of our freedoms. What limits the hypothetical wiretapping? Nothing that is legal.
                        4) The authorities also need dissent. Dissenting people can unwittingly point out flaws, help in optimization. Dissent is necessary for development, because development is always a struggle. So do not worry, no one will pull the opponents of EDRA.
                        5) What I agree with is the blocking of cards when money is received from several persons. Banks go overboard to hunt people doing business without registration. I think that in this part the mechanism will be improved, so far it looks like a beast limping on all 4 legs.
              5. Vol4ara
                Vol4ara April 7 2021 13: 19
                +1
                Quote: dauria
                then getting rid of tracking on a smartphone is completely nonsense


                Will not work. Mobile phone tracked always... Before the internet. This is just a wireless handset with a range of no more than 32 km (from the condition of the time division of the frequency channel between subscribers), which connects to one of the bases (cells), and its position is always known to within a meter by the differential-rangefinder navigation method. As well as the transmission from cell to cell when moving. Do not indulge yourself with illusions. Even when you carry the ancient Alcatel push-button, you are carrying a radio beacon. It doesn't matter if you say it, or it's just in your pocket.
                The only way is to turn it off completely. Or buy a chocolate bar, gobble it up, and wrap the phone in the remaining foil. laughing

                Cases and handbags for mobiles with faraday cage are now on sale
            2. DED_peer_DED
              DED_peer_DED April 4 2021 14: 38
              +3
              Quote: ANB
              then getting rid of tracking on a smartphone is completely nonsense

              Your current location (with a phone in your pocket) is known at any time by the "cell", ie. mobile cell stations always monitor the activity of your phone, and know its location among themselves. And without any GPS, according to the method -
            3. Machito
              Machito April 4 2021 22: 21
              +2
              Quote: ANB
              ... I am not in social networks at all, but thanks to the preset

              If you were smart enough not to start pages on social networks, then you really get rid of tracking on your smartphone - this is absolutely nonsense. :) And there will be nothing tracking, it is expensive.

              To date, the only thing missing in a smartphone is needles with potassium cyanide for elimination.
      2. fuffi
        fuffi April 7 2021 11: 13
        0
        Who prevents you from not enjoying the benefits of civilization and being invisible to the regime? laughing Are they forcibly forced to upload their lives to the network? laughing
    4. Terenin
      Terenin April 4 2021 12: 58
      +7
      Don't worry, this country's familiar bureaucratic inefficiency will keep us from building a nationwide public safety network for a long time to come.

      Won in China does not bother with questions of dissent No.

      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor April 4 2021 13: 06
        +5
        this is all good .. for people in a situation, plus what? (except that their money was spent on it)
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      3. atakan
        atakan April 4 2021 13: 57
        0
        Won in China does not bother with questions of dissent no


        It's troublesome. There must be a lot of problems. And the mask is generally one big problem.
        1. Machito
          Machito April 4 2021 22: 28
          +1
          Quote: atakan
          Won in China does not bother with questions of dissent no


          It's troublesome. There must be a lot of problems. And the mask is generally one big problem.

          No problem, the face recognition program works on the control points on the face. A beard, mustache, cotton wool for the cheeks are not a hindrance for her.
    5. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED April 4 2021 14: 08
      +7
      For example, any acts of dissent.

      The authorities will solve the problem of the "Digital Gulag" in a comprehensive manner.
      For example, it is impossible to start a war and win it using only means of defense, without means of attack.
      Widespread video surveillance is only one of the means of creating a "Digital Gulag", but it is also important and necessary.
      I will try to list at least something from this complex (not in order of importance, just a list).
      Video surveillance, BIOPasportization (in the complex of measures for its introduction and application), SORM, Geolocation, Mobile (and not only) Internet (there are VERY many different factors and methods), Mobile communications, Bank cards, Other cards, TIN, Payment by smartphone, Unified State ... DB for all citizens, AI on all "fronts", Vaccination (as a way of introducing and starting accounting for "obedient citizens"), Checking apartments and residents (under the guise of checking the legality of housing rebuildings), Checking private households, etc., etc. P.
      Such writers will continue to haunt such articles, dividing the comprehensive measures to introduce the "Digital Gulag" in parts, to "clarify the harmlessness" of its individual topics, in isolation from the rest. Thus, forming among citizens a misunderstanding of the goals of the activities being carried out and developing a sense of "complacency" in the society.
      "People, be careful!" Julius Fucik
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    7. ximkim
      ximkim April 4 2021 19: 33
      +1
      The database will include those who left traces or leads at the place of illegal action.
      If in the first cases there were traces (which were entered into the database), then when the offender went to the bank to issue a card, etc. then you can get under the recognition.
      1. Machito
        Machito April 4 2021 22: 30
        +2
        Quote: ximkim
        The database will include those who left traces or leads at the place of illegal action.
        If in the first cases there were traces (which were entered into the database), then when the offender went to the bank to issue a card, etc. then you can get under the recognition.

        All are entered into the database. Total control. One step to the left, one step to the right, the shooting on the spot.
        1. Pensive Lawyer
          Pensive Lawyer April 5 2021 19: 28
          0
          Then you, mister Borodach, as well as 2/3 of the commentators here, would have already left for you.
          But you are still here. This means that either you are not interesting, or you are exaggerating, or, as I think, both the first and the second.
          1. Machito
            Machito April 5 2021 19: 53
            +1
            If I am not interesting to anyone, this does not mean that they do not collect dirt on me. There would be a person, but there is an article.
            1. Pensive Lawyer
              Pensive Lawyer April 5 2021 20: 33
              0
              I assure you, they do not collect. Comrades are loaded with work, they work far from 8 hours a day, and to collect dirt on everyone in a row - believe me, they also want to relax there, and people there are also family, not fanatics.
              And there is no way to trust the program - we are all different, what is the weak point of one is not the same for the other.
              Compromising evidence is collected specifically for pressure, and the program will not be able to understand what exactly is incriminating evidence for a particular person. This requires empathy, that is, artificial consciousness, not intelligence, which no one has yet created.
              1. Machito
                Machito April 5 2021 21: 00
                -1
                I recommend you watch the bearded film, I don't remember what year it was released, Die Hard 4 starring Bruce Willis in the title role of Inspector McClain. You will learn a lot of new things.
                Have you heard of supercomputers? I assure you, your data is saved to the supercomputer. As long as you behave law-abiding and loyal to the authorities, nobody needs you. But if you start an activity similar to Grudinin or Platoshkin, a short leash will quickly be thrown around your neck.
    8. Tank hard
      Tank hard April 4 2021 21: 46
      +4
      Quote: BlackMokona
      And everyone will be entered into the databases, it's only a matter of time.

      Having bought a modern cell phone, you, in fact, are already under scrutiny. Everything happened a long time ago ... Anyone can be easily tracked by phone (print, listen). Well, for example, the villains committed a bad deed, those who unravel this case took and looked at all the cell phones that were nearby at that time, and let's work out the owners ... Well, this is a primitive explanation. To a reasonable question, why can't they track all sorts of telephone scammers? I would venture to suggest such an answer, but who needs it, except for the victims? Something like this ... For those who do not agree, I will add-IMHO.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 April 4 2021 12: 09
    -1
    Digital Gulag or Safe City?
    ... An expensive pleasure ... a full-fledged organization of such a thing, even in the long term, is not visible, because this gem / O / r is very expensive and no one really needs it.
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona April 4 2021 12: 11
      +5
      All this is constantly getting cheaper in dollars. Terabytes are getting cheaper, recognition systems are getting better, everyone already wears a smartphone with all the necessary sensors for tracking, cameras, microphones and so on. The law on the pre-installation of Russian software has already been adopted. Then he will simply add the necessary tracking software that will be prohibited from deleting on pain of criminal prosecution. Show your smartphone, a receipt for the availability of the application, in case of absence, welcome to the department.
      1. Bolt cutter
        Bolt cutter April 4 2021 12: 19
        +1
        Show your smartphone, receipt for the application
        And if the phone is a push-button?
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona April 4 2021 12: 20
          -8
          Do you think it is difficult to pass a law obliging every citizen of Russia to have a smartphone?
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter April 4 2021 12: 23
            +6
            Most likely, it is difficult. In addition, you can forget it at home or forget to charge it. This is an obvious overkill and smacks of foil caps.
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona April 4 2021 12: 31
              -8
              Here from all sorts of Gaster documents are asked and forgotten at home does not canal. It will also be easy with smartphones, forgot the fine at home, forgot 10 days for the second time, again forgetting means a foreign agent
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter April 4 2021 12: 35
                +2
                "Paranoia ran after me, screaming and howling."
                Those who need to be tracked. Who doesn’t need them, they just don’t need them. It is necessary to tighten the nuts imperceptibly, and not clumsily, forcing to carry smartphones. In addition, they can be put in a pocket made of radio tissue. yes
                1. WIKI
                  WIKI April 4 2021 13: 36
                  +4
                  Quote: Bolt Cutter
                  Those who need to be tracked. Who doesn’t need them, they just don’t need them.

                  There is a country in which the state is interested in all citizens without exception. You can treat this differently, but it already exists. In China, on 01.01.2021, a new civil code was adopted, which officially legalized the "System of Social Credit". The essence of the idea of ​​the Chinese specialists was the proposal to endow the inhabitants of the conditional city N with a certain amount of points. A single information center analyzes each of 160 thousand different parameters out of 142. Under the new code, the Chinese will receive points for:
                  participating in charitable activities, caring for elderly family members, good relations with neighbors and helping the poor, donating blood, supporting the government on social networks, having a good financial credit history, committing any heroic deed.
                  etc.
                  Citizens can deduct points for:
                  violation of traffic rules, participating in a protest against the authorities and posting anti-government messages on social networks, unsatisfactory assistance to aging parents, spreading rumors and fakes on the Internet, insincere apologies for crimes committed, participation in sects and cheating in online games.
              2. Lannan Shi
                Lannan Shi April 4 2021 12: 38
                +8
                Quote: BlackMokona
                ... It will also be easy with smartphones, I forgot the fine at home

                There is a whole layer of citizens for whom smart is not an affordable luxury. How will they be with them? Shoot preemptively?
                1. Blackmokona
                  Blackmokona April 4 2021 12: 40
                  -6
                  You obviously haven't looked at prices and offers for a long time
                  BEST SMARTPHONES UNDER 3000 RUBLES 2019

                  https://expert-kachestva.ru/luchshie-tovary/telefony/luchshie-smartfony-do-3000-rublej-2018.html
                  1. Lannan Shi
                    Lannan Shi April 4 2021 12: 49
                    +7
                    Quote: BlackMokona
                    BEST SMARTPHONES UP TO 3000 RUBLES

                    Can you ask? How old are you? That you still believe in fairy tales. Buying a smart, from the price category "up to three", and even with the obligatory use in 24/7 mode ... It threatens to become an occupation no less regular than buying bread. For these devices, if not disposable, are not far from this. yes
                    Although you know ... In Russia there are 20 million people living on amounts below the subsistence level. Those. for them, and for 3 is expensive, and for 1.5 too. For they do not have enough food. So what to do with them? It is useless to fine. Plant? 20 million? Stupidly nowhere. Shoot?
                    1. rocket757
                      rocket757 April 4 2021 13: 03
                      +2
                      Smartphones up to 3000, dull as a cork. Neither place is normal, programs are more difficult than "Tetris" only work with jambs .... hopeless.
                    2. AUL
                      AUL April 4 2021 13: 24
                      +9
                      But I have two phones - a push-button Philips for 2 sput and a year ago my son fitted a pretty cool smartphone. So this smart is still lying quietly, it has not made a single call from it yet. As it was on the account of 300 r when buying a SIM card, it still hangs (for some reason, 314,9 r, from where?) And the Internet is 1000 MB. It is inconvenient for me, hefty, it does not fit into every pocket, it is necessary to charge it daily (Phillips - once a week). The only plus is that the camera is good. Of course, there are a couple of useful pribluds in the applications, but you can live without them. And the Internet is enough for me and at home in the laptop. Here I am such a dense retrograde! lol
                      1. Ua3qhp
                        Ua3qhp April 5 2021 17: 02
                        0
                        Similarly
                    3. Roman070280
                      Roman070280 April 5 2021 10: 22
                      -5
                      for them, and for 3 is expensive, and for 1.5 too. For they do not have enough food. So what to do with them? It is useless to fine.
                      Nobody cares what there is / is not enough for food ..
                      You get a passport - you go and pay a fee, you pay for any document or service .. So there won't be any problems with this either ..
                2. ANB
                  ANB April 4 2021 13: 32
                  +5
                  ... Shoot preemptively?

                  Give away for free. :)
                  Electricity and gas to the house are paid for, and smart cards are free.
                  Oh, for everything to work, it is necessary that the state itself pays for communications.
                  Sur.
                3. polinet
                  polinet April 4 2021 13: 49
                  -7
                  I want to ask a question - why? Do not break the laws and the Ministry of Internal Affairs will not touch you.
                  1. Revival
                    Revival April 4 2021 14: 20
                    +7
                    For example, the law on top criticism, right?
                    Approve and you won't be touched, right?
                    1. ZAV69
                      ZAV69 April 4 2021 15: 53
                      0
                      Quote: Revival

                      For example, the law on top criticism, right?

                      Did they accept this?
                  2. bk0010
                    bk0010 April 4 2021 18: 16
                    +2
                    Quote: polinet
                    Do not break the laws and the Ministry of Internal Affairs will not touch you.
                    They will not touch them themselves, so they will sell information to bandits or competitors. And there is no need to shout that not all of them are corrupt, one salesman with access to data is enough.
                4. DED_peer_DED
                  DED_peer_DED April 4 2021 14: 51
                  +5
                  Quote: Lannan Shi
                  There is a whole layer of citizens for whom smart is not an affordable luxury. How will they be with them? Shoot preemptively?

                  They will simply automatically become "non-citizens." Having lost the last rights.
                5. ximkim
                  ximkim April 4 2021 19: 43
                  +1
                  sanctions will be introduced lol
                6. Roman070280
                  Roman070280 April 5 2021 10: 20
                  -4
                  There is a whole layer of citizens for whom smart is not an affordable luxury. How will they be with them? Shoot preemptively?

                  In the early 2000s, I also thought about insurance ..
                  When there were still a lot of "sixes" Zhiguli for 20 thousand .. what grandfather would dare to fork out for insurance, giving it his whole pension in order to dangle to the dacha for potatoes .. it's easier to throw out the car ..
                  However, everyone was obliged to insure, and no one whines that there is no money for food ..
                  All sorts of water and electricity meters also set everything up and believe for their money .. So I completely agree - over time, chips / phones will be obligatory ..
                  1. fuffi
                    fuffi April 7 2021 11: 16
                    0
                    And thank God that it was introduced. The market has become more civilized. The likelihood that such a grandfather or a youngster from whom there is nothing to take will break your car and you will find yourself on the money reduced significantly.
                    1. Roman070280
                      Roman070280 April 7 2021 11: 19
                      0
                      And thank God that it was introduced.


                      It was not about fame or not, thank God, but about the fact that up there no one cares whether people have money for this or not ..

                      There is a whole layer of citizens for whom smart is not an affordable luxury. How will they be with them? Shoot preemptively?
                      This was the answer ..
                      1. fuffi
                        fuffi April 26 2021 13: 16
                        +1
                        The most deshman smart is 3-4 thousand. quite a lifting amount. Squeezing tears about nothing. The same as crying about turning off analog TV, how will grandmothers live without a TV.
          2. Grandfather
            Grandfather April 4 2021 12: 30
            -1
            Quote: BlackMokona
            Do you think it is difficult to pass a law obliging every citizen of Russia to have a smartphone?

            just the chip will be driven under the skin ..
            1. DED_peer_DED
              DED_peer_DED April 4 2021 14: 55
              +1
              Quote: Dead Day
              just the chip will be driven under the skin ..

              So far, at this stage, this is not necessary. And they won't force the chip in. This will not give them the complete subordination of the soul of a given person to them.
              A person must agree to become completely controlled by himself. Because of his fear, thoughtlessness or belief in the correctness of what he does with him.
            2. fuffi
              fuffi April 7 2021 11: 42
              0
              for this, the Sputnik vaccination was developed. Didn't you know? This is you they hang noodles that it is from the coronavirus
          3. Machito
            Machito April 4 2021 22: 34
            +1
            Quote: BlackMokona
            Do you think it is difficult to pass a law obliging every citizen of Russia to have a smartphone?

            By and large, it is already profitable for the state to give out smartphones to citizens for free. The fact that we are forced to buy bugs for ourselves at our own expense adds to the cynicism of the situation.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr April 5 2021 12: 06
              -1
              Quote: Bearded
              By and large, it is already profitable for the state to give out smartphones to citizens for free.

              By and large, the "state" represented by a certain group of oligarchs and civil servants does not care about us and our personal life at all, so they are unlikely to bother giving out smartphones to citizens. By the way, some people live in such a wilderness that there is no cellular communication there - will they start giving out satellite phones?
              In general, as many authors have correctly noted here, the bulk of citizens is not of interest to either the government or the special services, so one should not exaggerate their interest in our "secrets."
        2. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara April 4 2021 13: 04
          +1
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          Show your smartphone, receipt for the application
          And if the phone is a push-button?

          Symbian buttons are a way out. But that's if you only want a connection
        3. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx April 4 2021 13: 23
          +5
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          And if the phone is a push-button?

          I bought a Philips Xenium X623 phone in 2014. I have not changed the battery yet, it keeps it for a week. The telephone should not be a luxury or an attribute of belonging to the clan of the haves. It is a means of communication. Turns out of these "always in touch" - at any time of the year with a smartphone in hand. Pontorez.
          1. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter April 4 2021 13: 26
            +1
            Likewise, the £ 20 button maker, which is also called the "hoard" phone here, is thrown away by drug dealers at the end of the working day.
            1. DED_peer_DED
              DED_peer_DED April 4 2021 14: 58
              +6
              Quote: Bolt Cutter
              in person, the same is a button operator

              ONLI 5G communication will gradually be introduced. And that's all ... to your button players.
              They will find you (plural), I'll manage :)
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter April 4 2021 14: 59
                0
                Pocket with radio fabric. If you really need to.
                1. DED_peer_DED
                  DED_peer_DED April 4 2021 15: 00
                  +3
                  Pocket with radio fabric

                  And the grounding pin in one place :)
                  1. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter April 4 2021 15: 10
                    -4
                    Wouldn't hurt some, yeah wassat For those who are afraid of their own phone yes
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter April 4 2021 22: 45
                0
                Quote: DED_peer_DED
                ONLI 5G communication will gradually be introduced. And that's all ... to your button players.
                They will find you (plural), I'll manage :)

                RF 5Zh does not threaten, we have a three-ruble note and barely a soul in our body.
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 April 4 2021 12: 20
        +5
        Show your smartphone

        Let's go back to the good old push-button ... Although - they'll be banned too.
        1. polinet
          polinet April 4 2021 13: 50
          +4
          why forbid, they will simply stop working over time
      3. Hagen
        Hagen April 4 2021 12: 22
        +2
        Quote: BlackMokona
        Then he will simply add the necessary tracking software that will be prohibited from deleting on pain of criminal prosecution.

        Buy yourself a simple push-button telephone and live in peace. You can try, as before, to walk without a phone at all. On the other hand, who needs you to keep an eye on you? All these fears, as a rule, belong to those who have something to hide in their activities. Just watching what you do in solitude is expensive and no one is interested if it does not arouse attention from the point of view of state security.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona April 4 2021 12: 26
          -2
          You just don't think beyond the first step.
          The state now has such a cool system, and it allows the implementation of extremely interesting and hitherto impossible laws.
          For example, for any objectionable statement about any power, you will immediately be fined 5 base units. Your car pleased in the hole, cursed at the officials in charge of the road and bang a fine.
          The possibilities are incredible.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen April 4 2021 12: 34
            +8
            Quote: BlackMokona
            For example, for any objectionable statement about any power, you will immediately be fined 5 base units.

            Venediktov swears almost on the air, a bunch of journalists are still not using foul language on Putin, and everyone is safe and sound. It seems to me that there is not even a distance from your attempt to "think beyond the first step" to paranoia. It is, of course, necessary to think that somewhere around the corner danger can be expected, but one cannot bring any business to the point of absurdity.
            1. Blackmokona
              Blackmokona April 4 2021 12: 36
              -3
              Only every year the nuts are tightened further and further. I remember how blocking in the internet was driven with shouts exclusively against pedophiles and extremists. And now the sovereign Internet and talk about disconnecting from everything foreign is in vogue.
            2. for
              for April 4 2021 15: 21
              +4
              Quote: Hagen
              Venediktov swears almost on the air, a bunch of journalists are still not using foul language on Putin, and everyone is safe and sound.

              So they scold with permission, or maybe with instructions. There must be some kind of mischief in the country, the Duma has discredited itself.
          2. 210ox
            210ox April 4 2021 12: 41
            +2
            We are all under the hood at Mul ..., ugh-Matrix ?? wassat Who do we need, ordinary hard workers? Only to your loved ones.
            1. Revival
              Revival April 4 2021 14: 23
              +3
              Well, try to write something about Putin, let's see who is interested, only close ones?
              1. 210ox
                210ox April 4 2021 14: 26
                +2
                Well read my comments. They also concern Putin. Anyone interested? Yes, there are millions like me.
                1. Revival
                  Revival April 4 2021 14: 29
                  +5
                  I read about criminal cases, like, repost, picture, etc.
                  1. ZAV69
                    ZAV69 April 4 2021 16: 07
                    +1
                    Quote: Revival
                    I read about criminal cases, like, repost, picture, etc.

                    So in those cases about Putin it was not.
                    And if you open the comments on lenta.ru there, some who have been commenting on themselves for 300 years have already scored a minimum in aggregate.
                    1. Revival
                      Revival April 4 2021 21: 07
                      0
                      It was, there and about it, it was
              2. for
                for April 4 2021 15: 25
                +2
                Quote: Revival
                Well, try to write something about Putin

                Read on the tape \ rambler. It's time to shoot who writes both the moderates and the owners.
        2. Vol4ara
          Vol4ara April 4 2021 13: 07
          +3
          Quote: Hagen
          Quote: BlackMokona
          Then he will simply add the necessary tracking software that will be prohibited from deleting on pain of criminal prosecution.

          Buy yourself a simple push-button telephone and live in peace. You can try, as before, to walk without a phone at all. On the other hand, who needs you to keep an eye on you? All these fears, as a rule, belong to those who have something to hide in their activities. Just watching what you do in solitude is expensive and no one is interested if it does not arouse attention from the point of view of state security.

          And if the state introduces a law on the right of the first night for mayors and governors. Then I will immediately become a criminal and this system will immediately show interest in me. This is certainly exaggerated, but the message is clear - our government can turn a citizen into a criminal at the snap of a finger. Overcontrol is bad for society
          1. Hagen
            Hagen April 4 2021 19: 39
            0
            Quote: Vol4ara
            our government can turn a citizen into a criminal at the snap of a finger. Overcontrol is bad for society

            Any movement of progress has two sides, positive and negative. A man invented a knife, and he can get food with it, or he can kill his own kind. He invented a car - a useful thing for the economy, but also a possible weapon for murder in an accident. So it is with digital technology. They can provide serious help to a person, and can be turned to harm him. The conclusions are simple. 1. progress cannot be stopped, otherwise you will find yourself on the margins of technological development. 2. so that the state does not entrust the first night to just anyone, we must strive to influence this state. At least legibility in the choice of the person whom you empower (in elections).
            1. Vol4ara
              Vol4ara April 4 2021 20: 53
              0
              Quote: Hagen
              Quote: Vol4ara
              our government can turn a citizen into a criminal at the snap of a finger. Overcontrol is bad for society

              Any movement of progress has two sides, positive and negative. A man invented a knife, and he can get food with it, or he can kill his own kind. He invented a car - a useful thing for the economy, but also a possible weapon for murder in an accident. So it is with digital technology. They can provide serious help to a person, and can be turned to harm him. The conclusions are simple. 1. progress cannot be stopped, otherwise you will find yourself on the margins of technological development. 2. so that the state does not entrust the first night to just anyone, we must strive to influence this state. At least legibility in the choice of the person whom you empower (in elections).

              When you elect the chairman of a state farm, you can control the elections, you roughly know the level of support for a particular candidate, and the vote count is a matter of twenty minutes. When the elections are electronic and where is such a counting system, made as if on purpose so that the devil broke his leg. You can't influence anything
              1. Hagen
                Hagen April 5 2021 06: 52
                +1
                Quote: Vol4ara
                When you elect the chairman of the state farm, you can control the elections

                That is the problem, that we sometimes adore the state, like a bull at the gate, without analyzing the methods and not correlating with our capabilities. Because we don't think. So you think that you can elect the chairman of the state farm without even assuming that the director of the state farm is appointed "from above". But you can really choose your local Duma, your single-mandate person in the State Duma. And .... here we again find ourselves in your "credo". You have assured yourself that
                Quote: Vol4ara
                such a counting system, made as if on purpose for the devil to break his leg

                and continue to believe ..... Better to know. request Understand, study, take part as an observer (at least once in your life, to gain personal experience) and, perhaps, you will be able to change or understand something on an empirical level.
        3. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx April 4 2021 13: 27
          +5
          Quote: Hagen
          You can try, as before, to walk without a phone at all.

          Many, as before, already find it difficult to walk. There are situations when a phone is needed for your own safety (you never know what: call an ambulance or a taxi if you need to get home).
          1. Hagen
            Hagen April 4 2021 19: 44
            0
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Many people find it difficult to walk as before.

            You will have to pay for the comfort. You will either have to choose a device for an easier choice, or study the rules for using it, so that more "nimble" ones do not "bred" using the capabilities of the device that you do not understand.
        4. SVD68
          SVD68 April 4 2021 14: 59
          +3
          Quote: Hagen
          On the other hand, who needs you to keep an eye on you?

          On the third side, the Moscow authorities collected personal data from all those who sought medical help with fever. They promised that they would delete everything. But the leak of this data showed that they did not delete, they store it.
        5. paul3390
          paul3390 April 4 2021 15: 45
          +6
          On the other hand, who needs you to keep an eye on you?

          A strange statement for a society where your step is really being tracked by all and sundry .. Any electronic gadget - something about the owner but sends. Starting from a fitness tracker ending with a computer. Soon the iron will start knocking on the owner. The question is - why, if no one needs us?

          For example, before the idiotic and absolutely illegal ban on transporting legal weapons in the St. Petersburg metro - for a long time the watchmen wrote down in a notebook if I passed with a barrel. Like license number, time, where I'm going .. For questions from what the hell and on what basis such infa is collected - they answered like an indication from above .. And then rrrrraz - and banned ..

          On any watch they try to write down your passport data .. Even where it would seem to be fucking unnecessary. What for? Nobody needs us, do we?

          And so on and so forth...
      4. ccsr
        ccsr April 4 2021 12: 34
        +1
        Quote: BlackMokona
        All this is constantly getting cheaper in dollars. Terabytes are getting cheaper, recognition systems are getting better, everyone already wears a smartphone with all the necessary sensors for tracking, cameras, microphones and so on.

        In Soviet times, an absolutely precise methodology was developed for determining the potential and capabilities of any country, based on thousands of different basic parameters of its life, which included the population size, and natural resources, and advanced technologies, and the armed forces, etc.
        But in order to accurately really determine the capabilities of any country, only 200 parameters were taken, which were quite enough to obtain these data. Yes, and these data were in abundance, which is why it was enough to assess only 20 basic parameters in order to have a reliable idea of ​​the capabilities of any country, which is what some structures were doing.
        The same is with the data that will supposedly be collected about a large mass of people - this is an absolutely pointless matter if it is enough to track certain categories of citizens in a particular country in order to predict the further behavior of their politicians.
        That is why the digital GULAG does not threaten the overwhelming majority of citizens - they simply are not of interest when making decisions of a political, military or economic plan.
      5. rocket757
        rocket757 April 4 2021 12: 58
        +3
        And what, you have something to "invite" to the department?
        So the majority are not worried that they are law-abiding citizens, just the same most of all are not with us.
      6. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED April 4 2021 14: 47
        +3
        Quote: BlackMokona
        All this is constantly getting cheaper in dollars. Terabytes are getting cheaper, recognition systems are getting better, everyone already wears a smartphone with all the necessary sensors for tracking, cameras, microphones and so on.

        And notice how purposefully and persistently ideas are promoted and a massive digitalization of everything that is possible is being introduced.
        Digitalization and the widespread introduction of AI into all spheres of state activity took on the dimensions of some kind of madness. The state has decided and is trying to convince all of us that digitalization will be able to solve ALL problems facing the state and society.
        We will eat it, drink it, get up with it, sleep and love it.
  3. knn54
    knn54 April 4 2021 12: 19
    +4
    Digital ... fascism, even Nazism. It all started with the Star of David labeling. Today, technology has gone a long way.
    "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
    PS I recommend the story "Watchbird" by Robert Sheckley /
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov April 4 2021 13: 08
      +1
      Quote: knn54
      It all started with the Star of David marking.

      Quite right! The Zionists are awake!

      It is impossible to hide from the Eye of the All-Seeing, especially after the start of widespread use and use of receivers, read transmitters, permanently connected to the Smart TV Network. Even those that do not have built-in video cameras use their speakers as microphones 24 hours a day.
      AI has long been able to filter the necessary information by the given keywords of any language existing in the world, and more recently it has learned to distinguish the expression of surprise or admiration in an obscene form from the usual foul language. wassat
      1. ccsr
        ccsr April 4 2021 17: 06
        +2
        Quote: A. Privalov
        Quite right! The Zionists are awake!

        So that's who we propagate the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" - I congratulate you Privalov, you have finally revealed your rebellious soul to us.
  4. paul3390
    paul3390 April 4 2021 12: 19
    +12
    The main thing here is to create a tool. And who will use it and how is an open question. You can also hammer in a nail with a hammer, and buy goods on the skull .. While the machines in the subway were tuned in to a patch, the trip was worth it. But as soon as they gave the tool for setting any price in the form of tokens, it started like a donkey from the mountain .. So with this question ..

    But the same bourgeois state, where everything is geared towards making personal profit - for example, I don’t believe in a penny. It is worth creating this very type of digital state - they will twirl it so that sparks fly out of their eyes .. Fuck the bourgeoisie will miss the opportunity to press the people once again. Well - and of course all this data will be available to everyone who pays money. There is no question of any personal secret and there is no question when the loot rustles.
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED April 4 2021 15: 16
      +3
      Fuck the bourgeoisie will miss the opportunity to press the people once again.

      For me, in particular, I really like to watch a kind of get-together between the Russian bourgeoisie (according to GPS positioning, Russian) and the Western ones. Such a family business.
      Both are bourgeois, but the locals convince us that they are patriotic bourgeois and earn their money, patriotically driving the Western bourgeoisie our common natural resources. At the same time, they also scold the latter for trying to get into their pockets, for their locals, for their own stash.
      And for this, we all of them (local bourgeois) should not only separate from the rest of the bourgeoisie, but also understand, and even patriotically respect and love.
  5. SVD68
    SVD68 April 4 2021 12: 32
    +10
    As a person who was sick in Moscow in May 2020 and, accordingly, came under digital control, I have a completely opposite opinion.
    The data collection system strives and will always strive to collect as much data as possible about all citizens. And the authorities will always use this data for their own purposes. One of the goals of the authorities is to control people.

    This has been fully demonstrated by the Moscow authorities.
  6. Jaromir
    Jaromir April 4 2021 12: 34
    +6
    the realities of our time are such that digital security systems are indispensable if you want to live without fear

    And therefore, perhaps in the future, we will have full digital control.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx April 4 2021 14: 04
      +8
      ... the realities of our time are such that digital security systems are indispensable if you want to live without fear

      This is not the realities of our time, but an imposed opinion from the “beloved, elected government”. In the USSR, they did without smartphones, and the police did not always carry service weapons, not to mention rubber truncheons. Nosov was right with his Dunno.
      If you want to live without fear, then the punishment for the committed crime (offense) must correspond to its severity (fault) and all citizens, without exception, must be equal before the law. Society should not produce criminals and provide them with "advanced training" in "places not so remote." There should be no third conviction for serious crimes and crimes against a person at all. Complete confiscation of property, the origin of which has no official documents, a progressive scale of taxation for a second home (car) and much more will stop the unrestrained enrichment "for future use".
      And digital control is necessary for the state, whose economic structure is based on speculative processes and the right to appoint “on behalf of and on behalf of”, only in order to strengthen repressive measures and intimidate the population. That is why we are now and then poked before our eyes with sanctions, "if you want it to be like ..." and other fairy tales about our "everything."
  7. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart April 4 2021 12: 37
    +7
    Data will be traded, through this system they will monitor politically unreliable, all this will be used as outdoor surveillance. In the future, I do not rule out the establishment of one or another form of digital certification, because even though people live decently in our megalopolises, the development of computing power has not been canceled, at some point it will become profitable - like the massive installation of cameras and systems that then send out fines in batches - and it will instantly appear accordingly.
    Did you come to the rally? Cross the road in the wrong place? Enter the store without a mask? Have you lit a cigarette or drank where you shouldn't? Etc., etc. - get your personal penalty to the mail.
    Here you write that
    None of the customers I know (law enforcement agencies, infrastructure facilities, enterprises with a large number of employees) imply the use of modern information technologies in the field of security for surveillance

    Well, damn it, so they will tell you)) All these systems will naturally, including for the purposes of operational-search activities, over time will tend to maximum networking, maximum centralization (albeit a nodal one) and closure to some kind of computing capacities - data banks. Simply because the alternative to this would be a lot of bureaucratic and transport fuss. And at this stage they will do whatever they want with the data - from above it will always be possible to gloss over the notorious "this is for your safety."
  8. bk0010
    bk0010 April 4 2021 12: 52
    +7
    But the statistics on offenses in places with installed video surveillance systems show that after the installation of these systems, the need for them ... disappears!
    Rave! The employee's son was beaten under the cameras, everything was filmed, no one looked for the attackers, and they didn't care about the cameras. Please provide a link to such statistics.
    Solely for tracking and preventing incidents.
    Yes? Then let everyone be given access to this data and cameras. We will also track and prevent incidents.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 April 4 2021 16: 02
      +4
      Quote: bk0010
      Yes? Then let everyone be given access to this data and cameras. We will also track and prevent incidents

      Dreaming! On the internet there is a map of the placement of cameras in Moscow, and so the cameras are placed very selectively - they are not on the houses where large financial and state functionaries live.
  9. nikvic46
    nikvic46 April 4 2021 12: 53
    +5
    The stronger the cybersecurity, the more fraudsters, and where do they only get addresses from. Sometimes they act cunningly towards retirees. Suddenly, every retiree is entitled to as many as several thousand rubles. But in order to receive them, you need to open your bank card. Moreover, this nonsense is published in central sites. When boys and girls were asked about their attitude to smart speakers, they, as one, called these speakers `` living creatures. '' The time is not far off when they will kiss the robot.
    1. DED_peer_DED
      DED_peer_DED April 4 2021 15: 28
      +3
      Quote: nikvic46
      these columns

      These are 24/7 spies sent to our house.
      Installing software on computers and laptops for people, I always root out all sorts of Hello, Ondrive, Cortana, Alice, search for Bing, system updates, install ad and social media cutters, cleaners of history and temporary files, plugins and cutters in browsers, block and block access to computers to sites for collecting telemetry and user activity ...
      I am nasty.
  10. Alexander Manakov
    Alexander Manakov April 4 2021 13: 02
    +4
    The article is informative with examples. but BigBrother is already at our home, in a computer, in a pocket, in a car.
  11. polinet
    polinet April 4 2021 13: 53
    -2
    Quote: BlackMokona
    You just don't think beyond the first step.
    The state now has such a cool system, and it allows the implementation of extremely interesting and hitherto impossible laws.
    For example, for any objectionable statement about any power, you will immediately be fined 5 base units. Your car pleased in the hole, cursed at the officials in charge of the road and bang a fine.
    The possibilities are incredible.


    - do not violate, is it really difficult. Thank God, almost everyone learned how to pay for the fare, and wash their hands after using the toilet too. And against the authorities - the situation is the same everywhere, go to the White House in Omerik - they will pack not quickly, but very quickly, or in the Arabs, for example, or China. There you can stay without a head at all
    1. DMi
      DMi April 4 2021 20: 59
      +3
      Exactly. Don't break. Yellow pants - three times KU. Otherwise, they are transkluked. Don't break it. Smart people write laws.
      It seems Danelia just looked into the future for an hour.
  12. polinet
    polinet April 4 2021 13: 53
    0
    Quote: Alexander Manakov
    The article is informative with examples. but BigBrother is already at our home, in a computer, in a pocket, in a car.

    and for a long time
  13. Antidote
    Antidote April 4 2021 14: 03
    +6
    Tell me, if all these cameras are not used for surveillance, then why are they not installed on the houses of "respected people" like Sobyanin? Maybe they know or suspect something?
  14. Virus-free crown
    Virus-free crown April 4 2021 14: 04
    -2
    Well, if everything that the Author wrote is TRUE - then this is "cutting the dough" at the state level !!! am laughing

    And why then in Moscow there are cameras on every corner of the house ??? !!! Since they just stupidly "saw the loot" ?! )))

    The Moscow mayor's office tells us that "yes, everything is under control")))))))))))))) and how much money was thrown into these very cameras ... I think all pensioners can it was bold to raise the pension to at least 30 thousand rubles a month
  15. nnm
    nnm April 4 2021 14: 27
    +5
    Digital data is like an automaton. You can stand with him to defend the Motherland, or you can arrange genocide. So with the data of the network - you can develop a person, make him better, stop crimes, move science forward, and you can follow what he would not dare to think outside the general line of the party, so that the whole model of behavior would be in the paradigm - "buy more "," vote without thinking. Is there any hope that the first option will be chosen? I think not. For the temptation is too great for the authorities and corporations to simply shape and control the behavioral model of society. They have too strong an instrument of influence in their hands. And the citizen / society has too little leverage in this matter.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP April 4 2021 14: 38
      0
      I cannot but correct you: not a machine gun, but a detachment of armed people. A machine gun is a personal opportunity to protect yourself. Detachment - the use of force by a person against another person.
      1. nnm
        nnm April 4 2021 14: 47
        +1
        An interesting philosophical question. But the detachment possesses both individual and collective consciousness and will, and the automaton is soulless and neutral, as well as a set of zeros and ones in any program. The question is precisely the neutrality of the subject.
        1. Sancho_SP
          Sancho_SP April 4 2021 15: 57
          +2
          Means of observation, unlike weapons, personally you or I will not be able to use for self-defense. Unlike an assault rifle (weapons in general).

          So the unacceptable problem is not the cameras themselves, but the possibility of using them to exert pressure on citizens, violating the privacy of their personal lives, and so on.

          Purely legally, with the advent of new technological means, it became possible to automatically collect the information about citizens, the collection of which previously required grounds and court approval.
  16. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP April 4 2021 14: 37
    +5
    Freedom cannot be sacrificed for security. The presence of means of surveillance makes their use for the evil of the citizen a matter of time.
  17. Gips
    Gips April 4 2021 14: 39
    +3
    What does the GULag have to do with it?
    Just in case, the Gulag is an element of the dictatorship of the proletariat. What does the labor camp system have to do with the modern bourgeois form of control? This digital form of control is the result of technology development and serves to retain power, and not to force people to work for the benefit of the whole society.

    Conceptual thinking, as it were, in elementary school, is being formed.
  18. Lister
    Lister April 4 2021 15: 08
    +4
    we are all under the hood of Big Brother

    And there is. We are all under the hood. The further we go, the more we become hostages of the global "digital slavery".
  19. AB
    AB April 4 2021 17: 54
    +3
    his digital footprint will simply be lost in terabytes of information on servers

    Oh well. Another storyteller was found ...
  20. iouris
    iouris April 4 2021 18: 02
    -1
    All these systems are not clear for whom they work, because the hardware and software are developed "out there". The "ruling" sit behind a guarded fence, while the rest walk along the perimeter.
  21. DMi
    DMi April 4 2021 20: 52
    +1
    You can build a house with an ax, or you can kill. It all depends on the motives. Digital technology is neither bad nor good, it is just a tool. But knowing the psychology and morality of a person, as well as the peculiarities of those in power under capitalism, it is absolutely obvious that the "digital technology" tool will be used to control / track / a new type of slavery. We are living out the last years of relative "freedom"
  22. GEOID
    GEOID April 4 2021 20: 59
    -1
    Strange article. And without that there are enough witnesses.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder April 5 2021 09: 21
      -1
      And without that there are enough witnesses.
      adopt foreign experience laughing , is it better to have a friend than a stranger !?
  23. Fedor Severny
    Fedor Severny April 4 2021 21: 07
    +3
    The systems of technocratic management of society are rapidly improving and requests from the authorities and "masters" of life are fueling inhuman social construction. One way or another, everything goes to a choice: a digital concentration camp, a spiritual transformation of the individual. The ram virus game clearly showed the trend and strength of the shepherds. All funds will be applied. It is necessary to prepare and draw conclusions in advance.
  24. ruivit1988
    ruivit1988 April 5 2021 05: 54
    0
    I agree with the author of the article, the devil is not terrible as his little one. There will be no digital gulag camp, but these cameras have poisoned the life of the crooks, that's for sure. I myself live in Iskitim and I remember how it used to be and how it is now. The fact that thanks to them has become safer is for sure. Well, as for all sorts of dissidents there, so dissenters that such boobies or something. They do not understand what is happening in the circle if they think differently. So we need to take measures, again, everything is there for this. The same darknet and the same binkoits. So the skynet will not rage calmly for everyone, the terminators are frozen.
  25. Olfred
    Olfred April 5 2021 06: 28
    +1
    does not imply the use of modern security information technology for surveillance.

    it's just for now)
    Recently, a law "on the installation of domestic software" on smartphones and other gadgets was passed - is this not surveillance, moreover, programs based on google? This is especially funny)
    And the databases will be stored on servers assembled on a non-domestic element base, and where there will be no guarantee that there will be no leaks if banks' databases are sold to the left and to the right on the same darknet wink hi
    z.y correct if i'm wrong
  26. alekc75
    alekc75 April 5 2021 06: 43
    +1
    the author can work better for the police ??? they already have a whole army !!!!
    1. Intruder
      Intruder April 5 2021 09: 19
      -1
      the author can the police work better ??
      and not only the police ... now the apotheosis of a different structure even gave them epaulettes and red uniforms ...
  27. Intruder
    Intruder April 5 2021 08: 58
    -1
    Impunity gives rise to permissiveness. And unfortunately, the realities of our time are such that digital security systems are indispensable if you want to live without fear.
    well then a collar with 20 grams of explosives around the neck from the age of 14, and here it is the world of a bright future! ??? laughing wink And human rights at his birth, this is an invention of any alternative liberalism and foreign accomplices of the decaying West, only gloomy and hardcore decisions, because humans themselves cannot take care of themselves ... winked
    1. Dmt
      April 5 2021 10: 09
      +1
      Quote: Intruder
      Well then, a collar with 20 grams of BB around the neck from the age of 14, and here it is, the world of a Bright Future !?

      As I understand it, only such a measure will stop you? Watch smaller films.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder April 5 2021 11: 01
        0
        As I understand it, only such a measure will stop you? Watch smaller films.
        Judge by yourself, or watch only films or whatever, there: cinematography !? wink Duc, I will take on the difficult role of an educator of world literature in narrow circles of VO, if you have not read it (perhaps this is my personal assumption and I have the right to be wrong ... laughing ), I advise you to read: "1984" by George Orwell !!!
        1. Dmt
          April 5 2021 11: 07
          +1
          Quote: Intruder
          I will take on the difficult role of enlightener of world literature in narrow circles of VO

          You wrote about the collar with explosives. This is about a judgment on its own ... And if you are to educate, then you need to start with "We".
          And with modernity that Zamyatin, that Huxley, that Orwell or Wells with Bradburry and Heinlein have little in common. Philosophical horror stories no more.
          1. Intruder
            Intruder April 5 2021 11: 12
            0
            And with modernity that Zamyatin, that Huxley, that Orwell or Wells with Bradburry and Heinlein have little in common. Philosophical horror stories no more.
            Apparently, we read different books in childhood with you and perceived what was written there in different ways ... as well as films ... ???
            1. Dmt
              April 5 2021 11: 18
              +1
              Quote: Intruder
              Apparently, we read different books in childhood with you and perceived what was written there in different ways.

              No matter how funny, but perception and understanding is a thing ... subjective (understand the joke, my compliments). As a child, he worried - he grew up and calmed down. Parallels are visible - I do not deny, but only parallels. To such an exaggeration of the signs of communism, fascism, liberalism and the culture of consumption that are indicated in these dystopias will not reach.
              1. Intruder
                Intruder April 5 2021 13: 42
                0
                No matter how funny, but perception and understanding is a thing ... subjective (understand the joke, my compliments).
                I agree with you and understand !!! drinks
                To such a hypertrophy of the signs of communism, fascism, liberalism and the culture of consumption that are indicated in these dystopias will not reach.
                Well, this is just a "wrong side-reflection" of latent moods in mass public institutions and other systems, and only, but also a small "good fellows - a lesson", so for the future! wink
  28. Dmt
    April 5 2021 10: 12
    +1
    Judging by the comments, the majority of VO visitors are recidivists in hiding, who are wanted by all special services and governments. The conclusion is one in my opinion from the article - live honestly yourself and you have nothing to fear.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder April 5 2021 11: 04
      0
      Judging by the comments, the majority of VO visitors are recidivists in hiding, who are wanted by all special services and governments. The conclusion is one in my opinion from the article - live honestly yourself and you have nothing to fear.
      If no one is following you, this is not your merit, and ours is not a revision ... winked Paranoids (with a healthy feeling of suspicion and an analytical mindset) are more alive than everyone else .., because they do not climb mountains head-on, they slowly and surely bypass them ...! fellow
    2. bk0010
      bk0010 April 5 2021 21: 58
      0
      Quote: DMT
      Judging by the comments, most of the VO visitors are recidivists in hiding, who are wanted by all the special services and governments.
      If we are repeat offenders, then what should we call those who follow us for our money, but do not spread or tell anything about themselves? If they really want openness, then let it be mutual, we will make sure that they and officials do not abuse their capabilities.
  29. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 April 5 2021 11: 50
    -2
    As the director of an enterprise specializing in the production and installation of security systems, I read such articles with a laugh. In order to carry out surveillance of anyone, it is necessary to transfer the video surveillance system to digital format, and provide it with an Internet connection. Nothing else is required on the spot to create a "digital gulag".
    Of course, the owners of systems do not have such a task, and it is too tough for them. However, specialized systems work perfectly with digital blocks of video data, and the author of the article will never be invited to edit them. Judging by the article, he doesn't have enough considerations for such a job)
    Even funnier is that any network-connected video capture system is an open window not only for our analysts, but also for analysts around the world. Anyone can collect video data and analyze it. I am convinced that Moscow's "Safe City" is supplying petabytes of data to at least the NSA. And the Europeans. And in general, everyone who wants and has sufficient digital power ...
    1. Intruder
      Intruder April 5 2021 13: 49
      0
      I am convinced that Moscow's "Safe City" is supplying petabytes of data to at least the NSA.
      The "echelon" of these "knights of the world behind the scenes" is replenished every year with new data centers and they have solutions from the Top-500 supercomputer systems in the world because of this, prices for some hardware are confidently held in the corporate segment, and now quantum computing is on the way, for about a couple of more years and now, you give it to the masses ... laughing ), and how many distributed clusters are plowing - 24/7, with edge computing accelerators, many do not even know about the true purpose of these systems and what, they "count" !!!
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 April 5 2021 14: 37
        -2
        Quantum computers are bluff, don't worry about them. This is just plain nonsense. The rest, described by you, is also, in principle, nonsense. When American sanctions knocked down our super company seven years ago, I think that it did not die) So there is something here too. But Bitcoin is a very powerful thing. No supercomputer compares to the world's distributed super-fast computing system fueled by human greed. There is not even a single computer, but there are calculations of indescribable power. Generally it is brilliant
        1. Intruder
          Intruder April 5 2021 18: 41
          0
          Quantum computers are bluff, don't worry about them.
          a bold statement, however !? Maybe the "theory of qubits" is not to our liking, so everywhere there should be alternatives wink , or there are other thoughts ... but IBM, with comrades in the supercomputer shop ... don't think so, and even the Russian RAS, too ... laughing
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 April 6 2021 08: 54
            -1
            Due to the fact that modern physics is dead, and no one in the world is engaged in it, there is a great need for pseudoscientific chatter, under which money can be written off. The chatter should be promising, abstruse, and, so to speak, generally recognized, so that all the thieves who have come "into science" to replace the physicists expelled from there, sing in one tune. They say "tremendous successes have been achieved." It's just about! Almost completely! Almost done! Give literally another billion or two ...
            Does it look like anything?) In general, no qubits, like no "quantum physics" seriously exist. This is all just plain nonsense) Or do you think that we have no thieves in the RAS? Hehe ...
  30. yehat2
    yehat2 April 5 2021 16: 35
    +1
    the problem is that surveillance systems are not used to protect citizens, but, on the contrary, to persecute them. A typical example is the actions of the Moscow police, which, with the existing thousands of unsolved criminal cases, cannot even find a stolen car, but now finishes hundreds of citizens found near the rallies. The same applies to the HOA. They hang surveillance systems for guards, but they are used to prosecute debtors or violators of the rules arbitrarily established by the housing office.
    And they could, for example, track down all the dog owners, whose animals every day grit the entrance of the house.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder April 5 2021 18: 45
      0
      the problem is that surveillance systems are not used to protect citizens, but, on the contrary, to persecute them.
      it also happens, because it has long been said that: "with good intentions - the road to Hell ...." !?
      And they could, for example, track down all the dog owners, whose animals every day grit the entrance of the house.

      Duc, natural fertilizer for plants and flowers on the lawn and near the front fellow Why don't you love these creatures of God (dogs and their owners) so much, or who has bitten !?
      1. yehat2
        yehat2 April 5 2021 19: 50
        0
        nowhere to step and smells awful